LOK SABHA DEBATES

11.04.2017 MKG-SH Uncorrected / Not for Publication

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LOK SABHA DEBATES

(Part I -- Proceedings with Questions and Answers)

The House met at Eleven of the Clock.

Tuesday, April 11, 2017/Chaitra 21, 1939 (Saka)


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LOK SABHA DEBATES

PART I – QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

Tuesday, April 11, 2017/Chaitra 21, 1939 (Saka)

CONTENTS PAGES

RE: AWARDING DEATH SENTENCE BY 1-17

A PAKISTANI MILITARY COURT TO

SHRI KULBHUSHAN JADHAV

ORAL ANSWERS TO STARRED QUESTIONS 17A-32

(S.Q. 521 TO 522)

WRITTEN ANSWERS TO STARRED QUESTIONS 33-50

(S.Q. 523 TO 540)

WRITTEN ANSWERS TO UNSTARRED QUESTIONS 51-280

(U.S.Q. 5981 TO 6210)

For Proceedings other than Questions and Answers, please see Part II.


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LOK SABHA DEBATES

(Part II - Proceedings other than Questions and Answers)

Tuesday, April 11, 2017/ Chaitra 21, 1939 (Saka)


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LOK SABHA DEBATES

PART II –PROCEEDINGS OTHER THAN QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

Tuesday, April, 11, 2017/ Chaitra 21, 1939 (Saka)

CONTENTS PAGES

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE 281-294

COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC ACCOUNTS 295

69th

to 73rd

Reports

COMMITTEE ON ABSENCE OF MEMBERS FROM 296

SITTINGS OF THE HOUSE

8th

Report

COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT ASSURANCES 297

48th

to 58th

Reports

JOINT COMMITTEE ON OFFICES OF PROFIT 298

20th

Report

STANDING COMMITTEE ON INFORMATION 298

TECHNOLOGY

30th

Report

STANDING COMMITTEE ON INFORMATION 298-99

TECHNOLOGY

Statements

STANDING COMMITTEE ON LABOUR 300

Action Taken Statements

STANDING COMMITTEE ON SOCIAL JUSTICE 301

AND EMPOWERMENT

40th

to 42nd

Reports

STANDING COMMITTEE ON HOME AFFAIRS 302

203rd

Report

STATEMENT RE: STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION 302

OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN 27TH

REPORT OF

STANDING COMMITTEE ON SOCIAL JUSITCE

AND EMPOWERMENT -LAID

Shri Thaawar Chand Gehlot


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STATEMENT RE: STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION 303

OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN 95TH

AND 98TH

REPORTS

OF STANDING COMMITTEE ON HEALTH AND

FAMILY WELFARE -LAID

Shri Shripad Yesso Naik

STATEMENT RE: STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF 303

RECOMMENDATIONS IN 23RD

REPORT OF STANDING

COMMITTEE ON RURAL DEVELOPMENT-LAID

Shri Ramesh Jigajinagi

STATEMENTS RE: STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF 304-05

RECOMMENDATIONS IN 11TH

, 23RD

AND 20th

REPORTS

OF STANDING COMMITTEE ON CHEMICALS AND

FERTILIZERS -LAID

Shri Mansukh L. Mandaviya

RULING RE: NOTICES OF ADJOURNMENT MOTION 306

SPECIAL MENTIONS 307-13

317-45

STATEMENT RE: AWARDING DEATH SENTENCE BY 314-16

A PAKISTANI MILITARY COURT TO

SHRI KULBHUSHAN JADHAV

Shrimati Sushma Swaraj

MATTERS UNDER RULE 377 – LAID 346-72

Kunwar Pushpendra Singh Chandel 347

Shri Prahlad Singh Patel 348

Shri Naranbhai Kachhadiya 349

Shri Pralhad Joshi 350

Shri Chhedi Paswan 351

Shri Ramdas C. Tadas 352

Shri Janak Ram 353

Shri Rajendra Agrawal 354

Shri Mukesh Rajput 355

Shri Vishnu Dayal Ram 356


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Shri Ram Prasad Sarmah 357

Dr. Udit Raj 358

Shri Ravindra Kumar Pandey 359

Shri M. I. Shanavas 360

Shri B. N. Chandrappa 361

Shri R. K. Bharati Mohan 362

Shri K. Ashok Kumar 363-64

Shrimati Ratna De (Nag) 365

Dr. Prabhas Kumar Singh 366

Shri Arvind Sawant 367

Shri Ram Mohan Naidu Kinjarapu 367A

Shri B. Vinod Kumar 368

Shrimati Kothapalli Geetha 369

Shri P. Karunakaran 370

Shri Sirajuddin Ajmal 370A

Shri Kaushalendra Kumar 371

Shri N. K. Premachandran 372

HUMAN IMMUNODEFICIENCY VIRUS AND 373-454

ACQUIRED IMMUNE DEFICIENCY SYNDROME

(PREVENTION AND CONTROL) BILL

Motion for Consideration 373

Shri Jagat Prakash Nadda 373-77

444-50

Shri Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury 378-85

Dr. Kirit P. Solanki 386-90

Dr. K. Kamaraj 391-97

Dr. Ratna De Nag 398-402


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Shri Ladu Kishore Swain 403-05

Dr. Ravindra Babu 406-08

Dr. Boora Narsaiah Goud 409-12

Shri Varaprasad Rao Velagapalli 413-16

Shri P.K. Biju 417-20

Dr. Heena Vijaykumar Gavit 420A-26

Shri Jai Prakash Narayan Yadav 427-28

Dr. Shrikant Eknath Shinde 429-31

Shri Kaushlaendra Kumar 432-33

Shri Asaduddin Owaisi 434

Dr. Yashwant Singh 435-36

Dr. Manoj Rajoria 437-38

Shri Bhagwant Mann 439

Shri Badruddin Ajmal 440-40A

Shri N.K. Premachandran 441-43

… 451-52

Motion for Consideration – Adopted 453

Consideration of Clauses 453-54

Motion to pass – Adopted 454

COLLECTION OF STATISTICS (AMENDMENT ) BILL 455-98

(Contd. – Concluded)

Shri Jugal Kishore Sharma 455-58

Shri Thota Narasimham 459-60

Dr. A. Sampath 461-67

Shri G. Hari 468-69

Shri Varaprasad Rao Velagapalli 470-72

Shri Bidyut Baran Mahato 473-75

Shri Kaushalendra Kumar 476


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Shrimati Anju Bala 477-78

Shri Asaduddin Owaisi 479-81

Shri Thupstan Chhwang 482-85

Shri N.K. Premachandran 486-89

Shri D.V. Sadananda Gowda 490-97

Motion for Consideration – Adopted 497

Consideration of Clauses 497-98

Motion to pass – Adopted 498

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HON. SPEAKER: Question Hour.

… (Interruptions)

HON. SPEAKER: I will allow you.

… (Interruptions)

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مرتبہ ہم نے کوشش کی، لیکن انہوں نے کائونسلر 13سہی ہے کہ کہ بنانا سروس نہیں دی۔ پاکستان کی ملٹری عدالت ایک عدالت نہیں ہےبل

عدالت ہے جہاں بنا کسی ایویڈینس کے بنا کیسی ثبوت کے انہوں نے فیصلہ دیا ہے۔ یقینا ہمارے ہندوستان کے شہری کو دھوکہ دے کر ایران سے پکڑ کر الئے اور ساری دنیا کے سامنے اس طرح کا ناٹک کر رہے

ہیں۔میں سرکار سے اس بات کا مطالبہ کرتا ہوں کہ اپ کے پاس بہت

بڑی طاقت ہے، اپ کے پاس انفلیوینس ہے، لیکن اپ انفلیوینس کا استعمال کیوں نہیں کر رہے ہیں؟ میں یہاں سیاست نہیں کر رہا ہوں۔ اپ کو معلوم تھا کہ اس طرح کا فیصلہ انے واال ہے، اس لئے یہ بے حد ضروری ہے ، کہ کیا سرکار ہندوستانی شہری کو بچانے کی کوشش کرے گی یا نہیںکیونکہ وه ایک با عزت شہری ہے اور اس کی جان بچانا ہم سب کی ذمہ

داری ہے۔محترمہ، میں پھر سے مطالبہ کرتا ہوں کہ اس کی جان بچائے

جائے۔ سرکار اپنا انفلیوینس استعمال کرے، چاہے وه انٹر نیشنل انفلیوینس ہو اور سرکار اسے واپس النے کی پوری کوشش کرے۔۔۔۔ شکریہ

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PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): Madam, I join the other

Members in condemning the order by a Military Court in Pakistan

about the death sentence on Shri Kulbhushan Jadhav. Since the

Pakistan Government did not and was not able to prosecute him in a

normal Court, his trial was held secretly in a Military Court. So far,

Pakistan has not produced any proof of his involvement in any

espionage activity. In fact, it is said that he was arrested from Tehran

which has no connection to Pakistan. Shri Kulbhushan Jadhav was a

former Navy Commando who had retired and was having a legitimate

business in Iran. Had he been involved in espionage activities, he

would not have had an Indian Passport that he was carrying. We

condemn this attitude of the Pakistan authorities. We are happy that the

Foreign Secretary Dr. S. Jaishankar has issued a demarche to Pakistan

and has totally criticized this very wrong step by the Pakistani

authorities. This shows that Pakistan which harbours so many terrorists

like Hafiz Saeed, the Jamiat-ulama-i-Hind and Masood Azhar who was

released from India, is taking a vindictive action against Indians. The

Indian Government has held back the release of some Pakistani


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prisoners on this ground. The Government must realize that the whole

country is behind it in criticizing this. We condemn this.

SHRI BAIJAYANT JAY PANDA (KENDRAPARA): Madam, this

news of death sentence on Shri Kulbhushan Jadhav in Pakistan in

secret, without following the norms of justice, is yet another example of

that country’s shameful behaviour. This is an issue on which the whole

House stands united. This is not a question as to whether any of us is a

part of the Government or the Opposition. We are all Indians. We must

recognize that Pakistan is not a normal country. It is not a normal

country because the foreign policy of that country is not run by the

elected Government. It is run by their military establishment

particularly when it comes to India. This is a deliberate provocation by

their military establishment to continue to destabilize relations with us.

(d1/1115/kmr/pc)

In this, we must all stand united and that our dealings with

Pakistan must be on multiple fronts. We must respond to this

provocation with strength; we must separately deal with their elected

government and their civil society; and we must take up the case not

just of Kulbhushan Yadav but all such injustices in the World Court

and in places like the United Nations.

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DR. A. SAMPATH (ATTINGAL): Madam Speaker, we all stand by

the side of Shri Kulbhushan Jadhav. The whole nation is with him. This

is a question of our nation’s pride. An innocent citizen has been

kidnapped from another country by another country flouting all norms

of natural justice. If there is any justice at all, I would like to know

what kind of justice the Government of Pakistan provides to its citizens

and to the citizens of other nations. We all believe in the rule of law. I

am not criticizing anybody but I wonder whether Pakistan is being run


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by terrorists or by ISI or by the elected government. This is not only the

sad plight of an Indian citizen in Pakistan but this is an unlawful act

being committed by a foreign government on the Government of India.

It is an unlawful act against the citizens of India. On behalf of CPI(M),

I would express our sincere solidarity to Shri Kulbhushan Yadav.

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Shri P.K. Biju and Shrimati P.K. Shreemathi Teacher are

permitted to associate with the issue raised by Dr. A. Sampath.

SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN (KOLLAM): Thank you, Madam

Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to speak on this very important

issue.

Madam, Mr. Kulbhushan Yadav was arrested on March 3, 2016.

From then and till 31st of March, 2017, 13 attempts were made by the

Government of India to get consular access to Shri Jadhav. In spite of

the international conventions being very clear and specific in this

regard, even consular access to a person who has been taken into

custody has not been provided. It is a violation of the principles of

natural justice. I strongly condemn the unlawful, unjust, illegal,

arbitrary act of the Field General Court Martial in Pakistan. Madam,

you may kindly see that Shri Jadhav has been tried under Section 59 of

the Pakistan Army Act of 1952 and under Section 3 of the Official

Secrets Act of 1923. Even under the provisions of these Acts the

accused has the right of defence but even the right to contest his case

has been denied to him. I fully support the version and the response of


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the Government of India that this is a premeditated murder by the

Pakistan Army. The entire nation should stand united to condemn this.

(e1/1120/gm-mz)

For last one year, he was in custody. I am not making any

criticism, but unfortunately we have not been able to bring the matter

into the public domain so as to build up public consensus and concern

so that the issue can be brought up in the international fora. …

(Interruptions)

SHRI SIRAJUDDIN AJMAL (BARPETA): Hon. Speaker Madam, the

Government of Pakistan should get a very clear message that there are

125 crore Kulbhushans in this country and we are not going to take this

lying down because this is going to be the beginning of their oppressive

measures. Pakistan has been carrying out many terrorist activities and

this is the first time we have got official proof. I think we should nail

them.

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DR. M. THAMBIDURAI (KARUR): Hon. Speaker Madam, today we

have read the news that the military court in Pakistan has sentenced

Indian national Kulbhushan Jadhav to death for alleged involvement in

spying and other activities. This is because Pakistan has become a

terrorist State. We know very well that India is suffering a lot because

of terrorist activities instigated by Pakistan. We want some kind of

peaceful atmosphere and we are trying for it, but they are misusing that

and indulging in terrorist activities as a result of which our people are

suffering. Even our Indian citizens who are living there are not in safe

condition. Kulbhushan Jadhav is an Indian citizen. On some ground,

they arrested him and gave him death sentence. This is unethical and

incorrect. I am condemning this step of Pakistan. I would request the

Government of India to take necessary action and see that this kind of

incident shall not take place again. I would request our Embassy and

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SHRI KONDA VISHWESHWAR REDDY (CHEVELLA): Hon.

Speaker Madam, the death sentence on Kulbhushan Jadhav is illegal,

arbitrary and senseless. On this issue, the entire nation stands in


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solidarity behind the Government. He was not a spy; he was kidnapped

and was sentenced to death. In many countries, politicians play to the

gallery. But in Pakistan, even the judiciary seems to be playing to the

gallery. Which gallery are they playing to? There are so many issues in

Pakistan, like hunger and malnutrition. I do not think even the

Pakistani galleries will be impressed by this sentence. How did we

treat Ajmal Kasab? We gave him every possible legal remedy before

the final sentence. On one side, we have Ajmal Kasab’s case, on the

other side, we have an arbitrary and senseless sentence that was handed

over to Kulbhushan Jadhav. We all stand in solidarity; the nation

stands in solidarity.

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DR. SHASHI THAROOR (THIRUVANANTHAPURAM): Thank you

very much, Madam. I will keep it very short.

I obviously associate myself strongly with what all our

colleagues have said and I would not repeat those points but I have one

additional point. The unity of this House and the unity of this country

must be translated internationally. The fact is that we prefer not to

internationalise our problems with Pakistan but this is one time when

what Pakistan is doing is not only an assault on India; it is also an

assault on the bonds of international law and international conventions

that affect everybody.

There are certain countries that finance and arm the Pakistani

military. Those countries must be told by us that if this could be done

to an Indian today, it can be done to one of their nationals tomorrow.

The extremely important thing for us is to uphold the principles. This

gentleman was denied consular access which is a basic right thirteen

times. The Geneva Conventions have been violated by Pakistan if they

had done this under laws of war even though we are not at war with

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This is an extremely serious matter of global resonance. I hope

that we will convey our support to the Government as well as urge the

Government to take this up in world forums as well.

Thank you, Madam Speaker.

SHRI E.T. MOHAMMAD BASHEER (PONNANI): Thank you,

Madam. I fully endorse the views expressed by learned friends.

This House should wholeheartedly condemn the attitude of

Pakistan. I express my solidarity with the Government of India in

tackling such issues.

Thank you.

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SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN (KOLLAM): Madam, the House has

to pass a Resolution condemning the issue. … (Interruptions)

HON. SPEAKER: She will come to the House.


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SHRI JYOTIRADITYA M. SCINDIA (GUNA): Madam, we should

pass a Resolution… (Interruptions)

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record.

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DR. A. SAMPATH (ATTINGAL): Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker, we all know that the Media is the Fourth Estate

and is one of the pillars of our democracy. The question that my

learned friend and I have asked is very important. I would like to know

whether the number of attacks on journalists are on the rise in recent

years. Here, in the reply the hon. Minister has given the State and

Union Territory-wise cases registered (CR) and persons arrested (PAR)

for attack on media persons under Sections 325, 326, 326A and 326B

of IPC. What about Sections 302 of IPC and 307 of IPC? The learned

Members of this House who have a background of legal profession

very well know about Sections 302 and 307 of IPC. They have not been

mentioned in the reply. They are very serious crimes under Indian

Penal Code.

Madam Speaker, this is a very important issue. This data pertains

to 2014 and 2015. What about the data of 2016? Can the Minister give

the latest data for the calendar year 2016? It is shameful that crimes

have not been reported by certain States. I am referring to Sl. No. 29 in

the answer given by the hon. Minister about CR and PAR of a

particular State. I am not mentioning the name of that State. But, if the

law and order is a State subject and attacks on the journalists is on the


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rise, how can the Government of India allow a particular State to not to

report crimes against the journalists and the Media? We are saying that

the Media and the journalists have the freedom. They have the Right to

Freedom of Speech and Expression under Article 19 (1) (A) of the

Constitution of India. We are actually limiting the scope of the Press

freedom. … (Interruptions)

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(j1/1140/rv-rc)

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SHRI P.R. SUNDARAM (NAMAKKAL): Madam, the safety of media

persons who are covering sensitive news is a matter of concern. Hon.

Minister had informed this House last year that the State Governments

are responsible for protecting journalists. But the work of journalists is

not limited within the States. They work across the country.

Therefore, I would like to know whether the Government will

come forward to bring any legislation for giving protection to

journalists from attacks by unscrupulous elements. If so, the details

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thereof and if not, what kind of alternative actions have been taken by

the Government in this regard.

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SHRI BAIJAYANT JAY PANDA (KENDRAPARA): Madam, though

the number of attacks on journalists has gone up and down, it is

worrisome. Even 41, which is the latest, puts us in the category of

countries which are in a different category of non-democracies and

unstable countries.

We get two types of standard responses from the Union

Government. One is that this is a State subject. Of course, it is a State

subject. Another is, as the hon. Minister has said, that the existing laws

are adequate for the protection of citizens including journalists. But the

reality is that these attacks are happening and there is a demand for new

laws. For example, recently there was an attack on doctors. That was

in Mumbai but it happens everywhere. It happens in my State and


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everybody’s State. So, there has been demand for laws for special

categories like doctors and journalists because the current laws

probably are not adequate.

(k1/1145/snb-my)

My question to the hon. Minister is this. Will the hon. Minister

modernising some of these laws, or at least the rules by which the laws

are implemented? Just yesterday we saw that a court summon was

issued on Whatsapp which is a messaging app, which means the court

themselves today are looking at modernising their processing. Will the

hon. Minister commit to reviewing these laws and modernising at least

the rules, if not the laws?

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(Q. 522)

SHRI KOTHA PRABHAKAR REDDY (MEDAK): Madam Speaker, I

would like to know whether the Government is aware that nearly 46

lakhs people are dependent on fishery cultivation. The Government of

Telengana has taken up many fishery development projects in the State.

Various welfare schemes are being introduced for the benefit of

fishermen. What are the steps being taken by Government of India for

the benefit of fishermen and also what incentives are sops are being

provided for the fishermen and the details thereof?

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SHRI KOTHA PRABHAKAR REDDY (MEDAK): Madam Speaker,

as of now, the Government of Telengana is buying the seeds from the

neighbouring States and supplying to the fishermen. I would like to

know if the Central Government would come forward to bear the cost

of seeds and provide financial assistance to the fishermen.

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SHRI DUSHYANT SINGH (JHALAWAR-BARAN): Madam

Speaker, I would like to ask a specific question to the hon. Minister.

Our Prime Minister has talked about the White Revolution and

also the Blue Revolution to increase fish production in our country.

What is the policy of the Union Government to encourage fisheries to

increase the Blue Revolution in not only one State but with respect to

all the States of India? How are they promoting that? Is it by way of

having technological expertise from countries like Israel or countries

where there is such a cultivation of fisheries which will help our

country to grow forward?

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SHRI K.C. VENUGOPAL (ALAPPUZHA): Madam, the Government

of India is assisting the State Governments for construction of fishing

harbours. In my constituency, there are two fishing harbours. One is in

Thottappally and the other one is in Azhikkal, Kayamkulum. They

have been constructed with the assistance of the Central Government.

But due to design issue, both the fishing harbours are not functioning

properly. One more new fishing harbour at Arthungal is under

construction. That harbour is also facing the same issue.

Madam, the Government of Kerala has conducted a study in this

connection by IIT, Chennai. They have given a detailed report

correcting this design. After receiving the report, the Government of

Kerala has sent a request to the Government of India that they should

support the State by giving an additional amount for proper functioning

of the three harbours at Thottappally, Azhikkal and Arthungal. They

are in my constituency. This is not only the issue of my constituency.

This is a common issue for all of us.

The Government of India has now cut the allocation from 80 per

cent to 50 per cent. I have already met the hon. Minister twice in this

regard. He is a very good Minister.

My plea to the hon. Minister is to consider my request, as far as

the fishing harbours in my constituency are concerned.


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SHRI SURESH C. ANGADI (BELAGAVI): Madam Speaker, thank

you. The State of Karnataka is facing drought continuously for the last

three years. Hon. Prime Minister, Shri Narendra Modi ji, has

introduced the Fasal Bima Yojana. The Government of Karnataka has

appointed the insurance companies. But these insurance companies are

refusing to pay the claims made by the farmers on technical grounds.

So, I would request the hon. Minister to direct the State

Government to settle the issues of farmers. … (Interruptions)

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… (Interruptions)

HON. SPEAKER: The Question relates to fisheries. If the hon.

Minister wants to reply, then it is alright.

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PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE

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HON. SPEAKER: Now Papers to be laid on the Table.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND

FAMILY WELFARE (SHRIMATI ANUPRIYA PATEL): Madam, on

behalf of Shri Jagat Prakash Nadda, I beg to lay on the Table:-

(1) (i) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) of the

International Institute for Population Sciences, Mumbai, for the

year 2015-2016, alongwith Audited Accounts.

(ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi and English versions) by the

Government of the working of the International Institute for

Population Sciences, Mumbai, for the year 2015-2016.

(2) Statement (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons for delay in

laying the papers mentioned at (1) above.

(3) A copy of the Statement (Hindi and English versions) explaining

reasons for not laying the Annual Reports and Audited Accounts of the

following institutions within the stipulated period of nine months after

the close of the accounting year 2015-2016:-

(i) All India Institute of Medical Sciences, New Delhi.

(ii) Indian Council of Medical Research, New Delhi.

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THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF AYURVEDA,

YOGA AND NATUROPATHY, UNANI, SIDDHA AND

HOMOEOPATHY (AYUSH) (SHRI SHRIPAD YESSO NAIK):

Madam, I beg to lay on the Table a copy of the Statement (Hindi and

English versions) explaining reasons for not laying the Annual Reports

and Audited Accounts of the Indian Medicines Pharmaceutical


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Corporation Limited, Almora, for the year 2015-2016 within the

stipulated period of nine months after the close of the accounting year.

THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI

PRAKASH JAVADEKAR): Madam, on behalf of Shri Anil Madhav

Dave, I beg to lay on the Table:-


Central Zoo Authority, New Delhi, for the year 2015-2016,

alongwith Audited Accounts.


Government of the working of the Central Zoo Authority, New

Delhi, for the year 2015-2016.




C.P.R. Environmental Education Centre, Chennai, for the year

2015-2016, alongwith Audited Accounts.


Government C.P.R. Environmental Education Centre, Chennai,

for the year 2015-2016.

(4) (i) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) of

the Centre of Excellence for Medicinal Plants and Traditional

Knowledge, Bengaluru, for the year 2015-2016, alongwith

Audited Accounts.


Government of the working of the Centre of Excellence for


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Medicinal Plants and Traditional Knowledge, Bengaluru, for the

year 2015-2016.

(5) A copy of Notification No. S.O.388(E) (Hindi and English

versions) published in Gazette of India dated 10th February, 2017,

making certain amendments in Notification No. S.O.1174(E) dated 18th

July, 2007 issued under Sections 12 &13 of the Environment

(Protection) Act, 1986.


versions) published in Gazette of India dated 21st March, 2017,

regarding the appointment of non-official members to the National

Biodiversity Authority for a period of three years from the date of

publication of the notification issued under sub-section (1) & (4) of

Section 8 of the Biological Diversity Act, 2002.


National Biodiversity Authority, Chennai, for the year 2015-

2016, alongwith Audited Accounts.


Government of the working of the National Biodiversity

Authority, Chennai, for the year 2015-2016.



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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME

AFFAIRS (SHRI KIREN RIJIJU): I beg to lay on the Table:-

(1) A copy of the Border Security Force Deputy Inspector General

(Veterinary) Recruitment Rules, 2017 (Hindi and English versions)

published in Notification No. G.S.R.246(E) in Gazette of India dated

15th March, 2017 under sub-section (3) of Section 141 of the Border

Security Force Act, 1968.

(2) A copy of the Directorate General of Fire Services, Civil Defence

and Home Guards, Assistant Director General, Civil Defence

(Communication) Recruitment Rules, 2017 (Hindi and English

versions) published in Notification No. G.S.R.74 in weekly Gazette of

India dated 11th March, 2017 under article 309 of the Constitution of

India.


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BÉßEÉÊ−É +ÉÉè® ÉÊBÉEºÉÉxÉ BÉEãªÉÉhÉ àÉÆjÉÉãÉªÉ àÉå ®ÉVªÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ (gÉÉÒ ºÉÖn¶ÉÇxÉ £ÉMÉiÉ) : +É vªÉFÉ àÉ cÉänªÉÉ , àÉé

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JÉÉtÉ |ÉºÉÆºBÉE®hÉ =tÉÉäMÉ àÉÆjÉÉãÉªÉ àÉå ®ÉVªÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ (ºÉÉv´ÉÉÒ ÉÊxÉ®ÆVÉxÉ VªÉÉäÉÊiÉ): + ÉvªÉF É àÉ cÉänªÉÉ, àÉé

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àÉcÉ än ªÉÉ, à É é É Êx ÉàxÉÉ Êã ÉÉÊ JÉ iÉ { ÉjÉ ºÉ£ ÉÉ {É]ã É {É® ®JÉ iÉ É cÚÆ :--


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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ROAD

TRANSPORT AND HIGHWAYS, MINISTER OF STATE IN THE

MINISTRY OF SHIPPING AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE

MINISTRY OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS (SHRI

MANSUKH L. MANDAVIYA): I beg to lay on the Table:

(1) A copy of the Annual Accounts (Hindi and English versions) of the

National Institute of Pharmaceutical Education and Research, Raebareli,

for the year 2015-2016, together with Audit Report thereon.



(3) A copy each of the following papers (Hindi and English versions)

under sub-section (1) of Section 394 of the Companies Act, 2013:-

(a) (i) Statement regarding Review by the Government of the working

of the Hindustan Fertilizer Corporation Limited, New Delhi, for

the year 2015-2016.

(ii) Annual Report of the Hindustan Fertilizer Corporation Limited,

New Delhi, for the year 2015-2016, alongwith Audited Accounts

and comments of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon.

(b) (i) Statement regarding Review by the Government of the working

of the Fertilizer Corporation of India Limited, New Delhi, for the

year 2015-2016.

(ii) Annual Report of the Fertilizer Corporation of India Limited,

New Delhi, for the year 2015-2016, alongwith Audited Accounts

and comments of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon.


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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND

FAMILY WELFARE (SHRIMATI ANUPRIYA PATEL): I beg to lay

on the Table:-

(1) (i) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) of

the Population Research Centre (Utkal University),

Bhubaneswar, for the year 2015-2016, alongwith Audited

Accounts.


Government of the working of the Population Research Centre

(Utkal University), Bhubaneswar, for the year 2015-2016.



THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF CONSUMER

AFFAIRS, FOOD AND PUBLIC DISTRIBUTION (SHRI C.R.

CHAUDHARY): I beg to lay on the Table:-


Food Corporation of India, New Delhi, for the year 2015-2016,

alongwith Audited Accounts.


Government of the working of the Food Corporation of India,

New Delhi, for the year 2015-2016.




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(3) A copy of the Memorandum of Understanding (Hindi and

English versions) between the Food Corporation of India and the

Department of Food and Public Distribution, Ministry of Consumer

Affairs, Food and Public Distribution, for the year 2016-2017.


versions) published in Gazette of India dated 30th March, 2017, making

certain amendments in Notification No. S.O.3577(E) dated 29th

November, 2016 under sub-section (2) of Section 37 of the National

Food Security Act, 2013.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE

(DR. SUBHASH RAMRAO BHAMRE): I beg to lay on the Table:-


Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses, New Delhi, for the

year 2015-2016, alongwith Audited Accounts.


Government of the working of the Institute for Defence Studies

and Analyses, New Delhi, for the year 2015-2016.



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COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC ACCOUNTS

69th

to 73rd

Reports

PROF. K.V. THOMAS (ERNAKULAM): I beg to present the

following Reports (Hindi and English versions) of the Public Accounts

Committee (2016-17):-

(1) 69th Report on the subject 'Suburban Train Services in Indian

Railways'.

(2) 70th

Report on the subject 'Commercial Publicity in Indian

Railways'.

(3) 71st

Report on Action Taken by Government on observations/

recommendations contained in 40th Report (16

th Lok Sabha) on

'Management of Satellite capacity on DTH Service by

Department of Space'.

(4) 72nd



th Lok Sabha) on

'Employees Provident Fund Organisation'.

(5) 73rd



th Lok Sabha) on

'Avoidable Expenditure on Service Tax by Insurance Regulatory

Development Authority (IRDA)'.

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COMMITTEE ON ABSENCE OF MEMBERS FROM THE

SITTINGS OF THE HOUSE

8th

Report

DR. RATNA DE (NAG) (HOOGHLY): I beg to present the Eighth

Report (Hindi and English versions) of the Committee on Absence of

Members from the Sittings of the House.

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bÉì. ºÉiªÉ{ÉÉãÉ ÉËºÉc (¤ÉÉMÉ{ÉiÉ) : + ÉvªÉF É àÉcÉän ªÉÉ , à Éé ã ÉÉ £É BÉE ä {ÉnÉå ºÉ Æ¤ÉÆvÉÉÒ ºÉ ÆªÉ Ö BÉDiÉ ºÉ ÉÊàÉ ÉÊiÉ B É EÉ

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STANDING COMMITTEE ON INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY

38th

Report

SHRI ANURAG SINGH THAKUR (HAMIRPUR): I beg to present

the Thirty-eighth Report (Hindi and English versions) of the Standing

Committee on Information Technology (2016-17) on the subject 'Issues

related to quality of services and reported call drops' relating to the

Ministry of Communications (Department of Telecommunications).

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STANDING COMMITTEE ON INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY

Statements

SHRI ANURAG SINGH THAKUR (HAMIRPUR): I beg to lay the

following Statements (Hindi and English versions) showing further

Action Taken by the Government on the following Reports of the

Standing Committee on Information Technology:-

(1) Twenty-seventh Report on Action Taken by the Government on

the Observations/Recommendations of the Committee contained

Comment: Fd by p1


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in their Ninth Report (Sixteenth Lok Sabha) on 'Revival of Indian

Telephone Industries (ITI) Limited' relating to Ministry of

Communications (Department of Telecommunications).

(2) Twenty-eighth Report on Action Taken by the Government on

the Observations/Recommendations of the Committee contained

in their Tenth Report (Sixteenth Lok Sabha) on 'IT Induction and

Modernization in the Department of Posts' relating to the

Ministry of Communications (Department of Posts).

(3) Twenty-ninth Report on Action Taken by the Government on the

Observations/Recommendations of the Committee contained in

their Eleventh Report (Sixteenth Lok Sabha) on 'Business

Development and Marketing Strategy in the Department of Posts'

relating to the Ministry of Communications (Department of

Posts).

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gÉàÉ ºÉÆ¤ÉÆvÉÉÒ ºlÉÉªÉÉÒ ºÉÉÊàÉÉÊiÉ BÉEÉÒ-MÉ<Ç-BÉEÉ®Ç´ÉÉ<Ç ÉÊ´É´É®hÉ

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2. ´ÉºjÉ àÉÆj É ÉãÉªÉ BÉEÉÒ +Éx É Ön ÉxÉÉ å BÉEÉ Ò àÉ ÉÆMÉ Éå (2016-17) BÉEä ¤ÉÉ®ä à Éå º ÉÉÊàÉ ÉÊiÉ BÉ Eä 18´Éå |É ÉÊiÉ´Éänx É

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3. gÉàÉ +É Éè® ®ÉäV ÉMÉÉ® àÉÆjÉ Éã ÉªÉ BÉ EÉ Ò + ÉxÉÖn ÉxÉ Éå BÉ EÉÒ àÉ ÉÆMÉÉ å ( 2016-17) BÉ Eä ¤ÉÉ ®ä àÉå ºÉ É ÊàÉ ÉÊiÉ BÉ Eä

17´Éå |ÉÉÊiÉ ´É än xÉ (16´ÉÉÓ ãÉÉäB ÉE ºÉ £ÉÉ ) àÉå +ÉÆiÉ É Ì´É −] É Ê]{{É ÉÊhÉªÉÉå / ÉÊ ºÉ{É EÉÉ Ê®¶ÉÉ å {É® ºÉ®B ÉEÉ ® u É®É

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|É ºi ÉÖiÉ BÉ E®iÉÉ cÚÆ:

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2. VÉx ÉVÉÉiÉ ÉÒªÉ àÉÆj ÉÉãÉª É BÉEÉ Ò + ÉxÉÖn ÉxÉÉå B ÉEÉ Ò àÉ ÉÆMÉÉå (2 016-17) BÉEä ¤ÉÉ®ä àÉå 29´Éå |ÉÉ Êi É´ÉänxÉ {É®

BÉE ÉÒ-MÉ< Ç-B ÉEÉ ®Ç´ ÉÉ< Ç ºÉ Æ¤É Æv ÉÉÒ 4 1´ÉÉÆ |É ÉÊiÉ´Éänx É*

3. ºÉ ÉàÉÉ ÉÊVÉB É E x ªÉÉª É + ÉÉè® +ÉÉÊv É BÉ EÉÉÊ®iÉÉ àÉÆjÉ Éã ÉªÉ (ºÉ ÉàÉÉ ÉÊVÉ BÉ E x ªÉÉªÉ +É Éè® +ÉÉÊvÉ B ÉEÉÉÊ®iÉÉ ÉÊ´É£ ÉÉMÉ )

BÉE ä ‘®É −] ÅÉÒªÉ ÉÊ{ÉU½É ´ÉMÉÇ É Ê´É kÉ + ÉÉè® É Ê´ÉB ÉEÉ ºÉ ÉÊx ÉMÉà É (Ax É¤É ÉÒºÉ ÉÒA{É EbÉ Òº ÉÉÒ) BÉ E ä B ÉEÉª ÉÇBÉ E ®hÉ BÉEÉÒ

ºÉà ÉÉÒF ÉÉ’ ÉÊ´É −ÉªÉ BÉ Eä ¤ÉÉ®ä àÉ å 3 1´É å |ÉÉ ÊiÉ´ÉänxÉ {É ® B ÉEÉ Ò- MÉ< Ç- BÉEÉ®Ç´ÉÉ< Ç ºÉÆ¤ÉÆv ÉÉÒ 42 ´É ÉÆ |É É ÊiÉ´ÉänxÉ

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STANDING COMMITTEE ON HOME AFFAIRS

203rd

Report

DR. SATYA PAL SINGH (BAGHPAT): I beg to lay on the Table the

Two Hundred Third Report (Hindi and English versions) of the

Standing Committee on Home Affairs on Border Security: Capacity

Building and Institutions.

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STATEMENT RE: STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF

RECOMMENDATIONS IN 27th

REPORT OF STANDING

COMMITTEE ON SOCIAL JUSTICE AND

EMPOWERMENT – LAID

ºÉÉàÉÉÉÊVÉBÉE xªÉÉªÉ +ÉÉè® +ÉÉÊvÉBÉEÉÉÊ®iÉÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ (gÉÉÒ lÉÉ´É® SÉÆn MÉcãÉÉäiÉ) : +Év ªÉ FÉ à ÉcÉänªÉÉ , àÉé

ºÉ É àÉÉ ÉÊVÉB ÉE xª ÉÉªÉ + ÉÉè® +É ÉÊ vÉBÉ EÉÉÊ®iÉÉ ÉÊ´É £É ÉM É, ºÉ ÉàÉ ÉÉÊV ÉBÉ E xªÉÉª É +ÉÉè® + ÉÉÊvÉ BÉ EÉÉÊ®i ÉÉ àÉÆjÉÉ ã ÉªÉ º Éä

ºÉ Æ¤É ÆÉ Êv ÉiÉ +Éx É Ön ÉxÉ Éå BÉ EÉÒ àÉ ÉÆMÉ Éå (2016- 17) BÉEä ¤ÉÉ®ä à Éå ºÉ ÉàÉÉ ÉÊVÉB ÉE xªÉ ÉªÉ +É É è® +ÉÉ Êv ÉBÉ EÉÉÊ®iÉ É ºÉ Æ¤É ÆvÉ É Ò

ºl ÉÉªÉ ÉÒ ºÉ ÉÊàÉÉÊiÉ B É Eä 27´Éå |É ÉÊ iÉ´Éän xÉ à Éå +ÉÆiÉÉ Ì´É −] ÉÊ ºÉ {É EÉÉ Ê ®¶ÉÉ å B ÉEä BÉEÉªÉ ÉÇx ´É ªÉx É BÉ EÉ Ò ÉÎº l ÉÉÊi É BÉEä ¤É É ®ä àÉå

´ÉBÉDiÉBª É ºÉ £É É {É ]ã É {É® ®J É iÉÉ c ÚÆ*

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STATEMENT RE: STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION

OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN 95th

AND 98th

REPORTS

OF STANDING COMMITTEE ON HEALTH

AND FAMILY WELFARE – LAID

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF AYURVEDA,

YOGA AND NATUROPATHY, UNANI, SIDDHA AND

HOMOEOPATHY (AYUSH) (SHRI SHRIPAD YESSO NAIK): I beg

to lay a statement regarding the status of implementation of the

recommendations contained in the 95th and 98th Reports of the

Standing Committee on Health and Family Welfare on Demands for

Grants (2016-17) pertaining to Demand No. 5 of the Ministry of

AYUSH (Ayurveda, Yoga & Naturopathy, Unani, Siddha and

Homoeopathy).

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STATEMENT RE: STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION

OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN 23rd

REPORT

OF STANDING COMMITTEE ON

RURAL DEVELOPMENT – LAID

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF DRINKING

WATER AND SANITATION (SHRI RAMESH JIGAJINAGI): I beg

to lay a statement regarding the status of implementation of the

recommendations contained in the 23rd

Report of the Standing


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Committee on Rural Development on Demands for Grants (2016-17)

pertaining to the Ministry of Drinking Water and Sanitation.

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STATEMENTS RE: STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION

OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN 11th

, 23rd

AND 20th

REPORTS OF STANDING COMMITTEE ON

CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS – LAID

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ROAD

TRANSPORT AND HIGHWAYS, MINISTER OF STATE IN THE

MINISTRY OF SHIPPING AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE

MINISTRY OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS (SHRI

MANSUKH L. MANDAVIYA): I beg to lay the following statements

regarding:-

(1) the status of implementation of the recommendations contained

in the 11th

Report of the Standing Committee on Chemicals and

Fertilizers on 'Movement of Fertilizers and Monitoring System'

pertaining to the Department of Fertilizers, Ministry of

Chemicals and Fertilizers.


in the 23rd


Fertilizers on Demands for Grants (2016-17) pertaining to the

Department of Pharmaceuticals, Ministry of Chemicals and

Fertilizers.


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in the 20th


Fertilizers on 'Functioning of Autonomous Institutions - Central

Institute of Plastics Engineering and Technology (CIPET)'

pertaining to the Department of Chemicals and

Petrochemicals, Ministry of Chemicals and Fertilizers.

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RULING RE: NOTICES OF ADJOURNMENT MOTION

àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ : ºÉnºªÉ MÉhÉ , B ÉEÉ ªÉ Ç ºl ÉMÉx É BÉ Eä BÉÖ EU |É ºiÉ É´ É |ÉÉ{iÉ cÖA cé, à ÉMÉ® ÉÊBÉ EºÉÉ Ò £É ÉÒ

|É ºi ÉÉ´É BÉEÉä +Éx É Öà ÉÉÊiÉ x Éc ÉÓ n ÉÒ MÉ< Ç cè*

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SPECIAL MENTIONS

1214 hours

HON. SPEAKER: Now ‘Zero Hour.’

Shri Vinayak Bhaurao Raut ji.

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(q1/1215/raj/rcp)

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AÉÊ®ªÉÉ BÉ Eä {É Ú®ä ÉÊV ÉãÉä àÉ å 'àÉÆB É EÉ Ò {É EÉ Ò´É ®' {É EèãÉ É cÖ+ É É cè* ¤ÉÆ n® BÉEä àÉ Év ªÉ àÉ ºÉ ä ªÉc {É EÉÒ´É ® +ÉÉi ÉÉ cè + ÉÉ è®

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BÉE ä´Éã É B ÉEx É ÉÇ] BÉ E àÉ å < ºÉB ÉEÉ Ò VÉ ÉÆSÉ BÉ E®x Éä ´ÉÉã É ÉÒ ABÉD ºÉ{É ]Ç ]ÉÒàÉ cè + ÉÉè® ¤ÉÉ BÉ EÉÒ +É xªÉ É ÊVÉãÉä àÉå

ªÉc ºÉÖÉÊ´Év É É x Éc ÉÓ cè* + ÉÉ VÉ ÉË ºÉ vÉÖnÖMÉÇ ÉÊVÉ ãÉä à É å + ÉSUä bÉ ìB ÉD]ºÉÇ xÉc ÉÓ cé , VÉÉä £É ÉÒ b É ìBÉ D]ºÉ Ç cé, =xcÉÓ BÉEä

àÉÉv ªÉàÉ º Éä =x ÉB ÉEÉÒ < ãÉÉ VÉ B ÉEÉÒ VÉ ÉiÉÉ Ò cè, ãÉä ÉÊB ÉExÉ ÉÊnxÉ -| ÉÉÊiÉ- ÉÊnxÉ ¤ÉfÃiÉ ÉÒ cÖ< Ç < ºÉ ¤ÉÉÒ àÉÉ ®ÉÒ BÉ EÉä + ÉÉV É

®ÉäBÉ ExÉä BÉEÉÒ VÉ °ô ®iÉ cè*

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ºÉ ä É Ê Éx ÉiÉÉÒ B ÉE ®i ÉÉ cÚÆ ÉÊBÉ E iÉ Ö®ÆiÉ BÉ Eäxp ºÉ®B ÉEÉ® iÉ xÉª É bÉì BÉD] ®Éå B ÉEÉÒ ]ÉÒàÉ É Ë ºÉvÉ Ön ÖMÉ Ç ÉÊVÉã Éä àÉå £ ÉäVÉ BÉE®

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®ÉciÉ n å* vÉx ªÉ ´ÉÉn*

Comment: cd. by q1.h

Comment: Cd Shri Vinay Raut


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àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ : gÉÉÒ +ÉÉ Ê®´ÉÆn ºÉ É´ÉÆiÉ , gÉÉÒ |ÉiÉ É{É® É´É VÉÉvÉ ´É , gÉÉ Ò ®ÉVÉxÉ ÉÊ´ ÉSÉ É®ä +É É è® gÉÉÒ

+ÉÉv ÉãÉ®É´ É {ÉÉ] ÉÒãÉ ÉÊ¶É´ ÉÉ VÉ É Ò®É´É B ÉEÉä gÉ ÉÒ É Ê´É xÉ ÉªÉB ÉE £É É> ó®É´É ®É> óiÉ u É®É = ~É A MÉA ÉÊ´É −Éª É B ÉE ä ºÉÉ l É

ºÉ Æ¤É r B ÉE®x É ä BÉ EÉ Ò + É xÉÖàÉ ÉÊiÉ |É n ÉxÉ BÉEÉ Ò VÉ ÉiÉ ÉÒ c è*

SHRI S.P. MUDDAHANUME GOWDA (TUMKUR): Thank you,

Madam. The frequent changes in the pattern of examination and in the

syllabus in the UPSC examination has caused a great hardship to the

students, particularly from the rural background who used to take

examination in their regional languages as mentioned in the Eighth

Schedule.

For the last 10 years, six times, the pattern of examination and the

syllabus have changed. This has caused great a great hardship to the

children, the students who are particularly from the rural background

and who want to take examination in their regional languages. In fact,

the Government of India has also accepted this discrimination.

There are not only frequent changes; the changes are effected just

prior to the examination. Language is a very sensitive matter. It is a

sensitive subject in our country. The languages and linguistic rights of

the people of this country should be respected.

Since 2011, because of the frequent changes in syllabus, a lot of

hardship has been caused to the students. Now, at least, they should be

provided with two compensatory attempts to take the examination.

Hence, I urge upon the Government of India to allow two

compensatory examinations to these students who are deprived of

taking their examination because of the discrimination of the


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Government of India. At least, two compensatory examinations should

be allowed. Thank you, Madam.

HON. SPEAKER: Shri Rajeev Satav and Shri Rabindra Kumar Jena

are permitted to associate with the issue raised by Shri S.P.

Muddahanume Gowda.

gÉÉÒ ®ÉVÉxÉ ÉÊ´ÉSÉÉ®ä (~ÉhÉä) : + ÉvªÉF É àÉ cÉänªÉÉ, àÉé +É É {É BÉEä àÉ ÉvªÉàÉ ºÉ ä AB É E ¤ÉcÖiÉ c ÉÒ à Éci´É{ÉÚh ÉÇ ¤ÉÉ iÉ

ºÉ nxÉ àÉå ®J Éx ÉÉ S É ÉciÉÉ cÚÆ ÉÊBÉE àÉ ÖÆ¤É< Ç Uj É{ÉÉÊiÉ ÉÊ¶É ´É É VÉÉ Ò c´ÉÉ< Ç + ÉbÂb ä BÉ EÉ xÉ Éà É U jÉ{ÉÉÊiÉ ÉÊ¶É´ÉÉV ÉÉ Ò

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àÉÆbãÉ x Éä £ÉÉ Ò AB ÉE | É ºiÉÉ´É {ÉÉÉÊ®iÉ É ÊB ÉEªÉ É l ÉÉ +ÉÉ è® = ºÉ ä £É É®i É º É®BÉ EÉ® B ÉEä ÉÊ´ÉàÉ Éx É àÉÆjÉÉ ã ÉªÉ B ÉEÉ ä

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* DR. THOKCHOM MEINYA (INNER MANIPUR): Madam

Speaker, I rise to raise an important issue. On 3rd

August, 2015

Government of India and NSCN (IM) signed a ‘Framework

Agreement’. And it appears nobody knows the content of it. During

the recent election campaign in Manipur Hon. Prime Minister declared

in a public meeting at ‘Langjing’ that the territory of Manipur is not

mentioned in this Agreement.

Now Muivah says that the Agreement contains the integration of

Naga inhabited areas of Manipur, Assam and Arunachal Pradesh.

People of Manipur wants to know the truth. Even through RTI we are

not getting the details of this Framework Agreement.

Nagaland Tribe Council (NTC) has questioned the Chief Minister

of Nagaland for supporting the Agreement without knowing the details.

The demand of NSCN (IM) for Nagalim or Greater Nagaland is

unacceptable because it includes the territory of Manipur and other

states. Government of Manipur also wants to know the details of the

Agreement but no vail.

Hon. Prime Minister’s version about the Framework Agreement

is contradictory to that of Muivah’s. People are anxious to know the

actual content of the Agreement. I demand and urge upon the Hon.

Prime Minister to make a statement in Lok Sabha to clarify the position

in this session.

Thank you.

* Original in Manipuri


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I would like to inform the House that Shri Jadhav, who was doing

business in Iran, was kidnapped and taken to Pakistan. The exact

circumstances are unclear and can only be ascertained if we had

consular access to him. Accordingly, from the time his abduction was

known, our High Commission in Islamabad has continuously pressed

Pakistani authorities for such access. Although this is provided for by

international law and is deemed as norm in the international relations,

the Government of Pakistan did not permit this. That itself should tell

us much about the strength of the case against Shri Jadhav.

Hon. Members would also recall that a senior Pakistani leader

has himself expressed doubts about the adequacy of evidence in this

case.


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Madam Speaker, earlier this year, the Pakistan Government

sought our assistance to obtain evidence and other materials for this

investigation process. In doing so, they levelled ridiculous charges

against senior Indian officials, who had no connection to this issue.

Thereafter, they linked providing consular access to our acceptance of

their position. Nevertheless, in the hope that some forward movement

could be made, our response was constructive. We pointed out that

consular access to Shri Jadhav would be an essential prerequisite in

order to verify the facts and understand the circumstances of his

presence in Pakistan.

Madam Speaker, given this exchange, it is extraordinary that

yesterday a decision is suddenly announced awarding a death sentence

in this case when previous exchanges with India itself underlines the

insufficiency of evidence. To make matters even more absurd, three

hours after the death sentence was announced, the Indian High

Commission received an official communication from the Foreign

Ministry of Pakistan reiterating the Pakistani proposal for conditional

consular access. That tells us a lot about the farcical nature of the

alleged proceedings, which have led to an indefensible verdict against

an innocent kidnapped Indian citizen.

Madam Speaker, our position on this matter is very clear. There

is no evidence of any wrong doing by Shri Jadhav. He is the victim of a

plan that seeks to cast aspersions on India to deflect international

attention from Pakistan’s well-known record of sponsoring and

supporting terrorism. Under these circumstances, we have no choice


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but to regard this sentence, if carried out, as an act of premeditated

murder.

Madam Speaker, yesterday the Foreign Secretary conveyed our

position to the High Commission of Pakistan. Let me state clearly that

the Government and people of India would view very seriously the

possibility that an innocent Indian citizen is facing death sentence in

Pakistan without due process and in violation of basic norms of law,

justice and international relations. I would caution the Pakistan

Government to consider the consequences of our bilateral relationship,

if they proceed on this matter.

(t1/1230/san-pc)

Madam Speaker, I have been in touch with the parents of Shri

Jadhav and we are extending our fullest support to them in this difficult

situation. A strong sense of solidarity expressed by this House will give

them more courage and strength at this time.

Thank you.

(ends)

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SPECIAL MENTIONS

HON. SPEAKER: Adv. Joice George.

ADV. JOICE GEORGE (IDUKKI): Madam, since the introduction of

the National Rural Health Mission in the year 2005, it has been

contributing a lot for improving the public healthcare service to the

poor, the down-trodden and the marginalized people living in the

remote areas of our villages.

One of the reasons for the success of this project is the

commitment of the staff, doctors and nurses who are being engaged in

this programme, but unfortunately, they are not being paid properly.

Their salaries are meagre compared to the salaries of their counterparts

in the Central Government service and the State Government services.

A nurse, who is appointed under the National Health Mission, is getting

only Rs. 13,900 per month whereas her counterparts in the Central

Government service and the State Government services are getting

more than Rs. 50,000.

Again, the allotment of staff quarters is being reduced. Because

of this reduction in allotment, the staff strength is also coming down.

The persons, who are in service, are compelled to work more also. In

these circumstances, I urge upon the Government to improve the staff

strength and allotment of staff quarters especially to nurses and doctors

who are willing to work in the remote areas of our villages under the

National Health Mission. The Government should also pay attention to

improve the staff strength.


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I also urge upon the Government to increase the salaries of nurses

and doctors to bring them at par with the salaries of nurses and doctors

working in the same category in the Central Government service and

the State Government services.

Thank you.

HON. SPEAKER: Shri N.K. Premachandran, Shri P.K. Biju, Shri

Innocent, Shri M.B. Rajesh, Shri M.K. Raghavan, Shri Bhairon Prasad

Mishra, Shri Rabindra Kumar Jena and Shri Mullappally

Ramachandran are permitted to associate with the issue raised by Adv.

Joice George.

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Birla, Shri Sharad Tripathi, Kunwar Pushpendra Singh Chandel and

Shri Nishikant Dubey are permitted to associate with the issue raised by

Shri Ravindra Kumar Ray.

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HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri Bhairon Prasad Mishra, Kunwar

Pushpendra Singh Chandel and Shri Sharad Tripathi are permitted to

associate with the issue raised by Shri Bidyut Baran Mahato.


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HON. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Lakhan Lal Sahu, Kunwar

Pushpendra Singh Chandel, Shri Bhairon Prasad Mishra, Shri Om

Birla, Shri Sharad Tripathi and Dr. Mriganka Mahato are permitted to

associate with the issue raised by Shri Abhishek Singh.

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*SHRI DEEPAK (DEV) ADHIKARI (GHATAL): Thank you Sir for

giving me the opportunity to raise a matter of urgent public importance.

I will not take much of your time. The Kharagpur South Eastern

Railway Division is in my Ghatal Lok Sabha constituency. At

Balichak, in Debra block there is a need for a railway overbridge and

the work has been pending for the last four years. As the overbridge

has not been constructed, lakhs of people of the 6 blocks are facing

great difficulties. There are schools, collages, hospitals in the

surrounding areas and there is always huge traffic jam throughout the

day. Due to heavy traffic, even the patients are unable to reach

hospitals in time. Thus, through you Sir, and on behalf of all the

people of Debra block, I would like to request Hon. Railway Minister

that the railway overbridge should definitely be constructed there at the

earliest.

Thank you sir.

(ends).

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SHRI SANKAR PRASAD DATTA (TRIPURA WEST): Sir, Koyla

Sheher, Kamalpur, Khoai and Mohanpur are the four important towns

in the State of Tripura which are closely related to the plains of earlier

East West Bengal (now Bangladesh). These are the towns of bordering

area of Bangladesh. Earlier, people of that locality had a good

connection with greater part of Bengal and India but due to partition of

our countries in 1947, those four towns have been facing a problem of

transportation system.

As all of you know that Tripura is mainly a hilly State so

that for going from one place to another, motor vehicles are the

main transportation. Earlier, there were railway stations

nearby those four towns but all of them now are in

Bangladesh. After Independence, airports were built in Koyla

Sheher, Kamalpur and Khoai. Though, they have been in the

map of Civil Aviation Department yet those airports are not

functional. Earlier, water connection was there through rivers

but due to cut off by Bangladesh, these rivers are not useable

to carry passengers and goods.

Sir, Koyla Sheher is the headquarters of Unakoti District.

Unakoti is a renowned tourist place for sculptures based on

mythology. People from several places of our country have

been visiting this spot regularly which is only 6 kms from

Koyla Sheher town. Kamalpur and all towns of Dhalai District

are also renowned for its falls. In Sanaya Reang Para, export,


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import and border proposals are under consideration by both

the countries. Khoai town is the District Headquarters of

Khoai. It is a beautiful town having a cultural heritage.

Mohanpur is also an old town and an important sub-division of

West Tripura District to be reckoned with. People of those four

important districts and towns are eagerly waiting for a new

connection through railways.

I urge upon the Government of India to construct new

lines covering all the four districts and towns. I also urge upon

the Railway Ministry to start the survey work immediately

much before the start of the rainy season so that you could not

only meet the demands and expectations of the people of that

area but also allow people from other parts of the country to

get the scope of viewing the unique parts of incredible India in

the North-East Region of our country, particularly, in the State

of Tripura.

SHRI IDRIS ALI (BASIRHAT): àÉé +É ÉìxÉ ®ä¤ÉãÉ SÉÉÒ{ÉE ÉÊàÉÉÊx É º] ®, ºÉÖgÉ ÉÒ àÉàÉi ÉÉ ¤Éx ÉVÉÉ Ô

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ªÉcÉÆ xÉcÉÓ + ÉÉ {ÉÉiÉ É * Kindly do not disturb. It is very unfortunate that Central

Government is preparing a Cabinet Note recommending for closure of

several CPSUs of the country. NITI Aayog is preparing a roadmap for

ailing public sector undertakings and had earlier identified 26 sick

Central Public Sector Enterprises (CPSEs) for closure, of which seven

received Cabinet Note.


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These include Hindustan Cable, Tyre Corporation, HMT

Watches, Birds Jute and Export Limited (BJEL) and Central Inland

Water Transport Corporation.

(x1/1245/spr-gg)

It is unfortunate that Aayog has also identified 12 more CPSEs

for strategic sale where the Central Public Sector Enterprises are meant

to serve certain social causes.

Sir, 117 years old country's first pharmaceutical company, Bengal Chemicals

& Pharmaceuticals Works Ltd. is one of the prime CPSEs of the Government for

sale. Bridge and Roof Company Limited which has registered an average profit of

Rs 32.83 crore for the last six years is also in the target of strategic disinvestment.

Most surprisingly special steel plant unit, Alloy Steel Plant, the first Indian producer

which adds muscle to the "Make in India" campaign for indigenous production of

speciality products to meet Defence needs are also in the process of strategic sale plan

of the Government. The fact is that all these three are from West Bengal. .

Bridge & Roof Company (India) Ltd. is serving the construction industry for

more than 97 years with enviable track record in making profit for years together,

paying dividend to the Government of India. … (Interruptions)

Keeping in mind the necessity of the existence of Central Public Sector

Organisations for addressing social causes and tremendous scope of direct and

indirect employment dependency, I would request the Central Government, through

you, the Finance Ministry to withdraw the decision to close down the Public Sector

Organisations of the country and to think for revival and restructure by conducting a

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well-organised comprehensive research study to identify the areas of business, where

these units can successfully operate and grow.

I would like to speak for a minute in Bengali. I am from West Bengal where

Bengali is spoken.

* Lastly, I would like to say a few words in Bengali. Kindly allow.

Bengali in my own language. The land of West Bengal is a holy land

and I come from that state. Sri Sri Ramkrishna Paramhansa, Swami

Vivekananda, Sir Ashutosh Mukhopadhyay, Smt. Mamata Benerjee,

our Hon. Chief Minister were all born in Bengal. Therefore such a

state should never be deprived, this is my urge to the Central

Government.

Thank you.

(ends).

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HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri Rabindra Kumar Jena is allowed to

be associated with the issue raised by Shri Idris Ali.

SHRI SIRAJUDDIN AJMAL (BARPETA): Sir, incessant, unseasonal

torrential rains in Assam have created havoc and it has started floods

and erosion in many places of Assam. Brahmaputra and its tributaries

are overflowing causing floods all around Assam especially in places

like Kapili at Hojai, at Bokuguri in Kampur area besides at Guijan in

Tinsukia district. Disaster management of Assam has recorded Dhubri,

Dima Hasao, Kamrup and Tinsukia districts are maximum affected.

Several hundred houses have been washed off in Dhubri, Barpeta,

Dima Hasao, Tinsukia and Barak Valley districts. Many people have

died in Hailakandi, Karimganj and Abhayapuri also.

(y1/1250/sr-cs)

Embankment has not been restored. That is one of the reasons for

occurrence of floods every time. The AIUDF has been mentioning time

and again that the Central Government should allocate Rs.20,000 crore

for flood and erosion. Our Party also demands that flood and erosion

should be declared as a national calamity by the Government of India.

SHRI CH. MALLA REDDY (MALKAJGIRI): Hon. Deputy Speaker,

Sir, I thank you for giving me this opportunity to mention about a

matter of urgent public importance.

Ramannakunta Lake is one of the famous lakes in Secunderabad

Cantonment Board Area which comes under the jurisdiction of the

Ministry of Defence. This area also comes under my parliamentary

constituency, Malkajgiri. This lake is of 100 years old. It used to meet

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the needs of the residents. Once upon a time, the water from this Lake

was used by the residents for drinking purposes. But, unfortunately, the

upper colonies’ sewer lines were connected to this Lake by the Greater

Hyderabad Municipal Corporation due to which the entire Lake has

been contaminated and it has become a breeding ground for

mosquitoes. Thousands of residents of surrounding colonies are facing

a lot of health problems due to pollution of this Lake. It releases bad

smell. The Telangana State Pollution Control Board has also certified

that this Lake water has been totally contaminated and filled with toxic

chemicals. Not only this, but this Lake water is seeping into the earth

and the ground water in the surrounding areas has also been

contaminated.

Under the dynamic leadership of our hon. Chief Minister Shri K.

Chandrashekar Rao, the State Government of Telangana has started the

Mission Kakatiya to repair lakes situated in the State. The State is ready

to take up the repair work of Ramannakunta Lake but the same has

been held up for want of ‘No Objection Certificate’ from the Ministry

of Defence.

Therefore, I would request the Ministry of Defence to grant the

NoC immediately to enable the State Government to undertake repair

work of Ramannakunta Lake and to save the residents of the

surrounding areas from air and water pollution.

HON. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Kunwar Pushpendra Singh Chandel is

permitted to associate with the issue raised by Shri Ch. Malla Reddy.


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HON. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Rabindra Kumar Jena, Shri Om

Birla, Shri Bhairon Prasad Mishra, Shri Ram Prasad Sarmah, Shri Sunil

Kumar Singh, Kunwar Pushpendra Singh Chandel, Shri Sharad

Tripathi and Shri Dushyant Singh are permitted to associate with the

issue raised by Shri Nishikant Dubey.

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… (Interruptions)

DR. SHASHI THAROOR (THIRUVANANTHAPURAM): Mr.

Deputy Speaker, India has had an exemplary humanitarian record for

almost 3,000 years of accepting and welcoming refugees from all our

neighbouring countries and beyond. From the Arab world, from

Aghanistan, from Sri Lanka, from Tibet, from Bangladesh, we have

accepted refugees. It is to my mind a matter of grave concern that a

disinformation campaign is being spread against helpless and

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vulnerable people. There are about 1,25,000 of these people in this

country in desperate conditions who are deserving and getting help

from humanitarian agencies and people. The fact is that unverifiable

charges are being levied without the slightest shred of evidence against

these helpless and defenceless people. I have written to the Home

Minister requesting that we have a refugee and asylum law in this

country so we can legitimately examine the claims of people to refugee

status wherever they come from. Every democracy has this. India is

letting itself down if we are going to act on the basis of rumours and

press reports. I would urge the Government to take action. …

(Interruptions) Mr. Sampath agrees with me, Sir.

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri M.B. Rajesh, Shri P.K. Biju, Shri

Innocent, Shri N.K. Premachandran, Shri Mullapally Ramachandran,

Shri Sharad Tripathi and Adv. Joice George are permitted to associate

with the issue raised by Shri Shashi Tharoor.

DR. A. SAMPATH (ATTINGAL): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, regarding

the issue of the Rohingyan refugees our hon. External Affairs Minister

has given a statement on the floor of the House that the Government of

India has donated one million US dollars for the rehabilitation of

Rohingyan refugees. Among Rohingyan refugees are Hindus, Muslims

and Christians also. I have personally visited four camps of Rohingyan

refugees in Delhi itself. During last winter, three children died in one

camp alone. This is a refugee issue. The United Nations Commission

for Human Rights and also the UN Refugees Commission have taken

up this issue. This issue has to be solved bilaterally by the Government


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of India and the Government of Myanmar. There should not be any

misinformation campaign in this regard.

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: That is all. You have made your point.

Prof. Richard Hay is permitted to associate with the issue raised

by Dr. A. Sampath.

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HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Kunwar Pushpendra Singh Chandel and

Shri Bhairon Prasad Mishra are permitted to associate with the issue

raised by Shri Devendra Singh Bhole.

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HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Your name was not there in the list. Still,

I have given you a chance. So, you have to be very brief. …

(Interruptions) Please take your seat. … (Interruptions) It is difficult to

run the House. If you do not cooperate, I cannot call the other

Members. I have given you a chance and you are taking advantage.

… (Interruptions)

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri Sharad Tripathi, Shri Bhairon Prasad

Mishra and Kunwar Pushpendra Singh Chandel are permitted to

associate with the issue raised by Shri Sher Singh Ghubaya.

SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN (VADAKARA): Hon.

Deputy Speaker Sir, I would like to draw the attention of this august

House to the sad fact that many colleges across the country, and

especially in the State of Kerala, have become centres of corruption and

unethical practices. Huge capitation fees are being collected and many

of these institutions do not have good faculty or other essential facilities

for providing higher education. Centres of higher education in Kerala

have become centres of unrest. The reasons are manifold. Students

commit suicide and attempt to suicide has become the order of the day.

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There is total mess in the campuses. This has caused great anxiety and

panic in the minds of common people. Under the circumstances, I

would request the Ministry of Human Resource Development to come

out with a stringent regulation to control and regulate the higher

education institutions across the country.

HON. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri N.K. Premachandran, Shri P.K. Biju,

Shri Innocent and Adv. Joice George are permitted to associate with the

issue raised by Shri Mullappally Ramachandran.

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DR. J. JAYAVARDHAN (CHENNAI SOUTH): Hon. Deputy Speaker

Sir, due to the enactment of the amendment to the Indian Medical

Council Act 1956 and the Dentist Act 1948, a uniform entrance test has

become mandatory for the medical and dental college admissions at the

undergraduate and postgraduate levels for the coming academic

session. The NEET is out of tune with the prevailing socio-economic

condition and administrative requirements of Tamil Nadu. The rural

students will be put to a great disadvantage because they lack the

resources to get themselves enrolled in training institutions and access

material available to urban students. I urge upon the Government of


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India to approve the two Bills passed by Tamil Nadu Legislative

Assembly immediately and the hon. President’s assent may be

accorded to enable the State to continue with its existing fair and

transparent system of admission to government medical colleges and

dental colleges in the State.

PROF. A.S.R. NAIK (MAHABUBABAD): Hon. Deputy Speaker Sir,

this august House is well aware that the two children namely Malavath

Purna and Anand Kumar from the Telangana State created history by

scaling the Mount Everest on 25th May 2014. This House unanimously

congratulated the children. The hon. Prime Minister Shri Narendra

Modi and our hon. Chief Minister Shri K. Chandrasekhar Rao also

congratulated the children. A Bollywood director has also made a

movie based on the life of Malavath Purna. She is from Lambadi tribe.

Beti Bachao, Beti Padhao is the slogan of the Government of India. So,

I would request the Government to appoint Malavath Purna as the

brand ambassador of Beti Bachao, Beti Padhao programme.

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HON. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Kunwar Punshpendra Singh Chandel and

Shri Bhairon Prasad Mishra are permitted to associate with the issue

raised by Shri Rajendra Agarwal.

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HON. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Om Birla, Shri P.K. Biju, Shri

Innocent, Adv. Joice George, Shri M.K. Raghavan, Shri Adhir Ranjan

Chowdhury and Kumari Sushmita Dev are to associate with the issue

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SHRIMATI R. VANAROJA (TIRUVANNAMALAI): Respected

Deputy-Speaker Sir, thank you.

The need of the hour is to focus more on higher education

because a very meager percentage of students go for higher education

in the country. The schemes such as the National Talent Search Scheme

will attain its maximum only when the percentage of students going for

higher education rises. Our hon. Amma Government took several steps

to provide higher education to students and the efforts of the State

Government has yielded better percentage of students going for higher

education. So, I request the hon. Minister to detail the steps taken by

the Government to enhance the percentage of students going for higher

education.

SHRI PARTHA PRATIM RAY (COOCH BEHAR): Sir my

constituency Cooch Behar is 52 per cent Scheduled Caste and 27 per

cent Muslim minority populated. At the same time, it is an

economically backward region. It is an agriculture-based area; an

agriculture-based labour populated district. There are no major

industries; rather, about three lakh people go to different States as

labourers every year. The per capita credit and deposit are also not

satisfactory in comparison to the national level.

In these circumstances, I demand that Cooch Behar district be

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SHRIMATI BUTTA RENUKA (KURNOOL): Sir, the Kurnool

Medical College established in my constituency caters not only to the

people in the district of Kurnool but it is also serving even the people

from neighbouring States like Telangana and Karnataka. I am happy to

inform the House that recently the Medical College Hospital got

recognised as the best medical hospital by the State Government. In

such kinds of hospitals, we have very sincere working staff. Both

medical staff and paramedical staff are putting in very dedicated work.

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You please conclude now.

SHRIMATI BUTTA RENUKA (KURNOOL): Sir, I have not placed

my demand.

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: What is your demand?

SHRIMATI BUTTA RENUKA (KURNOOL): I request the

Government of India to consider sanctioning a super-specialty status

hospital for Kurnool or they should set up an AIIMS in my

constituency.


permitted to associate with the issue raised by Shrimati Butta Renuka.

SHRI P. KARUNAKARAN (KASARGOD): Thank you.

I would like to raise a very serious issue with regard to

MNREGA workers in our country. A large number of MNREGA

workers are not getting their wages in time.

As far as Kerala is concerned, it is reported that Rs. 750 crore is

pending. In my district, it comes to about Rs. 20 crore. As far is India is

concerned, it has crossed about Rs. 12 lakh crore.


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At the time of discussion on the Budget, the Government said

that they were ready to disburse all the dues. As far as Kerala is

concerned, the festival Vishu is also approaching. It is a festival of

Malayalis. At the same time, the workers are not able to celebrate the

festival because the wages have not been received. I would like to ask

the hon. Minister when they would be able to pay the dues because the

festival is falling on coming Friday.

HON. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri P.K. Biju, Adv. Joice George, Shri

Innocent, Shri M.K. Raghavan, Shri M.B. Rajesh, Shri Mullappally

Ramachandran and Dr. A. Sampath are permitted to associate with the

issue raised by Shri P. Karunakaran.

(c2/1310/rk-nsh)

SHRI K.C. VENUGOPAL (ALAPPUZHA): Sir, the hon. Minister of

Rural Development has given an assurance that all the dues under

MNREGA will be disbursed in the first week of April. So far no due

has been given and all the workers are in distress. The Government

should, therefore, ensure that these dues are paid in time.

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permitted to associate with the issue raised by Shri Bishnu Pada Ray

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… (Interruptions)

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri Gurjeet Singh.

… (Interruptions)

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Your own Member is speaking.

… (Interruptions)

THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS

AND MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI

ANANTHKUMAR): Deputy Speaker, Sir, many of the hon. Members

from the State of Kerala, my dear colleagues Karunakaran ji,

Venugopal ji, K. Suresh ji, Shrimati Teacher ji, have raised an

important issue regarding pending wages that have to be disbursed

under MNREGA to thousands of labourers. Vishu, a Kerala festival is

approaching.

SHRI K.C. VENUGOPAL (ALAPPUZHA): The hon. Minister has

given an assurance that he will be disbursing the dues to the labourers.

SHRI ANANTHKUMAR: I will definitely bring the concern of all of

your kind self to the attention of my dear friend, Shri Narendra Singh

Tomar, the hon. Minister of Rural Development. He has already given

an assurance to the hon. House. I will see to it that the entire procedure

is expedited.


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* SHRI GURJEET SINGH AUJLA (AMRITSAR) : Hon. Deputy

Speaker Sir, through you, I would like to draw the attention of the

Central Government towards the institutes of higher education that

were allotted to Amritsar but have not yet seen the light of the day.

The UPA Government had given the green signal for the establishment

of a Central University in Amritsar.

However, the SAD led State Government shifted the University

to Bathinda. In 2008, the UPA Government allotted a World-class

University to Amritsar. However, this university has not yet seen the

light of the day. Kapil Sibal ji granted Amritsar a ‘Software

Technology Park’. However, it has failed to materialize. In Amritsar,

sectors like the horticulture, higher education and research need

institutes of higher learning.

I urge upon the Government to complete the pending projects.

New projects should be allotted to Amritsar. Money due for pending

projects must also be released at the earliest. The setting up of an

AIIMS hospital at Amritsar had been announced but the erstwhile

Government shifted it to Bathinda. Who is responsible for this? I

demand an explanation.

(ends).

* Original in Punjabi


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HON. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Bhairon Prasad Mishra and Kunwar


raised by Shri Prem Singh Chandumajra.

Comment: Fd by d2

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Rajeev Satav and Shri Devji M. Patel are permitted to associate with

the issue raised by Shri Arvind Sawant.

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HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri Bhartruhari Mahtab, do you want to

speak? You only make a point.

SHRI BHARTRUHARI MAHTAB (CUTTACK): Sir, the point is that

the Odisha Government had raised an issue on 19th November, 2016

relating to the illegal construction by the Chhattisgarh Government on

the River Mahanadi. We had asked the Union Government to constitute

a Tribunal which would go into this issue. But, instead of forming a

Tribunal, the Union Government, in a very unprecedented way, had

formed a Negotiation Committee. The Government of Odisha had


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responded to the Union Government to do away with this Negotiation

Committee and requested to form a Tribunal which will go into this

issue. I would again request the Government to form a Tribunal in this

regard.

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The House stands adjourned to meet

again at 2 p.m.

1319 hours

The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Fourteen of the Clock.


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(f2/1405/snb-rps)

1406 hours

The Lok Sabha re-assembled at six minutes past fourteen of the Clock.

(Hon. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair)

MATTERS UNDER RULE 377 – LAID

HON. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Hon. Members, the Matters under Rule

377 shall be laid on the Table of the House. Members who have been

permitted to raise Matters under Rule 377 today and are desirous of

laying them may personally hand over the text of the matter at the

Table of the House within 20 minutes. Only those matters shall be

treated as laid for which the text of the matter has been received at the

Table within stipulated time. The rest will be treated as lapsed.

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107

Re: Need to set up a committee to improve the designs of Road

Over Bridge and Road Under Bridge on National Highways

intersecting railway lines

BÉÖEÄ´É® {ÉÖ−{Éäxp ÉËºÉc SÉxnäãÉ (càÉÉÒ®{ÉÖ®):


108

Re: Need to look into the functioning of UC internet browser and

its potential impact on national security

gÉÉÒ |ÉcãÉÉn ÉËºÉc {É]äãÉ (nàÉÉäc) :


109

Re: Need to ban the operation of wind energy projects in forest

areas particularly in Amreli district, Gujarat

gÉÉÒ xÉÉ®hÉ£ÉÉ<Ç BÉEÉUÉÊ½ªÉÉ (+ÉàÉ®äãÉÉÒ) :


110

Re: Need to set up a Programme Generating Centre of Dharwad in

Northern Karnataka

SHRI PRALHAD JOSHI (DHARWAD): Hubballi-Dharwad is the

second largest city in Karnataka second only to Bengaluru. Dharwad is

considered to be the cultural capital of the State. Many Jnanapeeth

awardees like, Dr. Da. Ra. Bendre and music personalities like Dr.

Gangubai Hangal,

Pt. Basavaraj Rajguru, Bharat Ratna Pt. Bhimsen Joshi, hailing from

the place, enriched the culture of the country by their unparalleled

works. There is a pending demand for establishing a Programme

Generating Centre at Dharwad with a full-fledged studio and a news

room as presently the Doordarshan Chandan is not properly reflecting

the art and culture of people of Northern part of Karnataka. In this

background, to reflect the culture of people of Northern part of

Karnataka and widening their cultural exposure and also giving wider

coverage of news from the region, there is an immediate need for

establishing a Programme Generating Centre at Dharwad for which I

have been repeatedly demanding.

(ends)


111

Re: Need to expedite setting up of Wagon Repair Workshop in

Dalmianagar, Bihar

gÉÉÒ UänÉÒ {ÉÉºÉ´ÉÉxÉ (ºÉÉºÉÉ®ÉàÉ) :


112

Re: Need to provide land to landless people out of land-pool

received during Bhoodan Movement

gÉÉÒ ®ÉàÉnÉºÉ ºÉÉÒ. iÉbºÉ (´ÉvÉÉÇ) :


113

Re: Need to impress upon Government of Bihar to redress the

grievances of agitating state employees

gÉÉÒ VÉxÉBÉE ®ÉàÉ (MÉÉä{ÉÉãÉMÉÆVÉ) :


114

Re: Need to include Meerut in Uttar Pradesh in the UDAN scheme

gÉÉÒ ®ÉVÉäxp +ÉOÉ´ÉÉãÉ (àÉä®~):


115

Re: Need to probe the cases of sabotage of railway lines in the

country

gÉÉÒ àÉÖBÉEä¶É ®ÉVÉ{ÉÚiÉ ({ÉE®ÇEJÉÉ¤ÉÉn) :


116

Re: Need to extend Ranchi - Barkichanpi passenger train (No.

58653/58654) upto Garhwa road railway station in Jharkhand

gÉÉÒ ÉÊ´ÉhÉÖ nªÉÉãÉ ®ÉàÉ ({ÉãÉÉàÉÚ) :


117

Re: Need to develop Tezpur in Assam as a Smart City and

introduce daily air service from Delhi

SHRI RAM PRASAD SARMAH (TEZPUR): Tezpur is the

headquarters of Sonitpur district of Assam and the most important city

on the North bank of Brahrnaputra river. In the recent time, Tezpur city

has become main commercial hub for adjacent district of Assam and

Arunachal Pradesh. Tezpur city is adorned by lush green hills and

hillocks, decorated with beautiful parks and rivers in the city. Recently

Tezpur was awarded the “Most Clean city in the North Eastern region”.

It is to be noted that here there are over hundred tea gardens / estates,

Army 4 Corps HQ, Army Brigade, SSB Frontier HQ, CRPF Sector

HQ, ITBP Battalion and famous Indian Air Force Eastern Command

HQ.

Tezpur is one of the best tourist destinations of North Eastern

India and once regular air service starts on this route, it will have great

impact boosting tourism sector in the region. It may be noted that in

particular flow of tourists visiting Tawang (being re-christened as the

“Switzerland” of the East) in Arunachal Pradesh, for its natural beauty

and the second biggest Buddhist Monastery in the world, will provide

heavy rush of air passengers. Commencement of regular air service to

Tezpur from Delhi via Kolkata will not only boost tourism, but also

employment generation in the region.

I demand from the Union Government to grant sufficient amount

for beautification, enhancement of public amenities and daily air

service between Delhi - Tezpur to develop the city as Smart city of

North Eastern Region. (ends)


118

Re: Need to start construction of road over bridge and under pass

at level crossing no. 12-C in Kirari in North West Delhi

parliamentary constituency, Delhi

bÉì. =ÉÊniÉ ®ÉVÉ (=kÉ®-{ÉÉÎ¶SÉàÉ ÉÊnããÉÉÒ) :


119

Re: Need to expedite construction of new power plant in Giridih

parliamentary constituency, Jharkhand

gÉÉÒ ®´ÉÉÒxp BÉÖEàÉÉ® {ÉÉhbäªÉ (ÉÊMÉÉÊ®bÉÒc) :


120

Re: Need to withdraw the new charges and penalties announced

by the State Bank of India

SHRI M.I. SHANAVAS (WAYANAD): The decision by SBI to

impose charges and penalties for shortfall on Minimum Average

Balance and levies on ATM transactions exceeding preset limits is

unjustifiable. This draconian move affects more than 31 crore account

holders including pensioners and students and even people belonging to

tribal areas are not spared. The circular by SBI cites steep and

unjustified charges for ATM card KIT returned by courier due to wrong

address and duplicate account statement. The steep charges are justified

by the SBI as a balancing of “burden” of managing a large number of

Jan Dhan accounts.

This move by the SBI is anti-people and it stands in

contravention to the professed ethics of nationalized banks which are to

provide fair services to all beneficiaries. I urge upon the government to

immediately repeal the new charges levied by the banks in the interest

of the common man.

(ends)


121

Re: Need to retain the 171.93 acres of land acquired for

construction of railway junction near Oorukere in Tumkur

district, Karnataka

SHRI B.N. CHANDRAPPA (CHITRADURGA): 171.93 acre of land

was acquired for railway junction near Oorukere in Tumkur District in

Karnataka. This junction is for two important railway projects namely

Tumkur - Rayadurga and Tumkur - Davangere. Both railway lines pass

through my parliamentary Constituency Chitradurga in Karnataka.

These two projects are on 50-50 cost-sharing basis by railways and

state Government. The above railway junction is must keeping in view

the future of railway interest into consideration. But some vested

interests are making attempts in collusion with some officials to de-

notify 144.31 acre of land out of 171.93 acres reserved for formation of

Railway junction near Oorukere. There is no request by the Original

land owners.

Hence, I urge the Hon'ble Railway Minister to retain 171.93 acres

of land for railways without allowing any de-notification.

(ends)


122

Re: Railway projects in Mayiladuthurai parliamentary

constituency of Tamil Nadu

SHRI R.K. BHARATHI MOHAN (MAYILADUTHURAI):

Government has plans to introduce a new express train service between

Ganganagar in Rajasthan and Tiruchirapalli is Tamil Nadu. If this train

is extended up to Mayiladuthurai via Thanjavur and Kumbakonam, it

will be highly beneficial to thousands of people living in Papanasam,

Kumbakonam and Mayiladuthurai, particularly to the lots of pilgrims

visiting from North India. It will also connect Salem. I, therefore,

request the Hon'ble Railway Minister to extend the proposed

Ganganagar express up to Mayiladuthurai.

There is a long pending demand of the people of my

Mayiladuthurai constituency to extend the Platform Nos. 2 and 3 at

Kumbakonam Railway Station to accommodate 24 coaches. The

General Manager, Southern Railway has submitted proposals for Rs.

2.80 crore towards extension of platform Nos 1,2,3 and 4 to hold 26

bogies at Kumbakonam Railway Station which is also the main line

between Villupuram and Tiruchirapalli via Mayiladuthurai and fetches

an income of Rs. 60 crore annually. There is a constraint due to single

track in increasing the speed of existing trains on this line. Therefore,

the Thanjavur-Villupuram section needs to be doubled with

electrification.

So I urge the Hon’ble Minister to take necessary steps to fulfill the

genuine Railway demands of the people of Mayiladuthurai

Constituency as early as possible. (ends)


123

Re: Medical insurance and monetary benefits for organ

transplant and organ donation

SHRI K. ASHOK KUMAR (KRISHNAGIRI): Tamil Nadu is now the

leader in organ donations and organ transplants and awarded for best

performing State in the country. In Tamil Nadu apart from 257 heart

transplants, 130 Lungs, 836 Liver and 1615 kidney transplants are

done. Altogether 4938 organ transplants were successfully performed

which is 10 times higher than all other States put together in the

country.

The Tamil Nadu Government is encouraging people to promote

organ donations and facilitate hospitals to perform organ transplants to

save the life of people who are in desperate need for organ transplant.

Through the Transplant Authority of Tamil Nadu, Cadaver Transplant

Programme, Tamil Nadu Network for Organ Sharing a detailed organ

donor registry is maintained and the website is providing all the

necessary details for the people to know about organ donation and

organ transplants. Tamil Nadu has the most efficient and effective

cadaver transplant programme in India.


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Apart from Government Hospitals, many private hospitals where

the organ transplants are done in Tamil Nadu strictly follow the laws

pertaining to organ donation. This has become possible because of

active involvement of transplant centres and transparent functioning of

the programme.

To sustain and increase the momentum, there is an urgent need

for the Union Government to initiate Special Medical Insurance and

monetary incentive schemes for the benefit of poor people who require

organ transplant and help organ donation.

(ends)


125

Re: Need to frame a policy for welfare of farmers in the country

DR. RATNA DE (NAG) (HOOGHLY): A number of farmers have

been committing suicide day after day due to drought, flood or being

unable to pay farm loans. There is no end to this tragedy. Even the

apex court has asked the Central and State Governments to frame a

policy to attend to the issues concerning farmers. It is high time the

Government of India should come out with a National Policy to address

the grievances of farmers who have been hit hard. I consider it odd to

point out that farmers who are providing food to the nation have been

left high and dry and we allow them to commit suicides. Under the

circumstances, there is a need to announce a national policy to

safeguard farmers without any further loss of time.

(ends)


126

Re: Need to take steps to conserve the Sun Temple of Konark in

Odisha

DR. PRABHAS KUMAR SINGH (BARGARH): The Sun Temple, a

World Heritage Monument built in 13th Century AD is famous for its

sculptural and ornamental works. It has been declared as a World

Heritage Monument by UNESCO in 1984. This monument is facing

severe conservation problems like saline ingress, water logging, erosion

and vegetative intrusions into the temple. The main temple has

collapsed but the Pidha Deula i.e.”Jagamohana” is still intact. The ASI

is the custodian of the monument since 1939. A Steering Committee

formed under the Chairmanship of DG, ASI has recommended various

measures. A Technical Committee has inspected the Temple and

discussed steps for structural stability and drainage. The Central

Building Research Institute, Roorkee was engaged to examine the

structure so as to ascertain the interior reality and to identity problems

related to the structure.

I would like to request the Ministry of Culture to take regular

steps through the ASI to conserve and protect the Sun Temple from

saline action, water logging, erosion and vegetative intrusions.

(ends)


127

Re: Regarding providing regional language TV channels to

customers all over the country

gÉÉÒ +É®ÉË´Én ºÉÉ´ÉÆiÉ (àÉÖà¤É<Ç nÉÊFÉhÉ) :


128

Re: Need to construct a dam on the swamp between Mulapets and

Naupada in Srikakulam district of Andhra Pradesh

SHRI RAM MOHAN NAIDU KINJARAPU (SRIKAKULAM):

I would like to bring to your kind notice that there is a half swamp

region which is a connecting link to around one hundred villages to the

sea at Bavanapadu Port in Santhabommali Mandal, Srikakulam

District. The water moves from Gareebulagedda to sea at Bavanapadu

through this swamp which is my constituency. In my home State of

Andhra Pradesh there is a need for construction of a dam on that

swamp. Between Mulapeta to Naupada as it covers a number of

villages i.e Lingudu, Sandipeta, Sunnapalli, Rajapuram, S. Patha

Meghavaram, Meghavaram villages. If the dam is constructed by the

Government of India it will be useful for fishermen community. This is

important for people for improving road connectivity and to provide

hospital, police and other communication in Tekkali Divisional

Headquarters which is mainly inhabited by fisherman community. In

this regard, I request the Government to kindly sanction construction

of dam on the swamp in place of an old dam which was constructed

temporarily between Mulapets and Naupada.

(ends)


129

Re: Need to include heat wave in the list of natural disasters

SHRI B. VINOD KUMAR (KARIMNAGAR): Heat Wave is a period

of abnormally high temperatures that occurs during the summer season

typically between March and June. The extreme temperatures adversely

affect people living in Gujarat, Rajasthan, Odisha, Telangana and

Andhra Pradesh, In recent years, the death toll due to heat waves has

witnessed a consistently rising trend. There was a 61% increase in the

number of deaths due to heat stroke across India between 2004 and

2013. According to National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB) data

between 2010 and 2014, a total of 5778 people lost their lives because

of Heat Stroke, an average of 3 deaths per day. The situation is

particularly grave in the Telangana and Andhra regions, which account

for about 20-30% of these deaths. Although the National Disaster

Management Authority (NDMA) acknowledges cold wave as a natural

calamity, when it comes to heat waves, it doesn’t have any prevention

or relief plans except a few generic guidelines. Classifying a heat wave

as a national calamity is logical given the number of deaths reported

across the country. The classification would help, as the onus would

then be on both the Centre and the State governments to make sure that

prevention, rehabilitation and compensation measures are effectively

provided through a collaborated approach. Therefore, I request the

Centre to include heat wave in its list of natural disasters and to direct

the NDMA to issue specific guidelines to deal with this peril in the

future.

(ends)


130

Re: Need to provide digital class rooms in institutions run by

Tribal Welfare Department in Araku Parliamentary

Constituency of Andhra Pradesh

SHRIMATI KOTHAPALLI GEETHA (ARAKU): I wish to bring to

your kind notice that my constituency Araku in Andhra Pradesh is the

only tribal constituency in the state. Educational facilities provided in

the tribal and rural areas are very poor and the tribal children are

deprived of quality education.

The tribal welfare department is running Ashram, Gurukulams

and mini Gurukulams to cater to the needs of tribal children. The Union

Government is committed to provide quality education to the children

and is evolving many programmes and schemes.

Hence, to provide quality education to the students in the agency

area, I would like to request the Hon’ble Minister for tribal affairs to

provide for Digital classrooms/smart class rooms in all the tribal

welfare managed institutions. This will be a great step forward in

providing educational opportunities on par with people studying in the

urban areas. Hence I request the Hon’ble Minister to kindly consider

my request in the interest of the tribal children and provide for Digital

classrooms.

(ends)


131

Re: Increase in Minimum Average Balance requirement

announced by the State Bank of India

SHRI P. KARUNAKARAN (KASARGOD): The State Bank of India

(SBI) has started charging more from its account holders for not

maintaining minimum balance as well as for services like cheque books

and lockers. The decision of SBI to raise charges on various services is

likely to be followed by other banks thereby hitting customers across

the country. The Monthly Average Balance (MAB) requirement has

been increased to as high as Rs 5,000. MAB for metro branches

increased to Rs 5,000 and penalty for non-maintenance of minimum

balance will be between Rs 50 and Rs 100. For urban and semi-urban

branches, the MAB has been fixed at Rs 3,000 and Rs 2,000

respectively. Accordingly, you are requested to kindly look into the

matter to safeguard the interest of the common people.

(ends)


132

Re: Regarding work relating to National Register for Citizens in

Assam

SHRI SIRAJUDDIN AJMAL (BARPETA): I would like to draw the

attention of the House towards a very serious issue of Assam. You may

know that the updating and preparation of National Register for

Citizens (NRC) is going on in Assam under the supervision of Hon’ble

Supreme Court of India.

Earlier, Supreme Court directed state government of Assam to

prepare a modality for NRC after which the state government formed a

cabinet-sub committee for the purpose. The committee after discussion

with all political parties and other stakeholders prepared a modality

which was accepted by the Supreme Court of India and the Registrar

General of India. But now the Guwahati High Court has passed an

order that Panchayat Secretaries have no power to issue any linkage

certificates and certificates issued by them have no legal authenticity.

The Hon’ble Court has not given any alternative option in this regard.

Meanwhile, Supreme Court of India ordered that barring those 48 lakh

person, NRC preparation process to be continued and should be

published. The current scenario has created extreme anxiety among the

affected persons.

Therefore, I humbly request the Government of India to pass

instructions to Hon’ble Home Minister, Hon’ble Law Minister and

Registrar General of India to find out a positive solution of the problem

as soon as possible and give justice to 48 lakh people of Assam to get

their names registered their in the ongoing preparation of National

Register for Citizens. (ends)


133

Re: Need to provide e-rickshaws to differently-abled persons in

Nalanda parliamentary constituency, Bihar

gÉÉÒ BÉEÉè¶ÉãÉäxp BÉÖEàÉÉ® (xÉÉãÉÆnÉ) :


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Re: Need to issue letter of permission to Government Medical

College, Paripally in Kollam district of Kerala for academic

year 2017-18

SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN (KOLLAM): Government Medical

College Parippally, Kollam, submitted application for new medical

college for the academic year 2017-18. The Medical Council of India

(MCI) sent a report to the Central Government recommending its

disapproval. After hearing, the Ministry recommended MCI to review

their decision. MCI is not reviewing the matter on merit. On technical

grounds, the MCI sticks to their earlier decision and recommended for

return of the application. The ESIC spent an amount of Rs. 580 crores

for providing infrastructure facilities. If permission is not given it will

be resulting in waste of public money. The public should not be

penalized for the delay on the part of officials in submitting compliance

as per the time schedule. The Medical College is entitled for letter of

permission for admission during the academic year 2017—18 as per the

existing norms.

Hence, I urge upon the Government to issue letter of permission

to Government Medical College, Parippally during the academic year

2017-18.

(ends)


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HUMAN IMMUNODEFICIENCY VIRUS AND ACQUIRED

IMMUNE DEFICIENCY SYNDROME (PREVENTION AND

CONTROL) BILL

1407 hours

HON. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The House will now take up item no. 31

— The Human Immunodeficiency Virus and Acquired Immune

Deficiency Syndrome (Prevention and Control) Bill, 2017.

THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI

JAGAT PRAKASH NADDA): Hon. Deputy-Sir, I beg to move:

“That the Bill to provide for the prevention and control of

the spread of Human Immunodeficiency Virus and

Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome and for the

protection of human rights of persons affected by the said

virus and syndrome and for matters connected therewith or

incidental thereto, as passed by Rajya Sabha, be taken into

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HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Motion moved:







consideration.”

1420 hours

SHRI ADHIR RANJAN CHOWDHURY (BAHARAMPUR): Mr.

Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the legislative document under

the title the Human Immunodeficiency Virus and Acquired Immune

Deficiency Syndrome (Prevention and Control) Bill, 2017.

The hon. Minister has already dwelt on this issue in an elaborate

way. He has also said that it is an exhaustive, aggressive and

progressive legislation. We do not differ with the contention of the

Minister. But there may be inexhaustive suggestions and there may be

inexhaustive promises and demands which also should be taken note of.

Sir, decades have passed when we are still undergoing the HIV

and AIDS epidemic and still profound stigma and discriminations are

attached with the lives of those suffering from this disease. The name

of HIV and AIDS conjures all the spectre of horror and discrimination

which are still inflicting our psyche. That cannot be denied. I agree

with the Minister that it is a progressive and aggressive legislation as he

mentioned. First of all, my suggestion to the hon. Minister is that mass

awareness is the need of the hour. Without proper mass awareness


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programme and comprehensive mass awareness programme, you

would not be able to get the common people away from the spectre of

the stigma and discrimination.

This Bill is in continuation of an earlier legislation which was

introduced in this House by his predecessor Shri Gulam Nabi Azadji

and thereafter, the Minister has been kind enough to take into

confidence the suggestions given by various forums including the

concerned Standing Committee. Most of the recommendations of the

Standing Committee have been accommodated in this legislation. So I

must appreciate the endeavour made by the hon. Health Minister

Naddaji.

Sir, in July, 2000, the United Nations Security Council adopted

Resolution 1308 calling for urgent and exceptional actions to mitigate

the threats posed by HIV and AIDS. These exceptional actions refer to

the need to provide exclusive responses and resources to mitigate the

threats posed by HIV and AIDS. As the first disease to be the subject of

a United Nations Security Council Resolution, the exceptional status of

HIV and AIDS has brought about unprecedented levels of international

funding allocated primarily in developing countries where responses to

the disease have historically been scarce or non-existent.

Sir, integration of HIV and AIDS intervention in Primary

Healthcare System has taken place in India from 2010 onwards and

during 2016, in the high level meeting at the United Nations General

Assembly, India pledged to follow targets to fast track the pace of


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progress towards ending HIV/AIDS as a public health threat in the next

five years, and ending the epidemic by 2030.

(k2/1425/kkd/pc)

Already, it has been recognised by the global body as an

epidemic. We are also aware that this Government is pursuing the

Sustainable Development Goal whereby it has been committed that by

2030, the AIDS and HIV epidemic will be wiped out. To that end, we

have already discussed in this House, the Sustainable Development

Goal.

Sir, to implement the Sustainable Development Goal, the

Government requires funds to the mind-boggling extent of Rs. 55 lakh

crore. Out of it, still Rs. 19 lakh crore are remaining to be bridged.

So, I do not know, how the funds will be mobilised, how the

Government and the Health Minister will mop up the resources to

implement these goals including the Sustainable Development Goal by

the year 2030.

Sir, still out of 10 HIV infected people in the world, India stands

at No. 4. So, you can easily ascertain the alarming dimension of HIV

and AIDS prevailing in our country.

Sir, I would like to quote the former Secretary-General, United

Nations, Mr. Ban Ki-moon. He said:

“Stigma is the main reason why too many people are afraid

to see a doctor to determine whether they have the disease,

or to seek treatment if so. It helps make AIDS the silent

killer, because people fear the social disgrace of speaking

about it, or taking easily available precautions. Stigma is a

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chief reason the AIDS epidemic continues to devastate

societies around the world.”

Sir, may I know from the hon. Health Minister about his fast-

track target? What are the fast-track targets that he has conceived? I

am asking it because the Member-States begin to implement the 2030

Agenda for Sustainable Development, it was acknowledged that ending

the AIDS epidemic by 2030 would only be possible if Fast-Track

Targets are met by 2020.

The 2016 Political Declaration calls on the world to achieve the

following goals in support of the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable

Development:

1. Reduce new HIV infections to fewer than 500 000 globally by 2020;

2. Reduce AIDS-related deaths to fewer than 500 000 globally by

2020;

3. Eliminate HIV-related stigma and discrimination by 2020.

Sir, the Bill misses the Fast-Track target of 2020. So, I would like

to be enlightened by the hon. Minister during his reply.

Secondly, I would also like to know the rate of HIV that has

turned into full-blown AIDS in India. I do not have this record. May

the hon. Minister enlighten us about the rate of HIV turning into a full-

blown AIDS so that we can determine our future course of action more

prudently? We know that 2,000 new HIV infections occur everyday in

the world among young people, a third of all new infections, but only

28 per cent of young women have accurate knowledge about HIV.

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Leaders have committed to supporting and enabling young

people to play a critical role in leading the response by promoting the

full realization of their right to health and comprehensive education on

sexual and reproductive health and HIV prevention. The Political

Declaration also recognizes the importance of universal access to

sexual and reproductive health and reproductive rights. The other goal

is to strengthen national social and child protection systems to ensure

that, by 2020, 75 per cent of people living with, at risk of, and affected

by HIV benefit from HIV-sensitive social protection.

The Government should give a clarion call to each and every

Indian that we are striving and we need a vision of zero new HIV

infection, zero discrimination and zero AIDS related deaths.

Sir, India records around 68,000 fatalities every year from

Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome and related infections. The

Government decided to merge the Department of AIDS Control with

the National Health Mission in August, 2014 despite an alarming rate

of deaths and around 2 million people being vulnerable. The National

AIDS Control Organisation’s budget has been reduced by a whopping

22 per cent which left the State Governments to fend for themselves.

The Minister has suggested that respective State Governments should

also come forward in an aggressive way to deal with this prevalence of

AIDS.

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There is a controversy over Section 14(1) of this legislation. I

think, the Minister is well aware with Section 14(1) of this legislation.

The Bill has not addressed the demand for the removal of four-word

phrase ‘as far as possible’ of Clause 14(1) which pertains to the

treatment of HIV affected people. Related organisations argue that in

the present form the Bill does not ensure free and complete treatment to

people living with HIV. The Bill, under Section 14(1), only states that

the Centre and State Governments shall take measure to “as far as

possible” provide Anti-Retroviral Treatment, diagnostic facilities and

treatment for opportunistic infection management to people living with

HIV. They even regretted for it.

Sir, universal access to treatment is a stated goal of National

AIDS Control Organisation under the Ministry of Health. But the four

words “as far as possible” dilute the objective with which India’s AIDS

control programme has worked so far. It has registered major

achievements such as reduction of death. One affected person has

quoted in a regretted way: “My virus inside only listens to ARV (HIV

medicines), not verbal assurance from the Government. Therefore, I

would urge upon this Government that to dispel the fear or to dispel the

appreciation of the affected people these four words “as far as possible”

should be deleted from this legislative document.

The non-Governmental organisations are demanding that there

should be statutory meanings so that they will not land in any further

problem. It is because tomorrow if a patient would not get free drugs,

the Government will tell that they did “as far as possible”. Comment: Cd by m2


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(m2/1435/rcp/bks)

Sir, it is also observed that on various occasions the shortage of

drugs has been affecting the treatment of AIDS and HIV-affected

people. I would like to know from the hon. Minister whether our blood

banks in States are equipped enough to screen the blood which is not

tainted with or which is not infected with HIV and AIDS. This is a big

question whether State Governments do have the infrastructure. It is

because, you do not have the facility in district hospitals which is

required to detect and determine HIV and AIDS patients. Therefore, I

would also request the hon. Minister that he needs to take

comprehensive measures so as to make a fool-proof legislation in order

to achieve the desired goals.

At present, not all persons diagnosed with HIV are eligible for

free antiretroviral drugs. Only patients whose CD4 count is less than

250 units are provided with free treatment under the programme run by

National AIDS Control Organisation or National AIDS Control

Organisation. Therefore, I would also like to warn the Minister that if

the Bill does not address concern to protect rights of most-at-risk

population like sex workers, men having sex with men, injected drug

users and transgender persons, the Minister may enlighten us on this

issue. The Minister need not gossip right now.

The 2006 draft of the Bill was comprehensive. It not only

protected the rights of PLHIV but also the most-at-risk population. The

original Bill did not talk about diagnostics at all; the amended version

has mentions of diagnostics but the scope and extent is unclear.

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The Bill does not have elements regarding the outlines of policy

change, funding and normalisation of HIV plus individuals in society.

To make things worse, the Act has severe drawbacks in terms of fiscal

responsibility. The Bill provides for the establishment of only one

ombudsman. However, we need more ombudsmen.

I would also suggest to the hon. Minister that the expression of

HIV/AIDS should be avoided, whenever possible, because it can cause

confusion. Most people with HIV do not have AIDS because AIDS

does not have, right now, any way to escape death.

Again tuberculosis, a disease caused by Mycobacterium

tuberculosis bacterium that attacks the lungs, is the leading cause of

death for people with HIV worldwide. HIV compromises the immune

system and thus increases the likelihood of TB infection, progression

and relapse. People living with HIV are estimated to have between 20

to 37 times greater risk of developing TB than those not living with

HIV. It is estimated that one-third of the 40 million people living with

HIV worldwide are co-infected with TB. Unlike AIDS, however, TB

can be cured. I have found nothing in this legislation in regard to my

contention about TB.

However, it is a huge legislation comprising 50 clauses. I must

appreciate the Minister that he has exhausted his energy; he has burnt

his midnight oil. However, there is a slip between the cup and the lip.

However, I am supporting the legislation.

Thank you.

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DR. K. KAMARAJ (KALLAKURICHI): Hon. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I

thank you for giving me an opportunity to speak on the Human

Immunodeficiency Virus and Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome

(Prevention and Control) Bill, 2017.

As a medical student, it was in the 1980s that the first case of

HIV-AIDS was reported in Africa. As the previous speakers have said,

the first HIV case was reported in the prestigious Madras Medical

College where I was a student. As the earlier speaker mentioned, it was

reported by hon. Professor Suniti Solomon who was working in the

Department of Microbiology at that point of time. When the first case

was reported, it created awareness at that point of time about the

disease. When the disease was diagnosed, the fear was that HIV

infection would wipe out the world since there was no treatment for

HIV infection. Even after many years, still the same state continues

where you can control the disease but you cannot cure it.

There are certain problems associated with HIV infection. First,

you have to identify the case. Once you identify the case, how are you

going to treat the case? The problem with the AIDS is that you have to

treat the disease when the patient’s CD4 count goes down. The second

thing is how to treat the patient when the patient gets infected with this

opportunistic infection, super-infection. The treatment of the disease

per se and the combination is very costly. The burden lies on the

Government and the patient. The third thing is the discrimination


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against the person affected by the disease. The fourth thing is that the

person gets an infection not due to his fault but for various other

reasons. He may get the infection while a doctor is operating upon him.

A child can get the infection from his mother. A medical personnel,

like a staff nurse, working in a hospital may get the infection. A patient,

while getting blood transfusion, may get infection transferred into his

blood. These are the problems.

Even though this Bill has come late, it is a right step. Initially, it

was introduced by Shri Ghulam Nabi Azad when he was the Health

Minister. This Bill was referred to the Standing Committee on Health

and Family Welfare which had an extensive discussion with different

stakeholders. It finally recommended the Bill to the Government with

certain recommendations. I appreciate the effort of the Minister in

accommodating all the views of the Standing Committee on Health and

Family Welfare.

This Bill seeks to prevent and control the spread of HIV and

AIDS, prohibit discrimination against persons infected with HIV and

AIDS, provide informed consent and confidentiality with regard to

their treatment, place obligation on the establishments to safeguard

their rights and create mechanisms for addressing their complaints. The

self-respect and dignity of persons infected with HIV and AIDS should

be protected.

Two decades ago, India was considered a hotspot. Initially, in

States like Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh, many cases

were detected, but all the State Governments, with the help of the


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Central Government, took all the measures to control the disease. Since

then, India has made tremendous progress in controlling HIV and AIDS

infection through continued efforts to include targeted programmes

with the support of donor agencies. We can understand the amount of

effort put in by the Melinda Gate Foundation in aiding the control of

disease in India and other various donor agencies and also the efforts of

the State Governments and the Central Government. With the help and

support of affected communities, India has demonstrated that the

course of an epidemic can be reversed by public education, mass

awareness and wide-scale availability of testing and treatment.

Today, approximately 21 lakh people are living with HIV

infection in India as per Government estimates.

. (q2/1455/ak-my)

Out of this, 50 per cent of these cases are due to no fault of theirs.

As I had previously said, it is not due to their acts of commission or

omission, but in reality the numbers may be much higher.

It is really unfortunate and sad to see that social stigma and

discrimination against HIV-affected individuals in India remains

widespread. India made some efforts at stigma reduction in the early

part of the epidemic. Yet, social attitudes do not transform easily. It is

very sad to note that discrimination against HIV positive

persons is still there in society. This negativity in mindset has to be

wiped-out completely from society.

As a medical student, I had observed that many of the doctors

had a fear to treat HIV patients because of the facilities available in the

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setup, which were not adequate at that point of time. But in the present

day, every facility is available to protect the medical professionals

while they are treating the HIV patients.

The present Bill lists the various grounds on which

discrimination against HIV-affected persons and those living with them

are prohibited. These include denial, termination, discontinuation or

unfair treatment with regard to employment, educational

establishments, healthcare services, residing or renting property,

standing for public or private office and provision of insurance. The

requirement for HIV testing as a pre-requisite for obtaining

employment or accessing the healthcare or education is also prohibited.

I feel this should be executed on the ground-level without any

compromise.

Every HIV-affected person below the age of 18 years has the

right to reside in a shared household and enjoy the facilities of the

household. It is good that the Bill prohibits any individual from

publishing information or advocating feelings of hatred against HIV

positive persons and those living with them.

The Bill requires that no HIV test, medical treatment or research

will be conducted on a person without his or her informed consent. No

person shall be compelled to disclose his HIV status except with his /

her informed consent and if required by a court order. Informed consent

for an HIV test will not be required in case of screening by any licensed

blood bank, a court order, medical research, and epidemiological

purposes where the HIV test is anonymous and not meant to determine


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the HIV status of a person. Establishments keeping records of

information of HIV positive persons shall adopt data protection

measures.

The Union Government should provide adequate financial and

logistic support to State Governments to take effective measures to

prevent further spread of HIV or AIDS; to provide anti-retroviral

therapy, especially, in case of opportunistic infections where the

treatment cost is very high; infection management for persons with

HIV; to facilitate their access to welfare schemes, especially, for

women and children; to formulate HIV/AIDS education

communication programmes that are age-appropriate, gender-sensitive,

and non- stigmatizing; and to lay guidelines for care and treatment of

children with HIV infection. Every person in the care and custody of

the State shall have right to HIV prevention, testing, treatment and

counseling services.

The Bill advocates for the appointment of an Ombudsman by

each State Government to inquire into complaints related to the

violation of the Act and the provision of healthcare services. The

Ombudsman shall submit a report to the State Government every six

months stating the number and nature of complaints received, the

actions taken, and orders passed.

A person between the age of 12 and 18 years who has sufficient

maturity in understanding and managing the affairs of his HIV or

AIDS-affected family shall be competent to act as a guardian of another

sibling below 18 years of age. The guardianship will apply in matters


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relating to admission to educational establishments, operating bank

accounts, managing property, care and treatment amongst others.

The Bill provides provision for cases relating to HIV positive

persons that shall be disposed of by the court on a priority-basis. In any

legal proceeding, if an HIV-infected or affected person is a party, then

the court may pass orders that the proceedings be conducted (a) by

suppressing the identity of the person; (b) in camera; and (c) to restrain

any person from publishing information that discloses the identity of

the applicant.

When passing any order with regard to a maintenance application

filed by an HIV-infected or affected person, the court shall take

into account the medical expenses incurred by the applicant.

(r2/1500/ub-cp)

The provision of this Bill ensures the Government accountability

and commitment to providing HIV prevention, testing, treatment and

care to those at risk because every Government irrespective of the

political affiliations must commit to fighting the HIV infection. For the

first time, the Bill brings together a human rights perspective to public

health and makes Antiretroviral treatment a right of HIV/AIDS

patients. The Governments of the day are duty bound to provide for

treatment and also arrange for the management of risk reduction of

vulnerable populations. This will ensure that in future no Indian has to

struggle for diagnosis or treatment.

Considering widespread stigma and the need for privacy, the Bill

also mandates that no HIV test, medical treatment, or research can be

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conducted on a person without their informed consent. This ensures

that those affected by HIV have the right to privacy and confidentiality.

The Bill also mandates that no person can be compelled to disclose

their HIV status report except with informed consent, and if required by

a court order.

While social change will take time and stigma will not end

immediately, it is a much needed and long awaited measure that will

work to reduce stigma and discrimination towards people living with

HIV. It will also ensure enhanced access to and privacy for those

seeking care. The Bill intends to ensure that those living with HIV do

so with dignity and respect enjoying all their rights as citizens. In the

long-term, our goal is an India where no new HIV infection occurs and

where living with HIV is neither a matter of fear or of shame. With

this, I support the Bill.

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1502 hours

DR. RATNA DE (NAG) (HOOGHLY): The Bill aims to provide

essential support to National AIDS Control Programme in arresting

new infections and thereby achieving the target of “Ending the

Epidemic by 2030” according to Sustainable Development Goals.

India has the third largest HIV epidemics in the world after South

Africa and Nigeria. As per the Report of 2015, there are 21.17 lakh

persons estimated to be living with HIV in India, out of which 6.54 per

cent accounts for children. The adult prevalence is in the range of 0.3

per cent, of which around 40 per cent are women. An estimated 68,000

population died from AIDS-related illnesses in 2015. However, at

present, India’s HIV epidemic is slowing down. In 2015, 44 per cent of

adult eligible for Antiretroviral Treatment received treatment, which

was 36 per cent in 2013. Despite the rise, the number of people on ART

remains low. The introduction of the new 2013 World Health

Organization treatment guideline has made many more people eligible

for Antiretroviral Treatment, forcing treatment access to be the priority

area.

The Bill highlights the provisions to safeguard the rights of the

people living with HIV and affected by HIV. It also lists various

grounds on which discrimination against HIV positive persons and

those living with them is prohibited. These include the denial,

termination, discontinuation or unfair treatment with regard to

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renting property, standing for public and private office and provision of

insurance. The requirement for HIV testing as prerequisite for

obtaining employment or accessing healthcare or education is

prohibited. The Bill seeks to provide a legislative framework to the

existing state of non-discrimination against people living with

HIV/AIDS. Alongside, the aim is also to enhance the legal

accountability and establish formal mechanism for redressing

grievances. Under this Bill, every HIV infected or affected person

below the age of 18 has the right to reside in shared household and

enjoy the facilities of the household.

(s2/1505/spr-nsh)

The Bill prohibits any individual from publishing information or

advocating feelings of hatred against HIV positive persons and those

living with them. The Bill states the provision of guardianship for

minors. The Bill requires that “No person shall be compelled to

disclose his HIV status except with his informed consent, and if

required by court order.” According to the Bill, the Central and State

Governments should undertake measures to prevent the spread of HIV

and AIDS, provide Anti-Retroviral Therapy and infection management

for persons with HIV and AIDS, facilitate their access to welfare

schemes especially for women and children, formulate HIV/AIDS

education communication programmes that are age appropriate, gender

sensitive and non-stigmatising, and lay guidelines for the care and

treatment of children with HIV and AIDS.

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The Bill makes provision for appointment of an Ombudsman by

the State Governments. Cases relating to HIV positive persons shall be

disposed of. Most of the recommendations made by the Standing

Committee have been inserted in the Bill. Some amendments during the

discussion in Rajya Sabha, adoption of medically advised safeguards

and precautions to minimize the risk of infection from an HIV positive

person shall not amount to discrimination; Central and State

Governments shall frame schemes to address the needs of all protected

persons under the Bill as opposed to only HIV and AIDS affected

women and children; and in case of an emergency, the Ombudsman

will pass an order within 24 hours. Otherwise, the Ombudsman shall

pass an order within a period of 30 days.

The Bill in a way is a landmark Bill as it extends first ever

explicit rights based legal endorsement in the context of a specific

health condition of people living with HIV and AIDS in our country.

There cannot be two opinions about the exalted aim of the Bill.

While this Bill and amendments mentioned therein represent important

steps in the struggle against tackling HIV and AIDS, there are certain

limitations which creates further gaps in catering to the main aim of

the Bill.

Firstly, the Bill brings a right-based approach to AIDS treatment,

making it imperative for both Central and State Governments to

provide treatment as far as possible. Under Section 14(1), though the

Bill lays down that treatment is the right of the patient, it restricts its

reach to convert it to a legal right and thus, a person with HIV and


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AIDS who is denied ART treatment cannot ordinarily initiate any legal

proceedings against the Government authorities.

Secondly, the prevention programme does not look at how

women’s bodies are different from men. Sexual violence heightens the

risk of HIV transmission and the infection traveling from mothers to

children during pregnancy or breastfeeding are factors that deserve

more attention. A UNICEF Report states that only 23 per cent of

pregnant women living with HIV undertook ART in 2009 because of

factors like social customs and family restrictions. UN AIDS Report

2015 highlights that 39.5 per cent of HIV infected adults in India were

women, and that this was a growing proportion, while two years ago it

was reported that HIV prevalence for women who inject drugs was

almost double that of men.

Thirdly, the Bill fails to include provisions for the protection of

people who are most vulnerable to contracting the disease, for instance,

people frequently using contaminated injection equipment. Under

Section 2 of the Bill, definition should have included vulnerable

people, what is known as the most at risk population (MARP), which

would include transgender women, men who have sex with men,

female sex workers, and people who inject drugs. Also, proposed

deletion of clause 22 which relates to strategies for reduction of risk of

HIV transmission, is needed as it protects the legality of needle and

syringe exchange.

Civil courts have the rights to fully address the employment

discrimination only in public sector. It is important that courts should


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be conferred power to address discrimination in private sector as well

to make it inclusive and effective.

(t2/1510/sr-nk)

The Bill does not elucidate on the legal dissonance between its

provisions of non-discrimination and other Acts and case laws that

discriminate against sex workers, homo-sexual and transgender.

In conclusion, the stigma attached to HIV/AIDS victims in India

remains intense despite the ongoing effort of the Government. The

stigma is not only confined to social obstacles but economic too. With

the advent of the Bill, the first step has been initiated to stop the spread

of disease and also help those who have been infected by HIV and

AIDS through ART. Even if it cannot do away with the stigma itself,

the law offers a clear legal recourse. To successfully eradicate HIV/

AIDS by 2030, the process would require a high degree of commitment

and thus would equally require steps to address the shortcomings. We

should fill up the gap and ensure far-reaching impact of the Bill.

In the end, I would like to mention as to what has been done by

the Chief Minister of West Bengal Kumari Mamata Banerjee. She has

initiated a programme called ‘MuktirAlo’ for the sex workers, that is,

skill development and vocational training for the sex workers. Thank

you.

(ends)

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1512 hours

SHRI LADU KISHORE SWAIN (ASKA): Hon. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I

rise to speak in support of the HIV/AIDS (Prevention and Control) Bill,

2017.

I commend the efforts of the Government and the hon. Minister

for coming up with this Bill. This Bill has been placed for safeguarding

the rights of people living with HIV or affected by HIV. The provisions

of the Bill seek to address HIV-related discrimination, strengthen the

existing programme by bringing in legal accountability and establish

formal mechanisms for inquiring into the complaints and redressing the

grievances.

The Bill seeks to prevent and control the spread of HIV and

AIDS, prohibits discrimination against persons with HIV and AIDS,

provides for informed consent and confidentiality. With regard to their

treatment, it places obligations on establishments to safeguard the

rights of persons living with HIV and having mechanisms for

redressing complaints. The Bill also aims to enhance access to

healthcare services by ensuring informed consent and confidentiality

for HIV-related testing, treatment and clinical research.

The Bill lists various grounds on which discrimination against

HIV positive persons and those living with them is prohibited. These

include the denial, termination, discontinuation or unfair treatment with

regard to employment, establishments, healthcare services, residing or

renting property, standing for public or private office, etc.


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Further, the Bill also prohibits any individual from publishing

information or advocating feelings of hatred against HIV positive

persons and those living with them. The Bill requires that no person

shall be compelled to disclose his/her HIV status except with his/her

informed consent, and if required, by a court order. Establishments

keeping records of information of HIV positive persons shall adopt data

protection measures.

There are more than 20 lakh persons estimated to be living with

HIV in India. Even though the prevalence of HIV is decreasing over the

last decade, the Bill would provide essential support to National AIDS

Control Programme in arresting new infections and thereby achieving

the target of ‘Ending the Epidemic by 2030’, according to Sustainable

Development Goals.

I would like to draw the attention of the hon. Minister towards

my parent district Ganjam, Odisha which I am representing in this

august House. It is more often known as the top-most HIV and AIDS

prone district in the country due to huge number of out-migration of

labour to distant places of Gujarat and Maharashtra.

(u2/1515/kmr/rjs)

Usually, the male members of the family migrate, and the rest of

the family left behind at the place of origin also suffers this disease in

due course. There are no sophisticated hospitals to check this fatal

disease and no new jobs are created in those areas to minimise the

migration of labourers.

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Hence, I would like to reiterate that this Bill puts an obligation on

those institutions that keep personal records of patients to keep them

confidential for a variety of reasons. That is a welcome step. However,

there are instances in which, in stark contrast to this, the Government is

asking patients to reveal their AADHAAR numbers in order to avail

certain kinds of services and benefits. This Bill does not mandate any

disclosure that patient should make for availing services. In respect of

the privacy of personal information, institutions should not ask for

AADHAAR numbers or any such information which will push these

patients into an uncomfortable zone.

Reports say several patients in Madhya Pradesh and elsewhere

have refused to take free medicines and other services owing to the fear

that linking their AADHAAR numbers will reveal their identity and

expose them.

I would request the hon. Minister to give clarity on this aspect as

to how the Government intends to deal with this situation.

Thank you.

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1517 hours

DR. RAVINDRA BABU (AMALAPURAM): Thank you, Mr. Deputy

Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. On behalf of Telugu

Desam Party, we wholeheartedly support this Bill and congratulate the

Minister for bringing forward a lot of historical Bills like the ones on

Mental Healthcare, etc.

Sir, when we talk about AIDS, we are always reminded of the

stigma that goes with it. A stigma is something which cannot be

eradicated with a law. It has to be eradicated through many other means

too. So, let us change the name first. The predecessor of AIDS is

Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STD). After that, we have named a

certain group of diseases as a syndrome which is called Acquired

Immune Deficiency Syndrome. A syndrome always means a number of

diseases put together. Before AIDS there is another precondition which

is called HIV Positive. Once a person is tested HIV Positive, for him to

develop AIDS it may take 10 years to 20 years and in some cases he

may not even get AIDS while remaining HIV Positive. Therefore, these

two stages of the disease – HIV Positive and HIV becoming AIDS –

should have been dealt with separately.

The countries which have been listed as having been more prone

to this condition are Nigeria, South Africa and India. If you see the

profiles of patients of AIDS, most of them suffer from chronic

malnutrition and under nutrition. Most of the symptoms and signs of

AIDS just mimic tuberculosis. These symptoms are exactly like those

of tuberculosis like losing weight, losing appetite, suffering from


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diarrhea and patients ultimately die of weightlessness. They die like

AIDS or tuberculosis patients only.

In the history of human civilization if you look at the stigmatized

diseases or disorders, one of them is leprosy. Whenever somebody was

tested as Lepra Bacilli Positive, he used to be excommunicated from

the society, kept outside the village or outside the towns. Another

disease is tuberculosis. When a person becomes a patient of

tuberculosis, people used to shunt him out of houses. Now it is the

AIDS which has come and AIDS will go too.

Virulence of AIDS virus has come down drastically off late, and

detection of AIDS cases also has come down drastically. That is

because an WHO report by a scientist said that it is to be debated

whether AIDS is really AIDS or it is a transformed phase of

tuberculosis. There is a debate on this.

(w2/1520/gm-rps)

There is a big confusion among the medial scientists also. A big

debate is going on whether AIDS is a separate disorder as distinct from

tuberculosis or it has only to do with the Sexually Transmitted

Diseases. If that is so, let us call it Sexually Transmitted Diseases.

Why do we label it separately as AIDS and make the patients suffer

from stigma? People acquire AIDS whenever they indulge in unsafe

sexual practices; same thing used to happen in STDs also. Diseases like

syphilis, gonorrhea, chanchroid etc. are transmitted whenever people

indulged in unsafe sexual practices. AIDS also spreads like this only.

The only difference is that in case of STDs, the symptoms come within

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one week of the exposure whereas symptoms of AIDS appear after 15

or 20 years. Therefore, I urge upon the Health Minister to have a little

research on this issue. Instead of labelling it AIDS, can we not rename

it as Sexually Transmitted Diseases or some other malnutrition or

under-nutrition related symptom? It is because I feel that sexual

exposure is only incidental or ancillary to the development of AIDS.

Otherwise, there are so many people who are exposed to unsafe sexual

practices, especially the homosexuals. Dr. Ratna De (Nag) has spoken

about it. Homosexuals indulge in unsafe sexual practices but majority

of them do not develop AIDS; very few of them will become HIV

positive and even fewer of them will develop AIDS. Is there any

mutation of the tubercle bacilli which can be called AIDS? There is a

big confusion. So, instead of dwelling on AIDS per se, let us also think

of renaming it as Sexually Transmitted Diseases. Of course, we are

passing this Bill in pursuance of some memorandum or some

international agreement. In the international medical fraternity also,

there is an intense debate whether AIDS is really caused by Sexually

Transmitted Diseases or it is a state of tuberculosis wherein sexual

exposure is accidental or incidental.

I definitely support this Bill which has excellent provisions. But

I would urge upon the Health Minister to please look into the matter

backed by professional research.

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1523 hours

DR. BOORA NARSAIAH GOUD (BHONGIR): Hon. Speaker Sir, I

thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak on the Human

Immunodeficiency Virus and Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome

(Prevention and Control) Bill, 2017. At the outset, let me say that we

fully support the Bill and I also congratulate the hon. Health Minister

who has brought this Bill which was pending for a long time.

Before I speak on the Bill, I would like to say a few words about

the hon. Health Minister Shri Jagat Prakash Nadda. When he took

charge as the Health Minister, we had a little apprehension that a

medical person was leaving and a non-medical person was taking

charge of the Health Ministry. But to the dismay of many people, he

brought tremendous changes recently with the introduction of new

health policy. I also take this opportunity to thank him on behalf of my

Government for allotting the AIIMS to Telangana State. I would also

urge upon the Government to give financial sanction for the AIIMS in

this budget only.

Regarding the AIDS, to be specific, it is not a disease alone. In

short, I want to say, ªÉc ÉÊn ãÉ B ÉEÉÒ, ÉÊnà ÉÉMÉ B É EÉÒ + ÉÉè® ¤Én xÉ BÉ EÉ Ò ¤É ÉÒàÉ É®ÉÒ cè* It affects

the body, it affects the mind and it affects the social status. That makes

it different from the other diseases. When somebody has a cancer, he

does not have any problem of social dislocation. If somebody has

diabetes, he does not have social dislocation. But even today, after so

many years of intensive campaign, any person who goes for a blood

test would be shivering with fear till he knows that the blood report is


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negative for HIV. That is the fear psychosis of the AIDS. This Bill

gives a lot of rights.

(x2/1525/rsg-raj)

We in the medical profession many times see patients who are

suffering and coming for surgical procedures. Unfortunately, most of

these people are from the lower and middle income groups. They are

made to run from one hospital to another. Various excuses and reasons

are given for not giving treatment. This Bill will effectively deal with it

as it has punishment provisions for people who avoid rendering

services for these people. That is the most important aspect of this Bill

which I wholeheartedly welcome.

The next provision is regarding the healthcare providers. Most of

the time, people who already know that they are HIV positive but may

not be having transmissive AIDS would not like to disclose the

information to the various healthcare providers. That is where we say

universal precautionary measures should be taken treating every person

as a potential positive person. That is a teaching and indication as per

protocol given by the WHO.

There is a clause you have for healthcare establishments to take

up precautionary universal healthcare provisions for the healthcare

providers where you have reduced the number from 100 to 20. That is

good but I would like to say that there are various establishments like

blood sample collection centres where there would be only a maximum

four persons. Blood banks which are very risk-prone are not manned by

even two or three persons. If we stick to only 20 as a figure, we are

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going to deny the healthcare providers who are working in small

institutions where otherwise the owners of such institutions must be

taking all the steps to provide universal precautions. I request that while

formulating the guidelines or framing the rules you ensure that in every

establishment wherever there is a potential threat of transmission

universal precaution shall be provided.

My next point is regarding the tests. In our country, most people

are uneducated and do not know what tests are being done. If you go to

a hospital, you have got the master health check up. Every master

health check up has a HIV test; a test for Hepatitis virus is also a part of

every master health check up. Invariably, most of the people who

undergo the tests do not know that they are also being tested for HIV.

We cannot find fault only with the establishment. A high awareness

creation of this law among the healthcare providers should be done so

that every diagnostic centre and hospital takes the precaution that

people who come for routine and regular health check up also need to

be informed about these tests.

We regularly attend various marriages. Still arranged marriages

take place in our country. Most of the times we see social tensions and

violence after the marriage where a person who knows that he is HIV

positive prior to the marriage but does not disclose to the spouse’s

family. That causes a severe psychological strain on the entire family of

the spouse. This Bill has a provision to address that. Here, I am not

finding fault with the HIV positive person but I am finding fault with

those who know about it but do not disclose it to the family of the


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innocent girl or boy. That is absolutely a crime and there should be a

provision for punishment. The punishment should be much more than

what we have provided in this Bill. I hope, the hon. Minister will take

care of it.

I will take only two or three more minutes and conclude. This

Bill has been drafted very nicely. Even if it were given to a doctor, we

may not have done such a good job.

(y2/1530/rk-ind)

The job of ombudsman is very nice. Most of the time people

cannot go to the court and file a case. They do not have time for this.

Somebody may have some health emergency like Appendicitis and if

the hospital denies him the treatment, he cannot go and fight the legal

battle. Not only the State Government institutes, any institution

engaging more than 25 people or having a 50-bed hospital, should have

the ombudsman so that people can get their grievances redressed. In

fact, I would like to add a provision here to the effect that

compensation shall be paid to the HIV positive person if he undergoes

mental stress because of denial of treatment. There should be an

element of economic liability on the part of the establishment. It will

be helpful if you take this into account.

As one of my colleagues has told earlier, AIDS does not come

alone. We know that this happens because of social and biological

reasons or because of migration. Adequate nutrition and adequate

protection should be mandatory. With good nutrition we can prolong

death and in some cases even prevent it. Not only HIV, AIDS is also

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preventable. State and Central Government should be mobilised to

extend special welfare measures to these people. With these words, I

wholeheartedly support the Bill. Thank you very much.

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1532 hours

SHRI VARAPRASAD RAO VELAGAPALLI (TIRUPATI): Like

many of my other colleagues, I also congratulate the hon. Minister for

bringing out a wonderful legislation.

In fact, we believe that prevention is better than cure and I think

we have to put that into practice. It is extremely essential. Although

the number of deaths is coming down, every year the number of people

with AIDS is increasing, which means the control is not very effective.

I would say that both control and prevention should be made very

effective. The more vulnerable group is women and children who need

a special focus. We should have some roadmap to help these two

vulnerable people because most of them are innocent. Except very few,

most of the women are victims because of their husbands or male

spouses. Therefore, some special care should be taken for the women

and the children.

We do not have comprehensive coordinated efforts on part of the

State Governments and the Central Government. We need a

comprehensive coordinated effort at the regional as well as at the

national level. This only can result in effective control of the disease.

Sir, as I mentioned earlier, the number of deaths is coming down

but the number of people having AIDS is increasing every year. For

instance, in 2015 alone as many as 86,000 new cases have been added,

which means we have to be extremely careful. We believe that we are

taking a lot of efforts but they are not really yielding results. We need

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I think we have to give special attention to the female sex

workers, particularly at few places like Mumbai and Kolkata where the

female sex workers are more. We need to have a special programme,

both in terms of awareness and treatment, for them. Denial of

treatment or other things should also be made a criminal offence

because only then the officers concerned or the doctors would be

careful in giving treatment to them.

With regard to ombudsman, I would say that though we are

bringing out such a big legislation there is not even a single pie

commitment on behalf of the Government. We have been doing it

earlier but as far as this Bill is concerned, there is no financial

commitment. So, I would suggest that instead of putting the

responsibility of Ombudsman on the State Governments, the

Government of India should take this responsibility. So far as the

nodal officer’s responsibility is concerned, at least in big

establishments having more than 100 people, some incentive may be

given to the companies which appoint exclusive nodal officers so that

awareness could be created and some redressal mechanism could be

evolved in the company itself.

(z2/1535/ps-vb)

Sir, no doubt insurance is extremely essential and it has to be

made compulsory and the premium has to be paid by the Government

for the simple reason that most of the victims are poor and illiterate. To

safeguard the families and the children, I think the premium has to be

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paid and the minimum sum assured has to be fixed so that the families

could be benefited.

We have been saying that we should have a complete eradication

of AIDS by 2030, but we do not have any roadmap. Unless we have a

clear-cut plan in a comprehensive manner, I do not think that we will

be achieving it, but the years will roll on.

Unfortunately, India has the lowest allocation in the world for

health as a percentage of GDP. We should give more priority to

education and health. But, unfortunately, the Government of India is

not giving more priority as far as the allocation is concerned both for

health and education. So, for health, I think we need to have more

allocation as a percentage of GDP.

Sir, penal action should also be there for non-compliance.

Otherwise, some of the doctors could always deny and some of the

druggists could always say that they do not have the provision of the

stock of drugs. So, the penal action should be taken against the doctors

who deny and also against those people who are responsible for

stocking the drugs.

One more important thing is about the provision of immediate

administration of the antiretroviral drug. I think instead of using this

word, it is being rectified. It should be made compulsory for all the

people immediately so that the disease does not spread and become

acute. I am sure that the hon. Minister will take care of that.

In many cases, we have been seeing in the newspapers that there

is shortage of drugs particularly in the rural areas as well as in the semi-


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urban areas. I think that the shortage should be avoided totally because

even one loss of life is precious. We have also seen that the pediatric

drug, particularly concerning HIV, is not available in many places. So,

that is also extremely important. As hon. Members who spoke earlier

have mentioned, India is the third largest country in terms of the

incidence of this disease. I am sure that we need to have special

attention as far as this is concerned. With these few points, I once again

thank the Chair and I fully support the Bill.

(ends)

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now, Shri P.K. Biju. Only five minutes.


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1539 hours

SHRI P.K. BIJU (ALATHUR): Hon. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is a very

important subject. I do not find the Financial Memorandum and the

Statement of Objects and Reasons in the Bill. But the Government is

trying to pass this Bill. Some NGOs are doing this work. This Bill will

allot more money to improve the situation in our country.

The hon. Supreme Court of India has directed the Central

Government to give ART medicine to all HIV victims. But, the

Government is not able to explain what it is going to do in this regard.

As per the representation filed before the highest court of this country,

the Government has said that the ART medicine for each patient would

cost around Rs.28,500. If we cannot give that much of amount for the

victim of HIV, how can we cure the patients in this country? We have

started our journey in 1986 and established a National HIV and AIDS

Policy and we have also established National AIDS Control

Organisation (NACO). We have seen 50 per cent reduction in the

number of new HIV infection. It is very good. Besides the Government,

some NGOs are also taking part in this big work.

(a3/1540/rc/pc)

India has demonstrated reduction of 57 per cent in estimated anti-

new HIV infections from 0.274 million in 2000 to 0.116 million in

2011. The total estimated HIV affected persons in our country are 2.08

million as per a report of 2011. We had started the National AIDS

Control Programme in 1992 and again in 1999. In 2009, India

established the National HIV and AIDS Policy and the World of Work.

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In 2011, the United Nations directed various Governments to

manufacture generic ART in their respective countries. What steps

have been taken in our country to manufacture generic antiretroviral

drug in our country?

This Bill has been drafted nicely. It is a good Bill. HIV is very

much influencing our population. It is also influencing our GDP and

economy. This Bill aims to end this epidemic by 2030 in accordance

with the Sustainable Development Goals that we are discussing. Last

year also, we had discussed ten Goals which we are going to achieve as

per the directive of global community. We are now discussing the

Sustainable Development Goals. We are aiming to achieve an HIV-

free nation by 2030 which is one of the goals.

Presently, around one lakh persons are living with HIV in our

country. This Bill has been drafted to safeguard the rights of the people

who are affected by HIV. The provisions of the Bill seek to address the

HIV related discriminations. In my State of Kerala, we have seen that

the rehabilitation of an HIV-affected person is very difficult. Some of

the NGO are working in this field but the rehabilitation process is very

difficult. The education of the HIV-affected persons and their children

is very much difficult in schools. The schools are not ready to allow

those children to study along with other students in their schools.

Some such incidents also happened in Kerala in some places. The

Government has taken a strong step so that those students can study in

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The Bill also aims to enhance access to healthcare services by

ensuring consent and confidentiality for HIV-related testing, treatment

and other counselling research services. This is very much important.

Sometimes it is disclosed that such and such person is affected by HIV

without his consent. With the result, they are not able to rent their

houses. They are not allowed to work. Their situation becomes very

bad. Every HIV-affected person below the age of 18 years has the right

to reside in a shared house and enjoy the facility of the household. But

that is not happening throughout the country. So many awareness

programmes are going on in the country but they are not workable. I

think not only the Government but the entire nation should be involved

in awareness programmes with the help of brochures and classes. Then

only we can create a situation for the betterment of HIV-AIDS affected

persons.

(b3/1545/snb-mz)

Sir, this Bill prohibits any individual from publishing information

or advocating or nursing hatred against HIV positive persons and those

living with them. No person shall be compelled to disclose his or her

HIV status except with their informed consent and if required by the

court order. The State and Central Government should ensure

prevention of spread of HIV and AIDS and anti-retroviral virus and

also ensure access to welfare schemes, especially for women and

children. Every person in the care and custody of the State shall have

right to HIV prevention, testing, treatment and counselling services.

These are very much lacking today. Even in case of dialysis, no

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hospital is ready to accept their requests. Even the Government

hospitals are not ready to accept requests of dialysis patients and some

other patients. The HIV patients are not getting proper medical

treatment in our hospitals. This is something very alarming. I think,

Government should come out with some financial support to the States

to ensure protection of the HIV patients and their rehabilitation and

treatment in their respective States.

Thank you.

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1547 hours

DR. HEENA VIJAYKUMAR GAVIT (NANDURBAR): Hon. Deputy-

Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me this opportunity to participate in

the discussion on the Human Immunodeficiency Virus and Acquired

Immune Deficiency Syndrome (Prevention and Control) Bill, 2017. I

rise to support the Bill. This is one of the very good Bills drafted by the

Ministry of Health and Family Welfare. Last week we passed the

Mental Health Care Bill and this week we are passing the HIV and

AIDS (Prevention and Control) Bill. I think this shows the commitment

of this Government and I would like especially thank our hon. Prime

Minister, Modi ji and also our hon. Health Minister Nadda ji for having

taken this initiative of working and getting Bills like Mental Health and

HIV and AIDS (Prevention and Control) Bill because these people, the

people affected with these diseases, are one of those who are isolated,

ignored and neglected in the society and are not given the human rights

they deserve as an individual. So, I would like to congratulate the hon.

Minister for having brought forward this Bill.

Sir, I would like to highlight as to why this Bill is so important.

My other colleagues who spoke before me have already said that India

has the third highest number of patients infected with HIV. I would like

to also highlight some data here. In 2015, 2.1 million people were

living with HIV; 0.3 per cent adult HIV prevalence; 86000 new HIV

infections; 68000 AIDS related deaths and 43 per cent adult on

antiretroviral treatment. The Bill has very good provisions.


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First of all, I would like to mention that when a person who is

suffering with HIV is not given respect and there is a social stigma

attached to this disease. That has been removed by the provisions of

this Bill. This Bill says that there is a prohibition of discrimination of a

person. We have seen what happens in most of the work places. Earlier

when somebody who was HIV infected was working, he was purposely

for some or the other reason was removed from that employment. The

simple reason was that the person was HIV infected. Also, if we look at

children studying in schools they are not treated like other children just

because their parents or they are HIV infected. This stigma that comes

with HIV and AIDS has been removed and I would like to thank the

hon. Minister for taking this remarkable step as far as the HIV and

AIDS patients are concerned.

Sir, I myself am a physician and I have seen that a patient who

has already made his health and insurance policy and later on if he or

she gets HIV infected, there is a clause in the insurance policies which

excludes HIV. It says that insurance would be provided to all patients

excluding HIV patients.

(c3/1550/ru-bks)

My request to the hon. Minister is, this clause should be removed

because that person who has taken that health policy or the life policy

should not be discriminated on the basis of HIV infection. This point

should be given importance.

Secondly, if a couple is HIV infected and their health status is

good, their CD4 count is good, they have not acquired any

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opportunistic infection and they are leading a good life, such a couple

should be given the right of adoption. This has not been covered under

this Bill. I request the hon. Minister that such couples, after doing

medical examination, should be given an opportunity for adoption.

Adoption rights should be given to such couples after their medical

examination.

Another important issue that has been highlighted is, any testing

relating to HIV would be done on informed consent. This is very good

step that the Ministry has taken.

The Bill also says about certain cases where consent is not

required. It says that if a court says that HIV test needs to be done, no

consent is required. If any part of the HIV infected person like blood,

semen, etc. is used for therapy or research, consent is not required. I

think, this is a welcome step.

All the points covered in the Bill are very good. My suggestion

is, in some medical conditions, when we admit a patient to a hospital,

we do not do HIV testing. But in cases where a patient is having fungal

infection like PCP pneumonia, if a person is having cryptococcal

meningitis, such other kinds of infections that are not responding to

treatment and we are suspecting that the patient may have HIV, then

HIV testing should be done irrespective of consent. It is to save the life

of the patient whom the physician is treating. All these things should

be taken into consideration.

My colleague mentioned about medical establishments like blood

banks. For screening purposes, in licensed blood banks, we have made


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a provision that no consent is required. Similarly, we should also have

this law applicable to all the blood banks which are collecting blood

under this law.

We have seen that when a patient is going to a hospital and he is

HIV positive, most of the time, the private hospitals deny admitting

that patient. They say that they do not have ventilators, they do not

have hemodialysis machines for these patients. My request is, it should

be made mandatory in every hospital to have a ventilator and a

hemodialysis which they have for other patients who are non-HIV

infected. If they are having ventilators for them, then for HIV infected

patients also, they should have this facility. If only on the ground that

the patient is HIV infected, admission is denied in that hospital, then

that case also should be considered.

Government of India has taken up test and treat policy. Under

this, we should also see to it that, if a doctor or a staff member who is

working in a hospital get a prick of any patient who is not diagnosed of

HIV and that person has got a prick, the patient’s HIV testing should be

done. In the Bill, we have the post exposure profile access. If a doctor

or a staff member gets a needle prick of a HIV infected patient, we

give a post exposure profile access but for patients who are not

diagnosed HIV positive, if a doctor or a staff member or any healthcare

provider gets a needle prick or gets injected by the needle, I think, it

should be made mandatory that that patient’s test should be done. It is

not only for the doctor or the staff but if that patient is accidentally

found HIV positive, then it will be in his benefit also. His treatment


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will be started and we can save the life of the patient whose prick is

being given.

I have seen that outside most of the tertiary healthcare

Government hospitals, there are many private labs. Anybody in these

private labs, without taking consent, takes the blood sample and does

the HIV testing.

(d3/1555/rbn/gg)

This Bill has made a very good provision that no HIV test shall

be conducted or performed by any testing or diagnostic centre or

pathology lab or blood bank unless such centre or laboratory or blood

bank follows the guidelines. This is very important. Any laboratory, a

very small laboratory established outside these big hospitals do these

tests without taking the consent of the patient. So, I think, this is very

important.

Today, what is important in the country is educating the youth,

educating the school-going children about these diseases. These

diseases are not only infected by sexual transmission but also by IV

drug abuse. So, it is very important for us to include all these

curriculum in the school syllabus also.

My request to the hon. Minister is about the disclosure of HIV

status. We have made a provision in the Bill that doctors can disclose

the HIV status to the partner in case the HIV infected partner is not

willing. This is a welcome step. … (Interruptions)

My next point is about confidentiality of data. Many a times what

happens is that we hold the hospital responsible if the data is leaked

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about any HIV infected person. My request is that instead of holding

the hospital responsible, we should hold the person who has leaked the

data and he should be punished.

I have worked in a Government hospital and I would like to share

my experience here. I am a physician and so I would like to especially

share this experience. We have treated a lot of HIV infected patients.

When a patient comes to the Emergency, the doctor’s duty is to first

save the life of the patient. Many a times in Government hospitals,

gloves are not there. We are talking about universal precautions. If a

patient comes, say with diarrhoea, he is almost about to die if we do not

treat him, should the doctor wait for the gloves to come or should he go

ahead and treat the patient? So, what is the priority? Should we follow

the universal precautions? During that course, if the doctor or the staff

gets infected with the HIV, then who should be held responsible?

Should it be the doctor who did not follow the universal precautions or

should it be the medical establishment, the hospital, which has not

provided the gloves? There are many cases where even doctors and

staff have been infected with HIV in the course of saving the lives of

the patients. So, I think in such cases compensation should be given to

the doctor or the staff who has got infected with this.

I would like to raise a very important point. We have post

exposure profile access for doctors or nurses who have got pricked with

HIV infected person. But in sexual assault cases, like in rape cases, we

do not give post exposure profile access to the affected girl or the

affected female. This should be made mandatory that if a rape case or a


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sexual assault case is noticed and brought to the police station, the first

thing we should do is we should give this post exposure profile access.

My colleague was talking about CD4 count. I would like to

mention here that CD4 count is important for giving ART treatment. I

would like to specially mention that these days viral load is more

important while giving ART before CD4 takes time to drop. But viral

load increases faster. We do not have adequate facilities for doing the

viral load.

All the complicated cases come to the JJ Hospital which is the

centre of excellence for the State of Maharashtra. I have worked in that

Hospital. So, I would like to especially give that example. When a

patient who is HIV infected and complicated, comes to this centre of

excellence and we send the sample for viral load, there are not adequate

kits available for viral load. This is very important because early

detection of treatment failure can be addressed at an earlier stage. So,

my request to you is that this issue should be taken up on priority.

Lastly, I would like to mention here that pre-marriage counselling

is very important. In the Bill we have mentioned HIV related diseases.

But it should be health related diseases because not everybody will be

ready HIV related pre-marriage counselling. So, health related pre-

marriage counselling should be done.

With these words, I support the Bill. Thank you.

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HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Dr. Shrikant Eknath Shinde, please speak

very briefly and conclude your speech within three minutes.


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DR. SHRIKANT EKNATH SHINDE (KALYAN): Mr. Deputy

Speaker, Sir, I thank you for giving me an opportunity to speak on this

important Bill.

I would like to congratulate the Health Minister for introducing

this Bill. Nearly 21 lakh people live with HIV in India and looking at

this 21 lakh population, the Bill has been drafted to safeguard the rights

of the people living with HIV and affected by HIV, address HIV related

discrimination and strengthening the existing programme by bringing

in legal accountability. After this Bill becomes law, no HIV person can

be treated unfairly to live his day-to-day life whether at work or

educational institutes or public or private offices. No person shall be

compelled to disclose his or her HIV status except with their informed

consent.

(f3/1605/kkd/rv)

But at the same time, as Dr. Heena Gavit rightly said, that pre-

marital HIV counselling should be made mandatory so that we can, in

future, save not one life, but two lives – life of the partner as well as of

the child.

Sir, the Bill mentions about “providing ART and management

of related infection ‘as far as possible.’” As also being a Member of

the Standing Committee on Health, we all strongly objected this word

‘as far as possible’ because by ‘as far as possible’, it does not give

treatment to every HIV infected person.

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Sir, as we see, there are 21 lakh HIV-positive persons; and only

25.82 per cent receive ART treatment against the global percentage of

41. There are 1.96 lakh new infected patients with HIV. In the year

2015, 1.31 lakh persons lost their lives due to AIDS. So, when we talk

about strengthening our existing infrastructure, we should also look at

these alarming figures and we should strengthen all our PHCs,

hospitals and clinics. This ART should be made available to each and

every HIV-infected person.

Sir, I also understand the financial burden in the health sector, but

the life threatening infections/conditions related to HIV should be

covered, and treatment should be given free of cost including treatment

of tuberculosis and hepatitis.

Sir, another very good and welcome step taken by this

Government is about the role of the Ombudsman. But the Bill does

not specify a timeframe within which the Ombudsman must pass an

order. The Standing Committee recommended that ‘in case of medical

emergency, the order should be passed within 15 days, and in case of

life saving treatment, the order should be passed within 24 hours.’

The Bill also provides for that ‘every HIV-infected or the

affected person below of age of 18 years, has the right to reside in the

shared household and enjoy the facility of the household’. It is also a

welcome step by the Government. But at the same time, I would like to

know as to what about ‘after 18 years’. We should also try to give

social security and social rehabilitation to the HIV-infected persons.

This should also be considered in the Bill.


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Sir, I feel that all other points have already been covered by my

previous speakers. So, all these points as also the recommendations of

the Standing Committee should be given a serious thought in the Bill.

With these words, I conclude. Thank you very much.

(ends)


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SHRI ASADUDDIN OWAISI (HYDERABAD): Sir, I support the Bill

which has been moved here.

My request to the hon. Minister through you is this. Clause 6 is

regarding the ‘informed consent’. If the healthcare provider strongly

suspects that HIV is present, which will lead to more problems, can

such a provision be added wherein the health provider can go ahead

and take the test without informed consent?

My second point is related to Clause 14 – “as far as possible”.

Why can the Government not remove “as far as possible” and make it

for all patients?

Clause 10 relates to duty to prevent transmission of HIV. Why

can the Government not add some penal actions, I mean, some

punishment provisions?

The other issue is about the foreign funding. Usually, the foreign

NGOs were doing HIV prevention services. Now, it has declined a lot.

Will this Government enhance budgetary spending for this? Despite

effective ART, it is only 64 per cent. Can the Government enhance it

to 94 per cent so that we can achieve the goal of ending AIDS epidemic

by the year 2030?

At the same time, one major reason of death in HIV is presence

of opportunistic infection such as TB. Unfortunately, India has a very

high prevalence of TB. So, the Government or the Health Ministry

should also strengthen TB services and the ICT services. Thank you,

Sir. (ends)


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اہم بل پر مجھے بولنے کا موقع دیا۔ہوں کہ اپ نے اس

میں منتری جی کا دھیان دالنا چاہوں گا کہ یہ ایسی بیماری ہے جو نہ روتے بنتی

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میں ایچ۔ائی۔وی۔ کی بیماری سب سے زیاده ہے۔ اس بیماری سے لوگوں کو کیسی

نکالنا ہے، کیسے بچنا ہے اپ نے یہ بہت اچھی کوشش کی۔ میں مبارکباد دوں گا

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حاالت ہو رہے ہیں، میں منتری جی کا دھیان چاہوں گا کہ جیسے سگریٹ کے

Cigarette)پیکیٹ کے اوپر لکھ دیا جاتا ہے صحت کے لئے خطر ناک ہے

smoking is injurious for health) لیکن انسان ہاتھ میں اسی ڈبے کو لیتا ہے

پیتا ہے۔ میں سمجھتا ہوں کہ یہ لکھنے کی حد تک ٹھیک ہے۔ جیسے کی ابھی اور

ایک معزز ممبر نے کہا کہ کورٹ یا اسکول کالج کے باہر بورڈ لگا دیا جاتا ہے۔

اس معاملے میں بے اس سے زیاده اویرنیس کی ضرورت ہے۔ وه اپنی پروبلمس

بات کی طرف زیاده کے سولیوشن کے لئے کیا چاہتے ہیں، میرے خیال سے اس

دھیان دینے کی ضرورت ہے۔ ان کے عالج سے زیاده ان کو ریہیبلٹیٹ کرنے کی

ضرورت ہے، تاکہ یہ بیماری اور نہ پھیلے، اس کے لئے ایک ایک گھر میں ایک

ایک انسان کے ساتھ محنت کرنے کی ضرورت ہے۔ میں سمجھتا ہوں منتری جی

شکریہ۔۔ اس پر دھیان دیں گے۔ اپ کا بہت بہت


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SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN (KOLLAM): Sir, I rise to support

this Bill and also to take this opportunity to congratulate the hon.

Minister for having such a comprehensive Bill after detailed

discussions in the Standing Committee in Rajya Sabha and also in this

House.

Sir, we have reached an important milestone towards having an

HIV/AIDS specific legislation in India. It is a tremendous success due

to efforts of multiple stakeholders, especially the very vibrant civil

society and communities. Involvement of parliamentarians across party

lines in response to HIV, particularly through the Forum of

Parliamentarians on AIDS, is an excellent example of bipartisan nature

of work on priority development issues in India. I also appreciate that

the hon. Minister has accepted our collective appreciation and bringing

in this legislation.

Globally, there are 36.7 million people, who are living with HIV.

India has the third largest population of people living with HIV with an

estimated 21 lakh people, South Africa being number one and Nigeria

at two number. There was a time when India had reached the peak with

very high HIV burden. It is satisfying to note that the national HIV

epidemic has declined over the last 15 years or so. However, the rate of

decline in the epidemic has more or less slowed down during the last

four-five years.


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Sir, we hope that this Bill gives further boost to India’s efforts in

fulfilling the global commitments reiterated through the Political

Declaration at the High Level Meeting on AIDS at the UN General

Assembly in June, 2016. These include the commitments towards

achieving the fast track targets for 2020 as well as towards ending the

AIDS epidemic as a public health threat by 2030 as part of the

Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs).

Sir, I would also like to draw the attention of the Government on

two-three contentious parts of this Bill. The first is that people living

with HIV are still dying in our country, particularly when co-infected

with TB or Hepatitis-C, when we have knowledge and means to

prevent such deaths. This must be addressed on an urgent basis.

On the second issue, a number of hon. Members have already

spoken and the hon. Minister has given an assurance in the other House

as well. Clause 14 of the Bill is very specific that the Central

Government and State Governments may try their level best to give

measures for providing Anti-Retroviral drugs as far as possible. Our

suggestion is that ‘as far as possible’ may be deleted and a specific

assurance may be given in this House. It may also be assured that it

would be done even at the time of rule making.

Sir, India is known as the pharmacy of the world. Here, I would

like to share with this august House that India supplies more than 80

per cent of the Anti-Retroviral medicines globally to millions of people

living with HIV. I acknowledge the contribution of Indian

pharmaceutical companies for bringing revolution to the HIV treatment


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landscape. However, it is ironical that a country, which supplies

medicines to the entire world, seems to be hesitating in committing to

provide treatment to its own citizens, which is their right. We cannot

ignore the responsibility at home. Once again, I urge upon the

Government to consider this aspect.

The third point is that even with all the years of awareness and

education, we have instances of stigma and discrimination against

people living with HIV or those who are most at risk to the infection in

schools, hospitals and work places in our country. These are the

challenges we must particularly have in mind while enacting further

rules in this regard.

My last point is regarding discrimination. The discrimination is

also well addressed in this Bill. So, once again, I take this opportunity

to congratulate the Government. I fully support this Bill and since I

fully support this Bill I have not given any notices of amendments also.

Thank you, Sir.

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càÉå {É iÉÉ x ÉcÉ Ó S Éã ÉiÉÉ cè, ãÉä ÉÊB ÉExÉ there are many NGOs funded by the

Government of India who are intervening with the people living with

HIV or in risk areas where the chances of risk is much more by talking

to them, counselling them, making them aware, trying to see that how

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we can change their lifestyles and their working system so that they do

not get affected with HIV. <º ÉÉÊã ÉA càÉ AOÉäÉ ÊºÉ´É £É É Ò cé , +É ´É äªÉ®x Éä ºÉ £ÉÉ Ò cè + ÉÉè® ¤Éc ÖiÉ ºÉ ä

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ABÉ E ¤ÉÉiÉ +ÉÉ< Ç ÉÊBÉ E {ÉEÉÏ hbM É BÉEÉÒ o ÉÎ−] ºÉ ä < ºÉà Éå B ÉEÉä< Ç |ÉÉìÉÊ´ ÉVÉxÉ xÉc É Ó cè* càÉxÉ ä < ºÉà É å ¤É½ ä

º{É −] ¶É¤n Éå à Éå ªÉ c |É ÉìÉÊ´É VÉ x É ÉÊB ÉEªÉ É cè:

“… It will be the obligation of the Central and State

Governments for anti-retroviral treatment management

opportunistic infections as far as possible welfare schemes,

HIV-affected pregnant persons formulated IEC programs

…”.

+ Él ÉÉÇiÉ ªÉc º] ä]Â ºÉ + ÉÉè® ºÉ å] ® BÉEÉ Ò ÉÊV ÉààÉänÉ ®ÉÒ cè É ÊBÉ E ´Éä A+É É®]ÉÒ ]ÅÉ Ò]àÉå] n å* à Éé +ÉÉ{ ÉB ÉEä

ºÉ É l É < ºÉ ¤ÉÉi É B É EÉä ¶ÉäªÉ ® BÉ E®xÉÉ S ÉÉ cÚÆMÉÉ ÉÊ BÉE this is 100 per cent Centrally-

sponsored scheme. < ºÉ º BÉ EÉÒàÉ àÉ å càÉ xÉä ã É Éº] < ÇªÉ® c ÉÒ 2,000 BÉE ®Éä½ âó{ÉªÉä ÉÊ ºÉ{É E Ç

A+ÉÉ®]ÉÒ B É EÉÒ b ÅMº É B ÉEä ÉÊãÉ A JÉ S ÉÇ ÉÊB ÉEªÉ É cè, which is the highest ever. < ºÉ ä ÉÊ¤ÉãÉ àÉ å

ÉÊãÉJ ÉxÉ ä BÉ EÉÒ VÉ° ô®iÉ xÉc É Ó cè* We stand committed for it. ªÉc c àÉÉ®É Ò B É EÉÊàÉ]àÉ å] cè É ÊBÉ E

càÉ ASÉ+ É É< Ç´ÉÉÒ {Éä¶Éå] Â ºÉ BÉ EÉä | ÉEÉÒ ]ÅÉÒ]àÉå] nåMÉä* < ºÉ ä < ºÉ àÉå É Êã É JÉx Éä B ÉEÉÒ VÉ° ô® iÉ xÉcÉ Ó cè , ªÉ c

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{ÉÉìÉÊãÉ º ÉÉÒ BÉ EÉÒ ¤É ÉiÉ BÉ Ec ÉÒ MÉ ªÉÉÒ cè * This is the commitment of the Government.

< ºÉ ä ÉÊãÉ JÉx É ä BÉ EÉÒ V É°ô®i É x É cÉÓ cè* India has adopted 90:90:90. càÉÉ®ÉÒ º] Åä] ÂVÉ ÉÒ ªÉc c è

that 90 per cent of the estimated people living with HIV know their

status. càÉ =xÉBÉ EÉä +É´Éäª É ® BÉE® ÉAÆMÉ ä* 90 per cent of those who know their status

are linked to anti-retroviral treatment. V ÉÉä º]ä] ºÉ BÉ EÉä VÉ É xÉiÉä cé , =xÉBÉ EÉÒ ]Å ÉÒ]àÉå]

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he/she will be put on ART. càÉ +É É {ÉB ÉEä ºÉ Él É ªÉc ¶É äªÉ® BÉ E®xÉÉ S ÉÉ ciÉä c é* < ºÉ ÉÒÉÊã ÉA VÉ¤É

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ÉÊ®BÉ EàÉébå¶ ÉÆ ºÉ nÉÒ cè , which we are accepting. But, at the same time, the

concern of the hon. Member, Shri Premachandran was about it, hon.

Members from this side were concerned about it. I assure them that the

Government is committed for every patient even single patient, nobody

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will be left out. That is what I would like to say and the treatment will

be given by the Government side.

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SHRI ADHIR RANJAN CHOWDHURY (BAHARAMPUR): Nadda

ji, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that Anti-Retroviral

Therapy stands at a mere 25.82 per cent against the global percentage

of 41. àÉ é àÉÉx ÉxÉÉÒªÉ àÉ ÆjÉÉÒ VÉÉ Ò ºÉä AB ÉE ¤É Éi É +É Éè® {ÉÚUx É É SÉ ÉciÉ É cÚÆ* àÉÉx É ãÉÉÒ ÉÊVÉ A ÉÊBÉE + ÉÉ{É ÉÊ BÉEº ÉÉÒ

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MÉªÉÉ cè * àÉé ABÉ E ºÉ´ ÉÉãÉ +ÉÉ è ® {ÉÚUxÉÉ S É ÉciÉÉ cÚÆ É ÊB É E ASÉ + ÉÉ< Ç´ÉÉÒ ºÉä Ab Âº É ¤ÉÉ ÒàÉÉ®ÉÒ B ÉEÉ VÉ É ä °ô{ÉÉÆiÉ® hÉ

cÉäiÉÉ c è, < ºÉBÉ EÉ É ÊB ÉEiÉxÉ É |É É ÊiÉ ¶Éi É cè? … (Interruptions)

SHRI P.K. BIJU (ALATHUR): We are very happy to see allocation of

Rs.2,000 crore for this treatment. As per the UN Report of 2012 about

the manufacture of generic anti-retroviral drug, what is our country’s

position? Are we going to manufacture ART in our own country or

going to import it from outside?

SHRI JAGAT PRAKASH NADDA: We are one of the leaders in the

manufacturing of the medicine, anti-retroviral drug. We are procuring

ART from the public market depending upon two things, the cost and

the quality. Without compromising these two things, we are purchasing

the drug. … (Interruptions) We have a very robust system. càÉÉ®ä A+ ÉÉ®]ÉÒ

ºÉ é]º ÉÇ ºÉ ¤ÉB ÉEÉ vªÉÉx É ®JÉ ® cä c é* We are not only connected with the patient, we

are also connected with the patient’s family. So, when the patient goes

somewhere, we know how to track him.

SHRI VARAPRASAD RAO VELAGAPALLI (TIRUPATI): I need a

small clarification. In one of his replies given on 12th August, 2016, you


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have indicated that the number of free treatment given is only 9.65

lakhs whereas we have recorded patients of HIV as many as 28.85 lakh.

How would it have happen?

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DR. HEENA VIJAYKUMAR GAVIT (NANDURBAR): I would like

to seek clarification on three very important issues. Hon. Minister has

said that ART would be given free to all the patients. Third line ART

has come where the cost of the drug is Rs.5 lakh or Rs.10 lakh. Will the

Government be paying the cost of these drugs also as the treatment

goes on for three or six months cycle, which is very expensive? Some

drugs of the ART cause toxicity. For the ART drugs causing toxicity,

would the Government be giving free treatment?

In the Bill they mentioned about legal guardian – that the HIV

patients can appoint legal guardian. Will the legal guardian also have

the powers to liquidate the property of the affected child? I am asking

this because till the child attains 18, if his or her property is liquidated

by the guardian, who will be held responsible?

(p3/1650/sr-vb)

The Bill has made a provision of anonymous HIV infected person

making complaint about some doctor? If the identity is anonymous,

Comment: shrimati hena gavit cd.

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somebody, out of rivalry or bitterness, about some doctor also can use

this clause. I want to seek clarification on all these issues.

SHRI JAGAT PRAKASH NADDA: The answer to your question is

this. When we were giving treatment, the CD count was 350, now the

CD count has come to 500, so, the number about the HIV positive

would be the same which you are saying. We will be giving the

treatment to them. That is about the figures which you talked about.

What you have said, we will try to include it in the rules and

regulations. We will see to it that these minor things which have to be

addressed will be taken into consideration in the rules and regulations.

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The question is:







consideration.”

The motion was adopted.

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The House will now take up clause by

clause consideration of the Bill.

The question is:

“That clauses 2 to 13 stand part of the Bill.”


Clauses 2 to 13 were added to the Bill.


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Clause 14

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shrimati Kavitha Kalvakuntla – Not

present.

The question is:

“That clause 14 stand part of the Bill.”


Clause 14 was added to the Bill.

Clauses 15 to 50 were added to the Bill.

Clause 1, the Enacting Formula, the Preamble and the Title were

added to the Bill.

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The Minister may now move that the Bill

be passed.

SHRI JAGAT PRAKASH NADDA: Sir, I beg to move:

“That the Bill be passed.”




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1701 hours

SHRI THOTA NARASIMHAM (KAKINADA): Hon. Deputy Speaker

Sir, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak on the Collection

of Statistics (Amendment) Bill, 2017. This is a very important Bill. I

support the Bill on behalf of the Telugu Desam Party. This Bill extends

its jurisdiction to Jammu and Kashmir for collection of statistics

pertaining to different subjects under the Union List or Concurrent List

of the Constitution, as applicable to Jammu and Kashmir.

Here I would like to mention the Collection of Statistics Act

1953. The 1953 Act was enacted to facilitate the collection of statistics

of certain kinds relating to industry, trade and commerce, which was

later extended to cover all kinds of statistics, not only relating to

industry, but also households, individuals and local governments. The

Act was later replaced by the Collection of Statistics Act, 2008. I want

to state that the Collection of Statistics (Amendment) Bill would extend

to the State of Jammu and Kashmir in terms of collection of data on

economic, demographic, social, scientific and environmental aspects,

covering the statistical subjects specified in List-1 of Union List which

were covered neither in the Collection of Statistics Act 2008 nor the

Jammu and Kashmir Collection of Statistics Act 2010 passed by the

State Legislature.

Since the 2008 Act did not apply to the State of Jammu and

Kashmir, the present amendment Bill seeks to fill the legislative vacuum

by extending the ambit of this Bill to the whole of India. Moreover, the


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concurrent jurisdiction to be exercised by the Centre in Jammu and

Kashmir had also not been provided for in the Collection of Statistics

Act 2008. The 2008 Act granted all States and Central Ministries and

Departments as well as Panchayats and municipalities the authority to

collect statistics on economic, demographic, social, scientific and

environmental aspects through statistical surveys by issuance of a

gazette notification. However, this excluded collection of statistics

relating to matters of the census, the Survey of India and anything

appearing in the Seventh Schedule. This amendment Bill hopes to

rectify that which is a positive outcome.

Sir, under this Bill, the Central Government or a State

Government or a Union Territory administration shall designate one of

its officers as a nodal officer for the purpose of supervision of activities

related to collection of statistics. The Bill enables such officer to seek

such information through telefax, telephone, email, or any other

electronic form, thereby bringing information collected through modern

techniques under the purview of the Bill. The officer would have the

right to approach any informant for collection of data and also to access

any relevant document in a person’s possession.

One positive aspect I would like to appreciate is that the Bill

provides security for such information being used only for statistical

purposes and no such information provided can be used as evidence for

prosecution. Thank you.

(ends)

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1705 hours

DR. A. SAMPATH (ATTINGAL): Thank you, Deputy-Speaker Sir. I

would like to support the Bill. Prima facie, this Bill is very innocent,

just as we see the smiling face of Shri Sadananda Gowda but through

you I would like to get certain clarifications from the hon. Minister.

The Collection of Statistics (Amendment) Bill, 2017 has, as I

understand, one part connected with the States of India; and the other

part is for Jammu and Kashmir. I have no difference of opinion

regarding the Statement of Objects and Reasons but I would like to get

certain clarifications from him. In the first paragraph itself it says:

“The Collection of Statistics Act, 2008 (7 of 2009) was

enacted to facilitate collection of statistics on economic,

demographic, social, scientific and environment aspects by

the Ministries or Departments at the Centre or the States or

Union territories or by local Governments.”

The Financial Memorandum says:

“Clause 4 of the Bill empowers the Central Government or

a State Government or Union territory administration to

designate one of its officers as a nodal officer.”

In the Memorandum Regarding Delegated Legislation, para 1

says:

“Clause 4 of the Bill empowers the Central Government to

make rules on powers and duties of a nodal officer, who

may be designated to coordinate and supervise such

statistical activities in the Central Government or a State

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Here, the rules are made by the Union Government. The officer

may be either an officer of a Union Territory or a State or of the

Government of India. I pray no such occurrence happens but since

here it says, ‘the officer may be’, we have discuss and find some via

media to sort this out because we believe in co-operative federalism.

There should be no conflict between the Government of India and the

Governments in the various States.

In many States, there are no rules. If we are enacting this, many

rules are to be made by the State Governments concerned. In many

States there are no rules because many of the State Governments I

understand – if I am wrong I would be happy to be corrected – have no

statute by the State Legislature. What are the powers? Who is going to

monitor them?

Coming to the Statistical Academy, the Minister knows very well

that with the help of the Government of India various State

Governments were requested to start their statistical academies. One

statistical academy was given to the State of Kerala and fortunately it

was proposed to be started in my constituency. I hope that it would be

started. I believe that it would not be snatched away by somebody else

from among my colleagues.

Regarding the funding pattern, the project that was in existence

under the funding pattern during 2011-12 has to continue. That funding

pattern has to continue. The name of the project was India Statistical

Strengthening Project. What is its present condition?


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Regarding agricultural statistics, here many of the newspapers

have covered the issue. This Bill was tabled in the House but it took

quite a long time where quite a lot of other Bills came in between and

this was put just like a train which was coming late. The hon. Minister

was earlier in charge of Railways. He was the Union Minister of

Railways and we were constantly banging at his door with quite a lot of

memorandums. Just like that, we were also waiting. … (Interruptions)

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please conclude now. We have to pass the

Bill.

… (Interruptions)

DR. A. SAMPATH (ATTINGAL): We can pass the Bill. I am not

opposing it. I am only supplementing something for the sake of the

House. Very few Members are here; most of them have already left for

the constituencies. You and I and only some more hon. Members are

here. … (Interruptions)

Regarding the Aadhar card, I think the hon. Supreme Court made

a ruling and said that the Government can make Aadhar mandatory for

opening bank accounts but not for availing benefits. For Centrally-

sponsored schemes and other beneficial schemes, data is necessary.

One newspaper has stated it and thousands and thousands of complaints

are pouring in, not only for us but to the Ministers also.

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In one case, against the column ‘sex’ male was entered for a

female. In such a case the Aadhaar becomes futile. In another case, it

has been reported in various media reports, I am not quoting all the

reports, a person who is above the age of 65 years, is shown as 36 years

old in his Aadhaar Card. How can he avail of the benefits available to

a senior citizen? Questions have been asked as to how reliable are

India’s official statistics. I can give you one example, only with your

permission, Sir.

In 1981-91 and 1991-2000 Nagaland Census, officially it was

declared that the State population grew by 56.09 per cent and 64.53 per

cent respectively. Subsequently, in 2011 Nagaland’s population shrunk

by 0.47 per cent. If we have to depend on the official statistics, the

Government should come clean with the socio-economic data of 2011

Census. What about the Caste Census which was conducted? In a

nation where we are all bound to know what is happening, we are in

oblivion of the 2011 Census. The Members of Parliament do not know

anything about it. What was the Caste Census six years back has not

been revealed even in this House! Similar is the case with regard to

Below Poverty Line figure. I genuinely believe that these things are for

the benefit and welfare of the people. You also know, in our college

days… (Interruptions)

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HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You come to the point.

DR. A. SAMPATH (ATTINGAL): Yes, Sir.

I believe you will not term it as unparliamentary, ‘lie’ statistics.

Our statistics should be reliable. Estimates with regard to poverty lines

by various agencies differ but the poverty remains. I would like to talk

about the universal basic income. Through you, Sir, I would like to

know from the hon. Minister that when we are heading towards a

welfare State why can we not wholeheartedly make legislation for a

universal basic income.

I would like to know whether the below poverty line statistics is

arrived on the basis of the income of the family, per capita income, per-

capita consumption or calorie consumption per person per day. It

differs… (Interruptions)

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: This can be discussed in other forum.

DR. A. SAMPATH (ATTINGAL): There have been disagreements

between the statisticians in urban areas and rural areas. I have two

more points before concluding.

How many Indians are working abroad? In this august House we

have today discussed a similar matter. Cutting across Party lines - BJP,

Congress, TRS, TDP, AIADMK, CPI(M) or Independent Members -

our heart was with that man, our brother.

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You are diverting the whole issue. You

are not speaking on the issue.

DR. A. SAMPATH (ATTINGAL): I am going to conclude now.


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With regard to the Pravasi Suraksha Yojana, I would like to

know why the Government has decided to stop that welfare scheme. It

was the only welfare scheme where the immigration clearance was

required. The poor people who have not… (Interruptions)

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You are diverting the whole issue. You

are not speaking on the subject.

… (Interruptions)

DR. A. SAMPATH (ATTINGAL): From your State, Tamil Nadu, the

maximum number of people are now going abroad. Immigration

clearance is required for them.

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You are raising a number of issues which

are not related to this Ministry.

DR. A. SAMPATH (ATTINGAL): My humble request to the Minister

is that we have to render justice to the people living not only in India

but also to Indians working abroad to earn their livelihood.

(u3/1715/ps-rv)

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: What is this? We are discussing statistics

and you are talking about so many welfare schemes. You are diverting.

When we will discuss those departments then you can speak on that.

Please wind up.

DR. A. SAMPATH (ATTINGAL): During the presence of the hon.

Minister, I have said these things in this august House.

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HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: There would be so many occasions. For

another two years, you are going to be a Member of Parliament. Why

are you worrying? Please wind up.

DR. A. SAMPATH (ATTINGAL): This is a clear-cut legislation and I

support it. But, at the same time, I have to put my points to you.

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1715 hours

SHRI G. HARI (ARAKKONAM): Hon. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the

Collection of Statistics Bill, 2017 seeks to amend the Collection of

Statistics Act, 2008. The 2008 Act facilitates the collection of statistics

related to social, economic, demographic, scientific and environmental

aspects by Central, States and Local Governments. It allows the

appointment of statistics officers to collect information and contain

provisions to ensure security of information.

The Bill is to extend the jurisdiction of the Collection of Statistics

Act, 2008 to Jammu & Kashmir on statistics relevant to any matters

under any of the entries specified in the List-I and the List-III in the

Seventh Schedule to the Constitution. The Amendment will strengthen

data collection mechanism in the State of Jammu & Kashmir. The

Amendment will provide for extending the jurisdiction of the Act to

Jammu & Kashmir State in respect of matters not reserved for the State

as per the Constitution Order, 1954 and for appointing a nodal officer at

the Centre and in each State and Union Territory to effectively

coordinate data collection activities and provide consultation to

Government Departments for avoiding unnecessary duplication, etc.

Sir, I would like to suggest to the Union Government to incorporate a

provision into the proposed Bill. There should be a time-frame for

furnishing data or statistics and it has to be made binding on all because

the current status of statistics of some departments with regard to

adequacy, timeliness and reliability are far from satisfactory.


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Hon. Deputy Speaker, Sir, timely availability of statistics is the

essence of the efficiency of national statistical system. Statistics with a

long time gap or with faulty data or with backlogs may not be of much

use for policy making. It will deter the proper implementation of the

schemes. The efforts to improve agricultural, industrial and other

statistics at the ground level will have to be quick and precise. Only

then impact of statistical data on national level would produce desired

and proper result. This will help to improve the quality of life of people

for broad-based social transformation in development. The 2008 Act is

not applicable to Jammu and Kashmir. The Bill seeks to extend its

jurisdiction to Jammu and Kashmir for the collection of statistics

pertaining to subjects under the Union or the Concurrent list of the

Constitution. India is a vast country with "unity in diversity" character.

The statistics and compilation of data on multi-varied subjects are

absolutely essential for formulating policies and schemes. Therefore the

appropriate and accurate collection of data cannot be taken lightly.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Bill provides for the appointment

of a nodal officer by the Central or State Governments. The nodal

officer will coordinate and supervise statistical activities under the

government by whom he is appointed. The regional diversity and

special characteristics should be incorporated as data before devising

policies and schemes. The 2008 Act provides that the information

collected under it can only be used for statistical purposes. The Bill

removes this provision. It allows the Central Government to determine

the manner in which such information collected will be used, for

statistical purposes. Thank you, Deputy Speaker, Sir.

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1720 hours

SHRI VARAPRASAD RAO VELAGAPALLI (TIRUPATI): Hon.

Deputy Speaker, Sir, unfortunately we give very least priority to

Statistics. The adage goes, ‘lies, damn lies and statistics.’ Nevertheless,

we consider statistics extremely important for many welfare things.

(w3/1720/rc/rv)

I can say that statistics are very important. Therefore, its

streamlining and strengthening are extremely essential for a welfare

country like ours. At present, its coverage is extremely limited. It

could be made more comprehensive. For example, recently when the

GDP and GNP survey was done, many people were raising questions

about the veracity of the GDP - whether it is true or otherwise. It

means, we are following the same system of computation of GDP that

had been followed some decades back like going for the bills of

telephones and all that. It means that the computation is extremely

outdated. Therefore, I would request the hon. Minister to give a

thought to that and make it more up-to-date.

I know that this legislation is filling up a big vacuum in Jammu

and Kashmir as well as in the Concurrent List for which I congratulate

the hon. Minister. The Nodal Officer is extremely essential both for the

States as well as the Centre because it will avoid duplication and

provide authenticity. Therefore, that has to be made compulsory in all

the States.

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Presently, as I was telling, the collection of statistics is only for

limited purposes. But more important things are there to be covered

and I would request the hon. Minister to do that. The sphere of

statistics may be spread. For example, as far as statistics for the

undertrials who are in jails is concerned, we do not have any

authenticity. Similarly, statistics on what kind of people and

communities are being given death penalty and all that is not available.

Therefore, the sphere of statistics has to be made a little wider so that

welfare measures and proper measures could be taken for giving justice

to all the people.

Similarly, legal aid is available but we are not able to say that to

whom it is going and all that. All these are very important things. So,

I would request the hon. Minister to kindly make it wider and

comprehensive. It should be streamlined. Take for example banks. No

one knows where actually the loans are going, to what extent, it is

going; which communities are taking loans; which States are taking

them, etc. It is the wealth of the States. So, unless the statistics are

made comprehensive, no one knows who is enjoying the wealth of the

State. Therefore, I would request the hon. Minister to kindly make it

more comprehensive so that the welfare schemes could be better

implemented and the governance could also be improved as far as our

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Lastly, we need adequate balancing between privacy and

transparency when we take up the statistics, particularly with regard to

Aadhaar and all that. There is a lot of confusion. Kindly ensure a

proper thought is given when such information is shared, particularly

when foreign agencies, foreign countries and foreign investment

institutions are involved. I am sure adequate steps would be taken.

As regards frequency of computation of statistics with regard to

unemployment and agriculture is concerned, we are doing it once in

five years or so. It is extremely unfair. As far as unemployment

statistics are concerned, we need to collect them every year. Similarly,

for agriculture also, the frequency should be increased to every year so

that whatever is to be done for the welfare of this sector, could be done

in a better way. The gap between the rich and the poor is increasing.

Unless the statistics are provided adequately, the gap between the rich

and the poor cannot be bridged. The same is true in the case of urban

poor.

With these few points, I thank, once again, the Chair and the hon.

Minister.

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SHRI ASADUDDIN OWAISI (HYDERABAD): Sir, may I remind

the hon. Minister through you what was stated by Shri Gulzarilal

Nanda, the then Union Home Minister in Lok Sabha on the 4th

December, 1964? He has said:

“The only way of taking the Constitution of India into J&K

is through application of article 370. It is a tunnel. It is

through this tunnel that a good deal of traffic has already

passed and more will.

What happened is that, only the shell is there. Article 370,

whether you keep it or not has been completely emptied of

its contents and nothing has been left in it.”

Sir, we have seen what has happened in J&K. It is historical fact

that J&K acceded to India in unique circumstances. It is a unique State.

My charge against this Government is that you are creating trouble in

J&K by ensuring that this Bill which you are going to pass with brute

majority, by imposing and having it implemented in J&K. You are

violating article 370. What is the result of what Shri Gulzarilal Nanda

said in 1964? What is the result that we have got now? The polling

percentage is six. What is the face we have now? It is seven per cent

of the polling percentage that we get in a by-election and then we are

forced to postpone the election. The Government is badly exposed by

saying that we did not want the Election Commission to hold the

elections. Why do you want to do this? You are in power over there.

The J&K State Assembly can pass their own Statistics (Amendment)


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Bill. They have done the Right to Education Bill and other legislation.

Why is this Government in a hurry?

(z3/1735/rbn/nsh)

By doing this you are weakening article 370. We know for a fact

that legislative power of Parliament, as far as Jammu and Kashmir is

concerned, is limited to foreign affairs, defence and telecommunication.

Whenever we have gone to Jammu and Kashmir as part of an all-Party

delegation, the first thing people tell us – last time I was part of the all-

Party meeting – is that you have diluted and eroded article 370. You are

doing the same thing. What is the legal basis of this? Why are you

unnecessarily testing waters over there? There is so much of alienation

over there. Passing this Bill can give you sadistic pleasure. But will you

be successful in Jammu and Kashmir? I doubt that.

Coming to other issues, look at the utilisation of budget by his

own Ministry. It is minus 32.4 per cent. During 2016-17, Rs. 4,753

crore was the allocation. Actual expenditure is only Rs. 3,212 crore.

Will the Minister please tell us and enlighten us as to why could not his

Ministry utilise this whole amount?

Let me come to the issue of National Sample Survey office. Since

they engage contractual staff to collect data through field surveys, there

is a huge variation between the survey of NSSO and that of the State

Governments. So, I would like to ask the hon. Minister, through you,

whether this Ministry will hold consultations with the State

Governments regarding survey procedures and methodologies.

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As far as vacancies are concerned, 861 posts of Statistical

Officers under Subordinate Statistical Services are vacant. Why are

they vacant? It is because the pay is very bad. It is because of the

difficult nature of data collection work that many candidates are not

inclined to join because of mismatch of language and staff. So, will this

Government recommend incentives to provide better conditions?

In the North-East, there is no regional office of this Ministry in

the North-Eastern States. The allocation for North-East area was Rs.

16.8 crore. This shows a decrease of 44 per cent.

Our ex-Indian captain’s Aadhaar number was made public. What

safeguards are you going to have? Now, you are collecting data which

the Government will use. What assurance can you give to the country

and to us that there will be some firewalls and that no one can break

into that data and take it away?

As rightly said by Shri Tathagata Satpathy, data is the new oil.

Every data is open to public. You go to Google and you can get my

Aadhaar number. Now, you are getting the NSSO data. There is so

much of data over there. What protections are there? This is a digital

era for sure. But we are failing in protecting our data. Thank you.

(ends)


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1746 hours

SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN (KOLLAM): I am thankful to you,

hon. Deputy-Speaker, for giving me an opportunity to speak on this

important Bill. I would confine myself to some of the very important

aspects of the Bill.

After hearing the interventions of Shri. Owaisi, a cloud of

confusion has been created; and I hope that the hon. Minister will

clarify or clear this cloud of confusion or suspicion. If you go through

the para 3 of the Statement of Objects and Reasons, it says:

“The Collection of Statistics Act, 2008 and the Jammu and

Kashmir Collection of Statistics Act, 2010, do not cover the

matters specified in List I (Union List) in the Seventh

Schedule to the Constitution as applicable to Jammu and

Kashmir under the Constitution (Application to Jammu and

Kashmir) Order,1954. ”

So, the point to be clarified is this. According to the hon.

Minister, this is to fill up the vacuum created due to the two Acts. The

2008 Act is the Central legislation by which matters, which are

specified in the Union List and the Concurrent List, are not being dealt

with. By the Jammu and Kashmir Collection of Statistics Act, 2010

also, the matters specified in the Concurrent List and the matters

specified in the Union List are not being dealt with.

So, according to the Government, this Bill is being piloted in

order to fill up the vacuum because these two Acts are not dealing with

the matters. So, the pertinent question, which has been raised by the

hon. Member, Shri Owaisi is that article 370 is there, and this para also


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very clearly says: “The Jammu and Kashmir Collection of Statistics

Act do not cover the matters.” That means, the Jammu and Kashmir

Assembly is having ample authority and power to legislate on matters

specified in the Union List and Concurrent List related to Jammu and

Kashmir… (Interruptions) That is why I am seeking clarification from

the hon. Minister.

Sir, the explanation of the hon. Minister in the Statement of

Objects and Reasons is that the Jammu and Kashmir Collection of

Statistics Act, 2010 does not cover the matters specified in the Union

List and the Concurrent List. So, I am seeking clarification form the

hon. Minister that if the Jammu and Kashmir State Assembly is having

the authority and legislative competence to enact on these issues, then

here it would definitely be the violation of article 370 of the

Constitution, infringement of the right of the people of Jammu and

Kashmir and of the Jammu and Kashmir Assembly. This is a very

important matter, which has been raised in this august House.

Sir, now I am on a different point. I am bringing a very pertinent

fact to the notice of the House. If you go through the Objects and

Reasons of the Bill, it says that it is to fill up the legislative vacuum.

Here, I am bringing the attention of the hon. Deputy-Speaker to this

matter. Section 9(1) is to be amended. What is Section 9(1)? It says

that ‘any information furnished to the statistics officer or to any person

or agencies authorized under this Act shall only be used for statistical

purposes.’


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Here, the Government proposes to amend Section 9(1). What is

the substituting Section? The new Section is:

“The statistics officer or any person or agencies authorized

under this Act shall, for statistical purposes, use any

information furnished under section 6 in such matter as

may be prescribed.”

(c4/1750/rp-rps)

That means, the existing Clause 9(1) is a mandatory provision by

which this statistical information can only be used for the statistical

purposes by the Ministries concerned or by the departments concerned.

The Government of India is getting ample powers so as to use this

information. It is because the Government of India will be making a

provision. That means, rule making provision is with the Government

of India so that they can use this information for some other purposes

also. Kindly see, Sir, the words used are: “Any information furnished to

the statistics officer or to any person or agencies authorised under this

Act shall only be used for statistical purposes.” So, the Government

wants to dilute it. What is the purpose of it?

A new Clause has to be added that is ‘the manner of use of

information’ under Sub-Section (1) of ‘Section 9’. There also the

power is vested with the Central Government to make the rules and

make the procedure by which this mandatory provision is being diluted.

It means, the transparency and accountability is under question. This

can be done only after the publication in the Official Gazette. That is

also being amended. Here, Section 33 is being amended. By amending

Comment: Contd by c4.e

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Section 33 of the existing Act, it need not be published in the Official

Gazette. Only a pre-publication is required. It can be done even in a

newspaper or in a weekly. Even if it is published on a notice board, it

is okay. A conditional publication is there. So, the Official Gazette

publication is being omitted.

I would like to know from the hon. Minister as to what is the

purpose of avoiding the Official Gazette publication. Is it for

transparency? Is it for accountability? Only putting it on the notice

board is sufficient to have the publication. Regarding the other issue of

Section 9(1), why is it being amended? Is it just because to give more

powers to the Central Government? I have also asked clarifications

about the Constitution.

With these questions, I am concluding my speech. Thank you

very much, Sir.

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1752 hours

THE MINISTER OF STATISTICS AND PROGRAMME

IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI D.V. SADANANDA GOWDA): Hon.

Deputy Chairman, Sir, as rightly stated by Premachandran ji, this Bill is

introduced to fill up the legislative vacuum. The Collection of the

Statistics Act, 2008, as of now, has been extended to the whole of India

except the State of Jammu and Kashmir. Similarly, the Jammu and

Kashmir Collection of Statistics Act, 2010, as passed by Jammu and

Kashmir, applies only to the State of Jammu and Kashmir. There are

certain areas which are neither covered under the Concurrent List nor

under the List-I. Therefore, there is a need of an Act to cover those

areas.

There is another important question raised by Shri Owaisi: – Is it

not a violation of Article 370 of the Constitution? I do not want to

traverse in detail as far as Article 370 of the Constitution is concerned.

If there is any area which is in the larger interest of the Centre and the

State and which does not affect the individual rights of the citizens,

certainly, the Central Government needs to encroach upon that area and

do the needful things. This is not the only legislation which has been

taking place. There are other enactments like the Census Act, 1948

which has been enacted in 1959, thereby, the areas of operation of that

Act have been extended to Jammu; and Kashmir and the Registration of

Births and Deaths Act, 1969 has been subsequently enacted. Similarly,

this is also one of the important areas where plans, programmes,

developments and other things need to be taken care of. The State of


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Jammu and Kashmir is an integral part of our country and the

developments and other things of that area need to be taken care of by

the Central Government. Under such circumstances, in the larger

interest of the people of Jammu and Kashmir and getting a real-time

data, this has been extended to the State of Jammu and Kashmir. It will

certainly not violate Article 370 of the Constitution as has been stated

by my learned friend.

(d4/1755/rcp/raj)

Sir, I will not take much of your time of time. Two or three

important issues have been raised by the hon. Members. I thank all the

Members who have participated in the debate on this Bill and for

giving valuable suggestions, observations and raising certain concerns.

Two important issues have been raised. One issue raised was

whether all the stakeholders have been taken on board, that is, whether

the consultation process was done in a proper manner. The Bill at the

initial stage was put in the public domain. For three months, we

received suggestions. Subsequently, it was circulated among the

Ministries and other Departments. After getting suggestions, we have

once again circulated it to various Ministries.

Before we decided to introduce the Bill in the House, a Cabinet

Note containing the amendment proposal was sent to the Government

of Jammu and Kashmir. Had we received a reply from the Jammu and

Kashmir Legislature, then this would not have arisen. No reply has

come from the Legislature of Jammu and Kashmir. So, we are forced

to do this.

Comment: Cd by d4

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One of the important issues that have been raised is with regard

to amendment to Section 9 (1), that is, whether right to privacy is

protected in respect of data collection. Almost all the Members who

spoke on that issue referred to Aadhaar and they said all these things. I

would like to place on record that the guidelines, that is, the

Fundamental Principles of Official Statistics of United Nations need to

be followed as far as collection of data and other things are concerned.

It is recognized that the official statistics are public goods and they

must comply with certain basic principles such as professional

independence, impartiality, accountability and transparency about

methods of collection, compilation and dissemination of statistics.

These principles are enshrined in the United Nations Fundamental

Principles and after a Cabinet decision, we are following it. On that

basis, we are taking up all these issues.

Another important issue that has been raised is with regard to

how the secrecy will be maintained. I would like to draw the attention

of the Members who took up that issue to the fact that there are

stringent provisions on restriction given under the Act on data

collection. In nutshell, I would like to draw the attention of the House

to Section 9 (2) (3) and (4), Section 11 and Section 14 (a) and (b).

Section 9 (2) says that no person other than a person engaged in the

work of data collection shall be permitted to see any information

collected. Section 9 (3) says that no information collected and no

answer to any question asked shall, except for the purpose of a

prosecution under the Act, be separately published or disclosed without


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suppressing the identification of data providers. Section 9 (4) says that

all statistical data published shall be arranged in such a manner so as to

prevent any particulars becoming identifiable as the particulars relating

to a data provider who supplied it, even through the process of

elimination unless the data provider has consented to the publication in

that manner. Section 10 says that Appropriate Government may

disclose data in respect of which such disclosure is consented to in

writing by the data provider or data is otherwise available to the public

under any Act as a public document or data in the form of an index or

list of the names and addresses of data providers together with the

classification, if any, allotted to them and the number of persons

engaged.

Sir, there is one more important Section, that is Section 11.

Section 11 says that the appropriate Government may disclose

individual data for bona fide research or statistical purposes. Section

14 (a) says that no data obtained pursuant to the Act and no copy of the

data in the possession of any data provider shall be disclosed or used as

an evidence in any proceedings.

Sir, so many procedures are given. The rules made under the Act

also provide adequate safeguards.

(e4/1800/smn/ind)

For example, rule 13 provides for restrictions on personal

information. All this will stand. No amendment is proposed for all

these sections, particularly from section 9 and also from other sections.

Nobody should have any apprehension about protecting the

Comment: Contd. By e4

Comment: Shri sadananda gowda

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confidentiality whether it is aadhaar card data or any other data which

identify a person cannot disclose under this Act along with other data

collections. So, these are the stringent provisions in the Act. For these

sections, we have not brought any amendment. So, that still stands. So,

there will be confidentiality.

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now, it is six ‘o’ clock. If the House

agrees, we will extend the time of the House till the Minister’s reply

and passing of the Bill are over.

SHRI K.C. VENUGOPAL (ALAPPUZHA): How much time will he

take Sir?

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Only two or three minutes more.

SHRI D.V. SADANANDA GOWDA: I will take five minutes.

Coming back to Shri Premachandran’s statement, that is

amendment to Section 9(1), use of data for statistical purposes remains

intact. The only change is to make an enabling provision to lay down

the manner in which it has to be exercised through rules. Only through

rules, it has to be done. This being a matter of technical detail it cannot

be specified in the Act. As it is a matter in technical detail, it cannot be

specified in the Act. Hence, this amendment has been brought. It does

not give any arbitrary power to the Government.

A fundamental question was raised as to how the public would

come to know about the decision of the Government to collect any

statistics. Section 3 makes it clear. Section 3 of the Act provides for

notifying the decision of the Government to collect any statistics in the

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There are several suggestions given by my hon. friends.

Certainly, all the suggestions are well taken. A suggestion was made to

incorporate the provision that there should be a timeframe for

furnishing the data or statistics and it has to be made binding on all.

Fixing a timeframe is a survey specific. It is a survey specific. It

cannot be fixed that this survey should be completed within such a

period. It may not be possible as data may be collected from

individuals or business on different subjects and situations.

Section 5 of the Act provides for specifying such details by

statistical officer. Section 4 of the Act lays down that the timeframe for

data collection may be specified by appropriate Government or

statistical officer.

There were suggestions about NSSO’s surveys also, particularly,

periodicity. In particular, it was suggested that the survey on

employment, unemployment may be more frequent. I would like to

inform the august House that the NSSO has been conducting surveys

on many subjects from time to time. Service sector is presently being

surveyed by NSSO on its 74th round, that is 2016-17. Household

consumer expenditure will be surveyed by NSSO on its 75th round, that

is 2017-18. NSSO conducts surveys on agriculture acreage and yield in

every agriculture season and provides data to the Ministry of

Agriculture. Besides, it also conducts survey on situation assessment

of farmers periodically. The suggestion to have more frequent data on

employment and unemployment characteristic is a welcome suggestion.

I am proud to inform this august House that the Government has


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decided to launch periodic labour survey in 2017-18 to measure the

employment and unemployment characteristics at every quarter and

annually. So, we will have quarterly employment data as soon as the

survey methodology stabilizes. This Bill will facilitate that the

Government in organizing data collection under the provisions of the

principal Act throughout the country including Jammu and Kashmir. It

will also strengthen data collections.

Hon. Deputy Speaker Sir, I do not want to take much time of the

House. Today, we all know that the statistical thinking has become

indispensable for all efficient planning and administration. At the

national level, NSSO of my ministry is responsible for the conduct of

large scale sample survey in diverse fields. In States, at the apex level,

the Directorate of Economics and Statistics is responsible for

coordination of statistical activities in the State as well as for liaising

with the Centre.

There should be close coordination between the State and the

Centre. It is necessary to get the real time data. At present, except the

State of Jammu and Kashmir, the principal Act is applicable to all other

States in the country in the collection of statistical data. Hence, the

jurisdiction of the principal Act needs to be extended to the State of

Jammu and Kashmir also. The Bill will facilitate the Government in

organizing statutory data collection under the provisions of the

principal Act throughout the country including the State of Jammu and

Kashmir. Certainly, it will strengthen the data collection mechanism.


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So, I appeal to the hon. Members through you Sir, that the Bill may be

considered and passed by this august House.

(f4/1805/vr/vb)


“That the Bill to amend the Collection of Statistics Act,

2008, be taken into consideration.”


HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The House will now take up clause-by-

clause consideration of the Bill.

Clause 2

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri N.K. Premachandran, are you

moving your Amendment No.1 to clause 2?

SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN (KOLLAM): Sir, since the hon.

Minister has given a convincing answer, I am not moving my

amendment.





Clauses 3 and 4 were added to the Bill.

Comment: Followed by f4 turn


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Clause 5

HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri Rajeev Shankarrao Satav – Not

present.

The question is:





Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the Title were added to the Bill.

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HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The hon. Minister may now move that the

Bill be passed.

SHRI D.V. SADANANDA GOWDA: Sir, I beg to move:





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HON. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The House stands adjourned to meet on

Wednesday, the 12th April, 2017 at 11.00 a.m.

1807 hours

The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven of the Clock

On Wednesday, April 12, 2017/ Chaitra 22, 1939 (Saka)

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