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STATE OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS SECTION

TRA}ISCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW

DATE WRITTEN: January 15, 2009

CASE NAME: SW2008-003749

REPORT TYPE: Transcription of Interview-Ty Packer

AGENT: M. HincheY SUPERVISOR: A. Rubalcava

TRANSCRIBED BY: D' Berggren

NUMBER: P002 2007-003090

PAGElOF6PAGE(S)

Persons on recording:

MH Meg HincheYTP TyPacker

MH okay, it's about fifteen-oh-three (1503) hours. um, as told you' I',m Meg Hinchey'

special Agent here. And if you'd say your name and serial number for the" '

TPofficerPackerbadgenumbereight-zero-seven-zero(8070)PhoenixPoliceDePartment.

MH Okay, awesome and just so you know *rat right up front, u:ni I lhink I explained

to you. We have...we've been asked to investigaie an off duty issue' um' things

that were coordinated by George Contreras'

TP Uh hum.

MHUm,Phoenixactuallygaveittousforconflictreasons'

TP Yeah.

MH And, um in looking throireh the records, um, it seemed that you had "rrorked

for

him at least one (il snift. Do you remember about how many shifts you might

have worked under George?

TP Um, maybe...maybe one (1) or two (2), I mean I know there,s at least one (1).

But maybe there *u, *o (2)' I don't know a couple'

MH Oh mY goodness. (Inaudible)'

TP I don't remember which jobs were his'

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MH Sure, alright. And your eight-zero-seven-zero (8070)?

TP YCS.

MHofcoursernyprint-out(inaudible).Um,okaywellletsjustdo.itthisway.Basedon what, um, I had seen *;;;;;J;:"4:Jd theie's no indication that vou

did any*ring wrong. UIn, y"T;; Gt being i";;;ewed as a witness. I'11 make

sure you Liow that. u*, ?-iti" 1ou1 trr"1 vot *ott"d for George' do you

remember *ftttft ones those might have been?

TPNo,Iknowtheywere-t"YinsouthPhoenix,that'swherelwasworkingatthetime.Itwasmaybe,Idon,tt.'o*whichoneswherehis.ItcouldhavebeentherowR homes job. It could n*rl""r, the Rosier:tu' rntrs about the only nnro (2)

I would thinkwere his'

MHokay,townhornesisfamiliar.Um,anduPyousayyouworked,doyouknowabout how many dmes vo" *igttt have worked at ttrat one?

TPltwouldhavebeenmaybeacouple.Itwasjustrightwhenlwasstartingtodooff dutY'

MH Sure'

TPUh,andIwasn,toneofhislike..boys,,.SoIdidn,tgetcalledalot...so.

MHl,veheardthatbefore.Um,okayanduh,soyourswaskindoflikeafillinkindofdeal?

Yeah.

okay,umdoyourememberabouthow,what,howmanyhoursthatshiftwouldhave been worked?

uh, it no, eight (g) hours, eight (g) to ten (10) hours probably' I don't know'

TP

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MHokay,doyouremember,Iknowl,mstretchinghere.Doyourememberwhatdayof the week you might t urr" *orr..Ji okuy, t""t" r kn; weekdays it was eight

(8) and *""ku"dt I think it was ten (10)'

TPWelllrneanl,msureduringtheweek,becauselwelllknow,Iguessitcouldhavebeen. ,Cause I, if it was an ;il"h, job,. it h?;;; have been during the week'

'cause I #;; rtiJ"v' saturday' Sunday' Monday'

MH Oh, sure okaY" 'okaY'

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Uh, if it was an over night, it could have been any night'

.Scuse me, um okay do you remember, my understanding is' it was a two (2)

person job.

Yes.

Do you remember who You worked with?

Um, probably Bobby McKenney, but I'm not positive'

Okay, yeah...and I've...and I've talked to him'

He was on my squad, and that's"'we hung out"'so"'

Sure, did you ever work with George himself?

No.

Okay, um and that job required a vehicle?

Yes.

okay, and um colTect me if I,m saying that, that''.*n' I'm, in the interest of time.

Um, you picked the vehicle up at the [recinct, and then respond to the location?

Yes.

okay, um while working at that location, um base on your experience. or, do

you see any reason an ofrcer would. have not to be on site during their shift?

The reason not to be there?

Uh hum.

No, unless you're taking someone to jail'

okay, um do you recall if there was an office or some kind of facility you guys

could utilize at that location?

uh, the townhomes. I don't...I don't think so. I mean...we"'they"'we may have

had access to like the manager's office. Like the"'when"'but I dont"'we may

have.. .but we didn't use it. ' 'I mean'

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P002 2007-003090Transcription of tnterview-Ty Packer


MHsure,andthat'scool.Imeanitwasalongtimeago'Iknow'

TP Yeah, I know I didnt use it. But then they rnay have been able to use it' I don't

MH

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know.

sure, okay. um and were you paid for all the hours that you worked'

Uh, I'm pretty sure.

Okay.

I don't remember ever having to hunt George, and other did' and say they'd hunt

himdowntogetpaid.Butldontrememberhavingtodothat.

okay,andumtoyourrecollectionyouworkedtheentireshifu?

Yes.

okay, that's what I have as well Um, have you heard, you said you've heard

;"6i" had to hunt him down. What...what have you heard about that'

I've just...I...I heard that it was sometimes difficult, it took a while to get paid by

him.

Gotcha, okay. Um, but he doesn't owe any money right now'

No.

okay, um what else...what else...I've done so many of these interviews' I always

forget what I've asked who, and what's the most relevant' Url' I think that's

about it. 'When you 8uys, uh, would pick-up a car'-um, my understanding is you

have to check in with"a desk clerk o, **"one, thefd give you the keys'

TP Sure, Yeah.

MH Thefd Put You in CAD'

TP Yes.

MH Okay, and then you Suys signed on the MDT in the car'

TP Yes.

MH And then, at the end of the shift, you'd sign off and turn the car in'


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January 15, 2009 of 5

TP YeaP.

MH Okay, um do you recall if at that time if it was required to check on and off with

dispatch on the air?

TP Um, I don't think at that time you had to'

MH OkaY.

Tp I think that was something that came shortly there after'

MH OkaY.

TP We had like a sign in sheet' We had a, we kept a log'

MH Okay.

TP (Inaudible) then You did'

MH Sure.

Tp I don't know where that went. It's probably George.

MH Uh, I probably have copies somewhere. um, okay anything- else in regards to

working um, off duty jobs for George Contreras or anything that you know of in

regards to his coordirriting, that you think I should know.

TP No.

MH Okay, I think that's it. I've been out of town, so my heads trying to catch back up

with...with-everything I'rn doing right now. oh, in regards to, when you work

that job, do you ,".i[ wtro piid you for that job, if it came from George' a

business, or the client at the townhomes?

Tp um, no I don t recall. But I'm pretty sure it WaSn't from George'

MH OkaY.

TP I dont think I've ever had any check from George'

MH okay, do you remember, uh, or have you ever heard of Raptor services?

TP No, (inaudible)-


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MH Okay, alright I think that's it'

TP OkaY.

MH Uh, what time are we about, thirteen-oh-eight (1308)'

TP Thirteen-oh-six(1306)'

MH You got six (6), okaY that works'

End of recording'

STATE OF ARIZONA

OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS SECTION

TRANSCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW

DATE WRITTEN: January I4,2OOI NUMBER: P002 2007-003090

CASE NAME: SW2008-003149

REPORTTYPE:Transcriptionoflnterview-JosephRoberts

AGENT: M. HincheY SUPERVISOR: A. Rubalcava PAGE 1- OF s PAGE(S)

MH Meg HincheYJR JosePh Roberts

MHAndjustforontherecord,ifyouwouldstateyourft:]lnameforme.

JR I'm JosePh RalPh Roberts'

MH Okay, awesome. And, what is your serial number again'

JR Seven-one-six-zero (7160)'

MHokay...okayandlthink'..Ican'tremember...I'vetalkedtosomany.Iflgaveyoukind of a brief synopsis about what I'm looking at' But,-um' Phoenix referred to

us a case about some off duty ,hu, *u, .oordirr"t"d by GeorSe contreras' That's

the.. .that's the sYnoPsis'

JR

MH

Okay.

um, and in looking at stuff you worked at least one (1) shift' I'm sor4r tell me

your serial number again'

Seven-one-six-zero (7160)'

Seven-one-six-zero (7160), and let me see here. And, so I have to, uh, turn every

stone talk to everyone, and our records indicate that you worked one (1)' under

the...under the a!* ifrat we're looking at. And there was absolutely nothing

wrong with your shift. um, we're 3ust trying _to-get an understanding as to how

those shifts are worked, because ,t*, troiutirhiftt *"t" necessarily were worked

i" tft" manner it seems they maybe should have been'

JR

MH

JR OkaY'

MH SimPle version, um"'


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JR Which...which property are we talking about?

MH Do you remember the Cotton Center or townhomes?

JR Yes.

MH okay and does that sound correct that you maybe only worked there once?

JR That would be the.. -yeah pretty correct'

MH okay, and. my guess is since it was only once, it was probably a fill in?

JR Yeah...Yeah-

MH OkaY, um in regarfu to that job'

officers assigned at time?

Uh do you remember was it, uh, how many

JR I want to say there's was nnro [2)'

MH Okay, do you remember who you might have worked with?

JR I believe it was Jim Art'

MH okay, um and he's worked quite a few. I think he was a regular at that' And' uh'

do You recall if a vehicle was used?

JR Yes.

MH Okay, and so as such did you check in at the precinct before going to the site?

JR Yes.

MH And then you'd sign the vehicle out?

JR Yes.

MHsignintoCAD,telimeifsomethingdoesn'tsoundcorrect?

JR Yeah...that's-..that sounds correct, yes'

MH Yeah...okay, um and um, it looks like the shift you worked would have been a ten

(10) hour shift, does that sound right?

JR Yes.

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MH Okay, and um, can you think of any reason an officer would have to not be on site

during their scheduled other than maybe going to get their luach or um' you

know going to the Circle K to use the restroom. \Mhat would be some other

reasons?

JR Uh, the only other reason would have been near by emergency traffic'

MH Sure, okay (inaudible). Um, the other thing that..'that we did, uh, think of is ifsomebody was doing a booking obviously'

JR

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Yeah...yeah.

Um but if...if you had a neal by emergency traffrc or you're doing a booking'

would you sign off the MDT?

No.

Okay.

Generally not.

So you...you sign on the MDT when you get into the vehicle, does that sound

right?

Yeah.

And you would sign off when you turn the vehicle back in?

JR

JR Correct.

Okay, have you heard of, or are of any officers lglving a shift at tla! job or any

otherjob coordinated by Contreras prior to end of that shift' "their shift?

JR No.

MH Okay, um what eise...what else. um, is that have you ever worked any other jobs

under Contreras as coordinator?

JR I may have done a couple fill in shifts at the Circle K that he coordinated. And, I

was gonna say I think f worked a, you're gonna have to forgive, I don t remember

the name of the burned out hotel on Fifteenth (15d') Avenue'

MH Desert Sun.

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JR Desert Sun, yes I worked a couPle of those shifs'

Okay...okay.

Sorry.

And to your knowledge have Youunder George as coordinator?

Yes.

been paid for all of the shifu that you worked

Okay, um at Cotton Center do you remember if you got paid before or after you

worked that shift?

I don t recall.

Okay, that's fine. We're talking a while back obviously' And do you remember

Desert Sun, yes I worked a couple of those shifts'

Okay...okay.

MH

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JR Sorry.

MH And to your knowledge have Youunder George as coordinator?

been paid for all of the shifu that you worked

Yes.

Okay, um at Cotton Center do you remember if you got paid before or after you

worked that shift?

JR

MH

JR I don't recall.

MH Okay, that's fine. We're talking a while back obviously. And do you remember ifyou'/r,rere paid before or after the Circle K shift, ho''ai that worked?

JR The Circle K shift I was paid by the clerk. And it was about midway through the

shift. I...I went in andthere was (inaudible) there was an invoice or they had

cut a I wanna say maybe a cashiers check. That the clerk actually cashed for you.

MH Okay.

JR About midway through the shift is when I did it. And, it was like I said, I think on

George's instruction it was...you'd go in cash it with the clerk whenever.

MH

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Sure and that shift, uh, the Circle K shift my understanding was that was a one

person job, no vehicle.

JR Correct, yes.

MH Okay, and then the Desert Sun um, do you remember if you got paid before or

after you worked the shift?

JR The Desert Sun we ended up having to sue the or,rrner of the Property before we

got paid for that one.

MH Sure, okay and did you get paid in full as a result of that?

JR Yes, I did.

MH Okay, um I think that's it. Isn't that crazy that I have to bring you in for?

JR No, it's understandable.

MH Let me turn this off, it's now what fourteen twenty (7420)'

STATE OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF THE AMORNEY GENERAL

SPECIAL IIWESTIGATIONS SECTION

TMNSCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW

DATE: January 74,2449

CASE NAME: Sw2008-003149

NUMBER: P002 2007-003090

REPORT TY?E: Transcription of Interview of Joseph stussy

AGENT: M. Hinchey SUPERVISOR: A. Rubalcava PAGEIOFsPAGE(S)

TRANSCRIBED BY: D. Berggren

MH Meg HincheYRS Joseph SnrssY

RG Ron Gibson

MH Okay, and what are twelve (12) we're about t'welve thirty-five (1235) and

probably just be through (inaudible)'

JS That's okaY.

MH Okay, and um, my name's Meg Hinchey, Special Agent with theAttomey General'

In fact let me grn" yot one of my cards, in case for any reason' there you go'

JS Alright.

MH Um and this is, uh, special Agent Ron Gibson. And uh, you are officer?

JS StussY.

MH Stussy, okay. Um, here's the deal, let me See if I can find it' Um, your serial

number again?

JS Seven-five-four-nine (7549)'

MH Okay, let me see if I can find the sheet I am looking for. Um, basically I saw that

vou had worked some off duty that George Contreras had coordinated?

Yeah, I think two (2) jobs.

Okay, um.

Well it was the same job, twice.

JS

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uh, and was that the townhomes also on the Cotton center?

Yes.

Okay.

The townhomes.

um, and when you did, do you remember who you might have worked with?

I think one of the times was Austin Lewis and I can't remember who the second

(2'd) time was.

Okay, um and you work those shifts, and some of this is just the same questions I

have to ask everybody. Um, it's sound colrect that it was two (2) officers with

marked Patrol car?

JS Yes.

MH Okay, and you...and you would pick up the patrol."patrol car at this location?

JS Right.

MH The precinct? Alright, only one (1) more folder with paperwork, so it's gotta be

in this one. um, and then you Suys would respond to the site?

JS We...yeah...we'd go out to the site, and we'd patrol around there, kind of tag

people and then, rim, I think I'd took one (1) burglary report out there one day'

MH okay, I'm sorry tell me your serial number again, if you would, please? seven

(7)...

JS Seven-five-four-nine (7549).

MH Five-four-nine (549), okay. um, and do you remember about how long the shift

would have been?

JS Um, maybe six (6) hours, four (4), six (6) hours, something like that. Itwould'''Idon't think it was that long.

MH Okay, actually, um, sure and looks like itwas about eight (8).

JS OkaY.

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MH yeah, and I've got December of two-thousand five (2005), does that sound right?

JS Yeah.

MH Okay, yeah it was a long time ago. Um, okay and um, at that location did they

have uh...uh...an office or somewhere that you guys couid write your report, um,

use the restroom, things of that nature, do you recall?

JS I think they did, but I don't think we ever used it'

MH Okay, um, and when you picked up the vehicle, uh how...how would they know

thatyou were on duty for that location?

JS Uh, we d.o...we sign in on the cad.

MH Okay.

JS Uh, sign in on the vehicle and believe there was a vehicle log that we filled out.

i'm pretty sure there was...but.

MH Sure.

JS And then there was a book that went with it.

MH Okay, yeah, the...the 1og. Um, and uh, was the cad, that's in the department?

JS The computer that put us into the, so dispatch new we were there'

MH Sure, and then did you sign on to the MDT also?

JS Yes.

MH Okay, um and um, obviously there's no question on my mind. I know that you

were there the full shift. I mean that's ali..'

JS

MH

JS

Right.

Thafs not a problem. Our concern is we have reason to believe officer have been

assigned to be their fuIl shift and worked their full shift'

We were there the full shift. The only time we left is, um, we might have run

down to the gas station on the road io use the bathroom or get something to

drink. And then, to take a short meal break.

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MH Sure, and....and...and I said, there's no concern about whether you were

(inaudible). 'What I need to know is do you know of any other officers that had

indicated or you ever heard anything about somebody leaving a shift early?

JS Not that I know of.

MH Okay, um, can you think of any reasons someone would leave the site other than

bathroom break, dinner?

Unless there was a call that was close there.

Okay.

But.

Okay...okay.

I nev...never heard of.

Sure.

Like I said, I only worked it twice.

JS

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Right.

I went out, and I did what we were supposed to do, and then we left'

Okay, do you remember who paid you for working that job? How you got paid?

I think it was a check from the town homes. But I'm not exact-..(inaudible)

pretty sure it was check from the town homes, themselves.

Okay and do you remember if you got paid before or after the job was completed'

After the job.

Can...can...were you scheduled for that, or did you pick it up for someone?

Uh, I think I picked it up for somebody.

okay...okay...that wouid make sense for me then. Did you work any other jobs

that would have been coordinated by George contreras?

No.JS

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MH Okay, and uh, anything you can think of that I'm missing here? Okay, I thinkthat's it.

RG Not at all.

MH Where are we, twelve forty-three (L243). I'm gonna turn this off.

End of recording.

STATE OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAT

SPECIAL II{VESTIGATIONS SECTIONTRANSCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW

DATE WRITTEN: August 27,2OOB

CASE NAIvIE: SW200B-0A3I49

NUMBER: P002 2007-003090

REPORT TIIPE: Transcription of Interview-George Contreras

AGENT: M. Hinchey SLJPERVISOR: A. Rubalcava PAGE 1 OF 34 PAGE(S)


Persons on Recording , r, ,

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MH (Inaudible)...Okay,-.!rls,,uh...\fftat time. is it? ,Oh-nine-forty-three (0943) hours,

andwe'reherein...whatdoyou:callthisroom?..:.:.

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MH And, uh, Ron Gibson...Special Agent Ron. Gibson's here, Special Agent Meg

Hinchey, and rim...Mister Confferas would you tell mb your name, please just so I

can...? l

GC

MH

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George Contreras.

Okay, thank you. Um, okay you had a chance to look at the search wamant,

correct?

Correct.

Okay, and just to make things clear, obviously, I mean...you're not under alTest;

you're free to leave...

Right.GC


P002 2007-003090Transcription of InterviewAugust 27, 2008Page 2 of 34

MH

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\Alhatever the case may be.

I understand.

Okay, um, and um... there's a number of things that I want to visit with you

about. Um, you can see by the search walTant, um, a lot of it has to with Raptors

Services.

Okay.

Um, and, let's just (inaudible) um...you were employed by the Phoenix Police

Department, coffect? . '

GC I was,

MH Okay, for about how long?.,. ,l

GC Eighteen (18) years.' r,' ',:,"' : r:r:': i ' ' I , :

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GC March nineteenth (19q nineteen ninety (1990)' -: ' ' '

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MH Um, okay, and um...when...Wh€n,didyou leave Phoenix Police Department?

GC April ninth (9ft) of this Year.

MH This year, two-thousand eight (2008)?, um, and what...why did you leave

Phoenix PD?

GC I couldn't stand working for them anymore'

MH Alright, fair enough. I can see that. Um, alright...and so this...this your personal

business, RaPtor Guitars?

GC That's correct, I left the city to pursue, uh, my own business?

MH Okay, and how long ago did this business open?

GC July seventh (79 of last Year.

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MH Last year...so two-thousand seven Q}An?

GC Correct.

MH Okay, so little over a year ago? Um...and um...so is this your full-time

employment now, or...?

GC Yes, that's all I do.

MH Okay, um (inaudible)...um, and when you left Phoenix...um...you said you

couldnt stand working there anymore, what was going on...(inaudible)?

GC I hated my supervisor, my Lieutenant, my Commander and PSB.

MH Gotcha.

GC It wasn't run properly, and.l jusl d.idn'! want to give them all that I amt They

didnlt dese*e myseivices. '. ' ' ,,' , ' '" ,

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GC Paffol, South Mountain Precinct, four-hundred (400) west seven (7).

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MH Okay, atright...um...and had you worked any other assignments when you were

with themi , 'i t',,,, ' "

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- ' '. '-''' -. ^-,-GC I did naro (2) in rhe...two (2) yqars two-€md--a-half (2r/z) ]e"rs with...uh...familyinvestigationsbureaus...adomesticviolencedetective.

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MH Gotcha, okay, about when was that?

GC Two-rhousand (2000), December two-thousand,(2000) 'til April of Oh-two ('02) I

think.

MH And um...as part of your assigned duties, do you...did you serve as an off duty

coordinator?

GC Yes, I did.

MH Okay, about how long did you that?

GC Uh, many years...many, manyyears.

MH Okay.

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GC Yeah, my brothers did that before...or my brother Joe did it, before I did. And so,

I just kind of watched how it was done, did it from there.

MH Gotcha, okay...um...you say brother Joe, you have other brother that work forPhoenix?

GC

MH

GC

We had four (4) at one time.

Holy cow.

And, that's when it all started w-hen fired (inaudible) brother. I started looking

for something else to do, 'cause I couldn't trust them anymore.

MH One of your brothers got fired?

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, ., .-'r,GC They said he pushed'someone dor,'rn the stairs,'(inaudibte) an -off duqF job, and

they lied about it. Whieh was completely false. , ::;,:'r, I ,, .,, '

dtt'l'MH Oh, I gotcha.'.1 : :..

GC lt,was vindicated in courq and they still didn't give him his job back. So, I'm like,

i- r", s""";;;;t rotirut.o*p*y anymore.

MH Gotcha, okay, what...what brother was that?.r' I'

GC Jim.

MH Jim? .

GC Yeah.

MH Okay, um...so does Joe still work there?

GC No, Joe retired, thirty-six (36) years, he retired in March of this year.

MH Wow.

GC Yeah.

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MH Thirty-six (36) years...I don't think I've got it in me to do that.

GC I didn't, so I left.

MH Yeah...no I here yeah. Ufii, okay, and so do you remember about when you

might have started doing the off dury coordinator stufff

GC Um, I guess around, um, ninety-eight ('98) maybe, right around there'

MH Wow, so thats like ten (10) years ago. l

GC Yeah...yeah. ::

MH Gotcha, alright. And, um, in addition to doing that, did you work off duty jobs?

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MH All the time. And, Phoenix has that oppornrnity don i they?

GC That's,ryhat...uh...helped me get this. ",

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MH Holy cow.

GC I was (inaudible)'

MH So, I don't know when you slept. But I couldn't do it'

GC It was hard, yeah...I'm kind of wondering how I did it, even back then'

MH I bet, 'cause now kind of have a normal life.

GC Now I'm home every night, so it's very different'

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MH That's nice, um, do you remember um...like in the off duty jobs, that...uh...youworked as an officer, like providing security services. Can you tell me the ones

that you remember, (inaudible) that you remember?

GC Well, the one that's mentioned in here was the Cotton Center Town Homes.

MH Uh hum.

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MH Uh hum.

GC Arizona Materials was another, um, there's so many, I don't even know how many

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GC There were a lot, I'di'iure that whatever you need the off duty work detail can

grve you that information. rt 'i r 'i:i :"'t...

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(From Radio: D. Rivers: Hey Joe can you take some pictures for me?)

MH Can you turnlthat off? Sorry...thank you sir. Um, how much did you enough

make on off duty service? Do you remember? :

GC A lot, it varied.

MH I mean, was it different per job, or...or?

GC Yeah...yeah...it was different per job.

MH Okay, so it, and um, and then with my former agency, when we worked, we got

paid by the hour.

cC Right.

MH Um, like was it like, straight time, double time?

GC

MH

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Depends on the day.

Okay...okay...um, so um, you don't recall any of the hourly rates that you made

though?

GC Some forty-five (45), some forty (40), some fifty (50).

MH Okap (inaudible) that's for sure. Um, I mean you can see that, um, a lot ofwhat's in there is regards to the Cotton Center.

GC Right. i. .

,.. . '...: -MH And, um, my understanding is, you were coordinator for that job.

GC Yes.

MH okay, and that's at Fortieth,(40d) sn"eer and'Broadway, right?.

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GC Forty-third (43*) Sreet in that area yeah. ,i :

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that was about? ' . . ,,. , ,.. :

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MH Okay, and was'it, I mean was it one (L) person, nruo (2) people, was it?.

GC No, it was always a two (2) man operation. :'

MH Uh hum..:

GC And we went in there, and we arrested over one hundred (100) people,

interrogations, tickets, you name it, we were went in there, and crime rate went

down sixty-six percent (660/o). "

MH Sure...sure...that's awesome, it needed to. Um, you know I've been in there

before with the gang detail on it.

GC Yeah, it's all...

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MH It's...it's ugly, um, you guys used a car when you were there, it's what I

understand. Does that sound correct?

GC That's correct.

MH Okay, and um, and it was always a two (2) man job, is that because of the safety

issues or...?

GC Exactly.

MH Gotcha, okay. And, what hours were officers there?

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GC (OverlapPing) It varied.

..was of the understanding, that like um, Monday and Thursday it was

like -eight

(B)' hours, and Friday, Saiirday, Sunday it was a ten (L0) hour shift'

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MHokay,um,she'syourfianc6,isthatwhatIunderstand?.

GC Correct.

MH Okay, she mentioned that there are like fifiry (50) other people that would know

about this stuff, what is she talking about?

GC

MH

GC

I'm not quite sure.

Okay.

she was real steamed when she arrived, understandably so.

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MH Sure...sure...I mean, that makes sense. It's not exactly what you Suys expected

for today. Um, okay...so you're not sure what...'cause I mean my guess is only,(inaudible) is what you would show. But you don't know what she's talkingabout then?

GC Well, she just gave a round about figure, how many officers work there.

MH Uh hum.

GC Their may have been more than thirty-five (35), yo9 know.

MH Sure. . ',, .

GC One person worked there, maybe,one time, and never worked there again.,,,.:.

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Okay, and When you say, "uS'l, um did they pay you directly or, how did thathappen? , '

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MH Okay and how did they know what hours you Suys worked?

GC Because we had daily logs, that were left in the office. And, that I would fax totheir headquarters.

MH Okay, um, their headquarters, is it...is it like a management company?

GC Yeah, exactly.


MH I think um, that's the uh...Ross Monogram, does that sound right?

GC Exactly.

MH Okay, and so you'd fax the logs over to them, then they would know how much topay each officer.

GC I would give them an invoice, yeah. ,'.

MH Oh, okay, so you did an invoice also?

GC Right. : ,., i

MH Okay, and um, so how would know? Like if you went working that night, howwould know w-hat hours someone worked, in order for the...to be invoiced, is thaton the log?

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MH Okay, um, 'cause I mean, just so you...I looked some of the logs, and I didn'treally see times written down, except for a couple times.__ ,r, - ,,-,

GC The times should have written'dgvrm:,a11'trc tirne. , .,

MH Okay, what would be the reason somebody wouldn't write doWn, do you hav.e

any idea, why'it would (inaudible)?

GC

MH

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Human error.

Pardon me?

Human error.

Okay...okay...and when you worked...like when you were working an off dutyart, you wrote on your logs, what times you worked?

GC Always.

MH Okay, and then um, my understanding is, you checked the vehicle out, is that out

of Four-hundred (400) Precinct?


GC Yes.

MH Okay, and then you signed back in, when you were done?

GC Well we would just ask for keys for a vehicle for off duty, they would give it to us,

then we'd sign on, then we go do our job, come back, turn the keys in, sign off for

the night.

MH So, there's not a vehide 1og, that you would fill out or anything?

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GC We're talking about how many, a year-and-a-half (IVz) ago...two (2) years ago,

something like that?

Yeah, bug it sounds like you guys worked there fo1,1 1on9. tim€'.,, ,.,,,

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MH Okay, um, so you'd sign on?

GC Right.

MH Okay, and then you'd be on there until the end of your shift, and then sign off?

GC Sometimes yeah.

MH Okay, tell me what, "sometimes" mean?

GC Sometimes, that all I'11 say about that. 'Cause I know, you know you're

interviewing me.

MH Right

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GC And I know how things can be consffued, and I know what can be written dovrrn.

MH Right.

GC And because of the job that I had, like yours, I wouldn't trust a lot of people that

MH

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were doing an investigation on me.

Uh hum.

So, do you know what we where doing?

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GC And, Gatsby was doing that investigation on,me, I didn't like their torle. I didn'tlike where they were headed with this. ',,I said, "Screw you guys, I'm leaving."

MH Uh hum, whatever happened with that do you know, 'cause I don't know?

GC I don't know either. I left the department, once I did thaq I could care less whathappens.

MH Alright, um, why did they tell you they were starting an investigation, do youremember?

GC Yeah, the initial complaint came down by Trish.

MH Trish?

GC You know Trish is the...was the manager...

MH Okay.

GC ...of...umj..Metropolitan, right. She had made nvo (2) allegations, and this was

explained to me by my boss, at that time, Jeff Chapman.

MH Uh hum.......

GC That one, I was sleeping with the manager.

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**ug.r. Two everything we did was documented. We left binders over there,

so that they could see who was affested, who was interrogated, who got any sort

of contact.' ':: 'l' .; "i '

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GC So, I knew that it was durnbj and then when tifuilte) PSP gets it, it's a whole

new ball ga{r-r€ They will.lie, and screw you, and stab you in the back. I've seen

it with my brother. ,, ..: : :, , ', ' . , l.

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MH Yeah, I've...tr've seen some issues with, I (inaudible) sure.

GC yeah, I don't trust any of them over there. To me, ninety percent (90o/o) of them,


MH

GC

MH

are crooked, I don't want to work for,th-ern,

Okay, and uh...you said your supervisor was Chapman? Is that what you said?

Jeff Chapman, at that time, yeah.

I mean...was he standing behind you, or what was...was...he part of the whole

deal, or what? I mean was he trying to support you with all (inaudible).

Oh he was fine, yeah...yeah...he knew that they were stupid.GC

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MH

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I hear you, okay. Um...and you saidquestion about Cotton Center. Youbeginning of the month?

Yeah.

Right.

for um...um...f[ just ask this one othersaid for that job you got paid for the

For thatjob, okay?

Most of the time.

Okay, alright...um.

See, 'cause we got screwed over before, by other off duty people.

MH Did you?

GC Yeah, you know, one company owed us seventeen-thousand dollars ($1Z,OOO;.

And...uh...it's like you go on a off duty job, they don't pay you...:---:"-:,, t'

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"Stop working, this...this compgry is mgssingwith,us."

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So, because of that, is when I started sayrng, 'You guys pay us up front, then we'Ilgive you our hours, our time.

Sure.

So, that's how it all started. They were...they had no problem with that, and witha good relationship, then you know some time later, Trish gets a wild hair up herbutt, and this comes down.

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MH Gotcha, alright.

GC So, we showed her documents of everything we did. I had three (3) sit dovrm

meetings with her, and she's like...I said, "Look, crime went down sixfy-sixpercent (660/o). Look at the..." I'm all happy, and she's like, 1'Jhs1e shouldn't be

any crime here. I want this to be like Scottsdale." And I quote her, and I'm like,you know, I almost spit out my drink..

'MH (Overlapping) Yeah. :

GC ...and said, "We will make that our goal. We will try and get that for you, but..."l'.r 'l ,.. .

MH It's a big goal.

GC Look how much crime went down.

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GC She wanted those shots,fired. They''were getting niad at me, bi:cause someonestepped out of their tornrn home and shot a gun in the air.

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GC So, being the coordinator, I:would contact the person who made the call a daylater, or whenever it was that I got there.

MH Uh hum.

GC

MH

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As I found some shell casings at one time, like when I found the shell casings, butI tried to explain them. They didn't step up, boom, boom, boom, step-in. No oneknows, there was no witness to this. So, that's kind of what we dealing with.

Uh hum.

So, after a while it was, we did what we had to do.


MH Sure.

GC And, then once the...once they said we don't need you anymore, okay fine. Theywent to private security; we're carrying automatic...or semi-auto weapons andwalking around like Dog the Bounry Hunter. It's like, it's not gonna work in

MH

GC

MH

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MH

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there, it's not gonna work like that, but you know that's fine...

I know.

...I went over there one time after I stopped working off duty over there.

Uh hum...1

That's'cause they requested me, to go over because I knew the people.... ': l ., : .:

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...the family when I was in Juvenile, so that's the only time I went back, neverbeen there since, I wgnlt ever go there again.'r r..:.,''. '' ,,, I :, .-: ,,'"

MH Norn', I have ylu down, I...I get that. ,Actually I did a foot pursuit,throuBh thereone night, I didn't like i1, um... i" , ''

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MH She's obviously never been in Arizona long, I donlt know, something.

GC She has delusions of grander:

MH I guess, alright um...so at that time officers were paid directly. It looks like,based on what I've seen, that at some juncture it, I'm gonna start coming to youthrough Raptor Services, does that sound right?

GC Right...right...I create Raptor Services so I can have a corporation...

MH Uh hu.

GC So that, there's a lot of companies don't want to pay individual officers, because

to them, their payroll, it's a big pain in the butt. They wanna pay one person.

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MH Uh hum.

GC

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Okay, make it to Raptor Services, and then when the Officer perforlns a job,here's your paycheck, here's your check, here's your check. It's that easy. I hadseen it done like that from other officers, so I took...I took lead, did the same

thing.

Sure, okay. And, um...and so Officers work a job, in like Circle K, was one ofthem, right?

Right. l

From what I remember. :So like then ttrey pay you beginning of the month, Yougive, Raptor Services rather...put the money in there. And then, as each officerworked their shift, you pay the officer? '

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Okay how frequently did they get paid?

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Okay, um...'cause then some of them were complaining that they didn't, I guess.

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Cashed it out, the give us of the money then, right? :

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So thaCs fine. They were screwing up, at the end of the year.

Okay.

By...by...the numbers were all messed up, they would put you at five (5) grandmore then you made. You at three (3) less then you made, so it was like this isn'tworking.

Yeah.

GC

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GC Why don't we try this approach?

MH Okay.

GC ...and it seemed to work. Some of the guys have no problem, but others did.

MH Uh hum.

ne (31) days out of the month...

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GC But some of 'em didn't like it. And then one guy in particular, you know uh,fucked me, stabbed me in the back. '

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MH Oh, did he lie, to who, Circle K...or?

GC Circle K, 'til the whole job got taken frorn *.. And they listened to him, theydidn't listen, they didn't even bother to call me to ask me what's going on. So, itwas a disrespectful thing. We had a great relationship...

MH Uh hum.

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GC ...me and Circle K.

MH Uh hum.

GC And they screwed me.

MH Gotcha.

GC So, that you know, the combination of that, and everything else. (Inaudible) whywould I want to work for these guys, any.more? ' :

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GC The ones I thought *.r",rny frien{s, were not. And;i tfrirrt this to me, seems likea result of their backstabbing behavior.

MH I gotcha, so you would uh, you'd issue 'em a check each week? Um, and then youtook on"r, like, reporting:,[ike on the ten-ninety-nine (1099)? Y,oq'd give th€m theten-ninety-nine (1099) thing to do?

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MH Okay, so then...and then that way, Cirtle K didn't ha,v,g .couldn't *r"* it up?i..'....'.'|...1:..].ii..:.::.:..

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MH There's a log at Circle'K? , '

GC Yeah.

MH So, they like felt the 1og, and then you'd get the log?

GC Right, I would get the 1og. That way I could keep it, with my...with my records. Iknow who worked, when.

MH

GC

Uh hum.

Um, (inaudible) when you...when you...you know how it works? At least youshould. When you go to uh job, you...you goffa call in.

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Right, (inaudible) right...right.

I'm working off duty, blah...blah...blah...and then it's all documented. It's policy,that we have to do.

MH ...right, okay. But they...but they...uh...paid like beginning of the month, um, so

(inaudible)...

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(Overlapping) Yeah, sometimes

...te11 you when they wanted people, so you'd like do up a schedule at thebeginning of the month;"and that's how, (inaudible) at the beginning of themonth, is that what is was?

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(Overlapping) Gotcha.

You gotta come from me, so that at least I can keep an accurate record of it.

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MH Sure, well that makes sense, seeing (inaudible) in cash. Um, okay and um...itcame back to me, that a couple times checks bounced, does that sound correct?

Twice.

Okay, well do you, can you tell me what happened, why they would havebounced.

away, you know.

Right.

GC Well, there's...there's several different jobs...

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So, I'm like, "Well, you know, it bit me once or turice." And that's it.

Yeah.

You know, and then...and I understood as a business that that can happen. Forinstance, Isenberg who ovrns his complex...

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...they were telling me, "We're giving you a check, don't cash until Friday orMonday." I'm like, "(inaudible)" This is on Scoffsdale or on Camelback Road.

Yeah.

Alright, well I understand. Payroll sometimes can be tricky.

Sure.

You got all kinds of people wanting their checks. So when that...that's kind ofhow it happened, and I don't think I...I mean obviously because of this I'm notthe best record keeper in the world. And that gotr even now I'm still learning todo it.

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It all just came to a head and that was it. It was done.

Were there any jobs that you worked, that you never got paid for, that you canrecall?

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MH Okay, do you know if there are any jobs that any other officers worked that theynever got paid for?

GC No, just that one with the Desert Sun that didn't pay us. But then we had to go tocourt and fight it, and then when we got the money.


MH Did you?

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MH What's Desert Sun (inaudible)?

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MH Yeah, oops, well I hear you. Um, what else do I need to bug you about? Um,how...did you, um, like for the'off duty that you worked, the money that wentthrough services, did you, how did you pay yourself?

GC I just paid myself.

MH Did you just like write a check like you did the other 8uYs, or...?

GC I...yeah I guess, um.

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MH Okuy, um, 'cause I mean I did see like there was maybe some transfers out of thataccount. You'd just sometimes transfer your pay, or what?

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Yeah, I would do it that way too, (inaudible).

Wha...um...and so all that should be documented though, like in the records overat the house, does that sound right?

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I don't even know why they told you they were investigating.

I still don't believe that.

Well, and I'm sorry you don't...you don't know me well enough to know if I wereto be honest with you or not, and thats fair. I mean, I understand that. Um, doyou recall ever leaving an off duty job early.

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GC (Inaudible) talking about this. This all PSB again.

MH Well, I'm not PSB.

GC Right, you're...who are?

MH Attorney General.

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I...I...know what you're doing, I...IVe been there. l

MH (Overlapping) Well...you know...I mean...I'm not gonna, you know, lie to you.I'm not gonna bullshit you, you know. I got...I was asked to investigate, and lookat, um, something that may have happened.

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MH Um, I don't have access to anything that PSB did. I don't want access, because Idon't want to screw up my ovrm investigation with their stuff.

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MH So, you know, if the...if the questions are falling on line, well, you know...

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I can speculate on what they were asking about, and what their (inaudible).

(Overlapping) This is all reminisant, so I...I...left that for that very reason...

Uh hum sure.

...like, I don't like were this is going.

Yeah.

I can see it at narenty (20).

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GC So, everything is documented with ciry. If you were me (inaudible)...

MH (Overlapping) Well I can't...I can't look at their stuff.

GC Then fine, what other questions do you have?

MH Well, again, I mean I would ask you, did you ever leave a job early? I mean, I'mlooking, I got copies of logs, and stuff, and it's not clear to me. So, that's why Iwant to know.

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GC Just like you do when you're on the ciry,

MH Okay, and...yeah...I mean that...that makes total sense.

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MH Um...what wouldn't make sense, is like if somebody left like four (4) hours early,you know, cause (inaudible) ...

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GC They do...they do that on the city. If you're on special deta...detail. "Oh yeah goahead and leave, you've put in a four (4) shift." You know what I mean?

MH 'Cause it's...it's four (4) hour minimum, right, for off duty work?

GC No, well, that did...that varies.

MH Does it?

GC What I'm saying, some details in the city... I ,

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Because we're out in patrol and they time you ev€rything. ...

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early...'Ah you signed off early:?'',,'But yet, you go to a net squad

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I agree...I agree. Um, yeah'cause I mean, in patrol, I don't know about you guys,

but we had, I mean we had an activity log, that had everything in six (6) minuteincrements, and we had to know where we were all the time...

Yeah, it was stupid,..

...en route, everything, so...

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GC ...it was stupid.

MH Um, where was I...

GC What's the next step after this?

MH Um, basically what we're gonna do, is um, we'll take the items, that...that...we'retaking with the results of the search warrant, um; th€y're going to image yourcomputers, so we can get those back to you, as soon as possible. Um, MisterConnell...

GC When you get them ba-ck to us, do you set them bqck up for us? 'Cause I am not acomputer guy, I don't know hornr to (inaudible). ' , .

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MH I think he'll probably help you set that back up. I see what you're saying,plugging in the cords here and there.

GC I had to ask, uh, someone to put this up, (inaudible)...

MH Sure.

GC ...'cause I don't, screw it up.

MH Yeah.

GC I don't know that sruff.

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(Inaudible) it doesn't even have volume, I can't even listen (inaudible), what plugdo I use? You know what I mean. I'm naive when it comes to computer work.

Well, I hear you, I'm the same way. Um, in fact he's the one I always call when Ihave problems.

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MH On there, on the back lists the last couple items that we need copies of. If uh...ifyou still have those in your possession somehow, after we conduct the search, weneed copies of those, those materials, I don't want your originals, no originals.Um, keep all your originals (inaudible). Well let me...let me ask you this, um,obviously I'm not privied to the information on what happened in the I.A. andI...and I don't necessarily want to know.

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Really, I'd rather not, um, but you...you know what questions they were askingyou. Based on what they were asking, is there anything that you can tell me, thatyou would think would be important for me to know, that would help, exoneratein any way, or something that...that you know?

No.

Is there anything else that you can think of, that you wanna tell me about, talk tome about?

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RG I just have one curious question for you, couldn't you have retired after eighteen?Did you retire, or you just quit?

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GC I couldn't have, I opened this too soon, is what I did.

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MH (Overlapping) Uh hum...uh hum.

GC So, it was just too much, both.

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So, with everything going on at work, why would I wanna subject myself to thatkind of treatment, when I can be my own boss over here, and deal with customerswho say "thank you" when they leave versus one's that say "fuck you" forarresting their mom or dad.

Yeah.

It was a no brainer.

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what's the point?

MH Okay, and I guess, you probably didnt heie me,.,!tause you:were looking at it.U[r, items that we don't have, that are on that list...um...you know.If...if...you've got copies of those, they'll need to be provided.

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Okay, well and if it, there's something listed that we don't have, then I just needsomething saying, "Okay, I don't have this, or I don't have that." Just so that wecan close that door.

MH


GC And the number to contact you, is where?

MH On, the subpoena, on this one, right here. That's at five (5) three (3).

GC You're Meg?

MH Yes.

cC Okay.

MH Five (5) three (3), urn, whap...what he waS saving is, um, 'cause I was kind ofsurprised too. 'Cause you could pull part of your retirement, you could(inaudible).

GC It was a deferred...it was a aef,e d orir.-"rrr. , :

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MH Sure, put it in your business?

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MH Yeah, gotcha...can you see it up in there, four-eight-five-three (4853).'tt..,t'

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GC Uh hum, alright.

MH Alright, do you have any other questions for us right now?

GC No.

MH Okay, um, I will ask you to just, um, hang outside for a few minutes, 'til we'redown. I'm guessing that we're probably close to done.


RG

MH

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I pretty sure it's real close.

Yeah.

We're supposed to open at ten (10:00).

There's not a lot.,.uh...a lot of space...for meand it's what time now? Ten-ten (10:10).

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SPECIAT IIWESTIGATIONS SECTIONTRANSCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW

DATE WRITTEN: September 1.0, 2009 NUMBER: P002 2007-003090

CASE NAME: Police Officer Misconduct

REPORT TY?E: Transcription of Interview-Charles Holton

AGENT: M. Hinchey SUPERVISOR: A. Rubalcava PAGE 1 OF 33 PAGE(S)


Persons on Recording: .:

...MH Meg Hinchey ,

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MH Um, so if you would, um, just state your name and spell your last name for me.a .

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CH Yeah, my name Charles Holton it's, uh, H-O-LT-O-N.

MH Great, okay and um and, um, this is Meg Hinchey and Vem Alley here as well.

Um, it's Algust, what is today, the nnrenty-seventh (27^)?

VA rwenty-seventh (27e). :

MH (Inaudible) TWenry-seventh (27").

VA Eleven-nrrelve (11:L2).

MH Eleven-twelve (11:12) okay awesome. I actually have a list of, um, some

questions.

CH Okay.

MH That I'll just kind of use as a guide, I'm not gonna take very long, but um...Okay

so you...you're still currently employed as an Officer for City of Phoenix, right?

CH Yes.

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MH Okay, and do you remember, uh, when you started with Phoenix?

CH Uh, September of two-thousand three (2003).

MH Okay.

CH Yeah.

MH And, um, you know George Contreras?

CH I do.

MH Okay, and how do you know George?

CH Uh, he was a co-worker of mine.

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CH That was his...his, uh, company that he owned.' t.. :, ... -:'

MH Okay. ' ,

CH That was, uh, off-duty or whatever.

MH Do you know what, uh, what...what purpose of Raptor Services was?

CH Um, I think he utilized that company to facilitate,/coordinate any off duty jobs,

um, as a service to the private industry.

MH Okay, alright, um, and did you ever work for George or Raptor Services in an off-duty job?

CH Yes.

MH One the other both, which...which?


CH Um, I've worked for George in an off-du...for when he was a coordinator before

Raptor and then I also worked, uh, for him when it was Raptor.

MH Sure.

CH So.

MH Okay, so you...you've gotten checks that, um, payable to you from Raptor Services

before?

CH Ihave.

MH Okay.

CH Yes. "' , ,

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CH Um, at Thirry-six eighteen (3618) West Buckeye.

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CH And then, uh, there was, oh three (3), sorry, three (3) jobs.

MH That's okay.

CH Um, townhomes, which is on Baseline...Forty-eighth (4B') sffeetish.

MH Baseline?

CH Uh.

MH Maybe Broadway?

CH Broadway, sorry.

MH Okay, that's okay.

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CH Yeah, Forry-eight (48d') Street.

MH Uh hum.

CH Um, and uh Three-three-one (331) West Grant is an apartment complex in like abeat area.

MH Grant Park Apartments?

CH Right.

MH Okay, in regards to the; um, Circle K Truckstop how did you get paid for that job?

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": '." ''MH Okay, that's' what my understanding was. In regards to, um, Grant Park

Apartments, do you remember how you got paid for that?

CH Um, I don't know on the top of my head. I...I wanna Say, uh, I don't remember ifit was a Raptor check or i] it was directly apartrnents. I'd have to look at mypaper work. I don't know off the top of my head.

MH That's alright, okay. Okay, and then, um, for the town houses?

CH Um, I wanna say that was from him directly, (inaudible) Raptor.

MH Okay.

CH Raptor Services.

MH Okay, um, do you remember oR any of those three (3) jobs what each one might

have paid per hour?

CH Yes, um, when I worked for George at the truck stop it was thirty-five ($35).

MH Uh hum.

CH Uh, when I worked at Grant Park that was, uh, fifty (SSO).

MH Okay.

cH And' the town homes was either thirty-five ($ss; or forry ($+01' I don't

remember. ,

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CH More or less the truck stop was my primary off duty job.

MH Okay, do you remember what ttre hst job was you've worked under George being

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MH Uh hum,

CH ...or Grant Park...Grant Park went away, truck stops been there.

MH Okay.

CH So.

MH And to your knowledge, um, for the...the truck stop job, where you paid for all

the hours vou've worked.


(Inaudible) Yes.

Okay.

Yes.

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MH And Grant Park Apartrnents where you paid for all the hours you've worked?

CH Yes.

MH And for the town homes where you paid for all the hours that you worked?

CH Yes.

MH So he does not owe you any money at this point in time?

CH Not me...

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t.CH No...he...he's I've always been pretty adimate about making sure I got paidtime. So, I haven't had any issues with it.

MH Did you hear of anybody else,having issues with getting paid?

CH Sure..:

MH Yeah?

CH Yeah. :

MH Who did you hear had some problems?

CH Um, I don't remember. It was...it was (inaudible) talk, and you know...

MH Sure.

CH ...cops, (inaudible) you know.

MH Yeah.

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And you're gonna hear guys saylnS, "I didn't get paid," this that and the other

thing, and I never...I was never not paid by I've gotten my checks.

Okay.

So.

Um, the Circle K job, can you remember roughly when you first worked it to whenyou last worked it?

Yeah, um I...I started (inaudible) I wanna say I started late two-thousand four(2004) early two-thousand five (2005).

Uh hum.

Probably late t'wo-thousand four (2004),, (inaudible) I had a little bit of time on adeparfinent for about a year. Um, I last worked that job maybe a couple ofmonths ago, um, did you ask about any other job or just that one?

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CH We actually lost the contract.

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MH Did they?

CH ...protection.

MH That was a pretty good deal for.you guys.

CH Which is...(inaudible) thet're paying about ten dollars ($10) an hour for those

guys and apposed to what we were making so it's a win for them.


MH They'll get what they paid for.

CH Yeah, that's exactly right, so.

MH Um, kind of like, uh, D.P.S.

CH Yeah, exactly.

MH And uh, and uh, (inaudible), he's actually a former D.P.S.

CH Oh, okay.j

MH And, uh, they had a deal where they wanted to hire private People to do the,

when they were doing road consftuction stuff to do those jobs..: ,. ,

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MH Yeah.

VA That never works out.

CH Yeah.

VA Dollar wise it's fantastic until stuff starts happening. If nothing ever happens it'llbe great.

CH Yeah, but I that area...in that area.

MH Thirry-five (35*) Ave and Buckeye.

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CH Yeah.

VA Something's gonna happen.

CH Yeap.

VA Not a matter of if.

CH lt's happened when...when commissioned sworn officers have been

work...working on duty.

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you would work, usually?

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Monday, Tuesday's off. So, um ''iit would depend, I...I can't remember myconsistent d.y, but when I switched to a,lsquad (inaudible) where I hadWednesday, Thursday, Friday's off. I was working Wednesday's or Thursday's,

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CH I'd work, uh, we start anywhere from eight (B:00)...

MH Uh hum.

CH ...to six (6:00) at ten (10) hours.

MH Gotcha.

CH Or, uh, seven (7:00) we'd start at seven (7:00) (inaudible) ten (10) (inaudible).

MH Did you ever split your shift with anyone?

CH Yes.


MH Sometimes? And then...

CH Uh, preferably fd split my shift.

MH Sure.

CH So most of my jobs were probably half shifts. Well, I'd say the last year or two Ididn't have shifts (inaudible).

MH Yeah, and from what I understand Circle K was real cool about that.

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MH Um, on the Circle Kjob, uh, is it correct there was only one of you there at time?

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CH No.

MH Okay.

CH No, you...you give the hours on the radio when you're working.

MH Uh hum.

CH Um, I've never since I've worked off duty had ever said, "I'm...1'm done."

MH Okay.

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CH I've always given the hour's pri...prior to and they have it on their comPuter, theyknow that I ended that time.

MH Okay.

CH So.

MH And that...that's always been a little surprising to me, because I use to work inTempe before I went to the A.G.'s Office.

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CH No, we've never been morritored,that intensively.

MH Yeah, it always, that surprised me when I first started to look into this.

CH Yeah...yeah.

MH Just an Officer safety issue is a11..

CH Yeah.

MH Um, okay and did you respond directly to the job or did you go to the precinctfirst?

CH For the Circle K job?

MH Yeah.

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CH I...I usually went straight to the job?

MH Okay.

CH There are times I went to the precinct to get paper work or reload on some

equipment and stuff like that. But for the most time from my home straight to the

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job.

Sure, and was there...is there any kind of a log kept for that job?

The Circle K log, uh, well an off duty Circle K log.

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CH ...she'11 receive calls from off-duty personnel (inaudible) in the hours (inaudible)job numbers.

MH Gotcha, okay.

CH Yeah.

MH And that one is uniform, correct?

CH Yes.

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MH OkaR um, in regards to, uh, the Grant Park Apartments job do you remember thetime frame you worked that job?

CH No, uh, that was...that was a very short lived job, um, I can remember...I knew itwas...it'd be day light hours, when we started, ild then went into the night, so

maybe late early evening and into midnight hour...I don't know. It was never a

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ten (10) hour shift, I know that.

Right, um and when...when do you think you first started working that job andwhen did you stop working that job?

Oh man...I don't...I don't remember.

That's fine.

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No--no it was (inaudible).

Okay, and what about logs for that job?

Um, I don't remember a log for that job. I know there was a binder that we putreports in the event that we generated any. I don't remember if there was aparticular log in that binder though.

Okay, um on that job, um, did you...you report directly to the location or did yougo to precinct first?

MH

CH Like I said, sometimes I'd go to the precinct.

MH Uh hum.

CH But most of the time, majority of the time.

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MH But you weren't required to?

CH No--no--no.

MH Okay.

CH No-no.

MH Okay, um and on that one did you t)?ically check off on the radio before andafter the job or before the job?

CH Before.:

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CH I keep my pay stubs, I'd have.to find them ,

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CH I mean I do it by year.:':

MH Sure.

:CH I pretty sure I'd dig'em up somewhgre.

MH Okay, and then in regard to the town homes, um when do you think you firstworked that job, when was the last time you probably worked that job?

CH Oh, I didn't work that much. I worked, uh, (inaudible) it's two-thousand nine(2009)...I--I can't remember exactiy.

MH

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Uh hum.

It was either like naro-thousand seven (2007) or six (6).

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MH Okay.

CH Um, and I couldn't tell you the month.

MH Yeah.

CH I started or the last job I worked (inaudible).

MH That's cool, um you said you didn't work ittimes do you think if you just had to guess?

very many times, about how many

CH I don't know. I--I wanna say, I may be completely wrong, I don't remember butno more then eight (B) to ten (10) times. I don't know.

MH Okay.

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CH Um, that job wasn't my regular job. It wasn't something that I had consistently.Uh, it's whenever...whenever George had an opening'and he through me a job, I'dtake it. So, I'd probiibly stop 'cause usually the job stopped or my spot got filledand he had (inaudiblO personne!. I don't remember.

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CH Butl knowthejob ended.

MH Uh hum.

CH I know the off duty job stopped.

MH Right.

CH So that's probably a contributing factor.

MH Right.

CH I don't know when I stopped to relation to when the job stopped.

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MH Yeah, did you ever experience a time when maybe George would be mad at you

so he wouldn't give you jobs?

CH Um, I don't know.

MH You don't (inaudible)?

CH I--I--I can't (inaudible) say that, directly, that he was mad at me so I didn't get ajob.

MH Personally? l

CH Yeah.

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'You're not available so I'm not gonna give you a job," type deal.it: 1" '

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said that like if he called 'em, last minute, or what ever the case may be and say,

"Hey I'fill in;" and theyrcouidn't do it, he...it was like, okay he'd bypass you for awhiie.

CH There's an issue that, yes, if you didn't...if you didn't, uh, if you didn't make the

time...if you didn't respond when he needed you, theirs is, there's a little bit ofissue with that. But I mean,,nothing ever greatly affected me because I wasn't a--

a normal employee for that job.

MH That job, sure.

CH Circle K I'had for a while, then I lost it, so.

MH Sure--sure...on--on the tov,n houses do you remember, roughly, what kind of, um,

hours were worked for that job?

CH Again, I know it was day light when we started and night time when we ended.


MH Uh hu.

CH So, I couldn't tell you the hours that we worked or finished. But I just

remember...

MH Sure.

CH ...time of day, if you will.

MH Nope, I get that. Um, do you remember if you ever worked any holidays?

CH Probably, I don't remember, but I'm, maybe I did..,I don't.

MH Um, and how many officers worked that job at a time?

CH Two (2).

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MH Okay, do you remember, uh, if there was a log?

CH Um, I knew there was a log. I know there's a log. I don't know, I don't remember

if it was like uh...like uh, matrirlike we have, like a Circle K job...: ..

MH Uh hum.

CH ...I just know that there was a binder if we had any reports, we put 'em in there.

MH Okay.

CH I'm sure there was some 1og, I just remember, it's been a...ids been a long time.

MH Right, and for that job did you check on radio?

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CH Meaning, did we (inaudible)?

MH lVhen you...when you went todispatch?

the job, did you clear on the air, or uh, with

CH Yes, I usually do.

MH Okay.

CH I don't see why I wouldn't unless the person I'm riding with took care of it for me.

.:MH Sure, okay um that one you--you got a car and obviously there's the M.D.T. in the

car, at what point would the M.D.T. be signed on?

CH (Inaudible) and get to the precinct, get in the car, get your gear, um, (inaudible)

the job. ,.Typically the.-the sign on time would start right around the time we

started, (inaudible) give ol take some.:.a couple minutes here and there.

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CH So...

MH What was the process for getting a car for, when you had a car for the job?

CH We had to get a car from--from the pool of cars in the back. They weren't

designated, they weren't pre-stage for us to use

MH Uh hum.

CH So it required a little bit of digging around times to get a car.

MH Sure.

CH So.

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MH And then did you have to check that out with anyone (inaudible), how did you?

CH I don't think we signed out manually as far as pen and paper.

MH Uh hum.

CH Um, but just like the off duty, I think you give a car number. I think we gave a car

number to the Police Aide.

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Activity and stuff.

When we first started is was rather, uh, it was rather busy.

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Um, foot traffic, a lot of vehicle traffic, a lot of radio response, that area's always

been a problem. So, um it kept us, it kept us pretty busy.

I would imagine.

Yeah.

We were commenting, we both run through that complex once or twice in ourcareers.

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CH It actually--it actually shaped up when we, toward the latter stages of the off dutyjob, um, night and day, quite honest.

MH Right (inaudible) um, and can, so it's almost like its ovrn little beat. Does thatsound right?

CH Yeah, it's like your little--your little island.

MH Sure, what--what reasons would there be, that would cause the officers, uq,working that off duty shift to have to leave the tovrm homes. rWhat can you thinkoff

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CH Yes. ''

MH That's what you said? Okay, Grant Park, I didn't ash how often, um, did you get

paid? Do you remember? l

CH How many times I got paid or how often?

MH How frequently?

CH Um, I think there was a delay on that palrment. I think it was maybe a week orafter the job.

MH Okay.

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CH So, it would*it would come when ever they did billing or pay out, so when we gota check.

MH So.

CH Unlike Circle K where you showed me a check right there each shift.

MH Right, so for Grant Park did you paid like once a month, every couple weeks, do

you remember that?

CH I did work it consistently enough to know.

MH Okay.

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MH Right, did you'ever have any problems getting in a timely manner, from George

when he was the coordinator?

CH Um, uh few times, um I never,waited over a month or two, you know, it was

usually two (2) to three (3) weeks before I got a check, so.

MH Okay, and um.

CH Maybe anywhere from a week to three (3) weeks I get a check. It really depends.

MH Right, um in regards to any of these three (3) jobs, do recall ever leaving any ofthose jobs before the end of shift?

CH Yeah...yeah.

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For what reasons?

Um, I don't know the reasons. I do know there were a couple times, uh, when Iroad with George. He worked a job with when l...when I worked. I worked acouple...I worked a couple times with other people. I think I worked with him ahandful of times, maybe.

And what job, Grant Park or Town Homes?

Both.

Okay.

Both, um, to be honest I think I worked more jobs at Grant Park with him then Idid the, uh, Town Homes. I didnt.,.I don't remember working with him.

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CH Uh, food if you need it.

MH Sure.

CH It's a shorter shift (inaudible) was never a problem.

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MH Let me just tell you one thing that I...that I had some concerns about that I saw. Iwant to say that there was a time that recall, George was scheduled Grant Park.

And let's say it was a noon (12:00) to four (4:00) shift.

CH Right.

MH Um, and I can shgw he was in a restaurant from nrelve-thirty (12:30) to two(2:00). Do you see that that would be justified by any reason?

CH No, I don't even remember that happening.

MH (Inaudible) payrng for me, so.

CH Yeah...no.

MH No I'm not, and I don't know that you would remernber, I'rn just asking youropinion, having worked, is there any reason that when it's a four (4) hour shiftsomeone would have to go sit down and rest (inaudible) for an hour-and-a-half.,, ' :':i ..

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um leaving a shift early. Tell me what--what you do recall about that?

CH Not much, um, he *u, ,fr. loss..,,If he saii it was time to go, we had--we had togo and take care of some things,prior to me getting there, then we left.

MH Uh hum.

CH You know. It wasn't, I don't recall ever leaving hours in advance from a job.

MH Uh hum.

CH Um, but I--I'm pretty sure there were times we left half-hour previous.

MH Uh hum.

CH Prior to the end time, or, when ever he said we go, we go.

MH Gotcha.

CH So.

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MH Okay, and that--and that is--is what most have explained to me, is that theyviewed him in a Supervisor tFpe position. Even though he didn't have any stripsor anything, he was the coordinator.

CH lt's his job.

MH Okay.

CH His job, and he made, he does all logistics with the private side, the owner, thepeople that--that employ us.

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you remember leaving when he left early.

CH I don't know. I have no idea.

MH And I know, I'm asking to go back, and that's fine. I'm totally cool with ttrat.

CH Yeah.

MH Um, so um, in regards to like, uh, the Town Homes, you said you got paid later.Do you remember ever any period that, at Circle K when you didn't get paid bythem direcdy, that you got paid by George?

CH Yes, I do recall a time. Um, there was a very brief period where, uh, instead ofgetting paid direcdy from Circle K.

MH Uh hum.


CH (Inaudible) Um, I thi...I believe Raptor Services was utilized as the billing slash

um paying.

MH Uh.

CH Organization if you will.

MH Right.

CH So, there I think a brief period of time where I got checks from Raptor Services forthe Circle Kjob.

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When it was under...when Raptor was paying you?

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Is when the delay in payment began

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Um, when we got paid directly by Circle K it was never an issue.

Absolutely.

Um, but when it got that official title Raptor Services, there was a delay inpa).ment. Again, I'm not the guy that went through the month or two like some

guys were talking about not getting paid.

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But, uh, there was definitely a dispar between how frequent I got paid in the past,

as apposed to how I got paid, once he utilized Raptor Services as.

Uh hum, did he ever explain to you why there was that delay?

No, um, again I--I hounded him.

That' probably why you got paid.

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I mean if I...if I felt that there was a--a delay. ,'

Uh hum.

You know, I made it known that there was a delay, and "Hey, is my check in orwhat?" You know, and I got a check in my box a couple days later, a week lateror whatever it is. That's because I prompted him.

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CH Yeah, I don't...I don't reiall havinglike; r'whatls the deal?" It was always, "fll get

it to you," or something. I don't.'].I d-on't remember.

'.MH Sure.

CH lt's been a long time.

MH Sitting in Hine-sight do have speculation or do you have knowledge as to why youthink it was delayed?

CH I have speculation.

MH What do you think?

CH I have no...I have no proof or anything to believe some.

MH Did vou know he billed a month in advance?

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CH I did hear something about that. I did here that there was...uh...uh a pre-payment by I think Circle K payrng us in advance for services, urn, which wouldkind of not explain why there would be a delay in payment from him in reftrn.So, I know that was an issue, and of course I had my speculation on that.

MH What's that?

CH I just think money'was handled improperly and it was poor management onsomebodt's paft. And, again I don't know if we really did get paid in advance,that's what I heard.

MH Uh hum.

CH That's what he, I think the proposed plan was.

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CH He has a business. He had a personal business.

MH What's that?

CH Raptor Guitars.

MH Okay.

CH A guitar shop (inaudible).

MH You know this.

CH Yeah--yeah I know...I know.

MH When I ask you questions, but I...but I have to hear your answers, 'cause I can't

impose my answer on you, so um.

CH (Overlapping) I gotcha...right--right--right. Yeah, he's got a Raptor Service or--or

company.

MH Do you, um, do you have any knowledge or even--even speculation about the fact

that maybe that had played a part in the problem with the money?

CH Personal belief?

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established in relation to the issues that we had during off duty. There was some

concern as to whether or not the t'wo (2) were connected.

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CH Yeah. '

MH 'Cause you'd think that people wouldn't, um, alright um, and to your knowledgeyou ever paid for hours that you did not work at an off duty job, other than the

times you told me that you left when George did?


CH No.

MH Okay.

CH I don't--I'm not.

MH Those would be the only times that that would have happened?

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CH Correct.

MH Okay, alright. I think that's it. Do you have any questions of me right?

CH No

MH Okay I do have, I told you I've got a subpoena for you. This is just, um, really is toprotect you as much as anything else.

CH Okay... . ... '

MH lt's a Grand Jury subpoena? um, you do not it does not mean you have to appear.

What it is is it's asking you to provide me copies of some of those documents that,:

CH Cool.

MH UrD, and uh, the subpoena date, were we go, it's the fifteenth day of September.rYou'll:1otice,dow1 here it'll alternativef fou maf,.comply by delivering, just callme and get those ltems to me ancl thars now comply.

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MH That's not w-hat it is. It's just if--if someone where to say, "I don't have 'em. I'mnot gonna.'.jl'm not gonna respond." Whatever, they would be required to--appear in court, no big deal.

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CH Cool.

MH And itts prety straight forward, it's just um, you know as I'm sure you can

speculate, I have...I have a lot of records that I have, um, seized in other means.

CH Uh hum.

MH But I'd like to know if what you got is what, I'm finding.

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Services and George.' It says rwo-hundred forty dollars ($240) in compensation.

Do you remember ever getting, uh...uh...um, I don't say W-2, I'm sorqr, ten-

ninety-nine (1099), that ieally wasn't accurate? It looked you made, You should

have, it should have indicate more money or less or, were there any that you ever

remember questioning?

Um, no.

CH Cool, yeah whatever.

MH I mean, you can see, in fact I even have um, here I have copies of a couple of old,

um, old W-2's. Do those look like, look familiarrto you? That might even be a

copy of the same one. I didn t just look. I

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MH Okay.

CH Because when ever I got paid, I made sure my amount was the same hours that I

worked.

MH Uh hum.

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Like I should be doing?

Like we all should do these things and we don't.

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Services, I didn't work much.

MH Oh, okay...okay.

CH Do you see what I'm saYing?

MH That makes sense. Yeap I do.

CH So.

MH 'Cause you were pretty much Circle K and that was direct pay from them.

CH Right.

MH Did you have problems with ten-ninety-nine's (1099's) from Circle K?


CH Uh, maybe one year.

MH Uh hum.

CH A couple late, maybe a couple years they were like late.

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there.

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perceived...

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CH ...a futl shift and (inaudible) log book. We'd split shifu, you know.

MH Right.

CH I don't know if there was an issue of people not documenting in the log book, and

they didn't just didn't catch it or what. But as far me personally I never had an

issue not getting paid.

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MH Sure, alright cool. Any questions?

CH That's it.

MH Alright, what are we? Eleven...(11)

CH Forty-three (43).

MH Forty-ttree (43).

End of recording.

STATE OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF T}IE ATTORNEY GENERAL

SPECIAL I}NESTIGATIONS SECTIONREPORT

DATE WRITTEN BYAGENT: October 1, 2009

CA,SE NAIVIE: Police Offiqer Misconduct

REPORT TIfPE: Interview Transcript

PAGE 1 OF 2s PAGE(S)

NUMBER: AGI P002 2007-003090Doc #576778

MH: Meg HincheyKB: Kathr5m BaillieCE: Chris Eyrich

MH: Okay it is now what is about fourteen twenty hours (14:20),rffi, and this is Special Agent Meg Hinchey 'still with Kathr5m

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"MH: Sorry I just (inaudible) uffi, I'm guessing that Kathr5m(inaudible) gave you an idea to what we were going to talk about

CE: Yes maam

MH: Okay so I'11 pull my list and we'll get through this as quicklyas possible, and I apologize for the delay we had a few preliminaryquestions to take care of

CE: No worries

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MH: Before we started the last one um so is there any thing youwould like to talk about before we start

KB: No

MH: Okay alright some of the questions are so blindly obvious

KB: You know I will say he got a business card from

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KB: Yea and any way he and he was told that he's a witness so onthe business card it says that he was just a witness so I don't knowif that's going to be uh

MH: Well that would be correct at this juncture uh again

KB: Okay

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MH: I'11just explain to you kind of how we exPlained

KB: Right

MH: Um there's there's um as you probably have sumized if you

haven'r been directly told this is um involving off duty work as

Phoenix Police Officers Security Senrices um and it those jobs

primary coordinated well coordinated by George Contreras umobniously we have a few'concerns and based on the records and

such that we've seen this far there's kind of a we call it a spectrumif you will of officers to where, ah it appears some someone gotpaid may be for more then wtrat officers hlve actually worked,when I say someone I can't say it wasn't an officer, I can't a wasn'ta business I can't but it appears there's a discrepancy and we'retying to determine what those discrepancy are in_ this spectrumtirere are officers that if that Was the case you knoW probablydidn't even realized,that that had happen I'm I making sense?

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MH: Um where-as we $ot'.,,the. more agleges that there's noquestion you know and um -our target in particular is our primaryfocus

CE: Okay

MH: Okay um and um what I can tell you is on that spectrum ifthis is Mister Contreras I can tell you right now from what I've

seen already your like way down here okay so we can't say that no

one will end up a suspect we like to think no one will

CE: Sure

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MH: No one as will because obviously you know as we explainedearlier It's very as to us as officers

CE: Absolutely

MH: As I'm sure you um

CE; It's disturbing

MH: Very much so um and and when when somebody is gettingsome blame blamed on them um wtlo may be a little guilty

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excuses and you know just kind of focus it narrow it down um andas such I'll just give this to you now um

CE: Thanks

MH: That's why yes as far as we're concern at this juncture you'reconsidered a witness I have no reason to believe you're going tomigrate into any other category I have no reason to believe thatsitting right here can I guarantee that no I can't until I talk to youand exam all the evidence does that make sense?

CE: Absolutely

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MH: So um and um Chris this is a Grand Jury Subpoena andKathqm has seen it and you'll see it's the same basically what it'ssaylng is um we're asking for a I'll go baclanrards Its easier we'reasking for you to provide these documents or a statement sayingyou don't have them I'm not asking you to go out the departmentand get any thing that you have in your possession or any thing inthat nature will do that um but if you have any thing that youknow may be can um collaborate or not um something else thatsomeone is providing you, know that what we're tr,nng to do iskind of do a comparison um we need these documents by thesixteen (16'n) of September this says you are order to appear youdon't have to appear y,ou just need to comply with this

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CE: Okay

MH: And I didn't mention that to Austin I mean yea Austin sorryJake and Austin get me a little confuse

KB: We wilt definitely have either pick up or hand delivery justbecause of the nature of the documents um in the mail system

MH: Absolutely

KB: I would prefer not to have any Q4le of police officerinformation going through the mail system

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MH: Absolutely, and I firmly agree some people you know we justprovide the opportunity any of those ways so just contact me and

and again that's the easiest way I just need to have those by thisdate we're not asking any body to appear on that day

CE: Okay

MH: That's just if someone wasn't gonna comply then they wouldhave to go before the Grand Jury and explain why

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CE: Okay

MH: Okay so down to and I'm hoping this will go a little quicker Is

it correct you're employed as a Police Officer for the City ofPhoenix Police Department?

CE: Yes

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MH: And do you remember when you recall starting with PhoenixPD?

CE: I originally started with Phoenix PD in I believe it was Januaryof ninety nine (99)

MH: Okay and um do you recall at what point you wereauthorized from from that date to perform off duty securityservices do you remember w-hat the time'frame is what the waiting

CE: Ah I know what it is now I don't remember what it was then

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CE: I beliewe they adjusted'the wait period for us

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CE: Because we had prior experience

MH: Sure, sure where were you before Phoenix?

CE: Ah California

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CE: Yea

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MH: You came to this heat

CE: I grew up here

MH: Oh okay alright fair enough

CE: Family is here

MH: And pays not typically:as good although we're catching uP alittle bit

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CE: And I worked on second shift there and he also coordinatedseveral off duty jobs

MH: Okay and have you heard of Raptor Services

CE: Yes

MH: Can you tell me what you know about Raptor Services

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CE: Atr I don't know much I just know that that is his company offthrough which he coordinates off duty that's my understanding

MH: Okay and um and obviously I know the answer to thisbecause that's why you're here have you ever worked ah in a

Phoenix Police Department off duty job

CE: Yes

MH: can you recall the names of some of the jobs you've workedor as many as you can recall (inaudible)

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apartment complex and we just kind of sat in theii meeting roomand stood by tor four (4) hours

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CE: I covered one persons shift at like nineteenth (19*) avenue

and Broadway there's a Sunnies Market or something like that umpeople would come and cash their checks

MH: Um hmm

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CE: And so on Friday's he liked to have people there in uniformpresents

MH: Okay

CE: Um I think once or twice I worked I worked traffic just thegeneric you stand by the tag machine in hundred and ten (110)degree heat I did that just a couple times before I never did thatagain

MH: Did your feet sink in the asphalt?

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CE: Not to my recollection no

MH: Okay um do you recall so we'll talk about the cotton centerthis will go fairly quickly um do you recall at the Cotton Center forthat job what you were paid per hour

CE; No

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MH: Okay um do you remember about the time frame um theyears, months or what ever that you worked that job beginning toend roughly when the last time was may be when you stated

CE: I um I our squad (Inaudible) covered the weekend from what Iremember

MH: Um hmm

CE: And so most of the time I filled in for people um they couldn'tget on of the days covered I would filI in or if somebody hadsomething I would cover that last minute I probably worked i!from what I remember tenish (10) six (6)to ten (10) times offhand I don't remember but um so I remember I would I'm justestimating from like January of 06 to wheh I actually left SouthMountain Precinct I left th€re'in July first (1') 06 -," ' ' '

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CE: So may be like a seven (7*) month period and that's justestimation from it being a while.flgo' . '

MH: Sure and what was the reason you stopped working that offduty job

CE: Because I was transferred out of patrol I went Specially Detailand um I was completely out of Patrol Bureau away from theentire an entire group of people working that off duty

MH: Okay and you said you worked weekends do you rememberroughly what hours on the weekends

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CE; Um they were second shift hours but I don't remember exactlywhen our start time and end time was

MH: Okay do you remember how long the shift was

CE: I believe it was a ten (10) hour shift

MH: Okay um do you remember if you ever worked any youworked any holidays

CE: I don't remember ever working holidays

MH: okay ao ybt rememb.i i+.iletting iuia double time

CE: Ah no I don't rem€mber ever getting paid double time,. .'

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CE: Today there'was'one (1) police car with two (2) officers in it

MH: Okay you answered my next question um and where did youah report for that job did you report to the precinct or to the site

CE: Um well there's things we had to do and by reporting I'm notsure what you mean but we had to go to the station a few times Iremember the binder or our work logs and everything sometimesthey're at the station some times there actually at the job site

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CE: So depending on where this binder was we would have to go

there pick that up um kind of keep track of what we did um so

were we initially reported kind of depend on where the binder was

at that time

MH: Does it sound fair to say that probably reported to theprecinct each time to pick up a car though

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ask them for the keys of the car and we were working off duty and

I think at that time they would just put you on the off duty log and(inaudible) front desk they put you in there they log your vehicle

number and if I rememb.t lott.ctly on the actual work log you

had ro pur your mileage on that log if I remember and that was it

MH: Okay um have iou wer,,coordinated an off duty job.

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MH: Okay are you aware of whether or not the client is billed forthat use of that car

CE: Well I'm only because I'm studytng for the sergeant test

MH: There we go so the answer is yes they are billed

CE; Yes they are billed

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MH: Okay thank you well since you're studying for the sergeanttesr sorry you said that um who's responsible for making sure thatthe information on that vehicle is billed

CE: Coordinator

MH: Okay thank you um you mention a log ah tell me what youcan recall about what that log was fOr what,was kept on the log

CE; Um again its its:vague because we had work logs at work attimes and all but we had to have both officers name ah and I thinkthe vehicle number beginning and end miles um what reports ifwe made contacts they wanted who we contacted that you knowwe checked them for warrants um if we impounded an vehiclesum if we booked any body the booking numbers their names Imean basically any activity that could possibly be documentedthey want it on there because um George wanted to be veryproactive : t-,. ', .' ., " ,,, ' ,,t' .,,1

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documented to show that we were there and working hard

MH: Sure, sure if I was the client I would want that

CE: Absolutely

MH: Absolutely um when you respond to that job and when youcleared that job do you recall if you checked with dispatch in thebeginning and end of the shift

CE; Um I don't think we were require to do that at that time

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MH: And my understanding is that's changed since then

CE; Yes

MH: Okay do you remember how you were paid for that job, whopaid you

CE: I'm probably ninety (901 percent sure so it's an estimation on

my part but I'm ninety::(9),percent sure that the check was fromthe Cotton Center Tornrnhome I don't remember I don't specificallyremember getting any thing that said Raptor Services or anythingon it so

MH: Okay okay do you remember how often you were paid for thejobhowfrequentlytheyissuedthechecks.....

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CE: Um well it goes through the off dury um work detail but it'scoordinated by George but it supenrised by ah a separate detail

MH: Sure so I guess what I'm getting at um sorry I wasn't clear onthat question but it's authorized by and goes through the Phoenix

PD

CE: Authorized

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MH: Okay and it makes sure for insurance purposes if yourPhoenix Police Officer

CE: Yea

MH: And you're working that position, uffi did you so you werepaid directly from the Cotton Center do you recall being issued tenninety-nines (1099) working at that job

CE: Inaudible

MH: Okay I'm going to'throWa couple of names out and if you tellme if you recall at all working with these officers um do you recallever working a shift at Cotton Center with William B---- am I

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CE: He wasn't

MH: I didn't think so but do you recall working with okay

CE: Yes

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MH: Um do you recall working the shifts there with any otherofficers

CE: Not with out looking at specific work logs

MH: Sure

CE: Those were the people that,were on my squad that who Iworked with

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MH: Okay uni you said you don't remember being issued a tenninety nine (1099) for that job um do you recall working any jobsthat Raptor Serviies would of paid you

CE: I dont remernbsl if, at the beginning and this is where I'm kindof confused

MH: Sure.

CE: On how I was paid I don't I want to say that George initiallypaid us but see he initially paid us for the Townhome but then itshifted may be because I remember the check was a big greencheck and it said um Cotton Center Toumhomes on it but I alsowant to say at the beginning may be I was it was paid through the

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company but then again that's just its so long ago and I worked itso infrequently I honestly

MH: Right

CE: Honestly can't give you um answer with out kind of guessing

MH: Okay

CE: I'm kind of filling in the blankst,

MH: No, and that's fine I aonli, need you to guess I mean if youIremember something great if not that's fine to you know obviously

I'm kind of following numbers and paper and stuff and one (1) ofthe things I found up was a ten ninety-nine (1'099) that and I'mnot saying that you ever received,this I donlt,',know that

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CE: Not with out looking at my at my tax records but

MH: Okay yea okay

CE: If they got sent out then

MH: And I don't know if they did

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CE: Okay

MH: I'm just being honest with you for example, on this particularten ninety- nine (1099) um it looks like these look like differentcopies of the same form and this these you know how ten ninety-nine (1099) are issued and like on your W-2 and stuff you getcopy one (1) copy B copy C

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MH: These three (3) all look the same this one looks slightlydifferent um juSt because of the way the setting was but again youknow we got an error here that wasn't there so

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MH: Does that make sense

CE: Yes

MH: So um but you don't I mean off top of your head you don'trecall getting any so and that's fine okay.. .. Is it correct your serialnumber is seventy nine sixty five (7965)

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CE: That's correct

MH: Okay, I'm kind of surprised you didn't test for sergeant beforenow

CE: Well

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CE: I had a really good job foi the last several years so I stick it out

MH: Yea, I've done that you know I been asked why don't you testfor sergeant I like what I'm doing I'm not bored that's the beautyof the job when you start to want some change there's a lot ofchange opportunities um okay and this is just um this just and

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CE: To the best of my recollection and I don't know if I worked inDecember or you know what I mean it was some where in thebeginning of the year

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MH: Sure and then maybe stuff from December that just isn't onhere but if there was stuff out side of what you have mention Iwant to say do you remember working during that time

CE: Right

MH: You know so um okay are you aware of or can you tell me

any reasons why an officer working at the Cotton Center wouldhave to leave the work site during the .shift.

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wanted at least one (1) arrest pfeferably two (2) so when ever youmake an arrest depending on what it is' um sometime if it's awarrant you can gostraight to the jail but um but I believe at thatpoint they were initiating the they are what is called'AcDc whichis where we, put our booking informationr in the computer systemand it was neW so you actually had to do that at the station so

MH: That's the pre-booking right

CE: Yes

MH: Okay

CE: So you go and so all the pre-booking stuff um all the otherpaper work collect personal property um take the person out ofthe jail that was always a nightmare that was always an hour atleast commitment because the jail was relatively new at that point

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MH: Yea

CE; Um and then all of the documentation that went along with ityou had to impound property um impound personal property ifyou had any you had to ah if you seized any vehicles say you madea drug arrest or what ever you had to go that complete any kind ofreports any other additional booking paper work all that need tobe completed at the station and there was really a place at theTor,rrnhomes that was either provided or 52fs , to complete thatpaper work it all needed to be done off site

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CE: Yes absolutely

MH: Okay um and actually I think um and I think I knew that thepre-booking opportunity has probably just been instated beforethose because on some of the logs sheets do you remember thelittle stickers you print out with their little great booking photo

CE: Ah I don't remember that

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MH: Yea there some of them on log sheets

CE: Okay

MH: SO um some don't have some do so I can tell it was kind ofthat time frame

.:CE: Sure

MH: That that was kicking in um do you have any knowledge ofofficers leaving the job site before the end of there job shift for anyother reasons ,,.,..,,-,,1..,,,. .:,..;. I ,' .,.

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CE: Not personally no'

MH: Okay or other wise um'yoU know,um

CE: Like specific instance or why hypothetically someone willleave um I'm confused

MH: No, specific instance

CE: Okay

MH: I'm sorry

CE: No

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MH: Thank you um and you gave me a great example to whysomebody would need to be gone form the site for a long period oftime but obviously that's all documented um can you think of anyreason police related hypothetically that wouldn't be documentedin some way

CE: Well it wouldn't be police related but I would be you a familyemergency, personal emergency something like that but um

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CE: Police related not that I carr,think of off the top of my headr't:t:i':'

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-were you paid for time for working an off dutysecurity seMces job thqt you didnrt complete'the whole shift

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CE: Okay

MH: Do you have any questions for me?

CE: I don't

MH: Do you have any

KB: No

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MH: Okay alright fourteen forty five hours (1445)

STATE OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERATSPECI.AL II{VESTIGATIONS SECTION

REPORT

DATE WRITTEN BY AGENT: September 17,2008

CASE NAIVIE: SW2OOB-0031,49

REPORT TY?E: Transcription of Interview with Art, J.

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Persons on recording:

DB: Dave BaizeJA: James ArtAC: Armando Cruz

DB It is August twenty-seventh Q7\ at about nine fwenty-seven (9:27) A.M. We'regoing to interview Ar...or...James Art. And we're at his home, atlb

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Yes, sir.

How are you?

How are you guys?

Pretry good, we don't have another storm.

Yeah, it's good.

I'm Special Agent Dave Baize

Armando Cruz.

From the Attorney General's Office. We are, uh, conducting interviews in to ourinvestigation our office is doing, concerning off duty work.

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Have some questions we'd like to ask you, if we could?

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Is it a litde dog?

(Inaudible) it's a puppy...puppy, he's...

Those are the dangerous ones

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Uh, we're record the, uh, conversation.

(Inaudible) let's go outside, come on buddy,on, stay there.

Yes.

And when did you start with the Phoenix P.D.?

Um, I'd say February Ninety-seven ('97).

And do you know George Contreras?

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DB Not very old, is he?

JA No, he's maybe naro-and-a-half (2t/z) months. He's does chew on everything.

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DB And, your name is?

JA James Art, last name's spelled A-R-T.

DB And your serial number?

JA Six-five-nine-zero (6590).

DB And we're at your home, uh, is it correct that you're employed as a Police Officerwith the Ciw of Phoenix?

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Yes.

And, how do you know George?

Um, I work, I've worked with him in a precinct, ild worked off duty with him.He was a coordinator of some the jobs I worked.

Have you heard of Raptor Services?

Yes.

lyVhat do you know about Raptor Services?

Um, not a whole lot, I...I think that was George's um, company that he had.

And you haven't worked off duty with him, uh...? lVhat off duty jobs have youworked?

Um, mostly I worked at that, at the Circle K Truckstop, at uh, Thirty-six eighteen(3618) West Buckeye. I've worked here and there with him, at uh, miscellaneousjobs. You know, I have like one (l)...one (1) or two (2), three (3) day jobs, likefestivals and those kind of things. Uh, there was a job at the townhomes, um,Forty-eight (48'h) Street and Broadway.

Is that the Cotton Center, what they refer to as the Cotton Center?

Yes, uh hum.

Uh, do you recall how much you were paid per hour on those jobs?

Um, I...uh...I wanna say the Cotton Center was forty-five ($45) an hour. But I...Idon't...forty ($+01 to forty-five ($+s; an hour, I don't really recall. Circle K wentfrom, uh, I think the Circle K is always been thirty-five ($35) an hour...and thenthe uh, three (3) day deals I don't remember what we made there.

Uh and George Contreras was the coordinator at those jobs.

Yeah, as far I know.

Uh, what was the last job you worked, uh, under George?

It would probably be Circle K.

And have you been paid, uh, all of the hours, for all the jobs that worked for him?

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\,Vhen did you, uh, begin working at, specifically the job? Let's take this Circle Kwhen did you start working that job?

Um, it's probably been close to three (3) years now, that I started. Um, I workthere and my schedule changed so I stopped working there because, uh, I couldn'twork that day anymore. And, then I got, uh, a different day there. I worked offand on there, for three (3) years. But, for the bulk of the three years, mostly I didwork there. Um, so what it's probably nrro-thousand and five (2005) I started.

And, are you still working there?

Um, right now I'm not. But I'm...someone's filling in for me temporarily.

Well, does that me that you'llbe going back there to work, or...?

Yeah, I'm uh, working...I'm involved with an investigation that requires six (6),seven (7) days a week, so I don't have the time to work there right now. Butwhen I go back to my normal schedule which will be in a month or so, yeah I'11 be

working back there.

What hours and days did you work at that job?

Um, uh, I wanna say I worked uh, on Monday's to start with, from uh, eight(B:00) P.M. to six (6:00) A.M. And then, uh, when my schedule changed I wentto Friday nights from eight (B:00) P.M. to six (6:00) A.M.

And, uh, what was the rate of pay for that job?

Thirty-five ($3s; and hour.

And was that suaight time, over time, or did you get a different rate of pay ifworked on a holiday?

No, I don't think we got any kind of different rates working there, and holidays.

How many PPD officers worked at that job?

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Um, I would say...I would say between ten (10) and fifteen (15). Normally it's aten (10) hour shift every night. So, uh, normally guys would work the wholeshift. Some nigha the shift was split five (5) and five (5). So, I would say in aweek ten (10) to fifteen (15) officers would work there.

Did...did it require a marked unit on the site?

Um, I think it use to, but that was before my time? But it doesn't, I didn't everhave one.

What was the typical shift at Circle K?

Um, pretty boring, you'd show up, stand around and make sure people don't robthe place. Basically we used to be in charge of the parking lots, the truck stop,there's that have prostitutes and people selling drugs to the truck drivers. We'dshew them off. Tlley sort of went away from that. Circle K was only having oneemployee in that store at...at night, so um, if we were out from the parking lot.They were fair game, so we started, uh, they decided to have us stay inside andjust basically watch the...the uh cashiers.

Uh, did you respond directly to that job, or did you start at the precinct and thengo to the job?

Um, well I, uh, for a while I would respond from my house. I would work aftermy...my regular work shift, and there's about a four (4) hour, three (3) period.So I would go to our union building and sleep, and then I'd respond from there.But, yeah, normally it was from another location, it wasn't right from theprecinct.

Oh, okay. But you started I mean as far as that work job was concerned it startedwhen you got there?

Oh, yes...yes...yes...it started when I got there.

And did you check off with...or check in with dispatch, or...?

Yeah, um, I think the policies changed in three (3) years. But typically you call,you would call under the precinct, get put in an off duty 1og. And then, uh, theywere having us call or clear over the radio, um, on a certain frequency, to checkin with the dispatcher.

And how were you paid for that job?

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Um, for the longest time Circle K would issue a cashiers check, and then cash itout right there. Um, then uh, (inaudible) maybe a year ago, um, George was

paying us.

(Inaudible) how often were you paid? Initially were you paid for the shift as youdid it?

Oh yeah, um, yeah when we, initially how we got is you...you walked in there.You were paid by the first twenty (20) minutes (inaudible) there. You would get

the cash, they would issue a cashiers chech cash it out. Then you would have

cash. Then it went from that to George writing us checks.

And was that paid in advance or after (inaudible)?

No it was usually...it was hit and miss. It wasn't like a real strict schedule. Oh

that sucks.

Was there a uh log kept for the job or anything?

Um yeah, Circle K you would also, when you get there, sign into a 1og that theykept um, behind the...the counter.

Was that just a sign in, activiry, did you report aaivity to...?

No, tril, if you there was, if you um, filled out a card, like a filled outidentification card on somebody or ffespassing from the store, we use to, uh, fillout, it's a form thirrry-six (36), a little three (3) by six (6) card, and uh maybe

attach a photograph to the person, put that. There's a box ttrat they have, so it'sin alphabetical order, so if an officer mns that person they know they've alreadywarned, affest um. If you did make an arrest, you might put their bookinginformation in that...in ihat book just for the officers information. But as far as

keeping a strict log of what you did, there was no...

And was that job arranged through Phoenix P.D.?

As far as I know.

\,Vho else, were...were there any other off dury coordinators for that job?

Um...um after George there was, yes.

Who was that?

Uh, Dennis Orander.

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And...were you in uniform or plain clothes?

Uniform.

Okay, going into the, uh, Cotton Center Tovrrnhome. Uh, when did you beginworking that job?

I really don't remember even, I maybe worked a weeks worth of shift out tlere,maybe five jobs, five or six jobs.

Oh okay, so that was just for that period of time you worked there? You'renot...you're not still working there (inaudible)?

Oh no...no...no...um, yeah I only worked, I would say a handful of jobs, benrreenfive (5) and ten (10) shifts.

And about when was that? Was that since December of nrvo-thousand five(200s)?

Um, I have no idea. I don't remember.

And you don't still work that job?

No.

You don't remember then, when you stopped working. rvVhat hours, do youremember what hours you worked when you were there?

I wanna say they were like in betrween a second and a third shift, maybe, uh, Idon't even remember how manv hours we worked. What the...I don't rememberwhat the job...

Do you remember the rate of pay...or...?

I wanna say it was fortS' ($+01 or forry-five ($4S1 an hour.

Do...do have any idea how P.P.D. officer worked at that particular location?

No, I know of some, but I don't know how many there was.

How'bout a...a marked, uh, police car on that site?

Yeah, we would, uh, take a patrol car from the precinct over there.

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What was that process that you'd go through to get the patrol car?

Um, you'd go th...you uh, ask for some keys at the desk, and...and sign out theoff duty, um, vehicle log. That was pretty much it.

The um, what was a typical shift like out there?

Um, the place was pretty bury it could get kind intent, anything you wanted toover there. Ufir, we made affests, we made quite a few arrests out of that...out ofthat...that place. But um, you would get in your car, patrol the parking lot, um,contact any suspicious people, activity. You respond to radio calls that came outof that location, and take disposition of them. Um, you'd go eat and do it again.

Typical patrol type function?

Yeah...yeah

Did...did you respond, well you, I think you said you didn't respond directly tothe job site, you would go into the precinct and get the car and drive to the site?

Yes.

At which precinct was that?

South Mountain precinct.

And you check off with dispatch or a logged in on the computer?

Um, yeah we'd get a call sign if we're not, when you have a patrol, typically youhave a call sign. Url, so you would sign into the computer, um usuallyon...attached to a squaw that's working out there currently. Um, you wouldcheck in off duty, uh, log there. But I don't remember at that time if we had toclear over the radio, you know let dispatch know where we were at.

And how were you paid for this job?

Um, I don't remember. I remember it was a check, it wasn't cash, but I don'tremember who paid us. If it was, uh, Raptor Services, or the Cotton Center.

Do...do remember how often you were paid for the job?

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That job, I wanna say we got paid, you know I think, uh, I still don't rememberwho gave us the check, but I wanna say we got paid in advance. So you wouldget your schedule for the month, you would get the whole months or maybe two(2) weeks pay up front.

And was there a log kept on that job? Do you keep some kind of activity log?

Yes there was.

What was that like?

I think that was a more inclusive, you know, you'd put down the...the hours andtimes, and maybe keep an hourly 1og, if nothing was going on. And anyexceptional incidents you'd write in there, so...

Typical uh patrol 1og, then?

Yeah, it's a lot different that what we do now. But it's like our old paper logs.

Uh, but we didn't...the department I don't think kept that. I think that was forthe, uh, town homes information, that we'd leave a binder with that informationin there, at the front desk.

And was this job arranged through Phoenix P.D.?

As far as I know uh, I really don't know.

Who were the off duty coordinators? Was anyone other then George the off dutycoordinator?

I don't know. I'm pretty sure George was, but I don't know if there were anyothers.

And, is that in uniform or plain clothes?

That was uniform.

Okay, did you ever leave a duty job early?

Um, I don't remember, we may have. I don't even remember, it's a naro (2) manjob, I don't remember the people that I work...I don't think I ever worked therewith George, or um, I...it might have just been guys on my own squad.

Were you ever paid hours that you did not work an off duty job that you know of?

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Okay, that's it. Um, I also have a uh, Grand Jury subpoena that uh, here's theoriginal. I'11 give you a copy, of...the original. Here's your copy.

Okay.

Um, which tells you to appear before the given time, a list there, and on the back,

is an appendix of items to bring if you have them. Now there is also a alternativeappearance. You certainly have the right to appear before the State Grand Jury.You can also contact the case agent in this investigation. Uh, her number is there,Meg Hinchey. And, uh, if you have any of fhe records, provide them to her, youknow, explain it to her. And that will, uh, be compliance with the, uh, subpoena

without actually appearing before the State Grand Jury. (Inaudible) understandthat?

Yeap.

I'm sure you probably do.

If you don't have the records, just go ahead and indicate that. (Inaudible).

I don't think. The only thing that we would have is um, I don't think I have any,

maybe these ten ninety-nines (1099's) but, I think all he gave us was like checks,

you cash'em, and go to the bank. There's no stub or anything to them.

And if...and if you don't have them, that's fine. Uh, obviously they don't want tocreate any...

Right.

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If you don't have them, you don't have them.

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Thanks a lot for meeting with us, I really appreciate it.

Yeah, not a problem...not a problem.

Have a good day.

You too.

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STATE OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERATSPECIAL IN\TESTIGATIONS SECTION

TRATISCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW

DATE WRITIEN: September 22,2008

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MR We're here to talk to you about, uh, George Contreras.

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MR Um, have you heard anything about this case?

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RM Just, uh, guitar uh, or instr...or a music store that he started at.

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Um, all of duty jobs, or just for him?

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A11? Um, I don't (inaudible) hey, go in the other room, babe? Go now. I'veworked city off dury jobs. Um, I've worked the Circle K off duty job. I've workedsome apartment complex off dury jobs, therels Grant Park, and um, I'rn tryingthink of the name, the townhomes. I don't know what the exact name is. UrI,some Food City, like grocery store off duty jobs. That pretty much, are all the, Idon't remember all of them. But they're all, they're apartrnents, um sffeet work.

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The townhomes, yes.

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Okay, um do you recall how much you were paid per hour, for those jobs?

For the Cotton Center Townhomes, it was forty-five ($+S; an hour.

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RM Yeah, they varied benareen thirty-five ($3S; to forty-five ($4S1 an hour.

MR Have you ever worked an off duty job for which George was the coordinator?

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MR And which jobs, excuse me, which jobs did you work that George was thecoordinator?

RM He was...he was the coordinator of the Circle K um, truck stop job. He was thecoordinator of the Cotton Center Tovrrnhome job. He was the coordinator ofGrant Park. Let me see, he was the coordinator of,,s6, some the, like big fiestas,like one of the, uh, Mardi Gras or.not Mardi Gras,'but um, Cinco de Mayo waswere, like the Hispanic festivals., They use a coordinator of those, I worked acouple of those. I think that was all of them that worked for.

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Okay, are you still working, uh, the Circle K job?

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Uh hum, two-thousand six (2006) to now, um, this would be my third squad.

Um, what was the rate of pay for the. . .for the Circle K job?

Uh, back, well when George was coordinating it.

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Okay, um, did the Circle K require a marked police car on site?

No.

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RM Like uh, my serial number's eight-zero-four-six (8046). You would say "Portableeight-zero-four-six (8046)", and then she would query back.

MR Oh okay, I understand...I understand, okay., Um, did you directly, excuse me, didyou respond directly to the job, or would you ftct in at the precinct, prior togoing to the job? ,

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Okay, so to your knowledge then, George Contreras has always been duringyour...your time of work there, he was the coordinator until Dennis, uh, took thatposition?

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Was this job worked while in a Phoenix P.D. uniform, or was it plain clothed?

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When did you begin working the Cotton Center job?

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Exactly.

Okay, um, and what was the rate of pay for that job?

Forry-five ($+S1 an hour.

Was it all suaight time, or there, was there a different rate for holidays?

I've...I heard there's different, but I didn't, I never worked any of the holidays.

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Okay, at the Cotton Center, how many officers worked the job at a time?

It was a two (2) man patrol off, uh, duty...off duty job.

Okay, and did that job require a marked car?

Yes.

Okay what was the process for obtaining a car for the job?

The process would, VouWou$ go- to the precincL South Mountain precinct.

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Um, you would just ask the d.es! aide for a car, a set of cars, and then you wouldsign out, they had a book acnrally for the torarnhomes. You would just sign in,and you would keep pretty much what you do that day. And you would eithermake photo copies or whatever and put it that book, showing a particular report,if you wrote a ticket, or if you made an arrest. Um, and then you would just dothe same protocols of letting the desk aide at the precinct know that you're offduty. You would sign in to a computer showing that you're working.

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And then, by initially signing on the cad that aloud you to sign on in the car, so.

Right, so that, the CAD system in the station, that's what everybody signed in on,right?

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Whether working regular shift or off duty?

Ifyou have a patrol car.

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That's what I meant?

Sometimes though, sometimes if you say it's not working, or if you don't use it,you could just voice over the radio to the dispatcher.

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Um, it was a eight (8) hour shift. I'm tryrng to think, during the week it was eight(B) hours and during the weekend it was ten (10) hours every week. But I didn'twork the weekends. I'm uryirrg to think. I think,it was three r(3) to one (1). Orno, I'm sorry that was *11 .gtr'in at:work.'.Foiir thirty (a:30i-to twelve thirry(12:30) or five (5:00) to, was it...yeah:fur'ttrirty (4:30) to nrelve,thirty (L2:30)or five (5:00) to one (L:00),'something like that. : ' -"' , , r.

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Or six (6:00) to two (2:00), or I donlt know. I don't even remember exacdy whatthe shifts were, but I know they were eight (8) hour shifu.

Okay, um did you respond directly to the job, or did you always check in at theprecinct?

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We always checked in, I always checked in at the precinct, 'cause that's, we had toget the car.

(Overlapping) You had to get the car, alright. Um and how were you paid forthat job?

Uh, through, I'm pretty sure it was a check from the townhomes, but I don'tremember what their names were at that time.

So you were paid directly from them?

....Um, I'm trying to think, ''gause the tovrrnhomes they went, I think they started oneyear or not one year, but they started one time and went for a period of time.Then they stopped for a little while, and then it started again. I think I paid fromthe townhomes the one (1) qr,two (2) times I worked this time. And then I mighthave gotten paid, I think George started paylng us, like out, he started his ownbusiness 4d he paid mayle the l,as.q, time worked, but I'm not poiitive. I don'tremember if that, 'cause he paid us from another job, Grant Park, out of his...hisbusiness. So I don't re-etnber if it was part of the townhomes or not. If theypaid us or if he paid us. . r

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Um, like the following week maybe two (2) weeks afterwards.

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Actually you know the beginning when I first worked it, it was, you got paid likeright when there, like that week. But then, towards the end, like after it wentaway the first time, then it was like every other...other week or every two (2)weeks. But it was still a check.

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The log was like, you'd get at...at the precinct. It's just a black book, I'm prettysure it was. And it said Tovrnhomes on it, and then it was just anything you did.You signed in, and anything you did that day you put that in that book. That wayGeorge could see what you did, or George would show the management whatwas done.

Okay, and what does that include?

Like if you made ari,arr-est, if you made, uh, if you wrote tickets, you'd put copies.If you did a report, you'drput'the report in there. ',,, i

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MR Okay, where are they located?

RM Two thirty-one (231) West Grant Sffeet, it's like...

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They're kind of hidden so.

Okay, uh what was the last'uh...uh...excuse me, wrong question. When did youbegin working, uh, Grant Park?

Oh-seven ('07),I don't remember when though.

Okay, uh, do you still work for, work at Grant Park?

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Okay, do you remember what the rate of pay was for that job?

That was, uh, fifty dollars ($SO1 an hour.

Wow, pretty good.

It's not the best neighborhood.

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I don't know if they had different pay.

How many officers worked the job at that...at a time?Two (2)...two (2) officers;

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Is it South Mountain or Cenffal Station?

It's still South Mountain.

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MR Okay, at the beginning of the shift?

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MR And then at the end of your shift?

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Um, probably every couple of few weeks, estimate.

Uh, was there a log of any kind kept for that job?

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RM Yes, and then sent to George I would imagine. I would imagine, 'because that'show all jobs were supposed to be. They called it off duty detail.

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The only one I know is George.

Okay, and were you um, in uniform for that job?

Yes.

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Okay, um what were the hours and days that you worked that job?

Shoot I think it always like uh the weekend, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. But I onlyworked probably maybe a Friday and Saturday. It was only, it wasn't a whole lot.

Okay.

And the hours, I can't even remember, six (6) to eight (8) hours, somewherearound there.

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MR Do you remember what the rate of pay was for that job?

RM Ttrirty-five ($3S; to forty ($+O;, I'm not exacrly sure.

MR Uh, was it all straight time, or was there differential?

RM Straight time as far as I know, as far as I was paid it was always straight time.

MR Do you know how many officers worked the job ar a time?

RM Several, probably fifteen (15) plus, it was quite,a few.

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Never checked out at the precinct?

Um, no like ttre...the one that I'm positive I worked was at Central City precinct.And date checked everybody in for you, and then it was worked on a differentradio channel then the precinct channel. Because it was...it was such a big event.

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No.RM

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MR So for the Cinco De May stuffyou didn't check on radio?

RM No because like I said, we were on a different radio channel.

MR The even channel then had...I assume there was no dispatcher on that channel,there's do you know?

RM Sometimes...sometimes there are, but I don't...I don't remember.

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MR Okay, um gonna ask you some specific job duty questions, now, okay?

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MR Did you ever leave an off duty job earty?

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So this is all stuff that you need me ro get?

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RM Oh yeah...yeah.

SA And then...and you understand, you don't have to appear if get with...with um,Meg Hinchey on here, contact if you need an extension or anything.

RM Oh okay.

SA But, basically it's to provide the documents, the alternative compliance is get thedocuments to her, then you don't have to appear.

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SA Right...right.

RM That's what I'11 do. Okay, and then you need this one signed?

SA Uh yeah no, I'11 take that back we'll...we'll that's the service copy.

MR (Overlapping) He needs...he needs to sign his. This is my cardcase agents narne and pfrone number there, Me$, Hinchey.,

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RM So, same with the paychecks, I know I don't have...I probably don't have those.

SA Is it your understanding, Marh that...that he is providing the documents in hispossession that he has, or is he expected to go and get documents from, uh, theprecinct?

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MR You've been very good, and I appreciate that.

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STA]E OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERATSPECI.AI II{VESTIGATIONS SECTION

TRANISCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW

DATE UIRITTEN BY AGENT: September 16, 2008

CASE NAII{E: SW200B-003749

NLJMBER: P002 2007-003090

REPORT TIIPE: Transcription of Interview with Scranton, C.

AGENT: M. Hinchev STjPERVISOR: A. Rubalcava PAGE 1 OF 12 PAGE(S)

TMI{SCRIBED BY: D. Berggren

DB: Dave BaizeCS: Chris ScrantonJS: Jim Schwegel

DB This is Agent Dave Baize along with Agent Jim Schwegel. And it's August thennrenty-sixth (265 rwo-thousand eight (2008) at about three nnrelve (3:12) P.M.We are at uh, nrying to interview, we'regonna attempt to interview Chris Scranton.

CS Goodafternoon. ,

Good afternoon, Chris Scranton?

That's me.

DB Hi, I'm Dave Baize, Agent Dave Baize, and this Agent Jim Schwegel from theAttorney General's Offi ce.

CS Hi, Jim.

How's it going? Here are our credentials.

Please to meet you.

We'd like to, uh, talk to you about an investigation we're doing, if that would bepossible.

(Unidentified woman) \trhy don't let them in that way. (Inaudible) Go around to thefront door.

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(Inaudible) everything.

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(Unidentified woman) I don't think the beds are made and stuff.

CS Uh, is the top lock on?

JS Thankyou.

CS Uh, do you need a table?

DB No, this will be fine. We'llbe recording the conversation. This is concerning a...ainvestigation we're doing about uh off duty work.

Okay.

(Inaudible) And I have a uh, actually a list of questions here. And your name is?

Chris Scranton.

And your (inaudible) serial number?

S even-two-zero-seve n (7 207) .

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Yes.

And it's...it's August the Twenty-sixth (26*) about three fifteen (3:15) P.M. Uh,

is it correct you were employed as a Phoenix Police officer in the city of Phoenix?

Yes, I am.

When did you start with Phoenix?

Uh, naro-thousand (2000).

Do you know George Contreras?

I know who he is, yes.

Uh, how do you know George?

Um, I worked in the same precinct with him.


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And, what do you know about Raptor Services?

I think it's just a company name he uses to do his off duty coordinating.

Have you ever worked in Phoenix Police Department as a Police officer in an offduty job?

I have.

Did you, uh, list the off duty jobs you've worked?

Uh, I've worked for Food City was the main one, I've done. Um, uh, there's beenseveral others. I'm fairly certain this about the twonhomes. So, I've done thetownhomes a couple times. I've done

(Unidentified woman) Did traffic.

CS Did traffic control, I've done some there was apartrnent complex, uh at Forry (40)

East Sunland. I can't remember the name. I think it's Tierra Del So1.

(Unidentified woman) Near that hotel.

CS Uh, the Desert Sun, I think that's it. Um, some other aparttnents.

DB Lool'c like you worked a lot off duty jobs?

CS Yeah, not much to be honest with you, you know. Most of 'em are just a couplejobs, odd jobs, not...tent city's been the only steady thing for me.

DB Uh, how long have you worked at tent city?

CS Um, I did like three (3) years there. So, I...I don't work there anymore. I haven'tworked that, uh, I stopped working off duty a while back, certainly not...nothingpennanenL

DB Do...do...recall how much you were paid per hour on those jobs, do...specificallyat the tovrrnhomes? That Cotton Center, does that ring a bell with you?

CS Yeah, the townhomes, um, I don't...forry ($+O;, fifty (gSO) an hour. I rememberit was a good paying job, as I recall.

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That one, uh, the Desert Sun, he was the coordinator for, and um, the Tierra DelSol Aparnnents.

What was the last off duty job that you worked under George?

It may have been the town homes.

At...what...what...time was that one?

Two-thousand and four (2004) ...nvo-thousand six (2006). I don't know.

Two (2), three (3) years ago?

Yeah, a long time ago, I uh maybe two-thousand five (2005), somewhere in there,'cause I promoted in oh-six ('06), and I haven't done anything really anythingsince then.

Have you been, uh, paid for all the hours and/or all the jobs that you worked forGeorge?

Um, the Desert Sun didn't pay us. And, then we actually took the owner of theproperty to court on that one. Uh, the owner did eventually pay us, after thecourt, uh, never went anywhere. We had an initial hearing, and we came to anagreement there, just to be paid. Um, Tierra Del Sol didn't pay for the last nvo(2)...three (3) jobs that I worked there. And then that job was totally cancelled,that's the Forty (40) East Summit. For some reason I think it was five-hundredand forry dollars ($S+01 total. Only cause I remember bringing that one up overand over and over with George. Um, and then yeah, I was paid for Cotton Centerfor the hours I worked.

But the two (2) you pay in, um, those were through George as well?

Yes.

One where you end up going to court, and ultimately...

Yes.

...the properry owner didn't pay in. And the second one, there was no courtaction in that one, correct?

No, that was, and I wanna say that was maybe even before the Desert Sun, thesame time as kind of around the same time...you know it was a long time ago, so

I'm not entirelv sure.

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And do you know if George had gotten and he didn't just pay you?

I don't, uh, I believe he said that they just did not pay anybody for the last month,

fwo...I...you know...I don't know how long it was. Again, not a job I didregularly.

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CS Um, I'm not friends with George, I barely know the guy. So it is a, somebody calls

in and says, "I can't be there in twenty (20) minutes." See 'em in the hall way,

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It's something like that, you know. Um, but I do remember saying, "Hey what'sgoing...what's going on...what's going on." And, as I recall he says they justdidn't pay him, five hundred forry bucks ($s+01 is worth that"'uh"'courtproceedings.

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I of course didn't know how to do it back then, so.

So...so you personally were, as best you recall, were owed five-hund.red and

forry-seven dollars ($547) for that...for that assignment?

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CS ...you know? It was years ago, I don't...don't remember specifically...money.

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DB Uh, let's take uh, let's start with uh, Cotton Center, with the townhomes.

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Don't, you know, I...I think I only worked it like four (4) times. And, I wouldhave said oh-four ('04), oh-five ('05).

And you still, do not work that job, I think you said, you do not work there now(inaudible)?

No...uh yeah, I don't work anything anymore.

And when did that end?

The job?

No, when did you stopping working off dury?

Oh, end of oh-five ('05), yeah I kind of pair it down as I get a raise. With the cityI would bare that done. Uh, and then when I promoted I'd maybe have done, job

here, job there, uh to help somebody out, but nothing...nothing regular.

Uh, what about uh, Desert Sun, do remember when you started that job, whenyou finished it?

That's the one where the guy didn't pay...pay us?

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A long time.

...it's kind of the same time frame, two-thousand four (2004).

Okay and that was all of your off duty during that time frame?

Yeah, 'cause I don't think you can start working off duty'til you've had a year on.

So uh, the beginning of oh-one ('01), and then, yeah...'til oh-four ('04) oh-five('05), is I really stopped anything around then.

Uh, conceming Cotton Center, uh, what was...well, what were the hours and

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Uh, hours as I remember were variable. Uh, you can start evening and finishwhenever the shift was over, uh here, they were gone along they were, six (6),eight (B) hours something like that. Um, and the days like I said, it was not aregular gigue for me, so I just filled in when he needed help or somebody calledme and said can I work their shift or something like that.

And what, uh, was the rate of pay then, do you recall?

I...I don't, I think it was forty ($+O), fifiy ($SO1 dollars an hour.

And this...was this straight time, even on hoiidays, and...?

I...I...don't know that I ever worked a holiday. In my mind I seemed to recall itwas, double time, somebody telling me they were working it for double time, ortime and half, or something like that. But I don't think I ever...was...I was notfriends enough with, uh, George to get a holiday shift. You know, 1rou kind of(inaudible) your buddies, because if it pays better, then they want to work'em,so.

Uh...uh...how many P.P.D. officers worked uh, this job at that time?

No idea, I know of three (3), four (4).

Did this job, uh, we're talking about the, uh, townhomes that uh, require marked,uh, police car on site?

Uh, yes it did.

\Alhat...what was processed for obtaining that?

Um, just go to the precinct and ask for one.

Is there not, paperwork um, element to it, um, can you kind of sort of talk usthrough...you...you show up there on...?

Yeap, you just show up and ask the...the desk aide, uh, you tell 'em you need acar, you're working the tovrmhomes. Uh, they would give you a log book, andthen uh, they give you keys, the keys all have a yellow tag that you just initial. Itsays you checked it out. Um, they do something in the computer to designatethat you have it. But that's something they do, I don't know how that works.Um, I know once when I was there, I was, uh, P.S.B. inspected us, and that hadnot been done. And, that's the only reason I know that that is actually, that thereis some way to designate that you have it, 'cause they didn't. And, when I got myeval's, it said you didn't, 1lo1l know, it doesn't show that you signed out the car.


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(Cont'd) I had signed the sheet for it, or my guy I was working with had. But ithadn't been clicked in the computer that we had it.

TvVhat...what...what does P.S.B. stand for?

Uh Professional Standards Bureau.

Okay.

Our Internal Affairs.

And um, when you get into the car, then do you sign on to the...?

Uh hum, computer.

Okay.

What, uh, tell us about uh, your typical shift at...at that job, what you did whenyou got there?

We'd just patrol, you know, look for suspicious activity. Uh, there's a 1ot of gang

and drug activity there, so just try and do that. You'd look for stolen cars thathave been dumped there, standard patrol, things respond to calls, if there wereany.

And, I think you've already answered this, you...you didn't respond directly to thejob. You went to the precinct and then went to the job from the precinct?

(Overlapping) Correct, yes.

And this was, which precinct?

Four-hundred (400), South Mountain Precinct.

Did you check off with dispatch, and radio at the beginning and at the end of theshift?

I don't remember. I mean when we signed on the computer. We show up on herscreen.

\,Vhat, and would you sign off then, at the end of the shift.

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Yeah, so I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if you get on the radio and to let herknow you're there. It may have been something you wanted us to uh, I don'tremember.

And how were you paid for this job?

Check.

And how often were you paid?

I think weekly? Maybe...it may have been before the job. I don't know, there's alot of jobs that paid before you work'em. I don't know that that was one of them.But it may have been. But if not, it would have been the next week.

And you don't remember specifically for that, for the tovr,rnhome jobs?

I...I...don't, I d.idn't work it enough, you know.

Was there a log kept for any...any kind of log kept for the job? You said

something about this.

Yeah, there was a paper 1og.

And, that was with you on patrol or duty (inaudible)?

Yeah, keep in the car, and do the log, you know, if you found a stolen car, or ifyou arrested a guy and things like that.

Was that job arranged through Phoenix Police Department.

The log?

No...no...the job.

Oh, I don't know. I don't know how any of that works. I never coordinated a job.

Somebody, it...it was job number assigned to it, so, I assume it had to have been,

but I don't know how, that's all behind the scenes, and tasks I don't want tohandle myself. So I don't do any of that.

Okay who are the off duty coordinators? Are there other off duty coordinators,besides George?

I think it was just George. But again, I don't know. I...I...wouldn't have any..,?CS

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That...that would be from December two-thousand five (2005) to the present, uhhad you worked...I think you...well did you work after December two-thousandfive (2005), there?

I may have, I don't think...townhomes? Well, I think maybe...l...I don't know.

Is this job worked while in P.P.D. uniforms?

Yes.

Did you ever leave an off duty job, uh, early?

Not that I recall.

Did you work with other officers while you were...?

Yes, it was a two (2) man job.

You remember who those officers were?

I think it was, uh, Ben Sparkman and Rich Chrisman were the only wtro (2) Iworked with.

Did uh, either of those nrro (2) officers, uh, leave early, that you know off

Not that I know of.

When you left a job, oh well you did not leave any of your jobs at a11...uh...early.

Were you ever paid for hours for which you did not work on an off duty job?

No.

What if there were records that indicated that you had been paid for hours thatyou had not worked?

I would be surprised. I...I don't know, I don't know who keeps those records ormade those records.

(Overlapping) Is that possible it could happen?

Not...no, I mean anyone can...I don't know...I don't know what George was

doing. Apparently something v€ry, uh, what I would describe as shady. Um, butI don't know George. So, you know, who knows what George does on his ovrn

time? I didn't receive compensation for hours I did work.

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You have any additional questions?

No.

I don't.

Okay, thank you very much. And, uh, we doGrand Jury subpoena.

have a subpoena though. We got

Okay.

Which you can appear, or, this is the original, and this is the copy were you willbe getting.

Okay.

Uh, this tells you were to appear and what time, or in...in...there's an exhibit on

here, with list of records to bring, if you have those records, time slips 1og, so on

and so forth.

Okay.

Uh, an alternate compliance without appearing, is to contact the uh case agent,

Meg Hinchey. And, this is her information...

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....phone number, what have you, and she can affange to get the documents fromyou. Or, and it would, you can contact her in lieu of appearing.

And, I'11put our names on the top there so you know who you spoke to.

Oh, okay, great, and um, may I ask what you're investigating.

I don't know the details of it, to be quite honest with you. We're just, it's not ourinvestigation, we're just doing interviews.

Sure, sure.

Uh, it surrounds off duty work. It's about all I can tell you.

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Thanks for meeting us.

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DB Thank you very much, and thank you ma'am.

CS Yeap you're welcome.

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JS Take care, have a good afternoon.

DB It is fifteen thirty-three (1533).

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STATE OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERALSPECIAL IT{VESTIGATIONS SECTION


DATE URITTEN: February 5, 2009

CASE NAIVIE: SW200B-003L49

REPORT TY?E: Transcription of Interview-Howard Pacifico

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Alright, just got off work?

Yeah, a little while ago.

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Thank you very much. Hi little girl. Oh, I'm gonna be in aouble when I go home.What time is it? Eight oh rwo (B:02) A.M.

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SPECIAL II{VESTIGATIONS SECTIONTRA}ISCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW

DATE WRITTEN BY AGENT: September 30, 2008 NUMBER: P002 2007-003090

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REPORT TY?E: Transcription of Interview with carlos Rodriguez

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DATE WRITTEN BY AGENT: September 30, 2008 NUMBER: P002 2007-003090

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REPORT TY?E: Transcription of Interview w/ C.Rodriguez Part II


Kathleen KempleyCarlos RodriguezArmando Cruz

Today's August twenty-sixth (26'h) nryo-thousand eight (2008). It's approximately

ten thirry-nine (10:39) A.M. Armando Cruz and Kathleen Kempley are here with

Carlos Rodriguez. UrI, like I said this is regarding off duty employment, and

specifically rtoff thut may have been coordinated by George Contreras when he

still worked for the police deparunent. First of all how long have you been withPhoenix P.D.?

CR March it'll be fourteen (14) years.

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KK Five. And do you know George Contreras?

CR Yes.

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Um, (inaudible) worked at the same station.

Okay, and do you know any of the businesses that he ran, either the guitar or

Raptor Services?

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I knew he had those business (inaudible).

Did you ever work for Raptor Services?

Obviously I did.

Okay, and...

By the way...and again, when I worked for Raptor Services, I worked for a clientand that's how he paid us.

Was through Raptor Services?

Through Raptor Services.

And then Raptor Services cut a check to you, is that how that worked?

I guess.

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And I...I got paid for the hours that I worked for Raptor Services.

Okay.

Not through...

Not through the client itself. And prior to, I mean Raptor Services obviouslywasn't around the whole time, that you'd been on the police department. Andprior to Raptor Services did you work off duty?

Yes.

And did you usually get paid directly by the client?

Um, yes and no.

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Depending on who the client was.

Sometimes you got paid through the City of Phoenix?

Uh, yes.

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Sometimes I got paid through (inaudible).

Okay, um how did Raptor Services come about, how did you first know to evenwork jobs that they were involved in?

Um, George was the coordinator; he needed a job filled, so then...

He just called you?

Yeah, well he's on the same squad, so...

Okay, and for the...um this is covering a long period; I know it's hard toremember, for me even a few months ago. But for the last say three (3) years,how many jobs do you, off duty jobs do you work? Do you work every week?Do you work every month?

Um, just depends, sometimes I'll every week. Sometimes I won't work at all. Um,last six (6) months I haven't work at all, 'cause I had a broken collar bone. 'vVhichyou can't work off duty (inaudible) duty.

And do you remember when Raptor Services came in to be?

I have no idea.

Or, was it ten (10) years ago, five (5) years ago, a couple years ago?

I have no...

(Overlapping) Or I guess, when did you first come in contact with RaptorServices, about?

Maybe two (2) years.ago.

And do you remember how many jobs you worked, were you got paid bythen...approximately

Maybe four (4) or five (5).

And were they all with the same client? Where they with different clients?

Uh, I've...I have only worked, I think I've only worked two (2) jobs for them.

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The townhomes were tike forty-eight (48") street (inaudible)...forry-eight 1+Ae;

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I think I've only worked that once. Um, again I...I only did it'cause he needed

somebody to fillit in.

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Um, and I worked Arizona Materials, I think I wor...only worked that mro (2) orthree (3) times, 'cause he wanted that job back so.

Okay.

He's the coordinator so he can hire and fire who ever he wants. Um, and then Iworked a couple Piestas (inaudible).

Like parties?

Yeah, they're block parties. I think one was down on Central...Central Avenuewhen ir was closed down. (Inaudible) Sixteenth (16") Street and Mohave rightnext to the police station.

Okay, did you ever work any at the Cotton Center?

Cotton Center?

Uh hum, ids uh...it's an industrial park on...I'm not sure what the cross streets

are. Ids there in south Phoenix though.

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No, I worked in townhomes.

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I didn't even now there was a job at the Coffon Center.

Do you know where the Cotton Centet's at?

It's right across the sueet from the townhomes.

Okay, and the times that you worked the jobs urlt, that Raptor Services

coordinated, did you only get paid for the hours that you worked, or was there

like a minimum, and if you worked less than the minimum you got...paid...?

No they were always...the were always (inaudible).

Okay.

I mean even now I work jobs that are minimum three (3) hours.

Okay.

Like for Qwest, you just go out there for an hour and you know.

But that's set up ahead of time.

Yeah.

They know that they have to pay for three (3) hours.

Right.

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But all of those jobs (inaudible) they were practically a shift.

Okay, and did Raptor Services ever...ever pay you? Did you ever look at the

check and say, "!Vow I didn't work that many hours,"?

No, like I said, (inaudible)

Okay, and did you ever work any jobs for Raptor Services that you didn't get paidfor?

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No, I made sure I got paid.

Now going back to the Cotton Center, did you ever there directly for them, not forRaptor Services?

I didn't know that the Cotton Center had job.

Okay.

Like I said, the only job I ever worked was the townhomes, which is across thestreet from the Cotton Center.

And, when you worked an off duty job, did you typically have to check in with theP.D.?

Yeah, we'd call in.

And is that like, that you're suppose to do it, but not everybody does it? Or didyou do it at the beginning of every shift and check out at the end of every shift?

Um, I'd try to do it every...every time, but sometimes you didn't have a jobnumber, and you just.

Okay, so it's...it's done most of the time, but not necessarily every time?

I would...I would say yes.

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And there was one other job, I think it was the Grant...bt*t Apartments, andthen that was just a one shot deal, 'cause the guy was (inaudible) some else towork with him, it was a tlvo (2) man job.

And when you work jobs for Raptor Services, how did you cofirmunicate howmany hours you worked? Did you communicate with the client, and tell him howmany hours you worked? Did you communicate with George and tell him howmany hours you actually worked?

Um, he would set the hours (inaudible) the shifts.

Okay.

And I would just work those...those hours.

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(Overlapping) Okay...okay...and they never cut you loose early or anything?

No, I wouldn't, 'cause most of those jobs, who ever they call, who ever the clientwas, I know.

AC Prior or even after the job, did you fill out any forms that, "I've worked from this

time to this time," or no?

CR (Inaudible) We stayed from eight (8:00) to four (4:00) we got to show up from

eight (B:00) to four (4:00).

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CR Joe's his brother. I never worked for his brother.

AC Oh, I got the wrong name down.

KK Have you worked for any other off...any other off duty coordinators other thanGeorge? Or do you typically line up the jobs yourself?

AC No, I've worked for quite a few extra.

KK And did any of the other ones have a company like George had?

CR Yeah.

KK Okay, and do you paid from those companies, or do you get paid directly by the

client?

No, from the company.

Okay, and what companies are those, do you recall, or are there too many to list?

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Um, one was All Events, we changed to Uniform Payroll, but that no longer exists.

Um, uh I don't remember the name.

And are these run by other police officers that are off duty coordinators?

No.

They're independent third parry?

Yes.

Do you know of any other off duty coordinators, who started a company like

George did, to coordinate off duty work?

No.

The jobs that you worked for Raptor Services, uf,, do you recall if you had apatrol car with, with them?

Only one of them had the patrol car that was for the tornrnhomes.

Were you in uniform for them?

I was here in uniform for all them.

Okay, do you recall any that you worked, that you had to make an alrest, or pull

a DR for any reason?

No.

Did you usually work these solo, or were you with a partner?

Um, the townhomes we had a partner and the pauol car, and (inaudible) only

worked that, I think, once.

Do you recall who you worked with that one time?

I want to say it was Aaron.

Aaron?

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Is he there, is he also in the South Mountain precinct?

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CR Yeah.

KK Okay.

CR Like I said, the only reason I remember, cause I only worked once.

KK (Overlapping) once...do you remember how long that shift was? Was it a typical,

did seem like a fullshift?

CR I think so, I rhink it was eight hours...no it might have been six (6). I don't...Idon't remember how long it was.

KK Okay, and whatever times George told you to be there, you where there from the

beginning of the shift to the end of the shift?

CR Well he told Aaron.

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CR I mean...again I was just a fillin guy.

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KK So Aaron told you, "Hey were here from .X to .X."?

CR So, I expected to be from there to "X'. (Inaudible) 'cause we had to return

the...um...patrol car.

KK (Overlapping) Patrol car...okay. I thinkthat's all the questions I have, do you.have any other questions Armando?

No.

I do have, um, a subpoena for you. Um, this just pertains to the off duty stuff. Itis a Grand Jury subpoena so we ask that you not disclose to anybody. Um, itrequires either your appearance or you can provide the documents down here to

the case agent, and the list of documents that we want is attached to the...to the

subpoena. We also ask that um...

Wow, I...I don t have a lot of those.

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And we're not asking you to produce anything that you don't have. I mean it'sjust like when you wbrk a case and you issue a subpoena, if the documents don't

}ist, they don't exist. So, we're not asking you to make any documents, we're

not asking you to create anything..

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...but if you have them, we would like. If you don't have them, Yotr just need to

send a letter to uS, to, uhm, Meg Hinchey saying, "You know you asked for these

records, and I don't have them."

Okay.

Okay? I mean if you don't have them, You don't have them.

Alright.

And I don't know if I would have them, so you know, were asking for them, ifthey exist, and if they don't exist, we understand that.

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Well we appreciate you coming down here.

Okay.

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SPECIAI IN\TESTIGATIONS SECTIONTRANSCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW

DATE l IRITTEN BYAGENT: September 15, 2008 NUMBER: P002 2007-003090

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DB: Dave BaizeJS: Jim SchwegelDM: David Montoya

DB It's Agent Dave Baize with Agent Jim Schweggl[-Ig_at the shopping center

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David Montoya, and-attempt to interview him. He said it was aroundl itmight be dovrm at this end.

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Alright,ifsaE

Yeah it be back by some dispsty, Dispsty dumpters it said (inaudible).

And the time is five thirty-nine (5:39).

(Inaudible) August t'wenty-sixth nnro-thousand and eight (08-26-2008).

(Inaudible). There he is.

DM Dave?

DB That is me. David Montoya?

DM That's me, how you doing sir?

DB Pretry good.

DM Nice to meet you.

DB This is Jim Schwegel.

DM I'm gonna stand in the shade if you don't mind.

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Yeah, lets (inaudible)

We're gonna tape record the conversation.

That's fine.

We'd like to, uh, interview you concerning an investigations being done by ouroffice, and uh, an off dury (inaudible).

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DB It was being done.

DM I know it's not the most professional of places, but.

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DB Why don't you hold this.

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DB Uh, your name is...?

DM David Montoya.

DB And what is vour serial number?

DM Six-eight-one-two (6812).

DB We're at southeast corner ofcorrect you're employed as a Phoenix Police th Ciw of Phoenix P.D.?

DM Yes, I am.

DB Uh, when did you start with Phoenix?

DM Uh, December of Nineteen ninety-seven (7997).

DB ' Do you know, uh, George Confferas?

DM Yes, I do.

DB And how do George?

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DM Uh he...him and I use to work out of the same precinct, and uh, I know he use to

point at a lot of off duty jobs. So, I worked a couple for him through that, and Iknow his cousin, or his niece, I'm sorry.

DB And who is that?

DM Jennifer Contreras, she works out of the Central City precinct.

DB What precinct was that at that you worked out of?

DM Uh, South Mountain Precinct.

DB Are you working there now?

DM No, I work out at the Maryvale precinct now.

DB Have you heard of, uh, Raptor Services?

DM Yes.

DB And, uh, what do you know about Raptor Services?

DM Um, I know that's the name of the company that George started up, that he was

using...uh...as his off duty company.

DB And, what...what...uh...or...have you ever worked this is kind of obvious. Have

you ever worked in Phoenix as an off duty while a Phoenix P.D. police officer?

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Uh, the ones for Raptor Services? Uh, the only ones I can recall off the top of my

head, is he coordinated, uh, a couple of festivals, where it...it...was just a large

gathering, and they needed a large group of officers. Those are the only ones thati."n remember off the top of my head. That is specific for Raptor Services, thatwe got actual checks instead, um, from George instead Raptor Services. The

other off duty job, there might have been one at the some apartment complexes

at Three thirty-one (331) West Grant Street, the Grant Park Apanrnents. Um, I

know he coordinated those. I'm not sure, I don't recall, it's been a while. Ifum...if I was getting from Raptor Services or from the apartrnent complex. UilI,

and then the other job was the...uh...the Villas West Townhome, or Villas East

Townhomes. Um, I worked several...several times for George there. But those

checks came from the tornrnhomes themselves. I don't remember the checks

saylng Raptor Services on them.

Where was...where was that at, the tor*m homes?

Um, around...in between Forty-sixth (46d') and Forty-eighth (48*) Street and

Broadway. It's just a large townhome...apartment type complex, and they paid

um, it was a two (2) man job, and they paid us just to patrol the townhomes.

The Conon Center is that...?

yeah Conon Center that's what (inaudible). It says that there is no, I guess it's

Cotton Center, but on the sign out front it use to say Villas West, so, Villas East,

when I worked there.

Could you recall how much you were paid for all of these jobs that you were

working, or at the rate of pay that you were paid?

Urn, the...the Cotton Center Townhomes? I believe it was forty-five dollars ($4S;

an hour. um, the Grant Park Aparurents, I believe it was fifty (Sso) an hour' Ithink. And the festivals, honestly I...I do recall any of the festivals, what the

hourly rate was for those.

Okay, and those um, the festivals and the tornmhomes. Well, you've worked

at...where George was the coordinator of, which jobs was it that...that George

was the coordinator that worked, the townhomes?

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The...the...the...Cotton Center Tovrnhomes, the Grant Park Apartmenm,

and...and I don't know what the verbage would be on the festivals. But it was,

and in fact I think it was only one (1) time that I did it. There was a, there was a

Cinco De Mayo I thinh or maybe it was two. I...I don't know. It was either Cinco

De Mayo, then I think there was one in September. But it was...it's been a longtime, since...since uh, I promoted last July, and up until recently I hadn't started

working any off duty. And then um, before the promotion I didn't work much offduty either. So, it's been a while.

So, by last July, that would be July oh-seven {'07)?

Yes, in July of oh-seven ('07)...

Okay.

...is when I promoted, that's when I left the South Mountain precinct, and came

out to Maryvale.

Okay.

And, like I said up until, it was maybe two (2) months ago I didn't work any

overtime.

Do you recali when the last off duty...duty jobs was, that you worked underGeorge, and you reported...promoted in July of oh-seven ('07)?

Yeah, in July of oh-seven ('07), um, I would honestly have to say, it was the

townhome. The last one I can recall would have been the townhomes, the Cotton

Center Townhomes, and it would have been in, either June of July of oh-six ('06).

Because I remember...I remember it was while I studying for the Sergeants test,

and the Sergeants test was in, I think the end of August, maybe September of oh-

six ('06). So, I remember I working with...the Cotton Center Townhomes, while Iwas studying, during the time frame that I was studying.

Uh, have you been paid for all the hours or all the jobs that worked underGeorge?

DM I believe so, um, I'm horrible at keeping track of those type of things. So, I...Ibelieve I did, yes.

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Um, I have to say, maybe it's toward the end of oh-five ('05). I mean I(inaudible) only around for, I...I think it was from the end of oh-five ('05) is

when it started. And then, like I said, I only worked it for seven (7) weeks or so.

There was only, maybe two (2) or three (3) days a month. It was a lot of people

that worked that.

And what...why did you quit working for them, in that particular job?

The...as far as I know, the whole job is they cancelled the whole job. 'Cause, uh,

George said he was having difficulties with the, uh, property management, and

they didn't want to pay him anymore (inaudible).

What were the hours and days that worked...worked (inaudible)?

Um, at the time I was on squad that had weekends that had Friday, Saturday, and

Sunday off. So, uffi, I would usually either work Saturdays or Sundays

(inaudible). For the most part, he would leave the Saturday and Sunday shifts,

um, for the people that were on our squad, on my squad. And, we would and we

would.lust icind spread it out amongst ourselves. So, he would be he likes itSaturdiy or Sundiy there, that type of thing. And, there was no set hours, they

.lust wanted a ten (L0) hour shift, and you would just coordinate with your

partner, and work whatever the two (2) of you could figure out.

Okay, for uh, there was a ten (10) hour shift per day?

Yes, it was ten (10)...it was ten (10) hours a day, um, on the weekends, and eight

(B) hours a day during the week, is what my understanding was.

And it was one (1) shift that someone would work? One (L) ten (L0) hour shift

and no one else would be working?

No, you'd have naro (2) people together, and they'd work a ten (10) hours shift'

But they'd be like riding a two (2) man police car together.

Okay, and...and when they were through, then there would be no more shift for

that nuenty-four (24) hours period?

Correct.

And what...what was the...uh...pay, was it straight dme, or...or did you get

double time on like Sundays...or...?

No...it was...it was straight time...straight forty-five (45) an hour. Um, and I

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So, they would pay at...for the work that you're gonna do, the next, the upcoming

mon*t, they would Pay in advance?

yeah, he would nrrn in...he would ftrn in a schedule, so, like I said he worked

like truo (2) or three (3) days, so, you would either nine hundred dollars ($900),

if it's nnro (2) days at the beginning of the month, or like thirteen hundred dollars

($f ,SOO; dollars if it was three (3), that type of thing.

How many, uh, P.P.D. officers (inaudible) this job?

Uh, I know there were quite a few. It was a very sought after job. Um, like I said,

that he sent...the sq,rud that I was on, it was a training squad, it was a lot of

senior officers, and ihat was the Cotton Center Tovrrnhomes was in our area that

we patrolled. So, since we were very familiar with, and we were veV !ar{*ori.irrg, and kept track of the, like the statistics and everything that we had

done. th"fr why he let us have Saturday's and Sunday's basically to kind of

divrry up on our own. Um, so on the Saturday's and Sunday's for the most part, it*url,tri guys that were on the same squad as me at the time. Um, the other days

of ttre *""k George mostly I didn't have any dealings with those, because I might,

I worked *y r.gulur shift with city during that time. So I couldn't tell you how

many people worked during the regular work week.

Do recall what officers you worked with, you were working two (2) man units?

Yeah, for the most part it was Lance Deuich, uh, Bill Beam, uh, I believe um, Jim

Art. Uh, I may have worked a shift with, uh, a guy named Chris Erik, Shawn

Drent. And I worked, I think one shift together, with uh, for the most part it was,

it was either Lance Detrich or Bill Beam.

How'bout Kevin Rife, did you know him, or.-.?

Oh, you know what, I did work one (1) shift with Kevin Rife? Kevin was he

wasn't on our squad, and I think he was, I wanna say it was either toward the

beginning. I thfik it was toward...toward the very beginning of the tov'mhome,

or maybJ it was toward the very end of the townhomes. And, uh, and Kevin got

to *otk one of the weekend days, in our squad. I think when we didn't have

somebody to work that daY.

Uh, did the uh...did that job require a marked Police unit?

Yes.

Can you take us through how you would go about getting the unit and...?DB

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Um, basically when the coordinator tells us that a car is approved, um, you know

that has to be approved through the precinct. So you would just, whoever you

were working with that day, when you, when you coordinated what time you

were gonna srarq you would just be at the precinct. And, they have cars available

at thJprecinct, at (inaudible) precinct. So, you would get your car, all your dutygear, and everything that you need, and then just drive out to the city.

And, you'd log the car out, they have a log book, or?

Yes, and they should...they should...tlffi, they have like yellow cards that you

sign, on eactr day of the week. It's like broken up for each day of the week, and

yJu 3ust sign what day of the week. Um, I don't know how well they keep those

cards...those cards, records (inaudible).

And, did you log on with radio dispatch...?

Yeah.

...computer wise, or...?

yeah, we would...we would...we would (inaudible) ourselves in the computer

system, and then log (inaudible) computer with the call (inaudible).

\rVhat...what was a typical shift like, there?

As far as the time frame, or activity?

No, what would...yeah, activity?

Um, at the very beginning every shift it was very busy. Um, a lot of radio calls, a

lot of foot traffic, because they had a lot of, the...the...Cotton Center

Townhomes, had a problem with, um, when they don't have security patrol, we

get a lot of people in there, (inaudible). They may not live there. Um, they're

Iausing a loi of problems there. So, we would come in at the very beginning and

you ktto*, uoest people for ffespassing, run people off. I remember there was a

iew people thar we ciught with irugr,lii"t typ. of thing. After we were there for

a couple of months, it got to be very quiet. So, on the weekends when we

worked, there was still enough people in there, and enough foot traffic, we could

always find someone with a warrant, or, find somebody that we had already

documented that's not supposed to be on property, that type of thing. Um, but

that place slowed down, quite a bite.

And...and...you said call as you responded to calls that came out for that area, ifyou were working there?

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Yeah, 'cause in...in...in the, I think there's close to four hundred (400)

apartrnents or townhouse there. And that there's uh, there's two (2) different like

main sections of it. I think there's like over four hundred (400) townhomes. So,

if any of those people called for a place there (inaudible). If we were working,

then it would be our responsibility to go take care of (inaudible).

And, how are you paid for that job?

We were paid by check, um, from it was, there...there were...it was former$Cotton Center Tornrnhomes. There were three (3) different ownership Sroups.So, you would get how ever much you were paid, the check would be divided by

three (3), and you would get three (3) separate checks...so...

Oh okay.

Like I said, and in advance. Like I said, if you would work...if you would workrwo (2)...rwo (2)...if you had rwo (2) shifts coming up in the month, on the firstof the month, you'd get nine hundred dollars ($900)' There would be three (3)

separate three hundred dollar ($300) checks, and one (1) from each of the owner(inaudible) so.

And you were paid at the beginning of the month?

Yeah.

And, how 'bout 1og, kept while you were doing the job? Did you keep an activitylog?

Yeah, there was, uh...uh...hand written activity 1og that you'd...you'd keep, um,

that basically there was a three (3) ring binder. It was kept at the South

Mountain Precinct. That you would just fill in who was working, um, you know,

and any kind of activify. You would, you know, detail the arrests you made,

contacts you made, and stuff like that.

And was this job arranged through Phoenix, uh, Police Department?

I would assume it was, because it had an actual off duty (inaudible). When you

work off duty, you get a job number. And that job number is (inaudible) so Iwould assume (inaudible). Because it did have a job number. I don't recall whatthe job number was.

I'm gonna...I'm gonna sort of regurgitate um, your assumptigt was that it was a,

um, an approved job. Because there was job number assigned to it.JS

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You didn't know what the number was of course. Um, but there was a job

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We had a helicopter flyrng over head, that's why um, taking the liberry of uh,

repeating what was said.

And, who were the off duty coordinators...uh...other than George Contreras or

any other off duty coordinator?

There...there's...there's several people that are off duty coordinators. But George

(inaudible) only one that, I know, that coordinated the Cotton Center

Tovrnhomes. Um, and I didn't really, I said, I normally don't work a lot off duty.

Um, but the Cotton Center Townhomes, there's a good opportunity to make a lotof money. It was easy...it was...it was a easy job, 'cause there's two (2) people

there. So, the time went by very quickly. Um, and then like the festivals and

other stuff that I worked for George. It was more out of, I...I...wanna say doing a

favor George. But, because I think that, I...I was very appreciated, him giving me

at the...at ihe Cottott Center Townhomes. And whenever he asked me for other

off duty, I didn't turn him down.

And that was the only coordinator tt ut yor., dealt with?

yeah, actually I took it several...several years ago. I mean I worked off duty from

time to time, but it mostly as a fill in, and uh, I don't even remember who that

coordinator was.

But that have been before December Two-thousand five (2005)?

Yeah.

And this was, you worked in uniform, I think you said?

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DB Uh, did uh, you ever leave the...the uh off duty job early?

DM There...there were times when, like if we would have a late arrest one night.

Rather than paying us over time, like if we stayed an extra half an hour orwhatever, George would tell us to leave a little early the next night, the next time

we worked that type of deal.

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DB To make up for the added time of processing the arrest?

DM yeah, because I remember specifically one dme, were we had an affest that was

like maybe ren (L0) minutes toward the end of the shift. And, it kind of

snowballed and rurned into a bigger mess than we thought. And, so um, I was

working with Bill Beam that night, and we stayed a couple of hours extra. And, I

think George said you know, just make it up later on, so there was...there was

another time, when we did leave a couple hours early, to make for time when we

stayed late. But other than that, we...we...would stay the full ten hours.

DB Were, do you remember any of the other officers during these times that were

working with said team of one? We're there any others that you remember?

DM I can't think of any right off the top of my head.

DB And was anyone advised of leaving early? I think you said George, that was,

because of George's instructions?

DM (Overlapping) Yeah, yeah.

DB Anyone else advised or anyone else involved?

DM Not that I know of, I mean as far as I know, George handled everything.

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Is there anything else?

Did you ever actually work with George Contreras on an off duty job?

Just at one of the festivals.

Okay.

Like I said, there was...there was a made...it was probably ten (10) to fifteen(15) differenr officers (inaudible). In fact, you know what? Now that I thinkabout it he wasn't even there then. It was a two (2) or three (3) day thing and I

think on one of the...the three (3) days he was there, on two {2) of the days he

wasn't...so...

I'm gonna wait'til this truck goes by here. So as we...as we stand here, there's

ottly otr. occasion you recall were you left early prior to the end of your shift?JS

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I believe so, I mean other than the significant time I guess. There was, there may

have been other times, when you know, when fifteen (15), nnenty (20) minutes

staying late one night, fifteen (15), trnrenty (20) mjnutes leaving eafly the next.

nui only one time any significance that I remember leaving early.

And that...that was the time you describe, where you got involved in an arrest

that...that took place, it was far more complicated then, it wasn't a ten (10), uh,

it wasn't...it wasn't a ten (L0) minute arrest?

Right.

It took...took quite a while.

And...and...and...I mean I remember that. It specifically came out as a criminal

damage call. It was ten (10) minutes at the end of shift. And, we were gonna

take jist the call and the report. But then it turned out that they found, we found

the guy, and he had felony warrant, and then he had drugs in his possession. So

fikel said, it just kind of, it went from you know an angry guy, broken car

window, to know it's snowballing into all this stuff.

No...no...no...I understand that.

Yeah...yeah...yeah...after words, he said yeah, just make up the time here and

there.

Okay.

Excuse me.

Sure, we have a...have a subpoena to serve um...

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DM It dealed a drug issue, and all that stuff, so. It turned into a few hours.

JS Okay, yeah...you had...you had discussed that with George and t is soiution *asto take the hour...take the hours back on another shift?

DM yeah, I mean well we didn't talk about 'em in advance, 'cause we were...our

hands were kind of tied. We were stuck.

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They're for whatever records you would hold. They...they list what the records

are. we'll put our names on the...on the subpoena too, so you know who it is you

talked to today.

Uh, this is the original, and I will give you a copy. It's a Grand Jury subpoena,

um.

Okay, now as far like documentation and stuff like those, um, I know my...mywife and I are going through a divorce right now.

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And she kept like all of our, she has like all of our paperwor( impgrtant, or uh,

tax documents and stuff like that. So, I don't know how available that stuffsgoing to be.

Sure.

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Yeah, take a look at the list, um;obviously.

Right.

I would prepare, you know, what you can

Um, and if you can't get a hold of something, communicate that, and as...as...um,

most subpoenas do permit a alternative compliance. You either could appear

with the iecords thaf are outlined, actually this is this original, we'll give you the

copy. Um, on the attachment, the outline what they're looking, um, but you

could also communicate with the case agent Meg Hinchey. And her phone

numbet's on there.

Okay.

And there would be a way to have an alternative compliance, were I'll give you

the records on this particular day, as opposed to showing up at the...at the Grand

Jury. It would be your...your...your choice.

And, that's our names up on the toP.

Great.

Thanks for talking to us sergeant.

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DM Oh no problem, sorry I had to come out here and stand in the heat'

JS It...it...wasn't too bad, we made out pretty good knowing the weather'

DM Yeah, it definitely could have been a lot worse, kind of miserable out here'

JS The...the dme is, uh, six oh two (0602)' I'11 let you fl'11n that machine off'

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UrL today is August ,nventy-sixth (26+), ffo-thousand eight (2008). It'sapproximately five forty-1inu (5:49) P.M. And we're here with NicholasThompson. It's Armando Cruz and l{athleen Kempley. Um, just a little bit ofbackground, how long have you been with Phoenix P.D.?

Uh, over seven (7) years.

And do you remember what year you started in?

I was hired by the city in two-thousand (2000), but I was sworn, uh, March of oh-one ('0L).

And do you know George Contreras?

Yes.

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And, how do you know him?

I know from working with him at the Southduw. He was an off duty coordinator.

Mountain precinct, and through off

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KK Um, when you firstrencountered him as an off duty coordinator, how did thathappen? Did he approach you?. Did it just kind of happen?.

NT Uh, word;geds out who th..g.,coordinators are, and'who hai the jobs tp pay thebest? You can work city traffic during the day making twenty-three dollars ($2a;an hour, or can work an off duty job making upwards of forty ($+S1 plus an hour.

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NT (Overlapping) Well I did, the end of oh-one ('01") I was activated by the MarineCorp.

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So, you-did what you negded to do on ftat, Um, first for Georgg,was nrobablyoh

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Uh, started working traffic jobs. Well it was oh-two ('02), probably end of oh-three ('03) 'cause I finished probation about that time. Um, so oh-three ('03)traffic oh-four ('04) I started working, uh, just pick up jobs here and there forTommy Marquez, and then miscellaneous other coordinators. Uh, when you'restill kind of young, you do hit and run jobs, whoever calls you, "Hey I need youhere in thirty (30) minutes," and you find yourself driving around with all yourgear, because you know you're gonna pick up a job for, four (4) hours.

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And, back then you needed the money 'cause your,mortgage payment was morethan you were probablymaking.

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And did he set the schedules for that?

Yes.

And how did you get paid for that, by the apartment complex? Did they payGeorge and George paid you? Did they pay the city?

We were paid through the aparbnent complex. And he handed us hard checksfrom the property management people I wanna say.

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KK Okay. Um, what about, Iet's go forward to oh-five ('05).

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KK Um, there was some town house that are now called the Cotton Center. They'rekind of across the street from the Coffon Center.

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So something to do. So, we liked that.

And, um when you started that job did you get paid by the apartment complex, ordid that go through Raptor Services?

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I wanna say we were paid by the apartrnent property managers. I know there wasa lady there in particular, who's name I don't recall. But, um she had a workingrelationship with George on...on setting of schedules and duties of the officers,and...and varyrng the hours so that the residents wouldn't um, get use to usebeing there from nine (9:00) to five (5:00).

Okay.

You wanted to shift your hours so that they wouldn't know when you would bethere. So, they wouldnt start acting up thirty (30) minutes after you leaveeverybody, so.

So, what kind of shifu were they? Were they four (4) shifts, eight (8) hour shifts,generally?

I wanna say eight (8), around. Because if it's four (4) hours, it's not worth mytime.

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To...to come in on a day off, get all your ged,, drivedl ,the way,;in, go in for four(4) hours, ftEn around and have to drive back home in traffic. Gas wasn't badback then,'but it was still enough to where you would wait for the jobs that paid.Now if it.was a four (4) hour job andrhe called diredy and said, "I needed you."You didntt turn the coordinator. ,,:' ::: ,'

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So they were typically longer shifts, um and even though they start at varied timesthey were using the same length is that how that worked?

Usually, um guys would break shifts sometimes, if, I don't know, we were takingoff duty jobs back then to the point where we were working as many off dutyhours as we were working on duty hours. And if that meant doing a five (5) hourjob, going to work, and then doing a five (5) hour job on the back end of that,sometimes you could break up that way.

Uh hum.

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So I didn't break any of my shifts to go around, what I wouldwould pick up the back trif of some-body's shift, or the frontelse's shi.,ft.

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And usually, J tried to'coordinate"that with anottr.rd duty job.

Depending upon hours you worked and how many coordinators you wereworking out of.

And did you ever do that?

I did a lot of that.

Let's talk at this particular, do you remember doing that for this job, where youwould break shifts up to work around your schedule?

No, 'cause I was a third (3'd) shiftef.

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Okay. Um, do you recall ev€r getting a pay check that was for more hours thenyou actually clocked on the job?

There were a couple times where I would say maybe thirty (30) or forty (40), butI never really paid attention to it.

Uh hum.

Because I had more checks coming.

Right.

lVhat I most remembered was the delay in pay.

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And you didnt like working jobs that delayed in pay, because that was, I don'tknow, it's the same thing if you're getting, if you're doing a contracting businessand somebody's slow to pay you, you don't want to go work for them any more.

Right. And so was it when you got checks from Raptor Services that they wereslow to pay, or when you were getting...?

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Last couple paychecks for them, -they probably (inaudible) ab-out'three-hundredfifty dollars.'($3s0), Urr, checks were coming from the property managementpeople. , Bu.t, that was the first job I got'shorted with George. rThen I workedDesert Sun for him, oh-four,('04), oh-five ('05) time.frame when it burned dovvn.I didnlt, get paid for about nro+housand dollars ,rygrth of off duty. It was.. .it wasfifty dollar ($50) an hour job, buq it was also very intense. You were there allnight, literally from sun down to sun'up. By yourself in burned out remains of ahospital on Grand Avenue. And you're listening to the gun shots, and thehelicopters flyrng over head. You juqtr'iat in the parking with the, you know, yourduty weapon and just consider yourself lucky nobody knew you were there. Butthey shorted us, two-thou and that was nvo. And, then when I started getting attown homes, I kind of walked away.

Okay.

And I picked up jobs at Simula and Simula was a bit more, uh, punctual in theirpay.

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And the...and the hours were better, less pay but the hours were steady.

So the Cotton Center, do you remember, or what's now the Cotton Center, aboutwhat the pay rate was? You said that it seemed like pretry good pay?

It was good, because it was forty ($+O).

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Um, you maybe, do you think for Raptor Services at all?

Oh yeah.

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I got checks from Raptor Services.

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In fact when I got, cut my check for, uh, Desert Sun, I got a check from RaptorServices.

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So did they...did they, so Raptor...so Raptor Seniices made up the two-thousand($2000) that Desert sun owed you?

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They both paid him, and then he cut the checks to us.

So the last off duty job you worked for George was oh-six ('06), beginning of oh-six ('06)?

I'm thinking, right'cause I was heavy into Simula at that point in time. And I wasworking a lot of hours there. And, then in oh-seven ('07) I though I was gonnaget picked up by the Marine Corp again. So I cut all off duty off.

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So I could spend some time at home before I went away.

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Rather then four (4) years of, you know, my fianc6 and never seeing her.

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Jobs that required a patrol car were usually had a fifteen (L5) minute give,because the city was real tight, the way it was explained to me. (Inaudible) on acar. If you...if you rented the car from the city for four (4) hours that meant thatyou picked it up and one (1:00) and brought it back at five (5:00).

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So, the off duty people were explaining there's travel time to and from.

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So did you have to check in with anyone with department when you picked up anoff duty?

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Other then the Desert Sun and a last few shifts at the Cotton Center, do youremember working any where you were paid less then what you thought youwere owed.

Oh yeah.

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Okay. And do you, how do you address that? Do you?

Um, it depends on the job. If it's uh, if it's a job that is steady, a lot of theconstruction jobs I did, you would be told, "Hey you're gonna get a check from,you know, Archer Brothers Construction." And three (3) weeks later you would,and it would be short three (3) hours. You just write it off.

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Uh about fifteen (15), nrenty (20),minutes sometimes we would leave early.

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Um, a couple times I asked if I could leave early. I had something else, travel timeto another off duty job. And he (inaudible) "Yeah, sure go ahead."

Do you ever remember George leaving you there when you were supposed to beworking a two (2) man unit and saying...?

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And it's basically for the records. Um, it says that it requrres your appearance onSeptember sixteenth (16*), however there's alternative compliance provisiondown there. The records that welre looking on the attached, um if you don't havethem, just put in writing, "l donrt.fuave them." And like the logs, if you can't find,you can tell her, "Hey, I,use to have iem. I don't kno,1,y where thelt're at."

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Um, if you don't have a computer that reads a three-and-a-half (3r/2") inch floppy.

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I just don't know which one of the disks. I got about forry (40) them back there.

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Well, we can fix that.

(Inaudible), you can find all my Marine Corp stuff, and you can print that off forme, I'd like it, so get copies and stuff (inaudible).

Um, but you know, if you don't have any of that stuff, we don't expect you tocreate logs, or...or anything like that. Just let us know that you don't...we don'thave'em.

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REPORT TY?E: Transcription of Interview-Jeff Woods

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nineteen hundred (1900). But it's eighteen fifty-seven (1857) hours. Um myself,

Special Agent Steve Adetstein, and we are in the kitchen of Jeff Woods.t"

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Okay, we have several questions,we want to askyou

Okay.

If you, uh, feel uncomfortable with a question, just let me know. You're not

compelled to answer any of these questions, okay?

Okay.

Um, but we appreciate your help with this.

No problem.

Um, when did you start with Phoenix P.D.?

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Um, in nineteen ninety-nine (1999).

Okay, uh, and do you know George Contreras?

I do.

How do you know George?

Uh, worked with George. I worked with George. He...he worked actually in myprecinct. I couldn't say I worked on his squad, so.

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Okay, um have you ever heard of Raptor Services?

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Okay, what do you know aboul RaptglServices?

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JW Um...it's...it's- so varied and'so many.over the..just about ten (10) years I've

worked there...so I really don't know all of it.

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JW Okay, I've worked...I've worked traffic details.

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JW Um, I've worked for a wedding center...and...I've worked for...I've worked for,uh, George Contreras for...uh...*re con...the condo...the town homes overon...off of Broadway and Fortieth (40") Sffeet area.

MR Oh, is that the Cotton Center?

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MR Is that what you know that as?

JW We11...I don't know if it was known as the Cotton Center. But it was, I think itwas just called the town homes, 'cause the...the...they were on the north side ofthe road.

Okay.

Cotton Center's on the south side of the road. I don't know if it was all grouped

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JW ...as an off duty job. But'it was the toWn homes, and I actually okay...Iworked...I *otk d the it was,Cinco de Mayo. ' : ,

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JW For George...I worked...I work a market...1ike a market on Broadway. But that's

not George's job whgn I worked there. And I've worked, uh, a new...a differentwedding center. And that's...

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excuse me, do you recall how mqch you were paid per hour lor those jobs? Andlet's just say specifically the Cotton Center and the Cinco de Mayo things?

I'm sure they were between thirty ($eO1 and forty ($+01 dollars an hour.

Okay.

Somewhere like that, I...1 don't know the exact amount. But I would say

something like that.

MR Okay, and have you ever worked an off duty job and for which George was thecoordinator?

Yes.

Okay, and which jobs did you work that George was the coordinator?

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Uh, that would have been the town homes or the Cotton Center as you call it.Uh hu.

Or, and the um, and the Cinco de Mayo.

Okay.

Festival.

Just those two (2)?

Uh, off the top of my head that's all I can rememb-ef. l

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MR Ok"y, when did you begin working that job? Or, I can tell you welre looking at a

time frame from about trnro-thousand five (2005) to, um, December of oh-seven

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JW I...I wish I could tell you exact,datgs of times, but, yeah that's hard to...that'shard to remember.

Okay.

I would say...I would have said probably a couple years ago, but that's probably

the best that I can do as far as naffowing it down.

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No.Alright.

It was...it was a just a couple of times, it wasn't steady. It was...it was kind oflike fi||ing in, as far as I remember. Like, uh, I think I worked it two (2) and

maybe three (3) times at best.

Okay, um, So this'now...I'm not sure how to phrase this next question.

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yeah, it was...it was because lwas just kind of filling in, it wasn't real$ a steady

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Uh, what were the hours or days that you would typically work that job?

That was like a, uh...uh...more of a third (3'd) shift, from what I remember. Itwas more of like a, uIIl, eight (8:00) or nine (9:00)...eight (B:00) or nine (9:00)

o'clock. Somewhere like two...you know like nnro-thousand twenty-one hundred(2021), and um. And I...I think it was...it was eight (8) hours, I think. I'm not

sure, but I believe it was about eight (B) hours. It could have been eight (8) toten (10) hours, I have no idea.

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Okay, do you remember what your rate of pay was for that job?

I would probably Suess about thirry-five ($3s;"'thirty-five ($3s1 an hour'

Okay, and was it all straight time? Or was there differential for holidays? Did

you work holidays?

MR Okay, did that particular job require a marked patrol car on lhe site?

JW I...I yeah, it was. .there was supposed to be a ryarfga patol car there, yeah.

MR Okay, um what was the process for obtaining a car for that job?

JW Um, as far as I knew, I ihink they had, um, this...this, you know they might have

had a specific car assigned at the precinct,lthat we were supposed to use.

Uh hum.

Or we would just find the...find a vehicle that was...wasn't being used at thatparticular, you know, time.

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JW And just ask the desk aide for a set of keys for a car that was available.

JW No, I don't think I worked a holiday. Not that I can recall.

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that's why I'm saylng I think I three (3) times. I think the third time I worked bv

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MR Okay.

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MR Okay, did you um have to go on CAD to check out a car?

JW Oh, to sign in, you mean?

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JW Yeah, we had to sign in.'v

then you uh, did you log on to the"Mpt on the comp...on the car

itself?

Yeah I believe...yeah we did.

Okay, um tell me about your qpical at...at that job?

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The,t5pical shiftwas, uh I guess you just drive around.and makels&.evegything*"t, yon know, you're keeping the area secure, the premises secure. Um, as far as

I know you were trying to find any violations that were, uh, I'm tryrng to think of,

the...the specific violatigns. -, ft ,9ould havg fgen garking violations or anything

that...that pertained 1o the town homes and what they wanted us to...

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wise, um then...then we would...then we would, uh...uh...answer those calls

within that...within the townthome area. And,,uh...uh just general security, Ithink is the best way to describe it.

MR Okay, now when you work that.job did'you respond directly to the job site or didyou check in at the precinct? '

JW No, checked in at the precinct, and then...and then drove to the...to the site.

MR And, which precinct was that?

JW Souttr Mountain Precinct.

MR Um, did you check on the air with the dispatcher at the beginning or the end ofyour shift?

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JVV \,Vhat do you mean, "Checked on the air."?

MR Um, you know, "Go ten-eight (10-8),' advise them where you working or

anything like that.

J\ I No, at the time it wasn't a requirement to uh...to uh announce on the radio thatyou were...it is now. It has been for a while. Um, but we would...uh...I think...Ithink they did know when you signed on that you were off duty.

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there. You know, I'm really trying to remember, but I don't even remember if thatwas one of the times when we were supposed to advice or not, and whether we

did or not. I have no idea. ' i' "

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location. And I think, uh,:dispatchers would get that information so they had alisting of that, so they knew what you were...what you were doing.

MR Okay, how were you paid for that job?

J\ I Uh, I was paid, I'm sure I was paid by a check. And I don't recall if it was from,yeah you know, it probably was Raptor Services that paid through that check.

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MR Okay, and how often were you paid?

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encountered, fd get paid, I'd...I'd gotten paid late. There's only very few jobs thatacftally paid me right then and there, when I was comp...you know-..at the

completion of the job. Um....uh...that's about...a11 I think of...

Okay, um was there any kind of a log that was kept for that job?

Yeah, there was a 1og. There was a...uh...uh. iryt a paper log that...they wouldmark in that you...you and whoever else was working the shift. Um, and if you, I

think ar...I think at the end of the shift, um, I think I did a couple times. I may

have, I don't remember if I did it for every thift thel I did: B.ut I print up the unithistory so it show them that this is what did, while We were there.

Okay, um kind of like calls you handled or reports you wrot€, is...is that what you

mean, by printing out history?

Yeah, any notations, if yoU contacted sOmeb ,,,foi,whatever.lleason, Yor know,

itat type of thing, um...

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I think I may have done that maybe for...I'm remembering, it might have been.

There's another job that I remember workinSl nora,r that you'|tittg it up.-- Iremember ir another off duty job that l'had. That.we were dging,thlt specifically,

you know, printing up Se unit histories, but I'm...I'm not,sure if rlT particularjob was one of them. But ttrat was c€mmon to...to...print it up: And then if therewas any situations or any problems. It was notated, an{ I k"oY it was put like ina folder of the book at the,beginning. So that.other officer when they came on

shift, you know...you know...they could check it out.

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And see that this may be a potential problem. And to look at it and you know,while they're on their shift.

Okay, do you know if that...if that off duty job was um, alranged through Phoenix

P.D.?

Um, I assumed it was arranged through Pim...Phoenix P.D.

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was.. .uh...was uh...you know an off duty coordinator, that he handled all of thatpart of it. I don't know any...any of the business that happened benrreen him and

the departrnent as far as setting the job up or anything related to that.

Okay, and I I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but um, who had the offduty coordinators been for this job since you started up to from, like December

oh-five ('05) to present?

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'vVho...who...who had the off duty,cootdinators been for this job, speaking ofCotton Center. since two-thousand and five (2005) to present.

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Um, you said you...you thought of another off duty job. What was that?

It was the...uh...there was...uh...on the Rozier Aparunents. I remember workingthose. But I don't know...I don't know if George was a coordinator for that job ornot. And there was a...and I remember a log for...a paper log for that job, uh, wewould fill out, uh, thirty-six (36) cards of information, people that would trespass

and different things like that, uh, for ongoing problems (inaudible) tomanagement. I don't...I don't know if it was George's job or not.

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Okay.

Um, when did you begin working that job?

Well I know it was May fifth (5s), couldn't tell you, I couldn't tell you exactlywhat year that was.

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Have you worked a constancy...con$istently over the three (3) years?

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and then you know what, there was another, uh, job, I don't know if it was Cinco

de Mayo, or they were just having a party, some type of uh, maybe it was aHispanic:pride or something, or some kind of a uh...uh...I don't know what itwas. I think it was twice. So I worked the Cinco de Mayo, I remember workingthat. But thgn I remembered there was some kind, I don't know if it was a blockparty, oi some type of event that they were doing. It was in the same locationthough. It was right near Central Ciry precinct. There was...there was a parklocatld near',by,

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by George.

Okay, um so you worked it nvo (2) years you think?

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And I don't know if it was in the same year, I don't...I really don't. I know you're

sayrng nnro (2) years, but I think...the uh...I know the Cinco de Mayo, but of theother part of it, they had at some point. I don't know if it was within the sameyear. Man I wish I could remember all this.

That's...that's okav.

I apologize, I wish I was a better help to you guys.

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No, I don't...I don't want to guess either, and I don't want to, yeah...I justthat's. . .that's ridiculous.

Okay.

But I...but I know there was I'm preffy sure there's two (2) different parties.

There was the Cinco de Mayo, then there was another type of parfy, and I maybe

it was a Heritage party, like Latino pride type p?rty or something and they hadthat, or some tyrpe of an event., And uh, it'was in the same lo...like you said thesame location. And, we were just there as general'security again, uniform, uh nomarked patrol vehicles, just in uniform, uh...

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MR Alright, um any reason you didn't work it, last year?r' I .:. .:,

JW Iwasn'tasked ' . tl',,.,

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JW Yeah, I believe that was earlier in the, I think it was around like, uh, five (5:00) orsix (6:O0) o'clock. And ttrat went to about, uh, eleven (11:00).

MR So we're talking seventeen hundred (1700) right, to twenty-three hundred(2300)?

JW (Overlapping) Yeah about seven...about seventeen hundred (1700) to nrenty-three hundred (2300) or to uh. ..zero-zero-zero-one (0001).

MR Okay.

JW Something around there, something like that.

MR Yeah.


JW That's what I can remember.

MR Okay, do you remember what your rate of pay was for that?

JW I would say thirty-five ($35) and forry-five ($45) an hour'

MR Um, how many officers worked that job, do you remember?

JW Yeah there was, uh, there was a lot of officers that worked that detail. I wouldsay, my guess would probably be about, at least fifly (50) somewhere in that area.

MR Five-oh (s-0)...fifty (50).", ' ', , I '

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JW yeah, fifry (50) officers, it could have been...it could have more...it could have

been a linle less. But it was...it was...t'

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JW Y,gah, it's a pretry big number of officers. "'""" ' : ': '" . i" r"i'''"]'t'

MR Okay, um let's see you,already saiq.tnat...that you did not have a marked car?

Did that sound...is that correct?

JW No that...no...that was uh all on foot and in uniform.'r..,- r . 1.' .. ..,:.' :. .

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MR Okay, what was rhe tSpical job? What were...were...your typical duties for thatjob?

JW Uh, we were to walk through'the, uh,.the crowd um.

MR Now was this a fenced venue t5zpe thing, with a gate?

JW yeah...it was fenced ofl and it was gated, and it...and you had to, uh, pay to get

into the event.

MR

JW

Uh hum.

And, I just remembered want...you know...it was specific that everybody needed

to scatter...walk through the crowds. Make sure you, trh, basically kept

everything to you know.

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MR Were you teamed with somebody?

JW Um, at times I was...I'd walk around with somebody, but for the most partthey...they wanted rs, kind of...a...scattered to show presence more than

anything else. And it was the same, a general security type, uh capacity.

MR Okay, uh I'm assuming for that one, you...you...responded directly to the site?

JW Yes. i '

MRokay,youdidnotcheck.!nataprecinct?.:.'. ,,,,. ".l.,- .,

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,,,,.MR Okay, um did you check on the air for that'assignment?

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JW At least not from my perspective, I didn't have to fill out any logs or paper work.::

MR Okay, was this job arranged through the P.D.?

JW Uh, yeah I assume it was. George was the coordinator, so I assume he was

arranging it through them.

MR Okay...okaR any of your off duty jobs.

JW Right.

MR

JW

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Did you ever leave an off duty job early?

Um, if I was...yeah if they release me early, I probably would have left a little

leave that early?

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MR Okay.,.'

.

JW Yeah, I don't remember if I (inaudible). ,:,t'

MR Um, if we...if we checked...

JW Uh hum.

MR Like CAD when just checked out a car, or check one in. I mean it, taken in too

much.

JW Sorry.

MR No, that's alright. Hold your anns up, like this.

early, sure.

MR Okay.

JW If they told me they no longer needed or.

MR Okay, we[]|et's...let's talk like about the Cotton Center then.

JW okay. '."

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I,.'MR No, thank you, I'm fine.

actually I'll have some water, thanks.

MR Um, Cotton Center.

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JW Okay. :i,

' ,'"'.MR Well, anytime, just any{me,when you were at the Cotton Center, did...did ever

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That happens to me sometimes too.

Oh, all better. Um, so anyway if we were to check, like when you check the car

out...

Okay.

...and then checked the car back in, that would...that would tell us your end time,

right?

Um, the majority tirye, yeah. , ,

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It could tell you, absolutely.

Okay, um okay, when you were working the Cotton Center, and I know, I'm sorry

these, it's hard to recall stuff. But if you were teamed up with the second gUy, didyou ever leave early when you were ieamed up with somebody?

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JW Like I said I could of could not of. Okay, stop, you got my -agtention.,

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MR Yeah, that's exactly what she's looking for.

JW Yeap. ' r' '

MR Last question.

JW Sure.

MR Are you aware of a time of a time when you were paid for hours you didn't work?

Did George over pay you at anytime?

JW Did he over pay me?

MR Yeah.

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JW

I don't think he ever over paid me. You mean like if I left early, and then he paid

me for what I...?

Like...like for pay for the eight (B) hours even though you did maybe six (6)?

Um, I couldn't even assume that I left earty, that's what (inaudible).

Sure...I...I understand...I understand.

It...ir...like I said...I may or may have...may or may not have...and I have no idea

if that was, I'm blnng to think ol if...if we were told.' .,,'-":.' .. r r

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No.,.donlt b€ sorry. I fully und-..rstand,. Do yo11,have any questio4s, stev,g?

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SA' :Uh...no*as there ever a time when, uh, Geoige didnt pay you for hoursi

l:..I'don't remembe-f'hirn not...not paying il€, but I can't remember if he, there

may or may not have been a time when...when he uh...when I didn't get paid. I*", i,rrt trnng to recall that actually when, uh, that...*ltl I -*u: saying the

whole rumor mill was going around the station today, and I had asked um, my

wife. And I said, "Hey do you remember, did I even get paid,for my last job?

'Cause l....it's like I don't even remember if I did." And she,Wa$, uh, said to me

that she assumed that I did..,4,nd..so we were just trying to -fgtrre that out.

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UEL nothing to, nothing to be too concerned about here, this is

uh...uh...subpoena for documents. I , ',, ',,

Okay.

And...and um...uh...it's got an appearance date and everything. But if you

comply with the subpoena by providing the documents to the person named here,

you do not have to appear, um, it's basically...

Supply the documents?

Yeah, and that's on this page.

Yeah. there's the list.

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This is only asking for documents that you have in your possession. That youhave. If you...if you think deparunent might have documents, this isn't askingyou to go to the deparunent and try and get records, or if you think George mighthave documents, it's not asking you to 8o to George. This is only for stuff youhave, so you may not have all of this.

Okay.

Um, basically it's just saying, "H€y, here's the things that...that you may have."

And that's what it's asking you to pJovide, l

okay......'.'l'.:.....].'l..

Um, it's like I say, what you have is what have, whaf you don't have is what youdon't have.

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Um, and...and...what you might want to do is just document and note, "No Idon't have this. No, I don't have this. No, I don't this." and orovide what you do

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about logging the off duty jobs, because it's not something that we do now.

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JW Uh, I think*" frua to fill oui'those off dutSr'slips,..' i 'a

MR Uh hum.

JW ...to, in addition to the CAD, so there should like some kind of document.

SA At the department?

MR Right...right.

JW Yeah, those hard copy, that's what (inaudible).

MR No, that's...that's fine.

SA This is the original, you can glance at if you want. This is the copy you get tokeep, you can match'em when you look at'em.


JW

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Oh no, that's fine.

Okay, and I take this one back.

Okay.

Um, I was just gonna say something, and knocked out of my head. What was Ijust gonna say?

I have no idea. I

''',; :i , .. ,- :.-I already said, Meg Hinchey is.the person to call, if you have any questions about

this.

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SA Right, so she's got her number here. You ask for her, this is actually the main

number over at...at.

This is the one I Ory to...I Ury to provide all the...the information in here to.

JW

SA

Right, exactly...and...and you provide that to her. And then again, it's got an

"pi."t"n.., you do

-qg1 hive tb appear, but you definitely,want to contact her,

and provide,her the documents. Or ask for an extension if you,.need it, before thatdate. The sooner the better.

Okay. .,,... .' ' ,l .. , , , ' '' '

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And...and if you do that, you know, you should...there is no...there is no required

appearance when you provide. . .it's what you have-

JW Okay.

MR Alright, we certainly appreciate your time, and um...

Jw oh, no problem, I...I hope I"'I'm sorry I was, it's such a"'it's uh, you know'

MR Well, it's like a pop quiz. You don't have time to prepare, you know,

and...and...um...we understand that.

JVV Oh no thats fine, yeah but I don't.

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MR Plus the time that it's been. It's not like you were working a week ago, or twoweeks ago.

JW Yeah, and I never really worked, and I really never have had with the exception ofrecently having really a steady job so to speak.

MR Yeah.

JW So, I mean it's kind of like, so hard to figure dates and times.

MR Sure...sure... . ,

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MR Well that's the'other reason foi the.subpoena. Is it gives you, allows you time tokind of research what you got, and then supply for the...thq case.

JW Okay...okay. If there's any*ring in question, I'm sure what you're saylng, is thatthey'll, I'11 go here and then I'11 have to answer whatever questions they may have.

Or you guys my contact me at a later time...or...

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,.:.:.....:....SA lt's...it's...the main.thing is.you.have to contact her, and provide her the

documents. There's not gonna be any required appearance if you provide whatyou have, and you express to her, you've provided everything you have.

MRYeah.....'''.....'.........:..].I ,i

JW Okay. '' '

SA If questions come up later you may be interviewed again

JW Okay.

SA Um, you know that...that the thing..i,that would be the likely course that I wouldexpect.

MR Right.

SA Sure,absolutelyunderstandable.

MR Okay, well good, we're done.

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JW Very good.

MR Alright, and I'm going to turn off the recording.(1927) hours.

End of recording.

It's now nineteen twenty-seven


SPECTAT II{VESTIGATIONS SECTIONTMT{SCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW

DATE WRITTEN: February 5, 2009

CA,SE NAIvIE: SW2008-0A3749

REPORT TYTE: Transcription of Interview-Jennifer Confferas

AGENT: M. Hinchey SUPERVISOR: M. Edwards

TRANISCRIBED BY: D. Berggren

NUMBER: P002 2007-003090

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Persons on Recording '

KK Kathleen KempleyJC Jennifer ContrerasRG Ron Gibson

KK This,is Special Agents Kathleen Kemp,! and Ron Gibto@the house of Jennifer Contreras...Contreras at

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T*o-tlto"sand eight fZOOel and it is approximately one ffi-three (1:53) P.M.

Do youhave credentiali? Ai.we're looking for.lennifer Confferas.r Is she here?

UnidentifiedMan:Utr,Ithinkshe'soffasleep..,...' :' ' " ' ':

KK We're with.the Attorney General's:Office.- '

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KK We just need to talk to her for a few minutes.

Unidentified Man: Okay, well I be right back.

KK Okay.

Unidentified Woman: Katie come on. Hello.

KK Hi, are you Jennifer?

Unidentified Woman: No, I'm Lori, she should be coming down in just a moment.

KK Okay.

Unidentified Woman: Come on Pete let's go.

Unidentified Man: She'llbe right down.

KK Okay, thanks.

Unidentified Man: May I ask what this is about?

KK Uh, we'd rather just talk to her.

Unidentified Man: Okay.

KK Hi Jennifer.

JC Hi. :

KK fm lGthleen Kempley with the Attorney General]s Offrce. fhis is Ron Gibson.

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don't remember.

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Uh hum.

Certain dates and times. Um, how long have in for Phoenix P.D.?

Six (6) years, almost.

What year did you start?

Two-thousand nro (2002).

And George Confferas is your uncle?

JC

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My dad's brother.

Okay. Um, are you familiar with the company that he operated called Raptor

Services?

Yeah, a bit.

Did you do any off duty work for either him or when he was operating thatcompany?

Uhhum. : ,, , ,

And did he ask you to do that? How did that come about?

He asked be (inaudible) offduty, needed exna rnoney so...

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And was, what year did that start about?

I didnlt starr working,for him until probably two-thousand mayle five (2005) or

sii (2006).

KK And do"you remembeq- whal places you worked?.: Was it a regular shift that you

had..:or...? ': ' ''':

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JC No, it was um, it justi,fandom jobs here and there, I work for him very much. Idid, um, Circle K for a whil€,, But I got paid directly from Circle K. It wasn't from

him, now I dont, (inaudiUiel'Raptoiservices. 'r : i ,

KK Um, is that'something that he was a off dUty coordinator for, the Circle K job?

Where was that "t,

tftJ Circle K? ''l ''

JC Thirty-six eighteen (3618) West BuckeYe. , ,' ,

KK And did he schedule your shifts for you?

JC Uh hum.

KK And did you check out a patrol car?

JC No.

KK And then how did you get paid?

JC Circle K paid me directly.

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KK At the end of your shift, so they knew like when you came on, and when you

clocked offf

JC Uh, it was right at the beginning.

KK Okay.

JC They knew, 'cause I would sit. I would literally sit by the cash register and hang

out with the...the clerk, .

KK Okay, and then at the end of your shift, they just...?

JC Yeah, "See you later.",l:,,.,,1'.,r

KK Okay, and they paid you right there?

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that?..................]''...:....;....11...

JC I worked the tor,rm homes one (L) time.., ':.' f., ..; , _., .'1.....,".., , ,,. , ..1,,, . . '

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KK Okay. ''

JC I only worked it once.t. ..

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KK Did you work it solo or was somebody?.'

JC I was with, uh, Sergeant he's a Lieutenant now, Pat Portaricci. He's been

deployed now, with the ArmY.

KK You worked it one time?

JC Yeah.

KK And did you need a patrol car for that one?

JC Yes.

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KK And how did you get paid for *rat job?

JC Um, I think it was a check, a check from my Uncle.

KK Okay.

JC Later on.t.

KK And do you recall if it was for the hours that you worked or...?' . ,

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JC I don't remember. I do rernembgr,I, the one (1) shift we got held over for a while,

'cause we were (inaudible) ctiild abuse thing, so.' : . ,

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Yeah. ,l

Ok"y, and did you get paid for the whole time you were there?

Just the scheaUea *ift.

Now when you work an off duty job, ii:it policy to'ca{ and check in?

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And then do you call at the eqd of your shift and:gheck off, or do you just tell

them when you're gonna...when you're gonna be done.

JC I just tell them. We usually clear on the radio.

KK Okay.

JC Tell them the hours when we call to report to the station. Let them know what

times we're gonna be there.

Okay, so at the end of your shift you don't have to call and say, "Hey I'm done."?

We do know.

KK

JC

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KKJC

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Okay.I don't remember back then...but.

Okay.

Usually get on the radio just say that we're leaving.

Other than the town homes through Raptor Services, do you remember any otherjobs that you took, that were paid from Raptor Services? ,

There were a bunch of random or€s: Um, there. was um, like the Fiestas thatwould usually go. Like um, like for Cinco de Ma.1ro there was Fiestas like once ayear, over by the park, over by Central City precincts, were I work.

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And then there was a random one. That would always be o-vet at, um, off Van

Buren at Fiftieth something and Van Buren (inaudible) Parkway and Van Buren.

That was once a year for a few days. And then, um, all the apartments at Grant

Park, and those were_ prefty random for me too. I didn't work for him very much

except for the Circle K.' .

Do you ever remember being paid either for too many hours or too few hours forany of the...the jobs you worked for raptor services?

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Okay.

Oh no, you're talking the...your money for your lively hood you check.:

And when was the last you think you worked for Raptor Services?

Oh God.

I know its been a while.

It's been a while, yeah. I haven't even talked to my Uncle in probably at least a

vear.

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KK Okay.JC So, um.

KK Do you remember what your rate of pay for the town home job that you did just

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once.

No idea.

Was it just like a standard rate?

It was...it was...it was probabty usually off duty jobs are any where from forty(40) to fifty (50). -,'''' , ' ,, , ,. .

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It's usually forqf (40)...forry-five (45),,U,{n" Circle Kwas thirry-five (35).

Okay.

So, it just depends on the job.

Did you keep any off duty logs or anytf,ing like that?'i , , t . ,

They're all at the station'.1,', .. , . ' : .' ,il' .,1,.,:

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Okay, you don't keep any personal records? :

No, once I do my taxes, they're done, 'and l,haven't worked for him in a while...so.: .. r" ,,.1.

I just looking (inaudible) sure we covered everything they want to cover.

The...um...the Circle K...the town homes...the Fiestas...were those all inuniform?

Yes. ''

Did your Uncle schedule all those?

As far as I know, yeah.

Okay.

JC

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KK

JC

And he would just call you and say, "Hey I have a shift do you want it?"

He would call me in the last minute, or he would call me, like if somebody else

cancelled (inaudible). I was kind of like, on the side.

KK Okay.

JC I was the one who never kind of got a off duty, "You're my niece."

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KK And the list is attached back there.

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SPECIAL INNESTIGATIONS SECTIONTRANSCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW

DATE WRITTEN BY AGENT: October 17 ,2008 NUMBER: AGI P002 2007-003090

CA,SE NAIvIE: SW2008-0 O3t4g

REPORT TIIPE: Transcription of Interview of T. Reilly

AGENT: M. Hinchey SLJPERVISOR: A. Rubalcava PAGE 1 OF 2s PAGE(S)

TRAI.ISCRIBED BY: D. Berggren

Mark RobertsTerrance ReillySteve Adelstein

Today's date is August twenty-sixth (26'n) nvo-thousand eight (2008). The time

is sixteen forry-nine (1649) hours. Special Agent Mark Roberts and Steve

in. we're at the home of Phoenix P.D. Officer Terrance Reilly, Dir I approaching the house. How

you doing?

TR Hi.

MR Mark Roberts and Steve Adelstein from the Attorney General's office.

TR Okay.

MR We need to talk to about a case we're working on.

TR Uh hum, I just was getting ready to take my son to hockey.

MR We understand, but this is important.

TR Alright, (inaudible) can you put the dog outside? Put the dog outside?

Unidentified person: Put the dog outside?

TR Yeah, put the dog out. I don't suppose we could go the rink and talk?

MR Uh, no.

TR Okay.

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MR No sorrSr, this is, I know inconvenient.

TR Uh, it's not that, it's his last game of the season.

SA Oh, when does the game start?

TR Five ren (5:10), alright Terry don't push that. You can still play without it.

MR (Inaudible)

SA (Inaudible)

MR We want you to know that, uh, you're not...you're not in trouble. Okay,

you...you are a witness in our case, alight? Um, so again, I do have a bunch ofquesrions, but kind of rattle through them real quick for you, okay? Um, if time is

really close, let me know.

TR We have twenty (20) minutes (inaudible).

MR Alright, okay, how far do you have to travel?

TR Uh, it's just down by the precinct area, so.

MR Okay.

TR I just got to get his stuff on.

MR Okay.

TR I know you guys have stuff to do too, I just, this is his last game.

MR (Overlapping) I understand...I understand. Um, have you heard anything about

George Contreras, lately?

Just the rumors.

Okay.

Um, I heard that the, uh, the Attorney General's office is involved in something

with jobs he's coordinated, but nobody's really given specifics.

Okay, we'll we are here to talk to about the off duty jobs-

Okay.

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MR And, uh, I know you...you know worked some, and...and so...well you can

answer some questions for us, and help us out with that? Um, is it correct thenyou're employed with the Phoenix P.D.?

Yes.

Okay, when did you start with P.D.?

Um, my hire date was May Thirty-first (31') of Ninety-nine (?99).

Okay, um so obviously you know George Contreras.

That's coffect.

How do you know him?

Um, through work, um, yeah I worked (inaudible) same precinct. And, uh, hadsome buddies on the same squad, so, that's how we got introduced.

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MR Okay, um, have you heard of Raptor Services?

TR Yeah.

MR Okay, what do you know about Raptor Services?

TR That was the, uh, company he coordinated his, um, day jobs here.

MR Have you ever worked, uh, in a Phoenix P.D. Police officer off duty job?

TR Yes.

MR Okay, could you list the off dury jobs you've worked?

TR Several, I mean, it be on the past system. Um, the main ones I work are, likeright now, QT.

MR'vVhat's...what's that?

TR QT.

MR Oh, QT.

TR Sixty-seventh (67s) and McDowell, that's through, uh, Steve Huddleston.

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Okay.

That's acrually, right now that's the only off duty job I do. Um, I've done, before

that, a perrnanent job would have been, uh, Circle K Thirry-six eighteen (3618)

West Buckeye. I worked at Target, I can't remember them. It was two (2)

coordinators on Target, because it was, uh, two (2) different locations. Um, there

are one at Nineteettft-1f95 and Bethany Home, and then Twenty-fourth (246)

Street and Baseline.

Okay.

I can't remember who the coordinators are. I probably got them on my phone.

Um, those are pretty much my pennanent jobs. I've done fill in stuff here and

there. Um, that's the main ones though. The last couple of years, it's probably

been, uh, QT, Target and Circle K.

Okay, um do you recall how much you were paid per hour for those jobs?

Um, Target was thir...it was thirty.five ($35), QTs the one I'm working now, so

it's forty-five ($+S1. Circle K was thirry-five ($3S;, yeah thirty-five ($35).

Okay, have you ever worked an off duty job for...for which George Contreras was

the coordinator?

Yes.

And, which jobs, uh, did you work, that he was coordinator?

Mostly the, uh, Circle K...uh...give or take fill in jobs. Um, that was pretty much

mostly Circle K. And, then I did uh, he's did some festival's, a few times a year,

like the Hispanic Festivals downtown.

The Cinco de Mayo stufff

yeah, stuff like that. Um, and then (inaudible) I did a couple of shifts when the

(inaudible) first srarted, um, a while back, that's probably, (inaudible) a long time

ago. And then, he had some apartrnents, I can't remember, it was a few years

aio. But those were probably a few shift jobs, the...the main ones being, like Isiid, th....the main of his would have been Circle K. I think I worked that job,

probably, uh it had to be a year.

Okay, and when you...you said "fill in" do you mean, you get a last minute call or

ro*Linitg, to fillin forsomebody else, on...on the Circle K job?MR

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TR (Overlapping) Yeah, something like that, yeah...yeah, or just uh...or just uhrandom, a you know, I got a short term job in a couple of weeks.

MR Okay.

TR I don't really (inaudible).

MR But these were all off duty jobs that you were talking about?

TR Yeah, that would be, like that.

MR Okay...okay, and was it George that called you?

TR Il it...it depend sometimes it would be him, um, if it was his job, typically he

would call, or maybe a friend of his and say, "Hey, you know, he's got this job.

Do you want it? He can't fill it." type thing.

MR Sure.

TR It's pretty much word of mouth when it comes to that kind of stuff.

Yeah, I understand. Uh what was the last off duty job you worked under George?

TR Uh, that would have been Circle K.

MR Okay, have you been paid for all the hours and or jobs that you've worked underGeorge?

TR Yes.

MR Okay, uh, okay I need to ask you specifics about these jobs, um, so we'll start withthe QT. Um, the QT job, is that a job that was coordinated by George, or that's

another guy?

TR (Overlapping) No that's, uh, Steve (inaudible).

MR Okay and when did you begin working that job?

TR Uh, QT was it was the end of May or I think it was first week of June of oh-seven('A7). And at Target I worked probably about the same time...I'm sorry.

MR That's okay, um, do you still work that job, then?

TR Yes, I do.

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MR Um, what...what were the hours and days you worked that job?

TR Uh, QT I worked on it Fridays from eight {8:00) to four (4:00).

MR And what the...the rate of pay for the QT, is forry-five ($+S;.

TR That's forry-five ($+S;.

MR Okay was it all straight time, or was there a differential pay for holidays?

TR Uh, no QT paid for holidays, at least they, I worked one holiday which was the

Fourth (+d) of July and got paid time and a hall was kind of nice so.

MR Yeah, okay. How many Phoenix officers worked the job at a time?

TR Um...

MR And that's the QT job.

TR Yeah the QT job, how it works is, um, I think most locations are one (1) man.

Um, bur the one worked at sixty-seven (67m) and McDowell they had a lot ofproblems. So there was a four (4) hour overlap.

Uh hum.

They time varies normally it's from ten (10:00) to nvo (2:00), there's a second

officer there, sometimes eleven (11:00) to three (3:00).

MR (Overlapping) So it's just like the busy times?

TR Yeah...yeah the uh...because of the problems they had in the parking lots, um,

they consider it too violent for one (1) officer...

MR Sure.

TR ...by himself. So that's, uh, that's (inaudible).

MR Okay, uh did that job require a marked police car on site?

TR No it doesn't.

MR Uh hum, uh, and tell me about your typical shift for this job?

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TR Um, basicalty it's uniform. (Inaudible) they have a sign in log, and now theychange the way we do off duty, where you (inaudible) were you're at. Utr,basically the main concern there, is mark one. We don't, we actually don't paymuch attention to the inside of the store, 'cause of the problems in the parkinglot. So if there's fights or people too drunk or whatever, we move it along prettymuch.

MR Did. you respond directly to the job site or did you check in at the. . .the precinct?

TR QT right at the job site.

MR So you didn't check in at the precinct?

TR No, 'cause you'd call on the phone?

MR (Overlapping) Okay...okay, um did you check off at dispatch or...or radio at thebeginning or end of your shift?

TR ForQT?

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Okay, how were you paid for this job?

Um, Steve (inaudible) the job coordinator, gefs a check from QT, and thenforwards them off, uh, we get paid...it's pretty weekly unless there's some kind ofglitch with um, with whatever. It doesn't really happen.

Okay.

Once in a while.

And how often are you paid for that job?

Uh, basically weekly.

Um, was there a log of any...uh...of any kind kept for the job?

Ar QT?

Uh hum.

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TR Yeah.

MR Okay, what about...what aboutwith the PD?

TR Well when you call in a job...

MR Uh hum.

TR ...uffi, you have to, you're required to log in at the precinct. So you give 'em yourjob number.

Uh hum.

...and then say, you know, this is my serial number, this is job number, this

location, I'11be here from here to here.

MR Okay, um but there...there was a log at the QT?

TR Yeah.

MR Was...was...that right?

TR Yeah.

MR What would you put in that log?

TR Um, name, serial number, date, um the amount of hours, and the times I worked.

MR Okay, if you made an arest or had to take any kind of action was...?

TR That one doesn't have, um....

MR Database.

TR ...some jobs, yeah some jobs will have like actual activity books.

MR Uh hum.

TR Like I filled in a job for, uh...uh...Bill Galas um, was it, a month or two ago,

maybe three, and it was a uh, um, a business complex that got burglars at night.

So ihey had a log were he'd say, you know, I patrolled here, during this time, and

you know, (inaudible) or told this person that you were contacting this person,

io*. jobs do, some jobs don't. QT is just strictly (inaudible), I think it's more forthe payroll.

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MR Uh hum.

Just a name, serial number, and the date and time.

Okay, was this job arranged through, uh, the P.D.?

Um, Steven Huddleston, um, sends out, when he has jobs, he sends out, uh,

basically through text, um, a friend of mine, got that through text, and told me

about it.

MR Well what I'm asking is, did the company contact the P.D., and then the P.D.

contacts, somebody?

TR Yeah, typically what happens, is the, uh, the company contacts, and

then...uh...uh...it goes through the job coordinator, from there.

MR Uh hum.

TR I know, I'm not job coordinator, so I'm not exactly sure how it works. So, there

use to be a time when, um, sometimes they would contact the officers specifically,they would be told, well you have to through off duty. And they would request

an officer, other times the shifu, they call off duty detail. I think now is more,

they just call'em the off duty detail.

MR Okay.

TR They would know more about.

MR Okay, um over your career, do you know the who the off duty coordinators have

been, for this job? Is it always been...

TR QT?

MR Yeah.

TR Is from, it started last year, it's been (inaudible).

It's always been him?

Yeah.

MR Okay, um, you've always worked that job in uniform?

TR Thats coffect.

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MR Okay, let's talk about Circle K.

Okay.

Uh, when did you begin working that job?

It's been a while. Um, I would have to look at the past system to be honest withyou.

MR Okay.

TR I'm not a hundred percent (1000/0). I would, I think it was like, it was close tosummer time, probably tike May or June. I think I started filling that in, it was...itbecame (inaudibte), I know nobody use to want to work Saturday's, and I workedSaturdays.

MR Yeah.

TR But, and it's been a while, I haven't worked that job, since sometime last year,

after I picked the QT job up, I started slowly (inaudible).

MR (Overlapping) Back and wait in line? So you're curently not working the Circle

K deal?

TR No...no.

MR Okay, um do you remember about when you stopped, altogether any idea?

TR I'm gonna say, and this is a guess, probably October, November.

MR Of last year?

TR Lastyear.

MR Okay.

TR It had to be, because I thought it was after Halloween. Unless I'm confusing itwith QT, because, it...it was sometime, um, probably the fall of last year, whenI...I was done.

MR Okay, was it all suaight dme, or was different (inaudible) holidays?

TR I don't think I ever worked holiday there, so I'm not sure. I think they did pay

holiday pay, but I don't think ever worked a holiday.

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Okay, and then how many officers worked at one time?

(Inaudible).

Just one guy?

Yeah, it was uh...I think ten hour (inaudible) shifts that day.

Okay.

Um, officers could split the shifu to um, to um, like if someone...if someone

worked two a night, and with me I work Saturday nights. So, I worked the wholething.

MR Alright, did that job require a marked car at the site?

TR No, it didnt.

MR Tell me about your typical shift at Circle K?

TR It's basically the same job as QT, um...

MR Same issues?

TR (Inaudible) the same problems, yeah there's a swap meet across the street...

MR Yeah.

TR ...We get a lot of people coming over from that, (inaudible) place. So that was,

keep people from fighting in the parking lot, and try to keep things under control,and that's the same thing over.

MR Okay, um did you respond directly to the job sight or go to the precinct?

TR No...to the job.

MR Okay, um and did you check off on the radio with the dispatcher beginning and

ending of your shift?

TR I'm trying to remember when that...when that...when that went into effect. I'mthinking (inaudible) probably did. I don't remember when that policy wentinto...went into effect though.

MR Uh hum.

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TR 'Cause it started flip flopping, and uh, probably for the latter end of it. I'm sure itdid. Because I know Pete Sumner called, so that one had to be at the end. But Idon't know if the entire duration I worked that job, it was that way, or iustthe...the last part of it, whatever the departrnent policy was at the time.

MR Okay, how are you paid that job?

TR Um, Circle K was...well it went nnro different ways. Um, originally it was, it paid

you either in the beginning or end of your shift. Um, the store itself would pay

you. And then, uh, it went to um George and then he cut you a check, I...it's...Iittitrt there was some, I don't know, (inaudible) or something with the, I can't

remember what it was. For some reason it switched over from doing that tohaving him pay us, so then (inaudible) get a check.

MR Okay, um how often were you paid for that job?

TR When it was, obviously when it was the old way it was at the end of the shift or

beginning of the shift. And then I think after that, um, sometimes, it kind ofvaried, ii was easy. It seemed like it was usually just before the shift, like you

know, since I worked it more pennanently I think sometimes I got paid ahead oftime. Um, and then there are times when it would be like, you know, the next

week, is how I pretty much got Paid.

MR Okay, uh, was there a log of any kind kept for that job.

TR Yeah I think...yeah there was. It was...it was the same log as QT, were you, um,

I...I kind of...I think it was more payroll. It was just, um, (inaudible).

MR It was there at the store?

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The log book?

Yeah...yeah, it was just name, serial number, date and time you worked and

hours.

Okay, um and was that job arranged through Phoenix P.D.?

Yes, it was.

And, for Circle K who were the off duty coordinators?

I think when I worked it, it was just George.

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Okay, uh, again that was a uniform position?

Yeah.

Did you ever work plain clothes?

No, not there.

(Overlapping) Okay...okay, um Target.

Uh hum.

That...that's okay.

I the...the coordinators, I think one officer was out of, uh, central city precinct.

Okay.

And it was basically the guy who's permanently there, um, blew out a shoulder.So I told him, until he got back.

Are you still working Target then?

No...no.

Not doing that? When did you stop working at Target?

Um, it's hard to say off hand. I did a couple fill in shifts, this past year. I don'tknow how many. Ufii, I think I was mostly done with that. It had to be aroundChrisunas time. Whenever he came back from his shoulder being done, and Ithink he was out for about six (6) months.

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MR We'll do this again, same questions. Uh, when did you begin working Target?

TR Um, again it was right around summertime, I want to say June. A guy in mysquad got hurt.

MR So, summer of oh seven (A7)?

TR (Inaudible) couldn't remember if it was last year or the year before. It had to be

last year. I'm just tryrng thinh 'cause I've been on the squad for two (2) years

now. It was either this past summer or the summer before. I think it was thispast summer. Um, and that was two (2) coordinators, because the locations weredifferent. Um, (inaudible).

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Okay.

...however long'til he got back. I stopped doing it.

Do you remember what the hours and the days were, for that job?

Um, his was a set schedule, like a set day of the week? It had to be, it was eitherprobably Tuesday or Wednesday, and it was basically um, it was after work, andthen whatever time they closed, it was like a half an hour past the closing, it waslike ten thirty (10:30).

Uh hum.

Or something like that. So it was basically um, I finished work at four (4:00), so

probably the start time was four thirty (4:30) 'til ten thirty (10:30).

Do remember (inaudible) the rate of pay. Uh was it all straight time, or was theredifferential rate for holidays?

Uh, you know what, I don't remember working a holiday there, and I don't if theypaid for holidays there or not.

Okay, um, how many officers worked there at one time?

One.

Okay, and did this job require a marked police car?

No.

And tell me a tlpical shift, what was that like?

Um, that one was, they wanted you visible in the parking lots especially. Um, theone up north, they were having a lot of break-in's of cars. So they wanted...kindof...they want you more patrolling the parking lot.

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Um, they had their own asset protection, so basically if they got a shoplifter, theyturn them over to you. Or if they thought the shoplifter had any kind of knife orsomething on them, then they would have us do the stop, rather then them, since

I was (inaudible).

Right.

Um, that's pretty much it. I don't we didn't really walk the store a whole lot, theykind let their asset protection, they want them walking around catching people.

MR Sure.

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MR Sure.

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MR Okay, um did you respond directly to the job, or did you check in at the precinct?

TR No, that was directly to the job.

MR Okay, uh did you check off at dispatch with the radio the beginning or end ofyour shift?

That...I believe that time was during the time period, (inaudible).

Okay, how were you paid for that job?

Um, that was a check and it, was a check from Target. It was sent to thecoordination, forwarded off.

MR Okay, so your check was from Target?

TR Yeah, it said Target on it.

MR Okay.

TR Target Corporation, same as QT it says QT on the check.

MR Okay, how often were paid for that job?

TR Um, Target was pretty good at it. I think it was weekly.

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And was there a log of any kind kept for this job?

There was I don't remember if they also had were you put what you didthroughout the day. Um, I think they had a spot, like if you had a shoplifter, Ithink you include it...your report number there, (inaudible) report that day. ButI think that's only activiry that you put on there. I don't remember putting anyother notes, yeah I...I don't remember.

Okay.

I know there was definitely for Simon (inaudible) I think they had to prlt theminto D.R.'s too.

Okay, and then was that job arranged through the P.D.?

Yeah...yeah. ..through a coordinator.

Uh hum.

Yeah.

Alright and who were the off duty coordinator for Target? You said there weretwo (2).

There's two (2), and I can't remember their names.

Okay, (inaudible).

But I...I mean there's.

Neither was George Confferas, he didn't handle that?

No...no it was, uh, I want to say the,one (1) guy was from Central Ciry precinct.God I can't think of their names. Uh...I'm what ever there'd be a record of it. Idon't...I can't remember when.

Okay, and hodd you work that job, uniform or plain clothed?

Uniform.

Um, does the name Cotton Center mean anything to you? Did you work there?

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TR Yeah, that's the townhomes. tvVhen I first started out, I did a couple shifu, I thinkthat was, that was, I don't know, whenever it started. That would be about three(3) years ago.

MR Okay, are you still working that?

TR No, I only did a couple in the beginning.

MR VVhr'd you stop?

TR Um, I actually stopped working off duty period, for a while so...

MR During this time?

TR Yeah.

MR From three (3) years ago?

TR Yeah, I had some personal going on, so I didn't do any work.

MR Okay, when you worked, uh, Cotton Center, do you remember what your hoursand days that you worked that job?

I have no idea.

Okay, what was the rate of pay for that job?

I'd have to look, it was probably, usually George's job were, with the exception of,uh, Circle K easily, I would guess the forty ($+01 or fifty ($50; range. But, I meanit's been a while. I don't remember off hand, it was, like I said it was like three(3) years ago.

Okay, um do you remember if that was paid straight or was there differential forholidays?

I have no idea I didn't work, like I do enough of it.

I understand. When you worked, uh, Cotton Center how many officers workedat...at a time?

Um, that was a naro man job.

Okay, and did that job require a marked car?

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Yeah...yeah.

Okay, um what was the process for getting the car to the job?

You had to go to the precinct, um, log it out, and load it up. And, then you had

to go the job site, and then you had to go to the precinct afterwards.

Okay, um tell me about your typical shift at the job?

I'm rying to recall, (inaudible) it's been a while. Um, from my understanding

were looking like, uh, they're tryrng clean up the townhouses, so probably stop

the suspicious people. Um, I'm tryrng to think of what we did. Probably I wouldimagine (inaudible) you know (inaudible) stolen vehicles. (Inaudible) I know itwas like, uh, they're fyrng to, someone had bought the townhomes, or

something, I think they were tryrng to clean it up. Again, it was...it was quite a

while ago. Um, I'm just going off...typically apartrnent job is, there's usually an

apartment that uh (inaudible), you know sell dope.

Sure.

Typically what they'll want you to do is concentrate on them. And then the

people that don't belong in there, contact them, it's kind of a, are you visiting

io*.onu, (inaudible). And then if they (inaudible) ca leave. Um, that's typical$what the apartment jobs entail.

Alright, now when you picked up the car at the precinct, uh, did you guys check

on the MDT and all that?

I would assume if it's a patrol you would have had to sign on. Again it'sbeen...it's been forever.

Did you have the CAD system at the station, before you...you took off?

I don't remember, if we signed on we would have had to.

Well, I guess what I'm getting, isn't a procedure...I don't know. But isn't.-.isn't

the procedure when you gfab a car at the precinct you log onto CAD?

You...you sign a car, there's...there's like a hard copy, YoU had to sign a car off.

And, tfien thiy can I can imagine taking a patrol car without having to sign on the

IVIVD.

Yeah, okay.

TR

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TR Um, but I have worked most in so long, I...I can't remember what the procedure

is. I'm just guessing that's what it would be.

MR Okay.

TR You know, I had because he wanted us to mn plates for the, uh, (inaudible)...

MR The area?

TR ...and stuff so, yeah it would have had been in (inaudible).

MR Okay, um so, I know you responded to the...to...you started your day at the

precinct then, right?

TR That's correct.

MR Okay, which precinct was that?

TR 'Uh, South Mountain.

MR South Mountain? Alright, and did you also

dispatcher, beginning or end of your shift?check up on the radio with your

TR I can't remember, that was, that was a long time ago. I don't know if that was the

policy back then or not, um, if the policy then we would have. But, I can't

remember if that was the policy or not.

MR Okay, that's fine. How were you paid for that job?

TR That was...that was through, uh, George. He, uh, I don't remember if it was the

company, the real estate company check, like were he forwards it like QT, or if itwas a check through him, I don't remember.

MR Have you gotten checks through him before?

TR The Circle K ones.

MR Through Raptor Services?

TR Yeah...yeah I remember, I said, "Did they change?"

MR Yeah...yeah.

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TR Um, but the other ones, I'm not sure on the festival jobs, I'm trying to remember ifthe festival jobs were, um, where he cut the checks or they cut checks. I don'tremember.

Okay.

I know I got paid. But I don't...I don't remember what the issuing company(inaudible).

MR Okay, um how often were you paid for that job? And, I know you said you didn'twork it very long, but.

TR Yeah, I...I...I'm guessing did mro (2) or three (3) shifu. So, I don't know.

MR Okay, was there a log of any kind kept for that job? Okay.

TR I can't (inaudible).

MR Um, and was that job, do you know if that was arranged through Phoenix P.D.?

TR Yeah, that was uh, a job (inaudible) was the coordinator.

MR Okay, and...and for that job, specifically you know that the coordinator was

George Confferas, is that right?

TR Yeah.

MR When you worked that job, I assuming you were in...in uniform?

TR Yeah.

MR Okay, and just a couple questions and were done. Um, when you worked any offduty job, did you ever leave an off duty job early?

TR No.

MR Okay, uh, were you ever paid hours you didn't work an off duty job?

TR No, (inaudible) what ever I worked, I got paid for.

MR Okay, and you kept track of that, you made sure your records and everything yougot paid for was correct?

TR

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I don't...I mean I don't really, I've never had problems with jobs not paying longterm, so I don't really do a whole lot. I mean if someone doesn't pay, (inaudible)bugging'em, "Hey where's my money?" Since the jobs I work are pefinanent, forthe most part, I don't really have any problems. I just, uh, I just know where wecan get the check, (inaudible).

So did that...and...and I think you answered this already, so I'm sorry, but didthat ever happen, you ever not get paid?

No...no because basically if, I were to work a job and they weren't Solrna pay, Iwouldn't work the job. Um, in fact the only one I've ever, the last one that took awhile getting paid, would have been QT, when they first started off, there was

some payroll problems. But, it's a big company, you know they're Sonna pay.

Um, and the reason that I won't bother the guys one is because, there's been, inthe past, there's been companies were you know it's a short tenn and they fold,and suddenly...

Oh yeah.

...your not gonna get, you know, where's...where's the money in it. They've hadto go through court, and that. So, that's why if it's either gotta pay the firstcouple weeks, or I won't work it.

Okay, any questions?

No, I think that...*rat cover's it. Did you ever here of...of any other officers thatwere working off duty, that didn't get paid, stay...specifically by George?

You know, um, again there was...there was rumors, um, I never had any issue,

because, if there ever was something were I wasn't paid that weeh I would justcall them up, and he always cut me a check.

Okay.

Um...

You couldn't...you don't know any others (inaudible) rumors that it might havehappened?

(Overlapping) Just the rumors...yeah, just the rumors, yeah.

And that's it?

Yeah.

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Okay, this is, uh, anything?

No, I'm...I'm done.

Okan uh, this is...this is a uh, subpoena that they want us to, uh, give you here.

I'11 show you the original (inaudible).

Oh, God.

Hi there buddy.

My heart just went up here.

This is for documents that you may have in your possession.

Okay.

What you do, is um, I'11 let you look at this, this is the original, I'11 take this bachand this is the copy you get to keep. This is alternative compliance over.

Yeah.

Are you familiar with this? Okay, alternative compliance means that, when youprovide the documents that you have, that it's asking for, that you do have, andyou may not have everything it's asking for. And you get them to her, then you

do not have to appear on the date that's its saying that you do appear. Okay, so

really, basically it's for records and giving you don't have to appear on date(inaudible). And this is what it's asking for, again, it's what you have, not for you

to go and try and find the records...

(Inaudible)

...(inaudible) or it's what you have in your possessions as long you indicate to the

case agent that, um, no, I don't have this stufl this is not in my possession. But,leds say you don't have to, (inaudible). She may ask for a hand written note, orsomething that says, "I don't have this, I don't have this, I don't have this." Butyou can take a look that, this is the copy you get keep. And, uh if you have anyquestions, (inaudible) probably better to call Meg.

Um, my other question, is this showing oh-five ('05), (inaudible)?

Um yes, thads coffect (inaudible).

(Inaudible) I don't keep any more than two (2) years.

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Well that's fine.

What do you want me to do with that?

That's...it's what you have.

If you don't keep any more than nvo (2), then you obviously don't have anythingto provide.

Yeah, that's fine.

It's...yeah.

And when do you Buys, you need this?

Uh, it needs to be provide to her, you need to contact her before the date ofappearance.

Uh hum.

So um, in order to avoid having to appear, you need to...

Obviously the sooner the better.

Yeah, I know I just, I mean...

But that is kind of the problem.

I got a dig it up, it's kind of.

Oh, sure yeah.

I here it all...I hear you.

(Overlapping) You...you (inaudible) and...and if for some reason it's really hardand...and you know, you need more time. Call her, make you sure you call herebefore this day, well before this day.

Yeah.

And get, and she...she I would expect in normal circumstances, she could giveyou an extension.

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TR Yeah, no, it's not a big deal, I moved last, and I went to apply for the Sergeants

and I can't find my, so. I'm still, there's a lot of Stuff, I don't were it's at, so like Iknow...I know I usually keep stuff for about two (2) years, so I can.

MR Okay.

SA Whatever...whatever it is that you can...

TR Am I bringing the...the pay stubs for all the jobs?

SA Uh...

TR Or like Target, QT, (inaudible).

MR I know that were specifically focused on...on George and Raptor Senrices, alright?

SA lt's not what it says, though.

MR Uh...but...but I think that to be in compliance with the subpoena you'll need tobring everything that you've got.

TR Alright.

MR Um, you know, like nvo-thousand and five (2005) to present, I think is what thatasks for.

SA And if you do, you know, if you do have questions, give Meg a call.

MR Yeah.

SA And, uh, you know, leave a message on her voice mail; she'Il get that to you.

And...and...uh...I think that's the correct answer. It is asking for everything.

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Okay.

But um, if it's easier to give her a call and find out for sure.

Yeah, like I said, as long I...1 mean, as long as I got a couple days to pick it up,'cause I got...

Yeah.

...sort through it, so.

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MR You bet, well we appreciate your time, I know it's...it's been...

TR Yeah, no...I know, it's just, like I said, the...this is probably likedoing it, 'cause it's his last game for hockey, so.

MR Yeah, okay.

SA Yeah.

TR Um, (inaudible) did you guys need me to sign one?

MR Nope.

TR Okay.

SA No...no...we can just...

MR We're good.

SA Alright.

MR Let me ftrn this off, it's a five forry-five (5:45).

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STATE OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERALSPECTAL IT MSTIGATIONS SECTION

TRANSCRIPTION OF INTERVIEIAI

DATEWRITTEN: October L9,20A9 NUMBER: POO2-2007-003090

CASE NAIvIE: Police Officer Misconduct

REPORT TWE: Transcription of Interview- Pat Tortorici

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what I've visiied with every body,'e:lse we have kind of a standard round of questions

we're asking

PT: Okay

MH: Excuse me. Um... and then the file gotto,dig through the papers. PT so I'll just

through this at you and some of 'them may seem kind of redounded or silly, but it's just

to um, consistent with others.

PT: inaudible) fine

MH: Um, okay let's see here obviously your employed by the Phoenix Police Department

is that correct?

PT: Um so far I don't know how this phone call is gonna work out, but yes mama'

MH: Well I hope put it works out okay, oh my goodness.

PT: Yeah

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MH: Okay and do you know George Confferas?

PT: Yes I do.

MH: And how do you know George Contreras?

PT: PT lets see, I met George in two thousand (2000) when I worked at the FamilyInvestigations Bureau, urn... he was a detective there and I was assign there and I sat in acubical right next to him.

MH: Gotcha, okay when did you start with Phoenix?

PT: PT Nineteen ninety six (1996)

MH: Okay

PT: December of nineteen ninety six (1996)

MH: Sure okay and, um at the time that you worked in the cubical next to George wereyou both detectives at that point of time

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MH: Okay um have you ever heard of Raptor Services?

PT: Yeah

MH: Okay and what do you know about Raptor

PT: The only thing I know is George told me that was his company that he created for his

off duty work, and I remember um... I think on a check I remember he had checks thathad said Raptor Services on them.

MH: Okay so you have been paid from a check?

PT: I-- I believe so yeah I'm almost positive.

MH: By Raptor okay, PT so you have worked off duty jobs with Phoenix Police

Departrnent is that correct?

PT: Oh yeah

MH: Okay do you roughly which jobs you've worked?

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PT: For him or overall?

MH: PT, let's just stick to the ones for George since that's the focus.

PT: PT, well I worked obviously the town homes jobs

MH: Okay

PT: And I worked uh a couple of times at a Circle K on like thirty fifth (35) avenue and

Buckeye

MH: Sure

PT: But not very much and then uh other than that there was the occasional PT

quincernera or like a single event like a parade or something that I would work, you

know with him and a bunch of other people.

MH:'Right did you ever workany'of'the Cinio d"'M?11,,try{or the Fiestas?

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MH: I'm sorry

PT: No I did not

MH: Oh I'm sorry okay PT; let'sliee here PT okay,'so in regards to PT the tor,rrn homes,

some people call that the Cotton Center do you know it by that name also?- 't' l'

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PT: Well that's ah I know what they are talking about that's right across the sffeet fromthe town homes.

MH: Gotcha and the town homes are the ones over on fortieth (40) street and

Broadway?

PT: Right

MH: Okay, PT, and you remember, well we'll talk about that job first then we'll talkabout Circle K. Do you remember in that job about how much you were paid an hour?

PT: I think it was forty five (45)

MH: Okay

PT: I think

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MH: Alright and do you remember the last time you would of worked there roughly?

PT: Wow

MH: I know a lot of this question is (inaudible)

PT: Well the problem I have is that I was diploid from my second time since then mytime is all screwed up. I think is was may be, well lets see PT, I got promoted tolieutenant in December of two thousand six (2006)

MH: Okay

PT: So it would have been right before that

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MH: You mean two thousand six (2006)

PT: I'm sorry, two thousand six (2006), so yeah cause tlt be three years of lieutenant inDecember, so yeah it was nvo thousand six (2006).

MH: Okay, alright and uh, regards ,to the work you did at the Cotton Center youremember how you got paid

PT: I believe it was by check

MH: Okay and who was the check from do you recall?

PT: George

MH: Okay and to your knowledge have you been paid for all the hours that you workedunder George for that job?

PT: Uh yes

MH: Okay PT, and obviously that job is not going any longer. PT, do you remember ifyou worked any holidays for that job?

PT: I don't think I did

MH: Okay and how many officers worked at the Cotton Center at that point in time

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PT: Uh there was usually two (2) officers per shift and there was a lot of officers thatworked it.

MH: Yeah

PT: Some of them more than others.

MH: Yeah I've sent that I got pretty good size spread sheet

PT: I would imagine

MH: Yeah that shows that and yeah as you know most of these you know I just has to be

consistent in asking all the questions

PT: Sure ,.MH: Does this job require marked police car on site?

PT: Yes ::

MH: And do you remember what the process was for obtaining a car

PT: We would um, meet at four hundred (400) precincts on seventh (7) avenue oh

fourth avenue and Southern ' .,,

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PT: Uh the two officers would meet there uh, get a car and then head over to the towlrhomes.

MH: Okay and what was the rypically shift at that location like what kind of activities didyou see, what were your responsibilities? ::

pT: Wetl um, basically it was just um patrol like almost a pauol function with in the

town home area um, and we would add, we would respond to any radio calls inside the

town homes. Um, and just look for criminal activities, we some times get out and walkon foot, but for the most part just cursing around the town homes in the patrol cars.

MH: Sure kind of like its own little beat

PT: RightMH: Yeah

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PT: Exactly

MH: Okay and I understand why I ran through there myself a few times.

PT: Yeah

MH: Um, let's see here and ah at the beginning or the end of the shift did you check offon air with dispatcher or the radio?

PT: You know I got to be honest with you I think most time we didn't.

MH: Okay, and I'm not sure that I understand that there's a poliry in place

PT: Your suppose to.

MH: And I'm not sure that it was in place atthe,time '

pT: I'm not sure,I think that it might have been maybe,for part of it or some*ring, but Ijust know that it was common practice that we didn't do'itt

MH: Do you remember how often whgn y9u worked this job the frequency of pay how

often you would get paid for wbrkilg the-job. '

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MH: Okay um, and do you remember if there was any kind of a log kept for the Cotton

Center job?

PT: Yes there was a little office it was actually the um, the actual office for the town

homes where they had a model, you know a little apartment there, and there was a littleoffice in the back and um, you would just put stuff ! the log about any arest you've

made, or any contact with individuals within the tolvn homes.

MH: Yeah sure, and was this job worked plain cloths or uniforms

PT: Uniforms

MH: Okay and I'm gonna ask you the same questions about the Circle K job do you

remember roughly the last time when you worked the Circle K job

PT: Wow, it was a probably two thousand five (2005) may be

MH: Okav

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PT: If it then I think it was, it might have been earlier then that even.

MH: Sure and you said that excuse D€, you worked there periodically um, myunderstanding is that there have been people assign and some times they would get

other people to fill in does that sound like something you were doinS?

PT: Uh I was a fillin

MH: Okay

PT: Yea so if there were guys that worked it all the time and I would just fill in every

now and then

MH: Right and that's how it's been explained to me um, and when was the uh, lets see

why did you stop working that job

PT: Um, I don't know, I just stopped working it

MH: Sure

PT: Actually I wanted to be working but he never assigned me any more ah shifts overthere.

MH: Gotcha, okay and do you remember the right of pay for that job?

PT: I believe it was thirty five (35),'t , l

MH: Okay

PT: An hour

MH: Sure and do you remember if you were getting holidays on that one

PT: I don't believe so

MH: Okay and how many officers worked that job at one time

PT: It was one (1) officer per shift

MH: Okay and did it require marked car?

PT: No

MH: Okay and what was the typical shift and what were your responsibility on that job.

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PT: That was just um, you know it was a truck stop so obviously you know what all thatentails. Um, cursing around the area where the uucks were and chasing off lot lizardsand homeless people, and just kind of been a crime deter in the actual store its self.

MH: Sure just kind of a present

PT: Yea especially when they would um, right across the street was some kind of swatmeet or something, and when that was led out it was uh, it would get pretty bad overthere with the vehicles in parking lot and stuff.

MH: I would imagine all the chaos

PT: Yeah

MH: Um, you said. they didn't require a marked car so would you respond directly to thesite in that situation?

PT: Yeah

MH: And do you recall if you checked off wrth the radio at that job?

PT: I did

MH: And how did you get paid for that job, who paid you for that job

PT: George paid me

MH: Okay, and do you remember how often he would pay you?

PT: You know I worked there infrequently enough, but it was basically if I worked a shifrI would get paid a few days later.

MH: Okay, alright, and like I said a lot of these to we're going back a way

PT: Yeah

MH: So if you don't recall that no big deal, I'm just again, just got to be consistent. U$t,and do you recall on that job if there was a log maintained?

PT: You know the only thing that we did do is if we trespassed somebody of the propertywe would fill out the little ah, it's called a thirty six (36) card we would just put theinformation on there um, and keep in file, but there wasn't like a binder where youwould write down daily activities and stuff. I know you'll write down that you were there

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MH: Mmm hm

PT: You know you'll write down your shift and you name and serial number

MH: In a note book?

PT: Yeah in like a little binder that they kept behind the cashier.'

MH: Okay, and on that job was itworked in uniform or plain cloths?

PT: Uniform

MH: Okay um, let's see here I'm just looking through, and I have the advantage um thatyou don't of having obviously some dates and stuff, so I'm just gonna glance at them realquickly

PT: Sure

MH: I mean it looks like at the Cotton Center, does it sound correct that you would haveworked you know I don't hand'full of shifts wetll call it, I haven't even counted them, butfrom Decembef two thousand,five. (2005) looks like the nnro lat you would have workedwere September of mro thousand six (2006). Does that sound correct?

PT: Um, that sounds alright

MH: Okay, um, and when you worked at the Cotton Center do you remember the name

of some of the folks that you would have wor,ked with?

PT: Um, let me try to remember. Well I worked with George a couple of times, and I can

see the guys faces, but they were all guys that, I can't remember any names.

MH: That's fine, I'll through a couple at you and you tell me if you recall ever workingwith them. Austin Lewis?

PT: Yes

MH: Okay, um, and I do see George uh, Ben,Z--------- ?

PT: Yes he's a sergeant I remember

MH: He's a big guy isn't he?

PT: Um, he's muscular his not tall

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PT: He's hefty

MH: For some reason, and I haven't meet him in person, but for some reason I was

thinking

PT: No, no, no

MH: Six three (6'3)

PT: The sergeant your thinking of is another guy that I worked with that was a already a

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MH: And then ah, Jennifer Confferas?

PT: Yeah

MH: Okay um, and in regards to the Cotton Center do you recall ever leaving the job

before the end of shifts '

PT: Yeah

MH: Okay tell me what that was like

pT: Well um, basically when we started working the job ah and I'm not trying to(inaudible) here but ii was busy, and as the job went on the job got less busy so itbecame um, pretty common place for us to leave the job before we were suppose to.

MH: Um hm

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PT: We would, under the ah idea that we had to return he car at four hundred (400) todo some paper work and stuff, but to be honest with you we would leave you knowbefore the end of our shifts

MH: Sure and do you recall if that ever happened or you ever did that when George was

working with you?

PT: Yeah, I did

MH: Okay um, obviously it was a nuo (2) men in one (1) car if they left you left or if youleft they left. Does that sound correct?

PT: Right exactly

MH: Um, and when you um, would leave early was there any one advised that you guys

were leaving?: ... .

PT: No

MH: Okay um, lets see here there was one (1) situation um I wanted to check with you

and what you told me is consistent with what um'any have said some have not(inaudible)

PT: I don't know, yeah I donlt understand ttrat. :

MH: Yeah, um in regards to ,a shift that you would of Worked with Jennifer, um she

indicated that you guys had to leave early one (1) time because of a some kind of a childabuse investigation. Does that ring a bell with you at all?

PT: Child abuse investigation, the only thing I remember from her that night was we had

a call and there was a pit bull, and we walked up and I was like " oh crap" and she just

walked right up to the dog and started petting it, but a child abuse investigation?

MH: Well I'm, I'm just gonna be square with you she's indication that she thought youguys left early because there was a child abuse investigation that you wanted to work,and I cant find any recorded of it.

PT: No, I would never (inaudible) that required that.

MH: Yeah okay

PT: I mean I believe I was a sergeant at the time um, the entire time I think I worked it, Imean if you say I started December of o' five (05) to it was like a year?

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MH: Yea and this particular shift would have been like January o'six (06)

PT: Alright, so I was a sergeant at that time, so there is no reason why I would work inchild abuse investigation. Unless I had to go to court or something on an older ah, butthat doesn't really

MH: Yeah and I'll just tell you what I've got on what I found ah, the shift usually startedat sixteen hundred (1600) you guys didn't sign on the MDT until seventeen eleven(171.1) shifts should have ended at um, twenty four hundred (2400) um, ended attwenty three twenty nine (2339) and you guys should no activity um on that shift. Imean I'm guessing if it doesn't require you guys to pull any paper or anything.

PT: No, no we dealt with a bunch of people, but it wasn't any radio calls it was justcontacting ah folks in the town homes.

MH: Yeah right cause ah there's no DR'q, no PACE, no;number one (1) you know

PT: You know we did have a we - we had ah and I think it was with her, but there was abig o mess on€:night where there was a folks from the Katrina there was a family thatwas just place form Katrina and

MH: I know which family you're talking about they been all over the paper

PT: They have?

MH: Yeah, Yeah the as it turns out down the road if (inaudible) they were put there for awhile and there were some problem with them abusing the system if you will and

PT: Oh yeah

MH: Parents having, being passed out with drug issues.

PT: Yes you know and I think shi was working that night, so I guess we didn't pull anypaper on that call, but um, we responded there and I'm pretty sure that was with her,but as far as leaving only because of the child abuse investigation that I don't rememberany thing like that I mean I'll be honest with you we left early because we left early

MH: Sure

PT: There's no real reason for it

MH: Sure and you know from what I'm seeing um, you know the times that you mayhave left early I mean it appears there was nothing going on sort of speak I mean there's

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a couple of shifts with George where they may have been activity but it was early in thenight.

TP: Yeah

MH: So okay well I think I think that's all I need frqm you. Let me ask you this from yourknowledge of that particular job um, it was preqy common practice for officers whenthings were quite or, or when they worked with George for heavens sakes ah, they go------9- " -- - a----- " ----- ----J

ahead and leave early does that sound correct?

TP: Yeah

MH: Okay

TP: Yes it does

MH: And obviously every body got paid for the timp that they had checked off for

PT: Yeah, Yeah and as you know I'm sure that um I don't know if atl the people are beeninvestigated for but I was investigated by the Special (inaudible) Bureau for leavingearly.

MH: Okay . ',"

PT: So

MH: Well

PT: For leaving early

MH: Okay

PT: So, but that's been suspended.

MH: Yeah and um I knew there were some IA stuff going on um but as you know I wantnothing to do with that

PT: Yeah, exactly

MH: I want nothing to do with that and the answpr to your question is that it is correctthere about thirty people I had to look at and talk to

PT: Wow

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MH: Yeah you know when my chief handed it to I didn't smile

PT: No I bet not but Wow

MH: You know so ah but any ways alright ah let me just to make sure on the Circle K jobto your knowledge did you ever leave that job early?

PT: Yes

MH: Okay and tell me about that

PT: Ah I left I would, a couple of times I had to go to shifu right afterwards

MH: Umm hmm

PT: So I would leave like you up to an hour early and it was prefty dead cause I wouldalways take the late shifts I guess we would relief each other

MH: Umm hmm

PT: And I would work until like 6 in the morning or somettting like that or some thingalong those lines and I would leave ah about an hour early a couple of times

MH: Okay and um were the,Circle K people advised when you were leaving?

PT: Um, a couple of times yes and a couple of times no

MH: Okay um, but obviously that was worded byyourself um

PT: Right

MH: Okay I think that's all I need to bother you about you have any questions for me?

PT: Yeah can you tell me um, do you have the exact like the time frame that I workedand how many acrual times I worked there.

MH: Um yeah lets see I think I told you from December o' five ('05) to September o' six('06) and then let me count the lines

PT: Okay

MH: Just for a cheat deal um, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,eleven, twelve I show thirteen shifts at Cotton Center

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PT: So December o'five ('05)

MH: Right, right

PT: Thirteen shifts

MH: Right,

PT: And um

to September o'six ('06)

MH: And on the Circle K job it's on a bigger spread that's why I haven't printed it, it's onthe computer um, so and then the reality is um, that one is not much the concern to mebecause you know you're right there in front of the clerk and typically

PT: Yeah

MH: You know what's going on this one,is the one that is unfortunately the hotbed

PT: Sure

MH: Um

PT: And then ah you said our shifts were suppose to be sixteen hundred (1600) to

MH: Well --- they actually varied, they actually varied;

PT: Right

MH: Um

PT: (Inaudible) but it was like a six (6) hours shift or

MH: It was an eight (B) hour um Monday thru Thursday and a ten (10) hour Friday,Saturday and Sunday.

PT: Okay ten (10) hours on Saturday and Sunday I don't remember that

MH: Yeah, and I think most of shifts were eight (B) hour shifu

PT: Alright well that's just what I wanted to know

MH: Sure

PT: And make sure about that

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MH: Sure, sure not a problem you know you might be able to pull some records, maybeif you pull up records of your own um, then you'll have some recollection (inaudible)feel free to give me a holler.

PT: Oh I will I just look for I changed computers several times since then and I just don'thave any kind of record keeping from back then, and actually when I got diploid to Iraqah, my wife shredded a whole bunch of documents and I think so of the stuff from thatjob were in the shred file so.

MH: Sure you know what that reminds me since your talking about documents um, doyou remember if George ever um, issued you a ten ninety nine (1099) ah, for your work?

PT: No, I don't remember.

MH: Okay, um

PT: I honestly don't I don't think he did, but I'm really not sure.',. :

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MH: Okay that's cool cause I know he issued some to some people. My next question is(inaudible) if you don't recall because I was just curious if it seems like he was issuingthem for appropriate amounts um, and I have some people pulling record to still um,verify that cause I'm not sure that he (inaudible) completed correctly, so um

PT: You know and I honestly-.just dont '

MH: Sure that's not a problem that's the reason that we ask for um, peoples tax renlrnswe can compare

PT: Sure

MH: What he had in his records to what you guys had

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PT: Okay

MH: Alright cool if anything come up or you have any questions you got my number justfeel free to give me a call.

PT: Thanks a lot Meg.

MH: Okay have a good day.

PT: You too

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MH: Bye- bye

PT: Bye

STATE OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERATSPECTAL II{VESTIGATIONS SECTION

TRAIVSCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW

DATE \ /RIITEN BY AGENT: September 2,2O08

CA,SE NAIvIE: SW2008-003149

REPORT TY?E: Transcription of Interview

NUMBER: P002 2007-003090

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MH: Meg HincheyRC: Richard ChrismanRG: Ron Gibson

MH Okay, um, I guess I'll set it...uh...I guess I'11 set it there. I'm sure we'll be able tohere...um...and it's, what time are we...about one o'clock (1:00)...okay aboutthirteen hundred house (1300). And, uh, Special Agent Hinchey, and Gibson,you can call me Meg, and this is Ron. And you are Officer Richard Chrisman,correct?

Yes, maam.

Okay, thank you. And, um, what is your serial number for Phoenix PD, sir?

Seven-three-seven-on e (7 37 I) .

Okay, um, and what I need to visit with you about um, like I mentioned, is

some...uh...Phoenix Police Department off duty stuff. Um, from (inaudible) toGeorge Contreras, um, you know who Mister Conueras is?

Yes, maam.

Okay, how do you know Mister Contreras?

I worked with him, in the department.

Okay.

Um, I worked with him for a short stint when he was (inaudible).

Okay.

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Um, I did kind of a temporary assignment (inaudible). I worked out of the sameprecinct for eight (B) years, now.

MH Have you? Okay, is that at the four hundred (400)?

RC Uh hum.

MH ...South Mountain Precinct? Okay. And is that where you're assigned presently?

RC Yes.

MH Um, do you remember about when you started with Phoenix P.D.?

RC Um, my date of hire or date of rank?

MH Yeah, no kidding, ha?

RC Yeah, uh, the date of hire was November twenty-seventh (276) of mro-thousand(2000), date of rank was April fourth (4s) naro-thousand one (2001)

MH Gotcha, okay, where you a police officer somewhere else before?

RC No.

MH No? Okay.

RC (Inaudible) maybe seven-point-six (7.6) or seven-point-seven (7.7) years.

MH It all counts.

RC (Inaudible).

MH It all counts.

RC Um, I gotta question for you...

MH Sure.

RC ...if you don't mind?

MH Yeah.

RC Is this...I thought Professional Standards Bureau was handling this?

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MH They...um...will handle whatever internal that they're involved in. Um, and Ionly know that they're doing one, from their...um...any kind of...um...potentialcriminal acts...

RC Uh hum.

MH ...on Mister Contreras part, um, are turned over to us, because of conflict.

RC Okay.

MH Does that make sense?

RC Yes.

MH You know, because Phoenix P.D. really shouldn't investigate their own. Does thatmake sense?

RC No, it makes sense...

MH Yeah...yeah...

RC ...I just didn't, um, I wasn't sure if this was the criminal matter or uh, an internalinvestigation...

MH Sure.

RC ...Obviously, if you guys showed, it's (inaudible) criminal, so...

MH Yeah...yeah...we're not....we're not touching anything that the VA..J don't evenwant about rhel/A, so...um. So, okay, so you told me how you know, uh, GeorgeConfferas, have you heard of a company named Raptor Services?

RC Uh hum.

MH Okay, tell me what you know about that?

RC That was George's off duty company.

MH Okay, um, what did he use that for, do you know?

RC Um, usually checks were written to that company. And, then the checks from theoff duty service...

MH Uh hum.


RC ...were disseminated from there, to the officers.

MH Okay, so you actually, personally had received checks from Raptor Services?

RC Yes.

MH Were you ever paid directly by anyone, by any of the companies you did off dutywork for?

RC No I don't...I don't know...reallv remember. I know I received checks fromRaptor Services.

MH Sure.

RC But I don't remember if I ever got checks from actual companies.

MH Right, okaS and you may not remember some of this stuff, 'because I know, I'mdigging back a little ways. But as I'm sure you're aware, I've got a touch allbases...

Uh hum.

...asks all the questions, and go from there. Urn, do you rememberwhat...uh...off duty work you might have performed for...under the PhoenixPolice Deparnnent.

RC Um, did, I didn't do a whole lot of jobs for George, occasionally...

MH ...Uh hum.

RC Um, there was a real rare occasion, I'd do the Circle K Trucks...Truckstop...um...

MH Is that the one on Buckeve?

RC Yeah.

MH Okay.

RC Thirty-fifth (35'n) and Buckeye.

MH Okay.

RC And, then I did it, the um, festival downtown.

RC

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MH Is that...um...and I've been tryrng to figure...is that...is that Fiestas Patrias, does

that sound right?

RC I don't know the name.

MH Don't know the name, okay?

RC It...it...it...was a fiesta.

MH Okay.

RC Urr, and then I did another one, (inaudible) the um...I'm trytng to think(inaudible).

MH Oh um...were the A's, you know that question.

RG It's Oakland Stadium.

MH Oakland Stadium, it's a Phoenix Municipal.

RC (Inaudible).

MH Yeah. Um, do you recall, at all, and...uh...again this is a stretch. Um, but do yourecall about how much you got paid an hour for those jobs?

RC I don't know.

MH Don't recall, (inaudible)

RC Um, forty (40) maybe.

MH Forty (40) an hour?

RC Yeah.

MH Okay, did you ever get paid, uh, like uh double time for holidays or anything likethat?

No.

No? Okay, um, and these are the jobs that you think you'd worked of...whereGeorge was the coordinator, does that sound right?

Yes.

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Okay, I'm sor4r, you had a question?

yes, oh...um...did...with the double with regards to the double, I don't know if Iever got paid for double time, on that um...truck stop.

Okay...okay...and I'm just tryrng to see, you know, if he um...

(Inaudible)

Well, yeah...then there's that, and Andy Behart didn't remember. UrD, and I get

that, but you know, we're just trying to see, kind of get an idea as to he set up

some pay structure and sftff.

RC Uh hum.

MH Does that make sense? So, um, the work that you performed, while George

Contreras was coordinator, to your knowledge, were you paid for all hours that

- you had everworked, under George?

RC To my knowledge.

MH Okay.

RC Yeah...with the exception of, um, The Desert Sun,

MH Desert Sun? Oh, that's...that...uh hotel on Grand.

RC That was the hotel, and that job I actually worked quite a bit.

MH Uh hum.

RC And...and...I think for the first day I worked, then I got paid. And then there was

a...a period when we weren't getting paid. And, that went, we got, I got paid.

MH Uh hum.

RC And, to my knowledge it was the full amount, that I was owed.

MH Uh hum.

RC Um, and I actually had a calendar that I kept track off, all the days that I wasn'tgetting paid. Um, so (inaudible). That was after a law suit.

MH

RC

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MH That's what I heard, yeah, I think uh...I think...I think George himself told me,that you guys had to follow a law suit, to get them to pony up the mone% so...

RC Yeah.

MH But, otherwise to your knowledge, everything else you'd been paid for?

RC Yes.

MH Okay, I just heard...and heard that some officers, like toward the end of last yearespecially, had worked and they never got paid for'em. Had you heard anythingabout that?

RC Uh, I had heard that...that was actually the whole investigation. But, um, it wasnever an issue that I had.

Okay.

Um, at least, not that I recall.

Sure...sure...well, that's fair. Um, okay in uh, you said you worked at Circle K afew times, you remember roughly when that might have been, like what year,what month? Was it surnmer, winter, do you remember anything about it?

RC Ihateaclue.

MH Okay.

RC I think...um...I think I could probably found out...

MH Okay.

RC ...approximateyear.

MH Sure we'll get to that, no big deal. You got like maybe a calendar or something?

RC Well, no I know I was on the forty-one (41) Bravo squad.

MH Oh, okay.

RC Right around (inaudible) so who knows (inaudible).

MH Do you remember...um...ever working at the Cotton Center?

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I know I worked at it at least once, I think.

Uh hum.

Um, I don't know how many times I worked there. I wasn't sure if it this wascoming around to me or not.

Gotcha, now um...Cotton Center, and um, I mean you know the place. It's not anice place.

Uh hum.

My understanding is, um, that naro (2) officers worked at all times on that job.Does that sound correct?

Um, I do remember working it with Ben, and...

How do you say Ben's last name.

Solangsima.

Thank you, I see that name, and it just terrifies me every time I see it, thank you.

Um, what do...what do you want to know about?

RC Uh hum.

MH That would make sense, and, uh, with Patrol vehicle?

RC Uh hum.

MH Okay, um, yeah Cotton Center, there was some, um, seelns like there might havebeen some book keeping problems with...with over there, and so that one is onethat...um...you know that I'll talk to more specifically about. Looking at some ofthese others, trnng to see il you know, he did everything the way it was

supposed to happen. But, on that one there...there was some...some...concernsabout...um. You say, you remember working there, once. And, um, what do youremember, I mean, tell me what do you remember about working that...that job.

RC I don't know if it was only once, or if it was more than once.

MH Sure...sure.

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MH Well, I mean, like...like...tell me...tell me about the job. 'Cause like...like...youguys...um...you guys had the vehicle...

RC Uh hum.

MH So, how did that happen, did you guys...did you guys like meet at Cotton Center?Did you guys meet at the precinct? How did that a11...?

RC No, you'd meet at the precinct.

MH Uh hum.

RC Pick up the vehicle, pick up the log book.

MH Uh hum.

RC Um, load our equipment in the vehicle, and drive over.

MH Gotcha, okay. Did you guys, um, sound on MDTs? Did you go out on...on theair? Did you do any of that kind of stufff

RC Mmmm, sign on MDT's, 'cause we had to run vehicles on that, in the parking lot,and you know, check for stolen vehicles.

MH Sure.

RC Um and it was, just regular Police duties, only you were limited to the CottonCenter.

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Sure, so you.. .you treated it kind of like patrol, but for just that geographic area?

Yeah.

Yeah? Okay, and um, when you guys went on duty, do you recall at all, howmany hours a shift was for that location?

No.

No?

No.

Okay, um, alright, and then, um, then obviously you work your shift, you guyskept a log, you said?

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Okay, so on the log, what kind of stuff would you guys put on the log?

Just, uh notes, times if we're out, um, any activities that are conducted in the umF.I. carts, any reports that we took.

Okay.

Sus...suspicious activity, and the locations, things like that.

Sure, alright. Um, and then, but you didn't, 'cause I use to work for a differentagency, and we always had to check on the radio too. Did you guys do that, or,only when you were like running someone? 'Cause we always had to check on,when we went to an off duty job, and check off, just for officer safety, so theyknew where we were.

Yeah, that was a policy thing. I believe we had to (inaudible).

Okay, you just don't remember? I mean...

I'm pretty sure that we did have to.

Okay, um, so then you work your shift, you work in that area, and um, and I'vebeen on foot pursuits through there. It's nof a fun area, so...

RC Uh hum.

MH I don't envy you, they...they need to pay you more then they pay you guys.

RC I remember one specific foot procedure...

MH Yeah.

RC ...working that job.

MH Yeah, it's...it's not nice, they're not friends that for sure. But um, so you work ashift, you keep activity in the log, and then you, sign off the M.D.T. return back tothe precinct...

RC Uh hum.

MH ...sign off on the M.D.T...

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RC Yes.

MH ...you guys are done, go do your thing.

RC Yeah...yeah.

MH Okay, and that's...that's how it's pretry much been explained to me. Um, butagain I have to ask everybody the same thing, so.

Uh hum.

Um, if you guys had...you know if you had in...if you had any affest, tlm, wouldyou check ofl and let dispatch know, that you guys had, you know...youknow...you got someone in custody...?

RC Just status at the...at the precinct.

MH Uh hum.

RC And, then do our paper work or whatever...

MH Uh hum.

RC (Inaudible) paperwork, if we had somebody in custody, or if we just paperwork todo.

MH Sure and when you guys had someone, if you guys made an arrest, did you guysgo to the fourth (4s) Ave jail, typically, or where did you go, (inaudible) custody?

RC Um, yeah, have to go to the fourth (4s) Avenue jail.

MH Okay, well 'cause I know 1ike...1ike...um Tempe and Mesa, they have holdings,over, they don't necessarily transfer they take them to there, then someone a D.O.

takes them down.

Well, you could get a wagon, if (inaudible) shit, you can get another officerwagon (inaudible).

Can you? Okay.

Um, and then if you got an arrest in the middle of your shift, then you take 'emdovrrn there.

Sure.

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If it's the end of your shift, somebody else will do it.

Sure, okay.

Just gotta talk to 'em.

Right, you gotta keep 'em happy, noquick. Um, do you remember whatCenter? Okay.

I hear you. Alright, let me let you go realdays a week people worked at the Cotton

No I don't

Okay, I mean, now I know what...I know what some people have said, and um, itsounds like pretty much every night, someone was there, but um, there was a two(2) man job, you said, right?

Uh hum.

Um, when you, uh, went to the precinct, it was, um, is there any kind of log oranything you had to use, or how did...how did you know which vehicle to take,

and how did you indicate what you were taking?

That...there is a vehicle 1og.

Uh hum.

Um, that you have to sign the vehicle out in. And, uh, there is the off duty 1og,

were you have to um, have the desk gate, or who ever is working the desk, putyou into the off duty log, so it be your...your serial number, your location, yourjob number.

Uh hum.

Um, and your hours.

Okay.

So it's kind of the same thing, you tell the dispatch.

Sure, okay, um, and on that job, do you get paid through Raptor Services? Where

you paid by the Cotton Center, do you recall?

No, I think Raptor Services, but I don't know.

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MH Sure, sounds like most of the work you did, you were paid through RaptorServices. Does that sound right?

RC Um, the um, I think one (1) of the Fiestas I worked at, I got paid cash.

MH Uh hum.

RC And that was out at the uh...the stadium, it was cash.

MH Oh, the new stadium?

RC Yeah, that night.

MH Uh hum.

RC And the end of the nighg we got paid cash. But, I think that's the only one I gotcash for.

MH Sure, someone had told me that um, on a...on a Circle K job...

RC Uh hu.

MH ...that initially you got paid, like, by a money order or a cashiers check on thatnight?

Yes, actually yes, that's correct.

Okay.

Um, yeah, they would, I don't know if they changed that. I heard that theychanged how they were payrng. But when I worked the job, um, when youshowed up, like partway through the shift, they give you a money order...

Uh hum.

...you could cash that.

And then...and then at some juncture, George set it up to go through RaptorSemices, is what I was told, 'cause there were some ten ninety-nine (1099)problems, do you know anything about that?

No.

Okay, did Circle K issue you a ten ninety-nine (L099) or Raptor Services.

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RC Um, usually when I worked a job for George, I had to fill the ten ninety (1090)

out, ten ninety-nine (1099) out, and give it to him, um...

MH That's interesting, 'cause he's supposed to fill that out, and give it to you for yourtaxes, and then he's supposed to report it to the IRS, but he has you fill that out,then ten ninery-nine (1099)? Um...okay...okay. How does he knowwhen...when he was paylng his Raptor Services, how did he know what hoursyou worked?

RC The log.

MH By the log?

RC Yeah.

MH Okay, so every job you worked usually had a log?

RC Yeah, he would, well...with me anyhow, I mean if...if...George ever asked me fora job, like I said, it was a rare occasion.

Uh um.

And, I think it was just one time, when he offered me a job, and I took it. Then Igot offered a better paying one.

MH Of.

RC And I called him, and have somebody else filIit.

MH Yeah.

RC So he kind of quit offering me jobs, after that.

MH He seems like he gets kind of...kind of mad.

RC Uh, well...

MH Yeah.

RC Um, but, that's typically how he do it. I mean, if he called me for a job, he would,you know, "Hey you wanna work this?"

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And give me the date and time and location, the hours, and the...the regularpayments, so (inaudible).

Uh hum.

You know, if I said yes, then he'd schedule me in. And, um, sometimes he wouldforget, I think, to schedule me in, because the fiesta. The first fiesta I was

scheduled work, I was supposed to work the whole weekend, (inaudible).

Oh, gotcha...gotcha. So, um, so let's see he's calls you, and he say's "Hay'',um...and I'll just use Cotton Center, 'cause it's the biggest one, that um, that's

stuck in my head. Um, you know, you didn't work for him, eight (B) P.M. to four(4) A.M. on a Wednesday night. And you say 'Yes" or "No". And, if you said

"Yes," the way he'd know, that was actually use, 'cause maybe you had tO tradewith someone. But there was actually you that came into to work. Does he...hecheck the log and he'd know what hours you were there, of the 1og? Yeah?

Uh hum.

Okay, um...

Yeah, the...the book for the job, is what he would chech the log itself for thejobs. I think what he would check.

And, you say the book for the job. Were the books for the jobs kept at the jobsite,

or at the precinct?

Um, precinct, or passed off by another officer.

Okay, alright, what else? I think we're getting close (inaudible) um...

Um...

There was an indication that um, and um, George himself has told, you know.Everybody does it, 'cause like when you have a special day assignment, you know,you work four (4) hours, and it's slow, and you go home. Do you remember ever

leaving a shift before the end of one of his, um, on the books to be worked?

No, only if we had paperwork to do at the station.

Okay, so if you ever left early, it would be just to go to the station and finish yourpaperwork?

Yes.

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MH If you weren't on site? Okay, um, and...is it, now I've gotten a totally clearanswer. Is it correct that Phoenix P.D. on an off duty, you get paid four (4) hourminimum, or do you know?

RC I don't know.

MH Okay, that's the rate, you get sent under orders, (inaudible) that hasn't been moreclear...um...is there any other reason you might have left a site, before the end ofthe shift, that you can think of?

RC No.

MH Um, would you have any reason that George would bill for hours beyond whatsomeone worked, like you know, let's say I'm George, and so I'm gonna billCotton Center. I know that you're scheduled for eight (8) hours, but I'm gorlnabill for ten (10) hours, 'cause that put's some little extra money in my account.Do you know anything about any kind of that, that kind of stuffl

No.

Never heard of anything like that?

No.

Okay, um, Ron you have any questions?

No.

Alright, let me just (inaudible) here real quick. Oh I did have some notes in hereabout Cotton Center. Do you remember working there with Shawn Drenth?

No.

RC Yes.

Okay.

I think Chris was the one I worked with in (inaudible).

Gotcha, alright, okay.

I might of...it...it...might have been Ben. I...I...don't remember.

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Well Ben, I had...I had Ben there too. I just can't say his last name.

(Overlapping) OkaR I do know I worked it with Chris...

Uh hum.

...on at least one occasion and Ben on one occasion.

Okay.

Shawn, I don't think so.

Okay, you know who Shavrn is?

Yeah.

Okay, um, (inaudible) um, I've got actually a spread sheet that was put togetherabout, um, about that job in particular. And, um, looks like maybe one of the firsttimes that...that they've got documented, that you worked, that was December ofoh-five ('05)? Does that ring any bells with you? Okay.

(Overlapping) No.

Maybe the last time was August of oh-six ('06). I mean, again, we're talking a

long time ago.

How many times total?

Oh, let's see one-two-three -four-five-six-seven-eigh t {L,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) .

Really?

Yeah, like three (3) days in a row, in December, like right after Chrisunas. Doyou ever remember doing that, right after Christmas, getting like all three (3) ofyour days off, there? I'm saying days off, 'cause you guys can...you guys canwork off duty on a shift day too though, right?

Um, as...as long it doesn't over lap your shift.

Right.

And as long as it doesn't get to a point were it's affecting your normal duties.

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MH Yeah, oh I'm sorry, I was looking at the wrong one. Um, it's eight (8), butnot...not those dates, my apologies.

RC

It's eight (B) days total?

Yeah, eight (8) different shifu.

Uh, it's been a long time. But I don't know that I ever worked that many days

there.

(Overlapping) Sure. Yeah, I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you what I worked,back then (inaudible) that's for sure, so, um, alright. I think that's it. Um, yeah itlook likes it was, should have been totaled about seventy-six (76) hours. Let me

ask you this, um, again, and I'm just trying figure out this book keeping stuff. Doyou recall ever getting for hours that you not actually on site? 'Cause like Billwould do the inv...or Bill...George would do the...the invoices, trf,. Do youremember ever getting paid that you wouldn't have been on site?

No.

Okay, alright. Alright, can you think of anything, trD, I mean, you know, I know,stuff gets around. And, I know a lot of people know, that, if something was goingon with George, um...

(Overlapping) Yeah.

...Can you think of anything else that you can think of that I might want to know,or need to know, in regards to, him performing his duties as an off duty...off dutycoordinator, or...?

Like I said, I never...I never had any issues. I heard there were guys that weren'tgetting paid.

Uh hum.

That Desert Sun was the only job that I ever didn't get paid from.

MH Uh hum.

And, there was a lawsuit that resulted, um, that was a result of that. And, uh,eventually out of the lawsuit, I got paid.

Okay.

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RC So, um.

MH But you heard some other guys weren't getting paid?

RC Well that's what heard the investigation was about.

MH Okay, did...did anyone ever talk to you about that? Did they ever tell youdirectly, "Hey dude, I didn't get paid," or "He wrote me a chech and it bounced,"or anything like that?

Uh um.

Okay, um, you mentioned that you may have um, some kind of records. Um, I dohave a subpoena for anything, any records that you can find, in that regard?There's a listing ol I think on rhe second (2'd) or third (3'd) (inaudible).

RC (Overlapping) (Inaudible)

MH It',ll list there.

RC What year?

MH When, and it tells you. From December one (1) of tvuo-thousand five (2005) toDecember thirty-one (3L) of two-thousand seven (2OO7).

RC Right.

MH And, it tells you, really kind of what we're looking for.

RC Okay.

MH Okay, um.

RC Wait minute, with...with regards to records you wanted to know about what yearI...I worked the...uh...Circle K uuck stop, and I said it was on Forty-one (41")

Rambo.

Uh hum.

And I think in my career enhancement packet...

Uh hum.

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....uD, I have the date, or I have a...uh...ffansfer history, that I just recently hadprinted out.

Sure.

So, that would give me the date I was supposed to work, that I was on, Forty-one(41) Rambo, as far (inaudible) that I have anything.

Okay, 'cause they should issue a ten ninety-nine (1099), because you receivedpay, and you were technically a contract employee. So, there should be some

kind of ten ninety-nine (1099) records. Um, something of that nature, maybe youkept copies of pay stubs or something, or kept copies...I mean anything that youcan find, that's along these lines. And, again it's from December one (1) oh-five('05) to December thirty-one (31) oh-seven ('07).

Okay.

Um, anything of that nature, and if you have any questions, just uh, you knowgive me a call. Um, yeah, my numbe/s also on the subpoena.

Okay.

So, um, do you have any questions of us, right now?

I don't think so. Am I a suspect of anything?

Um, not that I'm aware of right now, my primary focus is on George.

Okay.

Um, you know, I've got uh...I've got to interview a lot of officers, because...youknow again I'm still tryrng to figure all this out.

Okay.

You know, ke...and...and...you've...I mean you've talked to people before, whensomebody's done something wrong, one of the first things they want to do is startpointing the finger elsewhere.

Uh hum.

So, we're just uying to kind of get everything ordered, figure out really what'swhat.

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MH Okay?

RC Uh hum.

MH And we're at what, thirteen thirry hours (1330)? So, I'm gonna turn this off.


SPECIAL II{VESTIGATIONS SECTIONTRAI ISCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW

DATEWRITTEN: February 25,2OOg NUMBER: P002 2007-003090

CASE NAIvIE: SW2008-0O3L49

REPORT T'llPE: Transcription of Interview-Shawn Drenth



Persons on Reqording ,

KK Kathleen KempleySD Shawn DrenthRG Ron Gibson

,. .:.:'. 'r i :.. ,i : ' ,; ' 'KK Today's'date is Augusl Tlventy-sixth'tQO") TwQ-thQusand eight"(2008).

"ppto*i-"tely two twenty-eight (2:28) P.M. Its Kathle"lgPiglglg

EiUsott approaching the t"tid.tt.. of Shawn Drenth at IHi, can we speak with'Shawn Drenth?

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Hi, I'm Kathlepn Keppley with the Attornell'Generals Office, and this is Ron

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Hello. :'

Do you have about ten (L0) or fifteen (15) minutes we talk to you?

Yeah.

Um, we're gonna talk to you about some off duty work that you did for Raptor

Services.

Okay.

How long have you been with Phoenix Police Departrnent?

This is my tenth (10*) year.

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KK So you started in Nineteen ninety-eight (1998)?

SD Yes.

KK And do you know George Contreras?

SD Yes.

KK And how do you know him?

SD I meet him through the department..t, .: 'i:..i:! . r. ..j .

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SD Uh, I've been friends with him for a while.

KK And, did you, outside of Raptor Seryices was n".,"*t tont"OU duty work

coordinator?

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SD Fortieth (40*) Street and Broadway, I think last I heard they were Cotton Center

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Town homes.

Okay. And were you.already working at the tow[homes before Contreras got

those jobs for you, or did he arrange those for you?

No, I mean I was in the squad area I was assigned to work.

Okay.

During my regular shift, so I was familiar wi*r it. But, he...uh...coordinated thatjob I think...I think he starred it, or he was the first one to get the...his hands on

the coordinator job.

KK And is that the first, um, job that you took while he, with him as *re off duty

coordinator?

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SD I don't know.

KK Okay.

SD He was the first, uh, serious one.

KK Okay.

SD Where I'd work. I mean he coordinated several jobs I recall.:

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fi:uck stop job that I, uh, worked with. ' ,l' , , '

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full of dmes, but um. I don't know if that was before or after.

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SD I think it was in the midst of.

KK Did he approach you abou.1.job5,'or did you here about ry* through the grapevine

and ask:him to set up, or do you recall? I know it was a long time ago.

sD r don't know, you're talking about two (2), three (3) y.*: u:o, t don't t::.*b.t.,

KK Um, let's talk about the town horiies first. 'Did he- schedule those and call you and

say, "Hey, I have a shift.'? Or was it the regular shift. '

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I recall correctly.

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Okay.

There's nobody set to work on specific day. But we kind of coordinated around

our days off.

Okay.

It was kind of a core group of people that, uh, were the primary people that

worked, I think.

KK And what were the typical lengths of the shifu? Were they four (4) hour shifts,

ten (10) hours shifu?

SD I think they...I think they were either eight (8) or ten (10). Again you're talking a

while ago.

KK Right.

SD But I know it was pretfy much close to a fuIl day.

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SD So it was either eighl (8) or ten (10). I just don't remember.

KK And how did you get paid.for,"thos0 jobs;'the town homes? Let's just talk about

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call in and say you're Soing on shift? ' ,:' ,,r'' ', '

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SD I mean...I don't think w.e called,anybody, , Wc had'to sign in o1 an off duty, uh,

each precinct has an off'dutyjob roster. Uh we had to log in with that.'ttt

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KK Okay. And did you, for the town home job did you use...check out a patrol car?

SD Yes.

KK And you were in full inform?

SD Yes.

KK And did you work with somebody at those, or were you working solo?

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SD No there was...it was always a two (2) person job.

KK Was there somebody regular that you worked with?

SD It kind of varied.

KK Okay.

SD I worked with George sometimes, I work€d with several other people. Um, a

couple, well my umjsquad I waq- assigqed to, because we all had the same days

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SD Yeah, as far as I remember.

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anybody. Do you know anybody who wants to work?"

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SD So, for me to say yeah he always assigned, wouldn't be a hundred percent (1000/0)

accurate.

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SD But the majority of the time, um, he...there was...there was a rough scheduling.

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But nobody, we never worked with exact same person every time.

And, um, for the shifu, did you always work the schedule shift or did sometimes

George say, "Hey, take off early."?

No, it was...it was always a full...fuIl deal.

Okay.

I mean I know th"i". ir, :'there's in...there's an internal investigation too.

And I know a lot of the allegations there, have to do with leaving early. But we,

nobody I worked, we...w€ never left early. l

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Right, but there's also a lot oi leeway as far as exact time the shift started.

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P.M. or you have to start at four (4:00) P.M. There was a lot of leeway. Because

it was my understanding what the management company was, to kind of keep, uh

the negative element that was in there, on their toes. So, they...that they

wouldnttknow exactlV.wher-r b,we1e So*3 be there. , ' ' -,

But vou were there for'the'same ,ru*Uur of .hours whether you started at nine(9:Oil), ten (10:00);'eleven'(1"1:0b), or twelve (12:00), you stayed there for eight(8) or ten (10) hours?

"'(Overlapping) Eight (B) or ten (L0) hours, yeah'

Okay. :

yeah, I mean we didn't leave, right, I know that's a big focus of the internal

investigation. But know we didn't leave early.

Okay. Um, the Circle K job, you said you worked that a handful of times?

Yeah, a couple of times.

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And was that something George called you and said, "Hey I need somebody over

at the Circle K."...or?

I think with that job, and...and again I don't I'm not one-hundred percent

(100o/o). But with that job for the ma...majority of it there were people that were

sss...that worked it continuously.

Okay.

You had a much more continual basis of the same people working.

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uh, South Mountain Precinct,' nad the job, and, he had, uh, the same niSh!every week. And I know I corered.ft fgr,F*

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remember getting a Circle K would'pay us. And, then the last, and again I've onlyworked a handful of times I remember"getting, uh, Circle K would pay us. Andthen the last, and again I've only worked'a handful of times I can remember. But

in the beginning Circle K would pay us, and then at the end we'd get a, the latterpart, of times I worked, we got a check.

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I think it was from Raptor Services.

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I haven't even worked off duty in a while. So, there was um, it was like a once a

year kind of festival type thing that occurred at a park, at a.

Is it a fiesta.

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ago, seven (7) years ago? , .' ,

I don't know when he started, the actual Raptor Services.

But when do you remember first working for them?

I don't even remember. I just don't know when he started it.

Okay.

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\,Vhen were you working the town home job, about?

I think that was early mid oh-six ('06).

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I have no idea who coordinated, I just don't remember. I could have been Georgeit might not have been.

Do you ever recall being paid more for a shift for more hours then you worked?

No.

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No, and as far as.

And is that something you nonnally checked if you got?

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Well we had to, uh, we did the hand written logs.

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you don't have them, please put in writing, "Hey youasked for A, B, c, and,Ijust don'i have those." And'we're not asking yon to createlogs, we're not asking you to go through stuff.

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Yeah, I don't even know how to get, uh.

If you don't have 'em in your possession we're not asking you to get them.

I...I wouldn't even know how to get, uh, text messages.

so, if you just um, tell her, you just need to put it in writing, "I don't have any ofthis stuff," or "I have this...this...this attached but I don't have anything else."

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KK okay? But we're not asking you to go get anything, to create anything.

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STATE OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF THE A1TORNEY GENERALSPECI,AI II\NESTIGATIONS SECTION


DATE WRITTEN: February 3,2009

CASE NAIvIE: SW2008-0031,49

NLJMBER: P002 2007-003090

REPORT TY?E: Transcription of Interview-Anthony Schiaveto



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JS this is:iim Schwegel,.gnd Dave Baize,' It is Monday August hrrrenty-five, two;thousand eight (08-25-2008) at four forty-seven (4:47) in the afternoon. Andwe're gonna be goin! to, the resident of Anthony Schiaveto. And advice him wewant to cond.uct an interview. Hi there. ' '

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JS Hi, Jim Schwegel, I'm a police officer investigator with the Attorney General's

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JS Well I'm doing preffy good. This is, uh, Dave Baize.

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He's also a police officer, investigator with the Attorney General's Office. We

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Okay, is there a place we can talk in...in confidence in your...in your home?

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And, you are culrently an employee with the city of Phoenix as acorrect?

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When did you start with them?

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Uh, ninety-four ('94).

And, do you know George Contreras?I do.

And how do you know George?

Through work.


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And what do you tro* about Raptor Services?

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Okay, could you list.gfre off duty joUs that you have worked, u, say from uhDecember tWo-thousand five '(2005) through December ,nnro;thousand seven

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Okay, uh I know I worked uh, one shift at the town homes.

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And I use to fill in at a parking lot job.

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Um, it was just, uh, off duty security at a parking lot, Seventy-Two Twenty-Seven(7227) South Central.

Okay, um were there any jobs where you worked with a partner at all?

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Which jobs were those?

Um, with um, when I was, when I worked the job for George I worked with, uh,

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Okay, the...the way I have the townhomes, that we.,.they were called Cotton

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The townhome thing I only..worked once. And I'm not sure hoW much that one

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have you work for other coordinators.'at Phoenix as well?

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Did I work for other coordinators? Is that the question?

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JS And the rate of pay for these is forty ($+01 to fortry-five ($+s; dollars an our?

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JS Is it all straight time, or is there a different rate for holidays?

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JS And the, um, parking lot just a one (1) officer job?

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JS Okay, do you both jobs require a marked police car,,on site?

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knew you weie gonna be working a shift. How would...how would that begin,

where...where you start at?

AS Uh, well, we'd meet at the precinct Four-hundred (400) West Southern.

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the apartrnents.

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JS Ok"y, and how often were you paid for that job?

And you sign on and go to work.

Now is there also a...a notebook for that, but specific, or is that the log book

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Okay, and how v/ere you paid for that particular job? This...this...is referring to

you're referring to?

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though. I think...uh...um...Steve may have had the log book.

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JS Okay, and so...so by log'book, we're talking about the same thing. That's wereyou marked on, "Hey we stopped two, (2).. .Mo (Z) juv;mles who where...?"

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that, I just remember getting paid for it. I don't remember how long it took.

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Um, not that I recall no sir.

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No.

Okay, that's all the questions I have. Uh, Oave do you have anything?

I don't think so...uh um.

We have a subpoena to give you, um, for records. And the process by whichGrand Jury Subpoena's are served is we show the original.

Okay.

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JS And give you a copy. And on the copy, um, it has n'no (2) ways to comply' One is

by appearing ar ittl Cratra Jury and bringing the records that are listed on the

aitaChed sheet. And the other way, um, is to communicate with the case agent

and her name is on the front of the...of the subpoena with her phone number.

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JS The time is, uh, five-oh-nro (5:02).

End of recording.

STATE OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF THE A]TORNEY GENERALSPECIAL II{\TESTIGATIONS SECTION

TRAI{SCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW

DATE WRITTEN BY AGENT: September 5, 2008

CA,SE NAIIE: SW200B-003I49

REPORT TY?E: TRANSCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW

NUMBER: AGI P002 2007-003090

AGENT: M. Hinchev SUPERVISOR: A. Rubalcava PAGE 1 OF 21 PAGE(S)


MH: Meg HincheyWB: William BehmRG: Ron Gibson

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Um, and I'll just set it there, hoping I'11 pick everything up. Um...what time is it,about fourteen (1400) fifteen (1500) hours? UrD, alright, standard list ofquestions. Um, and again, uh, I'm Meg Hinchey with the AG's office, this is RonGibson, and just for the record please state your name, sir.

Uh, William Behm.

It's pronounced Behm? I apologize.

Behm, yeah.

And it's B-E-A-H-M, is that right?

Yes.

Okay, and um, it's correct that you're employed by the City of Phoenix PoliceDepartment?

Yes.

Okay, and um, what is your cuffent assignment with them?

I work for the Night Enforcement Unit with the Phoenix Police Deparunent.

Gotcha.

I'm a Detective with Night Enforcement Unit.

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MH Okay, okay, and what...uh...what was your start with Phoenix PD.

WB Twelve (12) twenty-seven (27) or twenty-nine (29) of oh-three ('03).

MH Okay, and um...

WB Not oh-three ('03) ninety-three ('93).

MH Ninery-three ('93), okay, um, and during that time frame, uh, you came to meetsomeone named George Contreras, does that sound correct?

WB Yes.

MH Okay, and can you tell me how you know George?

WB I worked with him in South Mountain Precinct.

MH Okay, about how long did you with him there, do you remember?

WB Um, he was there when I got there. So, it was, uh, I would say (inaudible) left fora little bit to go be a detective then back. So, there about's uh, thirteen-and-halfyears (L3V2) or thirteen (13) years.

MH Okay, um, have you heard of company named Raptor Services?

WB Yes.

MH Okay, how do you know Raptor Services? What do you know about Raptor?

WB Uh...I guess they would coordinate the off duty that we use to work with.

MH Um, who do you know of, that owns Raptor Services?

WB George Confferas.

MH Okay.

WB He's the only one that I know of, I don't know anything more about it, really.

MH Sure, okay, alright. Um, and uh, in your employment with Phoenix PoliceDepartment, did you ever work any off duty jobs while George Contreras was thecoordinator?

WB Yes. I did.

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MH And, do you recall the names of any of those jobs? Where...what the client...whothe client was?

WB Uh, there was probably only two (2) um, one's the town homes, I don't knowwhat it's called. Um, probably Vista something or Vias...Vias East. (Inaudible)the town homes on Forty-eight 1+Sd; and Broadway.

MH (Overlapping) You know what. Okay, Cotton Center? Does that sound right?

WB That there probably names three (3) or four (4) in Phoenix over there, the lastthirteen-and-a-half (l3Yz) years. . .

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WB ...Fourteen (14) years, but yeah, Cotton Center, Via's Eas! or any of those wouldprobably be correct.

MH Okay and you said there was another one?

WB Yeah, I would say, I would call them, Grant Park...Grant Apartrnents.

MH (Overlapping) All of the...uh...aparffnenrs, okay...okay.

WB And I can't, I'd say I would. I don't work that much off duty.

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WB Um, those would be it.

MH Sure, um, do you remember the rough time frames you might have done either ofthose jobs, during work?

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MH I know, I'm asking this (inaudible), if you don't recall it, I can see.

WB Um, it was, well some of it would have been last year. It would have been GrantPark. Um, probably from, so where are we at, we're in oh-eight C08). So itwould have probably been January of oh-seven ('07)...no...January of oh-seven('07) through October maybe...maybe I'm mixed up, or (inaudible)...

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WB ...and then before that, the year before fhat, so that might have been oh-six ('06)they worked town homes.

MH Okay.

WB ...In oh-six ('06), for the majority of that year.

MH Okay, do you remember, um, by chance how much each of those jobs paid perhour?

WB One was, I think one was forty-five (45) and I think the other was fifty (50). Ithink the town home's was...uh...forty-five (45), and Grant Park was fifiy (50).

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WB Not a hundred percent sure, but I think thads probably it.

MH (Overlapping) Sure, um...um...in working those jobs, how is you got paid? Didyou paid directly to a client, or did you get paid some other means?

WB Um, I think with the town homes, we got paid, uh part of it directly from them,and then I think we got all of it paid from them.

MH They cut you a check directly then?

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WB Um, and then Grant Park, I think I was getting paid through uh...George Raptors.

MH Through Raptor? Okay, and that's...that's what it...it looked like to me. Um, andin working those two (2) jobs to your knowledge, did you get paid for all theshifts you had worked?

WB I got paid for everything I worked, yes.

MH Okay, did you ever have a problem with getting paid on time?

WB Um, well the townhomes we got paid ahead of time, so I didn't have anyproblems there. And, I preffy much...

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No, never had, oh know I...I definitely had a check bounce.

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Um, I think my last, it would have been last year, one check, I think l...it came acouple weeks late, but...I'm

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I...I...heard stories that there may have been a couple that didn't get paid.

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Uh, I don't know any specifically. But I'm trying to think who, I knew a lot ofguys that worked there, but I don't know any specifically.

Okay, you just don't remember anything specific? So obviously that's somethingthat you know has been brought up...um...

I...I...definitely would know if I didn't get paid, that's for sure.

Well, and that's what I figured, that why I gotta ask each person, so...

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Um, (inaudible) um, okay let's see here. You gonna help me? In regards tothe...the town homes um, do you remember what the, roughly, what the hourswere or the days of the week were for that off duty work?

Um, I thought they had seven day a week coverage. Um, I...my normal workweek was Monday through Thursday. So, the only times that I would haveworked, it would have been Friday's and Saturday's. I'd be busy on Sundays.

Sure, okay.

So, I thought it was seven (7) day a week coverage, part of it was eight (B) hours,and then like weekends were like ten (L0) hours.

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No, I...I don't think I worked any holidays unless, you know. Or it might havebeen holiday, but I don't, I don't, I can't think of anything specific.

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And, I know I didn't get double time for anything, 'cause I would have...

Okay, sure, okay. UrL my understanding is, that uh, um, the Cotton Center, thetown homes, was a two (2) person job, does that sound correct?

Yeah, it was my understanding.

Okay, so when you worked that, you worked it with typically with anotherofficer?

Yes.

Okay, and then a marked pauol vehicle was used for that job?

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WB I would...I would assume yes. But um, but I know, I mean the coordinatorsupposed to handle that, but...

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WB I think what we used to do, is there's a book and you would check the car out,write it in the book, and then, your mileage to the job, which is five (5) or six (6)miles at the most.

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Probably not even five (5) miles. And then, you parked at the end of shift, that'sit. Um, so I don't know how they...I don't know any...any of that business endworks of it. I've only worked lve never coordinated or any of that.

Sure...sure...and that's fair. I'm just urying to see if anybody else know what, uh,should have been done.

Yeah...I...

Yeah, um, so okuy, um, sounds like you guys responded to the precinct, you thengo directly to the site, go to the precinct and get the car?

Yeah, go to the precinct get the car, or dress up, get the car, and then head over.

Okay, and then you're on site until the end of the shift, when you rerurn the car?

Well, depends upon if there's like if you got to take somebody to jail...

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...or things like that, but for the most part we'd spend the whole, if we hadreports we'd go back to reports, or any impounding, &oy of that stuff.

Sure.

But for the most part, we'd finish up there.

Okay, and that's one of the things that's been a little confusing to me. 'Cause um,you know there was a complaint that came to a client, Cotton Center, or themanagement company, whomever. And they were saylng that um, they provide aplace to write reports, but officers weren't writing reports there. Do youremember there being a location on site to write reports?

There's an office in there.

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But, it's kind of hard to sometimes, some people type their reports, some write'em, uh, some just call 'em in. But if you have impounding and stuff like that,then you're kind of doing work here, then you're doing work, it's just easier just todo it all in one spot, and get it done, so one officer can do all the impounding theother one call the DR in real quick.

Sure, and that make's sense, I mean if that's what (inaudible) impound, and thenthat way which that you see, impounded, and so on and so forth.

And, you know, I'd been in that office too, where we didn't spend much time inthat office. It's just not a safety stand point, it's not a...I would...I wouldn't domy paperwork there very often if I had a chance, just 'cause (inaudible) ...

Sure.

...it's not safe.

Yeah, I've actually been in the complex, so I understand.

I've worked on there a long time, fve...

Did you?

I made a lot of friends, so...

Yeah, there...the...most of the people don't think of us as friends, that's for sure,most of 'em. Um, did you um, when you worked that job, do you remember ifyou guys would sign on an M.D.T. or sign on the radio with dispatch, or anythingof that nature?

Well, there's a uh...cad terminal...you'd put yourself in the cad terminal. And,that would just end actually, then you'd sign on your M.D.T. and then uh, I don'tknow if back then we had, well (inaudible), 'cause you sign on M.D.T., I don'tthink back then, we used to have to clear and say we were working, but, or call'em. I'm not sure how that, if we did or not. But, once M.D.T. signed on, theyjust know your where your status is.

Okay, and the CAD Terminal is located?

At the station.

At the precinct, okay. Um, on that job you said you got paid ahead of time. Likedid you get paid at the beginning of the week, beginning of the day, beginning ofthe month?

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I think sometimes a week in advance.

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Uh, it like the if you were working Friday, you get paid some...like Monday orTuesday or Wednesday of that week, and then you'd work your job.

Okay, 'cause I mean that...that seems like it would be easy to do. Because theyknow, you know, like...like you said on Friday or Saturday and Sunday.

Well, he was doing his...it seemed liked he was doing his schedule a month inadvance, and my...my squad at the time was we were prefty much taking Friday'sand Saturdat's so, we would mix it up amongst the squad, half our schedule, andlet him know ahead of time, so we would...

Okay, and so he would provide the Cotton Center with the invoice, does thatsound right, or they just knew, or the names, or...?

That's...that's what I would guess.

Okay.

That I've...

You guyi didn't have to submit anything directly to them?

No.

Okay.

Didn't have anything except working there.

Right, okay. Um, and I was told that there was...uh...a log book, um, for thatjob. Is that kept on site at the precinct, do you remember?

It was, well, that we kept at the precinct? I remember there being a log becausewe put our...our notes in there for that...the shift, like, kind of like what we didthe whole shift, arrests, tickets, contacts, any problems. But I don't remember ifwe picked it up at the station or if we picked it up at the office. I think we had itat the station, um,.is my guess. 'Cause I don't...I don't know why we put it in theoffice,'cause some people didn't go to the office so...

Sure, that job obviously you were in uniform, when you worked that job. Itwasn't a plain closed job.

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It's okay, I mean unless you have a preference. Um, in regards to that job, onthe...on the log sheets...um...one of the guys I talked to said that, like, the checkin time, or the...the start time and end time of the shift was written on the logsheet. Do you remember if that was the case, or were, or was it just pretty muchby M.D.T.?

No, it should have been...there should have been something on there, we put astart and end time on there. Um, I mean just I can't even remember what it lookslike, but, because you're gonna have both officet's serial's number's out there.And then I think you got the date and the start and end time. And, then therewas like um, if there was like a call in for alrests, call in for like tickets, DRs,things like that, contacts.

Alright.

And then you would hand write like, uh, things you did during the day.

Right, um, what...what would be a reason that um, you know, 'cause like...whatI'm trying to figure, is um, you know George says he was on site, like all of thehours of his shift. But I'm having a hard time showing he was on site all of thehours of the shift. 'What would be a reason that someone would leave the site?Um, I mean obviously I know, like an arrest, to take someone over to the jail.

Arrest, take to jail or...

(Overlapping) And then you said report writing.

...um food, um I mean, it's a ten (10) hour shift, there's...if there not reallydesignated, you know, you're not guaranteed a meal time. But we would takea...a meal break in there.

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Right there, it was a slow night...um...uh...

Would there be any reason for someone to...to...um...see 'cause it...it...youknow...it looks like maybe there are times, like maybe he was supposed to bethere ten (10) hours, and he was only there like five (5) hours, um, and thenactually (inaudible) the car back in maybe? I mean does that make any sense toyou. Do you know of officers leaving the shift early?

I don't know of anybody leaving the shift early.

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Um, I thought, and I worked for with usually with the same two (2) or three (3)people.

Did you?

Um, you know each month, 'cause we would (inaudible) Friday and Saturday's. Imean il my only guess would is if, they only show five (5) hours, and the carshould be turned in after five (5) hours. But, I mean we would be there forour...our shift, and I'd say I don't...I didn't talk to too head of people about it, Iguess.

Yeah, u1n, do you remember who you might of worked with when you workedthere?

Oh geeze...maybe...yeah.

I think, I mean I think I've got. I think I made some notes in here somewhere.

Uh, I could probably say, Lansky, Detook, Dave Montoya.

He's just started (inaudible) isn't he?

They both are.

The...oh Detook is as well?

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MH Gotcha.

WB And um...

MH Do you remember working? I mean I'll just tell you who I've got.

WB (Inaudible) the list, I'll say')at'' or "nat''.

MH (Overlapping) Yeah...yeah...exactly. Um, just make it easier, James Art?

WB Um, I don't know if...if it was, it wasn't many, 'cause he moved from (inaudible).I...I...don't think I worked with him...

MH Okay.

WB ...at all, but uh, I don't think I did.

MH Sure, Shawn Drenth?

WB Shawn I did, yeah.

MH Okay, Chris Erich, is l-Rich or Erich?

WB Chris Erich, yeah..

MH Okay, and Ben?

WB (Overlapping) I might have worked with him, yeah, 'cause we were all in thesame squad...

MH Oh okay.

WB ...all these guys were all in the same squad together.

MH And I'm not gonna say Ben's last name.

WB Farfenugen.

MH Thank you, something like that.

WB .schwarzen, Schwar tz,1...I can't pronounce it either.

MH Something Simon.

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Um, I might have worked with him, once. No I don't thinlq I might have workedwith him once, I'm not sure.

Okay, and then uh the other one that I had, it looked like it was possibility it wasLenard Diaz?

WB Yeah, I probably worked with him once, I would thin( yeah.

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MH Do you need to get that? Okay...Okay...um...

WB (Inaudible) Did you get your homework done?

MH Such is the life of a parent. Um, I'm sorrlr I did, I have on", u copy of one yourlicense...so this...I did have one in here...um.

WB There should be a bunch of 'em. I mean we were doing three-hundred sixty-five(365) day coverage of.

MH Yeah, um, this one where you worked with Shawn it looks like. Like on Aprilseventh (7d) of oh-six ('06), not like you remember the date. Um, but again...

WB lt's been a couple years.

MH Yeah, you know, it was fifteen forty-five (1545) to oh-one forry-five (0145) hours.Um, it looks likes you guys just kind of document, and like who you interrogated,arrest, and all this.

WB Can I take a look at that?

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WB I'd say that's probably Shavrn's writing, like that kind of, my handwriting's just asbad as his.

MH I tell you this, um, I've seen a couple of them from a George, and he's got verydistinct handvwiting.

Yeah, I think this is actually my writing so, (inaudible).

Okay and your, your serial number is five-seven-eight-four (5754) right?

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Just to make sure, um, secure, let me just look and see if lve got anything in here,that I'm going to ask you about. Ron do you have...do you have anyquestions...no. Um, do you remember what your nofinal...your nonnal shift wasMonday to Thursday you said?

My normal shift?

At the time.

Is...itwould be three (3:00) to one (1:00) ortwo (2:00) to midnight (12:00) or Ithink back then it was three (3:00) to one (1:00) and then it moved to...it couldhave been like two-thirty (2:30) ro...rwo-thirry (2:30) to twelve-thirry (12:30) ortwo (2) to midnight (12:00) would have been the only possible combination.'Cause I worked the same schedule for eleven years.

Did you? Okay and that was out of the South Mountain precinc! right?

Forry-three (43) Franks, probably Saturday Sundays only.

Okay.

Training spot.

Um, I was just looking to see if I saw any holidays that I could jog your memoryabout, but I don't seen any holidays.

I'm pretty sure, I mean, unless a holiday fell on a Friday or a Saturday. But if itwas Christrnas or something like, I would be with these Buys, so I mean. And,like Labor Day and that type of stuff, I be, you know, I'd be out of town, so...

Sure, sure...

Maybe around Thanksgiving, but the holiday, I wouldn't have been working theholiday's so.

Okay, is there anything that you can think that you know, in regards to um, welllet me back up. You said you'd also worked Grant Park Apartments, right?

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I don'f think we ever got a check directly from them, 'cause, but we, when wegave our um, where we had it set up, um, like but, when we would do an event,at the beginning of the month (inaudible) or the month before.

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And then um, he...he gave us like...like one (1) day, like we'd cover all seven (7).Like my sss...guys on my squad covered just Saturdays.

Okay.

Say for example, I don't know (inaudible) Friday or Saturdays. I'm prefty sure itwas Saturdays, but um. And then we would just tell them, "Hey we're gonnacover these days" And then, you know, I'd tell 'em which, I try to tell 'em whichdays, we would, so and so was working here.

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And then, we'd work it, and two...two weeks, I think usually about a week to twoweeks we'd get a check, so.

Okay, so he got paid, um, you understand. He'd...he'd do the schedule and buildbeginning of the month, and then pay you guys?

That I don't know about.

Oh, okay.

I don't know how he did that, uh, the tornrnhomes, I know we where, most of thetime we were getting checks a head of time.

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And then, towards the end of it, we were getting, I don't know of. I though wewere getting checks most of the time, ahead of time. I don't know if that everchanged or not. I don't remember, but for the most part I thought they werereally good at helping us.

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Like that part, I don't know how I did that, I just know I (inaudible) a week ortwo later with the checks.

MH Is that one (1) person or two (2) person job?

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MH Did that one have a car?

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WB I was driving around a personal car (inaudible).

MH Okay, (inaudible) 'cause he wanted.

WB That...that one office.

MH Yeah, did you...did you set up in that office?

WB Uh, well it's...it opens up so can actually see everything in the complex for themajority of complex from there.

MH Okay.

WB And uh, you know work the complex. There's really such a small place, too.

MH Was it?

WB You sit in the middle you can see everything, so...

MH Gotcha.

WB There's a lot going on.

MH Just trying to go through my head and remember all the jobs he coordinated, um,so.

WB That would be it, that I work, I know it was, I had Circle K and a few others, butI...

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Okay and you never had problems with geting paid?

No, I got all my money. I mean there might have been one time I got paid acouple weeks later than what I would have expected, but um.

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WB So, I got (inaudible) I got my beautiful (inaudible).

MH Some...some say they haven't so.

WB I've heard stories, but.

MH Yeah, and that's what I'm just tryrng to do, is just kind of cover all bases, and so.

WB Yeah, I...I...I'm not, but I've heard stories.

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WB I don't know how many guys or what. But usually that word gets around prettyquick.

MH Yeah, it does. That's one of the reasons that we're tryrng to do this, not thedepartment too. 'Cause you know, you come in and everyone starts do this, and.

WB You talk to one, you talk to all.

MH Pretty much, expect that it is under uh, uh, these are subject to Grand Jury. Infact I've got a subpoena here for you. In case you can find any records from whenyou did work the off dury?

WB The only records I ever have, if I did, would be, uh, hand written.

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But from the year of...like from oh-six ('06) and then on my turx records I can tellyou how much money I made that year ofl off duty. 'Cause there was only, that'sthe only place I worked.

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Did he provide you with the ten ninety-nine at the end of the year, when youworked off duty?

I'm trying to think, I don't think I ever got a ten ninety-nine (1099).

Um,'cause thatwas one of the...

From...from that job, from either of those jobs, so what I had to do is go back andcalculate all the days that I worked, and then add up, uh.

Sure, this just probably gives you a list of documents, but if you can find those,um, you'd be interested in seeing them, and this...and this whole investigations,like I said, under seal, and subject to Grand Jury. Um, so we will ask that you nottalk to anyone else about it.

I'm being subpoenaed?

Yeah, just for records, um, they're pretty straight forward. You know if you dofind any calendars that show stufl that'd be great. Um, just compare whatwe...what we have from him. Um, he indicates that he does have, and you know,in theory at this juncture we have as well. But, I've got to go through all theevidence. He does have, um, the uh, the ten ninety-nine (1099) information, taxinformation and such, so. Um, and...and if you can provide those, and or ifthere's something you can't locate, if you can just give statement saying, "I don'thave this," that's find. But you don't have to necessarily appear to Grand Jury onthat date, if I can just have that information, or an answer about a prior of thatdate. Um, if...dovm in the lower left corner it says sub...um you can respond tome, alternatively, as apposed to have to, report to Grand Jury.

(Overlapping) Let me see, I can probably tell you what l...oh five ('05), oh wellend of oh five ('05). Yeah, I might of worked oh five ('05) too. Or just that, itwould have been December (inaudible).

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WB I don't have any time slips, logs, I don't have, uh, I don't have any paycheclis.And, I can preffy much say I don't have ten ninety-nine (1099) tax forms, 'cause, Ican check on my wife. She should be home any minute. Companies I've never,they're getting personal on this.

MH It's the only way that we can show if he did pay you what he paid you. 'Cause hewas...he was required to provide you with ten ninety-nine (1099) for that work.Anything else?

WB No, the branch, (inaudible) or off duty jobs, but.

MH Do you have any questions for us right now?

WB Soon as that goes off, I will.

MH Soon as that goes off, okay. Just so you understand...

WB I don't have any while that's on.

MH No, I understand...and...and we'll go off the record (inaudible).

WB I probably don't have a lot of this stuff.

MH Okay.

WB Other than my, it's no problem to get a copy of my tax, or, I could in there(inaudible). But, um, I can bring my t€x return.

MH Just copies, I don't want any originals of anything, just copy of stuff.

WB lVho's paylng for these copies?

MH Well, Terry Goddard, no.

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You're getting so silly today, sit.

He probably just smells my dog. I'11 turn a leaf, and comply, um, but (inaudible)material, you can mail, you can fax it, you can call me, I can pick it up, whatever'seasiest for you. Um, you know, 'cause we're right down the street from, uh.

I work down there.

From the, yeah, so from May building, but, you know if it's...if it's easier for you,just let me know, and I can uh.

Uh, but like I said, they only thing I probably are gonna have is my tarx retums.

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Um, 'cause there's, the only time slip I would have had, would have been, the 1og.

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Um, H.X. I would have turned in, so they would have been sent back to whoever,that's my. If you wanna subpoena you can, but I'm getting those.

I...I prefer not to, I'm just hoping that you can, uh.

(Overlapping) No, and then ten ninety-nine's (1099), I think the only job I had'em for, is another job ttrat I worked, like once a month. And, uh, I even sure thatI worked it that much, back then but...

Gotcha, okay, why...

Financial listing record, ten ninety-nine's (1099's), yeah, I got paid for everything,so well.

Well it's you know, and that...that...what's

And, don't have any letters, emails, or text messages from George, um, 'cause Iwould always just talk to him, or I would call him, or talk to him in person.

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Um, so really my tax return is the only thing, (inaudible) I can get a copy of.

Okay, well and if somehow, if you find that you do have a calendar tucked awaythat said days that you worked and stuff.

I'11 have to look, 'cause it's possible I do, um, 'cause it's like a Bible, you haveto...have to have that, otherwise I would. But I don't I mean I don't work itanymore, so I don't even write stuff anymore, but.

(Overlapping) Sure...sure...okay, well let's um, what time is it? Fifteen-narenty(1520), we're gonna offthe tape here and um like I said...

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STA]E OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF THE AITORNEY GENERALSPECIAT II{VESTIGATIONS SECTION


DATE IAIRITTEN: March 2,2009 NUMBER: P002 2007-003090

CASE NAIvIE: Sw2008-0o::31.49

REPORT TY?E: Transcription of Interview-Tim Thiebaut

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We were by yesterday, and I left a card on your door for you.

Oh, I'm sorrli...I don't...I don't use the front door.

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I come through the garage door.

Hey, um we need to talk to you about a case we're working.

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Yeah, just lost the other one.

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MR Um, we're just gathering information.

TT Is it, um, witness or criminal on us, or...?

MR Well for you, we're considering you a witness.

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Tf Okay, um, what went around yesterday was we knew other officers in ourprecinct were being, uh, their showing up at the doors, and they contact P.L.E.our association. And then, the attorney put out that we're not supposed to sayanything because I don't...I can let you listen to her voice mail, but um.

MR No that's fine...that's fine. Was it um, Miss Bailey?

Tf (Overlapping) She said, she wants to be present on all the...on all the interviews.

MR (Overlapping) Right, is...is that what you prefer? .

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MR We...we are helping the case agent. We have... We have this list to...to go out.

SA We have a list of questions that...that we ask um, basically, you know, we're justlooking for information now, um, uh, you know, we, it's totally your call, if andthat's, you know, your decision, and uh.

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MR We...we just want you guys to know, you know, we're fellow law enforcement.We're not...we're not the enemy.

TT (Overlapping) And that's yeah, that's fine.

MR Um.

TT Oh no, and that...that's what...that...that's the hardest thing is um, my fathet's aDistrict Attorney. He was a Politician for thirty (30) years, and I told him, "Heythis is what's going on." He said, "Well, always have your attorney present." Youknow.

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MR We...we certainly don't feel bad byit.

Tf I...this...I have nothing to hide, that's.the thing.

MR Sure.

TT That's what...that's what I told her. And she said, "Well it's not that, you know,it's other things," but um.

MR Sure...we do have a, uh, subpoena to give you.

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Um, this is the original, which you can view and we'Il give you a copy. On theback here, it what it's requesting from you is these list of documents.

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MR The name of the case agent is there, that's Agent Meg Hinchey.

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MR And her phone number is right here.

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MR So you can call her, um, if you can gather up the documents that's she's askingfor, from you.

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TI Okay.

MR You can give her a call and get the documents to her. If you do that, then youdon't have to appear to Grand Jury on, uh, I thinks it's the...the sixteenth (16e) ofSeptember. Okay? So, in...in lieu of having to personally appear on the sixteenth(16") if you get the documents to her, prior to that date, then you won't have tomake a personal appearance, that uh, that's sound dear?

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And, you know, you can...you can have the...you can...your...your attorney maywant you to call her directly or she may want to make contact if you have a

question you can do it through your...your attorney. Do it directly or howeveryou decide to do it.

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You know, I've got, it's all, you know there's.

There's no implication of having anything to hide by not...by not talking rightnow.

TT That's what I told my dad though. I said, "Dad you know how it is, you know. Ifsomebody lawyers up, you know, you say 'Sure you think they're gonna hidesomething."' But I just, I mean, I'm just trnng to follow the best advice right now,with everything going on, you know.

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MR She is taking care of...of that, and she's already talked with Meg, uh, at leastnuice about (inaudible).

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MR Um, to set up the appointment so.

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If that's the way she wants to do it, or possibly maybe she'll be coming to theoffice with you.

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SA But that's why we're not doing this at the precinct.

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SA And we though it would be better for everybody to...to do it.

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Okay.

And...and I'11 get with Meg and one of us will get back to you, just as soon as

week can.

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MR Um, so I think we're in good shape, alright.

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SA Yeah, it's not something, ids an assignment that we get, that we're not happydoing. Yeah, we don't like, this isn't, and...and you know both of us are puttingour selves in...in the opposite side, well you know, this were happening to us,and.

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When...when we pulled in, and I saw the card there, it first thing we said, "I bethe just...you come and go through the garage."

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STATE OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF THE A]TORNEY GENERATSPECIAL II\NESTIGATIONS SECTION

TMI{SCRJPTION OF INTERVIE\AT

DATE WRITTEN: February 2O,2OO9 NLJMBER: P002 2007-003090

CASE NAIItIE: SW2008-003L49

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Come on in and around.

This is my partner Joe Lestinsky.

Hey, how's it going, alright?

Hi.

He's a Special Agent with the Arizona Attorney General's Office. Um, basically,uh, we got some paper work here for you. But,'we want to question you aboutbeing a witness to specific things... i , , ,,,

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Okay.

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If you desire to speak to us concerning these things. (Inaudible) have you take alook at, the uh, the questions, to see if you...

Sure come on in (inaudible).

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Yeah, we don't want to bry to heat up, uh, too long outside either, huh?

No, that's fine.

That ain't gonna work,' Um; and then have you take a look at some of thesequestions, see if your comfortable with them. Urr, maybe it would be a big helpto us. If...if you know, you don't feel comfortable with them, thads pedectly fineaswell. ,.1-, '

Okay? I don't know if you can see these, but you know basically, you know, doyou work for Phoenix? When did you start? Do you know a individual by thename of George Contreras? How do you know him? About the Raptor Services,what you do you know about Raptor Services? Have you worked for RaptorServices? Is there any incident to where you for hours, worked a particular timeand didn't get paid for thag becauserthat was an,iSsue that came Up.

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Url, and those are just specific for',this particular block concerning MisterContreras and concerning Raptor Services. Now for each individual job...

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...uh I don't know if you worked a lot of.. .I don't know.

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Okay, and then there was specifics about the particular jobs, okay? Uh, whichprecinct were you working out of at the time? You know, what was the rate ofpay, and everything like that. So obviously, as you can see, there's a lot of detailinformation concerning Raptor Services. And if you would like to share someinformation we just really appreciate it.

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Is that okay with you...or?

Yeah, I think, um, I would probably need to, I'd \ rant to dig up my pay stubsfrom...from the...gettingpaid from Raptor o-ver..:over time. And, uh, no I'd...I'dbe willing to cooperate with you guys. It's not a probfem. I just, without my paysnrbs. I haven't worked for a long time for Raptor Services.

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Well, do you want to right anything down, or?

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Thanks a lot, I appreciate it.

Do you know anythlng about anything,happening with Raptor? Or have youheard anything about it?

I have heard um, the Phoenix Police Departnent was running, I don't know if it'sa concurent investigation or a separat" brr".

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No, I just, like I said, I was just appgehensive that you, am Isomething or am I a witness? ' '

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Yeah, we actually are making contact with some other, um, guys as well. And, ifone (1) guys deployed over seas, and it's just q,yrng to, uh, catch everybody. Andwe wanted to come to houses that way, you know, it's,,just more personal thatway. And we'd have a chance to, uh, see you on your day off, that type of deal.

Yeah I appreciate it.

No one wants the Attorney Cerrerilt,Office coming into the precinct.

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Cause it gives everybody, "Oh man I wonder what's going on?" And I remember itwas this one kid, uh, who was suspected of robbing a, uh, armored truck car. Andhe use to, I use to work for the same company, uh, prior to going to the PoliceAcademy back in Detroit. Sure enough man, FBI shows up, and rounds up likethree (3) or four (4) of us and takes, and walks us out into the conference room.Had nothilg to do with,us,,vouknow. But it just everybody's just "What's that?"

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Alright these are just basic questions, if you feel uncomfortable with thequestions, you don't have to answer them (inaudible).

No, that's fine.

You know, just want us to get these out. And, 'scuse me I'm dealing with allergiestoday so, just bare with me.

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JL Do you want me to, um, right the response as much, as best I can, and then youcan just read'em off?

That be good, that be good. Uh, and I'm sure a lot of these are gonna be like realbasic questions. Most of them are yes or no.

Sure.

Some of them allow for me to ask to elaborate a little, bit more on them. Urr,you're employed with the Phoenix Police Deparunent correct?

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What do you know about Raptor Services?

Well, I had worked for, uh, George was a off duty work coordinator. And when Ifirst starting working for George, he would pay through personal check.

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And then at some point I guess he, that's our dog. Uh at some point, because hetook on more and more jobs that he was coordinating he converted over to, thenour checks stalted coming from Raptor Services.

So he would pay you guys directly out of one of his accounts?

Initially, yeah.

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Uh, one night for him. I only did that one once. And, I'm urying to think of thattown home conffact we were always paid.

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That...that anything I ever worked, that he coordinated. It would have been thetown homes, the gravel pit just one time.

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And I've worked probably nnro (2) or three (3) Hispanic festivals, okay.

Do you recall about, aroun{ about how much you were paid? I know that...that'sa long time ago.

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I don't have the time, a year and a half at least since I worked either the lastHispanic Festival or the...or that gravel pit.

Have you been paid for all of the time that you worked?

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Okay, okay so that question is, and you say you haven't worked for George forquite some time, correct?

It's probably been over a year and a half.

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Could be n,rro (2) years.

Um, when you..'.wheo,yo.t'riop working a job, do you stop working say becauseyou got promoted or juCt stop working for George because of other reasons?

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And you say that rate of pay was fifty buck ($50)...?

I believe it was fifry ($50) yeah.

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Okay, what about for holidays or anything was it different for that, do you recall?

You know, I don't...I didn't personally, I don't think, worked a holiday at the townhomes, so.

Now how many, did you have a partner? How many people worked this job, atthis, at one particular time?

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And we'd kind of split our time in there. We'd do foot paffol, we'd answer anycalls that came out in those, uh, town homes. And, uh, from what I can, from thestatistics that I've heard, that wdd...we'd reduced crime, the time we were inthere, at like sixty (60) percent.

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JL So that was a way for the dispatch to know that, it was assigned at that particularplace?

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I think sometimes we would, but not always.

And then when you're, so okay, and then when you're done at the end of the shift,you'd sign off either on the computer or did you have to do it on the radio too, orno? You would just do it on that?

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No, it just be driver station, power the computer down, sign off.

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Now with this...this Cottonwood, how were you paid.for this, uh, job? Wasthrough Raptor? Did it pay (inaudible).

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So, as far as you're...your pay for that particular night, say you're Cotton...CottonCenter. You fill out your little activiry.'which you just detailed. Then you'd turnthat sheet into George, or you turn it back into the station.

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And then did you ever make out a time sheet for anything for the side job. Ordid, who handled the...the billing portion of it, to say like, "Hey you worked eight(8) hours or ten (10) of this particular day."

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So, as far as you can recall, since nuo-thousand five (2005) around Decemberwho has been the off duty coordinator, until you end up not being there an)rynore,as far as doing O.T.?

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Is that when the town homes began?

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Getting us in there for security?

Uh, just rhis...for...for off uty, period, (inaudible) is our concern?

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Most of your off duty was through George, or was it through other people as well?

Over my whole career I've worked for others. gut then towards the end of, whenI've ever worked off duty, yeah I worked more for George.

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I don't think so, uh, I think what...what I would do, is I'd...I'd just always beaware of when I worked, and what I was owed, and then when I was paid, thenI'd(inaudible).

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Cause of ten ninety-nine (1099).

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Um, I think that there was probably, um, one (1) or two (2) times where forwhatever teason, I would leave or a little early. But then, I'm the, type of personwho the next I'd come in...

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I worked with quite a few different ones. Uh, I've worked with Jim Art.

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Oh, who I left early with, hum? I really don't, and honesdy I dont know if I everdid. I think, you know, if we headed in at, you know if we were working 'tilmidnight, and we started heading to the station at eleven-thirty (11:30).

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We just didn't want to, it was on us, I didn't want to charge Cotton Centerovertime.

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Um, in case you have anything else that you want to let us know. That's um,that's our main number. And then if you just ask for me, or you can even ask forDarryl at that same number.

Is it, can you guys answer at your level, are they targeting anyone other thanGeorge?

No, George is who they're looking at.

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That's exactly what thefre looking at, so. 'I,*"arr'obviously George had a lot ofpeople that, you know, that worked while he was doing his thing.

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Okay.

...with George at this company.

And I, it's my understanding I think the deparunent's own investigation is thatthey're pull all the logs, the M.D.T. files.

Yeah, we're not a...we're not a privied to that. That's kind of their, um.

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JL We know that there is an internal investigation. This is completely separate,thet're completely two (2) different, you know, vve're not...we're not sharinginformation.

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DR So which is worse, Maryvale or South Mountain?

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JL The South Mountain, it seems like they had a lot of new place there, like newconstruction.

LD A lot of houses going up, yeah.

DR Get a lot burglaries and everything, with the new construction areas?

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STATE OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERATSPECLAL II\iVESTIGATIONS SECTION


DATE WRITTEN BY AGENT: September 9, 2008

CASE NAIVIE: SW200B-0031,49

REPORT TIIPE: Transcription of Interview J. Lewis

AGENT: M. Hinchev

TRAMCRIPfiON OF INTERVIEW: D. Berggren

NUMBER: P002 2007-003090

STIPERVISOR: A. Rubalcava PAGE 1 OF 23 PAGE(S)

MH: Meg HincheyRG: Ron GibsonJL: Jacob LewisBC: Bob CavanaughTL: Todd Lawson

MH And, Ron what time are we? I did not put my watch on this morning.

RG I have ten ten (10:00) eleven ten (11:00).

MH Okay, so we're eleven ten (11:L0)Um, Special Agent Meg Hinchey, Special Agent Ron Gibson is here, uh, AssistantAttorney Todd Lawson from the Attorney General's Office, and if you'd say yourname for us.

JL Jacob Lewis.

MH Okay, and.

BC And, uh, Bob Cavanaugh Attorney representing Jacob Lewis.

MH Okay, awesome thank you very much. Um, Jake I talked to you yesterday,

briefly, and kind of gave you what I could, in regards to what this is about.

JL Yes, ma'am.

MH Um, the primary focus, here, is um, someone by the name of George Contreras.Do you know who that is?

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And, tell me how you know George?

Uh, I've worked off duty for him, he's an off duty coordinator. I did a couple, uh,jobs in different locations for him.

Okay, um, and obviously you're a police officer for the city of Phoenix.

Yes, ma'am.

Okay, and...

Serial number eighty-nvo forty-seven (8247),just in case you guys need that.

Thank you, and when did you begin employment with them?

Um, I think I just hit three-and-a-half (3Yz) yearc. I want to say it was, um,December Thirty-first (31't) of Two-thousand and five (2005) or something likethat.

Okay...okay...um, and how long after you started employment with the city ofPhoenix Police Departrnent are you aloud to work off duty positions?

Uh, our poliry says at six (6) months, you can start working traffic. Um, you canwork security at six (6) months, with a supervisor's permission, but at one (L)years is generally when you start working security.

Okay, and do you remember if you were at six (6) months or a year before youstarted working security (inaudible).

Um, I want to say it was a year.

Okay.

I mean it's been...it's been a couple years. But I want to say that I worked nafficfor the first, uh, little while, and then I've submitted my memo or whatever youhad to do, paperwork to be able to work security.

Okay, so would you guess, is it...is it correct to say then, base on what we justsaid, that you started working security about December of nryo-thousand six(2006)?

More than likely, yeah.

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Around a year.

Sure, okay. Have you ever heard of Raptor Services?

Yes, ma'am.

Can you tell me what you know about Raptor Services?

All that I know about Raptor Services, is it is um, George's little business, I guessyou could call it, um, that he...he get's. And, I'm not very knowledgeable on thatstuff, other than, the money that he gets from off duty jobs, goes into thataccount. And then he disperses that money accordingly to the officers thatworked the off duty jobs for 'em. And that's my understanding of RaptorServices.

Okay, if you heard the names of those, would you recall?

I probably will.

Um, did you in regards to when you mentioned Grant, was it Grant ParkAparunents?

MH Okay, so he actually um, based on what you've described, you worked under himas a coordinator. You've received checks drawn off of from an account namedRaptor Services?

JL Yes, ma'am.

MH Okay, um, in regards to um, off duty security services that you've performed,since your emplo]4nent with Phoenix Police Departrnent, um, can you rememberthe names of some of the jobs that maybe you've worked?

JL Um, I know one of the jobs is, I work at Circle K Truck Stop at Thirty-six eighteen(3618) West Buckeye Road. He was coordinator there for time until some stuffcame up, and now it's coordinated by somebody else.

MH Okay.

JL I still currently work at that...that same location. Um, and I worked a couplesecurity jobs for, um, some town homes, a couple different town homes. I wannasay there was Grant Street Apartments, I think, he coordinated that one. Ufir,some town homes, I know like, Broadway or Baseline, something like that. And,them um, another one that was right here, dovrrntown for um, El Hermanos orChicanos Por La Causa.

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I think, yeah, Grant Park.

Okay, and then in regards to the one, um, you said some town homes. Broadway,Baseline, do you remember what one of the crossroads was?

Is it...it's in the sffeets. I d.on't really go on the east side. It's like Fortieth (40d')

Street or Twenty-sixth (26e) Street or something (inaudible) remember the nameof that.

(Overlapping) Okay.

If you said the name, I'd probably remember.

Does Cotton Center. sound familiar?

That sounds right.

Okay...okay. Urn, and George was coordinator for that position?

Was it Cotton Center Townhomes, on the north side of the road, I...

I've heard it referred to as, uh, Villas East.

I think that may have been what I've...I've heard it called. Um, (inaudible) acrossthe street to that one. I could probably tell you if that's the right one.

Forty-fourth @4&) Street and Broadway?

That...that...I think that's the one.

Okay.

I think that's the one.

Up by the Hampton Inn?

By the Hampton Inn, and there's, you got some on the east side. And, thenthere's like field in the middle, and then you got some on the west side. Thatone, don't remember talking about.

There's a...there's like a strip of dirt. And, I believe there are big power linesgoing through that strip of dirt.

I pretry sure, yeah, I'm prett5r sure that's the. one I worked.

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JL I think...and I think I did that one twice.

MH Sure, okay, and again George was the coordinator for that?

JL Yes.

MH Okay, and was he the coordinator for the Grant Park Aparunents?

JL I believe so.

MH Okay.

JL I believe so.

MH And, the other one...I'm...I'm not real familiar with, the Chicanos Por La Causa,was he the coordinator on that job?

JL Yeah, I'm...I'm almost positive he was the coordinator on that one.

MH Okay, alright.

JL That's when...that's I guess it's like a Spanish festival that they have downtown.

MH Oh, okay, I've heard mention about a festival.

JL Yeah.

MH When...could the festival...festival been named Fiestas Patrias, or Fiestas, or doremember any...seeing anything like that.

JL It may have been, I just, I've a11...1...I heard it refer to as Chicanos Por La Causa.

MH Okay, alright, um, what's the last off dury job you worked, that George was thecoordinator?

JL Um.

MH Most recently?

JL Well, before what while he still employed by the city, or?

MH Yeah, while he was a coordinator?

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Uh, while he was a coordinator, after he did the Circle K job.

Okay, and um, these...these uh off duty securiry jobs that you've performed whileGeorge was coordinator, have you've been paid for all the jobs that worked, whilehe coordinator?

Yes, I'm up to date, current, he's doesn't owe me any more money or anythinglike that.

No, me, no.

Okay, you say, "me, no," you've heard of some?

Heard, just rumors. I don't know. I don't know anybody's, but I...I...I've heard ofthat, yes.

Yeah, my...my...understanding is, there's a lot of talk about...about all this goingon through the department. And again, I just want to remind you, you know,we're talking here today, I'm gonna ask you not to discuss this with anyone...

Yes, ma'am.

...outside of here. Obviously other then...

Bob.

Yeah. Um, okay let's talk about the, uh, the Circle K job, since that was the mostrecent.

Okay.

MH Okay, um was there ever a time that you weren't paid, in a...in a timely manner,that you felt, you know, maybe pay was delayed?

JL Yeah, there was, I mean, but it's...like many off duty jobs, it take's time to getyour checks. But there was time's that I wouldn't get a check for, you know, four(4) or five (5) weeks.

MH Okay, do you remember what jobs those might have been?

JL Um, I know the...the Circle K job had some problems with that.

MH Okay, well talk about that, in a little more detail. Um, was there ever a time thatvou received a check that was returned non-sufficient funds?

JL

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Um, do you remember about when you started working that job?

You know, I don't, I've...I've been doing it for I wanna say almost a year now.

Sure and when you first 'started working the job to present, have there beenchanges on how you were paid?

Yes.

Okay, tell me, if you would, just kind of go through that when you first startedworking. How was it you were paid? And then explain to me any changes thathave been made.

The process of working off duty has all been the same, it's never changed. Youknow, you call in, you check in, you check out on your radio. You call the stationwere and there your going to be working. That's all remained the same. Um, thedifference was, um, bef...when I first started there we were receiving our checks

through Raptor Services. And then now, the way it work, is we go into Circle Kwe sign in, we sign a log book, and then, the uh, night clerk that night, um,makes up a money order for how much you're owed.

Uh hum.

You sign it, give it back'to him, he cashes it out, and...and then you're actuallygetting paid, by Circle K and you get a uh, I think it's called ten ninety-nine(1099) at the end of year from Circle K for money that they've paid you.

Okay, so in the...in the beginning, um, you got a check from Raptor Services,

roughly what time frame, was it daily weekly, monthly, how often?

I...I wanna say it was every two (2) weeks.

Every two (2) weeks?

Yeah.

Okay, and um, and that, again that check was drawing from Raptor Services.And, we're you paid after you'd worked the shift, or bef...you know, was it theend of two (2) weeks that you'd worked or at the beginning of the two (2) weeksyou were supposed to work? Does that make sense?

Um, you would get paid for the work you already did.

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Okay, and um, you mentioned that now you sign in a log, when you get there.Was there any kind of log back then?

Yes there was.

Okay, was it one maintained at Circle K or tell me about that.

It was a, just a paper log in a three (3) ring binder that was maintained by CircleK.

Okay, um, and you said that you'd check in, you said on the air?

Yes.

MH Okay, and is that when you'd go on and offf

JL Uh, when I...when you go on, you advise the dispatcher what time your comingon, and what time your coming off. And the dispatchet's will automatically logyou off at that time, so you don't have to say, "Hey, I'm no longer at work." So,

um, some people say it, some people do clear, "H.y, I'll be ten-seven (10-7), thenI'll be done." Um, but if you don't, you just nrrn off your radio, and the dispatchwill log you out at your...at your lotted time.

MH And how many people worked that security job at one time?

JL lt's a one person job.

MH Okay, is there a vehicle required for the time?

JL No, ma'am.

MH Okay, um, what was your understanding and as to um, and you know, you maynot know'em, that's fine, as to how Raptor Services got the money from Circle K?

Did you have any knowledge of that?

JL The only knowledge that I have, was from talking to other officers that alsoworked that job. I never, I...I don't know George that well.

MH Uh hum.

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JL The...the way that I got set up with George, was through other officers. Youknow, just "Hey I got a buddy who needs off duty type thing." Um, myunderstanding was that George was receiving checks for...for example, Georgewas receiving checks for the month of August at bit...at like (inaudible) I don'tknow (inaudible) August first (L), at the beginning of the month.

MH Uh hum.

JL And George was to take that money and disperse it out to the officers throughoutthe month.

MH Okay, was that, you mentioned that there was sometimes when in, I think yousaid about five (5) weeks after the fact, you would get paid?

JL Yeah, there was times where I have to call George up, "Hey, you know, what'sgoing on? Am I gonna get my check any time soon?"

MH 'vVhich job was that related to, do you recall?

JL Only there was a couple times the Circle Kjob had that problem.

MH And you still work the Circle K job, right?

JL Yes.

MH Okay, and um, the manner in which you're paid now, money order, end of thenight, they cash it for you?

JL Uh hum.

Right then and there, no question?

Right.

MH And they provide you with a ten ninety-nine (1099)?

Yes.

Did Raptor Services provide you with any ten ninety-nine's (1099's)?

I believe so, yeah, I'm...I'm...I'm prett5r sure I had some ten ninety-nine's (1099's)from them.

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MH Okay, and the Circle K job, um, do you remember roughly what hours are workedfor that job?

JL Um, my hours have always fhe same, it's uh, eight o'clock (8:00) at night to sixo'clock (6:00) in the morning, a ten hour shift.

MH Okay, um, and that...and that's from the very beginning of when you worked thejob, or do you remember if it changed?

JL Yes, it's...it's always been the same, 'cause um, I've always worked the same days

every shift.

MH Sure, and how many days a week do they hire someone?

JL I think there's somebody there seven (7) days a week.

MH Okay, um, and what's the rate of pay on that job, do you recall?

JL lVhen I started it was thirty-five ($SS; and it just recently got bumped to forry($40)'

MH Okay, awesome. Um, do you recalI, uh, if you ever worked the Circle K job, if you

worked any holidays?

Jt Can'f ihint< of any major holidays like Christmas or Thanksgiving, maybe like, uh,Martin Luther King Day or something.

MH Sure.

JL I'd...I'd don't know that I've worked any holidays, to be honest with you.

MH Okay, so then, I'm gonna speculate that you wouldn't recall if you got paidstraight time or double time for holidays?

JL Right, I don't, I wouldn't.

MH Okay, okay, um, and this is a job, that you would respond. directly to the CircleK...is that correct? You don't...you don't go by the precinct or anything?

JL No, just drive right to the Circle K.

MH Okay, that's...that's what I was picking up on, Um, let's talk about uh, the one Iknow of as Cotton Center. The townhouses at Forty-fourth (44*) andBroadway...at Broadway.


JL (Overlapping) Uh hum.

MH Um, on that job, do you remember how you were paid for that job?

JL That job, I only did n,rro (2) times. And that was a long time ago. And I...and Iknow I got, I'm...I'm pretty sur...positive I got a check for that job. But I couldn'ttell you who it was from. I've had George's name on it, I've Raptor Services nameon it, or...or...what.

MH Sure...sure.

JL And that was, I only worked it nvice and a long time ago.

MH Right, do you...do you recall, and, you know, again I'm asking this stretch. So ifyou don't recall that's fine.

JL Right.

MH But um, do you recall if that was a...a one (1) person job?

JL No, that was a nnro (2) person job. I actually worked that with my brother.

MH With your brother?

JL Yeah.

MH And that's Austin, correct?

JL Yes, that's Austin.

MH Um, and on that job, um, do you recall if your vehicle was required for that job?

JL Yeah, we drove a vehicle those days.

MH Okay, so for that job you would repoft to the precinct, and tell me the process forgetting the vehicle, and what you guys did (inaudible)?


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Like I said, I only remembered, I only did it twice, so um, my recollection iswe...we'd go to the precinct. We'd get a vehicle, and them, yot know, do thevehicle inspection, gas it up, fuel it up, load up all of our equipment. We had tofilI out a log at the station, and check out...check out the car, sign on, on to theM.V.T., then drive over to the townhomes, where we would stay. And then, um,at the end of the shift, we had to do everything in reverse. We had to go, I thinkwe had to go, if I remember right, there was a log that we had with us. That wewrote, like any police action we took, just to show we were, you know, doingenforcement there. We had to go return the 1og, reflrrn the car, and unloadeverything inside.

Okay, um, I think I have a piece of paper in here, somewhere. Yeah, I, you didn'twork that with anyone other than Austin, I don't, from what I can see.

No, yeah, I think I worked it t'wice with Austin, and that's it.

That's what I thought. Um, and do you remember the rate of pay for that job?

No, I don't...it was preffy good. I remember it was prerry good for back then.But I don't remember what it was.

Sure, okay. And, um, what would be reasons that a person would not be on sitefor that job.

Um, going to get food, um a arint, bathrooms, um me and Austin helped out on aburglary call that was just right down the road. They had somebody that wassupposed to be inside of a building, and helped on the perimeter for a minute, fora few minutes. If you made an affest, had to take someone to the station, andbook'em.

Uh hum.

Those sort of things.

Okay, but those things are listed in the log, is that correct?

I believe...I believe so.

MH Okay (inaudible), trD, no I don't...um...

JL I remember one of those day's me and Austin, arrested a guy that had amisdemeanor warrant we had to take we had to take (inaudible). Did we affest

. him that day? I'm pretty sure we arrested a guy that, one of those days, and youknow, take him down, book him, and do all that stuff.

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Sure, um, would that be a job, that also um, officers working that job, wouldcheck in on the air and off, on air with dispatch, or do you recall?

I don't remember.

Okay. Um, what else do we want to know about that one? Was thagwas...uniformed?

Yes.

Okay and the Circle K job was uniformed also?

Yes.

Okay, um, uh let's see Grant Park Apartrnents, that was one of the others you

mentioned?

Uh hum.

Um, do you recall how you got paid for that job?

Also a check.

Okay and the check was drawn by (inaudible)?

And that and that's in...I don't remember if it was a personal check from George

or if it was a Raptor Services check.

MH Okay, but George is the one who provided you with those checks.

JL I'm pretty sure, yeah, I'm prettSr sure George is the one that coordinated that job.

MH Okay, let me back, I'm sorry. The Cotton Center job, um, do you...do you recall ifGeorge paid you directly, or if the client paid you?

JL I don't remember.

MH Okay, um, and then at Grant Park Apartrnents was that one (1) person?

JL Uh, no that one I worked with Austin. And, I don't know if I remember, I don'tknow if I worked it once, or twice, but I don't think I worked more than nryo (2)

times.

MH Sure, okay. So that was a two (2) person?


JL Yeah.

MH Did that one require a vehicle also?

JL No, we didn't have a patrol car on that one.

MH Okay, so you would respond directly to that location.

JL Yeah, we drove there in our personal vehicle, and walked around, and left in thepersonal vehicles.

MH Okay. Um, somebody told me that, um, that had worked both of those jobs, thatthere was an office or a location at each of those jobs for report writing. Do yourecall at Cotton Center, was there a location you could do report writing?

JL Um, I know there was an office, 'cause I remember going into the office at theConon Center place. But I don't know if there was like a specific vacant roomthat we could go into and use. I don't...that I don't know.

Okay. Do you recall at Grant Park if there was an office?

That I do remember the office there, yes.

Okay. And was your understanding that that was availabfe for report writing?

Yeah...yeah they had, um, keys that access the office, and people go in there anduse the phone to call in reports, and write reports and what not.

Sure, okay. Um, again I got ahead of myself there. On the Cotton Center do yourecall if you worked holidays? I...I know again it's a stretch.

JL That I don't remember.

MH Okay, do you recall if you worked any holidays at Grant Park Apartments?

JL I don't think I did.

MH Okay.

JL At Grant (inaudible).

MH Do you remember ever being paid double time for any of the off duty securityjobs, that you worked?

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JL Not that I can think of.

MH Okay, that's fair. We're just trying figure out, you know, as you can tell,we're...kind of nrying to figure what money went were, and so.

JL Yeah, right, understandable.

MH Were you aware, um, the Fiestas job, I guess I should cover that one real quickly.

Uh, do you remember how many officers worked that job?

JL There was a bunch. I...I don't know if it was fifteen (L5), nuenty (20), but there

was, uh...uh hand fuIl of officers there.

MH Okay, and um, is that one that required vehicles.

JL No we didn't...we walked on that one.

MH Okay.

JL Uh, we just drove our cars there and walked.

MH Okay, and um, do you recall how you were paid for that one?

JL By that...that was also by check.

MH Okay.

JL And, like I said, I don't remember the name on the check, uh, I'm sorry.

MH Okay, that's fine, thafs alright, that's okay. Um, Grant Park Apartrnents was there

a log there.

JL I don't remember.

MH Okay, and did you, uh, sign on,job, that you recall?

sign in, or do anything to log in for the Fiestas

JL Um, I'd remember...I'd remember the Fiesta job we met with the supervisor and

found all our radio channel we working otr, 'cause we all had a specified radio

channel. But, I don't remember any, am here 1og.

MH Sure, okay. Did you ever have to submit a time sheet for any of these jobs thatyou worked, of any kind?

JL

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Okay.

I don't ever recall submitting a time sheet.

Sure, okay. How would, um, the coordinator know if you were able to stay onsite the entire shift or not, or when you left the shift? How would a coordinatorknow that information? Let's talk about Cotton Center for example.

Um, I'm I (inaudible) we probably just...like if...like if we made an arrest orsomething, we had to leave, or you mean like an family emergency we had totake off, type thing?

Well, uh, I...I've been told, and a couple of officers have said that you know, let'ssay Cotton Center. Um, tell me if this sounds correct. Eight (8) hours shifuduring the week, ten (10) hours on the weekend that you recall?

Sound right, Iike I said I only did two (2) jobs there.

Yeah, that's what I figured, that's why didn't ask that originally. Um, so let's saythat somebody's working weekend shift, ten (1"0) hours, um, but they...theycheck the vehicle out at eight P.M. (B:00) and they return at midnight (L2:00), so

they're really outside only four (4) hours.

Yeah.

How would they let the coordinator, for what ever reason they needed to leave?

I guess they would probably just call George say, "Hey, something came up. Mywife's in labor," or whatever "l got to go home."

Okay, so there was not any kind of like, time sheet, or anything of that nature?

Not that...not that l...not that I personally recall of the time sheet, other than, Iknow that there was log that we kept activity in...

Uh hum.

...you know, um, and I guess you just probably call up George, "H.y, George, Igotta take...goffa take off."

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MH Okay. Um, and do you know if, uh, if there was any kind of time sheet, for how,for example the Circle K job? I understand now, there, they keep a 1og, correct?

Yeah.

MH But, back then, how would...how would George know if you were or weren'tthere? And, do you know how much (inaudible)?

JL There's...there's that...there was that same. There was a three (3) ring binder,

with um, a monthly log thing, you came in hey my name, hours, from this to this.

You know, sign it and initialed it. My understanding is, that George came in, at

the end of the, or George came in and the end of the month, or biweekly, orwhatever, and look at that 1og, and to see who...who came in and did their hours.

MH And would that be, um, what would be the case at Grant Park? How would he

know, do you have any id...do you recall?

JL Don't recall, I'm sorry.

MH And, I know if you only worked a job once or twice. I mean I get it.

JL Yeah, I only worked it once or twice.

MH Yeah did you ever of officers leaving shifts early, and getting paid for a fulI shift.

JL No, not...I don't have a person knowledge of it.

MH Any personal knowledge, it's been rumors, is that what...?

JL I've heard rumors of stufl yeah.

MH Yeah.

JL But, I mean I didn't, I couldn't say, '!eah I know this officer did that or thatofficer did that type of thing."

MH (Overlapping) Sure...sure...um, do you recall if you've ever left a shift early?

JL I never have.

MH Um.

JL Well one, sorry, let me revise that. I...1 talked to him about this. I, um, there's

been times, like with the Circle K job...

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...I work until six (6:00) in the morning, and then I have church at eight (8:00) inthe morning, and I told the employer, "Hey, you mind if I sneak out fifteen (15)

minutes early, cause I gotta go get ready for church," whatever, and they're like,"Yeah, go ahead." That type of thing. But I've never put for hours that I didn'twork or something.

Understood and you're dealing with the person that's paying you.

And, did you...did you ever, um, stay late on...on other shifu and not get paid forit?

JL Yeah, I...I have.

BC And, did you ever come in early, and not get paid for it?

JL Yes, I have.

BC So it wasn't like you were taking fifteen (15) minutes for free?

JL For free, exactly.

MH Okay, appreciate that. Anything you can think ol (inaudible). Um, let me lookthrough my file here for a minute, jog my memory; make sure I'm not missinganything.

JL (Overlapping) No problem.

MH Do you remember how much Grant Park per hour?

JL Sorry, I don't.

MH Okay, um and then um, Fiestas do you remember what that was per hour?

JL I don't...I don't remember that one either, I'm sorr5r.

MH That's fine...that's fine...that's fine...actually I'm just looking at some...somethingthat shows me, um, you know, when he paid you from...for Circle K and it just...Ijust remembered that I didn't ask those questions.

JL Yeah, I don't remember those, actually I, the ones I only did once or twice, hardto remember.


MH Sure...sure...(inaudible) eighty-naro forty seven (8247) right?

JL Yes, ma'am.

MH Hum, I'm short a sheet. Yeah I don't...I...from my other notes, um, I didn't see

you worked at Cotton Center very much. Urr, you know, I can see you know, theconsistency with Circle K.

JL Yeah, that's what I've been working consistently...

MH Sure.

JL For the past, I think about a year now.

MH Todd is there anything that you would like to add, or...?

TL No, I think you covered everything I had.

MH Okay, um, Jake I do need to give you um, a Grand Jury subpoena. And um,Mister Cavanaugh can help you with basically we're requesting these items. Andum, if you don't have them, I just need you to let me know, "I don't have them."And what you do have, I just would like to have copies, I don't want any originalsof anything.

JL Okay.

MH Um, and obviously um, you're...you're familiar with Grand Jury...?

JL Uh hum.

MH ...stuff, so you understand this isn't, again, not to be shared. Can I borrow pen(inaudible)?

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Sure.

What time is it now?

Eleven thirry-five (1 1. :35).

Thank you.

Not to be shared, because it's illegal to...to share it, so.

Yeap, best reason.


BC Yeah, so...so...so don't do it.

MH (Overlapping) Yeah, that's right...that's right. Um, and you know, I alreadyknow, I already got a call as of two o'clock (2:00) yesterday afternoon, that thereare a lot of officers with the department that know something's going. And, youknow, the rumor mills are starting. There's gonna be a tendency for people towant to talk about it, and um, you know, I'III just going to remind youthat...that's not aloud.

JL Okay.

MH Just...just for your ovrrn benefit.

RG You know you can give us without having to go to the Grand Jury.

MH Yeah.

TL Yeah.

MH Um, I'm sorry.

TL That's the important part.

MH That's the important part.

JL What's that?

MH Prior to September sixteenth (16'h), as opposed to showing up at the Grand Juryon September sixteenth (16'S...alternatively may comply, you can fax them tome, mail them to me, call me and I'11 affange to pick them up.

JL Okay.

MH Okay, you don't have to go to Grand Jury on that date, as long have...

TL Yeah.

MH ...have either these documents or something indicating you don't have them. Youknow some things you may not have.

TL We don't need to iee you ever again, we just want the documents.

MH Right.

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Not that...not that I don't like you guYs, but I hope I don't ever have to see you

SUys again either.

Unless we're working a case together.

Exactly.

Could I get a copy of that?

Sure, we'll do it on the way out

Sure, I'll make you a copy before we go, you bet. Thanks Ron. Um, at this

juncture do you have any questions for me?

Same question I had on the phone.

Sure.

Am I...I know that obviously you need to be getting information, from me,

relative to what, where the money was going, and what money, and who got

what, and what not. Bug am I subject of any investigation that I need to be

aware of, or...?

Well, in all fairness, um just keeping in mind, it's an ongoing investigation, so I

can't disclose everything that I...that I have right now. UrI, what I can tell you is,

um, and I believe Mister Lawson explained this to Mister Cavanaugh. Um, we

have kind of a continuum of, uh, it appears that some officers worked off duty

and were paid for hours that they didn't work. That's pretty straight forward,

baSed upon my questions. Um, and there's a continuum of, the most aggregis to

probab$ not tire case. Um, and we just need to be able to go back and look and

iay, "Oi<ay, you know, is there...is there an explainable reason why maybe itdoesn't look like someone was sight or not." And that you worked

this...especially thg Cotton Center is a primary focus. And, that you had worked

at that location.

Yeah.

Um, so, um...you know, having said that, you know. I'm interviewing you as a

witness, can I confirm that...?

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BC

JL (Overlapping) Yeah.

MH We have to talk to all the officers and see what you know, what you can tell us,

what...does that make sense?

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JL That I can never turn into a sus...something else?

MH Exactly coffect.

JL Yeah.

MH You know, I can't say that. I have to complete my investigation.

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Right.

You know, pull everybodys informationhow it looks.

together and put it in one pot, and see

JL tught.

MH So, and as you know there are a lot of officers I need to speak to.

JL Yeah.

MH Um, you know we, uh, we bry to do this as quickly as possible, yesterday, we tried

to get ro everyone as quickly as we could. Again, kind of trytng to avoid thatrumor mill,

JL Yeah.

MH Um, concern.

BC Thank you sir.

MH But um.

JL I guess it's a good thing I only worked it nvice.

BC So are you guys going to Glendale P.D. next, and Gilbert and all those 8uys.'Cause you'll be working 'til the next cenrury, if this is...if this is all it is, I'm sure

it's bigger than this. But I guarantee you, some of the offrcers in the state who

leave early, and they do this thing, so.

MH lVhat I can tell you, is this is a direct referral from Phoenix P.D. because it would

be a conflict for them to investigate.

BC Okay, gotcha, alright.

MH Does that sound fair?

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Okay.

Alright.

Any other questions.

Thank you much.

Okay, you're welcome...

(Overlapping) Thank you.

...and what time are we know?

About ten thirry-seven (10:37).

MH Eleven thirty-seven (11:37)? Okay I'm going off then.

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SPECAL II{VESTIGATIONS SECTIONTRAhISCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW

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Kathleen KempleyArmando Cruz

Today's date is August twenty-fifth (25'h) naro-thousand eight (2008).

approximately two-oh nnro (2:02) P.M. Armando Curz and Kathleenapproaching Austin Lewis's house at

Arizona. Hi we're looking for Austin Lewis?

He's not here.

Um, do you know where he's at?

He's working.

Is he working?

Yeah.

Is he off today?

He's doing...he's...yeah, but he's working today.

Okay, um, do you know what time he'llbe home?

I'm not...today I'm not sure...he's....he's doing an A\AtrR today.

Okay...alright...we'11 come back later, thank you.

Is there something that I can help you guys with?

It'sare

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KK So...

UW Is there a message that I can...?

AC (Inaudible) card

KK I don't if I have any cards with me. I have some out in the car.

UW Alright.

AC He can...he can reach me at that number,

UW (Overlapping) Okay, the

AC Yes ma'am.

UW Okay...alright...thankyou.

KK Thankyou, (inaudible). It's approximatelynryo oh-five (2:05) P.M.

End of recording.

Um...no...we just need to talk to him about few issues that have come up

regarding some other folks on the departrnent. So, we'd just like to talk him.

He's not in uouble we're not here to alTest him or anything. We're just...want to

talk with him.

STATE OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERALSPECLAL II\iVESTIGATIONS SECTION

TMNSCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW

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MH: Meg HincheyGT: Gail ThackerayAL: Austin LewisKB: Kathryn Baillie

MH: Todd doesn't have the advantage of being here let me just make sure every ones

identified. Um.. I'm special agent Meg Hinchey with the Attorney General's Office.

GT: Gail Thackeray with the Attorney General's Office

AL: Uh... Austin Lewis with Phoenix Police Deparunent

KB: Kathryn Baillie with Michael Napier Office

MH: And thank you for let me do that just again and that he's not here

I(B: Right, so he can kind of know what our concerns were

GT: Right

MH: Sure

KB: So, um, like I said we represent ah Civil officers a lot of them um, have already glven

state'ments to the um, detectives who came to their home um, but the one concern was

they were told that they were witness officers, and they were served a subpoena totestify for the grand jury and at the back their require to provide their um, state and

federal income tax returns for the last three (3) years, Um, if they are just witness

officers we don't know why that is required, because there's nothing on there that can

help ind---- George Contreras if this is really where were focusing on um, but the

information is only there.

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GT: It's relevant to the investigation though whether the officers um, whether there's any

suspicion about a particular officer or not were asking a whole bunch people who for

copies of their tax returns and the obvious reason for that you know yourself is just tocompare with the official business records, that's one reason.

I(B: Correct, so and and we don't have a problem if it was limited to just that because on

this tax returns we have wives information on there households and um

GT: But we're not planning on giving it to the press this is a Srand jury subpoena so it's

under seal

KB: It is under seal but still um, any thing that's on there, here's the other thing that we

have um, and maybe you can educate me on this um, we would like we don't have a

problem these ofdcers haven't done any thing wrong and that's why they're willing toio*. and say hey this is what we did this is what we where told we showed up and *ris

is what we worked okay. They don't also have a problem with providing ttrere tax

reftrns but we have advised them you know we need to know what's going on here, we

would like to have a complete immunity if there going to testify before the grand juryand they're going to provide this information um, that they don't their not waving there

fifth (5s) amendment right

GT: No, of course not

I(B: And that um, every thing they say if it really is to help you um gather information

against a possible wrong do-er and if you know this other individual did do something

oitong then they want to help you I mean there in law enforcement they want to help

you their condition to do that but also we're condition to protect them to Say now wait a

minute lets make sure that you gpys don't come back and start an investigation

GT: But we're still at the very preliminary stage of an investigation, so at this point we

can't tell any one in particular your good your bad your off the hook you're a witness or

not becauseright now we're diicovering, i'ot example, and I'm not going to 8o into any

detail but we're discovering, For example, that some of this officers are victims, so

I(B: Yea they are

MH: And just and I'11 share something the one of the ways that Todd is explained to

Mister who's representing your brother

KB: Uh ha

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MH: Um, who we spoke with the other day there's there's a spectrum of of officers here

um, thar may or mijr not knowingly um accepted certain ah founds the things that did

or didn't aciord obviously our most (------ 3:22) and... and I mean and these thing I

wanted to say because you are going to be asked questions about this in a moment any

ways um, obviously you know we have a primary target who you know who that is um,

and that he's probibiy the most (--- 3:35) and we have some officers down at the other

end that you ktto* based on records keeping and things that we found may or may not

have accepted founds knowingly and so that's what we're tryrng to do so we're qiing tocover all bases we're fairly certain that there probably be some that are just going to be

limited bur there's going to be some that worked real closely with that target that we

think may have ro*. probl"*r so we can say you know I can't tell you before I talked to

you um, you now hey absolutely not what I tell you is I got records that I need to clarify(

overlapped)...

GT: (inaudible) gone through all the records (overlapped)

MH: and I got of course things that I subpoenas things that we.. you know conducted

search warrants things that we have gathered in the courses investigation of course I

haven't gone through e.r"ry thing at this juncture um, you know our concems is having

opporru;iry to talk to every one as quickly as possible because as you know it's running

aiound every bodies talking (laughs) and we don't want you know your statements

(contaminadd 4:31 )by sombbody else's or any thing else either um, reason for this is we

do need to compare this to business records that allegedly were kept.

KB: Right but this and this is our concern with this is because um, you're going to have

officers who are golrna hand over information that

MH: To a Law enforcement agency

KB: To a la enforcement agency

MH: Yes Maam

KB: That potentially could rise issue and now they are going to be indicted or charged

with some thing even though they didn't rcaIize it, So um my concern is I mean for

prudent sake you would oy *"it a minute we're going to in vote the fifth (Sd)

amendment here and we're not gonna provide any thing to you because we don't know

(overlapped)

GT: Well there's a different between testimony I front of the grand jury and providing

records which you're obligated to provide under grand jury subpoena.

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MH: And...And.. Um I'm guessing you had an opportunity to look at the subpoenas

KB: I have not

MH: Okay.... That's too bad (overlapped)

KB: You know what it just with

MH: with out my help

KB: (inaudible) officer who told me and so I'm going off of okay the second (2"d) page or

whatever

MH: Sure and...and just so you know (inaudible) there all basically identical with the

exception of who's being served um, basically it's saylng your order to appear

KB: Okay

MH: Alternative may compty with providing these materials that are listed here

GT: And you don't have to go to our office

I(B: (inaudible) I see what you saying okay

MH: Correct, that's absolutely coffect and um

GT: This is a standard procedure with the subpoena (5:48) we do this with banks and

other folks we say if you dott't want to be bother showing up and bringing theses records

then just deliver them to this person and you can avoid the whole thing

MH: And that's me that's the person that's listed on the there um

IG: And this is another question that I have for you because I've never doubt with the

Attorney General's Office-before, so) um I don't understand why the tax returns why they

would have to nrn over the tax returns when you can subpoena those from the IRS

GT: No, we can not get them from the IRS

KB: Because the privacy act

GT: Right

lG: Okay, so


GT: There their business records accentually *rere personal business

KB: Right

GT: To get it through the IRS is very difficult to do because of the interest the federal

governrnent has in having people give up there personal information

KB: Right

GT: So they have voluntary tax compliance

I(B: Correct

GT: So normally we would do some if wanted to play hard ball with this we could of

done a search warrant on every bodies houses looking for this or gotten then from search

warrant from there accounts what we done is asked the officers to voluntary provide one

under seal under it's not gonna be made public and I don't see any reason why we

couldn't commined the cloie of the investigations as to certain particular people glingthem their (inaudible) all their copies back we're not really interested in obtain their

personal inftrmation we're interesied in looking at it for comparison with the other

iecords but as long as It's under the grand jury subpoena it's under seal

ffi: Okay so any thing that is said doesn't not get out doesn't go any where just stays

with

GT: Right

MH: That's correct and in fact um, as you may be aware of as a result of this grand jury

subpoena that I'm considering served on you now and that I've given it to you here um,

you-are not permitted to discuses our interview today our conversation with any one out

side the pre-counsel

GT: okay (73S1

MH: Obviously your wife is protected from that

AL: Sure

MH: But

KB: And a lot of these officers were already under ah admission not to talk about it by

their department so

MH: Right and Um

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KB: But of course they can talk with you guys

GT: Sure

lG: But I'm just saylng

MH: Well one in particular where checking to see

KB: that there not talking about it

MH: Hmm

GT: Right

KB: You know

GT: Yea, no, I will talk to Todd but I don't see why we can't work out a procedure whe19

by she's the only person that's gonna have access she's a lead agent and... and Todd

Liwson *re ProseCutor might see one we're really not interested in the details of your

charitable deductions and stuff but we need to get at this information at this information

in the cleanest simplest way is through this

IG: Okay but your...your main concern is um, now they don't have time slips that's all

stuff that's coming from the department so that's another concern when were looking at

this

MH: But some do retain copies of time slips some for example, when I was with the prior

agency I write it on the calendar, I keep ffack because I wanted to make sure I was

g.tti"g paid for the time that I Had worked and it isn't the do have is what we liked ifihey dbn't I'm not asking you to do that I can go to the deparunent I can do that

AL: Okay right

KB: Okay

MH: Okay does that make since

I(B: So their not gonna go to their deparffnent we're not required to go over there

MH: No maam

KB: Okay so okay and for the logs now um why..why are the ten ninety nine's (1099's)

Ah let me just read this to make sure

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GT: Because that is the independent contractors

KB: Yes and and I understand that but um okay so here's the federal if your looking at

what they are getting paid um, the ten ninety nine (L099) I can see is extreamly Vidal I

mean you need that and so we don't have a problem all with the ten ninety nine (1099)

but why the federal and state income tax

MH: Let me share some thing with you, okay um, I have someone telling me I (913)

KB: Umm

MH: okay, if so then you should have them..... In theory (overlapping)

KB: May be (overlapping)

MH: They should be in your returns as well

Kb: Right if

MH: You can say I never got one

I(B: Hmm

MH: Or this person may say well you know they were told how much umm so on so

forth

KB: Ok

MH: We need to show that a ten ninety nine (1099) was issued I'm not I'm not looking

that you know I'm not investigating a tax (inaudible) on your part Okay

KB: Okay

MH: Okay does that help

Kb: Yes

MH: umm what I'm looking at is to make sure that what I'm being told by this individual

I(B: Umm Hmm

MH: Is truly what has taken place and what was reported at this end because I'm not I'm

not even with certain yet if tirat individual reported to the IRS that these ten ninety nine

(1099) should have been issued does that mute sense?

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KB: Yes

MH: You these people pay this money you know I still got to pull all that picturetogether.

I(B: Okay

GT: And so talking to different witness there discrepancies and procedures and so some

people might have a ftlx reftlrn and not a 1099

lG: Right

GT: someone else might have a 1099 and got an extension that's hasn't filed their taxreturn. so

KB: Right, Okay

GT: so we put down all the alternatives that will help us and then what ever you've gotproduced and then I think things of the sensitively of the actual returns I think we couldwork out a procedure that will reassure every body that your getting it back and we'renot doing any thing else with it.

KB: Okay because you know a lot of these are married and their wives income is on thereand it has nothing to do and you know our concern is your going through you know

GT: No, NO

I(B: CPlt's and .... (Inaudible) (Overlapping)

MH: Right, and unfornrnately if I had (inaudible) search waffant on every officer's homethe wives information would be subject to even more (scrutiny) because their there Imean not that thats what we're looking for but we have to go through it to find whatwere looking for again we're tryrng to keep it as you know urrm and and the entire case

is under seal you know you haven't seen press release or any thing of that nanrre takeplace either we're really tryrng to keep every thing you know under twap as much as

possible if for no other reason to protect those who truly have

GT: So the search warrant affidavit is sealed umm there the defense attorney one of the

attorney's called me and wanted it and I said no there's reasons why its sealed and a lotof it is for the protection of the people who are caught up in this thing

KB: Right

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GT: We don't want a whole bunch of reporters chasing every phoenix cop around are

you one of those guys

KB: Yes.

GT: So

KB: Right, that's our concern as well so we're you also able to get the tax returns and the

um from George Conueras?

MH: Again our search waffant is under seal

GT: So we cttn t really

MH: I can't disclose to you any thing about Mister George Confferas

KB: You can't disclose what, what they provided you

MH: No Maam

KB: Okay alright so this is really a lot of these officers may be worked one time and so

I'm not just talking about um officer Lewis but I'm talking about every body else that I've

talked with um so it may be limited what we're providing to you

GT: That's fine

KB: Okay

GT: But all we want is each officer to say I do or don't have each one of these things if Ihave it here's my copy

KBL: Good, alright alright um

GT: And then Todd I will talk with Todd about working some thing out to return the umactual tax returns later because I can understand any body who would have a concernwith their tax returns floating around the government agency

MH: And there's nnro things on that one I don't want originals of any thing I only wantcopies of any of these documents that I'm requesting I don't want your originals Okay?

Um but two I'm not looking to see what for example I got a copy of one L099 thatsupposedly was issued to you I'm not tryrng to see but did you really claimed it that'snot my investigation that's not the scope or the focus of my investigation



KB: Right you're trytng to find out is that amount of money coinciding with what's over

here and I understand that okay, so, these officers are really officers that are providing

information to help you along with the other case

GT: Now I don't know who all you representing but I will have to say there are officers

other then George Contreras who are targets because of what we already know

KB: Okay

GT: But for the most part what we are tryrng to do is get to the bottom of how thatbusiness was ntn

KB: alright

MH: And and they'll explain more of that as we go along because there's been um and

Austin how long you been with the Phoenix police department

AL: seven (7) years

MH: Seven years so even in your seven years you've seen changes in how some of the offduty jobs the pay has change the things of that nature how it was paid and we wont get

into that I mean is the sErme list of questions for each officer um and depending on whatyour able to tell me you I mean I might have addition follow up question on it but

KB: Alright, okay


I(B: It does and um just to kind of close this little portion of preliminary

MH: Hmm sure

I(B: up a little bit um I don't understand and maybe you can educate me on this I don'tunderstand why the agents went to the home of the officers at night um and we have an

officer who missed son's last soccer game because they came to the home and they said

we need to talk to you officers are condition to help you guys

GT: I know

KB: And so he dropped every thing said Oh my goodness you know let me help you youknow um and missed the soccer game the last soccer game and I don't understand whywe can't do it tike this come in and talk to the investigators or the agents um during the

officers time instead of going to the homes with badges and guns their putting there kids

to bed their doing things

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MH: Okay, sorry I'm going to take a little bit of offense to that because we try to be very

low key yea we-have to *"ur our badge and our gun we try to very low key we try to be

very sen;itive to the fact that this is a home um if if that officer does not indicate to them

thai that was the case I apologize that he missed that um but we did try to do it I mean

again here there are logistical reasons why we (inaudible 1444) to do this in this matter

*. ft"a other investigitions turned over to us from other departments that um if we

went to the pre (1452) for examPle

KB: Um hmm

MH: to rry ro intenriew these gUys talk about a (rumor mill 1454) and all of a sudden

there looking at him like (uh1456) are you in trouble are you a target then he can talk

about it and you again truly we've been dornn before

KB: Okay

MH: It turns out to be the most sensitive way for the officer's behalf um you know again

if I mean in if you know once we're done with with officer Lewis um you know if you-

want to share that wittr me I mean I certainly would like to know because um because of

the

KB: Right

MH: the number of officers we.had to interview we did have set up interviewed teams

and um because of logistics on search warrants and so on we needed to try to get those

interviews done as quickly as we possibly could following um so you know all l can say is

that I apologize thit he missed his sons soccer game because that would that would

make me happy either but I certainly would articulate that at the moment and say im

headed so*" *h"re is there in opportunity and and if he did and they didn't

KB: I will find out yea

I know he did its (inaudible) actually a hockey game

MH: um hmm

KB: I'm sorry

AL:

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AL: He told hey can you follow me down to the rink and they said no we got to do this

here and now

MH: Well that's understandable

I(B: So (overlapping)

MH: from from my perspective I mean I I I wouldn't offer to follow some one down tothe rink either um

KB: And we can give you that information because it just seems you know we don't wantto abuse the relationship that you guys have and that prosecutors have with officers

because there is a relationship that

MH: but we are officers just don't forget that (overlapping)

I(B: and well in you office okay

MH: (inaudible)

KB: but I understand right

MH: Yea

I(B: But here's the thing you don't want to you know

GT: There's things that are better done in the privacy of somebodt's home then in the

full glare of other officers who may or may not be have there best interest In (heart

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KB: Okay

GT: And I will tell you that one of the reasons I'm in Arizona is because I worked as a inPhiladelphia and officers were subjected to pressures you can't even imagine in places

like that were there's old style political comrption

KB: Okay

GT: Officers courage in their their integrity was under attack all the time and that's one

of the reasons I left I got tire of cash based politics

ItB: Okay

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GT: I'm not saying Arizona is like that but it is much better for individual's officers stand

poinr and I'll ber some of them will tell this is they hear this explanation

IG: Right

GT: That they would rather be interviewed alone in the privacy of their home rather then

be on stage in front of their fellow officers not with all of those people not knowing what

they are talking about or what they are saylng

KB: Okay

GT: then it starts pressuring that officer in ways that we didn't want to subject them to

I(B: Okay alright

GT: And gMng the time pressures of this case we could not simply call every body up

and makJan appoinnnent they had to get to as many people as they could right away

KB: Alright, and they weren't provided information that hey you can have your attorney

present that's just some thing you don't do

MH: Nobody was ever (inaudible) they were not in custody it was entirely voluntary

I(B: Okay alright

MH: we can't you know the you know and the reality is you know being an officer myself

the whole hope of my heart is that there's no other officers are suspects and I want to

believe that every one of them is a witness

KB: Right

MH: Can I say a certainly that this juncture no I have to rule everything out so that I can

make sure that because I mean and um do you mind if I call you Austin?

AL: No

MH: Austin you probably seen this you go to interview a suspect and what's the first

rhing they're doing their pointing fingers at every body else you know their trying to lay

ttre Utame other pi"."r and so we want to be able to take that away so that if we're able

to move forward with the case they can't go up on the stand and we can discredit want

thelre tyrng to say

KB: So is it is it fraud that your looking at

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MH: I will tel| you fraud is the primary focus of this investigation yes and and just toexplain further the reason we have the case um is because there were some things

diicover within the departrnent and they realized they should not be investigating their

own so it was referred over as a conflict case

KB: Okay so but you didn't receive and statements um from the deparunent right

MH: Absolutely not they have started an internal and I had no knowledge of of who even

they interviewed unless someone is told me obviously I can (inaudible 1840) was

beeause he's told are agents I told me not to talk to anyone before that I had no clue that

I had talked to him

KB: Okay alright so at your your list of officers are not coming from the department

MH: That's not true that's not ffue

KB: Oh Okay

MH They are able to provide documents

KB: Okay (overlapping)

MH: And records that's all they can provide me

KB: I see okay just not the statements because the security protected

MH: Correct

IG: Okay

GT: Exactly and we do handle a lot of cases where (inaudible) is involved we know that

MH: Yea

KB: Okay

MH: And so I walked a real fine line um or I shouldn't say fine line I mean a real solid

line in regards to um they call and say hey this may come up or this person may want to

come a in fact one officer wanted to come a voluntary statement they said can we give

that to you I said absolutely not I don't want anyone interview I don't even want to know

about

KB: Okay



MH: Um records that they've collected in the course of their investigation you know

police departrnent records and things of that nature obviously they provide

KB: Right

MH: and then I've left to follow up with my subpoenas and so on from there so

GT: and then in the same way we're not its not a two way street at all this is basically a

Chinese wall other than the production of documents she's doing an independent

investigation they're doing an independent investigation they're not sharing

IG: Okay

GT: So

I(B: Alright

GT: And at some smge we may need to go back and share some information with them

but right now this is a totally separate investigation if there's any doubt in any bodies

mind

I(B: Alright

MH: One thing we did do just out of courtesy because we knew that we rumor mills

would fly is when we executed our search warrants my chief contacted a commander

with Phoenix PD just to say search warrants were executed or actually we were on scene

once we were in and part of that was officers safety issues we didn't have Phoenix PD as

particular we have uniforms go you know we're in our fuIl raid gear but we have a

uniform march unit assists us on search warrants

lG: Okay

MH: From obvious reasons we didn't use Phoenix PD we used DPS um and so its and

they didn't even know that we were doing it they I mean they speculated they wouldeventually but they didn't know when and such until we contacted them and then again

that's just ah if you know were ah Georges Store is

AL: Yea

MH: Okay nor far from the (pre stink2}47) officers up and dovrm cenffal often

anticipated um and we're concern we might have media and or phoenix officers arrive

tryrng to find out what's up

KB: Right



MH: And um we knew that that would fall back to the phoenix PDIO as well as

somebody from Phoenix PD is calling somebody saylng what's going on

I(B: RightAL: Right

MH: So that was just a courtesy call out we're executing search walTants this is where we

are

KB: Right

MH: and thats not uncommon (inaudibte 2109) we let the agency know but we usually

let them know a day ahead of time but obviously for reasons um

GT: Right

MH: You know

KB: Right okay

MH: We didn't tell we were there so

ffi: Okay alright

GT: I got of go back in to my interview

KB: Okay

GT: So um I'm just down the hall if you something comes up and you need to come 8etme you know where I am

MH: Yes maam

KB: Okay thank you

MH: Thanks Gail. Alright and if Austin you Have any questions before we start

AL: No Maam

MH: Okay, Its preffy straight forward two three pages list but takes typically less then

thirty minures io get through um and if is there something you don't recall which very

well may happen because we're going back a littte bit that's fine just tell me okay


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AL: Okay

MH: UM okay is it correct you're employed as a police officer with the City of Phoenix

Police Department?

AL: Yes Maam

MH: okay and I asked you earlier when you started and I believe you said two thousand

one

AL: Ah I think its 01 yea like

MH: Okay okay

AL: the end of 01

MH: The end of 0L

AL: Yea

MH: Okay is that when you went to the academy or you graduated

AL: I think I graduated September of 0L

MH: Okay and my understanding is six months is is off from uaining? lVhen can you

start doing off dutY?

AL: I think uaffic is six months after graduation and then security is a year

MH: Like a year after

AL: After like after you are off probation

MH: Okay and thafs what I was tryrng to recall you see I don't take many notes I go back

and refer to ffanscript and not all of my interviews are transcribed yet (laughs) um okay

so and do you know George Contreras

AL: Yes

MH: How do you know George?

AL: He was an officer (inaudible 2246)

MH: Okay have you heard of a business called Raptor Services?


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AL: Yes Maam

MH: And what do you know about Raptor Services?

AL: It was George Confferas off duty business

MH: And when you say off duty business can you tell me what that means what You

know of that

AI: Um he used Raptor Services I guess he coordinated a lot off duty and that's I don't

know exactly what why he created a business to do it but that's what he used um tomanage his off duty

MH: Okay um and you said he coordinated a lot of jobs um my understanding was he

served as an off duty coordinator for the south mountain (2327) does that sound coffect

um and um you have worked in an off dury capaciry providing security service for under

under George's coordination is that correct

AL: Yes Maam

MH: Okay do you remember what jobs it would've been I mean those that you can recall

AL: I remember I worked some the tovrm home jobs for him um he had one I don't know

the address but it was grand street

MH: Ah Grand ParkApartments?

AL Yea I don't remember the address

MH: Um hm

AL: Umm he coordinated some seasonal high things like ah Cinco de Mayo rype stuff ah

it was some of those jobs that weren't steady like that

MH: um hm

AL: Ah I rhink I worked (inaudible 2420) an off duty jobs in um it at7227 S Central thatcomplex where his Guitar shop is

MH: Okay

AL: I-worked that may two or three times um that's all I can remember that I worked forhim

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MH: Okay you said the tovrn homes um have you ever heard of that called the cotton

center

AL: YeaMH: Okay um let?s do this um what was the last off duty job you worked under George's

coordinator do you recall the most recent

AL: I remembered another one just now

MH: Okay that's fine

AL: He had a circle K job ah 35 avenues and buckeye

MH: That's rights that's right thats were I stopped

AL: Probably that One

MH: That one?

AL: I think that's probably the last one that one or the 7227 S Central

MH: Okay

AL: I'm not sure which one it was

MH: Um do you know what George's current work statue is in regards to Phoenix Police

Departrnent?

AL: As far as I know he's not employed by the Ciry of Phoenix

MH: Do you have any Idea when that took place?

AL: A couple months ago I don't know

MH: Okay

AL: To be honest with you

MH: When do you think the last job was when you worked under George Roughly?

AL: I say probably close to a year ago now


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MH: Okay um of all the office duty jobs that you worked where George Contreras was

the coordinator have you been paid in full for every job that you worked to you

knowledge

AL: Yea to best of my Ihowledge I have

MH: Okay did you ever have times when maybe your pay was delayed longer then you

felt it should have been

AL: Um not in the like extended amount maybe a week or two

MH: Okay

AL: That would probably be the longest

MH: Did you were you issued ever any checks um under George's coordination again

that where return NSF not sufficient funds?

AL: Ah no

MH: No okay and um well talk about each specific job as the best as you can recall

AL: Okay

MH: Um let's talk about um let's talk about Cotton Center

AL: Okay

MH: Okay roughly do you remember what time frame you might of worked that job

frame and about how many times may be?

AL: It's a long time ago

MH:Iknowlknow

AL: Um I think I worked it nvice a month

MH: Okay

AL: Ah I don't know if it was from the beginning to the end um the time frame when I

started and when I ended I have no Idea

MH: Okay that's fine um do remember you said you worked it a couple times a month do

you recall if it was during the summer, winter anything like that


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AL: I don't remember the time when when it started when it ended to be honest with you

MH: And your serial number is 7474 right?

AL: Yes MaamMH: Okay let me just look this is um this is a spread sheet of some information inregards ro Cotton Center specifically um it's not all in (inaudible 2722) but its pretty

close okay I'm showing like may be December 05 does that sound familiar

AL: It's when it started

MH: It well you have started before then but I'm showing like ah December 5 05 26 05

AL: Honestly it's been so long

MH: Sure

AL: I don't know

MH: Okay

AL: But that sounds right if that's what the department records say then it'll probably be

accurate

MH: Okay um so it looks like the first date I see on here um and again its not all in(inaudiblez7i4) but in regards to this December of 05 and then October of 06 so you

may have done it for about a year does that sound

AL: December to October

MH: but then again I'm just asking you to recall

AL: I honestly don't remember how long it went

MH: Okay that's fine no that's fine sure

AL: But I remember I worked maybe a couple times a month

MH: Okay and and when you worked that job um how many officers worked that job atone time

AL: I believe it was nryo


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MH: Two okay and was a vehicle a marked patrol vehicle used for that job

AL: Yes

MH: okay and um regards to do you remember working that job alone

AL: Alone?

MH: Ah ha without another officer with you

AL: No

MH: Okay um I'm gonna throw some names out and if you just tell me if you remember

working the job with these officers again I'm just tryrng to verify some records

AL: Okay

MH: Um and and again you may not recall if you recall great if not I'm now um one willbe your brother Jacob Lewis

AL: Yea

MH: Okay Erin Lince

AL: Yes

MH: Robert Mackeny

AL: Um no

MH: Don't think so

AL: I don't know I may have

MH: Sure no that's fine no sure that's fine

AL: I don't remember specifically (inaudible 2904)

MH: Jed Fisher

AL: No I don't remember working with him

MH: Okay Charles Holten

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AL: Ya I think I worked with Charles

MH: Okay Howard Pasifico

Al: I don't know

MH: Okay um Brian Walker

AL: No I don't know that one

MH: Bill Gales

AL: No

MH: Okay and again I'm just uylng to verify if some of the records I received are correct

or not and so um and then lieutenant flrrisi

AL: I don't remember working with him

MH: Okay yea we usually remember when we (inaudible2938)

AL: Yea

MH: yea we usually remember those alright um do you recall and again we're doing the

stretch here do you recall how much you were paid an hour for that job

AL: I believe that was a 45 dollar job

MH: Ok and do you remember what the shifu were like in regards to um beginning

ending time length of time for each shifts

AL: I don'r remember beginning and ending times at all but I think they were eight hours

shifts that I worked

MH: Okay um my understanding was 8 hour shifts during the week and 10 hour shifts

during the weekend nights

AL: I think ar that time I was calling the (inaudible g022) where I worked on weekends

so

MH: which would make sense so yea you would recall the B hours (inaudibe3024) um

do you recall when you stopped working that job

AL: Ah I think it's just whenever we we're quit having officer's there

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MH: Yea I heard that they acttrally went to private security service or something

AL: Yea

MH: At some one point okay um sorry do you remember if you ever worked in base onlooking at this I don't see any but you might remember if you ever worked any holidays?

AL: I have I have no idea

MH: Well let me ask this I mean maybe this will help you remember do you remember ifyou ever gor um paid double time for working that job or if it was always straight time

AL: (inaudible 3112)

MH: Okay and this is kind of where some of those records help come in um because we

can calculate the hours into the pay that assuming you received a 1099 um

AL: Sure

MH: You know that it would and (I didn't see any holidays on here your all around the

holidays it looks like 3228) um for the most part and most people with families choose

not to so um alright in regards to the patrol vehicle oh let me back up did you respond

directly ro this site or did you respond somewhere else and then go to the site forexample

AL: Ah huh

MH: You responded directly to the site

AL: oh okay


AL: So you're asking where I showed up to start my shift

MH: Correct

AL: The station

MH: Okay and was that because you had to go check out the vehicle

AL: Yea


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MH: okay that's basically what I've been told so I'm just to (inaudiable3206)

AL: Yea vehicle (inaudi1be3206) and I had to get dressed there you know I don't drive

around in my uniform in a patrol in my personal vehicle and

MH: Okay and what was the process for checking out a vehicle do you recall

AL: Ah I think you just went in there and said we need a vehicle for off duty and the(inaudiblesz2l) will provide you with whatever vehicle was available

MH: Okay um and do you and this you may not know have you ever coordinated an offduty job

AL: No

MH: Ok so are you aware whether or not the client is bitled for the use of that vehide

AL: I was told that they are

MH: Okay rwo officers in the vehicle although I been I been in that location I understand

that need I don't know if your familiar with 446 street and Broadway

r(3: (3249)

MH: Um I had I (drove pursuits3250) through there it's not fun

AL: It's actually calmed down a lot

MH: It has

AL: Since we were there

MH: It really has

AL: Since this went on

MH: No that is coffect

AL: I worked that area my entire career so

MH: Have you bless your heart

AL: I seen the a great change in

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MH: Sure

AL: In the torun homes

MH: I been over there with um gang task force before and it's not a fun place use to be

any ways I haven't been down there for a number of years I been up here for 4 years

AL: It's change greatly

MH: yea um okay so and again we're still talking abut the Cotton Center um you go to

the job um did you have to complete any kind of 1og when you were on that job

AL: I remember there was a book and I think it was kept at the station you had to get

one when you got the car um it was like you filled out who you contacted or um like ifyou made an arrest you know they want basically want people w-ho employed us want to

ltro* what we were doing so we can have something along that line so kept us kept

them inform of our active duties

MH: Okay and was there any where that you um completed a time sheet or anything ofthat nature to show what hours you were on site

AL: I don't remember doing a time sheet

MH: Okay was it was it um I mean can you think of anywhere that that would have been

indicated

AL: lVhat do you mean indicated?

MH: Well here let me give you a hypothetical lets say im the coordinator

AL: Ah huh

MH: And um part of my responsibilities I invoice the client

AL: ah huh

MH: And I invoice the client for 10 hours when tmly an officer was only required to be

there for 8

AL: oh

MH: Is there anywhere where the client would know this officer was here these hours

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AL: Um not that I know of I believe this is just a generalization of how all my off duties is

coordinator tells me when and where to be there and I show up there

MH: um hm okay when you go um on site or when you come on duty for an off duty job

do you check off with dispatch at all on the air

AL: That's our policy now I don't I don't know that it was back then its changed recently I

believe but um yea you are require to go to on of our information channels and let them

know where and where your gonna be and for how long

MH: Sure do you recall when that got instated you said it was recently

AL: I would say probably a year year in a half some where in that neighborhood

MH: And I heard that before and it surprises me a little bit for officer safety reasons ifnothing else I mean they like to think they know you're but um

AL: I don't (inaudible 3537) yea

MH: I was always required to begin with my agency I just go back to what I was

(inaudib1e3540) we always checked off on air and we let them know where and checked

off so they you went home safe but

AL: Yea

MH: Yea um

AL: We're still not required to check off

MH: Really

AL: Just on just let them that we moved from here to here and I guess they just assume ifyou don't call your gone home safety.

MH: Sure well you probably tell them when you check on you tell the ending time ofyour shift

AL: Yea

MH: Yea yea there's no red button and no contact that's probably a good thing um

AL: Especially if you're off duty (3605)

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MH: um Okay and for the Cotton Center job do you recall um how you were paid forthat

AL: Um by check

MH: Okay and do you recall who the check was drawn form

AL: I I believe um there was like three (inaudibleg627) associations in there that's what Iremember and the were kind of splitting the cost and that the checks were coming fromthose homeowners associations

MH: Okay and they came to you directly

AL: Yea

MH: Okay do you recall that ever changing

AL: Through George Obviously

MH: Oh I'm sorr5z through George

AL: Yea like they would he would get checks and them just disperse them

MH: okay so they were the checks made payable to you as an individual

AL: Yea

MH: Or were they made payable to

AL: Thats what I recall

MH: Ok but it was like a raptor services check for that job

AL: not that I recall

MH: Okay and so I'm guessing you don't recall that ever changing during that time frame

AL: Not that I remember

MH: Okay um do you remember how often you got paid for that job


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AL: No

MH: okay and there was a uniform job obviously

AL: Oh yea

MH: Okay um okay let's talk about grant Parker Park

AL: Okay

MH: Okay um again same kind of questions do you remember the time rough time frameyou worked that job

AL: Um like the days and hours

MH: Um no like (knock on the door)

AL: because I don't

MH: Um excuse me just for one minute

AL: No problem

MH: Okay um grant park apartrnents um know what I mean is like um worked in may be

2005 20662007

AL: Um I don't recall

MH: don't recall okay um and obviously you don't work that job any longer is thatcorrect

AL No

MH: Okay do you remember when the last time you might of worked that job

AL: No

MH: Okay um do you remember any if the hours or the days of the week that that jobwas offer

AL: I believe they where all various cause they kind of wanted to keep the people thatlive there guessing

MH: Sure



AL: \Mhen we were going to be there

MH: Sure and that's not unusual um do you recall (grade3823) of paid for that job

AL: NoMH: Okay and again do you recall ever being paid double time or time in a half for anyholidays or any thing of that nature

AL: No

MH: Okay do you recall if you worked any holidays

AL: NO

MH: Okay how many officers worded that job?

AL: Two

MH: That was a two officer job as well

AL: Yes

MH: Okay was a vehicle required for that job

AL: No

MH: Okay um and that job was there a log for that one as well

AL: Ah yes

MH: Okay

AL: there was on that was kept at the station you were required to get because it had akey in it that got you into the office

MH: Okay

AL: And then you signed it and I think there was a log or like a stack of sheet like whatyou did

MH: UM HM

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AL: Why you were there those were kept in the office so when I started that shift I had

to start same thing respond to the station

MH: Sure

AL: To get the lock and the key and then 8o down there and then the

know take it backMH: Okay you mention there was an office on location on that site

same thing you

was that office

provided for you Suys to use

AL: Yea the desk area

MH: Okay was there an office in cotton center also available for you to use

AL: Um I know we had access to it but I don't recall going in it more then a couple times

to ah I don't even know what we did in it I think there's a bathroom in there is what itwas

MH: Sure okay um and again same question do you recall if you checked on and off withdispatch with that job

AL: I don't know if it was required at that time

MH: okay um do you remember how you were paid for that job who paid you

AL: I believe that was a Raptor Services check

MH: Okay and so that was a raptor services check um do you remember who signed

those checks

AL: I would assume George but I to tell you I looked at it and

MH: Sure

AL: And noted that um yea I can't say that

MH: Sure um do you remember how frequently he paid you for that job

AL: Um I didn't work it like on a steady base

MH: um hm

AL: So I don't really remember um exactly when he need a filI in or something I'd you

know I would go over there but I don't recall ever getting a steady paycheck for for it



MH: Okay and your understanding where this job was aranged to phoenix police

deparunent

AL: ya

MH: Cotton cenrer job was that arranged through the phoenix police departrnent

AL: Yea

MH: Okay um and did grant park apartments was that also uniformed

AL: Yes

MH: any of the we'll just get this question out the way were any of the jobs that you

recall working for off duty security services ever plain cloths

AL: I don't think that's allowed by ciry of phoenix

MH: Okay and you don't know if it was or not

AL: No I don't think it is allowed

MH: Okay

AL: You have to be uniformed

MH: Okay

AL: I never worked plain cloths I'11 tell you that

MH: we some times get called to do something but it's usually security details for

AL: yea

MH: getting (inaudible4l18) or silly things but

KB: your not

AL: I don't think we are

MH: Thank you um okay grant park apartment you say you worked some time seasonal

stuff like um the cinco ae mayo -

AL: Ya



MH: tell me do remember about where the location about where that was because Iknow there's a couple different ones that go on around the same time

AL: um I know I worked one at it's by the central city (inaudible) park

MH: Um hmmAL: I worked that one

MH: Is that the that's the one over by Food City

AL: Yes

MH: Okay

AL: And I worked a couple different events and I think one was a I think there was

maybe there's one im not sure um that's over um I think its called Galvin parkway I'mnot real familiar with the east side of town by it's over by the zoo there's a big

MH: OH

AL: Parking lot over there

MH: Yea I heard about that one um by the the (4206)

AL: Yea there's a baseball stadium I said I'm not real familiar with that side of town but itwas over by the zoo in know that

MH: Okay was that a Cinco de Mayo event or was that called something else

AL: I think it was I know it was Spanish

MH: Sure

AL: um deal there was a bunch of bands from Mexico um I don't remember if it was

exactly Cinco de Mayo or something else

MH: Okay um well let's just talk about the Cinco de Mayo um the one that you talkabout by Food City by the park was that um was that job coordinated by George I thinkyou said

AL: Yea



MH: It was earlier yea okay and um do you remember may be what year you might ofworked obviously I going to assume it was around May 5

AL: Yea I don't remember I think I worked one that was down town too one time for him

MH: Did you

AL: YeaMH: So this being 2008 um do you recall if in 2007 last year you worked at one of those

events

AL: I think I did but I'm not sure I think that might have been the one on Galvin Park

way

MH: Oh Okay okay um okay and I'm guessing if I go back even further it's going

AL: Oh yea

MH: to give you (inaudible43l6) sure no that's fine that's fine do you remember um

what the rate of pay would of been

AL: I don't

MH: Inaudible 432I

AL: I mean I could guess but it wouldn't be an accurate

MH: Um any recollection of hours or days for that job

AL: No I'm sorry

MH: That's okay

AL: They usually couple days like Friday, Saturday or Saturday, Sunday

MH: Sure was it a sUaight time or if you got any time of double time

AL: No I don't think I ever got double time for that

MH: Okay um and this is gonna be a big jump do you remember how many officers

worked that job I

AL: I know there was a lot

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MH: Okay

AL: Um they're require to

MH: (inaudible43s3)

AL: Yea and there was one (inaudible43ss)I worked one or two where they actually had

to have a lieutenant or sergeant its all set out by the departrnent how many people are

going to be there how many officers they need

MH: Sure sure um do you recall that job utilized marked patrol vehicles

AL: I don't know if they did or didn't

MH: Okay and that one do you recall if you responded to the precinct or directly to the

site

AL: I think those were just direcdy to the site

MH: Okay do you recall if you checked off to the dispatch

AL: No

MH: Okay do you recall who paid you for that job

AL: Um where the check came from

MH: Yea

AL: I don't recall

MH: Okay um did that job require any kind of log of your day's activities or anything ofthat nature

AL: No it was just one of those services when I need you here show up this date this time

MH: Sure okay

AL: Circle K

MH: Sure you're moving west before I got there okay um Circle k Um do you remember

the rough frame you might of worked that job

AL: I stopped working it I think somewhere around October of last year



MH: Actually no I thought I had you on this one

AL: when I stopped I gave it to my little brother so

MH: Got chaAL: So when he stated working was when I stopped working

MH: And you said about October of last year

AL: I think that's what it was

MH: That a pretty good guess from what this is just some information I have from um a

check that I saw had been written and it was to Jake for 1" October who worked at

Circle K I don't have you on this list at because this is a short snap shot If you will of a

time frame um did you respond directly to the job

AL: Yep

MH: Okay how manY officers?

AL: One

MH: And a patrol vehicle

AL: No

MH: Okay um do you remember the hours and days on that one

AL: Long

MH: Standing on at truck stand it could be

AL: I think it was a 10 hour job

MH: Okay

AL: I think it started around 8 I'm guessing I don't remember exactly

MH: Bam

AL: Bpm to 6 7I think that's what it was

MH: Okay

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AL: That's a guess though

MH: that's fine do you remember the rate of pay

AL: I think then when I worked it was 35 bucks an hourMH: Okay do you remember if you worked any holidays?

AL: No

MH: Do you remember ever getting double time

AL: NO

MH: okay um any kind of log

AL: Um I think there was a sign in sheet there

MH: At circle K okay and do you remember how you were paid for that job

AL: Um usually we were paid with a cashiers check from Circle K and then I think itswitched um part way through my time there to where George was paying you

MH: Okay so you were given (enesially4708) a cashiers check from Circle K how often

did rhat happen

AI: 'When you completed your shift

MH: So each day that you worked you got it at the end of your shift

AL: Yea

MH: And them um what did you do with that cashiers check

AL: they would write you a cashiers check you would sign it give it to them and then

they would pay you

MH: give you a cashier overlaPPed

AL: From there yea a cashier check

MH: okay do you remember if they issued you 1099's

AL: I don't know



MH: Okay

AL: I think they did but I'm not positive

MH: okayAL: To be honest with you all of those things 8o to my wife and I

MH: I hear that a lot actually um and you said at one point it switched do you remember

roughly when it switched to Raptor Services

AL: Honestly I don't have no idea

MH: Okay and um

AL: I think it was after tax session because there was some kind of discrepancy of time

money on peoples what they were claim because what the Circle K clerks likes to do is

write like if you slip a shift

MH: Um hmm

AL: they would pay you out and you would just with the

MH: The cashiers check

AL: Thankyou

MH: Um hmm

AL: and then you would. you would just give the guy who relieved you his money and

then he would sign the log and they said there was some kind of discrepancy between

the Circle K was *ittg the money orders and then they were suppose to be using the log

so every bodies taxes were corect but

MH: Sure and and I've heard that I've heard that as well which is part of the reason we

do 1099 and taxes because my understanding is some 1099 were issued incorrectly for

example if you got a L099 for a whole shift and I can't really do part time well your

payrng taxes on my pay

AL: Correct

MH: So

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AL: t think that's why ah they went to George payrng people instead of doing it the other

way because people were complaining that there taxes were wrong

MH: Okay how frequently did you get paid why was it George or Raptor Services I know(inaudiable49II)

AL: YeaMH: I understand but the check was issued by Raptor Services

AL: Yea

MH: Okay and do you remember how frequently he paid you for the Circle K job

AL: I don't recall

MH: Okay did he pay you every shift at like Circle K (inaudibte4922) ot

AL: AH no I think that there was a you know you worded it and he would pay you later

MH: Okay okay you just don't recall

AL: If it was a week or two weeks I don't recall what it was

MH: Okay do y-ou recall if he issued you a well um a 1"099 for that job

AL: AH I don't know if he did or Circle K did

MH: Okay I got and I don't know I found a copy of a 1099 issued by Raptor Services its

for L730 dollars um do you remember ever seeing this 1099 you might I understand

AL: Um I don't recall honestlv for 06

MH: Sure

AL: lVhatever I mean my tux guy has a copy of they're require to keep a copy of all this

stuff right

MH: Yea that's assuming he actually gave you a copy

AL: Oh Okay

MH: that's something else I'm tqnng to determine

AL: Yea I don't I would have to check my records


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MH: Sure um you know the fact that he may have had some in his possession doesn't

mean that every body got them

AL: I see what you're saylng

MH: So does that make sense

AL: Yea

MH: Um so I can't tell by this what work it would have been for either

AL: Correct

MH: It could have been a number of different jobs

AL: Yea

MH: So and I get thar but um so well obviously you know what a lA99looks like but you

wont know I'm guessing just as I don't if it's for a specific job

AL: Yea I wouldn't know it would be what ever he paid me out of his Raptor Services I

would guess

MH: Sure do you recall at the Circle K job if you checked on the air and off the air withthe dispatch

AL: I don't know I think towards that end of my time there that's when it started

MH: Okay um

AL: I'm not sure

MH: And do you on that job for example now once George took over Raplo1 Services

was issuing you the pay um it had been explained to me that the reason he did that was

um to alleviate some of the 1099 problems

AL: Yea

MH: So if you were originally signed up for the B hour shift 10 hour shift I'm sorry you

said 10 hours was a long shift

AL: Yea

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MH: Um and lets say that um that jack came in to relive you half way through the shift

how

AL: Atr hmm

MH: How does George know that that happened?

AL: I would say that he would keep a record of of who worked when and what he owed

MH: But how is he notified does he take it directly from the log do you Suys contact him

in some way how would he know who should have been there when and who should be

paid for what hours

AL: I don'r know if he used the log or if it's just me calling saylng hey I'm gonna work a

half shift and this is who's working the other half

MH: Okay so there's no formal process like a time sheet you had to give to him or any

thing of that nature

AL: No

MH: Other than the log

AL: Other than the log it was at the store

MH: Sure so if you guys split a shift you know in theory

AL: We need to let him know

MH: Jake would come in and sign in the log sayrng he was working you know he was

working you know twenty hundred hours to one hundred and he's working 0L00-0600

AL: Yea

MH: And you guys are that would be in the log

AL: Sure

MH: Okay um I think that's enough about Circle K lets talk about 7227 S Central you

worked a lot of jobs that s why its taking so long

AL: I got a lot of kids

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MH: Understood I get it I get It um when you worked tell me about the job because I've

I've um not its not ieally been explained to me what that job entailed um I know there's

a Food City in the strip mall does that sound correct

AL: Yea

MH: Okay tell me a little bit more

AL: Um basically just being visible um there's a cannel that runs behind it and there was

a lot of vegans ihlt *.t. **ittg out of there and ask for change and kind of bother the

customers in the parking lot so basically it was a uniform visual present to deter crime

and to keep those the people thy didn't want in there parking lot out

MH: Sure um to you remember roughly the hours and days for that job

AL: No that's one of those that he called me hey um somebody cancelled can you come

MH: Okay

AL: Fill in for them

MH: Because I know sometimes for example um you may sign up and have you know

each week you're gonna be working those separate times this was just kind of a

AL: Yea when ever he called and it was available to fill in

MH: Okay do you remember the rough time frames that you worked this job when may

be your first day and last day

AL: Oh time frames no

MH: No

AL: I would say that I quit working at probably close to the same time I quit working

Circle K because ah I kind of stopped working for George around the same time all at the

same time because I got some different off duty jobs

MH: Okay and so there were no reasons that you quit working off duty jobs for George

other than you had other off duty jobs opportunities

AL: Better paylng steady off duty


MH: Okay um you said this was kind he called you spare the moment kind of on call

kind (5427)you know do you remember about what hours they usually had someone inthere

AL: I usually like to work it because it would be on a day that I worked

MH: Ah hmm

AL: I like when I got off work just drive over there and I think it was 4 hours I don't

remember how much the pay was um but I woutd just come over for the four hours like

after work

MH: Sure um and so about how late will someone be there

AL: if it was a four hour I think it was until you know I got off at four I punched out at

like 430 and then 8 830 some where in that neighborhood

MH: Okay I think most of the stores in there none of them are 24 hours are there

AL: Not that I know of

MH: I don't think so I don't recall that they are either

AL: I didn't work it enough to know

MH: Sure do you ever remember if you got paid double time for that job

AI: No

MH: Okay um and how many officers worked that job at a time

AL One

MH: One Okay was there a vehicle required

AL: No

MH: Okay um then you responded directly to site

AL: Yes

MH: Okay um was there any kind of log or any thing kept for that job

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AL: There was a few times I worked it there was a sign in shot sheet in Georges Guitar

shop

MH: Okay and did you have to sign out also

AL: Ah I don't think there was a sign out it was just like a you would sign In and then

kind of like an activity sheet what you did if contacted anybody ah graffiti was kind ofbig thing in the back of the store if you saw any graffiti and stuff like that

MH: Sure so that's how George would know who to pay is based on that log does thatsound correct

AL: SureMH: Okay um do you recall who paid you for that job

AL: That was a Raptor Services check

MH: Okay and do you remember how often

AL: like I said I worked it (5636)

MH: Sure you don't recall having any real problems getting a paycheck though for any ofthe jobs you worked under Raptor Services

AL: NO

MH: Okay um did you check on and off air with dispatch for that job do you recall

AL: I don't recall when that came into place

MH: Okay and I know that seems redundant but

AL: I Know

MH: I think you get it and this job was coordinated by the phoenix police department

though

AL: Yea I assumed it was that's how off duty is acquired

MH: Sure and and I think there are orders that say if you work as a phoenix police

officer

AL: Each job has to be assign a job number through the department

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MH: Yea that's my under standing also uniformed

AL: Yes

MH: And you mention that they all have to uniformed

AL: Yes

MH: And you mention they all have to be uniformed a okay um a few more questions umdo you recall ever leaving a job earlier then the ending time of the shift

AL: NO

MH: Okay um can you think of any reasons an officer would have to leave the site duringthe shift

AL: Um are we speaking about any job specifically

MH: Um we can let's talk about Cotton Center um why an officer would need to leave

that site during that shift

AL: Um well we were require to we made eurest here

MH: Sure

AL: Routinely

MH: Right

AL: Ah we would leave to um you know one row bookings those kinds of things

MH: Okay if you had to pull a DR where would you do you report writing for that forthat site

AL: Um inaudible58lg I mean I'm I would probably do it on rny cell phone or the landline some where

MH: Um hmm so you would utilize the calling reports

AL: Yea

MH: I never (inaudibles83l) people in Phoenix that don't

AL: I don't type well do



MH: You realize other agencies are very jealous of that opportunity

AL: Yea

MH: Um I had an officer tell me that he did you ever work that with George

AL: I think I did once or maybe nnrice I don't

MH: Okay do you think you recall if George said to you part with this shift hey lets justgo we're done

AL: Ah yeaMH: you would recall if he would say that

AL: I'm pretty sure

MH: Do you ever recall him saying that

AL: NO

MH: Okay um

AL: You're talking about like an excessive amount of time like hey we been here a whileIets just go

MH: Sure part way through the shift prior to the end of the shift

AL: No I don't remember any thing like that

MH: Okay um does it seem correct that and fair that at an end of a shift you knowobviously you need to leave the site 15 minutes earlier so 20 minutes something like thatI mean how long would you say it take for you to leave the shift get back get the car

checked so that you can end yourjob

AL: Um I would say the condition of the car would probably vary I mean if you have toget gas and that kind of stuff um its kind of a ways from there I would say 20 25 minsome where in there

MH: Okay can you see what would be a reason an officer would need to leave there an

hour or more before the end of the shift

AL: UM I don't know I mean being a father I can think of a thousand reasons but

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MH: Sure but one officer said yea I was sick and that makes sense

AL: That's what I'm saying I can think of a thousand reasons being a dad but um

MH: But a legitimate police reason business can you see any thing there

AL: No

MH: Okay um and then one last question and this one kind of bites but I have to ask it toyour knowledge have you ever been paid for hours that you did not work for an off duty

security job

AL: No

MH: Okay that's what I would guess but I have to ask the question of each person um

again for no other reason to contradict with someone else may say so um let me just

glace through my notes I think that was it

AL:Ihaveaquestion

MH: Absolutely go ahead

AL: um number 3 on the attachment

MH: Refresh me please

AL: I'm sorry

MH: A list of the client's names and jobs for all okay

AL: from about 3 down I would have none of that

MH: Okay and if you can just any thing that you do recall this is not a you can write

down for example the things you've talked to me about you can write those down on the

list or things that you don't doc because this aren't asking for necessary documents here

other than here copy of conesponding and such these are things that you recall um and

things that you don;t have or don't reiall I just need something addressing that saying I

don't have it or I don't recall

AL: This something t)?e something out saying

MH: Absolutely and (inaduible10144) by yea

KB: Well we'll work together on that

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MH: Inaudible Kathryn for that

AL: Okay

MH: SO

AL: And like I said I would no where

KB: Time slips logs yea he wouldn't have those

AL: Your saytng you need my taxes I'11 have to talk to my wife or my tax gpy

MH: Sure and if you have any questions I mean I would suggest you know your

represented have Kathryn call me if you have any questions if she's comfortable with you

.allitrg me your welcome to call me but um yea its not meant to be honorees um

AL: Well I guess my one question what if I can't find them

MH: Then you just

lG: We just put that down

MH: Just tell me I can't find them

AL: Okay

MH: Okay and you know and again I probably by the time I'm down um times slips I'mprobably couple versions because probably only two places I'm gonna find those logs

similar situation um copies of paychecks you know what some times people keep there

paystubs or sometimes people do you know but at the very least um you know people

would keep calendars and things of that nature that can tell them you know these items

so

AL: Okay

IEg: Maybe if you don't not every body does but if you did you would be able to produce

them

MH: Yea

AL: Okay

MH: Not every body does but I' am finding inaudible a lot of officers do

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KB: Yea that's good I mean

AL: Probably should

KN: You really y probably should just to protect your self

MH: Absolutely okay and

I(B: That's not something they cover in the academy

MH: They cover documenting in detail I do recall that

I(B: On duty

MH: I finished first in my class so

KB: On duty not off dury

MH: No they we got a little bit yea I was going to say what is off duty so I'm sorry do you

have any other questions for me

AL: No

MH: No, times is now about L405 hours I'm gonna turn this off

STATE OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERALSPECI.AI II{VESTIGATIONS SECTION


DATE WRITTEN: November 18, 2008

CASE NAIvIE: SW200B-003139

NUItfiBER: P002 2007-003090

REPORT TWE: Transcripdon of lnterview-Andrew Hoenigman

AGENT: M. Hinchev SLJPERVISOR: A. Rubalcava PAGElOF@PAGE(S)

TRANSCRIBED BY: D., Berggren-

MH Meg Hinch€y ::::: r :

AH Andrew Hoenigman ': : :-BC BobCavanaugh

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MH Alriehw. iust sonna,,set that there. Uh- wtrat is it about oh-eight oh-seven (0807),

ttr"iro""ds Jbout right. Attd *"'r. at the Attorney General's Office, and I'mtnd if you could identify yourself'Special Agent Meg Hincheg : v+rsrr

..:':i

BCAnd''fmBob.chvanaugh..i:...'t:':')::t: :

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rt. um, okay and I;appreciated you coming in, Andrew. And I got, um,MH Okhy; greacopies of your documents ugh, uh, Miss Bailey.

AH Miss Bailey? : '

MH Did you get a chance to see the coVer letter that she sent?

AH Um, no I did not.

MH Okay, do you have a coPY of that, Bob?

BC No I don't.

MH Okay, um if you'd like, I can make you a copy.

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BC Okay, great I appreciate it.

MH And you got, and these are the documents that they submitted, if you like me...flljust make a full set for you.

BC That'd be great, 'cause I...I kind of got on this late.

MH That was...was the i*pr"ssion I got, so. Why don't you look over thag andthen...

AH

MH

AH (Inaudible) Cinco de Mayo. , ,, I r r

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MH I think that...I have i feeling that's supposed to be'CinCq de Mayo.i:.

AH Yeah.

MH Okay, alright great, umj, in that, even though some of the questions I have on mylist to answer, are answered in this letter. ,.: ' '' ,--- '=-' -l':

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okaY - ,'I'm just gonna.. just fo! ,th6.,,,sake of continuity if.you willr,'gm, and consistency,

{ :r' I l ' a ' " ' tum, I'm gonna go afreaaand just go'through kind of the duestions I've been

3r$rg everytbdy. Um, Mister Cavanaugtrls been present when: I've done this

BC And, could you just make sure that um, Andrew kilorl,vl why he's here, um...?

MH Absolutely, um, and I apologize;' Utd fOaa,:'Larcon is the Attorney on this case.

AH Uh hum.

MH And he's unavailable this morning.

AH Okav.

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MH Um, but you know, trying to make this work. UrrI, he said just go ahead and

come down and take care of it, but um, you know our intent really is, our focus is

uh, some actions by George Confferas. Um, and in...and in the course of the

investigation and the documents that we reviewed, you know, it was difficult tosay and or he maybe said, "Well there are fifty (50) other peoPle involved in this

too," kind of deal. So, um just to be thorough we have to overftrn every stone.

Um, and you're being interviewed as a witness.

AH Yes, ma'am. ,

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MH Okay, does that make sense to you?''

AH Yes,ma'am. " ;,"''1 :' ,:,, ,', :

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MH Um, can I guarantee tha!, uh, wittr a,frundred and t"tt p.iient (LLOolo) certaintythat you...something couldn't Come down the road. No, I can't. Because I don't

know everything *tat um, I'd say ift, not verv likely. Okay? ;, ,

MH And Milter,Cgvarf4,f-gh,explained to me, um,-, yoi,mo#, h1s;conibrni and your

concerns on the phonbryesterday. Ana i totally undbrstand that. Um, I have...Ifeel that what yo,t ttiV.:to offer io tell me about that actually supports really whati*. ''tt", it"iooting at.

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MH Okay, does that make senie? " ,

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AH Yes, rna'am

MH Anything else that you need me to touch on?... -

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BC That's it, thank you. :

:

MH Okay, absolutely. Utr, if you have any questions just ask.a':

BC Okay.

MH Okay? Um, then I'll do the same job. And this is not, this is not my funest case by

any stretch.

AFI (Inaudible).

MH Um, don't like when, um, you know. 'Cause I...I wore a blue uniform in a

different city, before I came over here. So, um, I totally get it. But um, okay, so

we'll start, and I'm gonna try and get this as quickly as possible.

AH Uh hum.

MH So you guys can keep going. Uh, is it correct you're b ployed as a police officerfortheCityofPhoeruxFo1iceDepartrnent?.,.

AH Yes, ma'am. ,, , .

MH okay, and do yb',;";;il;;& when y* ,r"*ei: *.ni"enix P.D.?' i,",

AH Itwas uh, my...the date of my graduation from theiaiademy, would have been

November sixteenth (16") of two;thouq4d one (2001)- , "rr:::':':,:,::

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MH Okay, and do you know George Contreras?

AH ' Yes' mslam.. ,, ,i ."' ' ,, , ,,..., , ..

MH And, hoW do you knowiGeorgg?..,, ;,,i,,,' , ., ,,,, ,.,.'.i ,ii .: .

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AH Um, he was a co-Wbrker of mine. e"a I worked for him,_ uh; in an off duty

capacity, He was the,coordrnatoi for the majoriry of all the jobs I worked.

MH okay, and...and you heard 'f

i"p,o, services? ' ' ' ,

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AH From what I understoodi:mptor ServiceS, it Was kind of his...his deal where

he...he told me that Raptor ServiCes would be what he would give us our tenninety-nines (1099's) for. That...becauqe he was going to be getting paid the

money. That he would be prwiding us with tax documentation. It would be

through Raptor Services. I only considered Raptor Services a...a tax, um, avenue

for him.

MH Sure.

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AH That was it.

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MH Okay, um, and obviously as I know you, you have worked in off duty jobs as a

Phoenix Police officer, correct?AH Yes, ma'am.

MH Okay, and um, in this cover letter from Miss Bailey, one of the questions that wehad was what jobs you've worked. And I see her answer in question three (3),

um, Circle K truck stop?

AH Yes, ma'am,)' ' ' '',t,,

MH Grant Park Apartmentsr Arizona Materi5ls, Food City Parking Lots, what does that

,t ' 't,',,1'',;;: ':' ':

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AH Um, that was h job; that uh, he coordinated. It was at, uh around Central andking lot.'; And the job was to; weBaseline; just north...it was the Food City par,

weren't in charge of patrolling any.,,,of.,the businesses or stores inside, just theparkinglot,andbehindthebusinesses.:

AH And thatwas, one of George'srjob's that he took over., ,' :::':':r'

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- ,,,, ,' :' :'irrMH Um, would,that be Ue-Same.locAtion #dib tris Raito!,stores at thln?

,l..:];....,']i,....:.......MH Okay, Sevent-y-two nrrenty-siien (7227) Souttr Central? ,- : :t ." '

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MH Okay, and that at Cinco de Miro, I think that's supposed to be Cinco de Mayo?

AH I...I...real1y don't know eiaitly, that's the name of the job. But it was always a

festival that...that I worked,,um sometimes once a year, sornetimes two (2) timesa year. It was a three (3) day... I . .

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MH (Overlapping) sure.

AH ...job, so I worked that one.

MH And then Hispanic Festival...?

AH lt's...I'm not sure if thefre both the same.


MH Sure.

AH 'Cause they were different locations.

MH Uh hum.

AH And each year it seemed like there was oneyear, around Cinco de MaYo.

that worked at the beginning of the

MH Right. ; ':::.,

:.:AH And then one that wAs t6.wards

think it...it may have'been'the

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the end of the t€?.r,.; And, I dont think it was.-.Isame business that he worked for, but different

festivals. ,t tt ; ' '

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MH Okay, um in iegards to'the one,,w,e'fl,iall this one, "Cinco de Mgyo." fJrrl, what*"r.::ao you reiemb.t iotgruy ttrat lbcAtign (inaudjble)? ' ''' "'

um,:ttre;first,I worked,i$,ii #it "t

downtdi;i$ tigttt on washihgton,.AF{

MH

AH

Okay.

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...and Thitd (3d) Avenue. , And then other, the'other times I worked it, Iremember we went it was way doryn by the Phoenix Zoo. . ..

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i" ': .,."i :- -AH It was in big,..big parking loi;.big area, that I would...that..:that's were I worked.

that...that'spretrymuchwerethey...theywent..: . :: :r: :i, : ,i,,,'",, .::,,., , : t,

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MH Okay.

AH The other one was right nbxt to:,Cen*al City liecinct, was in the park next to the

actual, uh, police precinct. ',,, ,t't' '.;"

MH Okay, now there's a food city near thgie?

AH Yes.

MH Okay, I know which one you're talking about.

AH Yes.

MH Okay and I have seen them, that there were two (2) different events.


AH Okay.MH And I've heard them call different things.

AH Okay.

MH I've heard Fiestas Patriots, I've Cinco de Mayo, I've, Chicanos Por La Causa.

Different people callthem different things.

AH OkaY. . " ''''

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MH And there was som-e confusion, about who lras #hat.', Um, I think one of them

was sponsored by'Radio Campacino or something?

AH Yeah. .,,,ri . ,: ,,

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MH 'So theie,was some Cbffision in that, so: 'Um, Cotton;Lane tolv4homes-.-

MH ...uh that,,t....tti On,.,r";i."", referred,O''", the Brojects over off of'i::

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AH The Eagle Roofing and the B.A. Sys'Grns are not any of George's jobs?

MH Right.

AH Those are two (2)...she asked me all the jobs I've worked.

MH Okav.

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AH And these are for...this one has since gone away, and that was for a differentcoordinator.

Sure.MH

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Who's not involved at all, neither is, I don't think (inaudible)...:'!:

Right, okay...and that's...that's...I mean that is i-onsistent with what I've

witnessed,'i...,.

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't. -:, rr---Um, and aS you know; most things I'm asking you, I've heard answers to.

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So, it's just, you know, putting those iait pi€ces of plrzzle in. Um, bt"y in regards

Lehl+'and I'll...and I'll iust let you look at thetO theseJODS, Um, OO yOU recall rougruy anq l'Il...4l](l IrIJust rcL yuu ru

:..r j:: , ,. - :,.

Do you recall roughly how much an hour, and you,:we're just gonna jobs as on

this list A through G,.the one's that Contreras coo-rdinated- '

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Do you remember touittty tto* *.r.h pei trour each of them:'might have paid?

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Circle K wai en"i Worked foi, When Ge6rge was the toordinatof. ,t,,.

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Circle K was thirry-five dollars (35$) en hbur.

Okay.

Grant Park, I believe was forty dollars ($+01 an hour, as well as ArizonaMaterials.

Uh hum.

And I believe Food city parking lot was also forty dollars ($40) an hour' cinco de

Mayo and the...the other Hispanic Festival, I'm...I'm not sure if it was thirry-five

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jobs? i"

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AH Yes, ma'am, I have. :

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MH Okay. Um, we're gonna talk about some specific jobs.

AH Yes.

MH Um, we'll start with Cotton Center.

AH Okay.

an hour ($:S1 or forty ($+O;. None of the jobs that I worked for George

under thirty-five ($3S; an hour.

MH Okay.

AFI So they're either, I know these ones for sure are thirty-five ($3S; and forty ($40).But the...the festivals...

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AH That one was, I think Cotton center was forty ($+01 or forty-five (S+s) dollars an.]:.::..hour. It-was right around that range.

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MH Okay. Um, which was,:..what was the last job that you worked for which George

was the coordinator? :' ,. i' ,

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AH .fhe hst.:jo'b,,I worked; ,for whilh was the'coordinator, I still work, the Circle K

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Um,,it went uilder a new coordinator aftef he' . he,left. ,,,

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Okhy, and in regaids,,,l to'the jobs that you woiked, that George was the

coordinator, have you beAn,:paid all the rnoney that was due to you for those

MH

AH

MH

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working that job?

MH Um, 'cause that one's a big...a big issue in all of this, um, and so in Cotton Center

do remember roughly the time frame you worked there, when you started, and

when the last time was vou worked there?

AH It was near the beginning of the year of two-thousand and six (2006).

MH okay. ,"' ,,,,, ''"".

'.''AH Um, I want...I can't'.,:I tan't be positive when it,:.wheh the job actually started.l, . .':. ;;; ' . ''

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AH Um, when I started working it. But I know, I ended,wbrking that job around the

end of August. i,thitrk it,waCieffiei nuiust or September of two-thousand six

:"',:r, i '::, r: ., , -hat,VOUStODDedMH Okay. Um and why..,do yoti knoW why, wttat was the reason t : ^:

AH UrD, bloa"r. it.,.it basically from #.trat,,l.ha;e U"en tota irweni .,itwent away.

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AH Itwas...itwas...itwai done, they didn'tneed us anymole.

MH Okay, um did anyone every tell you'whyf' ' ' '.':r': , '

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AH Um, I found out why later. ,,

MH What did...what did you...? : :

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AH Um, I was called in for P.S.P.;investigation on the townhomes.

MH Okay, I don't wanr to here anything P.S.P, quesfions, but thank you though..: '.':t:" ::'l

AH That's fine.

MH I was unaware you've been interviewed by them.

AH Uh hum.

MH Okay, and in regards to that job, do you remember rougtrly the hours that were

worked, and or the days that would be worked for thatjob?

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AH

MH

AFI

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I always worked, uh, Sundays.

Okay.

Um, and I normally didn't work, um, one after another. I usually broke it up inbetween.

Uh hum. ,.,.,.I'd work, you know,. every other week. end the shifu,thbt t work, because of the

Sundays, were ten (10) hour shifts: ,_ . ,

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Okay, and um,,:do yOU r.*"*b"t if Vo" .vei *"trca hofidays at that location?

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I worked .on€ holiday on,that locatio.n,,' I dgntt recall which holiday it was.

AH

MH

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Okay. '' '

Sure arid,wtren yoU.' rked that holiday, what w-as,the rate.,ofi'pay?,,.'"rWas it the

r"*e or did you s"t..A8*te ameror,time and a halP ":'.

Double, I believe it was double time. . ,,,-

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On€ timg? ,:,' ,,,, '::i:"': : ',, .'...".' ,, :':; , ';1,""""'''

AH I have no idea there was a lot,of ofters,,,,,t,::a.

MH No, I mean like, when you were ott tite.,ti

AH Oh, I...when you were duty?

MH Uh hum.

AH Uh, two officers, it was a two (2) man unit.

MH Okay, and did it require a vehicle.

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AH

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Yes.

Okay, and um, tell me what you recall about the process for obtaining the vehicle

for that job?

Um, we would go in, um, as far as getting approved.,for one, or Soing in andgetting one?

To get one each day when ylu have a shift. ,:

um, what we did #;*,**t;; *; io;i a;;t ;-,jti:",, .t '' ,,' ,,,': ,"., " "'

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...after gening ready. And we'd request a Vehicle that it was-foJ off duty, and

then they have, I'm not...I think they have sel9ct ve,tr-ic.les for off duty. And then

tfrey wouf4'gl* ui at..l, b,,:..We #b"ta sig4 ,the'vehicle out. ,And,then,,.utu, ttrat

.wou1d..b.i.the.vehic1ewe.dronetha-1night.l'.........:'ii.ijl'...,'

MH And did you have to sign the vehicle_ back in?: ,Y.

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AH Um, at night, yes, yeah I bblieve we had to turn the keys in, and sign'em back in.

MH Okay, um; +a jusr kind bitett me, J mean=.and I realize thii, w,,9'rb going b?9\ ucoup'le:yeari ow,'um,,but in a general sense, what a shift tor that.iob would be

like? ,' , ,1:;,i,::::,

AH Um, basic patrol duties. Um, any,,c6lld|foi Service that come out over the radio,

we were responsible for. Um, while..,while we were there. If we were, um,

booking someone, or...or if we were doing repofts, it wasn't...but if we were

there, we were responsible for any,of thb radio traffic, basic police duties. Ut&anything that we saw, that was bieakin$ the law, while on the grounds of the...ofttre comptex. We dealt with, uh, suspicious activiry, w€ contacted a lot of people.

We arrested a lot of people for warrants, uh basic police duties.

MH Right, okay. And, um do you recall if you ever got called off site, to respond to acall, while you were working (inaudible).

AH To go to a different location, not at the townhomes?

AH

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MH

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Correct.

Um, I don't believe I ever got...I think there was one incident where we were

looking for um, a subject thut *"r um, that was seen getting out of a stolen

vehicle. And we actually had to leave off site. Because on duty officers had

stopped someone that matched the description, that end up being our suspect. So

we were um, a couple miles down the road.

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Dealing with thit, i;r g; *:ifr..r"rt of ttre night, and *" ".*utly

weren't at the

torarnhomes. And then, theids times wheie'we, you knoW, go to Circle K to use

the restroom and...and eat. :

Sure..'sure, okay, tt*, *d fbi,this,,parti,guf.ar job, it sounds iike y',9,u would check

in...yoir wouid start your...your shift,at the precinct? , ' .-.- J -,:

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:As soon as I pulled in the parking lot, I was toid that's when your shift starts. '

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Okay and that was my understanding as well. Um, were as like ihe Circle K job,

your shift started when you arrived at Circle K..-1,.1:! i,, :.:],l.'.:.:i...i:.iii....''.,.].,''..n':.'

When...when I arrive it:Circle 4 thit's when I start. '

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-,'.rOkay, um ina tnis wli:thb,Formiter'PrecincU right? , ,'' i,,,

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end of youi snift did y,,g,,g check on or off.of:with,dispatch, oi on;the radio fromthgrg? :

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The computer in the car.

Okay, um, and on the Cotton Center job, how were you paid? Who issued you

the check?

It was the, I don't know the names of the company.

AH

MH

AH

AH

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MHAH

MH

AH

MH

Uh hum.But it was, I'm...I'm prerryi sure it was the Home Owners Associations. There was

three (3), I think.

(Overlapping) Okay.

And they would all pay, um, us by check from...from whatever their companyname was.

Sure, okay. Um,,.didvouevei gel paid by Raptor Services for that job?

AH I don't believe so. ",,,,

MH Okay, um and at thatjob, uh, was there a log kept, thatiyou recall?

''.'AH Yes, there was a log of our...our activities, anything tha|'We.did, that was-of

imponince;.$ot um...we were- supposed to,log into the,.,it was fike a paper logthat...thatofficerContreraskepf:' i, , : ,;

MH' I rhink.I rnight have.,,ii tnint I mighr haye,a Dug". Okai, does than,loO* correct?j

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AH Yes,, ma'bm.

MH Okay.''

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AH Yes, matam.

MH And thafs um, this i5"2,,,pret'$b5iic,,togr,,,,5nd...and,um from what I've seen if youhad arrests, um, at one juncture, I mean I don t h9* if i-t's when the booking allchanged, r* :? at fourth (4tr) ave. But,. uh, if a little iticker print out, sometimesyou]guyswouldputthosein.here,Isaw.it:'...|'|.|"..'...|.'....:....

AH Yeah, some of the guys would, yes.

MH Okay...okay. Um, it's a lovely...lovely area, I've been in foot pursuits throughthat complex, they're not fun.

BC Out of your city then, hu? ' ,,,"

MH That's exactly correct. Um, yeah I had the good fortune of working with our...ourgang unit on occasion, so. Um, okay let's see, and this job was coordinated, the

Cotton Center job was coordinated through the Phoenix Police Deparnnent, does

that sound correct?

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AH It was coordinated through the Phoenix Police Department, through George

contreras.

MH Right.

AH He was coordinator of the job.

MH Okay, and um, ttrai *as a job that was worked in uniform or plain clothes?t

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MH Okay, um, alright, lefs,;:1'btme have a look herbr u[let's see. Okay, from what I,so you workedthat jol with Jed Fisher sometimes, does hat sound coffect.

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that you worked,it*$$ Geof89,:r.Contreras, some

AH

MH

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Yes, I...I only *orked with Jed naro tZ) ti*"t, and the rest with George.,::.....'..'''|'....,..'|.l..,::li.:

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Seventy-five twenty-four (752+) is your serial number, right? ,

AH Yes, ma'am.

MH ...hadn't...hadn't taken place.That's for sure.

AH Yeap.

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Okay and this is, uh, kind of a partial...

...spread, in fact, it won't trave all Of youi shifts, but um, what this tells me, is um,just dates that you had worked,. and such: And, you know, just activity that...thatwe were able to determine...

And um, its looks pretty consistently Sundays.

AH

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MH

MH

AH

MH

AH

MH

AH

Um, my understanding is that uh, Mister Cavanaugh mentioned on the phone

yesrerday, that about six (6) times you recall working that shift with George.

That perhaps George said, "It's time to go."?

Yes.

Uh.hum.'......'..'...:.,.i..'....

I said, "Well, you know, he's the coordinitor and he's Saylng its okay."

Sure.

And from what I'm gathering, he must have permission to go home. Cause I

don't, I never talked to anyone from the townhomes.

Sure.

That was not, I didn't need to. So the first couple times, I didn't have a problem.

MH Tell me about, tell me what that means to you. :

AH The first, it wasn{ "'oorrairr"rrt

like one after anott*r, , ,.

MH Uh hum.

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AH But there *ere,timep *her, urn, it be...iherJA fe o,radio traffic. It would be, no

one even out. {t'd.be gening late apd...4nd he would sayj,"There's nothing going

=.^..*....'-.'::.'.AH And I *olld,"y, "It's,kind of

"urly to go." etaitn" way he explai"ea it to me,

was,:and I know that he'd been doing a lot of y,vo$ {or the townhomes, from what

he told me. Hetd been:going to -"J,ittgs with lre trome o*t.ts aisociatibn. FIe

was, balicaily he told me, is at theii beck and call. , '' ,, --,_,:.,,,;,'

AH u*, eto.tuarrt *..di$;l' 6. ;u1q he,,#;iiii."ding a'iot.br ti*" dF ,1.homeowners association with ihe presidents,and the owners, doilg things.that he

wasn'r getting paid for.: So when t brou$hrdp p-V ..ol:."1 he^said, "It's okay, it's

all been worked out, it's'taken caie of.'1 I didn't think, the first couple times, I

didn't think it was problem.

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MH Uh hum.

AH 'vVhen it continued to happen, um, I that's when I about the third and fourth tirne

I said, "You know I reaily don't feel comfortable, leaving early." 'Cause I don't

leave jobs early.

MH Right...right

AH And, I said I donrt really feel comfortable doing it. Um,.and I asked him if it was

possib1e,ifIcou1dworka.frebshift.

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AH you know,lustito ea3e my conscience. And he said, baiicatly,-he said, 'You worry

too much. There',s, ifs af beeh en Caie ofr'It's okay." And, I said, 'You know,

I just really appreciate it, if we didn't leave ear$ anymore-" '

AH Um, and so, when that continued to happen. Um, I just...I just staved at the

pr"?r".t-rrr;'r";;; d;;. ii dite onty"ttring thai eised *v Co"t.ience. -You-kro*,

I.:..I had gone to hir.n I talk to,him hboui it. Um, I felt that I was, from

wtrat mi feelings. , that I Was close 'enough to., ,hi , as a r'friend some-..a co-

workei;thathewou1dunderstand'h1r.oo''.rn.,,...,'..;.;.

MH

AH

MH

AH

MH

And When :ii tina of kept goingr,and I kind of felt like I got blown off, with my

concern. r ibia, you know,-t stated thii, t would just come back in and stay at the

precinct and Waii for pretty much the shift to end. el{ {q g". 'Cause it was

the only way that I cbuld feel good, and justify myself. That well, when I go

home, at least I'm here, and I'm standing here"

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So, that was basically the, uh, the issue that...that...that I had.

And you re not the only one who said that, if that makes you feel any better. So,

um, you know we've heard that. Um, oh there it is, okay, do you recall if that job

was ever worked, um, as solos?

From what I, from what I know, and from people that I know that worked it.

That job was never supposed to be a solo job. That was a, do to the area'. -

AH

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MH

MH

MH

AH

AH

AH

Uh hum.

...and the level of violence, and the potential for violence that we regularly see

there. That was not a job that, I don't think that that would have been a good

decision for a coordinator, even (inaudibte) apartrnent, to make, to put a one (1)

man unit there, for a ten (10) hour shift by himself.

Sure, um, and I..:;nd I understand all that. To your knowledge, do you know ifanyone ever was Workin$ this solo?

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No, from what l *now: it was all.two (2) man: ,' r,,: i

''''.:;."'Okay, um, I tnint tftai,all, oh, I've heard a couple things, so.let me ask this

question first. ,iWad'thbre a locati-on on site.were you,guJs could *tit: reports,

and so on and,:so,fonh; I meaA. i,unaerstand there's like moffice available.

AH *;, in..* *"!; ,rr*i1** ;;; ;;,,.;*;ot,rJre ji,ir*;, ,rh,.,Juh r;e b;ot ro,

the*,lthat wai tepfin therq,, .,-, . ,- r,:r., i,..,r ,.:,,',

MH Uh hum, :

AH I never;ilt dont know if I,ev.,,.e; fitled it ouq=,,, I.,,may have. But I'l,recall there was

always, uh, some type of bobk,,forthe tornrn1hOmeS that,,W,g had,to go into-themain 6ffice., That we...we at least had to go in theioffice once 1 shift, to do that.

It also had ihe bathroom facilities for us, and a place where we had phone where

we could call in any reports private.

MH Sure, ok^y, that's righ!.,I always forget, y9u. g $et that...that call,,in feature.

Something we were atl envibus of. -:Um, what ieason can you think of, I mean Iunderstand going to Circle'X to get something to eat or use the restroom, um

and...and bookings. What other reasons besides those can you think of that

someone would have to not be On iite during a scheduled shift?

AH Other than eating dinner, going to Ciicle K um doing any kind of follow up that

would...that would.,.include follow up as a result from the shift of the

townhomes.

MH Uh hum.

AH

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MH

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MH

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I could see, and like I said, like the one time, I remember we had to 8o down toThir{-second (32"d) Street and Broadway. Uh, I don't it was a Circle K. I think itwas...it was a couple miles down the road, where we had to deal with the suspect

we'd been looking, that...that was from the townhomes, and we...we probablywould have been away from the tornmhomes for a good three (3) or four (4)

hours.

MH Sure.'

AH Um, where theyWouldn't,haVe seen us at,all. I m-ean,:those are the reasons that I

would think, Uesidei tunih, eating...eating lunthj, $oing to Circle K trm,

and...and any of the other Convenience stores,,,around,them, and going to do

follow up.

MH Uh hum, and,: um; but when you would do that, Wouid you let dispatch or

I mean, 11ou don't.,:$ru',aorr't-:;C-hedk,off; yoi'*,!oin[.to do follOW..up with asuspect bomewfiere else, you don't cheCk off (inaudible)?

.'- - " """'weti, ii 1age, if *"'id'il'doirrg'.'rotlo*,up, '*" would-,,,*e would'l itat"'I mean an

officer would have to stefils himself on his M,D.T. , ,

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But going to cirtle K or leaving... , 'i'"" "' ' '. '-

AH Th€re was no, *e *ouldn't c-lear...there were times when um, that I,,recall, withGeorge, and with Jed Fiahlin, when I worked there. We actually parked ourpatrol vehicle across...

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MH Uh hum.

...Broadway Road.

On the south side?

Because it...it...it gave us good cover to watch, you know, homes that we

were...that were very suspicion, that we...we were watching. And, so we

did...we did that, to gain kind of the advantage...so...

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MH Sure.

AH There were times, when we were in that position for an hour...hour and a

half...two (2) hours...you know watching.

MH Sure, I mean...I mean...that makes...that makes sense. Um, it just good police

work. Um, what else about that job? That's it, I may co,Ine back to that one.

AH Okay. ''.MH But for now, um, Circle Ks truckstop, I just went

AH Yes, ma'am i

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MH That's at, what aboutfhirry third (33d) Ave and.Buckeye" ' .

MH fhafl righr, okay.. Um...okay and regaids to the Circle K. Do you rememler thetimb frarne you worked,'frat job? ' ,, ,'::i:.. :

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Um,'that,job was al*ayi aide.,;eight P.M. (8,00):,::,, , ,i'." .,:.:::1:"

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Uh hum.

Sometime in the middle of that job, I've worked thag job for a very long, probablyfive and half (5 Vz),'yEard;'. l,,Um, it went from seven P.M, (7:00) to five A.M.(5:00). " """ '''" t,tt'

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And, now the hours have gone back to eight (B:00) to six (6:00). But it was

always a ten (10) hour shift. ::

thiough a bunch of quick

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MH Uh hum and do you still work that job?

AH Yes, I do.

MH Um, you said you started it, about five and half (S,/z)years?

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AH Yeah, I've worked there for a long time.

MH Uh hum, so you've seen a lot of changes in how that job is structured?

AH Yes, ma'am.

MH Okay, um and agairr, I'm sorry, what was the rate of pay for that one (inaudible)?

l:,

AH That was...that's...that one was under George, if was thirry-five dollars ($3S) an

hour. , j, ,,.

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MH Okay, alright. And, io tOUi knowledge was it all str-aight, or was there a differentpay for holiday5? ' ,,,,,,,l,t

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AH There was a different pay for hoqaayi. Iiwas.,.it was double pay.

MH Okay, um, hbw many offrcers: worked:that job at one time?:''i':'':::.:.-:':::'.'y..'..''

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AH Um, consistently that.,..that'L..*" a job were,,most officers:got ,if you...if youproved yourself to Gebrge that you were reliable, um you...you...Wbuld get day.

Like I alwais had a p-ermanent day.

AH \,vhether,'tu11 shift rJtiaiv, ;"a,n"" I got a zull sirift wedneSday when I changed

squadsiri l:Would say'dbnsiSpently, the same,,,sev-en (7) or eight (B) guys workedthat job. ...t::,.1:lt: ) :

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AH And fi1l.in's.were...werg different people- , :.

MH And, I'm sorry, what I meant:was like, when you;re on-site is it one (L)?

AH One (1)...one (1) man job.t,, ,,.,.:'

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MH Perfect, thank you..:'

AH Sorry.

MH Thafs alright, um, and does that one require a marked vehicle.

AH No, that's just full, um, full uniform.

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MH Sure, okay, but you are in uniform on that one?

AH Yes.

MH Okay, and that one you respond directly to the job?

AH Yeap

MH Do you...did you and or do you check ofJ,.with dispatch or radio and thebeginning and end of that shiftL ,i :."

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AH Where'#e,had..';I m6-ari- where it was now poliCy. Wherg. we'wou,ld..,d€ wouldcheck in before. Wfrui we would do, is um, *ela,,call the off-dut-y log at thepr.iirr.t, uttA tn"y would put:us in the system. Showing that, we were there.

AH Um, but very rarely did I clear with radio, and say I'm at this location until...

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AH ...because,lr*, if you had a problem, you,just cleared your serial numler.

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AH And all the officers that worked'-that aiea know, know you, and you could get

back up fast. ", :::" ';:

MH Sure, okay, um you...you said something about, um, once you proved yourself toGeorge, um, and I've heard similar statements made, kind of tell me what thatmeans to you, what...what you're referring to when they say that.

AH


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He...he wasn't gonna let you work or get a shift unless you've showed that you

were reliable. That if he called at six (6:00) P.M. and the shift started at eight(8:00) and no one was there to worh that you...that you were gonna take thatten (10) hour shift.

MH Uh hum.

AH And, um, that was even after.,we:kitid of had'a falling out...

MH Uh hum.

AH . -.SO. 'l

Was the falling out in relation to off'duty work?

AH Yes, ma'am.

...they're not gon{ra:call you anyrnore: ,',i

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And, so that's what I had to ao at the beginning, was I had to be available for, and

.*r.n *tt"tt I didnt want tolwork. I woiked, b"*"t. i'k o*, if i get-.,i...a..-fullshift there once a web[ you know, I didn't really hhve to worry hbout findihg offduty, ind it was, you kcrow, gbod honest work. \tVhere I'd be in there in the store

with them, and we,::you t<now, protecting the cashier. And I could do my job and

getpaid:..so...'..,.::.,,i.i'......l..'....'..l..

Sure....sur,s.1.!Vhat fiibd"""a, ii:yon maaa C6oft mad? Did you ever see

someone go through that situatiofl? : :

u-, I.l af;'i- :,i diantirp;;End&',:s." *rtet.:,wh4t..,he's what djd then...what(inaudible) 'rnad With mri. ,Urn, I, continued to work there up until, um, when he

1eft.i...,.:.i.-...''.-..'l.;..:.i]]']':.'i.

MH Uh hum.

AH You know, I meat, it'was...it was, and so in order to get pretty mrrch on his good

when you start. ,You,.,,,y'ou had to work when,..I mean it was whenever you got

called..Cause,if.youdon.t':..-

AH

MH'What...what happened?

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AH Um, it was in reference to um, Circle K Truck stop, Grant Park AparUnents. For

me it was also the...the parking lot.

MH Uh hum.

AH The Food City parking lot.

MH Uh hum.

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, "iAH Um, basically I was.Dot.;.I Was not happy'that untr, this job, which we received

for, and the beglnning of every shift,.' We wotild sigp itr "i'.

MH

AH

MH Uh hum.

AH For some reason he completely changed that.': :

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AH And it was, "You're not gonna be paid Circle K anymore. They're going to pay

me, and then I will pay you." ':

MH Uh hum.

AH At first I didn't have a problem until we were told, we'd be working the firstmonth for nothing, until, because of the way their schedule was, they wouldn't be

paylng until the end of the month. So we said something like, "So we gotta workthis whole month by ourselves." I mean...without hoping that we'd get paid and

the end. He says, "You'll get paid." And so, we eventually did. And at first I had

it worked, then were I said, you know George, it's...for me it's...iCs very easy

to...to cash that money. You know, so I have it, ycru know, during the week. Anduh, I said,. iYou knoW, can you write me a check once a week?" And he told me

he'd do that, that didn't'lapt very long. Ur4r.1|1sn it Was every naro (2) weeks.

And, then for me, ttre..',ttre One's who spoke up, the loudest, usually got paidpretty decently quick. The other guys that didn't.,. ',,

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...pretty much got, um, got the stiff ..for a while. I..,I baw some good friends ofmine... i , :

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AH And we've.n-evef fruai,l'pioUiem *ittt, never...t'd,neier had pgqblem or reason notto t ,rrt,hitttr'.n t. ffe never,,.did any wrong, nu,t this ail startea #tten he changed

the p4yment, and 'all the sudden, you know.,we, guys weren't'getting paid. The

falling with,me and George happened when he Was supposed relieve me on ashift at the trUck stop, he did not relieve me. Um, didn't:gtve any notice, aoY

reasOn:#hy; dlan;t show up. Um, that reallf kind of got undef rny skin. And thenthertheck that i received from him, which I knew he was gonna pay the next day,

'cause I was mad, the:i:,iheck I releived, that day i took it to the bank and itbounced. And, I called.him Lp,.l,and,l asked him, "You received this money for the

whole month. How is a check for.t- e-hundfed fifry dollars ($3SO; bounce?"

Uhhum, ", '' "

And he said, "Hold on, ru...f[ check it out." And he called me back" and said,

"It's okay, the money was in a different account." I then went back to the bank,

and it...and it went through. So I...I was kind of...I couldn't understand whatwas going on. And that...that caused uS to pretty much, we're no longer, we're

otr "

ttigft...I mean it was just I...I worked the job, he didn't pull me from it.

MH Uh hum.

AH

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MH

AH

MH

MH,

MH

I expected at times, that I was fully gonna get pulled from that job, and told Icouldn't work it anr,rmore.

Uh hum.

So, I was prepared with that. I was okay. Um, but he didn't pull me. That's were

it started. And then it continued with my friends getting paid thirty (30) days

later that were wbrking very hard for him. And not getting explanations for it.And not being toid wiat was going on. Or he wasnll nvinS any oj us_the benefitof the doubt. He Wasn;ttsayrhg anything to us. And :if you talked to him, he...itwas nothing, wouldn't ialk to him...so...

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You said a few things, ''6ai'again, things I that IVe .heard before. Um, do you

remember rou$hly the date that that check would have bebn, that bounced?

AH

AH

MH TWo-thousand,'Seven,,;QIAAD?'' -,',: :iii:::t'::;,:1L .,. ,,,,:,:

AH Two-thousand.and se+eh (2007;;'' 1.':.

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MH Okay and you said it Whs fotr{gge.fi-f3y'($p50)i ,.;,:"r . ,,, , , r'' '",,,

AH It was:'thiee. hqndred fifiy dollar5 ($350). ':' '' ,,'' '' . ';: '.,

,.iMH Okay, um and he told you the money was in a different account?

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AH He:,', said that the mOn'by.was in a different .laicount, and that's Why it had

bounced? I thought, oh, you have youi naplor Service account, and you pay me

from whatever account you have, ftiSCC when I...I was very I was not happy.

MH Understandable. Um, and what was your understanding as to how Circle K gave

him the money to pay you guys? ,::,

AH From what I understand they wrote him a check for the full amount.

Uh hum.

And, then that's how he was supposed to pay us.AH

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MH You mentioned that he gave you guYS, um, a reason, an excuse, whatever

terminology you'd like to use. That he couldn't pay you each week, because he

got the money at the end of the month?

AH That was the first time it started. The first time when it switched over, he said

something that we were now being treated as a vendor. And in order for them to

do that they only paid, at this time of the month. So, w€ would have to wait untilthey would issue that check

MH Uh hum. j

:,,.'.-..,'.AH I think it was mole'of;'he' was saylng theJe W3i a,, policy thing, between their

corporate office and.,,,and the off duty detailing'WOr,k We were doing.

MH Uh hum. , , '. ,t: | :,:.j.

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AH So,we *ent; on the first month'*treq,,he iob5 on"a we w9nt,wi1!ro-ut fgqurg paid

attd thett after that, we'd get paia UuC it was litbially, you had to be on him, to get

your moneyl

MH ''Utr hum,,lnnd''ldidliitud errer rearn,;trtrrr, tnat perhapt Ci.a" 6 piid him at the

beglnnin$ of the * for,,tha.t rnonth?

AH I had heardithat too:'.,But I WasnltpfiVed tA,thatihformation from George because

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MH Okay. You said you gqt some:frien$s wtro Were,getti",g:l"iT pa11 dglayed.by as

much as thirty (30) day.S. ,Can

you give me some names? I'm just curious who...::r .,r ,, .

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AH Um, James Art.','l ,:.-

MH Okay. ;

AH James Art was one, um, he was...hi was one of my friends-

MH Uh hum.

AH That...that I know consistently came to me. 'Cause I...I helped to get a shiftthere.

AH He's a family m&qr and I...I knew he...he needed to make a little exffa money.And, so you know, when Jim's coming to me. A good close friend of mine,saying, "I've talked to him," I mean I'm...I'm.,,I'm up on thirty (30) days. And I


MH Sure.

AH

MH

mean.

MH Yeah.

AH

MH

AH

MH

'Cause he's a very hard worker.

Sure.

AH I'm...I'm not Working for free. And so I...I would go to him...I've literally go toGeorge and say, "Do you haw:Jim ffts Ch'€ck? Can I get it?"

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Af{ r,And somatimes he wouid. te me a check foilJim;l,and',I,,would give, itto'himrOr

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iometirnes "lim woula,iiist',wait until he paid them. i', ,

memo that he's for these dates. ,

He's...those ar€ th€ days that fm paid for: , ,,,,.,'' , :

Right, irra rnuo,..una tnut n. *us writing it o" a.tguit fourth (4*). ,,:

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And if he wrote me a check for that amount, then...then that...that's August.That's...thatwould be the fff.,.the,rnonth thatwe got that money at the end ofthe month.

Uh hum.

So he wrote me a check for the fuIl amount.

Uh hum, okay. Okay, help me figure this part out. Because this is a...this is aspecific check number.

MH sure, Ijtttu*; r ni$knd of a qrlar,l:ana ugui"h;gL ai" r"ipmotr., '

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MH lt's not everything. But um, just for a certain time'frame, I was listing some checkthat I had seen, um, and there'was a'check Aufust fourth'(4*). He writes in the

AH

MH

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AH Uh hum.

MH Okay, it's nvenry-three nineteen (2379) as you can see.

AH Yes, ma'am.

MH Um, the amounr was one-thousand nine-hundred and twenty-five ($1,lZS;. Uh,

the date that he ffit" on the check was August four,(4) and it was for all of

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($:SOy that bounced. And...and fm not saying I don't have it. I'm just saylng...

AH The...the.,:shift *u, i,*;Jaa, ,a"o,i;;"."'i ** uo "*uu'

snirt that I was notr.r,1::SupposeC1to*o't'''

MH.'iunders;;;..okuy...ok"y..'..':,: : r ,,:i

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AH I was supposed to Work'with him, two (2) man on this job, Grant Park

nparunenis. a"a he, um, called me up that day ahd said he had no one to work,

;;;ithe jobs, ttte m& stop, *hi.h one should we work.

AFI And I rorat*'; ru"io*# thi'fruck stop- ,. o t " ,,''

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MH Okay, and I'm,..and fm...sure t pioUiUty do have that check, U*, these are all

deriyed ftqrn differenrPlaces.

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MH And, um, again it was just a snapshot, ana t think I had Jim Art on here too.

AH Uh hum. "' ,, :,.,''' ,"'

MH 'CauSe he'S got, you know, he'S got,one, two, thfee, YoU knOw three cheCkS that

again...

AH If you look at any of these checks for Jim...

MH Uh hum.

AH That's how hg wrote hiS an"a*r., ,,:;,,..,: ,1... ; ,r ,,,',;ii,;.,,1 ,,. ,,i,.

MH r mean, ,"d.4'you,mo*t i;:;,;;i"g uit ttii is,ror ttris. Yeah, he's forexample,octoberfifteent}r(15*).''..:..'

AH Uh hqm- ' ::':i"' i, ':

MH He hadn't been paid, 'chuse this *as September seven (7), Octqber five, (05) and

Octobei narelve (12). "'! i ":"" ""t'i"""' i: ';i]l: :

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MH Uh, Novembei;n"engnine (29),iliame tiria Of aed; after that. ,l " ",,,.,

, .' :;. ,,,, - , , ,t' '",Ii"',, . . "::': ',',AH (Overlapping) Ana ail of uS.;,:and all,,of us were 1o]d on this job, that, he felt that,

because he, because sb many ,worked. foi him; he was not going to pay, and

decided, "I'm not going to pay you'bnte.g week, it's too much for me."


AH ...that are over a thousand dollars ($1000)...

MH Uh hum.

AH ...that's means he's not being paid three to four weeks.

MH Sure, and this one written on July nineteenth (19d),..um, again this is...this is

George's writing in the memo column.

AH Uh hum.

MH It doesn't...

MH Uh hum.

AH I said, fine, then it was every two (2) weeks. But some SUys got paid every nro(2) weeks; some guys got paid every four (4) weeks. Obviously Jim is one of myfriends that got paid regularly...

MH Sure.

AH ...every three (3) to four (4) weeks.

MH Sure, but at the end, it aPPears...

AH Yes.

MH ...that he was getting his. And I mean that...that consistent with what you're

saying, you know.

AH Yeah.

MH Squeaky wheel gets the oil. You tell him, "Hand me my check." He's giving it to

AH Yeha.,i

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MH VVhere Jim getting his ii the ena, ium, wt at o.aSooi *ould you think of that he

would have to...to...to need to do that. And, I'm just gonna tell you, he got the

moneyatthebeginningortn"month,.i':'...:i|

AH ,l have...I have no...I havc no evidence to support any of things ttiat:I think he

MHnight,'tth.just.jaskingyour'9ninion,:l':....;....;.:l''t',

AHum...ij'that...',o,"t:.'okayfoi-"toiay?...,..''

BC ...if, uh, make it ileaithat, uh; iisjustyour Speculation. "',,.r,r' i

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''MH Sure.

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AH This is...this is...my speculation. That guitar opened.

MH Uh hum.

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AH And that was, now he was working so much off duty, I had no idea how he even

survived. I mean it was, it was, un...unreal how much this...how much he was

working. And, it just got to the point, when that guitar shop opened, it just so

happened to me, from what I thought, the guitar shop opened around the same

time, that the Circle K job started paying him. And then we were told, "Hey,

you're not gonna get your check 'til the end of the month.",.r,),

MH Uh hum.

AH When it was ae*rmnea.ne got it at the beginninr,of the month. I...I think that,you know, possibly he.,r'lcause he told me he d]dnlt,, heicouldn't get a bank loan

lor the guitar s6op. Sot.. e* everything he. did was g-onla have to be in cash,

and that's very;hard,to.,db.#hen- you're dealing with lhg business. And so, at firstI didn't think, I...,I pushed on...I $dnlt want to think;of itt I was thinking it. But

by the end, I pretty much felt,.thai money'had gone inrto his guitar shop, and that

he was a moilth behind,frbrn then,,on" evcry time,he received a check. And that's

why, guys wbren't getting their money. 'And that's why guys Were bouncing

checks, I:bounced a check becauie, i...I.,.felt you know, it;,r.he was alieady a

month behind. And if hei'didn't make enough money in that,:guitdf shop;' he

woutd pay everybody just enough money to 'gbt naro (2) weeks, then he was

counting on that neit cheCk from Circle K to come, so that he could catCh every

body elie up for nvo,1Z) months. I mean...that;':.I thint< tre was playing a catch

MH And I think you're right. Okay, um, I thought of something else about the Cotton

Center, and it's escaping me. we'll haire to iome back. Okay, so Circle K, uh,

Grant Park apartrnen's. : "ir": ,-:- ''. , '"' 'i , ,'i ' ' , :,

AH Uh hum.tt ,' , il,, ,,, ,' " , ,,:, "' :: rr' rr

MH Again, same kind of um, questions, qh,,do

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you,,remember rou$hly when You

AH I don't remember when I started woiking,,l knbw it was a two-thousand and seven

(2007) job. ' ,. , ,,:,,

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MH Okay, that's fine. :: ,,,,,

AH Um, and I worked that, some with George, the majority of it I worked with um,

my...my...Sergeant.

MH Okay, who is your Sergeant?

AH Uh, Jeff Brandanburger.

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MH Ol*y, um do you remember when that job ended? I'm sor4r, are you stillworking that job?

AH No.

MH Yeah, I didn't think, I thought that...ended.

.'..AH (Overlapping) No...that...that.. job ended, ended before naro-thousand and seven

QAO1. And, uh,I.,.;I didn'twork that job anyrn6re-' ,,;

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MH Okay, when you worked the,job, do you rememUii,,ttt" hours and days that were

worked?

AH For me the hours::nna Of fluctuated.'.t

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4H ' U-, l-,ti it #as a four q+y:'5fuiiaU: It wai',a fofir.ut+) hour jobi.,.and f .,,1...t always

,.,,,,

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MH Okay, and oo you rememDer if you 'bver uh, worked Holidays, or got paid

any.thin$bthetthari'str=aisht.time?.

AH I don'i know if I worked any holidays? ' ,, ' ' :

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MH Okay, um, how many officer were on site for that iob at a tirne?;

AH rwo (i) m

MH It was a two man, okay, did that:one require'a car? . : " ;:

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MH Okay, so you responded directly to Giani park apartrnents?"'"' '' . ."""

'.'"AI-I We...we...literally in that job, we never, because it was such a short shift.'r ,)'

MH Uh hum. " ,',"

AH We never left. We...we...stayed always in the courtyard, visible.

MH Uh hum.

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AH Because the apartrnents, it uh, the apartments face the courtyard. They're on the

inside. You can't get access...access...

MH Uh hum.

AH ...from the outside. You have to walk into the courtyard. So we were

always...always visible in the courtyard and the parking lot. Never...we didn'tleave that job.

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',.MH Okay, and my understa4djng is, that one also pr$d an office if you needed it?

AH,

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MH Um, what was,the typicat shift thete, iike, (inaudible); , ,i'::,,

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AH Um, we,,..we dealt ftft,tfte.problems quick,.and then evrcrybody'just would stay

inside 'cause thel dilh't,Want to deal with us.,' So, the quicker you dealt with it,

MH Okay,,and do you remembei if ybu checked off; um, you didnt lt*9 u-"*icle, so

fm guessing:yor djdrr't:have M:D.T., do.,you,,rbmember if yoi chected off on the

;

AII That...thar.,.rhars whbn, about this job, is wheniwe began with the policy were

yeah we would...w. #oiitd rtto* up, and we'ds...you know you clear withthe...with the dispatch, or t'm gbntS be al this job from this time to this time.

:"MH Uh hum.

AFI And this is who's working with me. ,And that way they know who's there, and ifyou clear...

MH Sure.

AH ...they can...they know...they know your location when you're there from.

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MH Okay, did Grant Park apartments pay you directly or did you get paid through

Raptor Services?

AH I got paid through Raptor Services.

MH Okay, and about how often did you get paid for that job?

AH Um, usually from what I...he would turn in an invoice'and then they-would pay

him, and then he,would pay us. And that one, I...I,:.pretty much am this one gut

consistently paidf it wai n9,more, I never weht ndmbie ihan two (2) weeks to 8et

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MH Okay. Um, was ttrerea'log kept at that location? ,n ,

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, ,' , "AH I believe there was alway5, there...there had to have,,been a 1og. There was log

kept at...at, uh, for his jobs: So,,5ieah I'm pretty sure there was. a lo.g for Grantpark, hnd it was actually kept in the offiCe; You had to get into the' offi.ce, mostly

to8etthelo8andtofi1litout:..'"::...;:-....

MH ok t, how did yot g.i iti" ,ft" office, did you guyt tt*. a key, or.:.2

AH ie*,'*ut:..they...they had a key *ur,*o1 pt,""iJb[,]* eai;'l'rfit ";vong

thg

worked,::,you know whoever it, we'd...we'd always $ve it turn it in at the frontdesk of the precinct, oi to George. And you'd just key from him

:r " .: : i.. , ",,,.

AH If you*eie working wittr someone else, and'then you had lCleis to go in there.

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MH Okay, um, an4'ugain thai o"e *ii *u"gea through eiloe"i" p6libg Department?

MH um and that was a uniform..? |' 'r.i':"', , ',',,'"'

AH Yes.

MH .. job? Okay, um, and do you recali, did you get paid for all the shifts you worked

for that job?

AH Yes, I did.

MH Do you recall if at that job, um, you said it was two (2) people, do you recall ifanyone teft shift early?


AH That job? Me, and the guys...I...the ones I worked with.

MH Uh hum.

AH George? No.

MH Okay.

AH That was, this was aftei the town homes, I wasn t going through that again.;,

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AH

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Do you rem€m-ber, the,when startedwort<ine that jo..u-? , :,,,.. ,,:,

AH And it wis right ai,'ttre beginning when...when",George obtained that jo| *.dthat's another reason whv, I also kind of had a falling out. Because when, there's

a lot of good officerslthai worked that job, ana *ngn he got this guitar t}9p,. h"-

3ust puUea e-veryone from the job. And, I'm workin! it. So a lot of guys kind ofgot;dffed, i fett..g.ui r worked that job-;naro,,,,(2),,times. And, I never, he never

: ::MH And, so,you.,say, when...when ihe guitar'shop bp'bned he,'kept all the shifts at

Arizona Matbrials,,for himselP ,,,, ,,:"'-,,,,, 'r,',''" ,, '' ' r' , ;ir

AH He,"prety muitr worked there, .all, any:.:any 1shift, From Y&", I was the

.tttd.ttt"ttding tre miy ,,,h4J" given a coup[g],. ay' But from:, what...myunderstandtg, he worked there all the time. '

MH Okay. Um, yeah he told me that he was working about forty (40) hours of offduty a week. Does that sound aCqurgte?

AH Yeah...yeah...that would sound... ' :

MH I don't know how a person does that. Um, okay and hours and days on that job,

if you worked it, what were they?

AH That was an eight (B) hour job.

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MH Okay.

AFI But I only worked it n,rro (2) times in the beginning. And, I don't know if that was

a two-thousand six (2006) job, or a two-thousand and seven (2007), so...

MH Okay.

AH That was a long time ago, and I...I remember being there, two (2) times Iworked, that was-an eightl8) hour shift. ' , r,

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MH Sure and do you remember if you ever worked holidays there?

AH I don't believe I worked, I got to work a hbliday therb.. " '',,

MH Let me just...in fact I'll just take Care of the holiday question. In thinking about,

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MH ' ...(iniuaiUle) that George coordinated. Do you rbcalt Over working a h6liday forWhiCh y6U Were:paid Oilly,straight time? ',ii'I',,r,;,,,',,

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MH Okay, um'and zonb,,Ma,qenals, how many officers on site at a time?

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AH One (1)...one (1) officer; and ids;just u-mform? no vehicle.

MH Um and you respottded directly to the site?

AH Yeap.:,t::i.

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MH How would one know itrai you we{e at that,sirc when you were supposed to be

there?

AH You'd call the off duty log at the precinct. Thads what I did, 'cause at the time we

didn't have the new poliry. So, I Called'the off duty log, and put myself in there.

MH Uh hum.

AH Um, but pretty you were there by yourself. It's a huge rock curryt. You're there byyourself for eight (8) hours.

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MH Yeah, and my...my understanding is, if you call the off duty 1og, you say, I'mgonna be there, here from twenty-hundred (2000) to oh six-hundred hours(0600).

AH Uh hum.

MH And you don't hav,,g to contact when you're lea 'n8? ,,,'",,..',,

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''.'MH ...and then at bh six;hundred (0600),]tou,'pulled out? :i

MH And, whether your...and...and you know, that was a little'bit of a challenge'for:.'.,r'ni"'.;...i...'....:mein,,soriie of tni5. ,, ,,, ',

MH Um,.you hoy, *ii"r I worked ..and I worked in Tempe, that's why I was

running through thoie,town h6uses, , '' .1,,,,

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MH Um, course we also were at*iys' ata"fuugh the department. But I think...Ithink things might be getting to , that. Um, my understanding is, they're

considering that. Okay, um, about hoW.often, oh you only worked it nvice.

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AH Twice. .,

MH And how long after you worked it, did it take for him to pay you, do you recall?

AH Um, it was...it was quick, because it was at the beginning before. It was...it was

well before all the pay system went to him.

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MH Fair enough. Um, and that was, you said, uniform, affanged through Phoenix

P.D.?

AH Yes.

MH Okay. Um, okay the Food City parking lot...

AH Uh hum. "

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MH That one's a lide curious,to fie, for obvious'reasong ,Um, I mean George owns a

busingss in thgre. t; ,..',..',', ' ,. . '', ',' ,.,, ,, , ,,

AFI Yes.

MH Um, so you do have any idea ho#.,that,job came to be?" ,, '

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AH f ,,workea that;ob, f'#Outa say nol ntor.e that four (4) times. I didnlt work it very

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"AH Urr, I :ididn:t, I was,,, uncter the understanding it was under a different

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AH ...*ho then, I don't know, gave it to George. -I-.ibut I don't knoW how that job

came to be. It just kind.ofi,Came, itjuSrkind.',of was- ,,..,, ,'..'.

MH sure. :', .:, l,'..,,,. '",, " "

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AH Was...he told he was working it, a lot,:

MH Uh hum.

AH And I, you know, and he...he one time if I'd like to work it. And I said, "Well if Iczlll, yeah I'11...I'll squeeze a shift in." And, it was a fairly, you know, routine easy

job. I mean, you were just in the parking lot walking.-.

MH Uh hum.

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AH ...walking, driving behind, so it was, abs...it was, you know, a pretty easy job.

MH Uh hum. You said something that acrually I was gonna get to in a minute. UilI,you said that your understanding was that it was under a different coordinator.Who was the coordinator that you were aware of?

AH I can't be positive.

MH Uh hum. "' ','' ', j '' ':""' i

AH r think ir was S;Ve ;ai; #;, the originil c;iraidato, of that job. And, I don'tknow...I don't know if. i,,aSsumea that when George was asking me to work, thathewascoordinitor.'.].''.]

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AH Um; bbcause I:.,I would think thal if Steve:w-a.q the coordin3tor, if he,w.4nted me- ' t; ;orn t*;ura "J fiiiffiiuial. I assum-e there was. some,kin{,,,of transfer- of

the job.

MH 'Okay,:uln and'reg#s...fo isteve as,,.the, Coordinator,,wer.e there any other...other

;oUsyou*ere awlrerof;j thathe'*ui tttlcosidrnator that he worked? '

AH No,..no.l.i:tbn't ttirrt t,rr. $"r *orn d,ior Stef'e has cor- utt, *itH him being the

MH Okay, how 'bout um, and I..,I kind of taking, h right,turn here, juil because we'reher-e. Um, and I can't pronounce his,lastname, but Ben, Sergeant Ben:'

AH (Inaudible). :':

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...:MH Thank you.

AH Uh hum.

MH Um, did you work any jobs, that he was coordinator?

AH No.

MH Okay. Um, okay, we'll get back to that.


AH Okay.

MH Um, in regards to a log for that job, do you recall there being a log?

AH I think, I...I...think I didn't work it very, but I...I think that it was kept in his

guitar shop. And, I'd think I'd go in and sign it and fill it out for, and I would filloug uh, kind of a duty report, like what my activities were, during the shift, whatI would do. :, ' , ..,,,,,."" .

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MH Okay, that's...I mean that's what I've heard from'.othbfs. ,,

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MH Um, and was kept in his guitai, an;t idea why? ,,,

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AH It just,.he would...uzual$ when.,o1V.hen I worked the job', his,g*uitar shop was

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AH And so, um, it kind of gave us a place to cool off, get...you know...get drinks, use

his.restroom. But thitls where the log was kept. 'I didn't think anything of it. Ijust thought, you know;,yog went inr.. ;:.t,1,,, .r,t ,,,

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AH ...and.he;was,"since f thought,be was tne co nator of',the,jobt.,,n. always had

the log. :

AH And so I could go to'him,.,,.and I wou-ldnt have to worry about tracting it down,

from someone who had it,fte night before. Just'get turned in there...

MH Uhhum. ', , . ," ,':

AH ...the next officer that worked it. 'It Wodld...it would always be available.

MH Sure, and that, and that was a one person job?

AH One person job in uniform, no pauol vehicle.

MH Okay, and about how many hours each shift?

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AH I think that was a four (4) hour job.

MH Okay, um, do you remember roughly when you started working, when you

stopped working that job?

AH That one was one that I...I didn't work it very, so I don't...

MH Okay. , "",

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AH ...I d.on't recall e"ait;,..ifre "ia.t

aates I wo*a it-:; r: ,

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MH Sure, um, you responded directly to that locatibn?

AH yes. ,' ,, ,...,1. , i; ':' t ' ,,,1

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MH Okay, um in regards to advising that you were,on site, what did you do?

-..',','AH Um, that would be the.j.the,,i"-b. That, would piob...that r19gld around the

time we had. to cle# on ttte iiaio. You always have to call the off,duty log.

AH You always have to put:yourself in the log. That's the most important thing "t

q9precinit with the desk aide.' And then, you tlhat was the time when you wouldc1earovertheradioahd''w..'ThisiswhereIm.at:,1:''.

MH Okay. ,

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AH For these times

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" 'MH Okay, and for that job, were you paid directly by the..,the customer, or were you

paid ttrough Raptor Services?i I '.,.'' .,it , ,1 ""'

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AH Thar one, I...I think I was paid 6y Rapmi services on that one.

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MH Okay, um I think...and that was ananged through Phoenix P.D., obviously, that's

why the coordinator.

AH Uh hum.

MH And you said that was in uniform, right?

AH Yes ma'am.


MH Okay, um, do you recall, on that job again, and I'11 ask about both, 'cause I know

you worked Arizona Materials, maybe a couple of times.

AH Uh hum.

MH Food City parking lot a couple times, do you recall if you ever left the shift early?

AH No, I did not leave the shift early on any of those jobs.

:

MH Okay. Um, Cinco ae.,Mayo d Hispanic,Festival; fiestls Patrias I mean there's,

like I said, theret a.1vlrbfe,bunch of'namAs foi it'' r .' r ",,

AH (Overlapping) Uhhurn, ,, ,,,,,.i r;,

MH Um, do you recall,'and I guesS we,shOuldttalk abo-ut,one before the other, because

they are.. th"y are different. '

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MH So, the Cirr.o de May,,g is the one, if I recall correctly, you said, started downtown,

and then moved ".to

U1t Culvin Pirkway. : "'

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MH By the bisebell stadiffi is.w-trat I've was told, by the zoo or something

AHBythe...bythePhoenixzoa;iiwasclosetothe'2bo.

MH Okay...sure, um bn that one, obviously there were quite a number of officers

workingattimes,myunderstahding. ' , .,,,','" ,..'',i '',,,,

AH

MH Um, what was...do you..*"*ber i'oUgtrtt the first year you worked that job?

AH I would think that the first I wor4,ga that job, as I'd say, as far back as two-

thousand and five (2005).

MH Okay, and what was the most recent year that you worked that job?

AH I worked that job...I worked one of those nro jobs, it was at the pre...the central

city precinct.

MH Uh hum.

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AH Sixteenth (16*) and uh...I don't know if it's Yuma, it's down...down around thatarea.

MH That's like in Mohave, Yuma, something like that.

AH Um...yeah...rm, I worked that job, Mohave, I worked that job, um, in two-thousand and seven (2007).

MH Okay, um, and so yotl didnlt work it in two-thousand eight (2008)?

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_AH Um,'cause b;r,October of,nvo-thousand and seven (2007) I was no longer, um,

MH ,' Ot av,,,oo,ibu knof'wie

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AH I know it was within,the last five, (5) rnonths. '

MH Yeah, um,"'I,think f got,,".if ,Was advised about Aprit Um, so y9u'$now, in theory,

he wouldn't have, iithit happens,,,you,knbW,:May four (4), five (5), three (3),

four (4), five (5), fouf (4), fiV€,(S), six (6), Somewhere in that time frame...:'

''',,,:.MH ...he wouldn't, in theOry sh6-uld,not h'ave bee,n toordinator for,that-..

,'.AH ThaCs correct. ' ' ..'

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MH ...trm, but you weren't contacted to work that by anybody else?

AH No...nope.

MH Tough to ask the hours and days, 'cause I'm sure that varied. U[], do you $uYS,

did you use marked, patrol vehicles for this job?

AH There were no marked patrol...no vehicles, it was all uniform, and usually we

were, uh, we were always partnered up, with...with someone, with another

officer. Um, and pretty much we told by George where to Post, where to go.

MH Uh hum.

AH What, you know.r. what...what...what we were supposed to do, and whatour...what the...what,,..what...what we were to do, what our detail was. He

would tell us to go, we usually always, in two's;'throughbut the whole...the whole

,,, l' ,.,, '.,,,,;::,

MH Okay, and _on

th1:'one ,Weie you paid by thb :the sponsors of the festival or

directly by Raptor? . '

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AH Uh, the first...the first times I worked those jobs, benueen,narg-thousand and five

(2005) to, nnrb:thousand,sbven (2007), I believe we were paid by the festivals. I

.*'t t" sure of, thuse, napioi Services toward the end, we' were getting

bverything that you.got paid,:was by him. " , , ' ,

AH So I would, assume;,,that if, I can't...I can't b" l-",q"

.f h: paid ,ii.re,. or if they paid

me. I got paid, but l don't know who paid me, if it was them or him,

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MH Okay, and are yo,l a*are of'.any other, um, personally awarei of any other offduty jobs, um, for which thg_ money runs through'some tfpe of business such as

naptor Services?

AH rhe firsi ti;d1t "i

r r,"uta:litn"i ilfi#l*ic;r, #as in.n"b.ilJ"t"na and six.

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MH

AH

MH

MH

AH

Uhhum.,..:..l:.li).:..:.:]]i:'.'':

And, I got a ten ninety-hine.',(t099),ftom naptor Services, and I didn't even know

what it was for. ':,:, ,,' .:

Uh hum...uh hum.

Because I am, from what I underitood, was it was going to be easier. It was

going to make telxes easier.

Uh hum.

Instead of gening a ten ninety-nine (1099) from, you know, four or five differentjobs. We'd be gening a ten ninety-nine (1099) for the coffect amount, just one.

AH

MH Sure.

AH That's all we, you know.

MH Sure, and actually I'm just looking your um...

AH Yeap. r ,

MH ...two-thousand five (2005)., t'wo-ttrousand six (2006), bkay here's two-thousandsix (2006), and nnro-thousand sev,en (2007); these aie,Ciicle K.

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MH And then we see one:for nrro-thousand six (2006) from Raptor.

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MH And, rffi, (inaudible) I'm not #orried a6out that, ' What ,is Burling'Gametlousfi ei;, is ttrur *"..nt*,** ut r,.l'r, svstems thT::.:""uoned,on tnerel

AH Uh hum, which one is. this, nvo-thqusd seven 120O,p?-, , :: : :r::,.'' r ' "

MH It says, yeah, theib's 'a couple thal:said Burling Game Industries. Do youremember which job that wo-uld have been foiZ "'i

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AH rwo-thduCida "na

#,,tibtiji rrr"t #o,rra'iL!;,,i , nade'Roofir,g, that wasn't

MH Oh, otay, ti iuaiUfel "*; of.uy, td il"...tigltr,4ow, I'vrc got the two-thousand five(2005) of dir.f. r<.

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AH Uh hum. ;

MH Two-thousand six (2006) from: Rap'tbr,,,,,nvo-thousand six (2006) Circle K fwo-thousand seven QAO\ Circle'(, um,- do you remember at all if you had any otherten ninety-nine's (1099) from Raptor Services?

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AH Two-thousand and seven (2OA7),I was one of the one's that did not get a tenninety-nine (1099) from him.

MH Okav.

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AH The only way I can do my taxes, was, I had to go into the off duty log and add up

every single one of the shifu, that, 'cause the reason I got a Circle K, 'cause they

covered for the fi.rst four (4) months. Then when itwent to George...

MH Uh hum...uh hum.

AH ...then he was supposed to pay. So, literally, mI tax lady said, "You don't have a

ten?" I said, "I haVe no ten ninety-nine (1099)." I.ad up, this is what I made'

MH Sure. ;

AH I'm claiming, because I know he's claiming it.

MH Uh hum. .' ;' :',,' ''' .

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AHAnd,Ididn'tknowifitwasa,Iwasn'ttalkin8.tohim

MH Uh hum. '' .,

AH"' ,,, i jia;;iir.it'wai;'un.'.'treri:iwas mad ar me or *ttut;ibut I never rAteivea qny tax

info adon rto* ttiilrib r aia on my own:

MH Sure;,and'i mean,,',i.l::i underiqand that, uh, probably ninery perciint (900/o) of

PhoenixP.D.iswherewbdidexetutesearchwarrants..'.]'.:.i.:i...|........i.:.'.,.....,'.....

AH Uhhum. ' - ;

MH And um, that #as part,of the famous rurnourmill we were tryilg to avoid in all

this. We've been trylng to keep this as low key as possible.

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MH Um, you know, orrb'of:'' ,marn reasons.:ls,,you knbw, we don't *ittt to bring

attention to people who don't need the ittention. You guys need to go out and

do your job. "' ,,,,,, ., .

AH Yeap.

MH You don't...you don't need the attention, and um, and in doing so, obviously I

came across some ten ninety-nines (1099's) and I...I don't have, um, it in your

folder right. They might be, uh, being processed sti|}, but, um...

AH Ten ninety-nine's (1099's) that were for me, for two-thousand and seven (2OO7).

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MH Well, and I...I don't recall which year, that what I was looking for'

AH Okay.

MH So, I...I don't want to speak out of school, but...but when we come across them,you know, and you know, something that looks like this.

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AH 'Cause this is the only one I received from him. , ' '.,

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MH uh hum' 'i ' ' '::' " "1 . .."

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AH ...still to thii'day if thatrs :f.,f. if, thfs ,Ragtgr Servi,ce one-is for'the Cinco de Mayo

AH I never really asked him, I just assumed well it's,a ien ninety-nine (1099), so I'll.lturnitirito*y'toddJ..:--..i..:...'.'il

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MH Sure...sure.'..um, but when we went across:copies of them, stacl$ of copies ofthem, in,our,,search #,[*ant; We don't know if he,,submined it tb the I.R.S.

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MH we dont too* if:yoq guis gbtit. wb don't who's got it. i ,,

AH Yeah. ,,,,,, ,,,, ,, i.,..,'. , .',:...., ,t,.,',t,, ,,,

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MH We don't know if it's accurate, we don't know, you know, when there's a couple,it's like okay, which one's correct?

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AH As of right now, that is the orrly ,.r, ninety-nine (1099) I ever received fromRaptor Services.

MH Okay, good, that's good to know, thank you. \rVhich is, why we asked for yourstuff.

AH I understand.


MH Compare what...what you gpys got, and what you guys thought you had, to whatwe found.

I know in t'wo-thousand and eight (2008), I seven (7), I was very...I was not

happy because I wanted to get that ten-ninety nine (1099) to see what...whatwas going to be said, that I made.

Right. :::,!i: ' ,,, , ,:,

It wasn't safe, and the impression"that I got from...from George, and we

explained that, all this exua work he was doing.::

Uh hum.

Was...was...not, he wasn't being paid for it. And he told me that, "I'm not being

paid for this anymore." And, so I came to the conclusions from what he was

leling that he had something worked out with them. So, me staying was because

I didn't feel comfortable, it was easing my conscience-

AH

MH Sure.

AH And when I didnt j"t,ii;, fwasnt talking to him, I wasn't not gonna claim, 'cause Iknow he's gonna ctaim it;',, . ; ,

MH Right...right...right.. Um, I think we've gone through all of those. Okay, talkedabout that alreadyji:rlinaudible) ,aJmost done here.,, Oh, one question that Ithought of. Um, you said theiC waS somb occasions thht um, you would leave the

shift ear,!3r.'chuse George iaid, "Hey,,,it's slorar wq're. done, #e?reteaving." You'd

MH um, ry,fg,vou're at,,fhelbrecinct, wtrat woulu tou,,o. oolnsz ',

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AHHangingout,waitingeverynight.I,d(inaudible)watajob.

AH That now I don't have a iar,,I donthave,it signbd on, I don't have a computer.

MH Uh hum.

AH I wasn't going ro go back to the town homes in rny personal vehicle and stand

AH

MH

MH

AH


MH Sure.

AH

MH

AH

MH

Um, had the world ended at the town homes, and I was there and aware of it.Yeah, I'd probably would have gone back, because it's the job that I'm still, youknow.

Sure' ,;'' . ',i

Ifee1,I'msti11supposedtobethere,but...,: i.r'r , . ' ,.,

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-i ...Let me ask thisirquestiqn; when you Were at the.precinct, did you monitor theradio? ,

AH Times, no.

MH Okay..,okay. Um,' 'cause I meanr,,!.'.v,,g .had sbme guys say, "Yeah, I just listen tothe radio, in Case anything weni aown.l' Ycu knoW some'b,tyt, maybe they gotbaclq and um. Well and this is something,that is hard to understan4 V9l know.-You've got somebody who-'s'gotta right paper. It's maybe got a couple of hours ofwriting to do. Um, thele's a..,theret an oppotn*i* onsite to do ,so,

MH But George.was sayi4S,iNo, we're fbhna.Bo back,to'the precilctr?' ,

.......i...,.,'...,.....ii'.'..,.AH We prefty much always;,,umi!,w€nt back to thE precinct. ,' ,';',,, "t

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BC Um,,'at,south,Motintain station;::isn't theie a radio thht...*rat is'on::all the time,over the P.A. systems, so if hi call comes oqt,'wouldrr't here it,. even if your in theweight room?

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AH There's a...there's a radio at the front deCk that's usually on, you can radio traffic.,,r: I , ], ,

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MH Sure, okay, good to know, thankyou.,'" ,,,''

AH (Overlapping) But, uD, I...my radio, urr, well I...I don't know, causethey...during the other investigation, um, P.S.B., um, the radios know whenthey're on and off.

MH Uh hum.


AH So, I mean...I mean I know there were times when my radio wasn't on, when Iwas at a precinct...so...

MH Sure, okay. Um, obviously, um, you know, I mean and you this. You know some

of the records I have show that, um, let me back up...Cotton Center.

AH Yes.

MH Were you paid at the beginning of the month, after the::shift, were you paid late,tell me how that worked? ' '" .' ', t',,

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AH There were times ifrai ieclitithit we w'eiel,paid mfore,ttre shift. And, there weretimes that we were paid aftei, UrL Uut t ab i'bnember there being times, wherewe...we got our money befofe we ever worked th. t*tt. ..,.

.'..|......'....:.......'.'...;.....iMH Uh hum, okay. Um, and that was my understanding was, it was sel up to be paid,

beginning of ithe month for thif montfr, um, and that George would submit

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MH ro inaiiite,who strOuialUe paid, h9w much, does. a ,sounO

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AH (Overlipping) Yes, indthenihe would...he woufd,prtinide us,the ihecks.,, ," , '' : :1,, 'i i,,, ' .,,., "' '. ',, 1.,': "i'

,::: ,,' ::;: !: i :i: !r: ::::::: :::" .,,',.,,MH Okay, umland you know...I'm sure as you're awaie, you know, in...in looking at

this, that,,and the,,gtherl'rbdoids,,and snlfil,.'..'Lton, it'does appearithat there wereshifu,;,thii,.,,ttrat ro'u #ar" 'bt,,on site. " .' , , '

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MH That you...that you were paid for. ':

AH Uh hum. :

MH And you've explained to me hoW that happeaed, and. that's...that's what I neededtoknow...um... ', '|''

AH Um, can I tell her about the...the last shift, with my wife?

BC Sure.

AH I think I should. Um, the last shift that I worked with George.

AH

AH


MH Uh hum.

MH

There's a reason why there's a gap.

Uh hum.

Between when I worked the second to the last shift and the last shift. And it wasbecause of all that was going on.

MH Sure.

blank€t...:t

MH

MH

MH

AH

MH Sure.

AH And so she said, "I need to go to the hospital now."

AH Um, I felt that, he's a friaa.of mine; and.,he's nqt even, he wasn't listening towhat I was sayrng to,him, ''And it kind of it'gbt me realiy, I was really urked bythe fact that,,, you know, I've told him, I'd like to iwork, you know, thewhole...even if...I:..the way I €xplaihed it, was you have,.."l didn't go to thosemeetings...You.did.'.Iidon'-t.','.ki1rd''..offee1likeI,munder.'!l'ut...that...at

AH

AH

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'i...and that you are.l' He told me, 'Everything's fine, don't wo4ry about it, it'sworked out." The last..,ttrat's why I stopped working the job, Url, theset...there2s a...there's a good gap..:two (2) or tlrree,:,(3) months"behnreen my lastshift. And I took the,last shift; because he kept asking fl€, "Hbw come you're notworking:..how Come you're not working this.lir, tffiir t<now t, d61't really need itright now,t',, And, I finally took a last..:the last, shift that I worked, Um, well overhave the shift; I got a phone call frorn rny. ife;,r,:r ,,,'"t ,, , , ,

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Uh hum. ,''

And rny wife had said,,,um, she was very sick. She'had...turnbd outishe had, uh,somethingcalledmastitious.,, , . .' ,..,: :", ',. "

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And it was when we just had our, umj oui fourth (4d') child.

MH Right.

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AH So, my mother-in-law watched the kids. I told George there, I said,

"My...my...wife...well my wife needs to go to the emergency room, I need to takeher." And he said, "That's fine...let's we need to go." So l...but I told him, "Ireally need to make these hours up." 'Cause I think there was a time, when I gotpaid. And I said, "I need to make these hours up."

MH Uh hum.,'

AH Um, "Whether I can woik the shift, just get paid for six. Work in...be workin..."And he said, "Dbnlt, wo.qgr,. ifs.,.ifU be taken carej We1ll take care of it." So Iwent, the time *e''*6t ttck,,to the pr.[in.tr:uttdriss; secure, then I went home,

and took my wife tiiht,tO'.ne noipitai.

MH Uh hum. ,,t tt' t,,' ," '" '' ' ' :

:,AH And was theib.nntii seven (7:00) oI- eight tA'OO) in the morning. That's why

there's such a large discrepan.y i" the last shift. Problem'was, that job wentaway after [hat, and I ne.rei got an oppornrnity;to work againr,and then,once thiswent an internal, I .knew *hen they askedr 'rI' mean I'm telling them why'-. :, :".that...wfiy.thafi tit<e that. And, so that.::that.;.that was one

ltrat Concerned me,

l":?yt" it's...it's a pretty good, pretty good :gap,..four (4) hours, I'm...I'm

MH (Overlipping) Surel:t.ino did Geoige'leave when:ybu''left? ,' ,

AH Yes. ,"' ', ,, ,' "

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AH I don't recall,him goins,,back to the 'iite. :.Uq I wasnt, I got in my cai,and left.

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AH So, um, I don't know if he did o n- ',,, :.:':'

MH Sure...sure...when you went back, do you recall if the vehicle was turned in?

AH Um, I pretty sure, we, if we signed off the M.D.T...

MH Uh hum.

AH ...which it was, the vehicle was rurned in.


MH

AH

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MH

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MH

Okay, and that's...that sound consistent. Urr, do you remember about what datethat was, I mean just a...rough estimate.

If you...the only thing l can say, it's the last shift I worked there.

Okay.

So whatever record3 you have, it would be...

You said you had a four (4) week old. ' ,

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Um, no, it was.,.it'wasr,:.we haa a new 6orn, at.,:,ht,,..well actually, she was bornin January of, two thousand iix (2006): BUL mt,wife she nursed for the(inaudible) and *rat's what ciused it.. ,;t'

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rhat wouldr(inaudi6r'O1:it.rt,i Jt noi: ii. ud - tgfii let me :gr"r,." through this,real quick, and make'surb I've covered everything. Do you haveiany questions forme right now? :l:::,,,,,.,,,,,,t'.u',,.,,,,,,,,,, . , , ,1. 11,,,.

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BC I've got something'i,iwant tb,' m$e umi,lwe mn add ot cladfi':Um, Andrew howdid,you view your relationship, uh, with .Gebrge;,,,um, regarding these off duryjob's, vies.a-vie; employ€e/.eiryployei, bupewiSorlsub6fdinate?

AH He was, by being the coordinator; he,,wai pretty much my supervisor. \,Vhat I felt,whatever he said, went, I had no reason not to trust him, 'cause he'd never, hadnever, given me any reason not to, he'd always taken care of us. And, so the wayI looked at him, was that he was my boss at the job. Um, my working theredid...did...my working there relied on well I worked for him.

MH Uh hum, okay, um, only thing I think of, in...in regards to the subpoena, did youkeep, that you recall, any kind of calendar, showing what shifts worked, when oranything of that nature?

AH I did. I...I get rid of all my calendar, I don't have.


MH Okay...okay.

AH Um, I don't have any log books. I...I really on the log that the precinct has, whenwe call in, 'cause I call in, for every 1og. Every time I worh I call in.

MH Okay, that's totally fair. Some people do, and some don't.

AH (Inaudible). :

MH I always kept mine, if iact I thint I still have some from ten (10) years ago and

AH I'm not sure how tar.back,the department goes on keeping ttt. off duty logs.

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, : .-- --^-^^::- l: ; rten ninety-nine (1099);,.or.,S,omething'might,5ho1y, that you worked a shift, when

AH vou rnean, ffi. mar" *ilirr*" ffifiid b",on tte;" *gtking;bu,I *u* at home?

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AH Or...I...I was gening, fm gening a ten ninery-nine (1099) for money that Inever...l did never work.

MH Right.

BC Like a ghost employee?

AH Yeah.

MH And/or, I mean in a legitimate explanation for example, was, that myunderstanding, at one juncture, Circle K jobs, sometimes people would split theshift.


AH Yes.

MH But the ten ninety-nine (1099) would go maybe to the first officer in error.

AH The...the Cirde K job there was, it was major problems every year with the tenninety-nines (1099).

MH Uh hum..:,

AH And, I don't...thb beginning'of my career...the beginning of when I worked off

MH Uh hum.

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AH 'iUm, but,.,the ten ninety-nines (1099's) I receircd,,those couple'yeafs; ,,l msan I fiad''l'.aF

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AH So I'd'gO aown there, but ttrei *ere always pretty much right on with what Imade. But.,.:I've.n-e-vgr,.I, would say no to,that, to that,,QueStion. ,I never reallyreceived nJ'l'.*narr'I, was supposed io be workin$, toggea in, ,but I wasnitworking.

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MH Okay, and um, so back tolimy original queStion;'on any of the other jobs, can yousee a reason why I would say, "You worked, or you got paid for working whenyou didn t." is there... "'' , , , I ,. i

AH No it shouldn't. ::::;"

MH ...or, okay, or um, for example, and I'11 just...I'll just give you an example. Itappears to me, based on what I found, and I've gotta do, I've got one other place Ineed to look. Towards the end of the Cotton Center, some people were working

AH I see...I didn't even know that.


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Yeah, um, and again, I've got to um, I've got one other place I have to look to...toconfinn, from what I'm seeing. But, um, you know, if there's suppose to be two(2) people, maybe why it...why are the records not showing that there shouldhave been two (2) people working. Can you...I mean, can you think of anyreason why that might happen?

No.

MH I wouldn't want to.

MH And I'm just asking,youi help on that r€Sp€ct, ,:

AH (Overlapping) No;.:wh€n.,,.Wtren'I wbrked.,..,ffien I worked that job, it wasalways two (2) man. I never worked without a partnei...um...

AH ...I...I qouldn't sec w, r, um, so,,basically the question is, there's one (1) manworking the job, but the job's being billed for,'twb (2)?., , -

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MH Um, okay, let me just glance in here real,,,quiCkl t think...I think that's it. And,just in case you wanted to".know;,,'um,,,per what we could find on M.D.T. andthings like that, it appears that there #ere thirty-seven (37) hours that you hadbeen paid for, that you had not worked, total.

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Okay.

Again that you know?

The and that's the other thing that I wanted to explain was that, with the majorityof that...

AH

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...um showing up when I started my shift, is when...is when...is when I started.And, the times from when you signed...

Uh hum.

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I can explain usually, but the M.D.T. being signed on, iigped off, and the time toget ready, you know; an hqut toj.fOrffi-nVb (45) rninulgs to an hour. But whenasked, was there,tim

So,,so,wfati:you're"Cayig,,=is;..ftofi the time you qrnved at the precinct, uiititr youiiigqed,,,oil the M.D..T1.'.andrfibre enroute to the,location coula Ua as much asuan

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'Cause once you drivdr,in, an{ get secured, and you $et, take all your gear off thatcould be another half an hour.

Sure.

So...thirty-seven (37) is...is t<ina of itrigfr.

I'm not gonna say that...that...that's Imean I know we left the job early.

Right...right.

And, that's something I had talk to him about...um...

(Inaudible) paper, make sure I didn't miss anything....George?

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AH Yes, ma'am.

MH I do believe that's it. Okay, awesome, um, any[hing else you can think of rightnow, that you want to ask me, anything you think that might be important to be,that I haven't asked you about, that um, that would be important to share.

AH Um, I think that pretry much covered it pretry well. .::

rou kno*, 'cause I know, I alwaysdo it.

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MH Afterwards I gb, f'Oh,''w-trat about this." ioU know;:.,tet Bob know if you would,contact me, I mean unless,he's.cornfortable, contact me directly.

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MH Um, I'm going to go make a copy of this; uh, you...you...do you want a copy aswell? ':

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AH Yes...if...yes, if I could have a copy I could appreciate it.

MH (Inaudible) make two (2), sure...sure...absolutely, and um, anything for youBob?

BC That's it.

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MH Okay, awesome, it's uh, what, it's oh nine twenty (0920).

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STATE OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERALSPECIAL II\MESTIGATIONS SECTION

TRANISCRIPTION OF INTERVIEW

DATE WRITTEN: February 9,2AA9

CS,SE NAI\tIE: SW200B-003I49

NUMBER: P002 2007-003090

REPORT TY?E: Transcription of Interview-Kevin Reiff


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JS This is Jim Schwegel and Dave Baize. It is Monday, August Twenty-five, Two-thousand eight (09-25-2008), at three-fifty (3:50):in,the afternoon.' And we're atthe residence of Kevin Reiff R-E-I-F-F, and we're gonna attempt to see if he's homeand available for an interview. Hi. , '

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KR Hey guys,, ,

JS Hi we're from the Attorney General's Office.. ..'- -l... ' : . .,

KR Yeah....",:

JS Can we talk to you for a minute?

KR Yeah.

JS Thanks.

KR What's going on?

JS Uh, we've been assigned an investigation that revolves around off duty work.

KR Okay.

JS And we wanted to talk to you.

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KR Okay.

JS Sit down? We have a series of questions to go through. If I could sit close to thelight it would be a litde bit easier.

KR Sure go ahead.

JS Okay, thanks.

DB I'm Special Agent Dave Baize.i ...., I ,.. , . ,KR How you doing?

JS And my name's Jim Schwegel. . ,:

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JS And we're recording the interview as well. And your name is Dave Roof...Reiff?

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KR Six'eight-five-three(6853)l

JS And we're at your home. And thb time is three fifty-four (3:54), on AugustTwenry-fifth (09-25). Is it correct you employed as a Police Officer for the City ofPhoenix?

KR Yes.

JS And when did you start with Phoenix?

KR Um, July of Nineteen Ninety-eight (1998).

JS Okay, do you know George Confferas?

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KR Yes, I do.

JS And how do you know George?

KR Um, I know George through um working Pauol on South Mountain Precinct.

JS Have you heard of Raptor Services? ,,

KR Yes.

JS What do you know about Raptor Services? ' . '

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KR Actually the only thing'I know the Raptor Services-'is that's um, George's business

or business name

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KR Um, I done um, right'iow il* *otting onrg'place called Mzona Materials. fveworked the Cinco de Mayo festival, Um, and the uh,'Mexigafl Inde...uh...MexicanIndependence festivals, I've worked thoie. And'I also worked, um, Grant Park

Apargnents.;.and a town home complex at Forty-eighth (48*) Street and

Broad-way. "' ' ' ''' '' 'i'

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JS Were any of those through George Contreras's, uh,'coordination?

KR Yes.

JS A11 of them or some of them? . '

KR Um, (inaudibte) yeah, every...every one of them, um, was through George.

JS Okay, and we have some notes in here. Did you, did you ever work with Cotton

Center?

KR That the...it's that the...that what the name of tovrrnhomes is, is that the officialname for the town homes?


JS You know what.

KR 'Cause I know there's a there's like a...

JS I think...I think...I think it's a shopping center actually.

KR Yeah, there's...there's the...cause I know there's a place Cotton Center...CottonCenter Boulevard; that's not too far from there, I don't...

JS So maybe the tornm homes is what You.,.?

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KR I don't know exactly *tr"t they, um, because they use to be called the Villas East.

I don't know if theystill are or not. I don't know if they changed.

JS My best gqess is CottonC.nral*", some kind.rof-small, um, shoppint center withstores inlt, but I mig[r.-t,be wrong:. ,,.i,, .' '' ,,,,"

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Okay, um do you recall how much you w€re paid per hour for these jobs?

Forty ($+o;, forty-five ($+s1 dollars an hour.

Okay, I already sort of asked you this, um, the jobs that you outlined they all were

through um a job.. jobs that George was the coordinator for it, is that right?

Yes.

Okay, what was the last off duty job you worked for under George Contreras?

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UrD, before Arizona Materials, before he left the Department, before his

coordinator duties were taken away from I was working, uh, Arizona Materials.

Have you been paid for all the hours and jobs that you worked under Georges,

um, coordination?

Yes, I have.

You mentioned a 'series o-f jobs, trD, can you go through them kind ofchronologically, um, as to when y€u began working them, in.terms of time of the

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I rhink the first...rhe,firsr job that I ever...the firitroff duty job I ever worked forGeorge was um, the Mexican Indepqndence Festival. Um, when was fhat, was

that uh, September of Two.thousand (2000), yeah that be September of Two-

thousand five (O9 / 2005).

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Yeah it's um, I think it's like uh it's just...it's jusl gh, it's a weekend thing. It's

starts on Friday night and runs through Sunday nigtrt. U1, a1d.I worked two ofthe nvo nighx for them. I think Sanrrday and Sunday night. 'I think it was. Um,

so we had that, and then uh, come May they would always be the Cinco de Mayo

festival. Um, I worked one (1) or two (2) days for that. Um, let me see, then wehad the towrr homes, but when was those-2 Oh, was that two-thousand six(2006), oh wai two-thousand seven (}OO:T)? I'can't even remember'now, uh...

Arizona Materials had come up.t'..

Yeah, the I did the town homes, I can't remember if that was like, um, when theystaft doing rhat? A couple days here and there, between I think May throughSeptembei when it all stopped. I can't remember if that was oh-six C06) or oh-

seven (A7). And then Grant Park Apartrnents, um, I only worked that a couple

times for him. I *rink that was also in oh-seven ('O7). Then Arizona Materials,yeah you know what, Arizona Materials I started working thatNovember...November of oh-seven ('07), and I'm still working...working that

Present.


JS OkaR this might help on what Cotton Mater...Cotton Center is, um, according to

the notes I was given, you worked there with another officer on occasion. Url,you worked theie with um, Jean Trenth, Jed Fisher, Ben Sparting-Simon, does

that name sound familiar (inaudible)?

KR Uh hum.

JS In...in light of working...do you remember working with those...those officers, at

an off duty job?

KR Yeah, with Jed...Shawn Drenth, did I work thatrwith Ben? Yeah, maybe I did'

Thatwas...thatwould have been the town homes.. , I

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KR Yeah, the town homes, yeah.

JS , Okay, now the only job yqu.still is the Arizona Materials? ':. ',: -. .. . ' , ,,,.:......i...,'......]l

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:-'JS Uh, about how manyPolice officers worked, um, let's start with Arizona Materials,

um, when you workin8.at...at the same time?. r. ,. ,, ,

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JS Okay.

KR Um, I don't know how many people he had working at the (inaudible)?

JS yeah, and the...the question was, um, when...when you worked that assignment,

it was just a one (1) officer?

KR yeah, it's just the one (1) officer job. Um, like the festivals and stuff, there.. .

JS Those would be multiple officers for sure?

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Yeah, those would be anywhere, I'm guessing ten (10) to twenty (20).

And with regard to what I call the Cotton Center and you call the apartments, uh,

how many officers would normally work that?

That was a two (2) officer job.

Okay, does Arizona Materials require a marked Police car on site?

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Does it sometimes involve a marked Police car?

Arizona Materials?

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Yes.

Uh, tell me about a typical shift for that particular job?:

..Um, get our car, sign on, um'cause you know, we'd have a call sign. Um, head

o1r"r io the...to thelomplex. And'it's a nnro (2) part complex that actually splits,

it's um, and just patrol around,'um, you know see what's going and see whose

out. You know, make contacts, contact people, um, you knOw, check 'em for

warrants...and...and that type of stuff. Um, you know we were also monitoring

radio traffic for any calls of service that might of come out in complex. We were

responsible for that while we were there.

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you know the...the hours kind of varied. We could kind of...of...make 'em up

as...as...as we wanted. It was uh...it was an eight (8) hour shif...eight (8)...eight

(8) hour shift. Then certain days were ten (10) hour shifts. I can't remember the

break dovrn of it, which ones were eight (8) and which ones were ten (10)' Url,but we could work the shift whatever hours. Um, work for, you know, the t'wo

(2) officers out working. And so if we wanted to, you know, cgTe in at five

iSrOOl at night and woik'til three (3:00) in the morning we cguld d9 $at, if we

wanted .ottiu in you knorm, eight (B:00) at night and wolk'til-six (6:00) in the

morning we could do tfrat. Itls whatever...wha gvgr.worked out best.

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Okay, so the um, thg alTangement was, you would work the assigned hours, but

start and end time c6uld...could change accoiding to your own preferences?

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And when you would sign on, um, would you, um, actually just sign on the radio

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And does that interact with the precinct or that a separate um, notification

process...the Precinct iself.

No, that...that:goes through, uh,ithrough communications bureau, um, through

our, through dispatch.,, Um, 4ctually you know what, it has to 8et'-we would

always uml sign itt at ttte precinct. Like at...initial log in would take place on the

computer at the Precinct. , . ,

I see.

At the terminal in the precinct. And then when you go out to your computer you

actually sign your computer on to...to that call sign.

Okay, so your beginning um, would start at the precinct itself.

Yes.

JS

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JS And you sign in there, and then um, get your vehicle and sign in on the computer

as you're in or out?

That's right...that's right.

Okay, did you check off...did you check off when you were cgmpJeted your

assignment with dispatch or radio, um, at the conclusion of...of the shift? How

would you...how would the shift come to an end?

KR

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KR We would just...we just sign off our computer and uh and leave, 8o home.'..,:

JS Okay, did we tum the vehicle to the precinct then?

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JS Ok"y, would you...would you siln,,out'affing there at the precinct as well, do

KR Not at the precincr, we had um, like a daily log for the...for the complex...that we

would fi|l out, that paper work. Um, basically cover on what we did throughout

the course of that day, anybody that we've...that we might have contacted, um,

you know we would #tit their name, date of birth, address and thatkind of stuff

dowri. Any calls of service that we,fuk in the'cognplex we'would note those

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um, binder, g*,,Yfuch we Would acnrally have with us while we

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Okay, and where was it stored at the precinct?

Uh, behind the front desk..

Okay, was this labeled um,'Aparfinent Complex," or some (inaudible)?

Yeah, it was labeled "Town Homes," or yeah.

Okay, and this is probably redundant but how were you paid for this job?

It was, um, paid by check.

Okay, how frequently would your...were you paid for this job?

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We're paid at the beginning of every month.

Okay, prior to the actual working of it, or after?

Yes, prior to acftal working of...of the shifu for that month.

Um, so how was it that there would be a...a knowledge as to when you would be

working on...was there, um, why don't you explain how, uh, how you would...so

George Contreras would pay you at the beginning for...for...for what you were

working?

Actually, the...the with the town homes we got through, I think it was the Home

Owners Association, uln related to the...to the to\m homes. UtD, my

understanding of it, was George at the beginning of everymonth would submit a,

um, drawing blank just to...to*hat,he would call it. - ', ,,, .,

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No, George would always ask, um, you know that I'd want to work on a Sunday

or a Monday or whatever

Okay, so he'd know ahead of time where...when you were scheduledto work as

weli at the other officers. He'd take that list, provide it to the land lord or the

coordinator on the apartrnent side. , They would issue checks to the individualofficers.

Correct.

This is prior to...prior to working, okay.

Uh hum.

And, would it be safe to say this job was alranged through Phoenix P.D.?

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JS Okay.

KR As far as I know, that would be correct.

JS Okay, as this may be a little redundant as well, but it's on my list here. Uh, who

have the off duty coordinators been for this job, this was the apartments job, since

you've started or fron December two-thousand five (2005) to present?

rordinator that I know of was George? And as far as I know that offduty job, uh, went away,'um, in September, And- I c1n't remember if it was oh-six

('06) or oh-seven ('07). I'rn drawing a blank on the time. '

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JS And when leaving the off duty job ea{y, did you advise anyone about what time

you had left?

KR Um, just the officer that I was working with.

JS Okay, what were the reason that you may have left the job early?


KR I assumed when I left the job early, uh I left the job early 'cause the officer I was

with wanted to leave early.

JS Okay, was it always a different officer, was it the same officer all the time?

KR Same officer.

JS And what officer was that?

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had...I had several nimes.'L.:L:,::I ran by, but primarily it was acftallyGeorge Contreras?

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Okay, were you ever paid for hours you did not work at an off duty job?.:

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Or would it be three (3)?

Well it was actually...it was actually two (2) occasions, um, the first occasion, um,

we left earty. Rnd then on the second one actually, the first one we left I believe

it was two (2) early when we...when we signed off. Um, the second time it was

about an hour early. But I didn't actually leave until the time was up. We went

back to the station, and I stayed at the station.

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And monitored my radio to make sure that nothing was going on over there. But

I didn't acrually leave the precinct.

So as...as we recall there were two (2) incidents, um...um once you left to put,

was it two (2) hours earlY?

Yes.

And the second time was:an hour eartry. But'o-n that second occasion you stayed

at the station until the,aCtual'shift had completed?

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that...I was also working with George.

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I was sick" um, and i regall coffectlyr it was probably about mid shift on that day.

It was an,eight (8) hour.,.it was an eight (8) hour 8r-8u€, and...aad I was sich and

I told George, you know, that I was sick. And he told me just go home.r ' . ,.t... . :,,'

Okay, did he remain behind, do you know?

As far as l know he did, yes. ': ' ' , ' . .

Okay, the hours that were computed, uh, by the analysis that was done on...show

that"there were thirteen (1-3) hours that were, um, not worked, that were billed.

Um, f befeve, I may be mistaken. But I believe they (inaudible) calculator that

was looking at, sign out times, and radio logs and such. Is that a possible figure

that it was really thirteen (13) . ..thirtgen (13) hours in total that.. .

Thirteen (13) for me?

Yes, thirteen and a half (I3L/z) is...is whatwas calculated.

That doesn't, that doesn't sound, that doesn't sound right to me.

Your...your recollection was there were three (3)...three (3) times.

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There...there was...there was three (3) occasions when I left early.

Okay, and once was mid-shift, uh, you weren't feeling well.

(Overlapping) I was sick, I wasn't feeling well.

Did, and um, was it your presumption that you would have stayed on the payrolt

even though, and George would have covered for you at that point?

I...I...

I don't want to speak ior you', :lVhatever...whatevgr.

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Um, and...and...and I was..."na you know, working and I just...I was like...I you

know. So, George told me go home, as far as I knew, 1lII1, he was staying, um,

and...and that wis that. And the other...the other two (2) times, like I said, I was

workins with George. And, the first time, he said he wanted...he wanted to

leave. -So *. left, that was about two (2j hours early. Um, I don't remember if I

went straight home, or if I hung around the stltion for a little,bit. The second

time, uh, he,, wanted to leave earlier than the hour. I told him that, I wasn't

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'Cause I wasn't.

So, we actually stayed out at the town homes, longer, and then um, went back

with about at hour left. And I stayed..,I stayed around the station and monitored

my radio'til the shift was over.

Okay.

, I!--Even though we did sign off the computer and everything.

Okay.

But I hung around.

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wrong on those figures, um...

Okay, and if there was a call you would have responded back out to the, uh, the

apartfirents?

yeah, if there...if there was a call out there, I was listening for a call, I wouldhave...I would have gone back out there. I would have found a way to get back

out there.

Okay...okuy, uh Dave do you have any questions?

No, I don't think so.

Anything you want to udd or'anylliing? ':' ' ,

No, that thirteen .and a half ,(!3Yz), that just:sounds, um, a little off.

It...it...sounds,way off to me, Unless thelfe looking in from the beginning of...

I think the period of time, is from two-thousand (2000) around December two-

ihousand five (2005) through December nvo-thousand seven (2OO7) I believe is

the...is the...is the...two (2) year period that they've...they've looked at. I may beI1... t , .'

yeah, t...lldon,t r*o*. rr, um, :ciuse i barely dia"i::.r didn't wm it iwhole lotuntil, I'm soJr5r whatwere the dates again that you said you were looking at?

Um, Decernber nnro-thousand five (2005). " .":' ' '" ,' , I

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Through um, I think December two-thousand seven (2}07):is the period of time

that tliey've...they've focused on, about two (2) years, starting in December two-

thousand five (2005).

(Inaudible) I really didft...I...really,didn't work it a lot, until I think it was maybe

it was oh-six ('06), that I was actually there. Yeah, it was...yeah it had to Sep...it

had to be nnro-thousand six (2006), that's when I...and I really only worked it alot for maybe two (2) months.

JS Yeah there were...there were some shifts were worked the entire tlrrl,assigned...assigned amount.

As...as best I can recall. Every shift that I ever worked there, I've worked the fulltime aside from those mentioned with...with George.

Okay.JS

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Um, as best I can recall every...every shif...no matter who it was I worked thatworked with, the other officers that you mentioned.

Uh hum...uh hum.

Um, we were there for...for...for a fullshift.

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JS Well, I don't have any::oth9r'quqqtions. There,is a subpoena to give you. And withState Grand Jury subpoena, we show you the ori$iiial. Uh we give you a copy.And there's two (2) ways to comply, uh one is to appbar before the Grand Jury onSeptember sixteenth (16*) two.thousand'bight (2008) at nine (9:00) A.M. andbring the atrached documents. There's a list that outlines what, um, is being(inaudible) for the other subpoena. And there's also an alternative compliance,um, that's listed on the front, and I'll point to that.

KR (Inaudible) I don't have any copies of those checks or anything. I might be ableto dig up a ten ninety-nine (1099) form for one (L) or two (2) years, but...

- ,i: ,..r arr : . . .. ,:JS I can't give you advice, but if...if...if there's stuff you don't have I would just, uh, Iwould prepare a letter acerting that, you know. The alternative compliance islisted on the lower left hand :orn:r. Uh, the._qase,?gent tu Y..g Hinchey, and youcan contact her, and advice her that when have the materials ready, you couldchoose to comply with the subpoena that way.

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JS And I'll.put our...our Lwo (2) names on,the subpoena for you, just so you have a

record of who it was that spoke to you today. Thanks for meeting with us.

KR Oh, no problem. I didn't know what this was going to be about. Thanks.

JS Take care.

KR Alright, you too.

JS The, uh, time is four twenty-wvo (4:22).

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Meg HincheyPatricia Don Francesco

Okay, and if you would state your name and spell your last name.

Patricia Don Francesco, capital D-O-N capital F-R-A-N-C-E-S-C-O'

Okay, great and it is, uh, I just have to find, I have all my phones furned off

becausi I was in court again. It's eleven twenty-five (11:25) November ten (11-

10) and I'm gonna talk to you a little bit about, um, the uh, security provided byphoenix poliie Departrneni and what, um, has been commonly referred to the

"Cotton Center". Is that a name that you know it by as well?

Yes.

Okay, and those are the town homes at roughly Forrieth (40'n) Street and

Broadway?

Correct.

Okay, and how did you have contact with the Cotton Center previously?

We were hired to do the rehab of that, um, Cotton Center, the exteriors, um, and

the common area by the home owners association and we redid, um, three-

hundred and fifty (350) interiors for private owner.

Okay, and um, through the course of your contact with the Cotton Center is it.orrl.t that you were

"ulto t.tponsible for coordinating or managing some form of

security for the area?

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PD As part of the homeor,rrners association there was a budget

area. It was six-hundred and thirty-one (631) units, um,to clean up, um, thata hundred and forty-

three (143) buildings and part of our project was to remove or

place for our tenants to be able to inhabit.make it a safe

MH Sure, okay, and in doing so, um, did you conffact with, uh, particular agency?

pD The homeowners association had, um, several different, um, experiences trylng

eliminate the criminal element in there. We had recommended, um, that they

bid, um, get a bid for outside services, um, to get a more professional, um,

security system, in-in place, uf,, and the City of Phoenix, had, they had one prior

to that. I don't recall ih" natne of-of that company, but when the City of Phoenix,

um, became, we became aware of that they provided off duty police officers. We

made the recommendation that they looked at their bid, and-and we certainly did

not make the final decision but we certainly encouraged them to hire the City of

Phoenix.

MH Okay, so um, who would you say then officially contracted with the City of

Phoenix for those services?

pD The home owners association. There's three (3) - home _9yo"tt association.

There's home owners association one (L), nvo (2) and three (3). That's one, then

rhere's four (4) and then there's five (5), but they all had the a-a common

president in Joe Cook. Um, and he had board of directors for each one of those,

and through that process ttrey signed the contract with the-the City of Phoenix for

the off duty.

MH Okay, um, and as you know (inaudible) I know a lot of these questions, I just have

to ask for the purPoses of-of this.

PD That's alright.

MH Um, and who, as a result of the execution of that conffact, who paid the police

officers for the services?

pD The home owners association. At that time I think, um, Ross (inaudible) was, um,

the-the home owners association management company at that time and so they

would have reissued the checks.

MH Okay, um, and it's been a tittle problematic, uh, getting information from them'

PD Yes.

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MH And-and that, and you're probably aware that it's changed hands a number of

times as well.

pD It went from Ross Meyer Graham, who had enorrnous amount of issues in paying

those bills, um, including writing hot checks to people' It was a nightmare' that

then changed to Amcore, um, a;d they have been on properfy three (3) three-

and-a-half (3%) since then.

MH That sounds about right. Um, and did you have any responsibiliry to over see the

services performed ala result of that conffact, or what was your responsibility?

PD Because we were on properry, Um, we had an office there; um, we offered our-our

offices ro the ciry oi poti...io the security company lo th?j they had a basis'

Cotton Center did not have a community center or anything like that, so they just

didn't have any place to do their papenrork or and so we offered, um, as an

accoillmodation to clean the project up.

MH Uh hu, but you had no responsibility to

work or not, is that coffect?oversee whether they were doing the

PD The only responsibiliry we had was to, we watched very cafeful the crime

statistics, whai was happeninS, the police reports' um, and the incident reports'

were being reported to us d"ily from the block watch or the crime free stats so we

could kind of see what was transpired.

MH Okay, um, and how did come to your attention that there were problerns there?

PD I think our first, um, indication was, uh, and I don't remember the name of the

officer, Hernand.

MH George Contreras? '

PD Contreras, um, I think when we were trying to set up the block watch, we felt that

that, help yourself, we couldnt expeit the police or security company if the

tenants internally were not going to play some active role. so in our aftempt to

(inaudible) the block watch, um,l,ve hadeveryone come that block watch meeting

and that is when I think we had our first indication that possiblY, um, our off duty

officers were, Uffi, fraternizing with our metropolitans, Uh, personnel' um'

inapproPriatelY.

MH Okay, what I have learned, um, and l...and I..'and I learned that-that that was'

uh, -initial

allegation as you can probably figure out there's not' that' not

necessarily a criminal asPect.

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We understand.

Um, but the criminal aspect I'm looking at is, um, you know, did-did the Phoenix

police Deparunent Officlrs promise to provide some seffices through the course

of that contract? And, to your knowledge was there actually a physical document

contract?

Yes.

Executed, okay, and there was an actual, uh, documentary bid, there should be?

Yes.

Okay, um, to get the job. That perhaps what they said they were going to offer

was not what they truly did, do You

That's true.

Okay, tell me what you know about that aspect.

And again, this is a long time ago.

Understood.

I'm digging from my-my memory, it would be, the officers were to be off duty.

We weie being, the- H.6.n. was being charged for a police car, um, but several

times throughout their, um;,duties they would leave the premises and go on a

call. That seemed very odd. Um, that they would be responding outside of

Cotton Center during, uh, their off duty performance and still bilting, um, Cotton

Center for their ofi duty, um, services. So it-it just became more and more

evident that they were double dipping, rD, not only the City of Phoenix, but they

were not provid-ing the services tttat were really and nrrly necessary, uh, and that

they were being paid for.

Sure and what lead you to believe that they were responding to calls off site?

Leaving the properfy and with sirens blowing, um, I think was some of the

indication.

Okay, So you don't know for certain that they were necessarily responding to calls'

you just know they left.

That's correct.

PD

MH

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MH, And how, did you see that personally or that (inaudible)?

PD No, it was reported.

MH Do you recall, I know I'm digging deep, okay.

PD I couldn't, you know, I would be stretching. It was ceftainly more than once,

more than probably ien (10) times, that they're not here. Um, we would have

something that would come up and it-it was very problematic.

MH Sure, sure, understandably. Urn, do you recall if it would have been a residence

or a Metropolitan employees or who might have brought that up? Does that, and

if you don't recall that's (inaudible) fine, but okay'

pD I don,t recall, I-I think it was feeling and sense that continued to build over time.

Um, the longer they were on property the less they were there, the lessresponsive

they becamJ, and under those ciicurnstance when it came time to rebuild the, um,

the services I think that there was a period of time whether it had no security, um,

and then when new security came on, I think were our displeasure came, was

with Conueras and-and the response from the actual departrnent saying, "Well, ifyou'd just hire us back, um, if y9g'd just,hadn't terminated our contract you

wouldn t be having all sf these pioblems." I think that was really what solidified

that there was an issue.

MH Sure, and-and I understand that, um, that's something their, that end of it is

something they're handling internally. Um, I don't know if you, a lot people don't

understand what the Aftorney General's Office can do, but we, um, we-wouldn't

normally have original jurisdiction over a case like this, because of the loses, the

dollar amount loses. Um, but it's come, we take conflict cases, and they've

conflicted it out for obvious reasons. Um, but one, one of the things that we do

have original jurisdiction over, which this does fall within, is-is fraud cases, and

uh, typically with fraud there's some form of a theft, and that's really what-what

I,m focusini on. Um, and so in doing so, you know I've been able to go back and

look at cer"tain records and such, "nd

u*, you know, I have enough probable

cause to believe that, you know, some things were offered, services were-were

committed that weren't performed.

PD Right.

Uh, yet, people were still Paid.

Uh hu.

MH

PD

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MH Um, and that's a problem. Urrr, the one thing that has been, um, a littlechallenging for me, again, as I mention talking, trying to deal with different, youknow, and I've dealt with Ross (inaudible) on a personal level before, um.

PD Good luck.

Uh, um, but um, you know, trying to pin down who actually the victim and-andthen I, uh, I believe I've-I've been in contact with Mister Cook.

Yes.

MH

PD

MH As well, um, and so it's, uh, you know the difficult part is, you know, is that each

of the three (3) H.O.A.'s that's the a victim, is that the actual homeovrners is thevictim, that's something that the aftorneys are gonna wrangle out.

PD Uh hu.

MH I'm just tryrng to, you know, fill my last few gaps.

PD I-I think it would be almost impossible for us, because we don't have the otherpiece of that puzzle, which was, what were they billing the City at the same timethey were billing, um, Cotton Center.

MH Uh hu.

PD There-there would be no wav for us to know that.

MH Uh hu.

PD Um, but I do know that there were, um, it was difficult to get ours, um, specific

hours that the police officers were on our property. They just would not give us

that information of when they were going to be there, what hours they had been

there, um, and some of the hours that they reported that they were there, we

knew they were not there. So, those things had-had come up as well.

MH Sure, sure, and I'm finding that's the case. Um, okay well again because you were

one of the initial, um, people to bring it forward, you know, I just needed to take

the time to come and visit with quickly and let you know, um, one last question Ineed to ask is if-if any of this goes to trial, would you be willing to testify to whatyou know?

PD You know, obviously I'm-I'm more than willing to do my civic duty of whatever itis, I-I think I have limited knowledge simply because I don't have actual

documents that say you were here and there.

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MH Well, that's my job. I've got that part. It's just to what you would know.

pD Absolutely,'I'd be happy to share with you, to the best of my ability and memory

at that point.

MH Sure, and that's all fair. That's absolutely fair. We wouldn't want you to-to

contrive anything or anything else. Um, do you have any questions for about of

it?

PD I just, no, I'm glad that you're continuing to follow through.

MH Yeah.

PD Um, it's-it's a tragedy when it...when it happens, when you find things, you know,

especially, tt*, of course it-it, I'm, we're always sorry when we have to be at other

end of-oi this conversation under any circumstances because I know there's a lotof good officers.

MH Uh hu.

pD Um, more so then-then the bad ones, and it's always regrenable. Our experience

literally with the City of Phoenix Police Officers have been wonderful, uT: other

than this-this experience, um, we have no-no ax to grind other than we felt that,

uh, Officer Contreras and his off duty officers were abusing the system.

MH And that was very well stated, um, no question. It's now eleven thirty-eight(1138), let me go ahead and turn this off.

End of recording.

STATE OF ARIZONAOFFICE OF THE AITORNEY GENERAT

SPECIAL ITMSTIGATIONS SECTIONTMNSCRIPTION OF RECORDING

DATE WRITTEN: December 2. 2010 NLJMBER: P002 2007-003090


REPORT TWB: Transcription of Recording-Voice Mail from Commander Faulkner

AGENT: M. Hinchey SLTPERVISOR: A. Rubalcava PAGELOF1PAGE(S)

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Voice MailCommander Faulkner

Archived message, saved Monday, September eight (Bd) at three-eighteen (3:18)

P.M.

VMCF

Hey, Meg my name's Dave Faulkner. I'm a Commaader with a Phoenix Police

Deparunent out of the South Mountain Precinct. [Jh, George Contreras had been

my employee, um, just prior to,hii quitting, and I was curious if you- could give

me a call, and I don't want to get into an area,where I'm not supposed to be, um,

my concern would be what could I put out, rumors abound down hgre, um, and

fll-ru work on this in a sense if you guys dont want anything put out. But I, uh,

was trying to keep the precinct running. So, if these type of things, we were toldthat there were search walTants on George's...George Confferas's house and, uh,

place of business today. My desk is t

and uh, my cell is'''ta-l-t'with South MountainOnce again, my name's Dave Faulkner. I'm a

Precinct. Um, and also was a littler concerned because George will seek to blame

and I'm sure he's gonna blame me. So, and uh, one my of Lieutenants and I was

kind of just wantiirg to make sure they were paylng attention. So, thank you. I

appreciate your help ma'am, bye.

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