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TESTMONY-EXHBITS2510 73

WAR CRIMES INVESTIGATION TEAM No 6023

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Testmony of Dp. EBANZ HIS. taken at Dachau, Germany, 1200 ho rs, 4 May 1945.

Too 3 IsID a V. AST &, 32 115 631, ucr #6823, H. ar USa (J. a. Section) ar 887,_ .___ .cwVZ,Jr., M

U. 3. Aray, appeared bofore uhe Inveat izator-ei-" •

a reporter .-a — --en vy him Ln the following "You owcer that you m11l

faithfully perorm the duties of reportor in thia Inveotigatl n now being co ducted

by me, 09 help you God."

Dr. FL NZ MIS appea ed before the Inv stgat r- xamrer and testified *• fol ows:

,, r. 218, we are investigating the onhltl ns and the atrocities cermitted by the

Hr tans wh were operating Lachau Concentrati amp u t the tize pericansIng

too It over on April 2?» 1945. Are y will t take ar oath, r to testify as to

these c.nditi no and as I any atrocitiee that y u might have seen comritted at thio

camp A . t oil'.

. octor, d y u understand the meaning t an oath A. Jun uratan

Alcane stand up, aiee y ur right hand, and be sworn. , swear that

but

seM

officer in the city of Ljubljana

infectious diseases

n 14 September 1944concentrati n cazp?hen did you cece to this

From LjubljanaAFra

night .ms brought here in thetioning

you commit any offense orDid

concentration caap?thio

KIYMhL,

hat criminal acta did these e

we used

e,tomderachau

I waa just arr L

1 kn •- 2

. Ld j know i • Fi B-Al ■

Shat has been four occupation since you obtained this education: edical

have you practised medicine since that timnet A. The whole time

. ..... , -*-•__ * a. a m-. worxea in Internal medicine and

I was arrested and without

any

No

nly asked se f r n3 aame. They

collaborator * or" iJG".

Md

ho

criminal act to narrant joar being or ugnt

I was never qentloned.

just arrested ne in the

th* Castapo brine j u to thio camp •

if onjjM, was brought to the

, fron Yugoslavia? A. I don’t kno" * -

thia camp.

A

They didn't ask me

night

iy Um destapo officer

achau Concentrati n Cop, al ng with

can tell you some of

There wore 42 arrested with me, and br ught here thc same nicht

city , anc

tell y u why

you t ths CJM *

le to fight for frecdom

sted y »

nittee was arrested that night. fhey tried t. got

1a you tell the that y u belonged t the Comcittne o’ Ue ed

11th and the 14th I came nere

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Q. Is he also a prisoner at this concentration camp? A. “e is the oldest physiet

ian in the prison.M+)

q. nhat did they do with you, when you were brought here on September /194+‘ '• he-

my,had taken me *11 the way They left only/ba and tooth-brush, and I S° V th*

quarantine block here.

u. How long wore you at the quarantine block ? A. Three weeko about.

q. Can you describe what you did in thia quarantine block? A. So had t He five

on two beds. There wore plenty of lices and other insects there, wo were obliged

t be held cutzide. It wan raining and the food was very bad and inauf ficient.

. as 1t,i feet, a quarantine or not? A. No, it was not a quarantine. It wee a

type of preparing people coming from civil life to a life in the camp.

q. that clothes did they issue to you, when they took your civilian clothen? A. I

got only a dirty shirt, no underwear, and very dirty, and quite torn clothing.

a. Khat other clothing did you get, other than the shirt, just name thaw Doctor.

A. Tr users and jacket.

,, Has the jacket a wool jacket or a cotton jacket- A. I think it was cotton, and

very bad.

. as it a heavy coat or a light coat? A. Light, very light,—the tr user alao

very light, because it waa cold.

a. Was it a long coat r a eh rt coat? A. hurt.

. Did it just one up t your walst-line? A. fee.

D. Hd you get a cap? A. I didn’t get any cap. • had on sandals. I didn’t get

any etockings.

Ten have now enumerate al. the clothes that you received whe you entered t 1s J .

camp? A. Tea, surely, in the beginning.

Old you get any additinal clothe* after you arrive he e during the m nth, say,

of etober, Movember, r December, from the ■ rans . Fr * the - m ans- had to

give back the pair or trousers which they gave me, and they, ii return, cave ue a air

of troupers which were striped-- pris ners trousers, striped cat and afterwards the

gave me underwear.

.Q. Was that hoavy underwear or light underwear- A. -ght nes.

Mas that all the clothing that y u had during be wicher f 19447 '. - got, in

Deceaber, one pair of stockings, toe. A

.. Did y.u get anything else in the natur- or clung euring the ‘ 947 •

covers

two days to Barruc 15,

I think about 20,000, I’a not sure:

risoners came and have gone since that time?Have many

the last wonths.

hom many prisoners, De yeu have any idea as t

always coming

ially now, in

There was always movement of the prisoners 68P°c

About ten or rirteen thousand came.

(Cent) A friend of mine «ave me • 14eht, etriped prisoner overeoat.

er. thee. all the clothes that you had during the winter of 19442

A. They were

Q. Did you get any blankets while you were in qwrtinet •

q. Arter you lett quaratne, whet if anything, was Lmued

blanketo or mattresses? A. After I left the quaratine, 1

as a physician, and in the hospital there are blankete and q. Shat were your duties at the hospital? A. I went for

Would it run into the thousands? A. Surely,

.. Shut did you have in the way of bed elotnare for your bed in Se t de

A. Ln A. quaratine I got nothing. There was only a wooden dattrese and fc

to you in ths way of

went to the hospital

and anter two aw. I — teken to Barrack 3, 20023, and I "orkod “ • ""1eiit

and had abut 100 patients in the room.0. Have you continued to act as a physician at this camp since that time?

yes, the whole time.

.. How man, prisoner were at the Dachau Camp when you came here in 3ej tezzber 194

have been processed at the Dachau

came here? A. I have no idea.

thousands, many thousands.

Shat was the eonditionthe prisoners when you first went to the hosgital in

- Septesber 1941 to act •• • physictan In 15* the "" 17 rtW,. to.iV. tney had alarrhea, aysontery, and the bizeest percentege alto.it wasn’t, in the sain, dysentery and infectious diseases, - it was of starvu-

tion.In Mlock 15 when y-u first •** it

prisoners worked there?

Bow mrany risoners were th ere In the Block A. ebout 400.

About now man of the 400 were 5-, - ‘

to. m.n, to«. wore an BLock 15’ A. 1 -bout 400, but at that time- there

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A. (Cont’d) was not a physician hea of the hoppital At that they had a

nursing etaff

DU you examine the JOO prisoners who were sick in Black 1) when y u cane in

there Ko, I couldn't the re

nd yot have occasion to observe an! examne and diagnose aome of

' dvr ing those two Yes, X did, about 100 patients, one pornine

ahat did you find! I found m sty starvation and weakness on c ount f

malnutrit n, and I think acet of the phyalclana are thinking, too, that all these

rrhe askused ’ hrough malnutrtion

Do you recall the food that was being given at the time that you are in Block

15, bring those two days, when you ound 300 of the 400 in the block, elck with

dysentery-

loll us what the pria ners were being given for breakfast at that time A

Naif a liter or dark fluid, I don't kn w whether it was coffee, ' r tea, usually it

was pep ervint tea

Nae that all the t f r breakfast

hat rood was given the ncon meal? Half a liter of soup

hat kind of soup' A Usually cabbage e up, mostly cabbage soup, a , in the

beginning, Va first wenth. two months, they got sometimes two r three potatoet

In December they get no etatoes

A

dhat was the night meal, r supper, r dinnerl

piece of margarine, or a piece f cheese, about t ice a week.

k x large a iece f cheese w uld you get • 2ac thick, 4 or 5em broad and

tmre anything else served? A. me patients e t, in this time, a a op of

barley

food that you have just testified abort, was that the regular diet that wae

the eick prisoners at the time that y u case t. this eenp7 A

Do you believe that that was sufricient to malntain a ormally sick bocy‘

s it urricient, even, t sustain a l estinated abort a

with bread everyeay.

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You entimated that you obtained about 1,000 calories per day?

Hon many cal ories do you feel is necesnary t maintain the average normal body?

A. At least 2,500 calories for the working ran—3,600 calories.

Q. Ape you famliar with the food rati n that was given to the prisoners in

blocks cutaide of the hospital? A. They get in the morning, an additional piece t

hat ws work ing

worked hard

That vas for the labor deta1l? A. Yes.

did the labor jet 11 have the n or seal A, Just the s «, but onlyf rthev got a little more scup. They about three quarters of a lit r sou Thia

was for the noon real

■hat ld the working detail get for their dinner rati n- A. Just the sa e

They got i: Vie morning,-- Th's idditiona Lece of bread and

Brotzeit,

About how many calories A. In the f d that wae glven the wor ing detail

it ranged from 1,300 t 1,400 calorles.

know the food ration that was given te the prisoners in t e blocks who were

not in the work detail, and alao n t iz the hospital that food ratin

It rati r with t t is plece f brcad and cheese and margarine.

In the food rati n given to the prisoners in the blocke wae the same

foor working detail, exco t that the w rkng de-

tail received for breakfast, a piece of bread and a snail piece of sausa* and cheese

or mergarine Corre ct. ya few times in the time I am here, they

got a little jam instead of cheese have the

u estimate the nuwber f cal oriet contained in the fod that .s riven

ta the pris r»r» in the blocks, who norking detailst boot a

th usanc

re y u fasiliar with the food rati n that was being given by t’e during

the last Uhrae or f ur Tenths of this year, say, from anuary 1945 t r: 1945

I an famillar

that you have deter bedl

and he smiledonly in tw

t they «t it every night

but in tre timo r the great apldemica they

hat was tke result. Doctor of the malnutriti r

this cang

this cqap

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that y u found Us t exieted at

on 5Sept omber 14, 1944 and continued up t the Americans t wok

Mostly, the

anyone without better

peo de got Diarrhea, and this is

food, but we didn't have it, and dled of I iarr-

in the time of the aside sales, they cied becnuze thy had no retistance agalnst

the dineaso

About hom many have died from dysenterj ordiurrhea, due to this nalnutriti on

since a t. abet 19444.? A. I estlasts about 3,000 Aboct 10, 00 dind from spotted-

Abo t

About

And

How

Abo

causes •

To

it

died3,000/fros dysentery or diarrhea. About

8,000 to 10,000 dle from spotted-ever

the other’s died rrom s mothing else

many7 A. Ab t a tn sand

h w any died

Tuburculosis.

t a thousan । died from Tube cul als And n th usand

began in «y room

her you speak of spotted-fever, d y u san ty hu— rever”

abdomin -typhus

if anyth ng, did

and otber ofricers of the

epdeade

Hamburg

noticed

told th

came on A. The

fro- spolted- fever?

died fmom other.

the Geran > (fficers, ah ch includes ths Chief urgen.

erman he ital starf, do t assist oria ners when this

epidemic began after December

and they brougt tyshus-fever to the barracke an

that and told

s for the

a potted-fever

rricrr, and he smiled r. BLAH

and said,"It is only influenza, there

n ty hus-fev r cusos at a l." In Janu ry, ther nere van-Mt an he rrst acknowledgod spotted-fever, art we told hie that thepeoile

f ice, an he answered. "I don’t kn • anythina about it

I’m Indormed that there are no ics.

undersear

1 d n't knew hie Full nene

ehier of the

Nonpita) klr d I

entinn?

Give us hle full name, A

HIHTTRWMAT

1 Ivina eneitienm !

A 9 ’ j i

te w

6he

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1 l yom then answer my if anything, die HIM

his

Asinfeetion of

underwe r, and th fi e- lev i

bl n

Ie

ere any ] ice in the underweer t

id th disinfeetant work?

nat a reengnized disinreotant

He wasn’t a

ba nfuhrer

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Q• About how many prisoners were in the average block, say, during the time that you

haw* been here from September 1944 to April 1945? A. 1,000, 1,500.

ihat would you aay, if other witnesnes have said that, in aome cases, there was

an many as two and three thousand in a block. A. Sometimeo when big transports cano,

but it was for a ahrt^Ume. Then a big transport cume, they want to the blocks.

Sometimes, but it was not usually on the averuge,--escpecially now, in the last time,

x. 1* you know how many prisoners the compound had, or rather, coule rear on ably ac-

nnanodute ■ A. About six to ton thousand.

A. How many prisoners were in tie compound, say, as of April 29, 19452 A. I think

about 40,000.

. Were there many occasions since the time that you have been bore when the compound

hold more than 10,000 prisoners? A. Usually, the average, I think, about 15 to 20,000.

.. Then the compound was overcrowded most of th timo that you have been here? A.

Most of tt e time I have been here, it was overcrowded.

. .ere there enough beds in the compound to take care of the number t risoners?

A. No, they were obliged to lay two to a bed, or five in tw beds, sometimes.

hat about the latrine conditions n the blocks—were they clean he prison­

ers cleaned them themselves, but there are n t enough accommodations or latrines

there.

. Tel us what latrine accommodations or what they s nitary accommodat ons tkare

are in the average block? a. In the average block we had about elght latrines and

eight’ issolrst I don't know, eight r ten,—1 thins eight, a-d two wash . sins for for

every room. It is/about three to four hundred people. But most of the time some of

the latrines r basins were destroyed, they did not work. It was trzar. in the win­

ter.

Q. During the winters wuld the water in latrines freeze? ... Very often frozen,

becauso we had no wood and coal to heat the rooos.

. as any heat provided during lastwinter to any of the compound? A. o, only .

» f tl Ruaslans who want to work utnide. Thay brought some wood cuts de, Md

they sold it for bread. ..specially in the hospital, we used to buy sone t beat

the bread.

. id you ever see any of the 1 aty new In tie winter, when the water r se, and

• here was ice in Ue latrines, and stcols? A. I have seen that.

- /-•emoymeesme • men

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Can you describe the conditions of the latrine at that tme? A. They were

very bad, insufficient, because they can’t use eight latrines for 8o many people.

It was insufricient.

Q. Would the waste remain there uncovered? A. Uncovered, and the water basin

ran inly seven hours a day.

Q. Did you ever see sone of the prisoners who died in those blocks? A. Very often.

1. How often did they die in the blocks? A. They died in their barracks, outside

of the hospital at the time of the epidemic, sometimes 20 or 30 died each day.

Q. And in the blocks? A. Outside of the hospital 20 or 30 a day died there -

one figure I remember, one day 45 died.

Q. Nas any arrangenent made to take these bodies out as soon as they died? A. Ies,

the Block Commander has to report to the autopsy room, and they briny the bodes

out and they briny them to the autopsy room.

4. Did the Germans insist on making an autopsy? A. Ho, no, just prohibited it.

Dr. HINTEOMIEA didn’t allow Dr. KARA to asks autopsies of people in the barracks

outside of trie hospital. They didn't allow it.

. In other words, the autopsies were made upon prisoners who died in the hospital? • t

A. Now, unde comaand of Dr. HINTRRYIEa, Before, there were autopsies made of people A

who died in the barracks, and because Dr. BLAHA told of it when we found (I was very

often resent when autopsies were perforned by Dr. BLaHA), indications of spotted-

fever and typhus, and re ported it to Dr. HINTIRMEIE, he forbade us to make auto-

psies of people who died in the barracks.

Q. Ahy did Dr. HITusIaa not want to do that? A. Be Muse he didn't want us

to know of ths diseases in the barracks, as we told him that there are typhus and

spotted-fever diseases in the barracks.

De you . now rythine about experimente which "yye made by the Ss: A. I kno"

only abut the experiments by Professor SCHILLING, on three Rusian big boys, end he

pole ned them with two doses of Pyranidon, and they all three died from it. The

Autopsy she wed herorrhages of the brain.

Q. hy were these experiwents made? A. They made them to try difierent types

remedies, a their work on the humen body, end the men were used as animals.

After a risoner died as a result f these experiments, what was the pur obe of

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time that yot

that

here

have

A

ani the rest of theta were dnvalidst A

A. I heard about the execut n. ofDo you kncw of any executions?

..hat did you hear about thet?

In their backs of their neckflag, brou tat here, and than eh t

these ussiars were executed'.that

or Cct ber 1944heard about the execution in September

I arrivedbefore

was the Conman ding thefficer of the achau amph

i don’t knowhs

in achautheaqy

I didn’t haveI h ad anyome else

X kn w for

you know the name of

Did vow ever see any hangings here at the camp? A

tLee. I

A. The Lussian ( fliers were taken

SCHI t, he saw iasistant Medical . .Mcr under Dr. H

n

After the death of a prie tier as a

the human body

BLAH r sone other man before him would make an autopsy to ascertain th result or

the experiment la that correct’

lou did not

very much about

know about the ether experimenta

them, but, in the time th t X was

Did you hear

Rid you hear

Did you be sr

Did you hear

were mae? A. I have heard

I don't know about then

about nalaria experiment at A

about the phlegmone experiment?

abo t the cold-water and the air-pressure and the salt-water

whether er nt tho persons wh were subjected t there « oriments

lived r died? A. They died f tham have lived. I know some of the*

Did you find out that the majority of th be that were subjected t these exper-

Durine the winter ninths were any baths glven to the patients at the 3 a: tai'

bo, they stopped it in Aoveber, and the first bath they have given Sut for the

Easter holiday. Those patients vho care from the barracks took baths

who were in tie hospital

n t

one usoian.

froz their

l have

Just a little shrt time

oncentrat:

wasn't inter estee.

NT

.. ./hat 3 Medical orficers were at th* Tachau Camp? A. HINTIMSIa and hl*

Aselstant, Dr. SCHMIDT, and afterwarde/Surgeon, whose name I do not remember. who

Just made a practice here.

.. Tho was th Mad of th* Dachau Hospital on March 27, 19457 A. HINTCAXZIZR, He

was th* one who was here one day before th* Americans came. He wae in Dachau.

Q. Doctor, X show you a letter dated 27 March 1945 from the Dachau Concontration

-amp. in which there are some figures as t the number of deaths from January 1 to

27 March 195, and also as to th* number of people treated at the hcs Itai, which

said letter was supposedly signed by the hand of the 38 Medical Section, turmbann-

dprer, at achau, and I will call your attention to paragraph 2, and will ask you

to read that and tell me if you believe that this ia eorrectTA.NTM number of deaths

there 10,435". That 1* correct for three months,

Q. Does paragraph 2 say, in abort, that the number of death from January 1, 1945,

to “arch 27, 1945, was 10,435? A. Twa, but not in Dachnu only--also Cuba tat ions,

Q. Do you Know anything about th* bodies that are in the railroad care at the siding

near this camp? A. Tea, people told me the sick people, who went to the hospital,

they told re that many o them died on the way to Tachau.

Tell us what nome of the people who survived the trip t achau told y '—Just

take your tkme. *• want to know where they came from, .who the;' were, how many died,

and how many survived'. A. Hany patients told me that the trains with the prisoners

J^ne fr - Buchenwald, ant thay brought about a thousand with the train.

. id the at lent* who told you about this trip, tell y i abut how nany started

on the tri frem Buchenwaldt A. About 4,000.

id they tell you about bow many died enr ute? A. 1,000 V 1,200.

.. that be cave of the rest if them that survived th* trip? A. They cane here and

they diee . ctarvatioz . It wasn’t possible to eave them,

-• ere you told by the patient* • to the length it time that it took them to ma ka

the tri fru Buchenwnld to achau A. Yed, they t id that it took than 21 day*.

. Did they tell y u anything as to what fa d was given to them ciring the e 21 daysi and

A. Tea, half of a loaf at bread/fo nr potatces.

Mt a Ml

That

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' . Do you know ths name or names of an of those people who told you about this

trip? A. No, but I can find out

Will you aake an effort to find them? A

Have you Man the bodies of people on railroad care at the sidng? A

only inside, when they came in and died at once

Did a great nunber of people, who were on the trip Buchenwald to Dachau

die imaediately upon their arrival at this

2. Did they continue to die for many days after or subsequent to their arrival

They continued to dieWhat

the cause of their death'. Starvation, mostly, and dysentery

There, at the hospital, you were kept very buoy, and you did not get to a great

deal of the things that went on at the Cacp, io that oorrect7 A. I had very much

work, so many patients, the whole time

dhat would you say, as a Medical Dpctor; and as a nan, as to the overall condition

of the achau Concentration Camp? A. Terrible. been in the last war I never saw

such type of death and such type of people dying.

. And, do you say, that most of the deaths, hero, have been caused by starvation and

malnutrition? A. Yes, and over-work.

Did I under*Land y u to say tht the only group that has been in charge of this

camp have been the ss troops? Yes, but in the last months there were a few iehraacht

Geran ruy men, who didn't wear tie uniform of the German Arny. They ore S uniforms.

Q. Doctor, as l understand, the American Ary has br ught in a field hrs ital , and

established a 3,000 bed hospital. in order to take care cf the s ick people he re at

this camp, is tint correct. A

And you and Dr. BLAHA are assisting in that work A,

CBM EXAMIT L x BY CAPT. CLYDE L. ALUS}

Describe the ter: ible conditions when ysu cane. I want

. It was mostly people who had diarrhea. They couldn t 1

all weak, and there was no toilet to defecate in the rooma

ut, be causa thej were

hey were all filled

with fecal natter. •i

a. Khat kind of epidemics are those of which you spoke, that have boen here in

Spotted- fever.

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Thin la the secnd epidendc in N l1re

A.

When IA, I was just assisting

GBLAHA, you observed how

formal reports rendered toDI think every day.

Those poreons of which you speak tmt livedafbor this experimontati " and that

set on what are

invalid transports?Most of them were shipped away, but some of them

they left bere and the addresses

of ths* wbo remained alive after

f them, where they llved. Dr Cne

tbe frcezing water experiment lovene of mg

ecuntry. reeble-mnded becanse of that experiment:

end in your h spitalfficals of this camp-- were they all S37 A* *U ‘ ’

any tim. that you were here, did the prisere become insanef thse prisoners who become insane A. They were P

Kooa 3, and a short time before the Americans cane hene.

thair

an there. They were taken away.

the. or created' A. Usualy they were, as they bay, gassed

in wy co ntry, mhen theGornans occupied it, there was a hospital for t entall-

Theof them. It was a German custom.

w anything ab cut th

now.the dungeon. I didn’t.

type did you hospital here at a chau7 I

ws physic 15 two days.o Room 3. Isolation

for Inta soved tned the

Americans er th

wor ksd

spin

fiel

the Chi«

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Q. Are tIre any pationts here "ho suffered fro- pleuriny? A Very

Spring time there are many pleuritic €*•••. here

A Ip

the hospital about 850 open •Des of tube

Festinony adjournad 200 houo 4 Mey 1%5.

ColIntestigator--xamine r

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by bin in the following form: "You owear that you will faithfully perrorm the

duties of reporter in this investigation now being conducted by me, so hel > you God."WCIT 6823,

s/set. ALFa D s. LAU: Eac •. 33 625 383,/Hq. » U3A (J. A. Section) AX 887, U• S. Army

appeared as an interpreter

will truly Interpret in this investigation now being ecn-

dueled by me, so help you “od•"

Mr. orrs a peered before the Invstigator-xaminer and testified as follows-

q. ur. ; ITS, the address that you have given us, Freital II i/ axon Bruckenatr. 6,

naywary, is that the address where we can locate you later on if it becoms necessary!

A

ur. OPIrS, we are conducting an investigation of the Conditions

Concentration Prian

the Cerman

ify as t thse conditi ns enc

e the were operating this cmy

alleged atrocities committed by

?

DO J deretand the meaning of an oath

u rale your rigk hand and be sworn. You, h.

ewear that the testimony you are abot * 6"6 J

dueled by m. ahm1 be the truu, the whole truth

tha irwestiga

oth ng but

A. X do.

lour full Yes.

hat

JI years old.X am a

Dachau C ncentrati n Campt

Septamber 15, 1938, ofter 1 had been jailed in

. ereyou originally arrested at Aunicht A l was arrested at the

Geran border •I was well knoun as an anti-lazi, and ned An 193 5 er took

pomer in Germany, becuse * kne thatgotng t arrest for that 1f they could

. was arrested at the Czech-German border

0020

q. Are yvu of Goran descent?

Q

A. Yoo.

Dachau at the tias that you cume here in 19387

Do you know anything abcutthe history of the Dachau Camp from 1ts Inceptin?

Mhet was the Dactau Concentrat n Ganp originally opened’. A. n arch 30

1933, the day when Hitler took power in German, the riret pris cpers were brought

Q. Hon large • camp was it at that time, if you

woners wore in Cachau at thattite. As tar as I

* Concentratt on Canp ever to be opened.

kn w? Approximately 2,500 pri-

know, this was the very first

At the tine it continued to orate after 1933 ab • Concentration camp' A.

it was operating except for • sh rt periea la 1939. Only 10 prieoners were kept

_____... .. .... .re a art awav ror a short pertod of time • It

was than reopened in 1940.

By w a has the tAehau Prisen W been oparated tinea it reopened in 194 n

A

a

ByLe o,ay on m was tne cam, operated betwen 1933 and 19392 A

qhat were your auties at the achau Prison Camp? A.

Alsc by the S

various jobe round the cemp, than far 2 yoars as a toiler untm 1939, "he I

ms tent out to Mosoenbare Canp during the period when Dachau not operatine-

ben 1 came back An 1940. X was assigned to the rersonal Erfecto orfice where I

had been workine ever since.

Did yo know the orricers and other personnel of the 2Sxhe oparated this

camp rrom 1940 to 1945? A. I knew that very well.

achau Canp on april 29, 1945, and 2ut

immedintaly prior thereto? A. StursbannfuhrerWaIT-

Do you know W-ITS’S first naas? A. J aho ms the comander prior to sraz

u moan be sturubannuhrer MI357 A. Yes, X mean Cbersturebarnfuhrer

Q

o<j want to Lublin.

Cbersturnbannfuhrer PIcaNCaKIknewIes, I knew hin very well.

lie ms a Conwander of this Cam? prior to Obersturebannfahrerho was he

(Cont’d- «EIS5.

41938 to 1941, if X remember nell•

a. Mho was the Camp, Coznander pri t to AICRKOTSXI, if jov know’ UMITZ, -bersturm

gannrur., Loarrz! Ne was Commandor, when 1 entered Camp DACHNU.

Q. Rew long aid he remain as Camp Commander? He left Dachau for Cachnen-

hausen in 1938 or January 1939-

. rxcax . a tollow him in 1939 as Camp Coumander? A. Yes.Had you baen submitted to any torture or cruclties tine* you had been at

Dachau? Une* for an hour and a half

sa that X

had blceding soros enpeclally in my hand*. X remenber, fornstance h " "e "ore

bouten mhil. levelling the grouna on which the ss barracke and thia building were

construeted in 198. At that time a bug* leveller machine conaieting f * ey1inder filled witt water a* high aa this rear had to be pulled back and forth by approxi-

mate, 40 persons, so were arixen vry badly, kicked, pushed, and beaton durina

that work, and also wettaa completely when they turned on the hydrant with big

robber h a— on the prisoners occupied in that work. At that tize, several pri-

soners aled during ths working n ure aue to the m treateents. I stan have • •«

on ay right f mare -here an 38 ban wunded •• 15) Le bayonet during thin work.

Did you « w a wan b the name of wauTI UN A. Yes, Sir. 1 kn " that man

he was amoloycd ar a ri» oner torsman and was a very brutal character.

q. Do you recall an incident involving vanrs acL and a womant 4. Tea, I resem

X give you the following detail*. uaztza aL, who had been a forenen in echau,

. Met out aa a oroan of Jowsh prinonars to the Kaurrerng Branch Comp. Thar

had sexual nter course

XURN.

where she was hanged onpriscners

which nas visible

it was visible from a distance that

her rognancy was rarj advanced.

prisoners

tuean the

directly

' • -eamuinmvneme ' mun* , . ‘MI • ...

such as Esthonians, Itallans, and Lithuanans.

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to see hew hangings took place. n those days they opened the gate be-

crematorlum and they only opaned it so that we could observe the hanginga

Hangings took place on the gal low, as well as an ordinary trees.

faro they took her to the crematorlum.

Q. Have you witnessed other executions at Dachau? A. Tea, I have also observedU>e ha ng t ng or soveral Rus al an a in the cremat rlua yard. I also saw the hanging • me

Court—articled ss mon, espectally foreigners who had volunteered for the S3,

Is there a crematorium at the Dechau prison camp A.

. hU d- you kn ■ about We crematorium? A. I know that a nex large cremator-

fumuns belli approxinately in 1940, at the site where a smaller old cremstorium

mas existing

pris mers.

. The crematorium nas operated by the S3 With the help of Jewish

At Utt time, when the new crematorlum opened, there were nly a few

he D.chau prtmnera. Some ss men, especially the Rapportfuhrers chose

the strangest aming th so Jewish prisoners as helpers at the crematorium- They

chose 5 t 6 Jews at a time, who had to sloe at the dungeon, and were all employed

as cramatrium orderlies. They were well fed, and well treated at the duncemn.

After rive t six weoks or work at the cresatorinm, the SS liquidated these Jewish

pricners, fearing that their knomdedge might become dangerous to the 33 and five

, new Jews were gelect.a to conttnue in the same fashion. The Li uldation

ccnaisted nost robably si® ly in killing and burn ng of the forer crematorium

orderlles by ther now successors. D. you reca1l an occaslon in Hovember 19414, wher some pris oners were taken from

Dachau, to Czechoslovakia • A. Xea, sir. I ronemter that on u Nupsbar 10, 1944 200 bachau prisoners were taken t Cracow

ana from there to Slovakia.

S8, and they

They had answered a call for v lunteers to the

unifcrms, but not armed when they left Camp a

st l hold awere rioners by the names of akIGEL, BsIBISCK, -CK-l, ant A--

WALMak uas a

, and whose nane was MAKTIN FUMR, we heard details about thelr

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of BOTTGM17

H.

X understand he is a prisoner right

q. ^4 yan nee Borrau on or about Seturday 28 April 19457 A. -en-

mara did you sce nim? A. I him that cay in the morning between 10 and11 o’ cock naar the gate or te irnw compound, shen the nine prisoners fronth dun-

Hon una M tick prisoner from ts Oarp Kosital were taken, Ao tta <at.. The nine peanonazs frw the dungoon -ere in handeufte, the tenth fr* the hes pital 1y1ne

on . Romchtal pushcart, we used to take pationte to operations or bodlee • th. hos

patan. saw how BTTGEa took charge of those 10 pris ners and led then tomerds th.

creat.rlu. I think those were mne ten last victima of tha cromateriun.

. mat a pened t th m ten people «hom Borrasa merched t the crematorium" A mos. ten ml. have naver boen seen again. 1 imagine they have becn "otor hanged. । *

Q. naa you «« ••• BraLz co=-ir any other crueities or atrocittes upon orieoner”

wenan th. . pound at achau: A. I haw m M. soat and hi* ri ner" i Ah.

Inner compound. *• a sattar ot ract, I have been deaten inthe face ard 'acked in

poaterior by hla, eyncir,. nemGa uas a heavy erinker, .nd, tmough 1 hav not veen

nin e .t paopi. uu < own eyes, 1 understand uat ha often took part In the shooting"

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I know him wel1

r have not witneseed any of the executlons whers those •

know both of them

lx. the executlons

acnau

than before hano1940 axecutions were loan •

r other cor

who participated in executlo

RUPPNT and

tane tat they were connected with those execu tice

Thia man told no thet the

nly kn »n aneng the prisoners at the Dechau Cavp thet

or brany toy the participating 85 pen, and BOTTGA was vary fond of brend* rommeca that a certain wuxoxE,a Goruan fro Poland, Ao frequently t ok shoot tngs of u e a lane, and ho worked at the Personal arfecto Office, re

the executions nmelling brandy and covered all ovor with brandy add

BAF

A

advantages--extra good moals, and heevy drinks

Cbersturmfuhrer EUPPMd you

Cbersturabannfuhrer AITkn wyou

berscharfuhrer PANOAAZ?kno

ere they

an S3 non-comoffcers

Did you

cution’

but

las it

part in theee executiona?

the understanding among the prisoners, purtaken by the mn that

+- In eo Far as executi one of prisorarsswere c ncanedT A, I

knou that sone of those men ordered mome prisoners to 9hmit the murders °ezecut Lons

the purt he Layea in executions. That was • very brutal Gapo, and thopeh he nevor

goa a ponny oant from homs, he was usually sending Nhome larco amoonte of money to

mas fou e fra the Dachau canp, which he must have obtained from tbe 83 wen for Me work as a nonenean. I know of • prisomr naned scHaraas«, "g.bs boen

hanging tenow prisners. another prisoner by the name of zluu aua# at one ti"O Capo at tne Frtoners Nospital even went with ssienanda gallows on a motor car

•at of camo to hang people this wy. So never kne where those exscut one took place, hat we saw the* leaving. X remember that, when they left the camp U • motor car they tried to hide their faces so that they would not be observed hen they were leav­ing. But ey work took mo to the roof of cur bunding and I oud ebeerve their

faces ana the gallown they took along in the motor-car.DU yew knou any of the 55 Of fl acre or personnel of the lachau hospital” A- *

oniyknawuess hoosltal sen by neme. 1 fortunately was never sink enouch to h.

tasen to a noopatal. X -new Professor schluta who worked at the Cano hospital

r fro. hie visits to our off Ue. Ho Owe there to pay mone, for one workedfor blast the camp hoapnual. X shoula be to remenber that “*• any tio, U

d just now escaped from my memory--just now.r scuuunc’he OnwUr ho perforeud the malaria « veriente st the ^*au

Nospauan s. I*. fhet was well know . U cano. It we •160 knon that - popio died from malaria experimenta.q. Mom did you know that ane a the prisoner, azed fro. th. maleri • erU«te.

X have ay mU inforstlon about ua -luria owes free a olteb priest by the nans of 3 oser : IMIa sax, on aom anjecti us have been =ade, and *ho, 1 the resent

day, mErers fra the aftessth of nia malaria troataet. I p• onlly r quinine for that Palish petaet eo — 1W that the conerqocnesn of hl.

malaria troamtnot miot be fatalja. De ,u tow Dr. nzxzancazar a. I knew Ms by •s tte Doctor An oharde

of the Prisoner Hespital.-7-

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Q. Did you knom MIMMLJTADT? A. No, I do not know him, but I to w Dr. WOLTER.

Q. Do you know aryone else in the Medical Department at Dachau? A. No.

G. have many deatha occurred during the tine that you have been a rissner at Dachau"

A. Very nany. I an yaelf the Keeper at the death records.

«. Do you know ALND RAUPTMANa2 A. Yes, Sir, ne wore working together at the

Persunal sffecto orfice.

.. And you and he kept the records as to the deaths that occur at Dachau and Branch

prison caspo? A, Ies, MAUPTMANN keeps the records, and I am in charge of sending

personal balongings to the ami lies of prisoners who died at thia eamp.

m You an- Father HAUPTMhaN are the custodians of the death l1sts abut a ich Father

MAOPT- t at If led this morning? A. Ies.

.. Is there an thing else that you feel that you ought to tell us in connection with

any atrocity or any other condition at the Dechau Camp7 a. I could mention the very

bad timos we bad during the years 1939 and 1940 at tle Flossenburg Cem; . That was at

the tine when Can, Dachau nas dissolved.

g. is MLossenburg ne f the branch prison camps of the achau Camp? A. h©, it is but

an inapender t extemination camp,/ror some months Dachau prisoners w re sent to that

place, and I was one of them.

.. Tell us about vhhat you tow about the Flossenburg Camp. . At Flossenburs the

pris era were forcad t work In quarries. It was a very cold winter, and we were

slad only Ln thin drill suite withut long underwear. e had no socks under our

Woden cloga, and worked all day long in the open.

.. At that time, many priscners died from cold and mary conaltte avicide because not

they could not stand tie awfulicenditi na. e got/more than one meal within 24 hours

and, in ay ow block, block ho. 10, ue renained com/lately without food for everal

days. I suffered there froa dysentery, but, fortunately, I didn't die, liko pc cany

others. I loft Cada f r Flossenburg weighing 65 kilos. When 1 returned five months

later I woighad only38 kilos. a all were nly akin and bones, when we returre . shen

we cane baek t Dachau we were given ospeclally cood f od, but, as we a 1d not stand

that any more (Ito w of several ofme aradas, "b died actually fr burst domach)

that was a vary painful death, caunad-by tlut sudden change froa that btarvatin diet

lecant o l. Ne balievo- 6 ho espectal _ g od fcod toe gi van us Cor t e extra ur-

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-(Cont’a) pose of porfecting that fatal conpequenee*

Q. Do you K

Dacl uu Prison

Trench

w or any occasions when transports of ria nere nave arrived at to

c- A x,.. X romember one transport In particu ar which came

city. At that time, a few survivors were broueht first t

and I rderad ut at night, with some there, to remeve bagzage from the b9g846°

vans which Ecrmee part of that tranuport train t that time I saw ap roximately 500

corpses in te passengor cars which were at the rkeM and ef of the s‘

...a t. Those go-callea passenger ears were in reality cattle wagons

and the b dies wer. stacked one weter high in those cars. 1 remember them were

ighk cars full of bodies, and the umell wae abnolutely unbearable X remomber Lapport-

fuhrer xum and lagerfuhrer -uma were present -nd 8ave the prisonero, ao

t. transport, brandy, su that they could stand the omell.

and "R", and ask you if the railroad care

refer to were railroad ears similar to them? A. The ears looked lire the

unloaded

that ycu

ones in

Euhibi , and the bodies were

marc , and they were stacked

11ke those in Axhibita "P" and'..', only there were

sue higher than those shoun in the

I talked t fron that traneport, an he told me

Although there was enough

the taggage vuns, no rood or drink was dstributed t

that this trans-

an ng the priso-

th

, and the cut their

tee t erink their ow blood frm thirst-uaumly in charge of these trans ort tralns tot sere brought to achau”

er sonn

ilnary arny men nere cha ged with garding those trains

By er dinn y men, you mean eronne ° "10 e’m "" " "

n _cme ru. Geraan iehrnacht. I have seen some of those ehrsacht non-

uables

wha they cana to ur Roraonal fects bureau an han- « a no- an

: rg to prisoners on the trens ort.

an us the ap r oximate date when the transport Tcazn to act ab .at

you have tostifad ahen you and D0 removal

or u.o bodles? A. It wae during the * nt r July or huguat of He " mer 19...., ____ ... the -m.yo, told ae ths. had articulary h t westher r - the

(Ccnt’4) trane ort, and * uhe be able to find ut the exuet dute when the

trans ort a rivod at “he caap.

o. at ot ti satas that were rmicved “ Dachat

Carekoa, »> ~K» ear, “ t caep orosat rt“- 1 nt

„ umLaa anra, sut 1 belev. that they’ve bosa burned.

A, Those bodian were

n w wtath or the wore burned

would y u have noticed • tran" o ° Tt°""" - 5 “y., w. aara always not about tnese tnM^rts.

a Camp

a generally

aa V. transcort or - reosived • lot in connect ' ■tuken fron those ptwoners, whleh was st red 1 ur store-roo-

. ort similar t tte one tht you have describect achau, and

rtninora 41*, enr ute, would y u recelve * iste

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those

now.Bo tut yuvh 4 dled.

a" de-transport

ffind

large tr

taken anay

- etsin

tn thing

u e

dlad during the transport.

rhe ri ret time A waS

-10-

nae all thetr personal belongings

and hl L by rifle bu

Ha marched fr 1

/ haaged by

tha lacos

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A

Did y w witnoss any public hengings of yur own accord or were -ou to

watnaze thena A. X nev* witrsssed * publie hanging. I know, however of public

ptayu evor witness or were you ever forced to witness a public beating A.

X was several tWs forced to as 1st at publie bstAngs. Christens f 1933 * was

forced to assist at public beatinge which took place right in front t the Christ-

t-ao, rteht in front or the kitchen. I also was forced eeveral tims to assist

their plan

ar riscers who hat tried 40 escape, but did mt mucceed with

Theos men were very badly beaten up before they re-en ered the inner

prion compound. Al- the other

already

pris ne re had to line up, when they ner and bloodyblua/from blows and had to carry a larg

marched in.

here

The music played and then they got, in addition, another ublic beat-

of 50 blows on back and posterior

Dia they have a permanent gallows hare at achau Carp’ Mo gallons

a mobile a fair. It was eometimes erected for "a° at a tine, oner.,

on a -t., car. taken out of the camp, used elsewtere, and brought b

this mobile gallows used to hang PITZ OMD7 l think se

dhat became of her body? it was burned

almys wear an 33 uniform? Tea, he always wore

35 u breeches and riding b ot,

hear as toiMb part B TrG played In the killing of

the 90 Russian officers during the year last past. A. i l

Hauptachorfuhrar KUKN book an active part in the hooting-

he and

et

in the march te Innsbruck?

his revolver

e of these days

& ty>11

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.. _ _ _... wen „e learned that he wasA. Be was notorious for hi. wW. "hen "6 "6“

.an. peisonar, tnouuunda and “--to of men had beenthat this monster had been eupturede

Q.Ften ata such prisoner trains from ther Son

cntrati n Cemps arriv in Dachau "

, . . but a„in, other months, there were no10 or 12 transport train., Du- “5"’

t aydea -to. ot * *e " “. — .a 1 reu. uu * pecnt at 4ta4 Atoa uaar ”f'forint enroute

% have further to .tat. for thi.

to 1922, we haa a special prisoner *f war campcamp for Russian prisoners of war*

orricial record? A, 1941

inside the Dachau prisone

that all those prisoners

. . w.lhausen to ate there in the aca. Out of 30, twenty-four were sent to Kau

m. 1- to. — " ‘ " " "" ""

u .. uu — sedaw. t “ • - e" "" "uoaa a.on . »• esund ame ““ s-sduatey "

had paesed the camp gates

.. ya sryentae • - •1 "" 5 , .r., «I a, al wue1 “ at

q.Etimony aazourned at 1800 hours on 8 May 1945-

krs 2s w

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Tosttmony of weum arm, taken a Dachau, at 1.00 hours on 1 May 1945Toe 5 James tandy, 32355293, 6rn apw Op, avpeared as a reportor and was sworn

by Mam in the following tom: "Tou swoar that you will faithfully perform the auten

of roporter in this anvestigation now being oonducted by om, so holp you God-"

Fred 1. Santi, Via Panini, Milan, Italy, appeared as an interpreter and was swum

{ °....interpret in this investigation now being condueted by ne, so help you God.

a. woxswm ovITz apveared before the Investigator-ixaniner and testified as follows;

REDIESOT EXNMINATION.

c. Paws you appeared before in thio investigation of the Dachau Couap? A- Yes- .. You ar. rominded that you Still under oath, kill you kindly state what building

we are now stanaing in A. This building is knowm as the baths or showar-room of

the prison compound where I was twice hung by the wrists fro. one of the rafters.

Mr. wazuum OPITz volunteered to be hanged by the wrists in tne same manner that

he had been hanged by the 83 man. ictures were taken by T/L George Jones.

the

Mr, OPIrz, this going to be renactment of the way in which you

ahower-room rafters in chains while you were a priscner here.

have volunteorod to do for us some timne ago. The photographer

, a picture of you and you will then be taken down. A, Tea, I

were hanged from

This is something

of the staff will

know. I never

dreumod I would have this opportunity to show our deliverers what was done

I am glad to voluntoer for this little thing. The doctor will be here and

comanents as the picture is taken.

nt this point Mr. orITz was hanged on the rafter and ictures takon.

few mtnutes he wan removed from the rafter and the chains unraveled.

to us and

will maka

After a

2. Mr. OPITZ, you have just been taken down and the chains removod- Would you care

to cormont on this, to tell us your feelings while you were up theret •• Tou "ou1d

not let me stay long enough to do any ham at all. The other to umos I was haneed by the 33 in this on=p, the first time for ome hours, 1 was boaton ana they would adne

mesncxond forth as high as they could. IRter I had beun there for aamost one nour I wan never forgot now wet the floor was beneath ne caused by the perapiration To

mat ~ th. othar time you mentioned? A. That time 1 — “P- W "5 a.naranathe chains bat anto my wrists almost to tho bone and "

hands were swollen to a

either time, It neemod

large size from the pressure on my wist. I did not fain

my heart banging in V head. glad they nover aet dogs upon while 1 "as hencine

, u — — you — to eay? A. "admynhoped" “*•hn uw magttninkwoworodoadanacutue BoCA-OT fro

Hamburg, who wasm. hangman,used to throw pails of water on fainting men while the "e8

hanrine so that he could keep then conscious as long as cobble.

• lot longer than we would have otherwise.

This made us suffer

napponod to this MIS : BunnaaoT A "as * comvdetod Fibon" ""° g-cor=rder. ». a-u th. U.P1U1 ut I T“s about all I know of hangings.

or. vs appoared before the Invostigator-cxaniner and testrked M follow.:

’_______ _ n sin who has testirted prevlously in this investigation, lothat correct A• -

rontndee UM you " under “U- "W boen '""M diUI. exnamatton hanging of ur. m fros the Tos-

you ever boforo «tnessed prisonors hanginc by “ ir rM’ in th” ToTM : otanaang utetde and sax Uhrough the window of the builaine end

them hanging there. over allowad to go in while this xad doneveryone is a differentlong could a aan 3tend this hanging by the wrist.

resistance and whether or not heLegenaing upon a nan's hyalcal condition and

was beaten prior to being hanged.

. 'an you eay anything elew U Tee, you could

cut off at the wrists and the circulation was also

unnatural posidon of t • ars. mis subject, Ur.

see that the circulation was first

. cut off at the shoulder by

OFIrz, has not been in this

the

position

has already drained from his face.for thirty seconds and yet you can see Ue color

. .. . ,, :1a head was down then It turned white quicklJt first the color was blue because lie ns

and porspiration had already started.

. zayon.xouine r. 01721, wrists tU-.—.r-t- rafte r. s

ould you care to comment on thin *• • "9

, manute of such torture. Frinonors havo been

still very

ours by this

od,scarred from the chain biting into the

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subjects after hanging thie "A! for her

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woe ana Eingees were paralynad for monthe after. The prieoners1 ""6“ tanglang that awaya romainad in theiras patients would eomplain of a burnine

hands and aspactally in their fingers.by the chain on the wrists, of eourbe +he circulation system of the

the nerves

hands and

A,Doctor,... thare anything you cald do foz an "xe ul”Dag, to tb. nevos ana *10- was enorzous an oospartbke t erushed

me. ntu. that ba done. Depending upon the etrain of the "an and

Thie sort st injury was.

do little for.that we cculd

purpose until

A.

,. C uld a man eat after his

They o uld not lift anyth nghang.let their bandssh alders and

wrists and bringing

no more than this.a man, he got

looking.

anything further !°

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by prospure

him for any

by itself.Q. Aas there any maseage

Q. Why do you say that?

cause both hands were paralysed. The nl thing he -U do was

against another part ot nis bay because one hand ocula not helphands were in such endition A•

Nothing official.

. . ... almost normal circulationeonditlon, sows cases showed improvement and in s ,. , t ha nerves would heal themselvesreturned. Then he could only work and hope that the "6′63

as I have said, a paralysis caused

A lean’s hands were simply useless to

me .ay restored foelines and circulation

harardous for to assoctate *ith h*-- Futureoriginal punishment.

punished was

part of his

e axercises like

wlB, to u- shoes and then mor ane mor the •" o °M’’

__ and --a-,. It was difficult for a man.to massage bis handsto rub his

the other.

fin-

nand

no.

If they had t work they pushed 4 wagon with their

T. eat they drank soup by clutching the bonlWW nead dsnnto At. Unlesa ** risoner ted

or course we all helped the when no one was

the

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H4106-0034

TestSmony or Or. PAUL WUSSaxxx, taken at Dachau, Oermany at 3130 P (1530 hours)

Tec 3 ISIDCA M. asra 3211)631, acr 6823 3. A. sectiom EToU3A, A" 887' V. 8.

th. Investgator- kxaminer as a roporter and was sworn byhiminthe

, that yu «11 ruanfuy per Fora th duties 9t reporter

In this investigati nhow being oonductod by "9, -ou “od"

. paul wussunux appeared befor tn. Investigator- sxamdner and tostarted ••

Dr. xussanak, w. snvostagating the oonalua ne which exlete at • •e ha

trauon ca, Mr. a and alU^ atrocttss and cru.lt!.. co-itfd

toy tha ^.r-n ssinthe operation of wis camp, are you wdlling to take an end

testify as

willing to testify.

know or these conditions and these atrocities?

po you understand th. maning of an oath? A. T-. 1 understanddll y u kindly stand up, raise your rightland, and be ”worne You, Ir. IWL HV3-

ami, solemny swear that the teatimony you shall dive in this investieathon "being condueted, shall M the truth, the whole truth, and nothie

so help you God? A. 1 do.

but the truth

Your

Germany,

That

. PAUL HUSSARSK, and your address la Stuttgart and Cann* tadt.

Taubenhelm Strasne 993 A -es•

underotara that canostadt as • suburb of Stuttgort? A ‘en

„ ,~r arotnari, —mmud nimwenaybeabieto locate you latern case we neee you? A, That - •y oldust brother-’ 2op" he11 *

lour brother’s name 1* FANZ HUSSAESK? A.

murouan ay E-Sena, oscan musasalaK, adcrose • sehmsat-auosn, rsdehehterot

Xurtem berg, mar Stuttgart.

.. 1. -hat noar Stuttgrt? A. Yes.Eusaaxsx, Ma old ar. you? A, I •• born the 20 of Auaue*, 1902*

you speak and understand nglish ■

a a universtty: Iaa graduate orluniversit oreue

.. Haye you received any other A anter 1 recelved " "85" ° ’ ,tudl.d law for four yors, withoat fandsnina th. studies, paying th. Btate examir-

aton.Q. mer. ana you utudy lam? A. 1 studied at th Prague Univoreity becaune 1 had

eno ug mpare tima, and ot scientifie interest.You compaatod your 1a. course, is unat eorrect? A. I eppleted the wh 1• atudon,

but didn't pas th. law axaminatton. I had to pass taree examinatienn, ef which 1 pannoa on, two, and without passing th. third, you can’t cot the tlU.. MI didn't

adertako th. etudics to become * profensional lawye-".monasa youcomato th. Daehau Cona.ntr.tion Can? A. I case tot cancorration

Camp at achau on th. 1th of March 1941 •

a. From wh ere did you come? A. I came rrom Prague.. or. you at ooma other C oration Cam betore you enne to Daehau? A. Before

I came to Dachu X was in no other Concentration Camp-. .. , -,0, A X waa brought by th. Geetapo of PragueQ. By whom were you brouhat to -achau ‘ A* “ -5 “ -

to Dachau. ,. ror.hU A. In conneetion with antorrogatdon. I was interrosated • "*

E stay an JMUnd in 1037, and ay uuw «e aarferont foreien -•«-and rut ». cuech arelas who playse . «1. u th. w.t.> and pttca

Did you commit any eriminal ofrense ten woula have werranted your beine held in confnenom ana plncnd In the concentratton eamp? A. X coraktted " erime and what could bo a renson for < arrest, and for « being xopt ««rly 5 yoare in "acheu

Did you, at one Um, uv in England A. Yeo, ror • oduple of weeks, X

in London.

.. vaa you’ever viet any ot the other suropean —trto • Frenenutnd"neind 2 (w l -• 1” 1926, -hars 1 Four or Rive monthe at the Sourbonee-.. n. Itaw rant, «*t. bacauee had totred angland and Fpance, and because

or you cducntten, that yov bad political ennections abroad, is tht riet *•. Now did you go to Dachau” A.

I enme with a transport of nearly 60 men to achau

fro. Prague,

। did it take you to make th. tri from Prague to achau.' xactly

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Around 60.

windowe, two in • on ""

q. Upon your arrival at

no had to stand up while the other sat domn-

Prson Camp? A.

yhrer ZI

APFE

Da

no

Naffen-Melsterei.

orracs. and.«!— «" operating and manasine '•*“ Con- a u. ito. wat yon araved her- an 19411 A. In 1941 •e 8 "u

a Mid ss Oberecharfuhrer niz IX, F H

saus have toon Eapportfuhrers*

you kmow zufiret —’ *• No,1 don"* r= bor_ _ _ _ _ _ . ,, .t any r the other ss whom you have A.

Not tho flrat name, only the faml1‘

,lm w what 38 orricer replaced zI A. fu

A.

tte bersturmfuhrer HewPMA. M ° "" 1.m .rw «. Mauptsturmihrer BBWBI.

m ,0 ... .Mt . oelcr " " 06“ "

r.r • .Mr‘ time, “»*• and then RUPVTAT..emortomowoakPPT? *• RU ” wes the last lenderDo you know WlU O--M- "0T

Do you know whother oror SCHOBR was the leader < the

A, I don’t know SCWOBM•

ti ned?

know any of the flrat nav

No.

id you AT personally

a pork to him

Dd yo

.Mt was BL. raT‘8 ranx "" — na doscribe cberstufmuhrer E‘ zbou .t -la. We ... 1.75m tall. ""

a .e oval race without spectadles, clean sha

f miedle age.

He

A. (Cont’d) I think, grey eyes.

Q. Did RUPPSAT wear a uniform? A. lie ainays wore a uniform.

Q. Please describe that uniform? A. The uniform was of the usual military 38,

green-grey in color, all the 38 officers used to wear. On his left era he had a

nymbol of the Reich, the eagle in Oliver braid.

L. Did he wear black boots? A. No were black high boots and a cap with the visor,

with the skull insignia on the cap. On his collar, he had tiree pipe and one silver

stripe.

Q. t*. HUSSANEK, about how much did AUPIERT weighf A. No weighed about 75 to 78

4 kilos.

Q. About how eld was he? A. he was abou L0, I think.

a. Did nuPrIT alwaya wens this uniform? A. I saw his nly in this uniform.

.. Dd yo ever owe GUIP£?JA. I saw him.

. Can you describe him tow? A. CALP& was a clean-shaven, tall and quite

elegantly dressed orricr, in the ease SE uniform as A described, and he was always

very well dressed. I think that he was bald.

Q. About how big nan het A. He was larger than RV AT, of about 1.78 to 1.80m,

and he was strongly bullt, but he looked always a little bit worried, because, as

I heard, that he suffered from a etomach disease.

. About how old was CAMP*? A. CAMPI mas about 36 to 38 yeore of age.

m .. Nas he pretty Cat Tae was not fat. No was well fed, but not fat.

. Did he wear glassesf A. No, he didn't wear glasses.

q. Did he have a moustache IA.Moustache? No, he was clean-shaven.

. Did he have any distinguishing mark abou hie face or body? A. No distinguish-

ine characteristics. /

Q. lid you over see aET IT 7^ A. karrITz I saw Very often.

q. Please describe him to us? A. narrr was a tall man with curly, erey hair,

was larger than KL JIT and kau L, and I saw him in the unifora of an 3 Hauptsturm- > $-

fuhrer, with his three pipa and two stripes. He wore a short cut eoustache and his

age was 50.1 .

.. How tall was he A. 1.78m. ---

. as ho fat or thin A. He was rather fat, strong. He is br cader than RUFPSRT

(Cont’d) and CAMP&

Q. Did he have any particular characteristic or workings about his face? A

Ies, his behavior was a particular character istic

on the parade ground. So he used to talk and very often he was drinking,

and

Q

than he had all his speeches with the prisoners. He used to call us plutocrats

sure that he did not know the meaning of the word

Did you ever see HOFPMANITA. I saw HOFFMANN many tine*

Can you describe him to us? A. H FFMANN was nearly 180 or 182m tall, very

strongly built had in 35 Untersturmfuhrer’g unifora on, and, after that

Obersturmfuhrer, at first with three ips, and afterwards, three pipe and one

stripe, black, hieh boots. He used to walk down the line, when we marched in the

parateegrounds, and to soak out prisoners who moved or talked and to sla then or

to kick them with his boots

pid he base any particular charaeteristic? A. He had no particular character-

because of hie brutality

stern man. He liked it «hon the

pris nor fell to the ground after being hit.

. About how old was he? A. HOFPLAN wes about 40. that tme, about 39, 40,

o

F

as I imagine hm.

Did you ever see ZILLT A. ZII saw also was the lead r of the carp,

He was around height--1 .68m, and ba wore the unifor of an aS Hauptsturmfuhrer

light grey summer unifora with b ots first in

the cam , As I remenber it

carry it go with his little dog

lie was at or thin" He was stout

,hat was the color of his hair. A. Blonde

aar a moustache

bout how old was he

ld he have any peculiar ch racteristic ho

36 yea

a

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a.■ho was the Commander within the compound? A

Then there was a to—nd er over the Canp Commander who was the Kommandant

that correct? A

now any of the Ko mandants at Dachau? A nly the fi rat

turobannfuhrer PI RKOaST, but I neve

saw him, and the second was 39 Sturmbannfuhrer WSISS, sad then the next one was

HEITR

lid you ever see ail S3 and EIT RT A. I saw , only from a great diet sice

Do you knom any of the SS Medical fficers? A r.

HINT RMBIER (Sturmbann

Q. Who was HINTERMSISA7

be epi tal

00 you know how long Dr. HINT- M l I w s at Dachau? A. Ko exactly

here several years? A. 1| years, I think he was here

That about BRACHTSI Pr. BRACHTAL was Second Chief Doctor

f the hospital

Did ye HINTERMBIER?

Can you describe him to us? A HINTERMIRR isaman years of age. He

le aro nd 1.70cm, a little bit fat, wearing the uniform of an S3 Sturmbar nfuhrer

with four pipe on his collar He

walked with his toes pointed inwar lagged a little bit bah in

very often ir the last fortnight in my worcing

old was HINTEPMEL A. 45

A

A

Mo 1.70m

nuch did he weigh? A

Do you know where we could get a picture of Cr. HINTUNIR or any of these

A. You car get a picture of him in the hospital

him the e

Did u I aa in a secton of the hospital

ye

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A. (Cont’d) tall and with broen hair, and brown moustache, and not fat

Ne weighed around to kilos

Did else in the S3 Medical

I There was another chief

I saw at • distance or going by on • blcyele

Hauptsturmfuhrer, and 3 Sturmbannfuhrer

turmbann fuhrer Md fat, fair-haired

bout how many f ths Dachau

that is, the compoun and the not the balance of the camp

ompound achau

Dachau? I saw a lot

hat Kino itted?

o the ground. I saw how they had been kicked

into the backsides M lbw i* when they had been lying on the eround

poople with U

suffered yot roe if

their hands behind their backt vur

stableThese

alt

Stea

n th been

uti sible

ive hooks esch, so that

it mas in th- company of

f

. veryouo

Aour feet not touching the floor

A.

'Id Unhanged with you reach the nloor "

nd they had t® endure th sane treatvent

hen their feet would reach the floor.

but no

would they be raised several ttehes of

ahedth floor, he was hanged ’ tsher»

to be observad, so that he could rekt his

idn’t see

anyonBut I saw how hey lost their conaciouenene, h " the cr 6

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ bow have b-n edolad by cold water when they

Do you

unconsci u® le

For hothey remain unconscious? A. nly fors

pall of water was thrown on them to

Then

w lone did you

•till left hangine•• ist in the rashion that y u have

n that fahl*

t one hour

became

At

H41

breast from here (pointing)

than the pains in the

•riot—I couldn’t feel n hands and arme coming bask to life fr six to elght weeks

afterwards.

with this chain behind your back? A. The strain was in the

“ CCont’a) other prisoners? A. Than they put me down, and undone the chain,

I was not able to lift or raise my arms and I had the feel lag that I had no arms.

mmm

and el«M • coat—and, afraid to be found with unbottoned clothen--and I got, im-

medtately for that negligence, a necond accusation. I pleadod with the men, who

were in a better aond iti n to close and button my coat.

- Doctor, where was the most strain, when you wore hanging with your hands tied

Q. And J° h«d to keep your muscles absolutely tight and try to balance yourself

by the strength of your wrists and arm muscles, isn’t that right? A. Tea

tartare? A. The condition of the othir gri sonars was the same as ay Bond iti n.

of them couldn't, as l remark 04 afterwards, for a long time, moe their arms. Cne of

tham was 11mp on hla right Mad, and this limpness lasted for a long time, even after

being in the hospital. I myselr felt, for a cou le of weeks, always a l1mp feeling,

on ay right hand and fingere.

. r. MUS ARKK, Can you give us an approximate estimate as to h w many prisonere

have been subjected to the wrist hanging torture by the ss since you have been in thia

cnmp? A. An average of 200 in a month, and that lasted until October 1942.

.. As L understand, you dn’t know wheter Vere wore any wrist hangings arte 1912,

ie that correct? A. That io correct. If you like to kn w, Sir, this data, from

1942 unti th arrival of tie hmnericans, of those who have been hange , you will rind

from and that is the man of the baths, the prisoner who makes the bathe—his name

H Gc RGL.

.. Doctor, did you testify yesterday as to the candition in the block where you were?

A. You mean in the barrake: ,

4. Too. A. No.

i. now any primers were there in your bios* when you first arrived at Dachau?

A. At ay arrival in Dachau, the average amount of prisorers in one bloc- was arcund

thr«e to f ur-hundred and fifty.

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in t

an

A,

a block?

A

H4106 -0044

That anans

sufriclent, but net after the days work was thr ugh

ctor, did you witness the hanging of two hussian prlsorors in M V ember 19447

ease tell us about that ineident7 A

more than 1

or CLothes epartmont for th* 13 nere at wit. Te were all br ugh to

witness the hanging

» know what th* Russians did' I kneu it only by the relating of what

I heard. I hanra that thcy cut the leather belt at a machne to make moles for

Tell uo more about the hanging? n ne eide we were etanding, and an th*

other nide a platoon at

ropes with noones

a big one and

chaine handelag of a document and

tte docunent that they ar* oonrined t death t r sabotage, but they

and an interpreter had to tel un in Hussian, olish

that everyone or us will eufrer the same penalty if "e nt • r damasnd tat Lelongea te the as. Then, after that, there watt given Lhe order ,

e nd te lookad ar und

tmeha

taway

and

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perhaps badly strangled, and the noose was going before the ear, so the strane-

Intion was not strong enough, and he eventually murfered great pains, because in

this effort he two the steel chain with which his handshad been bound or. the bask,

so he got his hand loose. They had been hanging nearly a quarter of an h ur in

our -esence. and then we got the order to go away. Then we departed, one of the

ss leaders ordered, out of this mase.ropoat his orders three

to our

f the file

laces.

i. Rusaian who

was knocked No.

what length ime did hestrugglet A. He struggled for nearly three or

, in the eight minutes, there was showing that heisun-

G. were in fact strangled to death, rether than hanged, s that correct?

Q

ther No. It was a

four centimeters in the drop, because the nooses had been so high

dop sufficient to break the neck

urson would, of neceesity, have t suffer gre t paine and agony

Long these Bussians lived after the boxes

(tent'd) Hot exactly

Q.□ remain nitnessing this scene?

. .re th Russlans tr ated more brually than other prinonere at seen everyone

A. That I un'l say, because we have/treuted the "*

.. Would prieonere occastonally •W1 A, Prisonere escaped, oe

q. What happened when a primner escaped free

didn't hapven from the blockB--

Q. Nhat happened when a 18 oer 555"P""

had to stay to long on the parade ground until

From 1939 to 1941 it happened five times, as 1

In the rirst yes

the escaped one had b

was told, that the whole

ught.

had to

hot or cold, night or day, for many heur >n the

And it happened that a couple prisoners died because they fell down

exhaus ted.

q. Doctor, did you recognze any of the

_... ... . vuaslans were hanged? A;

3s of flciale or soldiers "ho were present

I remember the Rapport

Did youformed by 6 the

Ha

, 1 kn e them nly by what 1 "an told.

the ernat n’t A, I was told b the ‘

A. Naturally, I know t very

Tea, I was in the dungeon

r eight weeks ago

an incident in

V jun li t. a hr ok? A. ’•••, uan you tell ue about that incident? It worine in the

.. —. . c. , paifter, a black triangle, but I don't reme

in a suf-

Juap int

de of the Komsando fuhrer, so the Ko mandofuhrer

which was flowing by lace.

him

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A. (Cont’d) cold Apr- da}’ and " "6 """--------------------

eoaf folding, noa 1/ two netars high above the cround, end to at ond thr in *‘ " ti* fra two o’dock in aftarmoon untu he rel down fumst" peatrandins entirely axhavsted, and that mas around rive o’cleck. Then,/"" wont ac v 62 c" at 5i30, . carried naa into the caep and eave mm over to the maapdtal, "hor " died in the same night or the following day.

. a., deep wee th. watar in this br ok? A. The eater mas around 1m deop-

A

Q.

In

of

kas this priscner conpletely soaked, and not, when he care out of the br ok

Almost completely soaked—l think hie head wasn’t soaked.me, in that wet condat n, the prisoner was forced to stand at attenti n cut

tha upon until he fell down, exhausted? A. Too.

no yu know of any other atrocittee? A. hen l was secretary. Block bveretan Uw gaon block an Stober 1%1, I had to ragister until Hovenber 19u1bevon

suictd. attempts in my block. Fire of them hanged themselv ., ne cut Ms "ristana the oth r went into th. fence.

. lectrocutedz A. Ee was electrocuted and shot by the guard

tower

nn ata thene prisonere commit bucide? the

They committed sulcide because they

re entirely exasperated to stanc/treatment in the camp any longer, or for a longer

Dd you have prisoners going insane because of the mistreatment and unde rnour-

ishnerat this camp? a. I had rive or of °” Uat

was secretary of the Block, and, after • tine, becaue they "F

wr. gent . u, hos,atal to a specinl room, 1 didn’t

Block 24,

but I couldn’t bay whether

ofrthmi A. hat I heard--they died I t he hospital,

they acaby getting an tnjecti n et whether they have

been tick and died in a natural way »

people otan injection

Cac-_.MAMLLATION BY fit . .' TALKO:

I knom only that ga® cham-

Did the

I didn't

chambers high

the did

kit than

guards

told that these

day before the

guard when they left? A

remalned hen th 8S group left? A

the towere and to the other

aCol

CHaTU, JA

Iventigator-ixamine r

I couldn’t tell, because I hadn't been in there

T1

Tentimony of 3n ra. ooanza, taken at Dachau, Oermany, 0950 hour*. May 12, 175*

Pec 3 131na 1. ASren, 32115631, ICIT 6823, Rq. LTOUSA (J. A. Seetion) AFC 887, 1

him

in th* following Too swear that you will faithfully erform th* dut of

reporter in this Investigation now being conducted by me, Bo help you God

S/Sgt. A LATRENCS, 33625383, WCIT 682J, Hq. ETOCSA (G Section) Al

t. s, Army, appea ed before th* Investigator--xamner as an interpreter and "as sworn

a swear tht you will truly Interpret in this Investigation

now beng concucted by me, *o help you God."Mr. JU Fa. QcMEER a peared before the Investig tor-Examiner and testified a* followa;

we ar* gating th* oonditi ons which existe at the achau Frison

time that th* German S3 operated this camp and th* subsidiary camps

alleged atrocities and cruelties which were committed by th* SS upon prisoners

or all natlonalities. *r* you willing to take an oath and testifiy as to what you

know abut these cond ti ns and these cruelties and atrocities committed by th* Germans?

Yec •Do you know th* meaning of an oath? A. Ice

that the evidence gve in th

• sworn. You, JI A GONIR, do solemnly •••ar by

investigaticn now being co nducted/i ehall be

th* truth. truth, and noth ng but th* truth, 80 I do.

Alour n

Lavier Brasaevr, Esch sur Alsetti (Luxembourg) , th* address

whi ch y so that we may be able to locate

neec

are y

Yesprinone 7 irce

n March 2, 1944.

That was a group of Luxembourguxemb urg Resistante Movement?

helping

and other Mans

am a commercial representative of

have been prevlcusly.

IdThis campera?

read an official re0 prisoners. I have

TheDachau"

rofession or occupation? A

By the German Gestapo in

the time that you came to Dachau? A. Yes

five months, and for 14 months in Hatzweiler

Who operated the two prison camps that you just referred to? A. Geneen 35

n Camp operated?the

Khat criminal offence, if any, did you commit, to have warrant ed/German Gestapo

I have not commMed any crimes

I was a member of the Luxembourg Besistantlovement.

Nationalists who opposed the German occupation by all means available, by

pharmaceutical products

Khat were the conditi ns at the Dachau Pris n Camp whan you arrived here in 1944?

The o nditions in Dachau Camp were very bad, though better than in the Goneentratlin

Camps of Xatzweiler and Kinzert

How any prisoners wore than at the Dachau Camp proper vhen you arrived here? A

Between twelve and thirteen th usand000

Between 30/ and 32

during al this tinez would be 20,000 to 25,000 he last figures

are very hlgh, because we ha t of

m nths.

Has there suficiant room in the b

or ai

s or Urr c.-j within the compound to accom

mentioning that this camp was overerc

t

cor ta

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A. (Cont'd) bi of brond, watery soups or bran soups, and for those who worked, a 11tt1

marcarene with their bread. That was completely ineufriclent to 11ve on. Another fact

was the terrible manotony of our medls. ie got the sane thinga always to eat. The

soup at lunch time amelled so badly that it was hardy over edible.

Q. “hat wee yur breakfast food ration? A. nly one cupful of coffee.

Q. lere y given any sugar or milk? A. No.

.. What waa your noon day food ration at Dachau? A. Normally ane ladleful of water.

•• “hat was your ove .ng meal for dinner? A. ie got threa or four times a week a

4 ladleful of flour Boup, and one eidhth of a bread loaf. The other days we got the

name amount of tread and a very small plece of sauuage or margarens. The sausago

was eometimes oo p or and anelly that we sent it to tie tospital for analysls and were

told that it woo inedible. •

•• "he nuch sausage would you get when you did get sausage? A. A piece ab ut the else

of * are., cake of soap. I would say it was a road piece 8 centimeters diameter and

one centimeter high.

.. How large a piece of breud would you receive? A. e got 250 grams of bread, and

125 grams or tread during the last times.

. The food ration which y u have testified about, w s that the regular food ration

given to al. risorers here at Dachau? A. That waa a normal fooe ratin for every

• person.

. That was the result of the pels nas getting the food rati n that you lave described?

A. Theconsoquece was general exhausti n and numerus diseases among the ris oners

especial y phlegmone , neakness of heort, hunger, ty hue and very poor hysical condition

of all prisoners. The body could n t resist microbic attacks any futher.

.. How nuch did you weigh in civilian life? A. 85 kilos.

•• How such do you weigh now?.The last time I welgted myselr 1 weighean kilos.

.. Did all of the prisoners lose weight as a result f the food rati n? A. Sverybody.

w. -ere y u brought to achau in a trans art with othar grisonerst A. I cane on a

transport with 200 ther risonars from Natzweiler.

. >hat abo t the typhus and the dysentery and other diseases or to camp? A. a

big typhus • idemic started last ctober and Novumber. ae bad at Leant 3,0 0 cases

of de th because of typhus every month, as Ikow from the statistical reports I tad

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A, (Cont’d) to make up myself. Th. figure t 3,000 comprises aleo ether dinenes*

but I believe most f them were tphus cases. '

mat wa» done by the S to combat these epidenics7 A. It that, to an out-

eMier, that the M tried to avoia typhus epidemic by injectiona, and other means, but

wo on tha Inatd. know that there were at enough drugs to avold this epidemic euffio- Lenty so that nothing was done to prevent the further spresd of the disqane within

ye cmp. As a delegate of the Luxembuurg Red Crosa, I know that some drugo were sent Pthis camp, to right the epidemic, for Anatance, insecticide powder. That powder

wee not usad, but stored in the hoepital, ard the fact that six or seven men slept in two beds infested wah Ueo helped to epread the csense among prinonere □revival/

not sick with typhus.

q. You used the Eollowdng ax oreselon "We, on the inside, knew that tbaGernane were

not ombating the disease*, flhat do you mean by that saying "ae, on the inside—' ?

A. By mse on the inside—'’, I mean the general talk su ng the prisoner..

Q. Was any attempt made t- segregate the typhus cases and keep those men who surr- ering fron typhus away from the priaoners who did not have the disease? V. In ths beg­

inning a segregation took place inside the camp hospital, where ty hue eabes were

segregated rrom thar cases. The number of those cases, however, Ancrsnsed to such an

Oxent, that convalescents, -ho had sot been com lately cured. had to be cent out again

among the bed thy rrisoners, so that they spread the disease again outside of the cep

hcopatal. Tre was also a great number of newcomers, who suffered fro* ty hue and *

could nt be segregated any further, because the hospital was overerowded .

4. Did they renaln in the blocks with the prisoners * had no typhus. A. las, sick

and healthy were sleeping next to each other within the quarantine blocks.

.. I direct you attention to ths morth of September 1944, and ask you lf tbere "ore a

1st of prisoner transports thtcme into Dachau Camp during that month” A. Teo,

very large trans ports arrived dur ng that month.Can you describe the conaiti no of those transporta and the conditi nethe pri

sonare whe they a rived here? A. I reneeber transports who arrived dead fro* Funaery- ..any priorero, at that time, did nat even have their names entered in the omP r-

cords. Vany ahera had to be taken at once int the camp hospital and Vo general oon-

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beaiti n of prisoners of those transports was very p or. It nay/that the Funsartan

That was different.

There might have been hundreds or thousands on one transport.

q. Usually the transport ran between 400 and 1,000 prisoners, isn’t

That would be ths average, but some were more than 1,000.

th t true?

I direct your specific atten

month of September 1944, and wi if you remember that transport

specifically?

reca 1 of that transport?

700 dead prison ere. They

I remember that Cn one French trans-

had in one boxcar a hundred prisoners of which

92 were dead, and only elght living han arrived n adha•

Q. in that particulr French trarsport, bow vany actually survived and lived at the

condus n of the trip?

Do you kne

alive when the transport arrived.

it trans ort came rrom? A, From Compiegne, Lyon and Bordeaux

as tand drin

Sir,

ges that composed the transport I have not seen the train

cattle nagons and one boxcar containad some-

Che railroad cars were nailed with b

wired with barbed wire o

id you talk to a survived t! Tee

rovided

A rstand thet tl ne

nal food.

not

but were no do so

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mmmmmmT

a special detail for unloading those train*

do I understand that ye

Office where work was distri-

to obtain the names of all

eubeldithe 'achatth Do yot

of a place there you couldI wuld not kncw

or ourit we have prepared a list own Containingall the nans

nailties

trusted «

■Mail rsonne

was gen

tyou referred to?

Mr. & the Recor s Office at the achau

the 3 personnel who oersted

obtain such a list?

uei

from hunger and the gereral hyglenic Oonditions on transport

that • considerable number of prisoners arrived dead from

general conditions of the train and boxcars?

And that fact was generally know by the

bodies and take than

It

rieners at

to go

Yen that la correct

l worked in that part of the RecordIng

buted an ng trisoners, the so-called Arbeite~einsatz

(Kxhibit "-7"

Des Ixhib

* did you prepare

if that

witness) A. That

xhibit?

stor pere nnel wh

conta1

nly had among us peo

do th Ink

ly have a long r list.

d by

ut t

(Cont’d)

tion contaird

statements.

know It.

1h

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Vor ina

Do yov knew KEITaR’ rlret name7 A.

followsi

that came a

I haveIEITaR? A

PFLAUM

bernchar-

in the sac nd colunn obtainadi A. n page one of -xhibit

R-1" lIne 20, there la the name or Oberscharfuhrer HAPPL, and the comment opposlte

"At least 50 exucutions on hie account." liow did you obtali

that nforsation that RAPPL was respo sible for at least 50 executioneT *•

tlat information from the old prisoners or from our own memories, and are sre that thie

Information is trustworthy. Ke have absolute confidence as to th veracity of those

porsonal observation aid mombry of HETT and HAUSCH and the other five cr elx prisonere

who ant with you and assistad you in complling Exhibit "Byl"T

Um belief that the ertris in that column ought to be multiplied

a. Shoula you or any of the other priscners think of the nams of other ersonne-, will

y u kindly make us a list and give it to ue? A. Gladly.

I now direct your attenti n to page 7 of Lxxhibit a-1 and particularly to cemarks

Prom our own memories, ana also from recorde as we kept them in our ofrices-Mr.o NQ2 I want to ask you specirically who was UW -ager Kommandant of the

Aehau Camp at the tine or imu elatcly prior t the tino that the Americans took oer

bersturmbar nfuhrer KeITa

I regret I de not

knowledge, was the Lager Korn—intent of th« Dachau Camp bef re

OS?, I do not recall his first naan.

r the other 33 personnel who assisted in operating the achau

Ah, yes-- beroturafuhrer NUPP

Can you recall the first names A

bersturmuhrer SCHHAMN, Oberscharfuhrer

Xo. I also reneber Hauptschartuhrer BTEGI

Oberscharfuhrer B 04, Hauptscharfuhr er SICHB n. Hauptachurfuhrer M

, .bar s char fuhrer JAR B, Hauptacharfuhrer I T•

I now band yau axxhibit "-2 and dir oct y ur attenti ah to page 14 and 15, and

will ask you to eUto what that page shoms? A. Tlat la a monthy report she" in8 a

A, (Cont’a) list of tte branch camps under th* jurisdiction of tie Dachau Canp Eiving

thetr locality, exact address, number of prisoners in each camp and th* number of

prisaners expected to work there at some later date.to 23 Inclusive

X now direct you to page 16/on Exhibit "-2" and will ask you to atate what that

•ho**? A. That 1s a 11st of namen, rirst names and ranko of *11 th* S hospital per-sonnel of Dachau and it* subaldiary branch cup

. mat i* the flrat na • appearng en page 16 or tbe Dachau Hospital poraonnel? A.

FRITZ HINT RMIR•

, . Aat 1* th* name or th* Iast person ap earing m Pm* 23 at th* Dachau Camp Hospital?

A. DENISE M MUTT---she was a nuree.

Mr. cosEn, are you famiiar with th* ss organization operating at th* Dachau Frison

Canp? A. Yes, I know their set-up.

I.. fill you dacrib* t’e

Dachau Prison Camp? A:

organization as it functioned in It* operati n of the

The haad of the camp

He was suxta posed t th. Political Departient of th* Camp. Under t • . lticl epertmont

cam. Five 3- dapartuarts, the ruret deportmente ntatned the Rersor.al Staff of th* Camp

Comander. This Departna t Included te adjutant, th* Dungeon Comander, th* Crsator-

Aum Commander, the distrlbuti n of work toprismer’s section, and the Cam venalty

Motion. Depurtment muabe 1, under the Lager Mo mandant coatained the prison CamP

Conandor and one or two a blatant a, th* Aapportfuhrer, and the s Slockfuhrers- <M*

dopartnent contaned th* raponstbanaty for ue running f th* inner cumpound. Th* thirddopartment dealt with the Canp administrati n. It eontained officer* responslble

clothing, Loaging and 0o on. The fourta depertnent comprised the 38 troop* leh

•« pri* ner guarda for utside detana, and livod in the 3s barracks The departnert contalned the camp Hadical ^r^l. th* 6 doctars and «H.... X nt* that you way that thero was a i oluici Depertnent or Oestap at that

ment wrkine in conjunct n with th* tager Kosutandant: A. That hu at haw* bos ‘

, .that waa a c-tapo or g liti cal - *cti n a* a part the i

for food.

acted

fifth

tion f the Dachau Cam 7 A. Absolutely

.. I now again cal T<*T attenti n to xhibit "R-1",

11ne 14024 Inclusive and X noto tiat that column Is

•nd particularly topagol thereof.

listed "Secret

Shat dX mean exactlj te Plitical

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Dachau Concantratior

this camg

propeat the Dachau

that was well know an

Yes, there was a Bordello at comm

Nas 1t/only known among the

10 to 13 vozon.

lodged

in Block 31.

. the

right inside

acrlo.d

the

MM

les.neld with tn1sinri

xunning fro* >

soecial indusury

• y -

were brought to Dachau frc Concentration Cs"P wavenne

siatnicurr ncy cindustry.

elT tlpecial

hi ch they

.ter an thaello

Block-z pos.

the oth

prisoner,

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(Conta) Departaent or Gestapo department at this camP*. Th. list of nanos that yeu have on Mbit H-l’ on p*g• 1, lines 2 t 2 10-

ausivo,ar. those the names of Gestapo Personnel who belongod to te Political “P

which you have just t.rtifi^? A. That is correct. Ill these P.o -re

employed by the Political Department.

Do you know anything about a Bordello here at the

brothel of gtrls here at the Dachau Cap

spread through the camp Block secretarles

shat do you know about that Bordello

that such a place existed

I know fro* reports I sent

house of prostitution c ntained, on an

mhey were brought in the summer of 194

lodged inside the compound 11xe

at th. Political vepartment, or

dungeon for breaking of camp regulations.

myself to

risoners, except if they

Bordello located within the Prison Compound proper’

the inner compound, at the r

prisoners permitted t

-f the camp street in a low barrack.

visit this Bordello? 4 At first only ermana.

cates were permitted te have tneir names an-

Liat ke t at ths Heccrdin

a their dates to visit the

de Lae ch and Polish nati

prison lenders who

or dello, irrespective

la risit this brothel from which

eaders. Camp police or

ere used by the es were permitted to

f the national ity of the

Chat was an inner cam

t ray for the use

due mainly to the

girs in the br

had received for thel

-

nati onai

« heleft lachar these croupBnchau

other cases.rie tiers byshcotinR

scan fr

t wae received att a Secret order

3 at DA ch* uris

h e tr. that ve 1re was euch an

under s

2 cn* 1weakened b

! avea r cn ansi e< dori i

testified ab Ur rtio tN

uxembour Ft from »

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forredr i • tier* wh

that is

did you know ।

ssuans.

These

3T

(Conrta) at their 3 be by their SB su peri re. The paper of three aerke value per

nitted e prisoner t visit the brothel tnree aifferent tines

anything about several thousand Germane, Austrians, ku8

slans and Italian prisoners who were evacuated from -achau t

the 27 of April 1945, just prior t

Shnt do you know about that.

n Friday, a transport of

lous block secretarlot

gu dad b;

the south on or about

the time that the Americans took the camp overt

Two days before the hmorcans arrived

700 prisoners f Germar Rumanians and Bulgarlan

were marched in groups of 100 each and "ere

h the nghtuntil after

burned in the crematorium

and tlat later on it was run by the Bavarian Motor Korks, and used for Jewlsh priscners

Approximately 4,0 0

were parti ou arly bad as far as hygiene was ooncerned.The prisoners were sleeping on

straw that had lice and fleas and were a time unable to obtan washing

In theHere there any beds or zattresses? querent*no barr cks there were nc

beds nor mattresses

confined atDid none of the prisoners th were the Alla ah €anp return to Dachau?

returned from the Alla eh Camp? AThat was their condition Ao- they During

most of the* died after they returned to Dadau

Do yu know anything about the Setters Camp where prlai neis worked for the Messer-

a certin number, of risoners t work for Messerschmitt we learned thatandThey

n they did rot get food nor drinkthose

lodging, whatsoever

plant at Kottern?That kind of a plant was this Keseerschmitt That was a campA

Itwhere special parts for Yassereehaitt alrplanes were manufactured

where very hard wrking conditions prevailed

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Describe the conditions at the Alla ch camp? A. I heard that conditions at A la eh

prisners arrived at their destinati

a preliminary Let of 837 names of such "eriminals" was prepared. X did nt know

were in the most mserable conditicn Imaginable. They were like living skeletons and

it originally had 4,000 inmates Ao grew to 11,000 prisoners later on. I understand

achaitt? A. All I kn w about Kottern is that two civillans by the nano of WIKDER

Augsburg and STSHLIR , case to this camp as Messerschmitt's nee or confidence

Allach for work in the buying trade. Then these prisoners returned from Allach, they

the later times Allach Camp prisoners cane back only to be treated in the

Dachau hos ital. They were in very poor condition. Previ usly prie hers

Q. Mr. GoxNin, ds you kow anything about the SS Prison Caap at Allach-Karlsfeldr All

A. /I knw about that camp is that at first it formed part of the Crganization Todt

16-

understand some were Russian Officer prieonere of war

J new direct ruur attenti n to pages 37,38, 39 end 40 of Exhibit "-5"

Industrial

the Dachau

chau subsidlary camps

artrent which compiled those 11 ata

sav ral Hesserachmitt entries on page 39 of that ixhibitI note that there

--what Kind of planta

a chaul understand y

elementsThat ia correct socialplants

there

at

abo t the hygienic condit ns in that cemp pact through stated

> t miserable cndit1nd n.

body

This is a quAr t

sed to

were political pricer

an

r and filth, lice

Waith con

that the riasrers lived in enall huts under

women, children and babies, and

That reporte

such pur-

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Q. “hat does the first item of page 8 bhow by the munber 53,117*?

wma the uverage strength of the prison camp Dachau, includng the sub-branch cawps

who died durIng that period

rION BI CLI

youhave her than what yot

mp immediately

ihat does item Be, 2 show by the figure 10,435? A, The total number of prisoners

mean ony one thin

cal led hig", that

2,000

testiriec

Berlin

Sir, I thin}

liquidate the

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Tec 3 ISIDOR M. AST, 32115631, War Crines Investigating Team 46823, lq. KT USA

(J • A, Secti n, U the Invostigat or- Examiner, Col. DAVID

GHAV hia in the following forma

that you will faithfully perform the of reporter in this investigation now

being conducted by me, ao help you God."

/Sgt ICE, 33625383 ISA (J Section) AP 887

appeared before the Investiga

nterpret in this invostigati on now being

IG DLIESCMAR appeared before the Inveatigator-Lxaminer and testified as follows

W. DBMECHAR, we are conducting an investigation ar to the conditions at the

Dachau ri son Canp and the att cities and cruelties that were committed by the

Are you willing to take an oath and testify as to ehat you know

about thone conditions, and what yoi ing

. Do you know the wan/of an oath

achau? I

Yee

understand what the interpreter has been saying to you?

and up and be sworn. You 10 Di AR, do solemnly swear that the testi-

mony you shall give in the invest ig ti n now being conducted by me shall be the

truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help y u

lease state y ur full name, ycur age, and address? IQ

Rakek ccupat ion—butcher.

Did live with yotr wife and family at hakek

.here were you orginally arrested?

February 14, 1943

"J Ian troops.

T u were thin taken to Italy, and remnined eight m

en brought t corre at

been * camp since etober 1943;

ft

ght. v th

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There were Yugoslavs, Itallans

civilians

About 80 men

hey were soldiersor civillans?

These 80 men were takenf them7l haventatif theid you see them being taken

theled outwitnessed the men getledBy whom were they led out of the stati n They

diers

in charge

acau?

officersfl

can’tofficer a there

don't know.

it theyou

o you know the namosof any of t were taken off t unch?

in Sulmona , Italy

away by German sol

in the t br ght you

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five to sevenan have to use a bed

five

Chatsqueeze

if the beds sh wn on thatshow you Exhibt /ou

latrineKo clean

e were unable

lock 25 from the montha of180

ir<

Block 25 during th se

mick during the six norths that you mere in Bloc

ysentery ,

theanc/othe r 160

257 A. It is absolutely so.

where you were kept during the first six monthe

th conditi ns in Block Mo. 25 during the first six months when you

It was overcrowded and filthy.

sere there surriclent beds in Block Mo. 25 for the 1600 to 1300 men tho were kept

How about the bods— would more than one

xhibit re similar to the beds that you said that had to

seven men in Bloc*

the latrine kept clean in Block 251

io/mean, nhen you say not clean, dencribe •

these latrines for the simple reason that non had t

on the floor during the day. There was no rm.

Did they die' in Block 251

as any these son in Block had those

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Did the men who had contracted typhus, dysentery, and other diseases, remain

in the sane bloek with isoners who did not have these diseases?

did

(hat food did you receive during the six months that you were in Block 25 Toll

coffee

Q. For

carrots

you recelved for breakfast? Brenkfast consisted of a half liter

n sugar, no milk

lunch 7 From three-qusr ter s to one liter of soup, showing traces

or cabbage

f r au per, with either one 81ice of bread ne slice

A

A

Q

boloney or one Mall piece of margarene

Nas that black bread or whte bread?

Row large a piece of bread did you get?

Black

This black bread measured about

10 cw long, 5cm wide and 5em thick

A

era you taken in the SS headquarters when you first came to Tacheu No

ft you know what a idlers operated and managed the Dachau oneentrnt n Casp

was run by the o8dere you compelled to perform some duties after the first six montha that you

were in this l have been fercad t go on a transport t< Frinee

•hat was that trana ort Tell us ab t it a ut to build a tunnela cn

o

in length. This transport was t construct a tunnel 7 kilometers n

leng-h in Markirch for the installation of a factory in aeronautical con-

struct! on

How many chau cam f r this urpose? 500 men left

with my

How

but another trans ort left a few days before contain ing a thousand

I worked for only 10 days.

Huw long did the r at wor for? f the men remsined th

Do you kn w the f some

Ky brthe r worked the e until the last day. y brother’s nane

that we can call him a* a witness, is he?

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A. I didn't

Dachau, but was sent to Nachzweiler I remalned there f or five monthe

and then I returtod to Dachau

Have you left Dachau since that tine? A I did

e were taken to Allach, because we were t to

injections ugalnst typhus

Then you returned U Dachau

bonYou worked caking f ires utting b dice in, an

l did al except the burial art

How long did you work at From October 1944 until the day

the Americans arrived

1 call your attentic n to an incident that happened two

rior to Nay 5th

ace take y

I I understand

tell us in your own words shout

that

bed the non into the cremator lum, we had to go down int

to witne he execution the

The

d the remove the bodies in

ft« that, we were released

t

ben tee bunch of bodies just executed 1 noticed

bent fashion, flailing his arms and raising his bhcul-

rat name is IL. He came, took no

ook said "Ach ■bout f

al this I o ntinvert working on the first

ed fr didn't touch the twelve bod­

the for the tri to the cere-

5

shortl- after you heard the shooting, were you brought upstnirs from the callar:

“* "ere y u taken immedkately to where the 12 bodies were? A. Yes.

• bid tide executi n take place within the erematorium compouna? A

took place inside th garden of the crematorium.

the execution

bld you see any bullet wounds on these 12 bodies ? A the bulletwounds in the heads

Did ¥ 0 notice where the point of entry was, and the point or exit A. Somein the front, and ku in the rear,

12 people wore who were executed? A. I don’t kn w them

but a friend of mine told me that one of them was SCHUSSNIG. Alan, another one

was a Gerwan General, wh se name I don’t know. My friends in the cromatorium over-heard the $3 men talking that it "as 8upposed to be SCHUSSNIG, tnA they, in tarn

told ne

Did you see Some 5 men near the cromatorium on the day that this executin took

ho, I did n t

.the usually performed thene executions? A. fbe executions were usually performed

by • n named BUNGAAIT. His title to borsch a fuhrer. He was assisted by other ss

men but I haven't any knowledge of their names

A. No.

Ao Would all see men lead the pFis no re Int the cremat rium, and then we were ordered

by the Capo to go down into the cellar and would be relea ed again after the shooting

up from the caller, we would see the

the cremat, rium.

had led Int. the crematorium A. After the executiens, only 33 would leave the cre-

matorum through various doors

Ur. DEMSCHAR before theexecuti ne, you would see the S bring prieoners into the

crenatorium yard io that correct'. is correct

would take you int the cellar? A

Shortly after you were put in the cellar, would you bear shots’ A. Too, I did

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Then, after the executions, when you saw the 33 leave the orematoriun, "re these

.________ —... .L.. ... ...... ,h.. haa hr naht t. the crematorius? A. I

Arter the ss man lert, woula you go to the place that nas generally used for

executias? A

That would you find? A. find fresh soil strown on the blood

but the bodies had already been moved to the room next to the ovens.

Who would take the bodies free the place where the executions took place to the

cromatorlum?A.There were always two German prisoners especially dotal ed in the crama-

torium to take up these bodies and remove them next to the erematorium

There

was still

was it you saw one of the 12 rinoners you saw "h° ware "cu-"‘ “

alve? A. All these bodies were in the same room next to theovns.

.. 1 ah w you Exhibit "B", and will ask you to stats what that shows This

picture roprerents the room with the bodies as it looks today 1: the new crematorium

I understand it, there are two large rooms whichhtjoin the furnaces or ovens

The

side, is th t correct. A. That is correct.

two rooms that adjoin the ovens, are they usually fu l of dead bodies, or

partly filled with dead bodies. loft r c wes filled wit' bodies

or three days before the Americans cate to the camp, the bodies were laoed in

ths other room.

.that became of those bodies 11 these bodies would be burned until we ran

out f fuel.

Are you ositive that ne of th ee 12 er one was alive after the oxecut1 as

and when you saw his body in one or these rooms adjoining the ovens" A•

positive, bocause hews gasping heavily for four ho rs.

Did you re ort the fact that ns of the 12 was not dead? *• 1 did.

. Do you renenbor an incident that hap ened the day after the exect 5 the12 man that you have just testified about? A. Yen, I do •

. . Isa so tell us abut th it.

A. They br ught in 14 badtes, and al 14 had died of poisoning by injectlon.

cremated these 14 bodies during the The next day I noticed 16 bodies, as of

which was s woman. ionshad died through shooting, and some by hanzire ‘ couldn't

see which meth as of death was used an these individual bodies. I Couldn't seo bow

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A. (Cont’d) maw were dead by sh oting, hanging, etc., for the simple reason that

the bodtes wore covered with rage. The .woman ms hung, and the body was seen on the

gallows by a personal friend of mine who worked with me in the crematorium daily. Ne

did not perform the actual cremation of these last named bodies.

Q. How many bodies can one of these ovena hold? A. About seven to nine bodies per

oven.

q. How long a time is required to burn an oven full of bodies, say from seven to

P nine? A. Three hours.

I 4. How many ovena are there in the entire camp of lachau? A. I know of six ovens

In the camp. There are four ovens in thehew crematorum and two in the old one.

4. is there a gas-chamber in the tachau Coacentration Canp? 1. Yes, there is one

in the crematorium.

Q. I show you exhibit "C", art ask you what that is? A. This is a picture of the

gas-chamber.

4. Is tat the gao-chamber at the Dachau Camp in the crematorium ab ut vhich you

have just testified? A. Too, that is correct.

Q. hat is that word ver the door; A. The word over the door is "Brauaebad",

whic means "Shower-Bath".

. Did you ever see any Gernan Soldier e go into the gas-chamber shown n Exhibit "C" •

A. Tee, 1 did .

4. Did these Terman soldiers go in there with their gaz-asks • A. I saw erman

soldi rs go in their with their gas-masks.

. You never saw any ne executed or bit ght Into the Gas-Chazber? A. Yes. That

is correct. I never saw that.

. Doctor, at the time that y u worked there in the crematorivm, have you had oc-

casi n to put a large number of bodies in the ovens? A. Ies, I did.

... hat would you say an to the bodies of prisoners who had been executed, an "hom

you put in the furcaco--wore they heavy, fat, bodice, r were they thin bodies’.

A. They were very ekinny.YOU

. ere the ovens kept going all Vie time both night and day "hen/had fuel'. A.

I1 lp until Parch 1945 the old does were in » eration 24 hurs a day.

.. hat hap enaa in Harch, when they were notin operation 24 hours per day? h.

After Parch 1945 we nly burned bod’es that died due to p is ninE» shootine, or

U

The Id eromatorum has not boen used

How many men worked at the ovens at one

the ovens

is where they buried the bodies that died at

Dachau after Harch 1945? X d

Do you have anything more that you Ceel ught bo go int thie official record?

Mo, I have nothing further to add.

de worked wiV 10 men on all

(Cont’d) hanging. All other bodies would be Uken out

S20S5EXAMINATLNBICAPTAINGIDSL.TALXIER:Q. Ahy were you arrested by the Italian

underground movemont by giving then food

Nhy didn't you

simple reasn that

Sid all of the

authorities? A

and clothing

and buried in the

Because I mup orted the

go and pick

Ahy did

work during the first six months here in Dachau? A Fer the

I came into this camp with paoriasis, and therefore

men, that were in this com sound, nut work either? A

details

the non

because the nan

the latrines during

how

Did

Did

didn't have

Chey would

have to sleep In the latrines during the day in tret block?

had no room and were hungry end weak

mnany men lived in your room in Block 257 Between.400 to 450 men

a grent many from lock 25 work la Alaace? A. Ies, they did

Vou rotest against being forced to work in the crematorium? A, No,

wasn't allowed.

ould a protent de any oodT A. I would not dare to protest because I would

be shot on the spot

■ ere the people that you placed into the ovens always dead'

9

Testimony was adjoined 1200 hours,5 May 1945.

ATTESTLD:LUDNC DEMSCHAR

DVID CHAV-Z, Jr.,Col. JAGD, Interrogator-Examiner.

X certify that the abve testimony was translated to the witnese in his ou languaze, prlor to his signature which appears above.

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29t

al

tosttmony or maKTIsEx oTVETAK taken at Dachau, Oermany, 1515 hours, 17 ““ 19"5 T.« J zz a A ra 32 115 61 WIT 6823, aTcU3a (3. A. ection) Ar 887• 10 . .. Invusttgator xamdner as • ro porter and was mworn by “

the

you

He kicked

brought me to a hospital

•aid, that

on this detall war* killed. Killed by being beaten over th* head and, arterwara

laid in th* water behind some sandhil. If he was n t dead, when tin, +,

that I lived

me to this working place. A* had to go 23 kilometers to the working lac*,

weak to work, so they kicked me, and laid me behind a sanchl to let m ai.

the Eun but tore of y right thumb. Thon he ut the gun directly on ny cheat, and

•hot. I have the scar rieht over my left chest, right eout at the lieart. Th* bullet

caze out in the beck and your photographer har just taken pictures or where the bullet

H4106

the

hl

on

About how old

each other in

to ye

this

Abcut

froa? X

punishment detail

killed or did h

He wes killed in the evening

a result of thia punshnent?

almost finished, they took off the wheel, kicked him in the direction

e every guard had an order to shoot a

hat 35 personnel were present when

of the 53 men did

riend of uine

Kommandant, but the

A. I don't

but, when the body was bro ght away, the -

fuhrer

of a guard, and

prisoner if the

present. I dn’t know any othe

b at t

Two days later they killed a Jewish N

R froa Rakovnik, Czechoslovakia

ZILL

laced around your neck?

ne 8

This

given in additlon to the regular food

was, of course, that we ad to da very heavy

work, with insufficient nourishnent They chose special German crininals for th- ne

blocks

For

the priests

August 194*0, when

Tell us about

placed n a dirt hill over the ceaspo 1 and then kicked byanss guard so that he

fit for work

did

About how far is

500

within the

mentfon

emitted t

end by the

Is that about the st cry? A

a murderer too:

Kestimony adj urned 1615 he .re 17 Hlay 1945

Col.

•3§

not receive ths Brotzeit, The result

rations. Although we priests worked, we did

malarla treatment and phlegmone treatments they ehae especially on from

that incident? A, A Jewish owner of a factory named MAIL was

He was Bloc master in luck 15, and he was one of t e killers

this happen? A. lere neer Foundry

mentioned, before, H MI, died after a tre tment for Mlarla, and beating after-

backwards Into the coasp ol. Later on, they took him out and hanged him near the

block. Most of those priest" died by phlegrone. ne or the first who died

death charber. The nly reason f r treating his like this, ms, that this nan was un-

*1 certCy that the above testmony was trana lated to tie witness in his wn languare, rior

in which the inhabitants were priests as Block personnel. Cne of those priests

A, (Coat'd) generally with a slice of sausage or a porti n of margarene. This was

Czech priest by the namne of ZAMLCNLK

rezember an occasion onset 1m ago between the 24th and 27th of

a ris er was 1cked by a guard into a latrine cesspool?

this founcry from the building where we are holding this hearing?

from here

Frison Camp?confine N of the Dachnu I wouldit is

that, at Dachau Prson Camp there were killings daily Howev r

thehamesto each other very much, and I could not give

killed They were usually Killed by Block personnel, who were

I re ember especially ne prisoner by the name of Capoguards.

be camp named KAP who was

/ANTISAK STV.MAK

also like

•Em

Pather FREDERICK

39

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the Off

Father I note that the entry er list on the upper left band corn r of Exhibit

•HOFFANH-2" is entitled "A/Entlssungen". Please Interpret that word us? A

word "A/Sntlassungen" means "Aeleaned".

c. Does the entry on the upper left hand corner of Exhibit "HOFFMAM-2" show that

the years 194 to 1945 a total of 288 priests were released from the Dachau

Camp? A

Father, I note on the upper right hand corner of Exhibit "HOFFNANN-2" the following

words "B/Todesfalle". Please interpret th t word'. "Todesfalle" means

foes ths colunn or entry under both these show that, from the years 1940 to 1945

a total of 604 priesta clod at the Prison Camp at Dachau?

Kindly note the column on the lower left hand corner of exhibit "HOFTMANi-2", whichs

entitled"e/Uberstellungen in andere Konz.-Lager u.zur Gestapo-Sollen". Please interpret

those words. These words mean "Transfers to other Concentration Camps, and ta the

0 stations."

kt

that

lumn or. the

4

centration Camps or t

y look

entitled "D/Von

interpret these

Please toll

ehowe?

lower left hand corner of Exhibit"HOFFMAN-2" show?

f 1940 to 1945, 526 priests have been either sent te

ther Geetapo stati~E

at the cslunn at ths lower right hand side of exhibit "HorrMAN-Z

den Uberstellungen wind mit Invalidentransporten gegangen:

These words mean "Transported on Invalid Transport*

us wh at

In Colurn

on the lower right hand corner of Lxhibit "EOF MAN-

it sb. ws that 324 priests have been sent

the so-callod invalid transports

Column "D", Exhibit "H a Deutsch

means

at." meansAnd that the word "Versch

hat does the word Gesaat

What was the source of th res listed on Sxhibi

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which I have with me.

"H FFMANN-2"7 A. IesIs that your sign nture in your own handwriting on xhibit

Are the figures listed on Jthibit "HOPFMANIN -2" correct?

total of 32k prieste were sent

and have been cut to death

Certain that all this meansie are certain of thatChy do you say that?

nalities we have received news

Dnchau

death? A

Do you

injected wltl poison and killed

(5511By whoa

Narch 1945?ISKI’s handwriting above the dateis that

what was the cause of the death of the 604 priests who died at thelather

amp from 1940 to 1945?

ughthjeeted.

epidemic illnesses papal

case a

er

f thisuencen

treat ent.

h

th by ar

f April 1942.n

on invalid Transports--mhat do you nean? A

know how these prisoners wh go on these invalid transports are put te

death? A for certain, but it comnon kncwledge that in general tney

nt in the hospital

who was so badly hit

of the Tachau -ager

were sent into some other lagers, and sent to the Cas Chambers

3 SKI beaten to death'

URI. Others died

was Exhibit "HOTFMAAN-2" prepared’ A. By myself and

tat, when prisoners leave or are transported on a socalled invalid trans

m their families announcing their death

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i unodn A. 19». Cr th. 2ath »t March 1942,

„r taxan to 3. axamncd and, going through th.

3

I know

Yes, I saw aKISS when X arrived in this

tell you that in August, 1942, a very old priest, 67 years of age, became very weak and

Father

say Mass at

a Polish Bishop KOZAL tried to obtain permission to My Holy Mass for themeber 1941

he Polish priests ever pemitted to say Mass at

mm to the rison in 1940 to the end of 1944, the Polish

urs on 18 May 1945

i at 0900 hours on 19 May 1945.Testime

SAICK HFFMANNThe wit

M

contains the names of 622 people.Had me a list whichFather HUFFMANN

Exhibit "HOFFM NN-3", and I willwhich M

tify that Instruask you if ya

marked in evidence)

s have been brcught to Dachau from 1940

What month in 1944 were the Poles permitted to say Mass?

and if found, the priests were severely punished

to what it is? (Exhibit K FFANN-3

Q. Did you know WEITER? A. I have seen him, but I don't know much about him

do you recall an incident with a priest, who tried to obtain permission to

This list was made b

Dachau? A. From the time I

Towards the end of 1944

ZIM/RMAN, hit him repeatedly with his fist on the head, and

Q. Is there ary other matter that you would like to tell us? A

feeble, and he was sent to the hospital. Fe went into the hospital, and

tly forbidden to have any prayer books or anything written at all on religious subjects,

were all reminded that they were still under oath

GATOL_ExMINa, COL. DAVID CHAVEz, Jr.t

Christmas time at the Dachau Prison Camp? A.

Polish Priests. This permission was denied. Under the reign of HOFFM

the interpreter, FREDLAICK A. A. BLNTI, and the re-

Was he the last Lager Kommandant? A. Yes.

cnOSS EXAMINATLON BY CAPTAIN CLYDE L. WALKER.

H

H41 06 -0084

(Coni* 4) up to th* present dete

Nxhibit "HOFFMANN-"T A- too.

O A- the , containea axhtbit waornaam-3" * correct

have died at thebdchau Concentreti' n CamP»

sonal records w ich 7 V kept oil -he" -53" •• "q. father, you tala us the other day that you kept an exhaustive sororandu of .frah— f,f nt. within the achau Prison am? because yoc intend to write a b rok on the

C’ndtttora that existed at tachau. I told youI would 30

f the Judge AdvocateGeneral in the Nar Department In ashineton, and - “ 8"- "°

address of tho Judge Aavocate Oeceral, and mekas tbe request tat write a , ok on the eonazu ne that oxtst at the achau Frison

Camp, send a copy of that book to the Judge dvocate General M. -ranch

C.T h

'a^M^ >ny adjourned 093 ■ hours, 19 May 1945•

TLBTBBB.DMICK HOFFMAN

DAVID CHAV5Z, Jr • Col. JAGD

wa. translated t the wit ... M own language, prior to hi. sien which appears above.

Taetimony of tudwda sehecher, takes at nemu, Oerruny, t 0700 h«- on 10 “ 25*

Tee | j tandy. Kq 6th Arny Op, appeared before the investigator- xiner as “

porter and was csorn by his in the following form "You swear that you will faith-

fully perorm the duties of re porter in thie inventigation now being conducted by me.

co help ypu God."

Erwin Boesch, Hq Seventh Army appeared

Investigator-xainor in the following Torm ou swear that you will truly inter-

pret in this investigation now being

vr. Luduig Schecher appeared before

zonducted by me, so help you

lr. Schecher do you understand the meoning of an oath? A

lease stand up, Y ou, 1 udwig Se hec her,

swear that the evidence you shall give In this Invo stigation now being conctuctod by

shall be the truth, the whole truth, BO help you God?

I doMat is your full nane and a dress? A. Ludwig lari Schecher; my address wll be

unich, Germany, and the exact street address will ilable h the recorde

at the Cty Hall 1 wars of ageA

iid you do in civilian life?

ow long E Law?

Id you take your formal education? I took my formnl education at the

ty of Munich and received ay octorate from the university of "urzbure

id you take any additional formal education.' No, I served a legal appren-

ticeship upon graduation for three years in various corporations and other attorteys

offices after which I entered practice for myself.

Q. Why were you pickod up by the Germans and sent to a concentration camp

picked up by the Ger an Nazi arty for alleged activity in the Pfal” Distrhet in

Germany. I was the legal unsel for a labor union in this district since 1925 until

d up in

Q. wnere were you taken'

1935.

. After ray arrest I came to Dachau, November 1935.

I was transferred to K.L Plosaenburg on 30 September 1939.

turned to Dachau and nave ramnined here Until this date

1

0085

. what has been your job while at Dachau? A. My duties at tnin enmp consinted

or tne tollowing: a laborer on conatruction work; • helpor in the laundryi a clork

in the orracu; a utock clerk in the warenouse and lastly a eupervieor in the seneral

repair shop.

. .Since you have performed all of these serious tasks you mast have had an oppor­

tunity to see a great many things that wore carried on st Camp achau A Ten, id

q. Take the year 1936 as mi example, what type of boatings or mistrentaent were

given out to the prisoners at Dachau? A. I remenber a particular incident durins

the week of Good Priday in 1934. At this particular incident they node all the

prisoners line up in formation around a block. Behind this block 8 men would be

lined up. They took those prisoners to be unished, strapped them on the block one•r a tine and cm of the soup of SS nen would hit this prisoner 25 times *

stick or cane. After the S3 finished with this procedure they moved the whole U-

shaped mas of risonars sldewards to where about 5 or 6 trees were standing. Then

they took other prisoners to be punsihed, tied their hands behind their backs and

suspended them from the branches of the trees. This was done by tying one end of a

rope to the brand of the tree and one end to the wrists whereby the prisoner was left

hanging, unable to touch the ground. This procedure would usually take place around

1100 a.m. so that ovary prisoner who missed this act had a chance to see the men hane-

ing while they went to mess.

a. here thero any prisoners taken out of this u-shaped mass that were used as the

persons to be punished. A. Too. The second beatings and hangings were inflicted

Qpon prteoners roviously chonen. However, if any prisoner was not eying strict

attention or was found smoking in ranks during the time the S3 were administering

their beatings, such an unfortunate prisoner was added to this list and was runished

Asmaddately upon the mpot./A few day prior to tide execution of cruelties to "

soners, a comander LITnad been put in charge of the carp. n this day of run-

ishument or the prinoners after everybody was assenbled as witnesses, W IT Eave us a speech telling usthat now he is going to show us who 1« in Charge and the =ethods th t will be amployed for any unruly characters.

' . Ice long ua this mat od of suntehnamt exist? A. The Method of hanging otopped in Soptonbor 1913 at the order or Comenander IM. The strap, ing on the wooden blck

seemed to die out by itself near the end of 194.

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H4106 -0086

A. The demand mas very strict usually endng up in chicanery as far as inepection

of mess gear and tooth brushes, for exaaple, finding a tiny Bpeck of tooth pouder

or tooth paste or finding tooth brushes that showed signe of usage and many other

minor details would always lead to punketment: If the area of a -ockor did not

plonse the block leader he would send in a report and the result was that the of-

fender was punished by being hung by his wrist on a tree for usually an hour or two.

Q. Md the fllure to comply vith the S5 standards often bring you cruel and unus al

punishment? A, Tes, for exanple, a slight mioallgnpent of beds in the rooms would

be punished at night ftsr working houre in the following manner - every prisoner be-

longing to that block had to go through various exercises such aa duck walk, rolling

pin the mud and bouneina on his knees in an irregular posiMdon-

Q. I now turn your attention to the first Sunday in October of ths yer 1944. What

if anything happend on that day that makes it so outstanding in your memory?

A. The shooting of Russian risoners.

. In what manner was thia shooting accomplished? A. Those Hussian prinoners wore

lined up and had a roll call at the gate of the compound and some of then were divided

into three groups each comprising about 30 men. The first group lead by Oberstur- fuhrer G onaK wexrzpius about 30 ss men armed with pistols and machine dstols ould

march orr in the direction of the erematorium. Shortly afterwards a volley of shots

wore heard and right after that a few single snots were heard. After about one half

hour later the ss guards would return and march off with the next bunch of about 30

men. This procedure was repeated with the third group which was led by Hauptschar-) V" fuhrer BO STTCHSR.

Q. Did nnything unusual happen to persons who wore Soman veterans from orld War

I ? A. Yes, I remenber in the beginning of 1941 when one of these so-called trans­

ports left for either Lins or Maudhausen. Two of ay friends wore taken on that

Invalid Transport. Later on they were gassed and death notification sent out to

thoir relatives that they died of lung dieorders. It is cormon knowledge amongst

all prisoners here in Dachau that men who mere sent on trie Invalid rans port to edner

Lina or Maudhausen clod of lung dsorders. Such lung isorder could only be caused

by gassing. All these men prisoners left Dachau as strong healthy men and could

never had died from any material lung disorder.

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a. T hand you an exhibit marked 1-7 and ak you who that person *• Tha U

bereturmbannrunrer IrMn eivuan elothes with his wife. Frau "aITEA. In this

photograph he does not have a hat on and it shows his bald head.a. I hand you an exhibit Bieber A and ask you if you know that pernon? A. Yea,

that is Gberoturbannfuhrer •TER nhowing Ma in the xarren 3s uni for a with steel

I hand you an exnibit marked Bieber 12 and ask you to identi ty ang persons in

that yiture that you know. The only one that I knon is Obersturmbannfuhrer

TER who ia the one wearing the garrison cap of the Naffen SS• He is in the ce ter

of the grdup of three officers, me officer who is Pointing la an Oberfuhrer but

I do not know who

and you an

EKese indivi iunls

exhibit marked Bieber 3 you ean identify any of

gdaturod there? A. mat is a picture of Obersturnfuhrer IT

, « review of his troope as he is in the sane unirorm and headgar

as his enlisted men. The Ober fuhrer is the game one as in exhibit Beber #2

cognise one other man in the photograph and be is Rapportfuhrer BO (TTCIER who is in

the left side of the picture givlng the Hitler

2. I hand you an exhibit marked Beber 44 and

the officers ictured there? The only one

salute.

ask you if you can identify any of

that I know is MITER who is second

from the left and the only one who 1z bald He is in the act of eating

iece of bread with his left hand,

. I hand you an exhibit marked Bieber 15 and ask you to identify any ersono in

that photograput A. I recocnize tno of them. Oberaturzpannfuhrer "ITa who ie

L and -.e Hi l 1 -2 who is gecona from the right, wuacx n wearsthe insignia of Korpsfuhrer.

I hand you an inatruument prevloualy marked ns Bieber 16 and nsk you ar you ean

his last name - RITA ITZsve it was Sturmfuhrer -

it was"hangman. what is the nickname given his by the prisoners;

. Do you know his rank? A. I beli

Ane rather than by his official rank

nen did you say he had hung? *. -t l® har- •0 '

, hangings urng Ms stay at pacr.au. I would say

identify the person shown on that exhdbit. A

q. How many hangings ana ut ITZ p-rfori while yona were here at Paenau? A T

•as he who officially porrormna all of the public hangings frac the oca.fold as

yrponer--- 8

Q. you rocate tor the racord ot the lagertuhrers An order «vins "he " ___ . ... . ,, ,h. wow. ana typee or punishmnonts that the-

allowed to be Perforwad during thair regimes • An

comman ior by the name of Oberfuhrer r"ho cane hore a little before 1936.

» t. •• . wur rellow >»•«»• under Nis orders sucoro and cicretteswere handed out.

waananot belave in cnpital punishment or any other mdetreat

Mt ana M. during nis stay as commander 1 have 1 ioonerM suppocca 25 M. he stopped after 17 because at hurt “• "ore th

", H. aneposcossed from the “ and Ne poaition for being Yo ““with the prisoners. He

had been a policeman

Nazi Party well in that

otions intheSS ranks

rocedure on trees .

was succeeded in narch 1936 by Corander VoeIT who formn

in the city of tugsburg. I understand tnat he serve-! the

capacity. He was material in atane the riee of the "ozi

in Germany especially in Augsburg which gained for hi« pr -

He continued the Inehinge again and also started the hang-

He was very strict and also in his tine, prisoners would

be chained by the wrists and feet for any “iBor ofretbe

the -oner would have to remnin in this Condit

f the offense was

lying on his stomach

oure and hours and many

Ames for days. For sm 11 offense punichmen»• in this fashton "ere ~Md " wndng, „amnny ataruang nt 700 nours and enaang at 1400 hours. mhe main ”r obe

needed on the

ould

them back and

prisoner on Sunday as LonITZ said hmeeir w that "ver

lob curing the week. Under his coamand the two SS men en- and

ang up prisoners during interrogation and also beat the. or swing

ore. ma. nanangs were almayb done in tne follomina tnner- . _ woulc be tied behind his back and a rope attached to

risoner had to mount * 2 he rope was tightened. ither one

a IM. two ss mon would dck the stool out f”* beneath the prisoner- Prior’ood hac

in a concentration camy took over all co

disco and watery soup substituted.

okingor solid food was -ut

on Sundays only he gave an

Lager compelling every prisoner to remove

or any piece of furniture out into the open.bunks or any 0

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complote liberty to all the Schutzharfuhrera and Rapportfuhrers. Under his orders

hooks and chains were inatalled inside the shower room for the purpose of hanging

in rotation. All those hangings were per-

forned due to minor infractons These hooke are still present today in the

removed 24 January 1939, one nan ha

escaped while working on an outside commando. For this the whole camp had to stand

at attention from 6100 p.m in the evening until 6:00 p.m. the following evening with

uring the right the

Sone of the men died during the night and many more died in

following days due to inflaumatlon of the lunge caused by the exposure in the

extrene cold without any covering or protection. nly ton on details including th'

cooks in the kitchen were relieved from this punishment in order to go about their J

business. In Hay 1939 we also stood out in the open from 6100 until 11:00 th

*following morning. ue to the fact that it had

round 5:00 a. a loth emiseed

the norning ead of 6:00 If any er died

se his body had to be brought in the

file on the ground for the sole purpose of

answering in roll call kod up by a spec detail around 1000 or

turmbnnnfuhrer

taken store

egt enber 1942 upon as on

His successor was Ober-

of

am and inquired the meaning of the chains hanging

a the Mill Chains removed immediately

conduct all interrogations ofe

woul be han prely gave out

a lohg of time

lso

rtur

esta ent

to lace

resent nes

at in t

le risoners in one of t

-0090

and RUVPST wre classified as War Criminals fornussian radio station that

from the rank® of th® arm

Re was very reasonable withpurser, took charge of the concentration lager hero

ss street. In 1942 Commander SDUARD T ITO, who mm

gassing and murdering comnitted in the concentration camp at Laublin. * returned

here in the winter of 1941 with the utl of Special Comaind oner for all Jo-eh

campo in outhern Oermany ana est blishod his homo right here at Dacnau in the

only work would be performed which ha. to be done without aneanev”* "0U - 7°“ ’

l Ur in 1940 this stopped, aU interviews would be conduated by voxeone elee

and all the aartarent les Ure within tne compound once ngain kept control, -etins

out *11 sorts of pundshnente and erueltieo with one exoeption - hanging- in 1939

prLor to the time that aarss actually had arrived hare in Dachau, we heard over a

the prisoners; he did not tolerate beatings either by fint or club but whenever

present and any prisoner would be beaten in any other way he would turn his hend but ) would never do anything to stop the beatings - yet he know they were going on.

ITER never Htd in any way personally run the Loger as far as I knee because it

that hl® 2 stooges - t Tar and Trcuca - had all the •atara comzonly

grated to a aomnunding oflicer. hen rumors started about U. . Troope coming in

ti.ls direction all punishment seamed bozehow to cease even frem the lowest leaderb.

They . ould isk for everyt: ip& in a nice way and never ■ore used those old well-

known SS tactics re once took part in th® shooting of nine men and one woman

of Russian descent about four or five days before liberation. He never visited the

Living quartaro or streets or the prisoners. There tas a conference with RUPP RT

and BO STTCI 1a when ISS was here in

to do with the prisoners if the

achau as Cpacial Coumiscloner to detemd.no

Anericans cane. I*^ who held the confer-

ence teletyped Berlin and received a reply sianed by IINRICHMLTLR on 1 April

1945 to the effect that they were to out evacuntion with liquidation.

like to state that in June 1944 a trane ort

SCO ; riaoners were dead upon arrival and I

soners to the are atoriun. hile handlng

of risoners came in from rar.ee. bout

have witnessed the removal of tbese prl-

tne bodies, arm®, legs and heads would

just break off due i the state of decomcpoaition of the bodies caused b‘ She terit fic heat at that line.

byCaptain LY C ross- xaminer

I band you a dila or papers known as xhibt checher fl and aek you to state

generally what is in that fila it contains th* docu ents of th® different

ppointaonts as an officer in the ss and also information eoncerring the income

as an officer in the Resorve.

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uptsturmfuhrer

auncil

eichfuhrer SSage 10

him

of Captain to

111 be discontinued

ixecutive Officer in yunich

n « iorim egeteereeoQ. Page 157 A, This represente • peruonal eongratulation from • friend on ncoount

of hie promotion to the r unk of Major in the Reuerve Corps.

Q. Page 16? A, mis is a compiltion showing the amount he will receive as un-

employment compans tion in the Tolice Force with the rank of Major.

G. Page 17? A. This represents a change of income on account of his entrance into

the SS as Hauptsturmfuhrer.

Q. Page 18? A, This representa a request concerning his income as a member of

the ss

Q. Page 19? A, Tages 19 and 20 represente a request for different montes to be

deposited in his account in Nurenberg, Gerany.

Q. -age 217 A. This represents a certificate for his nomination as a Major of the

County Police.

Page 227 A, This is an authorisation to wear the County Police uniform.

I. Page 237 A. Instructions about wearing the uniform after leering the olce

Force.

Page 247 A, Represente a confirmation from the Reichs and Prusoian Finistry

of the Interior about his ap ilea tier for his discharge from the Police Force.

A. Page 25? A. This is a certificate whereas DC* RD HEITER is being relieved

free ids job in the Police Force.

Q. Page 26? A. This represents a confirzation of application nade by DUARD TETTER

for his dismiasal from the Polico Force.

Q. Page 27 A. This represents an order to turn over his receipts to a Berlin

orHice..

. Page 28? A. This represents anorder from Berlin stating that Captain EDUAAD

MKITER is under the jurisdiction of the County "olios and will be paid by that

agency.

Q. Pagg 29? A. This represents a copy of a certificate of citizenship of Assistant

Purser ROUAHO HITe and his wife 112ABET nee SCHHARTZ in the State of Bavaria,

Germany as of 10 January 1919. we iding ;

» age 30? A. This is a copy of said/certificate of RDU RD ITCH to his wife

LIZA! STH nee SCHARTZ dated 16 January 1936.

q. Woula you like to state anything rare for this official record? A. Mo, I c uld

recite many beatings and cruel and inhuman punishments inflicted upon the prisoners

over a great length of tine. I will recite only 2 or 3 of the many incidents I re­

call. 1. They would make the prisoners undrese and crawl through trees and bushes.

This was usually done by young SS guards for their own aruusement. t. lhey would

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have the prisoners undress and lay with their back. on a ant hill, allowne the mts

._____.., Bake two prisonera hold hands with a swell tree Ins de

befor. an n guard, the guard would mt " • tde butt o "n*both non would be either complotely injured or faint from exhaustion.

Tostimony adjourned at 1200 hours at 10 May 1945.

Ludwig

ST:

Colonel, J.A.0.D.Inve stiga tor- xaminer

I certify that the above testimony

was translated to the witness in

his own language, prior to his

signature, which appears above.

sHIBIT ? rostmony of ADOLP SCHAFRANZK, taken at Dacha, Germany, at 0900 hours on 16 May 1945

Tac 5 jam* Lundy, 32355293, Hg 6th Army Op, appeared as a reporter and wan owor

by him in the following form: "You swear that you will faithfully parfora the du- ties of reporter in this investigation now being conducted by mo, so help you Cod." Pvt Erwin Boesch, 12051817, Hq Seventh Army, appeared as an interprter and was sworn

by the Invostigator-Examiner in the following form: "You swear that you will truly

interpret in this investigation now being conducted by me, so help you God." Mr. ADOLF SCHAPRAMEK appeared before the investigator-Examiner and testified as

follows s

Q. That is your name? A. WOLF SCHAFRANEK.

6. How old are you? A, Today, 1 am fifty-four years of age.

Q. Where is your home? A. In Schulgasse #18, Eger, Szechoslovakdia.

Q. Is this your permanent address? A. Yes.

. Do you understand the meaning of an oath? A. We are investigating the atroci­

ties commited against all nationalities here at Camp Dachau. Are you willing to

take an oath and testify as to what you have seen and endured at Camp Dachau? A. Yes 1. Please stand up, raise your right hand, and be sworn. "Do you, ADOLF SCHAFRANEK, swear that the evidence you shall give in this investigation nor being conducted by

me, shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you Cod?"

A. I do. - 3

Q. Why were you picked up by the Germans? A. For communistic activities in my :

am. dome towns

.. mhen? A. On 6 December 1938.

Q. when did you .Coras to Camp Dachau? A. On 24 December 1938. I have been here

ever since with the exception of nine months spent with the punishment company at

Camp Matthausen.

. I direct our attention to the year 1938. Was there any unusual occurrence

regarding the treatinent • of men in this camp? A. In 1938, Hauptscharfuhrer MUDE

while supervising the construction of a garage took about twelve Jewish prisoners

and had them buried under gravel in the standing up position, leaving only their

heads exposed. I then saw him step back and throw stones and rocks at them until

the men were dead.

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Q• I direct your attention to April of this year and ask you whether or not there

is any unusual occurrence on that date? A, Yes. A French officer was reportedly

burned alive in the crematorum. That happened on April 24th. A fellow prisoner

by the name of FRANZ GEIGER told me that this French officer was brought in to the the

yard of the crematorium on a stretcher from the hospital and the chief of/crema-

torlum drew his pistol and fired at the man point blank. This French officer was

wounded and still groaning. This chief of the crematorium would not consent to the

removal of the prisoner's clothing, merely taking the valuables. He was then taken

inside of the crematorium and placed into the furnace alive and moving. There is

another fellow prisoner by the name of COBERTZ who at that time worked on this

crematorium detail and can still be found within the compound.

I direct your attention to a Bionday morning, about 9:00 o'clock on 4 September

1944 and ask you what you know, if anything, of an occurrence at that time and date?

A. On that particular Monday morning, 4 September 1944, I was standing at the main

gate of the compound when ninety-two Russian prisoners were lined up, divided into

three groups, and each group was Sced into different directions looking away from

each other. The 35 men, RUPPIT and BOETTCHER, enjoyed themselves by calling these

Russian officers names and hitting them with their fists. These men were then taken

away one group at a time and I watched them disappear through the door of the outer

fence of the crematorium. Shortly afterwards, I heard small salvos of pistol shots.

The last group was led by BOETTCHER himself. I do not know who actually partook or

the shooting of these prisoners but I do recall that only a few men were shot at the

Vine due to the limited amount of firing hoard. During this execution or shooting

of these Russian prisoners, every prisoner within the compound had to line up on

the parade ground and stand at attention under the eyes of the 35 guards to prevent

any possible riot within the compound. Out of my own interest and for any possible

future use against these brutalities, and murderers, I spoke to another prisoner

friend of mine in charge of the disinfection room and had him call for the clothing

of those Russian prisoners on the following morning. Upon examination of all of

this clothing, we found that all markings as to number, race and classification

patch had been previously removed overnight by someone unknown to me inside the

crematorium. The total count of these suits was ninety-two.

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Since you arrived at Dachau what happened to you A- "hen 1 arrived “ ea. camp I was paacod an the burker flet away and regained tar for .lx and a half

ontn.. Ater being in my bunker for a tele than on. hour I wm iven • for

pontal card with thia iaessago: "After 1 have roceived * fe" .?uniahm«ta I " only writ. one. every three month. or receive only on. letter." I had to address and

thia card to b. mailed out to my relative..

Q. when you were taken from the bunker where were you next anadcnod in Cap Pachat” A. I w, „hacca in th. puntehmant company and remains in it for about six to sevenmonths .

Q. During th. time that you were in th. punishmnent company what kind of wort did you

do? A. I worked mainly on the constraction of the garage her., mixing cemem, but

moet of the time I epent outside of camp in th. gravel pit.

qgyjow 1ong aa you fematin in the pundshment company? A. Between six and s"ven months.q. Where were you then aa.igned in Dachau' A. Since I was taken from the pondohzent company, I was put in Block #21 and have remained in one of thene blocks ever since.

3. koro you nanged by the wrist.; A. Yes. During my time sorved in the purdshsunt company beeau.. tMy fo^d an un^mckwi eigarwtt. in wy pocket the 33 guards asked

mo whether or not that was my ckgarette and ar l antonded to amok, it or .ave it.

m were only allowed to carry a hanakerohdet • The ss suard "e in the f“e andtook me to the rear of the bunker, chained my wrist, behind my back and hanged me up

on one of the tree.. After being hangod ther• for about one hour and a quarter, I "

taken off the rope and somshow had U pull my legs through ay chained arms and then

rezvoa the chain, ayasir by stoppang on th. ond of them sdtn • ft and pullins "

.R. out. I injured my nends and welsto very badly due to the taentnens of th.

chain, and the following norndne they were so badly inlamed that th.y took • to the

aoctor. This doctor did not even bother to even look at my hands. All I did "S to

bend down in front of him, esroad my cheek, and he told me that my piles do not bother

ma. That doctor told me I wais perfectly healthy and fit for duty.

.. gn, A I was punished Tactically every day, so often3. Were you over punished agnt A* * "“D PI •7

tnat I tnougt it were an every day ooguttenoo. a— the Mne tnat1 have beon here I hm wtnessea b..U»g., hangingo and other forms of punishment civen to un pri-soners by the SS.

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C. I want to get the daily routine as you knew it and an it existed at Camp Dachau

when you were in the punishment company? A. At 4100 o’slock in the morning, the

S3 guards would blow a siren. The block eldest was required, under penalty of being

thrown in solitary himselr, to get the others in the block up. After arising, our

beds had to be made up An a military manner and we would have to wash up and line

up outside the block at 4:30 a.m. sharp, with

allowed to enter any of our quarters with our

our shoes in hand.

■hoes on. We would receive

outside and return the cups. We left at 4:30 for the parade ground where

Hn, up, 100 at a time, and roll call would be held. We would then march

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our coffee

we had to

off for our

work detail starting' to work at 5130 a.m. At 9:00 a.m. a whistle was blow. We would

all stop work and line up for another roll call and then continue working again until

12:00. Then we would line up again in formation and double time either from the gravel

pit or the site of the garage back to our barracks, where’ we were served our noon

nometimes consisting of soup or thin rice with water, or beans. We would fall

in formation at 12:45 and march off again to the parade grounds where once more we

were divided into groups of 100 man. Ne would immediately start off double timing be

to our respective place of work, which would/about 1:00 o’clock p.m., and we would work

continuously until 6:30 p.m. After that would clean and store all our tools, double

time back to the parade giound inside the compound and have another roll call at

7:00 p.m. This last roll call usually would take around forty-five minutes. Then we went back to our barracks, taking off our shoes while going into the building and have

supper at 8:00 p.m. ifter 8:00 P.m, our time was our ow•Q. I now want you to recite for the record the daily routine of the prisoners in the

barracks other than in the punishment company, and in the hospital, in other words the

daily routine of the ordinary risoner. A. We were awakened at 4:30 a.m. de had to

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dress in five minutes and were assembled outside on the block street in rows of ten.

From that time until 5:15 a.m. we had roll call. From 5’15 until approximately 6:30

a.m, we stood outside. Ke were then marched inside where we had to strip to the waist

and wash ourselves. At thia time we were given our noon meal ticket. We were given

then our morning cup of coffee and had to drink, it very quickly and return the cup.

;• then went to the block and dried ourselves. ie went back to bed and slept generally

until 10:00 a.m. Then we would get up and wash ourselves. e would be formed again

at 11:30 aja. for roll call. After roll call we were given our one liter of soup and

ate in the main block room. After mess we would sleep again and do nothing until time

for the evening roll call at 6:00 p.m. At 6:00 p.m. we had roll call by the Rapport-

fuhrer and we were marched again into ness. After mess we were alladd outside of the

•H.cicn

1. (Cont.) block and the time was ganerally our own. There were about twenty

non from each blook that were used for details, such as kitchen details each day.

Q. Have you anything more for the official record 1 A, 1 could tell you a great

msher of things about the severe, cruel and inhuman treatmnent that was meted out

to us by the 33 guards. I have recited only a very few things. To tell you the

whole story would require many full days of testimony by me alone.

Testimony adjourned at 1130 hours on 16 May 1945.

violf Schafranek

DAVID CHAVEZ, JR. Colonel, J. A.G.D.Investigator-Examiner

I certify that the above testimony

was translated to the witness in

his own language, prior to his

signature, which appears above.

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Testimony of GrDaGE VOIA, taken at Dachau at 0900 hours on 17 May 1945.

Tec 5 James Dundy; 32355293, # 6th Ar- Gp,, e i repertar and was prom

by him in the following form: "You mrear that you will faithfully perform the du-

ties at reporter in this investigation now being conducted by me, so help you God."

GBonOE VOIDA appeared bofore the Investigator-Examiner and-testirlea without the

benefit of an interpreter of German as follows1

Q. Do you speak and understand anglish? A. Tea,

Q- <ill you please state your full name? A. GEORGE WIDA.

Q. How old are you? A, 27 years of age.

Q. Mhere is your home? A. In Budapest, Hungary. The street address is II BLnbo

UT30

D Do you plan to return to Budapest upon your release from Dachau! A. I plan to

return to Budapest if my family is alivej if not, I plan to go to the United States.

Q. Do you understand the meanng of an oath' A. Yes, I know the consequences too.

Q. Mr. VOIDA, we are investigating the atrocities committod by the Gernans upon

the prisoners here at Dacha u. Are you willing to take an oath to testify as to what

you know concerning the Dachau Camp? A. Ies.

i* lease stand up, raise your right hand, and be sworn. "Do you, GB20S VOIA,

swear that the evidence you shall give in this investigation now being conducted by

me, shall be the truth, the whole truth, and notning but the truth, so help you God."

Q. Have you had any special schooling in engineering? A. Yes, T finished a toch-

nieal school at the University of Budapest.I we a specialist in gas, water and eloc-

engines.

Did you serve as an engineer in the commercial world at udapost? A. Tea, from

the tina of my graduation until I was placed in a concantrati on camp by the Germans.

. I now hand you an Inntrument known as exhibit VOIDA Ml and ask you to tell me

what it is? A. This is the plan of the crematoriun at Camp Dachau, This exhibit

shows especially the insulation of the room between the gas chamber on the right and

disinfection room on the left. It also shows the distance in meters of all of the

various distances on the ground plan of the large crematorium at Dachau. This plan

has a scale of one centimeter on the plan to one hundred centimeters on the -round.

. Is there anything else on that plan that you wish to point out'. A. No. It has

no value to us.

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nQ. I now hand you an Inatrument known as exhbt V xua and AK you -o -d--1/

itzA, VIDA #2 shows ths elnetrie, water and gas inatallations of the building.

Q. With you looking directly at VOID /2 will you name the rooms reading from Left

to rieht and explain what they are? A. The first is a room into which they bring

infected clothing. It has five separate disinfecton chembers

a large room with several partitions in it which was used for dierobing

a large corridor between the disinfection room and the disrobing room.

room is a smaller room that was also used for disrobing. There is no C

tween those two rooms, merely a cartition. In the first ol these two rooms they

collected the people together and in the socond the people disrobed

smaller at the two rooms there is a door leading to the next room

ieh has the word in German over the doorway meaning "Shouerbath The next

where

open room where dead bodies were collected. The next roots

the four burning ovens are located. The last room is also

is

an

the large

open room

roo

where

bodies were collected the collection of bodies for those

who were executed or died from any other cause other than gas

Will you please state for the record what that is which is above the oven room?

A, This is a large extension of the roar of the crematorium in which is located

on either side sleeping quarters and office space. In the center there is a large

room wherein stores of coke, wood and other matorials were. collected.

I notice that VOIDA *2 has three different colors represented, aill you state

blue lines moan? A. It shows pipes for water or for steam

I notice that there are certain lines, that is, in red with X and circles with

dote in them: The X reprosents an electric outlet. Che red circles with a dot

indicates either an eleetrte or water switch

I notice that there are certain lines in black upon VOIDA #2. 'ill you state

for the re

indicates'

Chane are tranaforuers and special technical

an is green. All? you state for the record what

he green indicates gas conductors - the line where

d normally flow

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Q. Will you explain tor th* record trot which of these roatu gas would normally

flow? A. Starting at the disinfeotion chanber, the green line ahaws a flow of

gas along th* inside corridor to th* gas chamber itself and also through the cor-

ri dor into the oven room. It is to be noted that th* green linos run only from tm

oven room, gas chamber and disinfection room, all of which are connected by one

main line running along th* inside corridor.

. Have you checked the physical: plan of the crenatorium at Dachau so thatjou

ar* certain in your own mind that the installations that you have stated for the

record are represented here? A. Yes, I have made a check of the plan and the

varioua colora as represented give a true picture of th* crematorium at the Soncen-

tration Camp at Dachev,

• . I direct your attention to the oven room on exhibit V IDA 02, I wish you to state

for the record how many ovens are located in that room A. Four. One on either

side of the room and two in the center.

C. I now hand you an instrumant known as exhibit VOID A 13 and ask you what it

represent* A. It represents th* large crematoriun at Dachau, that is, the outside

of the building end two cuts. Th* upper drawing showa the front view of the crema-

torium whereas the bottom shows a rear view of the crematoriu. The cut along­

side the front view is a vertical cut of the front of the building wh areas th*

cut to the left of th* back side shows a vertical cut of the rear of th* cramatoriun,

. I now hand you an exhibit known as VOIDA #4 and ask you to tell what that is 7

A. This shows the ground plan of the crematorium yard snowing th* relationship of

the largo crematoriun to the surrounding buildings and area.

i. I notice that the rectangular shaped building in th* center with the word

Barrarka K ia in red, what building is that one. 1. That building is the erema-

toriua.

I notice there is a small building closa to the crematorium, what is that?

A, it is a small, crematorium.

low many ovens, if you know, does that crematorium have? A. I tink it has two.

k. I notice there is a similar oquare building, the 2nd away from the crematorium

and closest to the lines representing the 11 foot cement wall, what building is that?

A. It is a small dog house or kernel where the dogs were starved prior to their

use upon the prisoners.

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A. These two pages represent the same statement previously made on page 5 with

a few excaptions in prices and it has written across it in red penc1l "nullifica-

tion" refaring it to the letter #196 which is page 1 of VOIDA 49

. I now direet your attention to pages 8 and 9 of exhbit VOIDA #9 and aak you to

tell me what they generally contain? These two pages represent an estimation

I would like

to call your attention to the fact that Item We. 4 on page 9 states "deduction from

original figure by the use of prisoner labor

You have exantned the room which was formerly the gas chamber in some detail

A

I hand you an instrument known as VOIDA #10 and ask you to tell me what it is:

From which room did this or This came from the roo of the

Kowever, over the entrance to the

is mitten in German a word whose translation is "Showerbath. "

tion to exhibit V' '10 and ask you to point out any

that exhibit A There is no inlet or outlet for water

is no oxidation or rust sresent on the shower head

id you examine in this gas chamber

matoly 30 710 and there was no

to each shower. There was no

c cep hole leading to the gas chamber from control

t what E ope the

atal downward so that the person who

see the center of the gas chanber floor.

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l hand you an instrument knoum as exhibit VOIDA 4ll and ask you what it is?

This is a label from a can which contains 200 groms of a chemical which when

a liquid is added will generato cyanide gas

Q. I know that' there some instructions on this label, what do they say? A.

trained personnel are to open these containers as death will result to those who do

not know how to open them."

Where did you obtain exhbit VOIDA /11? A. From the original container of

the Thia container itself has a akull on elther end with the

German word "51 PT" which means poison.

2. I direct your attention to the gas chamber itself and wish you to tell me about

the construction of it ae well as the insulation. A. The walls of the gas chamber

are generally one and mm half foot thick, twice as thick as the walls anywhere else

in the crematorium building. The walls insulated by cement and the floor is made

of a porous material with two drains in the floor. There are electric lamps built

into the walls behind iron oovers which There are two doors

of iron which was approximately 90 cm X 1eo on - one was an entrance, the other was

the exit. There is a very heavy Iron Lock on the outside of each door but there is

no handle or look

Both doors

on the inside. These locks were specially constructed and made of

are insulated by gunned material. There is the telescope about which

I have previczsly testified through which a guard could look into and see the center

of the

in the

gas chamber. There is also the 30 pseudo shower heads. There are 3 windows

front part of the room toward the crematorium entrance which were guarded by

iron gates. These windows could be used only from the outside to where the gas might2. allowed to escape. There are two large vents in the ceiling from which gas, after

it had been mixed in the regulators, could find its way into the gas chamber. These

regulatora were ordinary and would work at tha samne timo as the .imps mixing the gas

la this manner they could control and regulate the flow of already mixed gas into the

chember. The gas used was hydrogen cynanide gas - one of the most infl sawable knom

to man. Special precautions were taken in regard to electric bulbs so that the heat

generated by the electric bulbs could not cause the gas to explode

X refer you back to exhibit VOIDA /U again and ask you to see whether or not

there are any special instructions concerning the storage of this gas? A it

is to be stored in a cold dry place. It is to be kept away from any heat or any

substance that will cause bosbustion either the sun or an open flame.

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Q

is? A

Have you had anything to do with the removal of Exhibit "VOIDA 412" within the

moved this telescope running

la a diagonal direction, so that if one were to stand in the hallway and

Mr. VOIDA, what do you know about the poesibilities of any gas escaping through

this telescope? A. The gas chamber, itself, was so constructed that it was gas

proof. Ths room, was sr. cased in a fora of concrete and brick with rubber fittings

around the telescope. The rubber adhered so well and so closely to the telescope

that gas could not escape

Will you just generally describe, for the record. Exhibit "VOIDA #12"? A

Xt ia a plece of ordinary pipeing about four inches in diameter, three foot long

At each

Q

and there is a head arrangement made of ordinary glass so that one may look

it. Ths glass is encased in rubber so that gas c uld not escape through it

man such telescopes were there leading from the passageway to the inside

of the gas chamber This is the only on

Would it have been possible to have seen people when they were gassed lying on

the floor by any other means? A. Too, there were two windows on the opposite side

of the room from the telescope, similarly encased in rubber which w uld allow per-

sons to observe the gasing process, and the effect on the people being gassed, if

so desired to look

how snob of the inside of the gas chamber is it possible to see looking through

One could see about seven-eights of the room and floor space ofteleacope?

right and lefthand corners closest to the telescope

I again refer you to Exhibit "VOIDA 012" and ask you in whose poesession this

gas chamber. Of course one could not see anything that was happening in the

X have had it in •y possession all of the time eince its removal fr e the wall

f the crematorium, as X was personally there the instant it was ramoved free that

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Q. What is your... cam now? A. I « the capo of a job here at the Concentration - F

labor gang helping the 127th Evacuation Hospital. Iamin charge of the installation

and repair of plumbing, electric and gas appliances.

q. I aaroot your attention to the afternoon 16 1945- "dle “or .1 th. concontratson aw «l Dachau and anytnang umusual • ""

labor gang ... workdng « tno erematorium tang one of the ralse shower nedds ana th. UUAOP.. 1, walked around 10 the un rear of orematorium budtding and started digging in the dirt I had no purpose other than the prisoners “ee

times used to find valuables in the dirt.

aimlessly I uncovered two small embryos.

the other is about 2) months. The older

i was digging in the dirt with a stick

One of these is about 4 months old and

of the two is a boy.

Q.wnat can you MI. an to f general knomledge or understandine of the PF1sone8

of the Concentration Camnp at DacfQ. asout the finding of such embryos” A. There

were two methods by which ths Germans obtained these embryos. in one, they performed

vavosoction upon prognant — 80 that ehaid Mvo • r" "“08 In tb. other, they obtained the ombryo chila by cutting open * who Prevously gassed so that the baby might live a few minutes We do not know what ever

happoned to these ombryo children although we think that it "a to determinepure Aryan race - so called, and to take photograph. for scientific PuPoses 8° “8

to compare the embryonicchild with the features of its mother and its alleged father.

a. Can you 1.11 us ^ythiag concerning the woted out “ the Prisonet he”a camp Dachau? A. I navo ..." prisoners beaton and losther strap"*, 1gas -en .hom Nangoa and bofore hanging 1 have seen them receive 50 lashes and puton

an

&

ehtion for one day. I have also seen men with thei” hands and fee bound “These men wouldupright position and a loose noose placed around their neck:

so that if the man weak-be slowly pulled upward. This noose also had a ring in it

ened at all the noose would tighten, thereby choking him.

cruelty was performed during the regime of Obersturmfuhrer

of the cruel and inhuman treatment me

This form of unusual

vuIss. I could tell you

ted out to us by the S3 guards at great length.

but many nave testried before ~ have testified in detail ooncernine thene anhumanatkos. All that I woula say in rogard woula only be * ropetation: MeT person rocoived soreform of cruel treatinent and at woula be aperopriate to "161P . treatmnt of oach iodine type by the totalnumber of pfinoners in this ca"p•

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EuMTA.35Tostimony of ur. MIECZYSLAW PLASKOTA, taken at Dachau, Germany, at 1300 hours, 4 Hay

1945.

Tec 3 ISIDOA u. ASTOR, 32 115 631, WCIr 16823, Hq- ETOUSA (4. A. Section) APO 887,

U. S. Arny, appeared before the Investigator-Examiner, Col. DAVID CHAT 2, Jr., at

a reporter and was suorn by h a in the following forts: "You swear that you will

faithfully perform the duties of reporter in this investiga ion n w being conducted

by me, no help you God."WCIT #6823,

S/Sgt. ALFRLD a. LAUHENCB, 833625383, /Hq- ETOUSA (J.A. Section) APO 887, U. S. Army,

appeared before the Investigator-xaminer, as an interpreter and was sworn in the fol­

lowing form: ‘ "You swear that you will truly interpret in th a investigation now being

conducted by me, so help you God."

Mr. MIECZYSLAW PLASKOTA appea ed before the Investigator-Examiner and testified as fol­

lows 1

Q. Mr. PLASKOTA, we are conduct ing an inv stigation as to the conditions that pre­

vailed at the Dachau Frisan Camp and subsidiary camps while this camp was operated by

the ss. e are also investigating alleged atrocities and cruelties oommitted by the

Gerzan S3 upon prisoners at this camp and subsidiary camps and allaged atrocities

by the German 35 upon prisoners whom they had arrested and placed in rail­

road cars and shipped or transported to Dachau . Are you willing to take an oath and

testify as to these oonditi ns, and as to any atrocities or cruelties that you know

were comitted by the 33 in the operation of this camp? A. Yes./ -- ‘ IDo you understand the leaning of an oath? A. Yes.

MIECZXSLAQ. Please stand up, raise your right tend, and be sworn. Iou,/PLASKOTA, swear that

Ue evidence you shall give in this investigation n w being conducted by m, shall be

the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? A, I do.

Q. State your full name, your age and residence. A. MIBCZYSLAN PLASKOTA, 22 years

of age. I live in Sosnowiec, Sienkiewicz 27, Poland.

Is tat the address where your mther and fathr live also? A. 'That is my last

address.

Q. Have you been a prisorr con ned at the Dachau Concentrati n Cemp? A. I an

a prisoner at Camp Dachau .

than did you coco to Dachau Concentrati n Camp? A. I came to Pachau on January

7, 1943

here did you come from? A. I cume from KaufBeuren, Germany - Bavaria

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nessed?

Then I

C o ‘9o

headed, without

I escaped from Poland, to Germany, and I worked as • civiltan:Q. Then you were brought to Dachau in 1943 ? A. ‘es•

.. ALcut how nany othar gimrra wore there at Dachau in 19432 when you came

q. Are you familar with the punishments or

pr isonar a at the Dachau Concentration Cap?

why wore you punished in the rashion? 1eot* piece of bread f " the

on.an, outszd., ana tnay cane eor inspection and thy thia lace -f bread

At night thia happened, utaide of my block in the street, bara-

ahcec. The guard, would walk by and hit us with cane. and atiek

been in Poland in 1939 on a holiday on November 11. «• wrote “ainet the walla “57

ainst Naztom, "Out with Hitler, and Long LAve Our “arshal!"

q. So dat, why you were arrested and placed in prison and in thia eoncentrati ~n

A, Thin in tha real cause Ay l have been arrested.

A. Unt4 thia data.

q. Did you live in ne of the block. or barracks

Concentre tian Camp? A. I have been in diff rent block:

Q. Do you recall the block number and the room number that you are new

at thia camp? A. Tea. Block 27, Room 23.

Q. ana how many prisoners are oonfirad in Block 27, a proximately? A.

1,400 to the Block.

Q. The cachau Concentration carp was operated by the ss, is that correct? A. To.

a. Did you know any or the SS officer.? A. Ie.. ..

a. ay you nano than pi—’ a. » Cbersturifuhrer swt, ss Cberoturufuhrer

ormAdjutant to the Kommandant, 33 Untersturafuhrer JUN .

(Cont’d) have described? A. Tea A did. •in ths same manner that you have described?

how many prisonrs have you seen being punishedt A. All that have been

In the same block got the same treatment, thousands and thousands.

Q. Did you know what the other prisoners did to warrant the unishment that adminis­

tered to them? A. Yes, 1 know. On the average, strictly innocent men. The 33 would

come and tellas, "You all wiU be kiled, and nobody is going to leave this camp."

They killed man due to sabotage which was not committed. Different cases, because

we spoke to civilians, for example: ie picked up leaflets dropped by planes. It

would be either American a Snglish planes. The men were punished because they

would steal some food. They would pick up civilian clothing without any arkine on

it, and the punishment f r that was they would get the deserters mark on their cloth-

Do you know a man by the rame of HSINRICH DENKL-R? A. I know him.

Q. Nho is he? A, he is a German with a green patch on his jacket.

Nas he a block chief or Kapo? In civilian life he was a crminal, and in

Ahat is a Cupo? Cepo is a man who wears yellow arm bands with the word

Kapo, who takes the zen out to work.

He is the head of the work detail under the direction of the So? A. Ies

Did you ever see HLNICH vaXLN administer ary punishmet to risoners?

I have seen that.

Hew did he punish them2 A. Most of the time, he would use his bare fists.

times he put on boxing gloves, ard also used a kind of straps

bid you ever see heinrich Dangler use anything besides his hands to beat up

priarers? A. Yes.

... fell us what he used, and describe h w he punished these Most of the

time he woula take the en into the toilets, hit them with the straps, or with

sticks ana afterwards turn the cold w: te enthat.

fashion until he fainted, ar. would leave them lay

tie would nish the men in this

their until his buddies came and

picked him up again.

that you saw HEINRICH DENKLI punish men in ths

fashion that you have described? DLNKL R came here about four months ago, and

by using his Asts, he norked himself u to a apo, up to the time of liberation.

In ur words, the unienments acuministored oy EnRIC • uK a were administered

during the a st four months.

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a. when/were being punished out on the parag• ground, was that out in the pen?

The place where th ss leaders could see the punishmente being administered? A.

The ss would stand on the other side of the fence and watch.

Q. What would the SS soldiers do when they saw you being punished? *. They would

laugh and they would call, "Kill that pigt", and so forth.

Q. Would they do anything to prevent the cruelties which were being administered?

A. No.Q. If anything, they would encourage the beatings, is that correct? A. Ies, and

also ths guards were very bad about it.

Q. Did you ever see any member of the SS comemitting any cruelty or atrocity by

beating up prisners? A. Ies, I did.

Q. Will you tell us about those? A. Nhen the Kapo took the man onto the field

4} to work and the men would decide to take a rest of two minutes, the SS guard would

observe it, come over, kick him with his foot, or the butt of his rifle.

Q. About how many tines did you see punishment like that being administered? Nas

it many times, or just a few times? A. All day long, without intemupbion. Are

there any police dogs in the Dacha Concentration Camp that were used by the SS?

Ies.Q. Do you know of any occasion *en the dogs were used by the SS? .A. The police

dogs were used to trail escaped pris ners. They released the dogs from the leash

and he would jump on the prisoner and bite him. The dog would jump on the man’s

small of the back, throw the man on the ground, and jump oh his throat, and tear him

Q.

Q.

Do you know whether or not the dogs

Can you describe these police dogs?

food?were fed very muchh A. I don’t know.

They would have the German shepherd

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dog, police dogs, and other big dogs about three feet in height.

q. Is there a crematory here at the Dachau CampA. Yes, there is.

Q. Are you familiar with that crematory? A. Yes.

Q. Have you had occasion to see prisoners being taken into that crematory? *

Q. I direct your attenti n to September 4, 1944, andask you

anything on that day? A. Yes. I have seen an incident.

Q. Please tell us what you saw? A. I have seen, by looking

block, how six men, stark naked were run between two piles of

if you'witnessed

over the

manure,

fence from my

facing the wall.

once more. Thenand shot at from behind. The man that didn't drop would get fired on <

they had a detail the e, wh wo id pick up those bodies and c rry them nto the death

chamber.

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Yes, X did

crematorum?

Please do so?

When the men were

his

Q

Q

have seen it personally.

seen yourself per-

I do know

Concentration Camp?

eonditions in Block 27» where you were?

four or five men in one bed.The

filled and were full ofwere only half

urine from the sick men

and 210 cm longThey were 90 to 100 cm wideA

How about the latrine? A

but there is always men there doing the flushing.

A. They would take the men from the Bunker, with their hands tied,

lined up with their hands tied, then came this man from section with

would call the names fran his black book, and then he would march the

is very dirty. There isit's always overcrowded. It

Q.

Q.

When was that? A. About three months ago

Can you describe what you saw when you saw these groups

Q

a black book. He

From there, they would be led into the crematorium. They would go into a

amal building inside the crematorium and indoors. Then they would wait until the 33

Doctor came in, and also the Adjutant to the Kommandant, Obersturmfuhrer OTTO. After

these gentlemen came, then also came the caretaker of the crematorium. I don't know

name at the present time. X may be able to find out

Were these men that were led into the crematorium killed? A. Killed

Did you ever witness the shooting of prisoners? A. Yes, I have seen that.

. Can you zive us an estimate shout how many prisoners you’ve seen executed by

shooting? A. I have seen six men and one woman

Q. Are these shootings that you have seen yourself? A. Yes, X

Q. Do you know of any other cases of shooting that you have not

Q Were prisoners frequently executed by shooting at the Dachau

Mr

full of

PLASKOTA, can you describe the living

rooms are overcrowded. We slept with

liee and fleas. The straw mattresses

Q. Row big were the beds?

water running, but not enough

There are 800 men to 6 toilet seats, and two sinks to wash in

Were-there any sick prisoners in your Block? A. Yes

Q Would they remain in the same Block with the other men?

•3? &

Q. Do you know of any occasions when sick people died in your bleak? A. Yes, I

In my room I know of 20 cases in these last three months that have died.

q. Do you mean 20 people have died in the last three months in block 27 shere you

lived? A. Iss.

Q. What was the cause of the death of these people? A. Either typhus or tuberculosis,

not enough blood.Q. Those me that you say had typhus and probably died as a result of the typhus, "er

they given medical attenti n before they died? *• No

Q. Mere they in the same room, and in the san. block with you and other ren during the

time that they had typhus and the other diseases A. les.

Q. Did the other prlsoners in your room and in your block know that there were a great

A number of ran who had typhus? A. Yes.

Q. Did you report the fact that these men had typhus to the S3? A. Everybod know

it.q. Did the ss know it, the soldiers and the officers who were charged with the

ponsibility of this camp, know it? A. Yes, the did.

Q. Mac there a typhus epidemic at this camp, sometime ago, when a great number

pris ners died as a result of typhus? A. Yes. This is the a era nd epidemie of .

since 1943? .

1. Do you mean that there have been several typhus epidemics at th 13 camp. A.

Q. Didagrsat number of prisoners die as a result of these typhus epidemics?

A. Tea.,. .ere uhere many cases of dysentery in your block? A. lee.

• .. You mentkoned tuberculosis. dere thero a 1ot or tuberculosis ca.sba in X^r

A. Yes.Q. gas the fact reported to the s authorities, tht prisoners were suffering from

dysentery, and tuberculosis in block 27? A. Yes.

4. mt would the German s Authorities do about these conditio ns?..In the last time,

nothing.

a. .as any medicine ave to these men who were sic? A. It **• pure luck i • man

got tablets , pills.a. Dan you tell us something about the £ood ration that was given to Jo • •• -es•

I can.

.. ...hat were you given for breakfast? ... Only coffee without sugar or milk. ,

a. Mhat were you given for the noon meal? A. ne litre liquid soup with carrots,

and for supper, we would get 1/8 of a kilo bread with, one day, tea,

res-

of

typhus

les. _O 8 H

block?

sedO

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Q. Tas

Q

AndQ.

Q.

the afternoonin

eight meters long.

many men

Have you everQ.wrists with their

Q.Q.How

I

A. (Cont°a) soup with something in it.

it something like meat? A

it a large amount of meat?

this meat was in the soup?

that an average daily food

A. About 3/4" of rest.

A.

ration? A.

q.ahat was the general condit on of the prisoners after having this food ration for

or ten months? A. The san were just plain weak, and loot weight.

were they very thin, or were they fat? A. Just plain thin.

4...hen did the Are ri cans take the Dachau Camp? A. On the 29th of April at 6 o'clock

Q Was that last Sunday? A. This was last Sunday our first day of liberty,

there many ss troops at the canp at the tire that the Americans came?

No. There were only a few.You are of Polish extraction? A. Born in Poland, a Pole, and of Polish parents

Do you kn w whether or not there a great number

Dachau Concentration Camp at this time A. Today,

CROSS-EXAMINATI N BY CAPT. CLYDE L. WALKIA, Inf •

of typhus cases existing in the

I don’t kn w

Jill you give re the dimensions of the sleeping room? A. Six meters wide and

Q. How high? A. About

Q. Will you give me the

six meters.

aimengi ns or the eating room? A. It is also six by

eight, also about six meters high.

How many r oms are there to a block? A. Four rooms.

there in Room 3, Block 27? A. 42*seen men’in your block or in any other block hanging from the

hands tied behind their backs? A. I’ve seen it in Block 16.

.. Ho. long aid th. men hang by th. wrist? - Depending on the circunstances - fToa half hour to an hour.

Why were they so hanged?A. Because he smoked a cigarette during working hours,

or he didn't properly

sh es on when walking

Have you seen men

clean his dish, and the bed wasn’t made up right, or had his

int the room or found tampering with

beaten in the wash room and then made

tration Camp Parade Ground before the assembled prisoners!'

the hobnails of their

to parade n the Concer­

A, Tea.

any music played, and i • by whom was the music p ayed - b} the pris

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20 men.

Q. Daa the SS punish men at night when they were drunk? ••

Q.

Did you

Q

the

dhen/were shot, what kind of a gun was ueed? A, Pistol.

Who did the footing? A. All the SS that were present, and th. carwtak.r "

c-torium and the Aa3utant of the Commandirg officer, two Rapport leaders andone

uti

S3 ran, were watching.

Did you ever eme the stench of burning niesh? A. avery tane there a “

n, and the wind was blowing our way, we smelled it.How often did you ewell the stench of burning nosh’ A. Almost everyday.

Did you eve- ••• smoke coming from the chimney of th erematorlum? A. X... I

have seen it.

Both day and nght? in the daytime I only saw smoke, but in the night tine

we could see nlashes of nlames•

w, it at -hee. times that you omeilled the stench or burning flesh? os

That was the time 1 smelled it.

mat did they do with the dysentery case, in room 3, Block 277 A le ourselfes

took broad and burned it down to coal and gave it to tn.ee own "

o. wen you — the risonars ehot, on *“ p rtion of the body was the wound

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inflicted’Tey „oula fir. from four to rive meters •» er In tha head ointhe

back.

Testimony adjourned at 1535 hours 4 May 1945-

ATESTED

IS

DAVID CHAVaZ, Jr/ Col. JAGD, Irvestigator- xamire r

I certify that the above testimony the witness in hie own langase, pr-" nature hch appears above.

slated to

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Teztimony of EDMON> PALSn- 2INSXI, taken at Lachau, lermany, 1430 hours, 18 May 1945

Tec 3 ISIA X. A3TOR 32 115 631, uCIT 6823, Hq Section) APC 887, U. S

Arng, appeared before the Inveatgator Examner as a reporter and was sworn by hl*

in the following "You swear that you will faithfully, perform the duties of

reporter in this Investigetion non being conducted by me, so help you God

Mr. TRECSICK a A. SAlTI, via Facine 51, Milan, Italy, appeared before the Investigator

Examiner as an interpreter and was sworn by him as f llows: "You swear that you will

truly interpret I this Investigation now being conducted by ne, so help you God."

(UND PAL35ODZINSKI appeared before the Investigator Examinar and testified as follow*:

Yoirname is EDNUND PALLN A

Q• And you live at Gnlesno, Poland, Kolegiaty 2? A. Too.

G. Ir. TALE DZINSKI, we are making an investigati n as to alleged atrocities and cruel­

ties that were committed by the Geraan ss upon prisoners who were held in conrinenent

at the Lachau Prinon Camp, are y u willing to be bwor and tectify as a witness as to

wh t y u know of those alleged atrocities and crucltlas? A. Y s.

How old are you? A. 36

Do you know and understand the neaning of an oath.’ A

• Stand up, raise your right hand and be sworn. Yot , EDMUND PAL , DZINSKI, de soleznly

swear that the testis, ny you are about t. give in the investigati n now being c nducted

b.^e, will be the trutl , the whole trut , and nothing but the truth, so hel yo God?

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Ido.How long have yeu be-an c onr A. From 14 Deceaber 1940

Have you been employed in the ed Cross ffice where all of the cards and ecorde

ke t of prisoners who are processed througi Dschau, pris ners wh died, and prisonera

who are tahen out on transterred fro* achat" . Since auturen 1942.

ur. is a true

Do I understand that yo er H FPMAl compiled thie exhibit!

tatistic has bean comp led in Larch., By requant e the arth ritlee Ln

correct list or the cuzber f riests ah have died at the Tachau

I She y u xhtbit "H FfFN-1", and ask you if that

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A. (Cant'd) worked two nights upon it and than we conpleted the rigures for that perlod

Q

Exhibit "HOFFMANI-1" is signed by yourself, is it nt? A. Teo.will

I now show you an Instrument marked Exhibit "PALu DZINSKI-1, which we/ask the repor-

and

to mark in the record, and which I will ask you if you can identify that instrument (Ex. "PAIET CDZIISKI-1" marked in evidence)

tell us what it repreaents?/ A. Too, I made this myself. This is the list of pri-

sonars wh died at the Dachau Trison Camp from Nay 1, 1945 to 17 May 1945

How did you obtain the figures that :r contained in exhibit "I PALLODZINSKI-1", which

show the number

of Hay? A, ie

of prisoners who died each day in the Tachau Prison Cemp for the nonth

received a list fr m ths the “ager hospital, and we take out the personal

cards of all the man who died. In the latter days, the lists were larger, because we

have also received lists from the Americar evacuation hospital and otter hospitals here

Do I understand, that, each day, you received a list of the number of prlnoners who

died at the Dachau rrison Camp, and when you received that list, you go to that prior

oners card and take thet prisoners card by marking a Red Cross? A

den that, I go, bvery evening to the hospital and check up with the hospital book

if the hospital b ok is correct

Are the figures in Exhibit-"PAL3SNODZINSKI-1" showing the deaths of risorers each

true and correct?

And/the figures sh wn on Exhibit "PALE > DZINSKI-1" prepared by you after you checked

them? A

Are you a Catholic priest? A

•here were you ordalnedT A. L. were

ahen/you ordai ed as a priest?

Poland, Oniesno

1934

ince you have been at the .risen Carap at Dechau, have you been subjected to the

malaria experiment'- A. Not voluntarily, I was foresd.

pid the S3 authorities or Dr. SCHIL ING askyou if you c onsentez to the malaria

experimeht? A. No

the one that performed the malaria experiment upon you? A. Other prisoners

by order of SCHILLING

Father, do

do you reca l an ncident whir all the priaoners in your block were com-

pe led to/some extra marching and’ ream ined out of your barracks frac morning till night

it waa just before aster in 1942

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until Bx or aeven o'clock in th* ovaning, xhen we retepned t th* block, made our

n t being supplied with

"PALSNDZINSKI1

And alsoon that page? ahose signature

that? A

not?

Pol*

EDMUND PALET DZINSKI

%Vr CE-V JrCol. JAInvestigator-ixamir ar

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caps or hats, they

allowed to sntor

• dozou rcounize the other simature Chat 1*

PRAISLEn’s signature.

In 174* and 1941, all men that had no work

a d had t remain standing outaide all day.

beds galn and ut our cupboards in order,

were no allowed to enter a block al day.

Then, in the summer, for instance, th* men.

I certify that th* above testimony was translated to th* witness in his own language, ri r to his signature which appears above."

received, very ott, "wolen beads from the sun raye, but were not

a block or take eovor in any even ar they fainted.

,. Father, I forgot to ask you. is that your simature on axhibi

Do you snow Kr. PAISLEN’s handwriting A, Yes,

That is his handwriting? A. Yes,

FE-SLEB also worke in the Records fries, does he

Fethar, did I ask you—what is your nationality? A.

Testimony adjourned 1545 hours 18 May 1945,

" Tel as about that inetdontr •• In the morning, we had to undo our bads, empty •11 our cupboards. Then •o hae t narch and round on the parade Erom tne"riy morning to midday. At midday we went back to the block, made our beds, and had

lunch. Then we undid our beds, and arched around the parade grounds until evening

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TTESTOD:

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Testimony f 180 MICHALCKSKI, taken at Dachau German, 0800 hours 13 May 1945

V. S. Army, appeared before the Irvestigator-xaminer az a reporter and was sworn by

reportor in thia investigation now being conducted by me, so help you Cod

being conducted by m, so help you God."

ap eared before the Investigator-xaciner and testiried as follows:HICHICWSXILr

XIClULISKI7You

Catholic Prist fro* Poland? Aa RomanYu

oldHon

we are Investigating some alleged atrocities and crueltiee commi Lted byfather

the eraans

as a witness aa to what you know or these alleged atrocities and cruelties?testifyand

To you kn w the meaning of an oath o

rale* your right hand, andPlesse stand up.

sive In the Investigaticn now be ng cn-testimony yo are about te

and no thing but the truth, so help youducted wdl b

God? Jo

in Pelplin, Polanddhere?

been a prisoner at the Lachau Conceatration Camp at achau, Germany?You have

rget, the accrete n ere we may be able to loc to you, say, six months

Snicie n/w Poland? A

when were you braught to

ou at som other 3ersan

a in

o s

by hi* as follows: "You swear that you will truly interpret in this investgat n now

him in the following form "You swear that ycu will faithfully perfora the duties of

the truth, thevhole truth

A. 36 years old

frac, now, la

Tee 3 Isidor M. Astor, 32 11$ 631, ICIT 6823, R. LTOUSA (3. A. Section) APO 867

while the; operated the achau Prison Camp. Are you willing to be sworn

was in two conentrati n casps, since July, before I wae b nt to Dachau

De sworn. You, LLC HICALN KI do sol-

the Dachau C ncent ration Camp- A. i. ecember 14

CampConcentrat on/bafore you were brought t achau?

S/Sgt. ALFRUH E. LAURSLICS, 33 625 383, <CIT 6623, Uq. ET USA (J. A. Secti n) Ai 3 887,

dhen’wo e you ordained as a Roman Catholic rieat? a. Cn Tecember 23, 1933

U. S. Arny, appeared before th* Inveotigator xaminer aa an interpreter an was eworn

before I

Dachau? A

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And rrom Dacember 1, 1940, until the present cay, you have been • priooner t

father, did have an occasion to observe the way prisoners were trotted aththe

Dachau Pdson Caxp? A

A

.re thare a great num-sr or Ronan Catholic priests held as prisoners at this camp”

Mora than a thousand

Father

Dachau7 A

you subjected tu an ex eriment while you were held •• • prisoner at

shat were they';At first malarla and then the water bath axxperinent

Do ycu ■ ean the freczing water exporiment” A, Tea.

he were you subjacted to the freezing water oxperiment? A

in the afternoon.

Can yo briefly describe the freezing water experimentt A. .

Ng. A on Bieck 5, ahere there was a basin, 2m by 2m in dimensions

1

at bar 7, 1942,

was taken to Room

I was undressed and

two medical apparau, whose nature - cannot 6ive in *UU» "ere tdod ° " °0"* wires were introduced into « rectum, and to my body scot.ch tapa. I

then

then

hour

Two

areasea in a flyer's uniform, flyer's boota, and a safety life-savine belt

dropped in the

during which I

cisc usness.

utely 11

Do you

an: si s

water in which ice blocks were floating. I was conscious for one

was at first given a eigarette, and some rum- 1 - roneaber

gme drops of yellow fluid into ay south. Shortl3 afterwards I

But I remember, tat, at that time, from

frozen Iron and that cole sweat came dom/my

how long ye were in this frozen

3 that

tsi

my legs an

forehead.

water artar you became uncon"

at S ‘clock tn the evening, I regained c nsctousnsss

or the water baain.

long you were u this basin •£ ice-cold water:

I thin * prexivately two hurs

t c this experLert were you comp-go

lad to/to tha haspital Block ■ A

.hat wa your ctditien A. Very weak, very hure"-- For tw wee a

aital feeling ven poorel , and laving a ver, Arragular temper.

.. ... ... was vurr weak wb z started getting up again

was in bed

tu

what effect of this exporiment upon you

often felt pains in my heart and a

Up to the pre sent day 1

ad. At n ht, while in bed

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(Cont’a) I sometimes have a fedling as though my head was moving back and forth.

Father, did you agree or consent to the freezingwater experiment, which was per-

formed upon you.

Q. On the cantrary I azkea them to let me out and not to eubject me to the expertment

I called for help.

Q. To whoi did you object? A. To two officers of the German air face whose names

sturmfuhrer BRACHTEL, who was Camp hospital Doctor.

Q. Do you know who the S3 Doctor was who was in direct charge of the freezing water

experiment at Dachau? A. I think that Dr. BRACHTLL was immediately responsible for

those experimenta. I don't know any other names

Q. Wgre prisoners subjectea to other experiments besides the freezing water experiment?

A. I have heard about experlments•

q. Wgre you also subjected to the malaria experiment? A. Ies.

q. Were a large number of other prisoners subjected to the cold water experiment?

A. X renember that I was, in one case, called together with 20 other pris ners for

further examination, so I imagine that all 20 ted undergone those experiments.

Q. Can you describe the malaria experiment? A. One experiment on me was performed with

a so-called curing medicament.

received 5 injections prior to

Proa that injection I got a heart attack, loot ay

The injection was called "Peripher" injection. I had

the CAO which I have juet described.

Q. How were you inoculsted with xalaria? A. Httle cagee containing mosquitoes were

placed on my forsarm, and the mosquitoes were allowed to bite me.

a. And it was after the moequitees had bitten you, that you were given this peripher?

A. mhile undergoing this malaria experiment, I waa subjected t. the Luftwaffe sold

q. Shat was the result of the malaria experiment upon you? A. I frequently had apehls the exact . .

of high fever /number I forget. I alar had shills, headache and the same pains I have

just described.

Q. Did you consent to the malaria experiment which was performed upon You?

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k. I protested vigorously when, eix hours after the injection, of which I have des- "

eribed, another injection of Peripher was to bo «ivento.pe- The orderlies who tried

to give me the injection called th* 3s Doctor PLorTA, Hauptsturafuhrer. That man

was Dr. SCHIILING’s assistant, and when I said that he was not to give me another in­

jection, he answered, "you have to obey here. I am taking the responsibllity for your

life." Then I got the injection in spite of everything.

CnoSS EXAMIMITION Hr CAPTAIN crTps L. wALKIQ. Who is Dr. ScnILLIwGT’A. I under stand he is a Professor of Lunich University.

Q. Was he the head of the malaria experiment section at the Dachau Prison Camp? k. Ies.

Q. Did anyone ever mention to you, upon what authority they were conducting these ex-

periment? A. I heard from another priest that Dr. SCHILLING told him that he had a

Me order fros anaaaa to take such experiments. The namo of that priest is wrEcKI.

Q. Were a great number of prisoners including €atholic priests subjected to the malaria

experiment? A. Over a thousand of which ap rozimately 220 Catholic priest* were ex­

perimented on. •

Q. Mhat would you say. Father, if I told you that Dr. SCHILLING has told us that he

performed 2,000 experiment* in malaria? A. That may be. I had the figure from some

other priests, who thought there were less cases.

Q. How much did you weigh in civilian life? A. Approximately 90 kilos. <c • p

Q. How much did you weigh at the time that you were undergoing the experiment? A.c

Approximately 47 kilos. fa • • ‘ c

Q. And how much do you weigh today? A. I should say about 60 kilos,

stimony adjourned at 0900 hours, 13 May 1945.

ArasTaD: / MKHALOWSKI

DAVID CHAVk7, JR.»<ZZ 7/ I certify that the above testimony wasColonel, JAGD, V translated to the witness in his ownInvestigator-Examiner. language, prior to his signature which

appears above. I

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faithfully perform the duties

so help you God."

ETCUSA (J. A. Section) hPO 887

as an interpreter and was sworn

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being conructed by me, 8o help you Jed."

Mr. sraMISTar WOLAK appeared before the Investi ator-Lxaminer and testified as fol lows t

Q. Your nane is STANISTIT WLAK? And you live at Lauretanska II, rakow, Poland?

by him in the following fem: "Tou mwear that you wl

of reporter in this investigation now being conducted

s/Sgt. ALmun s. uuuEac., 33 $25 wen 6823, Hq.

bin an followa:. "Tou swear that you will truly interpret in this Investigation now

C. S. Arng, appeared before the Investigator xaminer

Testimony of STAlISTAW NOLAK, taken at Dachau, Germany, 1115 hours, 14 May 1945•

Toc J Isidor M. Astor, 32 115 631, WCH 6*23, Hq- ETCUSA ( J. A. Seetion) AP 887,

C. s. Aray, appeared before the Invest Iga tor-Exnminer as a reporter and was sworn

Q.DoI understand that you are a Roman Catholic priest, father? A. Tas.

.. Father, we are conducting an investigaton of alleged atr-cities and cruelties

committed by the Gerzane while they were operating the Lachau Prison Concentration

Camp and the conditi ns that existed at thse cmp while it was under the juriedletin tf

German ss. Are you willing to take an oath and to testify as to what you know of

these atrocities and contitions? A. Tea.

p- Do you understand the -eanins of an oath? A.

.. :i-l you kindly stand up, raise your right hand and be sworn? A. You, STANISTA7

. LAK, do zolemnly swear that the gridence you shall give in this investigation now

befog conductd by me shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but ths truth,

so help you God? A. I do.

Q. New old are you, Father? A. 31.

Q. Ahen were you ordained as a priest? A. 1937.

. dhat is your nationality? A, Polish.

. abere did you study for the priesthoodi A. In Eracow, Foland .

q. tere you a prisoner at the achau Concentration Camp? A. Tew.

. .ben were you brought t this prison? A. ecember 12, 1940.

.. >ore you brought direct from Poland to Dachau? A. 1 was brought from the

tration Camp, huschwitz in Silesia to DeciAu. A a

Q. hat criminal offense, if any, did you comit to warrant your being confix

1 7_ _ _ _ _ _ _ "'mmmessea__ —__ ay___ I" '___ - <.5___ _ •a

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au Concentration Camp? A. X never commited any crime.

4. Do you know why you were in Prison? A, I ai arrested as a member of the Polish

intolligennia.

Q. Father, were you subjected to earn experiments whil, you were at Dachau?

A. Sea. I wes subjected to phlegmone exerimenta i Novomber 1942. I was forced to

subject nyselr t such expednnts. The Block leader and the capo of tee hospital-- the Mlock leader zm and znaa uu. They were were worse than the ss.

4. ho perforned the pernente upon you’ A. Present at thejnjections "ere S3

Sturmbann fuhrer SCHUTZ and 53 Caap Chief, bersturmuhrer NOLTE. The injection

itself was made by a civilian Doctor from the health ministry in Berlin whose nane

X do ast knew.

G- Do you mean Sturmbannfuhrer MERMER SCEurz? A. X don’t tav his first nane.

G. What is xoLra'S first man? A. I don't kn w.

Q. Did yon censent or agree to have the 33 doctors perform this exvoriment on you?

A. Mo, I have never been asked for censent, but was elmply forced t presant ayselr to

the hospital, and to take whatever treatment was given to mo.

Q- hat kind of experiment was porformed up n you? A. X was injected with phlegmene

at the Biochemische Versuchsstation of the Dachau Prison Concentration Camp.

G. Are you the same STANI3Taa a UK that was examined by Lt. Col. ABDOU N? A. Yoo.

A. You showed Cel. ANDaTS N soM soars on your right leg, and will you tell us how many

scare do you have, and where are they located? A. Those scars are on the top there­

on the side. Two above the knee and one right on the knee of my right log.

Q. ahat are the siaea of those soars" A. Between 10 and 15 centtmeters.

Q. And what are the widths? A. Cne to two centimeters.

Q. How did you happen to get those scare on your right leg? A. After my phlegmone

injecti n sqf log swelled to three times its normal size.

4. -Mt bap enod after you were injected with this serum? A. Immediately afterwards

X was afflicted by heavy fever, great pains, and alnost complete paralysis.

Q. Here you in a comma or unconscious fer 10 days? A. Yea.

.. Did the person who was c nducting those exporiments then make a eut in your leg?

Bel , wea still une ansci us. I was incised in the presence of the whole doctor's

group, as I was told later ca.

.. . an you revived, what did you find? A. I found oct that ay leg had bean completely

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(Cont’a) . X was tola 1 an orderly that, approxmatel y three 11tere of

the

had been

fas thatthe rirst cut that you receivad la the couree of this experimentt A. eb

mat ha ened after you received the first cut and some pus was taken. A. “verydaz

bandag. was opened-in the prasence or the committee of doctors, morv drained out,

wcund cleaned by spraying seas disinfectant, and also colored pictures take:.. The

dage me cAoeed everyday.Than whap happened A. aftei 5 days I had another attack of high fever and

ne. ana I was cut open again on my right leg. The sane treatment con-tinued until December 23, 1942. I was cut, altogether, 5 tines. verytime an

anecthatic. Arter the fifth cut, my general canaition beceme very tad. The doctors at

that time gave me a blooa trenfusion, and stoppea all injectione of Tibatim, which J

had recelvea pravicusly, at part of y treatment. In the midale of Janery, I got a

sixth Anctslon made. After the stxth cut, the S doctors gave me BP as incurable,

at the erd of January pris oner orderlies ano ris oner Doctor czanxoa3KI reopened all

six previous Incist one, drained them again, and saved my life.

Q. id I understand you to say, that you remained in the hospital until June 19437 A.

q. And they comnencad t experiment with you on "ovember 1942, end you were saved only

by ths generosity and service of this good, Dr. CZAEXCMSKI? A. Tea.

q. How many prisoners do you know of, are there that have been subjected to the phlee-

mon. experimentz A. I know of two groups of 20 Folish priests each, sho were sub-

eitted to this exportment, but I note, Furthernore, that other experimenta had been made

on ouner prisoners, of tn. cariter group I know that hardly anybody survived the expe-

imants, and that they were more brutally treated than we were.

a. Did som. of We people who were subjected to these experiments dis? •• Tea,-of the in the first group,

20/uho were subjected—sever died.

Q. ahen did they die? A. Mostly in tecember 1942.

five in the cowse of treatment, or the other roup

q. Mint Bloek number were youinir “ovember 19427

q. The 20 Prisoner Clergymen that you epoke of who ’

Two died during the Inclsi ns and

of twenty, feur died.

A. In Slock 30, Room to. 3

Q. Did you suffer any ill effects from this experiment, even after the doctor had

treated you? A,

4.

was experimented upon it was in connection with Luftwaffe experiments

. By the Luftwarfe experiments, you mean the freezing water experiment? A. Yes

CROSS EXAMINATION BY CAPTAIN CUPS L. VALKS

Q. Father, who do you feel in your conscience nas responsible for the experluants which

were performed upon you, and other experiments that were

The ss marderers, and I also accuse the hospital Capo ZIMERMAN for choosing vie-

ties for the experiments, as in ay own case.

4. Did you ever hear as to who ordered these experiments to be performed A - kn

that interested in such experiments, was the Reichchef Doctor of the SS from Berlin,

who ones visited our station. Be called out all patients together and inspected all

cases. I noticed when he visited us, that my name was familiar to him, as I had boon

the weakest of the surviving patients

What was his name? A. I don't know his name. No visited us approximately at

the end of Februry 1943.

Did all of the doctors of the S3 at the Dachau Prison Camp know about these ex-

periments? A. Yes, all of thee. All were somehow connected with treateant of ex-

StANISTAN KOLAKATTESTED:

Colonel

Adaad- DAVID CHAVEZ I certify that the above testimony was trans­

lated to the witness in his own language, prior to his signature which appears above

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EXHIBIT29

Testimony of BORIS FULDA, taken at Dachau at 1600 hours on 13 May 195•

Tea 5 James Lundy, 32355293, H 6th Army Gp, appeared as a reporter and was sworn

by him in the rollowing fox*: "You swear that you will faithfully perform the du­

ties of reporter in this investigation now being oonducted by me, so help you God."

Mr. BORIS FULDA appeared before the Investigator-Exxaminer and testified without

the benefit of an interpreter as follows:

Yes

That is your nuns. BORIS FULDA. I was born in Moscow, Russia on 5 April

1903 and immigratod at the age of 17 in 1920

That is your address? where

Hy address was Mon-Repos #10, Lausanno, Switzerland

Ie that/we would be able to contact you? A

Q. Do you understand the meaning of an oath? A.

a. .lease stand up, raise your right hand, and be sworn. "Do you, BORIS FULDA,

swear that the evidence you shall give in this investigation now being conducted

by me, shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, Bo help

you God." A. I do.you

Why were/originaliy arrested by the Germana? For eleven years I had been

on the Berlin staff of an English fir of accountants - Price, Waterhouse 4 Coo.

I was travelling abroad a great deal for them since I knew quite a number of lan-

guzges. hen the war broke out the Germans took a number of English and other ene-

)y firms under close observation and one day I was called up to the office and

asked to come around to the Gestapo the next morning, which I did. I never left

the Gestapo since

dozen altogether.

The charges made against me were numerous but trifling - a

in itsclr each of these was not grave but the accumulation of

then made then auspicious and they thought that I must be a spy

-hero were you detained prior to coming to Dachaul At Sachsenhausen. I

stayed there for six days and was transferred with 1500 others to Dachau. I have

roe-ained at Dachau ever since.

That is your nationality A. I am a Hussian but stateless because I have no

Russian citizenship

But you are a Russian . A.

I will call your attention to tho treatment adminiatered by the S3 guardo and

lager personnel toward your countrymen. Will you name the various types of beat-

ings given then during your stay at the Dachau Concentration Camp?

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A. In the fall of 1941 a number of Holland Dutch prisoners were expected. For

This separation was made but tho Dutch

never aame and instead the blocks were filled up with Rusoian Prisonars of War.

I know for a fact that they were Frisoners of War because their interpreter had

told me so. Of these people who, I would say, numbered about 2,500 there remained

after three or four months only sixteen men. Thera man a founded rumor that those

who had been taken away had been shot or otherwise killed. This was a founded

runor. Of these sixteen man who stayed for another fortnight they took away eight

gn the camap and six were taken to the infirmary and murdered there by means of

nculaton. The last two stayed for another week and were also disposed of in

the same way. I remember this interpreter who told me those things one day. I have

never seen these things myeelt but there is retty good evidence that those things

are true. From early 1942 up to May or June 19*2 there were no Soviet Russians

in the camp. Then a great number of civilian Russian started to come. It is to

be noted that most of these Russians were young boys who were taken as slave labor­

ers and because of sabotage or because they attempted to flee from this type of

labor, they ended up in the concentration camp. They found the over all conditions

of Dachau better than the conditions under which they were forced to work in German

factories, i.e., as far as living, eating and treatment. In the factories for ex­

ample a great many had been located under roofs, in attics and could not leave

6s at any time. It first these oung Russians were welcomed at Dachau more or

lose with heartiness by the most comzuniatic block personnel and capos since they

d#

had coms from Soviet Ruasia. They were treated very well and they reseived food

and clothing, -hen it developed later on that quite a number of them were not anuach

good a* real characters, the attitude of these people changed

had to find their own means of living. This entailed a great

iahmente each as hanging by the wrists, 25 lashes, eto. This

out in the bathroom and in the bunkers. 1, nyslf, was hung

towards them and they

in the bunker for a

period of one hour and it was thore also that I received 25 double lashes (which

After these 25 lashes I had one and a half months in the bunker. At this time

It Meant that I would receive bread and water only for three days and on over-

fourth day normal food which conaiated of coffee without cream or sugar for the

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A. (comta) morndng moa. at nooman. z was even one LAter wtee voupanin th. evening either a coup or somo cola supper oonstetang or naunage, mnargarine orcheese, i.e., on. of th. threo*a. Did you during your stay at Dachau this typ• of punishunent admdnistered to

tout oountrymen onon a. For a period of about on. and a half year", from te "d- a. of 1912 to th. end of 193, these beating. were adnnsterod an «* publdo "gae Th. whot. of th. pelsonar camp peraonnel wete absebled to watch tns. The hanging

by the wriat. was oartiod out only to th. bathroom. 1, my^lf, Lost feeline von-

nntion to right hand for tor., month. and to th. toft hand for Ave months, Afta

l ms hangod to thto manner for on. hour. At first th. nusskan prie oners ad not at

9, to ^oap. but later on from 1943 to date th. conditions for the aauesdan pF-

nonera became no unboarablo that they, like many others, attempted to ovcape- After

they wore caugnt they wore beaten by th. 33 privately. Thanthe prison porsonne

wor. to th. public aquare. Th. roturned piooner war. a placard upon which

mi writton to Garzan th. word. "I am back again.' X have soen such placard, many

tamos writton to as much as Aivo different lengunagos. This prisoner was required to

beat a drum and kep time while he marched before the assenbled prisoners After he

had made a tour of the parade ground, he was bometimes whipped again publiely-

Q, Havo you over heard or mn of public hangings here to Camp Dachau? A. Too, I

remember three aistinet cnses. In one case it was on. man was hanged, in another it

was two and in the third it was three. Hive of those six were Ruasians. They were

dgoa for alleged sabotage. 1 tost of them had cut out pieces of leather from tractor

belts used to the work shop to which they were working, to order to resole their shoes.

This was explained as sabotage and the crime of sabotage had to be punished by death

by hanging, according to an order from knaaza dated early in 1943. These hangings

ware performed publicly in or near the work shop where the allegod crime had been com-

mit tod and the entire work gang wan forced to watch it. In all these case at" the capo of the eromatorlumn who did the hanging assisted by two of his men. MAI-A was

the capo, reportedly known as a criminal convict; another was zxaQL and there was

also or sa- aU erlminal conviets. Of the hanging group the aforementioned thro,

were the black shoop, the remaining too having little to do. In all cases the Hua.Ians

provoa Ehey had character, mounting th. acartola with emiles on their faces and saying

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eee-fevm-T - I .. po kno. ot any outetandane -gi- of auaatans — — wnod for the I

mhzaman .zporamoma ortneprasure A. •“ • ereat nurber oubod for tnat purpome, some of them dll but mont ot them dd not and . I

1_ _ _ — om outstandang examplo ot • man oallnd NZCMOLS wosnCM "o stood 1

oe porimanhta in muenawonderna way that the — S3 doctor »«•«■•<> t tn. commander UM ne7Bemudttodto wear lone nair. mds “ the only ““ 1 "o"

ot MW* Ui* -eivlage was grantod to * mhe prvloe” o "oaFins 10«

hair was one ospoclally granted by th. 33.o. ga. th—r. anything dc«. to h*is.lans ..p^ially* i* ^bi. • oawp* A To beEreg"te

chom from otner natlonalades, nairelapders wore uned to out out th. «roh o hair

in th. contar of th. hoad from th. forehend to th. baok of th. neck. Tria " gsonut. adontarkcatton ana a1so nelpod thom to trac* then dou 1 • astan snoud

attampt to nee this camp.r. do you have anything more to say for thi. ofrckal record A In «onorde 1 nave told you of th. mdetreatment meted out to th. Auassduns in this osftp- It is to be

notca in passing, homover, enat oeftatn of the 35 lagarnunror oo-.ud.ro "or "ost

savor, with ay countrymen ana were ospoctally more sovero 1th the tan "t n

uonan. mro othar countri... I ooula go on at longtn and UU you o te

various and sundry types of cruel and Anhuman trestsont mortedoutto" ounzayin anna to mo. I shall, nomever, mat ayselt to two outstanding "xa-ples. On^/oung

musszan boys botmoon th. M- of eaven to brought from auassla t ti.aap. may were allowed to run wild in the cau-p, stealan and begging for anvthins moy dosirod. mey ware a plague upon the rest ot the prisoner added "en, to our discomfort at th. Map. then one roalasos that in addition to t "

as w naa thana soys, eney wofe a plngas and th. 33 "er doing everything tey oodd

in cvery posaible way to extersinate us.MU, as the case of the shootings on tmo arteront oocasioc" 0

M. fh~w* otwarmatofwtenwore tru—. on ono occaaion te "o 37

ana on another occuslon 92. mese requdred t knoel dow bofor ‘ troug ana — shot an eno nend froi they rel in the drt troue"

ew remainod an that troug untal te blcod had oompletely radnod fror tneir may wars tnen taken ya Gssan t the ormstorion where weir bodie"

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A. (Oort.) T---T KLimmui

disposea of by burning. There was one man who had the task of extracting the gold

teeth from all prisoners who were killed. If he did not find as much gold as the

fUmt™ had had recorded he ws sent again to search for the missing amount. This

man oftentimes fainted in performing this duty and he was given whiskey by the 38

k u to have mental fortitude to carry out his assigned job. I am not a man

who was a seeker of information, all these things that I saw I was forced to sce

and all of the things that I hoard I heard only by chance. I wanted to forgot them

all as soon as I heard them because I know that if a man lot this great mass of

information concem him, those killings and atrocities would weigh upon his mind,

dd he would cortainly go orazy» as I saw -any poople do at the Concentration CaP

at Dachau.

Testimony adjourned at 1800 hours on 13 May 1945.

ATTEST:

Boris Pulda

DAVID CHAVE,3uColonel, J.A.G.DInvestigator-xaminer

I certify that the above testimony

was translated to the witness in

his own language, prior to his

signature, which appears above.

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Testimony or ALoJzr et KI at Dachau, Gormany, at 10/.5 nours on 26 May 1945

Tee 5 James Lundy, 32355293, q 6th

by him in the following formt "Tou

of reporter in this Investig

Army Op, nppenred as a reporter and was sworn

ewenr , t you ill fait Tully porform the uties

w being conducted by no, so belp ou God

eventh Arny eared as an interpreter and wan sworn

nvestigator- xuninor in the followina form: "Tou swear that you will truly

interpret is this investigation now boing concocted by ne, so help rou God.*

a!

is

Tour

Ten

appearot before the Inventigator-xminer and testifiod as followst

K1

addresa? A. Farna /10, Krotoszyn, Province of Posen, Foland

LOJET SL ; KT and rou live at the address wiich you have just given

Te are making an inv ontigation of the alleged

achau Concentration Camp. Are rou willing to be

• hat you know of these alleged atrocities at the

o you undersLend tho meaning of an oath A

swear th t

atrocities conmittet by the if at the

eworn testfy under oath as to

achau Canp?

fee,

stand up, raise our right hand, and be sworn

the evider

fee

0 you. ALOJ2Y SLANSKI

ou shall give in this izvestigation now being conducte d by

ehall be the truth, the whole truth, nd not ing but the truth, so help you Qod?

A I do

uve you been a risonerat the achau ri eon Camp? Tea

hen were you brought to the Dachau rison Canp and by whom in 18 ecember

Before ou were brougnt to the Lachau Prison Jamp were you confi nod at Buchenwald?'

rau confined as a prisonar at the uchenwald ris on? A. 6 months

r. do you recall n occasion on 4 September 1944 in connection with

usslan officers?

id you know one, I es, I knew a & ussian gemers

as General i , ■ risoz • d fine at achau "r' son Canp YesTellum what you know of the incident that occurred on 4 eptenber 1944 at the

achau risen At the morning report I recelv npany at 0830

up of 90 usslan officers who were prisoners in the achau Camp to the command

ice at the the car At0845 I marched’these en de gate where

the apportfunrer XUMN and 4 othor iat the Calm

gnified bahavior of these Russians and leu. among ca1

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their hands

ere the ussian officers in soldiers uniforna or not" The majority wore tha

tied civilian clothingetripe ' uniform of the prsoners of th camp and a few

they lunstan officerspersonal cards of some of these men it was stated that

o you know the names of any of these Fussian officers1

but I have givon a list of 89 of these names to the Bussian Committeethe nnmes

Could

o you know wo the 53 men were who were present on this occasion? There was

wno brought and read the sentence

There wore various

other men resent but I don't know their na.es

here did you see the Russian officers and SS men? are star Ing on

lunge on

tor I.us.

ussian officersas anything rear or said to

f mi Berlin and whieh contained theread to fhem a document which came

dent h sontencos of these men

did notto the Russian officers?read

t e lagerlieferhear this personally but it

Did you

I ou saw

rMicoreussian by

manted toblocktime ] returned

on being ken Lo the crenere be

time we he■on after a shortof block 27to:

er Interval

on the road leading to the

T don’t rewenber

from Berlin, uptscnar fuhrer (UWN, and apportfuhrer

you obtain a copy of this list for us so we can have it for the record"

How do you knw they were ussian officers A. I

A. Yes, they were armed with revolvers in

tlem? A. auptsoh rfuhrer

Obersturnfuhrer JUNO, llauptecharfuhrer ICIIBE

was told so and on various

ere they later taken any place A.Thay were sent out

see the 'ussian of icere taken the compound to the crematorium?

ould you understand what

the right hand side inside the m in gite of the compound

ened after

the sound of automatic revolvern being fired

After the firing ceased

mentloned as being with the

"nat kind of firing was it that you heare

ussian ofricers A. Tes, I saw these 53 men accom-

did rou have occasion to see

t aounded to me as If It wns

pony the irat group to the orenatorlum. After the firing I saw them return and

escort the second group. After that I saw thorn again roturn to fetch the third

group and after the third group I saw them return agnin to the comnnd of floe

ow long did this entire rrocedure taka place fror the time that you saw the

first group beinc escorted to the eram torium until ou saw the return to the

toman office? A. It lasted roughly from o9jo to 111$ hours.

'•neo you saw the CS men co to the office of the cormander ftor you hard the

firing did you see the llussian officers with thea at that time? NO

' id you ever see those ussian officers again after they were taken to the crema-

toriun? A. I have never seen them again

o . understand that you saw the uesian officors taken th cramati rlum?

o

And that thoy were eacorted by the men aforowentioned? p

o I further undoratand that after these men were takan to t e ctemator lum rouP’ 0s 0 U

heard some Miring? A. Tea, very clearly

uenian ofricera, were they politioal prisoners or were they prlsonrs of

war" A 'art of t em were political prisoners but part of them were considerod

io oners of war 3

you ever talk to an of these usslan officers before they were taken to o

the crenatorum? Yes, uhen they were in our lock I spoke to thus8

1d you ever talk to General XI(

14 he ver tell you wh upit of the Russian Arny he belonged to ? A. No

he ever tell you how he mas aapturad ’■o

LANSKI the t! a ussian q: icers were taken to tho crema-

toriu on the 4th of Septeuber 1944 what nore your duties as e prsorer at tne

achau A. I aas nocretary for block 2,

ere you gven any Inatructions an to these ussian officers?

same evening of the execution was told to urito off thase mon from the rocorda

aw men that, left the cazpI

3

Q o 0a 0

19 o$

The sacretary of the camp, EMMCRICK KnoERQEEICH wmna was an Austrian prisoner who oc-Q

on tho 4th of September 1944 and thslist ef the 90 Russian officers who were shot

cards of these men ani which I put onlist was compiled by myeelf from the personal

one side especinlly

of the Russian officers whom you listedDoes Tidbit SL KI 11 contain the namesQ

turned over to the Russian Cozmittee? Aand

Q.

Q.

Camp? Ato the crematorium?What instructions did you receive after the Bussians were takenQ.to state that theyI received the order to take out the cards from the records and

hadman has left the

leasedle received in theQ. In

executed.beenhadcompiled by you fro® the order that you received fromExhibit SLASSKY f1hen

order you received from thethehat is.to mark with the word "AbgangNhich list they ordered /ou

right.Q. Are the names and the other

to be absolutely

record office a list from the 33 in which was a declaration that the men listed were

released (ht Lassen) or they were to be treated as Abgang by which we knew these men

from camp they used the Gernan word "nt Lassen. "

way would they use the word ntlassen and bgang?

of them and always kept them in the drawer of my desk.

Q. Does xhibit SLAMsKI >1 contain the names of the usslan officers whom you were

directed to take out of the file and list as having left the Dachau Concentration

By whom were you told this? A

«ho was anecacu A.

Left, the camp and I was directed to use the word "Abgang-"

hat do you mean by the word "Abgang"? A. Abgang means that a

cupied the position of Camp Secretary in achau FrisonCamp:

CROSS- XAMINATION by Captain CLYDE WILKER, Cross- Ixaminer.

Q. Mr, suWSKI, I now hand you an instruwent which the reporter has marked xhibit ask

SLAASKI fl and/r you can identify it and tell us what it is? A. Yes, this is a

of your knowledge and belief? A. is far as I know I believe these

is that your signature at the bottom of Exhibit SLAKSKI 01? A. Tee.

“hen did you sort out the cards and compile the names of these nussian officer s?

Arectly after these men had been shot I took out their cards, made out a bundle

data given in xhibit SLAVSFY -1 correct to the best

camp but its real meaning is that a nan had been killed. Otherwise

S3? A.

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Itai but I t any rate he never returned to our block

tapportfuhrer, is that correct?

T stimony adjourned at 1230 hours on 26 ay 1945

AVI ‘: v z, J . olonel, V. .G.D:

Investigator- xaminer

to relate an incident that occurred about the month of september

in eonnectionwith our Investigation of the Dachau ' rieon Camp

nAltrent then unmercifully. They beat them by hitting them, knocking them down an

I certify that the above testimony was translated to the witness in his own langunge, prior to his

nature, which appears above.

trampling on them with their heavy boots. I thought at the tine that a couple would

es, AUHN was a lapport fuhrer and he was one

1944. At that

you ever see that Russian boy after he had been sent to the hospital

I have never seen him since.

years of Age. These boys of whom ’her* wore about 60 were ratter unruly and the

head man of the block made a report to the Rapportruhrar about thatr misbehavior

of the most brutal SS men

rer sg a cnej" •

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Testimony of ARTHUR HAULOT, taken at Dachau, Germany, at 1300 hours, 16 May 1945.

Toe 3 IsIDa M. ASrca 32 115 631, ACIT 6823, Bq. ETCUSA (J. A. Section) AFO 887, 8. 8

Arn appeared before the Investgator i&a!Ln»T as a reporter and was sworn by him in

the following form: *1^ mmear that you will faithfully perform the dotlee of reporter

in this investigation now being conducted by me, so help you God."

Mr. FREDANICK A. A. SANTI, Via Pacini 51, Milan, Italy, appered bafone the Inveetiga-

tor xaminer as an interpreter and was sworn by him asfollowe: "You swear that you

will truly interpret in this investigation now being conducted by me, so help you

God

Mr. HAULT appeared before the investigating Examiner and testified as follows!

G. Your name is Arthur Haulot, and you live at 2 nue des Lupine, Boistfort, Bruxelles

G. Mr. HAULT, we are asking an investi atlon as to the alleged cruelties and atroci­

ties committed by the SS while they operated the Dachau Prison Camp. Are you willing to

be sworn as a witness and tesfiry underalkged

oath, as to what you know about t ese/atrocities

and crueltles committed by the SS while they operated this prison camp? A

i. Do you understand the meaning of an oath? A

Q. Stand up, raise your right hand and be sworn. You, ARTHIP. HAULOT, do solemnly

swear that the evidence you shall give in this investigation now being c enducted by

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shall be Use truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

I do

4Q Mr. HAULT, how old are you? A

How long have you been a prisoner at Dachau? A

Q <then did you cone here? November 8, 1942

-Q You are of Belgian descent? A. Yes.

Q there been very xany Belgians confined as risoners at Dachau? Yea, about

900

Q they prisoners of war or political pr Isens:a? A. Political prisoners

Q. When you brought to Dachau •ad confined as a prlsoner? A. I was brought to

Dachau ah the 8th of November 1942

Mho was the Lager Kommandant at the tie that you arrived at achau? A,

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Q. By whom wee the Dachau Prison Camp operated at the time that y u arrived? A

Have the Ss alvays operated and managed and controlled the Dachau Prison Canp since

you have bsen bare? h,

Q.

Lxclusively SS.

toe many grisaners were confined at Dachau when you arrived here? A. 15,000.

Did the number of prisoners inerease after you arrived? A. Xeb, doubled.

About he. many prisoners were there here at tat the ammerican took theon the 29th of April, 19457 a, 32,00;

Abera were/assgnad t work at the achau Prison Camp? A At the beg nning I cid

not have any work at all. I cane here from “authaueen- X "as ill, with ty hue for two

mont,, and after that, I worked in the kitchen for 6) menthe. After that, X was ward -

a male nurse in the normal hospital, which later on becaue the typhus ward.

... to you know whether any experiments were perfumed for malaria and for phlegmone

the

the

th a

«ehav. A. Ies.

Did you work in the typhus nerdt A. -es•.hat, if anything, do you know ab at experinonts being erformed "

Cachau Priacn Camp?

malaria teat was

nd the

on prisoners at

I know of four difrerent experinents, the first of which,

Rusetan pris ners, after that, the e ompresaed air test,

test with phlegnons.

0

n 3

bow did you know that these experiments were being nade? *. I heard 11 from comt

races mho had been wrking at thase expeiental statiyou also hear it rrm some t tha rise ners s o had actually been operated

* las,ane experiment upon: A, /leven know boTe-

perferming these experiments? Dr. a CK. . Professor SCHIL-

LING.

q. I show you xhibit __ la the Dr. R and

about, are their name shoun as kumber 160 ane number

the or. SCHI 1G that you spoke

161 on page 5 of that Exhibit ?

Is that the AASC R az SCHI

experimets? h• lea.r s^a of your frLenes, wote rla ners,"xperimentee upon ‘ r "lari

Husetan frlencs.

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.. Tell us what happened to them? A, They got ther Injection. They were brought

into the wards, and there they were left with other patients. They received no

special troatment whatsoever. If they were strong en ugh, they managed to overcome

the effects ot their expericent. If they were too wezk, they had to succumb.

4. Hhat were the names of these three Rusolan frier s of yours who were expermented

upon for nalaria? A. I don’t remenber.

..'hen was it that these three Russian friends were experimented upon by HIILTNG

and HASCUH 17 A. Four months go.

. That happened to those three Russiuns?. A. Thase three Russians died four montha

ago, and I sitnessed their death myself. They had high fever, when they were brougat

into ne, into my ward. Ag they were officially recorded as typhus cases, they received

the treatment for typhus cases, after a while they died rom an ovordose of Pyramiden.

C. Who was the one that gave the Pyramnidon? A. Dr. SCHILLING gave the orders for

the Pyranidon to be given to these patients who died. /Ir these three prisoners were

being experimented on for malaria, why did they take then to the typhus ward? A. Io

camouflage their death.

Q. Khat nes the cause of their death" A, an overdose of ryrauidon.

Q, how many Aisoners were used by Dr. SCMILLING and RASCEN in making these malaria

experiments? A. Several hundreds, and there may be more.

Q. Can j describe the condition of some of these prisoners after they had been in­

oculated ane injects with malaria? A. They were in a very bad condition and had high

fever. They hud chills in their bodies. They had no appetite at all. They were very

weak. Kile in this conditi n, the experiments were continued.

a. Did a .re t number or prisoners, who were experimented upon for malaria, die? A.

Very many.

.. Did you Know jt. SCEILLING y urselfr A. I have seen him.

,. .as ; e already at Dachau when you firs cume here’ . Yes.

Q. How many Eelzlan prisoners have bcen pr cossed thr nch Pachau? A. 1,300 to

1,400 Belgians. 1

q. here they political prisoners or prisoners of war? A. Political prisoners.

Q. Drine what period have these 1,300 to 1,1.00 Belgian political pri • ner been

proce sed t rough Qachau? A. For a eri. of tac years.

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Belgian

500 at

hat

do you mean.sent away on trane ports

They

Do ye articular abo lied salt-nater experiment

Yes lr

ex SCHILLI G and a specialist

from th a

Did y contact rs who were subjected to the

as the salt-water

S if

receive 8 received ratlons

sa r d salt water

ese experimente were "ado t owers of resistance

the human be Ind could possess »

1thing but salt water. For

wer

weeK

that

eri

g but sal

e ones

receive nothing but salt water? Until they were in

ng the tim

eceive any food, r

i n mnetiaes

few biscuits receive or obtalr sthr food

would smug

from a mescali cactus.

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unconsclous

•at normal

weak. ThereQ. (Cont’d) experiment? A. Their dondition was very bad. They were very

sght was bad. Ther stomachs and internal organs did not function properly

and their whole internal aystem was disturbed. X st of the time, they were

and later on, when they were already on the way to Lmprovement and began to

food again, they began seriously to suffer from diamhea, and dysentery.

Q. Few how long a time w uld they remn unconsccus? A. They w id remain practic- two ar

11y unco asctous for/three days.

... .hen woo those experiments with salt water performed? A. Abe u five monthe ago.

). Bo you know of any other experimmte that were performed or tried upon prisoners

at the Dachau risen Camp? A. Yas, I know of another experiment they sale was a poli­

tical experlment, and that was that prisoners who were to be interrogated were served

drnks, int which one had mxed poison

q. Nho would administer this so-called

I know he was a Sturmbannfuhrer, and he

gained

cactus

was in

poison? A. I cannot rec* l hle name.

Stat in 5. I will try to find out his

name, I just forget it for the time being.

that was done to the prisoner after this trug was given to him? A. 1 took the

drug uyseir, and after a short ttmo, for a erid of about 2 hours I be an to see all

sorts f vi lent colors which de ne lose all control all over myself. It cost ee

incense mora1 exerti n t regain ny internal control. The physician trabannf uhrer

.anted se whether I thought it possibie testher a ran under the trfluence of this drug

would be willing t admit thIngs he did not commit.

. .hat was the purpese of this exporimat, if y-u know A. ro find such • potson I,

which sight sake a man lose contr 1 of his will, so that he would be willing to talk.

Do I understand that the real purpose of this drug was t cut down r curtall a

porn ns w Ul power? so that when that person was questioned by the S, that person would

ton thee whatever he knew, and even admdt the eom isei n of crimes or offenses which t

novar had committedz A. Tea, that is correct.

q. Can you give us an example f how this experinental drug arrected you’ •• After

I had taken this drug tbs ental patn was So great that I would have bee willing to

adnit anything, that I would have buen willing to ade.tt thit I had killed • mother and

father, and, if one had as ad me if X had killed Hitler, I would have said Too,- with ut

hesitation, nly to get peace.

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I had two glasses

To

g baaten to denth in Block 27 by the Block Chief-

who was beaten to deuth, la Block 27. A•

bcdy, and all over, vatll ha

thing I nould like to say is this:

. vhat was the csue of the death of thone 200

they camo from other extermination camps just an

Ho. was he beater. to death by this Block leader?

gtruck wit thts club in the mad, tace, and his

condition to oti

other 111rasees

been sent away on transports? -e

at the Dachau prison camps, since you

Belglans7 A. Somne of then 400" """

I did myyeer and they were in/bad

A Belgian officer,

th clubs. The pr

A"Host of thom died of typhus, some of dysentery, pneumonta, and

son. of gonorai at rvatten, and sone wore the vietime of beatine".

Mth Cognac.

Q. Do you k

Dachau

x. Do

Prison Camp, and the rest had died or had

you know about how man Belgians had died

ne here- A. Approximaty 200.

.hat other atrocity de you know of? A. Another - 6 -

you know whether or not Dr SChILLIG knew anything about this particular 626.

A. No, I don't know whether Dr. Schilling knew or not.

tsonaa a while ago that the . were only about 500 Belgior.s now at the

lognac with the doees. No. 15. That was the str nzest doM.

Toe did not kniw how large • dos. you took of the drug? A. Mo.

Kas tie ss physician’present when you took the dug’ A. Tea.Tell us *o all was proant when you were exgerimen/pon with this msecali drug'

A -ulona of mane, a political prisoner^ who was an attendant, the Sturmbannfuhror

q. How long did it take you to overcome comoletely the effects of this. drue7 A. 18

hours. Ths whole ngm after the experiment, 1 *• mad, stark raving 10 the

mornna l ask. up free bed very tired, physically, exhaustad, and with a neadnche- This

state lasted about two days. After this two days a was in a noraal condition again.

Q. Row many prlcorars were subjected to this experiment? A. About 10.Q. How did you happen to be axportmsntea upon? A. 1 voluntcered to take the expori-

mnt, because I wanted to know ey owe power. of rentatanos, and X wanted to keen the

value of this police method. y..2, this drug that was given to you a liquid? A. /It ‘was a lquld eolution ndxed

A. (Cont'a) men X was brought to the camp in 1942, m comrades and X "ere paced in

a -pca wetion for the naw arrival*. • were treated W badly, and brutally.

ne were beaten all the day. They were beaten during lunch,

up outside, *en they had to line up for roll call, all the

during sup er, beaten

time. were beaten by the

Block Leaders.

. What other real atrocity do you know of? A, Cne Um, daring the wlrter, we were

forcea to luave our quarters in th* earl momning to stand outside in the eold, in line

at attent on, tv two hours, insuericlently .M, and tarn, •• "e had not had “

Drooa. The result of it wae Mneos, eysenter7, and death.

as Lat youwouit to tell « about? A. n* of te "oret enanes ewe the ettacts on the man, by betng traated Uk< B Ut of antmalo, and wan a 100n of dignity at being hit and mtreated and not being able to, of oours retaliate in any way, ane had to subeit • 11 thee. Anatgntetes. • "ere alwyo being

, ill-treated ana kept dow like dogo without any poseibdlaty of retaliation or assert ng

nA own ersorality. it was not only th* acttal physical

brutal!tie. that have caused tha deatha of "an men, but a15o the "ora brutality.Toll w, mho do you think «as reeponetbie for 11 the brutalittee ane the erettto”

that you have Jul testiried abodt A. The 33 •m. i gagaa did this ss wear, *ho caused th... brutalitins. Old they "ear th.

naignlas of the Xaffen ss or the Skull and Boness . The Skull and Bones SS.

What do you understand, when we 5aJto Skull and Bones S5? A, As 1 am informed.

the Stall ana Bones ss were espectally forsed for Concentraticn Camps and Political

prisoners.

Can you gtve us ». MM. 92 boe of the s- *ho.coeudtted tnese —WdOM A. BAc,MPSRr, BeTaE, auad, zuna, TazuL, Iremebertcuxtespecially. X saw

him when he was stal Rapportfuhrer beatng end kicking prisoner

for no reason whatsoever.a rrGsa, also, sup rvised exocutions, as X heard.

a. Do I w.W.U.0 that tte 3 men. tna yo have "re t5 "o7 3“t.. .. . ,, Cw? .. mey vere am « the “rt brutal at the camp.

Now, la there anything ala* that you care to tell us? A, Ko

Testinony adjourned 1500 hours 16 May 194

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CHAVEZ, Jh., el > JAGD. ,4 l

Investigator-kxaminer.I certify that the above testimony was translated to the witness in hie own languuge, prior to hie signature which appears below.

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H4106-0144A

EHIBIT42Testimony of S1uoN SSBAN, taken at Dachau, Germany, at 1530

T** 5 James Lundy, 32355393, Hq 6th trey Gp, appeared before

hours on 22 May 1945

Ui* Investigator-

Exnminer as a reporter and was sworn by him in th* following form: "You snear that

you will faithfully perform the dutles of reporter in this investigation now bning

conducted by me, so help you God,"

Mr. Fred A. ’’anti, appeared as an interpreter and was sworn by the Investigator-

rxaminer in the following form "You swear that you will truly interpret in this

investigation now being conducted by me, so help you God."

Mr. SIMON SEBBAN appeared before the Investigator-Ixaniner and testified as

follow*t

That is your name. SIMON SEBBAN

What i* your address? #52 Rue Pigalle, Paris, 9, France

How old ar* you? A. I a* twenty-seven year* of age

Q. Go you understand the meaning of an oath? A. Tea.

q. We ar* investigating into th* atrocities and crelties committed against th*

prisoners of th* Lansberg Concentration Camps. 'ire you willing to take an oath

to tell us

Please

swear that

what you know eonooming that camp in which you were a psoner? A. T*s.

stand up, ralse your right hand, and be sworn. "Go you, SIM0N S5BBA

th* evidence you shall give in this investigation now being conducted

by me, shall be th* truth, th* whole truth, and nothing but th* truth, so help

you God." A. I do.

is th* address you have given your permanent address?

•her* were you pitted up?

Thy? A. Because I was a Jew,

have you been from th* time you wore picked up until you arrived at

landsberg7 A. First I was ixprisonad at Chalons sur uone. From

to Petevieu, Bon La Colonne, Drazy, and Auschitz where I remained

there I was sent

four years and

my number, 65793, was tatooed on ay left forearm in letters one inch blch. From

there I went to Narsaw, then to Kaufering, first in Lager 04 and then lager 47.

SILON SEBRAS bared his ‘left foreara and exhibited th* tatoo menttoredr,

showing an inverted triangle with the apex pointing down tatoood onei Lnch

below th* 7 in his number 65793

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q. mat was the duration ot your stay at Kauferingt A. Nine months altogether

being at Corp M tor olet months and in Camp 67 one month, the last month of my

stay there. I wan marched with the healthy detail from Camp #4 to Camp Allaoh on

27 April 1945.

. hat can you say as to the general conditions concernipg the brutalitien of ss upon prisonore at Camp Lz A. Un terfl ch arfuhrer TEand Obersturnfuhrer MI.

continunlly beat us each day with rubber batons. This occurred with such regular1t/

that it soomed unending. Moy secned to take great delight in beating us for no

reason at all. The greatest amnount of beatings were adeninistered to us when amp

a, can. a aick casnp and the healthy prisoners were transported to some other Icaap, namely. Comp #7.

a. Tore you ever whipped or in any other manner beaten by the 331 A On the day

that the wove ent of healthy prisoners from Canp 4 to Canp «7 was taking lace,

I was talking to a woman across the way from me. There was a dre fence separating and

us/bocause I was found talking to her I was shot in the palm of N hand b n

man, five timos. The majority of the shots ears out in the region of the knuckle

r my right index fingor. Dr. BLANK, the aedical doctor, was one of the most brutul

of the ss men in the camp, knotting that he managed to get into his hand would be

used to beat us.

. hat type of work did you perforn whon you were at Kauferingi A. I performed

general hard labor while at amp #L in cutting down trees, digging ditches in the

. that can you say as to the general living conditions at Camp 47 A. e had

not onough food to sustain life properly. e received a little bit of oof foe each

day, three fourths of a liter of soup, a piece of moldy green bread and once in a

hila some margarine. e huta the men were sleeping in were very crowded and the

man lay in filth covered wdthlice. Ne never washed our underwear and we did not

have roper facilities to clean ourselves, nor did we have sufficient time in whic

to do so if the opport init) resented itself.

. Mhy did you go to amp •7 A. Because I was wounded in my right hand and oou not use it to perform 1abor, I was s ippod to amp fl where I stayed for one aonth

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Our food was bad

huts were overcrowded and the men were covered with lice. Notwithstanding the fact

that typhus was prevalent we were required to pefform labor ourselves. I

had to perform labor by puding carts despite the fact that I had been proviously

injured and was sent to Canp #7 for this reason

What about th* conditions regarding physical beatings at this canp in compari-

son with 3 We were made to axercise the whole day for the slightest infrae-

tion of 33 rules, Ne were kicked in the stomach and back purely at th* whim of the

S guards

Can you give th* names of any of the 33 men that you know at Camp #7? A. de

£ many 33 men over us and I hover did know their nanes

than again I shall be able to recognize them by sight

Do you know how many camps oomprised th* camps at 1 endsborg? There were

eleven in all. I do not know the locations of them Ail knew then by was their

canp numbers one to eleven inclusive

How did you finally get from Landsberg to Allach? Th* order was given to

evacuate the camp. All of the healthy man were told that we were going to march

to the Tyrol. The 33 guards shot at us to get us to move quickly. It took us

actually four or five day* to march from Landsberg to Allach. Ever since I have

been at Allach

Do you have anything else to say concerning your treatment in either camp #4

A. I have given you a general picture of the

conditions of both amps. The beatings wore administered to us very regularly at

both camps, Th* food was bad but the worst of all was th* various marches we had

to make, especially the one from Landsberg to Allach. The 33 men and women abused

us beyond description and words while we marched. If a person collapsed he was shot

or beaten to death look at th* prisoners' faces and one could see

the effect of beatings on persons who lived in fear from day to day

Testimony adjourned at 1700 hours on 22 May 1945

Simon Sebban

ATTEST:

DAVID CHAVEZ,.Colone1,J.A..D.Investigator- Examiner

I certify that the above testimony was translated to the sitness in his own language, . rior to his signature, which appears above.

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, Ukon at Dachau, Germany at 13:00 hour* on 9 Way 1915

was aworn by him/the following form; "You swear that you will falthfully porform

the duties of reporter in this inventigtion now beng conducted by me, so belp

you God."

Pvt. Twin Boesch appeared as an intorpreter and was sworn by the Investigator-

Examiner in the fallowing formt "You ewear that you will interpret in this investi

gation now being conducted by so help you Cod," .

Puul Popp appeared bfo re the Investigutor-ixaminar and testiried as follows:

C. Bhat is your name? A, Paul Popp.Aushere-

Mhere do you expect to live? A. At/Shrlich Strasse 6151, Bamberg, Gernany

Q. Do you understand the waning of an oath? A. Tea

lease stand up, raise your right hand, and be sworn. "Do you, Paul Popp,

swear that the evidence you snail give in this investigation no* being conducted

by me, shall be the truth the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help

you Ood." A

on old are you? aa forty-six years of age

re you married? Yes, a widower with one child

Did y renman political arty at anytime? A. Yes, the Social

exocretie Part Nurem in

Did association with this party b into conflict with any of the

A

official Naai organisations? A. Tea, it did. " hen, together with other menbers

from Furamberg to Bamberg we were fl rod upon by

SB K raft e were able to escape and a few days later

rrested at Bamberg, trie ted and sent to Bayreuth, Bavaria for

tw re in jail.

Bazberg, that is, after serving this sentence, did you at

ar ed with the official Nazi party? A in 1935 .

olding mooting with members of the former Social Denocratic Party,

id due to this Act 1 was arrested by the mayor of

sent back to Rayreuth for another 14 months

then ecome a nr here in Dachau? A. In the beginning of

7 Germa ecre calling for the arrest of every memiber

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t Suchammaldrrom whore I was tranafeyt-ed to the Concsntration Lgor at Daenau

in 1939 dua to the closing of Dacnau I was sent to the -L. Camp at Haudhausen»

Austria, whare I rominod until 1941. Then achau re-opened I was transferred here

ana have been here ever since.

. Mt nas boon your duty aince your return to achau in 1941. A, 7 dutien

wora atoker in the dsinfecting plant until 1942 when I contmaeted typhus and opon-

ui Lotus (spinal disorder). I remnined in a plaster cast for one year and apparently

healod. I was returned to my old job as a stoker in a new capacity at the prisoner

compound bath in November 1944. I contracted double pneumonia while acting as a mle

muroo, being forced to taks other prisoners into a hot bath and after n return to

pb outside where it was very cold the midden change proved to be too such. I worked

as a male nurse for six months in Block #22 and was so working when I contracted

double pneuunonia.

Hase you aver had any physical mistreatment at the hands of the 33 Guards. A. Tes.

Q. Will you recite the varioun times that you have received this mistreatment, st ting

what instruants the 86 used? A. In 1942 I spen 52 days in solitary confinement

and during this confinement twice daily I was taken out under the ice cold showers.

I remained as long as 7 days without food, 5 days with only half rations being issued

and then the following eight days full rations weald be given. I spent my tine in

the hunker due to the fact that once while working with three other prisoners I re-

ceivad a shipaani of civilian clothing nade by Inglish tailors. During the process

of cleaning aome of these suits were removed by the 38 men. e were warned that if Rny investigation were sade of the rinsing garments and we told the truth of their

dtsap oaranco, they would beat us bloody dogs to death. I was mdotreated in the

bunkers for refusing to give true statemonts about the disappoarance of the aforesaid

suits. Once while digging a ditch aw the SS barracks we were detailed to a spot

widen contained utean amount of rocks. Since - couldn’t dig and remove rocks as

fast as the other men working in the softer ground, the S3 guards would cone over,

take our picks and shovels and beat us over the heads and snoulders. Onece whiledoing repair on the heating eystam in one of the offices of the Ein building in

paonau,syoune 38 guards watching E pulled out a brand new aroenang autonate pistol

ana told me that he is going to use the gun for a try-out because I re-resented a

wonderful target. with fdii not to fire at ne but regardless he did pull

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we both underwent eurgical operatione for the romoval of the bulletot UF to thio

daU these pains inntde my loft chest Still bother me becaune of tha shooting and

the operatlon. .

Q. Mr. Popp, wno there anything unusual that happened in this camp about the madal

of April 1915 coneornag Amarican avlators? A. Too, I will tell yeu what I haw seen.

About 12 days prior to the arrival of the Americano here at Caump Dachau at 2130 P--

I witnessed bombings by American planes and due to the fact that I am an aid-son an

I was allowed to remain out in the open, I saw one American plane being shot down.

Everybody in carp was happy because every prisoner thought that everythine in the

area would be bombad. I saw the first plane come towards the esap and all of a mudden

• it started out in nlans and disappeared out of sight. The second plane cane towards

the eamnp but lost part of its wing and fuselage and I noticed three men Jumping out

with chutes. The third plane that came near the pauap was hit, bursting out in flanes

and five men Jumped with their chutes. bout a half hour later I was able-to observe

a tall man, very good looking, with foil blond hair, wearing a very short leather

vast. He was accompandod by ss man BOBTTCR and some other high ranking officials.

The following day I was waiting near the death chamber of the cremator um in the

neighborhood of MLock #25 when PRAMZ QMI0ER, who wae working in tha erematordum,

said to m "Paul, I am used to cute a lot. We had to get up at 2:00 o'clock this

morning and wae taken here to the erematorium and aa they removed all guards somob y

brought in a stretcher with a nice looking tall blond man ‘'earing a short vest like

e a flier and it seeoed to ns as if he was moving his ars and head and his whole bo .

He didn’t seen qudto dead. I was working there with sone other fellows and SS nan

AosrrONLER - SS nan in chargec the aranatorium - told us to hurry up and get that

body into the oven and keep quiet about it."

Q. wasthat American flier burned alive that night still wearing his Avorican

uniform? A. Yes, he was burned in his uniform.

. ow do you know that these planes that you previously testified about were

Amarcan? A. As had an opera elass which some of our friends had previously stol n

fro. the SS hadquarters, taken apart and snuggled into the comoound pdece-by-pdeoo .

wow, .varytsme there was any onemy air activity, all ssmen would run ror cover, &ivi

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us the opportunity to use this glaes by sitting up in the ventilating shaft of our

building. Looking through the nl it* or the ventilator I could see the planes very

cloarly - could even count the personnel in each plane - and I saw thom white • looking

American stars.C SS-EXANINATIONby Captain CLIDE MALEER, Cross- xaninerA. ill you de oc ribo that person whan you stated was an American Tlier soon by you

that afternoon in the cazp? A, " e was a man about 6 feet tall, light blond hair,

healthy comploxion, perfect build and he wore a flier's vest of leather. . e wore

his - ants tied at the ankles but I don't recall the color.

Q. Is Franz G IGE still in this Concentration Camp of Dachau? A. loi was taken

along with two others who always worked in the crematorlum to some other place by the

33 just prior to the arrival of the American Troops. I do not know that place where

they took those men.

Q. I notice th t you have a scar on your left cheek bone. Dd you get that at

Camp Dachau? A. Yes, I did. There w.s a camp order that a man could have not more

than 20 mrks and one time an S wan sen relied me and found that I had 20 marks I

7 pfenning. Because I had more than these 20 arks 1 was severely beaten.

. Have you ever been hung by your wrists? A. es, five different times - once for

two ours and four times for one hour a piece. re tire while I was so hanging, the

Germans sigged their large logs

my face with their hot tongues

?o you nave any other scars

on me

on your

The dogs place their paws upon me and licked

body besides those on your face? A Yes

these scars that I nave in the palms of my hand were a used by 53 men making u* bold

lighted cigars until they burne out completely. If

D0 you

upon these

tences and

we dared to move before these

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cigars were completely burned we would severely beaten. e were just a group of men

chosen at random for their anusement

hese CO scars that I have on my left

e called ourselves the "human ashtrays".

orearm were inflicted upon me by a German SS

an who was trying out the cutting power of nis new knife

have anything more to say for this offical record

I could go on for days telling you of the eruel inhum in treatment that was inflicted

defenselass prisoners 11 « myself. e never did anytling to cause them

to beat us. It see s that they took great delight in nepely beating ue to satisfy

their own desires. I know that for a fact Jo IAIN KICK signed all of t e death nen-

UPTMAT and other men « 0 wor ed in the croratoriut carried

4

*11 of their personal jewelry in order to take it tor himself- I am a good -atnole

and I would not toll these things nor accuse any man unless I have seen them or knew

then to be true of my own knowledge. X know that God hdmnelr bears witness to all o

those and that he would strike no dead if they were hot true.

Testiwony adjourned at 15 100 hours on 9 May 1945»

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was translated to the witness in

is own langunge, prior to his

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Tentimony ar Amau neeu, taken at Dachau,, ermany, at 1600 hour*, 14 ay 1945

3 i i ■ . a sr R, 32 115 631, ICIT 6823, H- ET ' s (3 ectl'jn) A. 387

the Invastigat r- xamirer as » reporter and wae nworn

by hi2/0ha tollowing foru: "You swear that yum.’ faith re porf dutlee of

reporter in _hn investgutlon ncw being ounducted by ne, 80 hel 1 you

$/ gt. 33 625 383 IT 887

U. 3. ar-} » nim

apearu bef-re ll« Irvestigater xaniner ar an Interpreter atd ran »»-rn

by/as followd: You swear t at you mill truly interpret in thin investig it n n •

belng conducted 5 so help you od.

Mr. AB appeared bet r he Invertlgat r- xaniner and tostifled as follo"i

Your last nane is jArK • Yed

And y u c a fro* Bendzen, Suczeneka 5, olone 7 •

r we are sakingen Investi tien int th conditi ns atthe cu i p while under the turisaictian or the German , an" f t e alleged

atrocittar and crueltles by the are y u willing to be sworn an G witness

ana testify az t. what J r kn •e cenditions at Dachzu as to these al-

9

leged at c‘ tles a d crueltiet n the part f tbe Cerzanei Yes

Raise y ur rlght hana and be skorn

physienl 0 r

(witnevs coulc not stand up, due t "eakened

a, scleunly g, ar that. the tonti—n- : v a:

ab ut tij this nvestigati mn non belng unducted by/will be the truth the whole

I do 4heltruth, ard i

1945.'ir.ce April 2iuve you been at the Dacnav sn Casg?Ihree wecks and five G-jS—26

avar Lanr anotke

sirce august

have been in

a arrivedAt Birkenau

r quaren-Camp BLrke

9L,2 , 1

or *;

was an a Irs lane factory

ormans •4 inoc

beginn’ns of the war

tine

Kauffers ng

wher

fir ct by the

n in Kantra

rested?

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A. (Conera) only thr. xdlometere from «• auschwitz Camp. 1 *• stermived in BLrkonau, and twoweka later, castrated at Auschodtz-

q. When were you steriizedr A. on Septonber 2, 1943-q. When were you castrated? A. on septezber 16, 1943-

», won w. you atariasea? a. ‘ Ggfan peofsasor, he •" • cvtan, and *0"

namo I do St resember.

q. uhomwaa ue Camp operated at BArkenau? A. By the 3*.. 4 ... . , , was the cama operated at Auschwitz? A. Also by

Q. By what unit in the Gormen ann! «*■ - • S

ss, but I think under the Gestapo of Kattowit2

Lid yo coreas any erimiral offenee to warrant your being arreated erd e nfined* en carean . No, tbe Garmans aytestod, on septesyer 1**, thy U “etto:... /.ere ,o arrested by the Ocetapo? A. Gestapo OPPELN and xAr I. The nior the Gestapo was iriar-Aa ttowit».

s. to ,ou know why you were sterdlized and castrated? A. Thoy wanted t V.. partof my body for experimente•

ho. of Pages

. Did they ask yot t

Q. Have y u bean held

since these operations

agree to the opersti n that were performed upon you *• 8

in c nT inenent by the S3 ever since you were

were Formad upon you? A. I was--always

arrested and ever 9

Have you always been kept at 53 Concentration Canps? A

Tbe oriaan Canp at Birkenau, and the prison camp at Auachwit”,

opera bed byti S37 Both camps, which 1 mentioned, forned, dn

are they both

reality, one large

o

□

8hare were five large crematoriuns • n

ttnuously working at Birkenau, and tbe (1

not to poixetc prisonera, about • ich affairs were kept •1ply tar Jens who were. t random, to be destroyed there.

attached to the creuatorlune. It was qultert they hed built up those eremsn

toriums

..hat

a . rest number at rlaoners ' t to

mothod did the Germans ute tc kill

death at those can, el

these risoners? A.

put across

were first beaten, and then, "hen they were "

the necks, on shlch tw wan stesped on, so thatthe ground, a a tick "as

they were killed.

you tell U3 o aome r the atrscities or cruelties that were comritted at

.ihen a transport a rived, /women were seperate

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of people who were to remain alive had previounly been told to the S3 men in

also an 88 man, did not examine the younger man, but he just looked at them super-

ficially, and those whose looks he did not like were at onco taker. to the gas-

chambers the same night

Did they perform the same operation that they perf road upon you, u on other

Tea, it was done often, and I understand, oneprisoners at these two campat

fellow or one comrade of mine who unde went the sane operations is right here

were sterilised and the day

ar d castrated with reI was sterilised, there ware nine there sterilized

where you were sterilisedWhat were the general condtiona at these camps

bread and watery soup and slept on wooden pallets.

but, on the average, Auschwitz with Birkenau, and its other out-stations had ap-

proximately 80,000 to 90,000 prisoners.

Russians, French, Jews, Cnechs, and Slovaks

SS personnel who wereSS officers orDo you know the names of any of the

who were responsible fortwo camps, andresponsible for the conditions at these

the treatment that you received there?

fuhrerly res onsible for the bad conditions there.

@U

o8

A. I remember

(Contd) by the SS, which stood already in readiness. A certain percentage

in this camp. I understand that 50 transport

crematorium. The older men were then taken to the crema torium. The younger men

few young girls were expepted. The women and children were atones taken to the

terrible. We got a little

camp, and after four weeks a Doctor segregated them anew. This doctor, who was

and castrated? A. The conditions at Hrker.su were

the men were also killed at once. The surviving young men were taken inside the

these were at once all put on to motor cars, and so were the children. Only a

remained only if their number did not exceed the permitted percentage. Otherwise

fuhrer FRITSCH, who later on was camp leader in Plossenburg. That man was main-

Q. How many prisoners were there at these two camps? A. The figures changed

Charge. They selected from among the men the given percentage. As to the women.

. iChat was the nationality of those 80,000 or 90,000? A. Poles, Germans

the name of Obersturin-

AT - V Da n nATTIISTBDt

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DAVID CHAVZ, JR.,Colonel, 3ACD.,"

A. (Cent) was KALUK. I think he e from Poland.

Testimony adjcurned 1700, 14 May 1945.

I certify that the above testimon was ' translated to the witness in his own

language prior to' his signature which appear* above.

I

Testimony or HOLFE GAIBLINGER, taken at Dachau, Gormany, at 1300 hours on 22 May 1945

Tec 5 Jamnes Lundy, 32355293, H 6th Any Gp, appealed before the Investigator-

Rxaminer as a roporter and was sworn byhimintha following form: "You mar that

you will falthfully perform the duties of reporter in this investigation now being

conducted by, so holp you God." i

ur. Fred A. Santa, appeared as an interpretor and was sworn by the investigator-

■'Mswiner in the following for: "You swear that you will truly interpret in this

investigation now being conducted by m, so help you God."

Mr. ROLFB GEIBIINGER appeared before the Invest! gator-Rrsw! nor and testified as

followsI

G. What is your name? A. ROLFZ GKIML.IWGIA.

). How old are you? A. X an thirty-one years of age.

here is your hone? A. Cemnitz, Saxony. The street address is Margrave Strasse

n.

Q. Do you understand the meaning of an oath? A. Yes.

Q. We are investigating into the atrocities and cruelties committed by the Germans

in the Landsberg Concentration Camps, lould you be willing to take an oath to tell

us what you know for this official record. A. Yes.

Q. Please stand up, raise your right hand, and be sworn. "Do you, EOLFE GSIBLINGEA,

swear that the evidence you shall give in this investigatin now being conducted by

me, shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God."

A. I do.

. Is the address you have given your permanent address A. Yes.

1 . Thy were you picked up by the Germans and where? A. X was picked up in Cemnitz,

Saxony, by the Gestapo because I was half-Jewish and they considered me just as another Jew

and I had to wear the yellow star. I was forced to work with an S3 painter who gave

me the worse jobs like cleaning facades of buildings. I got the usual Jewish pm-

fesslona and .ne day, loosing my patience, I started to abuse the Nazi Government

and for this reason was arrested and imprisoned in a concentration lager until the

end of the war. *■

. Where and how long have you stayed in Concentration Campa? A. On the 7th August

1942 I was in Checnitz Prison and span; nine weeks there. After that I was nine

weeks in Auachwitz and was given the Jewish number 152368 which was tatoood in blue

letters 2 inch high on my upper left froarm. From Auschwitz I was sent to a camp

in “arsaw, Poland which was a Jewish ghetto where I stayed for one and a half years.

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A. (Conta.) Arom therw X was brought to Dachau for three weeks end from here I

was sent to Kaurering Caunp A and trom Kaufering to Camp Allach upon the arrival

of the americans.Q, Can you tell us anything about the trip from Narsaw to Dachau? A. os To

S3 men who were at lamp #4 later asked whether or not all of the prisoners could

walk. Sow of the Jewish people said they could not and were sent to the hospital,

fhass two as man threw hand greandos in among them killing all in the hospital.

It was this same muruwho machine gunned the 10,000 people in Lublin. Ne is

known by all to be one of the most ruthless killers in the 35 ranks. "e were re-

qalrod to march from Warsaw to Kushnow and TIMi’LS shot 280 of us • 9 could not

^snage to maroh. Transportfuhrer and also Hauptscharfuhrer KRAMLE did not allow

ue to have any water during the trip and many died enroute to Dachau. He even

went so far as to snoot any person who attempted to drink from any place whatsoever,

mhere were however some who managed to get a glass of water enroute by takdins their

own gold teeth from their mouths and bartering them with the S3 guards, so that

they might live. Of course it goes without saying that the S3 did everything they

could to kill and brutalise Jews on the way. The would come in the rail cars then-

selves and pull out our gold teeth with violence and even the prisoner capos would

also do the same. If there were any rioting at all on the train, the 38 guard shot

into us without the slightest hesitation. In my wagon we started out with 90 men

of which nine were either shot or killed.

Have you always been at Camp A in the Landsberg area? A. Ies. I bee am a

lager capo in Camp A then I was an overseer in a factory of Holzman in which there

were 1,300 slave laborers employed and then I became the camp head man of -amp 4.

\ I now show you exhadat FAIED 932 and ask you whether or not you can identify

any of the by-campa in the Landsberg areaz A. Yea, I know Hoe. 4 and 8.

q. wn you then mark on Exhbit mIED #32 the relative positions of Camp A and

Se,O

OJ LE

+°

Exhibit FRISD f 32

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eonduct and was detalled

tar the total conduct

risoners had to

administered before

MORGEKSTSaN personally

It was a rubber baton

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the

The first five montha we only had about fiftynine deaths but in the follouing six

then you beeaxe cam eldest were you responsible in any

conduct of all prisonere? I ms personally responsible

attention on the parade ground, I was given twenty-five lasnes by the S3 guards .

and the risoners had to stand at attention. In addition the

exercise on the parade ground until midnight. My whipping was

all the prisoners so that they could see the punishment administered to their eldest

for their alleged misbehavior. Also if a prisoner would cormmit somne small theft

I would personally arrange to punish the wrongdoer by glvng him * couple of slaps

on the face as a token sunishment. This was to avoid general mass panishment for

hat can you say as to the general zistreatment, if an, given to the prisoners

during the time that HORG 2 STNaN was ap commander?

never comitted any brutalities upon us, but his two underlings TEWPLS and LILSNZ

did everything they could to cause death and suffering among the Jewish prisonere

with either a lean or. wooden eenter. Iter the fifth or nixth stroke ahen this

baton waa used, ths skin was broken and there was blood drawn wi crever the next

stroke fell

Nas there anything else of interest concerning the we of this baton. The

crisoner who was being beaten had to count the strokes. If he failed to count in

Cerman or miscount he would be beaten until he could do so he misc ounted the

count of course would revert back to one

canp itself

and the camp conditions be

becane steadily worse as

ICHISDUNFS7

removed to some other camp except those who were La comomand of prisoners

transorta arrlved overcrowded and many dead among the arrivals

same steadily more intolerable and filty. Our rations

de received on

bat do you about the burning of Camp 74 onthe 25th of April 19457

24th of April 1945 we were told that the prisoners capable of walking would have

ruck to Switserland to the so called German

lieved this but as I was personally liked by all the men they came to me and asked

repared to leave whereupon 450 joined

should be lined up against the wall and shot,

.Jewish prisoners. Haupt scharfuhrer

me if I was going. I answered certainly

cleaner and better Germany. Jince this

dachange lamp. of course, nobody be

bread and once in a while a thia pie of sausage

was inadequate . He had insufficient medical supplies

JO -UP

often stated that all of the Jews in the

was a sick camp all the healthy Jews were

poor watery soup, no slice of green moldy

to leave the camp and march for sixty kilometers where they would be transported by

BLAMKE

8

that many men lingered, declared that after

our departure a aearch would be made and if anybody was found in the camp they would

be shot immediately. I asked him what would happen to the sick people and he replied

• e will find a way ou and at any rate the cazp will be burned

2053-EAIN xn ON by Captaln

camps at Landsberg burning

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sturmfuhrer K2aS.

uhat you aan say these mxhibital

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Q. Do you have anything mre to say for thia official record?

tell you of many beatings that were given to the Jews in this canp

taxa me weeks to recite all of the beatings that were given to us Keedless to

say they were given us with such regularity that it seemed as if they were unending

I, myself, as a exanple of this waa shot by MIIXNZ in 1943. lie pointed a gun

straight at me and since I realised that the shot was easing in N direction I

bent over. His ala wae bed and he hit the wall but the bullet ricocheted and hit

ay right shoulder blade. One last thing, when we started to march away from the

Landsberg camp all the prisoners started rioting, storsing the kitchen for food

NIEXIL started killing them by shooting and personally firing the camp itsalf

I know for a fact that it was RIEDELL who burned down Canp 74

Testimony adjourned at 1530 hours on 22 May 1945

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I certify that the above testimony waa tran slated to the witness in la own language, prior to his

signature, which appears above

1Testimony of AIEXI PROTASOW, taken at Dachau, Germany, at 1430 hours on 16 May 1945

by him in the following fort "You swear that you will faithfully perform the du-

ties of roporter in this investigation now being conducted by me, so help you God

Fvt Trwin Boesch, 42054817, Hq Sovonth Aruy, appeared as an interpreter and was sworn

by the Investig ator-x aminer in the following form: "You swear that you will truly

interpret in this investigation now being conducted by me, so help you God."

Ur. ALNXI PROTA3ON appeared before the Investigator-Examiner and testified as follows

Khat is your name?

1 a* twenty-six years of age

A ;y home is at Loningrad, Russia

Do you understand the maaning of an oath?

e are Investigating into the atrocities conmitted against the Zussians and

nationals of other countries. Are you willing to take an oath to tell the truth

about the things you have seen and heard about your sta at Dachau? A

Please stand up, raise your right hand, and be sworn. "Do you, ALXI FROTASOW

' Bwear that the evidence you shall give in this investigation now being conducted by

shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?"

A. I do

Do you intend to return to Leningrad after your release from Dachau? A. Yoa

J expost to live on Soviet Street #32, Leningrad, Russia

Are you in any way connected with the Russian Army A. Yes, I am a former

Russian officer with the rank of lieutenant

How did it happen that you came into the hands of the Samans I was wounded

bn 21 July 1941 by a machine gun bullet in my foot at a place 80 kilometers west of

Smolensk I hid out «ntil November of that year. hen I was taken prisoner

I was wearing ay Rusaian officers’ uniform and was taken as a prisoner of war by some

German soldiers. I was unarmed at of my capture and I have been in German

hands since that date

here did the German soldiers take you-; vacuated through normal pri-A

son«sr of war channels and arrived at Stalag XII in Buchenwald and remained there in

that Stalag for three years

chen did you come I cane to Dachau on 19 March 1944, after having

spent a short time in a labor gang near lunich

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Have you been at Dachau ever since?

factory assembly work on small machinery

ever been beaten.

sehidt works I

detail returned

parade grounds I

time l was told to

that I

Q. 111 you describe

Q. Have you yourself

Q• What have you done since you have been here'. A. In all of that time I did

these beatings? A. One day while working at the Moasor-

made a elight Mistake in my work and that ovening when the

Dachau, I was strapped to the large block in the center

was given twenty-five lashes with a cat-ofnine

give twenty-five lashes to some other prisoner

work

of the

tails.

I told

Another

the 33

would not punish him so, and they said that if I would not I would nave to

fifty lashes myself. After receiving these fifty laches tor failure to beat

one of my own countryen, I was stood against the wall, facing it, with my wrists

tied behind my back. Once during the three days that I stood there I was given a

small luce of bread. Thia was all that I received during those three days. Three

days before the Americans arrived a group of other Russians and myself, feeling that,

the American Troops would soon arrive, refused to work. As punishment we were forced

to slide around on our stomachs for one half a day, duck walk a portion of the day

and to fall face down

for our evening meal

on the earth. e were given as food for that day watery soup

e received neither food nor water during the day. I was a

- part of a work detail that worked at Laungen for three weeks. le also stayed there

I

and slept in the same room in which we worked, There was a louse inspection and

anyone who was found with either a live or dead louse on him would receive twenty-

five lashes first Then, he was eitherD A

thrown in ice cold water for two or three

hours or to assune a squatting position with arms extended and rained horizontally

for six hours. If anyone fell or moved frog this position, the S3 would merely lash

him back into it

as tills treatment comnon among your countrymen? A. Yes, it was the punishment

that was always meted out to the Russians times when the 33 beat us, every

cuss word always endd in Russian. -The 33 twk greatdelight, it seems to me, in

taking their vengeance out upon me and my countrymen.

. hat other forms of punishment were neted out to your countrymen? A. I have

seen many other Eusoian officers, formerly Prisoners of iar, who were like myself

reclassified by the Germans to polltical prisoners, beaten with clubs, sticks, butts

of rifles or anything that the Germana could get their h rule on. I have seen Ausean

officers.haneedby the wriats, used for malarla experiments, ice roesura and vacuum

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A. (Cont.) pressure experiments and generally mistreated in every manner con-

ceivabla, A typical example of German cruelty is that which was inflicted upon me by a

capo. This German political prisoner ordered me to wash his own sating bowl. I re­

plied that I was a Russian officer. He then beat me severely with a whip which all

capos had

CROSS-EAINATION by Captain CLYDE WAIXE, Cross-Examiner

Khat was your daily routine while you were here at Camp Dachau? A. I would have

to got up at 4:30 A.m. in ths mornng, make •y bod, wash myself and line up outside

in the street with •y shoes in my hands at 5:00 a.m, sharp to receiwmy coffee. I

would then put on my shoes and march off to the parade ground to stand the roll call

We would then be taken to the factory, double timing all the way, and work until 12:00

o'clock noon. We would have one liter of soup and rest for forty-five minutes, start*

ing to work again at 12:45. %e would quit again at 6:00 p.m. in the evening, double

time back to the camp, line up on the parade ground and stand another roll call which

always took between one and one and one half hours. Then we would be marched back to

our block and have our supper consisting of one slice of bread with one lite of soup

or a small piece of baloney or margarine. It was usually around 8:00 o'clock p.m.

when we had a little time for ourselves. At no tins at all was I ever allowed to walk

through the door of our barrack with my shoes on

Q. I notice that the ausalans generally have two sets of numbers tatooed with blue

ink. Gan you explain that? A. Since most of the Russians come from Auschwits, their

Prisoner of War number is tatooed on their left breast and their political prisoner

number on the upper part of the left forearm. Here at Dachau, all Russians, and only

Russians, had their heads shaved down the center from the forehead to the nape of the

neck so that they could be more easily identified, not in camp but in case they would

attempt to escape from camp.

Have you anything more to say for the record about the treatment given to the

Russians and Ruasian Prisoners of “ar, here at Dachau. A. Ko, nothing mors in detail.

I could tell you about the beatings, whippings and other fora of cruel treatment given

to us at ths hands of ths S3 guards. They seemed to take great delight in making life

as miserable as they could for myself and avy countrymen.Testimony adjourned at 1600 hours on 16 May 1945. .~-e

lei Frotazow

7DAVID CHAVEZ,.Colonel, J.A.G.D

I certify that the above testimony was tannslated to the witness in his own language, prior to his signature, which appears above.

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■0166EXHIBIT.A7

Testimony at JOHN OSNAID, taken at Dachau at 1300 hours on 17 May 1945

Tee 5 James Lundy, 32355293, He 6th Army Gp, appeared as a reporter and waa sworn

ties of reporter in this investigation now being conducted by me, so help you God."

JOHN OSNAID appeared before the Investigator-Ixaminer and testified withoutIrthe benefit of an interpreter as follows:

Do you understand Inglish? A

Q J01N PSTER 03MALD

by aim in the following fora: "You swear that you will faithfully perform the du

hat is your namo?

How old are your. A. 50 . ears of age

Q .here do you live. A. in Luxembourg. The street address is ash EschAlalleze

09, Rue des Remparts

Q ihat are you in civilan life; A. A Homan Catholic priest

'.here were you ordained? L, in the diocese of Luxerabourg

How long did you study for the priesthood. A. For nine years

Do you understand the meaning of an oath'. A

le are investigating into the atrocities and cruelties comitted by the SS men

upon the prisoners in Camp lachau. Are you willing to take an oath to tell us what

you know and what you have seen during your stay here A.

Please stand up, ralss your right hand, and be sworn. "Do you, JOHN OSKALD

swear that the evidence you shall give in this investigation now being conducted

by me, shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help

you God." A. I do

Shen did you first come t Dachau? n the 22nd of October 1942

have you been here ever since? A. Yes, always here in Dachau

■•'ere you quartered in any special barracka? A lea, in Block 126 of the

German priests. In that block there were Zussians French, Yugoslav, Czech and

other priests excepting Poles. The Polish prlests were all g rouped together in

Block 426

ave you had any cruel or inhumnan treatment noted out to you during your stay

here at Camp Jachau? A. Tea, in October 1942 I was a member of the death detail

it was conmon knowledge that we were all supposed to die. The job consisted of

digging in the ground with shovels anc picks so as to construct silos. e worked

in the winter time and were subjecto to a very severe winter that year of 1942

e were not allowed to take shelter neither iron rain, snow or wind, nor were we

1

[ ~ .0 - e ' ' ;• iallowed to dry or change our clothing- on this detail there only riesta, 80 in

' all - 70 Folash priouta and 10 of other natonalattes. After six weeks there were

only two Polish priests, one Luxesbourgian, one Hollander and two French priests.

They filled up the death detail again, this time with 76 Russians. At the end of

come two or three months, there were only ten left out of this new coumando. I

mas fortunate enough to live through the whole of the winter this way.

G. here you ever on any other details similar to the one you have just described?

A. Yes, J was on the standing cabbage detail. By this I mean all of the priests

had to stand in one spot and pass heads of cabbuge as in a water bucket brigade ■

to a plane where they were pak d for shipping. Since we were only on this detail

we were required by the S3 guards to eat only cabbages. Xany of the priests,

after eating nothing but cabbages for two or three days, died of dysentery. The

SS men would boat us very severely if we did not pasa the cabbages fast enough

to suit them. There was a capo who assisted the 3S by the nane of HUGO ZIER who

came from Krezmach in the Rhineland of Germany. This capo personally accounted

for the death of may priests. He would beat us with large sticks and 1 have seen

him personally account for three or four deaths per day.

Q. Were you ever chosen for the so-called experiments ? A. Yes, I was chosen

twice but was discarded because I was not a Polish priest. I have also been dis­

carded because I was a Luxembourgtan. Had I been a role I would have been sub­

jected to Dr. RASCHER’s axperinents and because I was from Luxembourg I was dis­

carded by Dr. SCHILIING because he only worked on Folish priests and therefore I

have never actually been used for these so-called exporiments. However. I can say

that theFlish personnel especially priests died from these e. perisents by the

• hundreda, in fact one half of the Poles now alive in this camp are victima of this

experimentation.

Q. How many Luxombourg priests were here in this camp when you were here? A. • e

were originally fifteen, noww are only seven - three were sent off in the in­

valid tranaports, the others died from flue and ill t rente Ant at the hands of the

83 and capos. None were admitted to the hospital for treatment.

Q. Were you ever on the so-called plantation detail'. A. Too. I was on the plant­

ation detail in the early part of 1944. There was an 15 commando fuhrer who made --

it Ms duty "to hound us to death." H made us race for two and one half miles at

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A. (Con*.) a time. After thnt we had to walk tn and up and dow rashion the

pomnandoz of th* day. Aa we would walk he would boat us with anything he could

gt in his hana. Other duys w would bo forond to push «hes carts of cemeet

just alnlossly about. Then we were pushing these around he would kick us and

boat us until we could hardly stand it. Also on this plantation others were taken

and were reeul od to dig in the ground. They had to kneel all the tin* with their

banks bent and their heads down. It was impossible for than to straighten their

bank at all to rest it under th* penalty of being shot by the 33 guards. I know

two Luxambroughn men who died while on this type of a detail. One nan by the nans

of OHIGE who was the general manager of the chief paper in Luxembours who died

from the flu was one and the other was a wan by the name of PIRBCHMDNDI, a priest,

who was slain by one of the ss guards because he rose up to rest his back.

• . I have heard talk about the grlests s oto museum. an you tell us about that/

A. Th* photos of g iests wore taken and placed in a gallery with a label "The

chief criminal of all commandoa." Two Roman priests from Luxembourg have had their

pictures in that gallery.

c. Did they have any dogs in any of the places where you worked* A. Yes, they

dogs upon the men in the plantation where I worked on the cabbage detail. I

personally was attacked by one of these mastifs who caught my hand and had it not

been for the fact that I had a glove on my hand I would have lost it. These 33 I

guards took great delight in sigging the dogs upon us.

Q. Can you name any of the 38 personnel who used to mistreatyou? A. Hauptschar-

fuhrer rznx*- he was especially known for the kickings, beating and tramplings

that he used to administer to us in tne compound. First lagerfuhrer HOFRMLANN - • he was ths biggest of the 33 brutes. Me porfozmed uhe worst oandshmante that

could be conceived by any person. It was he who personally performed the public

whippings on the blocks. I saw hie, to give an example of his ill treatment towards

priests, hang Fr. acHAI of Fadeborn by the wrists for one hour because HoFTMANN

said that the priest was too lazy.

caoss-IAMINATION by Captain CUDS nuxza, Grons-Examiner.Q. Have you anthing else to tell about for this official record aS to what hap­

pened to tne priests here at Dachau? A. The 33 guarde would do everything they

could to make the life of priesta as niaerable as posuible. They give us less

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H4106-0169

TTZST:

Colonel, 3.A.G.D. ‘I nves tigato r-lxamin er

A.(CowT•) food, poor euarters end had “8 working on the very heaviest ° the

labor datatas. I could go on at some length telling you of the great mm of

beatings administered to us, not only when we were out mi work details but also

H4106-0170

in this investigation now

■r. IREDNRICK A. A. SANTI, via Pacino 51, lilan, Italy, appeared before the Investigator

>i

Army, appeared before the

truly interpret in this Invaatigation now being conducted by me, so help you Cod.E

NRMAN nOSMER appesfed before the Invest, gator Exxaminer and testified as follows:

Q. Tour name is NORWN R SNEN?

And you live at Cracow, Poland Poselska 13, c/o PIOTR KUBAS? A

also centact me by writing my brother GEOROE ACSNLR, a famed concert pianist in low York

Vr. RCSKR, we are xaking an Investigation of some alleged atrocities which

perpetrated upon risoners while they were confined at the Dachau Prison Camp Are

you willing to be sworn and testify under oath as a witness as t what you know f

these alleged atrocties and the conditions that existed at the Tachau Prison

A.

Do you understand the □caning of an oath? A

Kindly stand up, raise your right hand and be sworn. You, NCRMA BCSKER

swear that the testimony you are ab. ut tc give in the investigation now being conductad

be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing byt the truth, so help you God?

I do

Mr. ACSN-R, as I understand, you have a brother, GLoRGE ROSNAR, who lives in Hew York

who is a pianist? A

At the beginning of January,

this year

Rave you been confined as a pris ner at Dachas since January? A

«hols time he has been here with me at Dachau?

ALEKANI AOSNER. He was born on the 5 th of February

«dms Mp#

-0171

Q. You are a violinst, as I understand? A I play the violn, ant 1 am an

orchestra leader

Q. Row old are youMhen were you firat arrosted, and by when? A. In 1940, in the ghetto of Cracow,

by the Gestapo

Q. ' Has your little boy also taken in Custody at that time? A. A few months after-

. Have you been held in confinement by the Germans since you were arrested by the

Cemans in 1940 in various prison camps? A. Tae, I have almys bean a prisoner since

then.

Where have you been oonfinedT A. The first place was Cracow-Plaszow This formerly

was a Jewish cemetery. The Germans plowed the cemetery up and built upon it a concen-

tration canp for Jews and, later on, it aerved also ror the Poles,

0. «hat is your nationality? A Pale

Aase the other canps where you have been eonfined? A in order they are--2. Hrun-

litz bei Zittau. 3. Gross-ionen Aus chwit z-Birkenau 5 Da et.au

bow ycu the first camp at Cracow-Plaszow? About two

How yeu the Bruniits Prison Cenp? A. Three nonths

How you CroseDosen? A. Three Months.

How long were did

you Auschwitz-BIrkenau? A. Six months.

When/ycu leave for the Dachau Prison Camp, and from where? A From Auechwitz in

December 1944.q. How many were there on the trans port between kuschwits Birkenau to Dachau with you

A. About 2,500•.. Heu did you sake the trip from Auschwitz to Dachau? A. • be- t- walk from

wits to Loslau on foot, whch is rsughly 100 kilometers. It took us two nights.

Then those prisoners who could not keep up with is column were shot. Then f

Loslau on open wagons, two days, until we reached Gross-iosen•

i. Do you knon how many prisoners were shot, who could not make the trip while you

were marching on foot? A. Houghly about S. Then from Gross-Rosen to Dachau in 7

. Bow long did it take you to make the trip from Gross-Rosen to Dachau in these rail-

2

H4106-0172

Bafore we were embarkad on the trains, we received the usual daily rations c onsist-

iece of bread

loft,— nly without further nourishment After fire days, the train stopped in the

a ed Cpose woman gave ue a or all paper bag containing a qarter of

twc thin el ices of breai jsurney, and, for

with it any further nourishment

□id any of the prisoners die who were on the trans rt with you, and mho made the

A. Ies

hat was the cause of their death? from lack because

we were packed, for instance, in ay ear, 117 persons.

led in y ur car n that trip? In ny car 11 died

ne tied

then, up in blankets and than on the roof of the car

packed with prisoners? A e were so packed that the

and

him

all

began to fight like beasts et a little air

to even snatch a little snow to

ans your little boy with you on

on a blanket on

wet their lips

this trip and in

roof of the car near

the offal was thrown out

understand, you hung Your little

ian who had died?

d your little boy la?

..hat was your little boy given as hie

A. Absolutely nothing

sane car? A, Ies, my son

a window, and through the same w

boy in a blanket in the tanner similar

IesA,/I gave the date of his birth.

। succeeded in getting a little snow

ittle snow

You and your little con have been kind on-ugh to let us take y u: ure this

afternoon. Do I understand that the German Gestapo took your little boy as a political

— — H4106-0173

(Cont’d)

in the Gorman

with me.

&hat kind

been confined

vand that they have had him corifined since

Prison Cgmps that you tore enumeratedt A, All the

- -- 1941* A, Tes.

that you have been... me aon hae heen

..

of duties has you Uttls boy been compelled to perfora while he ha”an a political prisoner by the a,man. 8s7 A. In Cracow he was in the

painter’s stop. At Hirkenau he was put in ths orchestra as he played the accordion,

to was also la a factory in Cracow mamufacturing brushes, uy little boy is a good

worker, aad he made about 30 brushes d day and acre than ones receive praises for

having nade tore than the quantity assigned to him.

). Mr. noswa, as I understand, all you family are mustcians, that is, you and your

wife and your three brothers? A. las, myseir and ny three brothers.Is your wite alive? A. I believe that she is nom alive in Russian oecupied tor-

ritory•

q. Tour little boy was about 62 years when he was taken with you and your wife by the

Gestapo? A. Tes.

Q. Had you committed any eriminal offense to have

you and putting you in * rison Cemp? A. Ho.

warrantea the Gestapo in arresting4 .03

Tere you arrested and o- nf ined because It was alleged that you have some Jewish

bloodT

Q. Store and when did you son sone children whs had been taken in custody and eon

fined by the German Ggata,o or W A. In the lnger of Cracov-nasaow. The ohatdren were first allowed to renatn with their parents, but afterwards they were put in a

spacal but called the children’s hut, and -ter on, in the moeth of Ausvat, they were

azcmlca on the parade ground fro morning until night and sent away. It was said

that they were to

10 boys fro* some

that they were to

be sent to a factory. On the parade ground, "15 ""

of the better class Jews, amongst which, was also ny son. After the parade ground, these children were sent away, and it was ansuzed ba sent to a basket factory. But, as a ratter of fact, we found out

afterwards, that these children had been gassed together with invalids, old people, men

I

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Q. low maar children did you see at the time thet you saw them at this parade groundt

A, About 500.

Q. ere they all boye? A. Girls and boys.

q. or what ages were those 500 boys and girlaz A. Vrom 2 years to 1$ years of age.

Q. Whan vat it that you say these 500 children who were confined by the S57 h, it

was last year in July 1944.

. By whoa were these children held in confinement? A, The 38 took them and put them

on care and everybody saw then when the/ left the camp. The Lager Komaandant was 53

Hauptsturnfuhrer AuON GTH. He became afraid that the prisoners, numbering about

12,000, would perhaps revolt easing these children being carried away, and order-4

Everybody to lie down on the ground, while they were taking the children away and the • coveredss immadiately/them with their rifles.

Q. Why were these children confined? A. They were the children of Jews who had been

arrested, and also of the Jewish doles in ths ghetto. The Lager Kommandant gave per-

mission that the children could stay with their parents.

Q. Do I understand you to testify that you know of your wn knowledge that small child­

ren who were held in confinement by the German 63 were compelled and forced to do work

in the factories and in the ghetto? A. The children were forced also to work in the

factories from the age of 10 years upwards. My boy also worked as I reported him as

older than he actually was.

G. Mr. ROSME&, do you remember an incident at Gracow when a baby was mistreated by

German 387 A. Yes.

When was that A. 1940.

Q. Just tell ua briefly abut that incident? A. The Jews in the ghetto had to pres-

ent themselves for work, and the SS took away and put on one side men who were grey-

haired or baldheaded, or too old to work, and were net sympathetic to them, and they were

imediately ahot. It also happened, and this X have seen myself, that women had chil­

dren in their arms. of course they could not war with children, and I saw an 13 soldier

take a child frm the arma of its motuer, draw his revolver, shot the child in the head,

and gave the body back to the fainting mother.

Testimony adjourned 1710, 16 Lay 1945. ' ____________NuMlOSN.a

ATTESTSD: . "I certify that the above testimony was trans-7 - . y lated to the witness in h's own language, priorCJa. Z c A—c.a-- t t his signature which appears above".

Investigator Jul -i nor

EXHIBIT-42Testimony of VLADIUIR DJEDO, taken at Dachau at 1300 hours on uny 1945.

Teo 5 James Lundy, 3235529, Hq 6th Amy Gp, apveared before the investigator*

"xaniner as a reporter and was sworn by him in the following form: WYou swear that

you will faithfully perform the duties of reporter in this investigation now being

donducted by »e, bo help you Cod,

Mr. . ohn s. ton, 28 Dome Hall, almers Green, London, ngland, appeared as an

interpreter and was swum by the Invest ieator-!xan nor in the following form: •You

owear that you will truly interpret in this investigation now being conducted by

m, «o help you God."

Vr• VLIMIR DJ8DO appeared before the Invest! rator-Examiner and testified as follows:

. That is your nane? A. VLADIMIR DJEO.

■hat is your address? A. Hoom 35, House d3, Proletaryon Street 125, Roatov

Do you understand the meaning of an oath'. A. Tea

Mr. NEDO, we are investigating war orimes and atrocitien supponedly comnitted

lould you be willing to take an oath and testify under oath as to

what you have observed while you have been at the Dachau Concentration Camp: A.Yes.

. Please stand up, raise your right hand, and be sworn. "Do you, vLADIa Da DO,

swear that the evidence you shall give in this invostigation nor being conduntod by

me, shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God

A. I do.

.. Is the address you have given above the Me one in which we could contact you

at a later date? A. Tea.

D Where were you born and what La your nationality? A, I om a Rusalan born in

Roatov,

A. 22 years

. Fow long have you boon in Dachau Concentration Camp? One year and two months

Why were you sent here? Icama here from another camp on a work detail

I do not romenber the name of the piece

. How did the Germans happen to get you? A. I was taken by the Germans as a

prisoner of war. I as a member of the Busstan Navy and was on a shore patrol when

the Gormana entered Taganorog- veryor e, no waiter vho thoy wore, was defending the town in fire fightathat followed the entry of the Ger ans. I was captured and taken

to a camp in Krasnogar rom which I escaped.

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A. (Con.) Kostov wdhre ay nose is and upon being challenged by a German policeman

in the street I hit him: I wa taken to the Qestapo Hoadquarters in Rostov where

I was Interrogated and immediately sent to Hatzwei lor. This was an extermination

camp at the time which was about Oatober 1942. After being shipped to Dachau just

fourtoon monthe ago, I joined the dussian group here in the compound and have been

here ever sine*

. 1 hat was your treatment at Dachau? A. I

the SS and the capoa beat me simply bacause I

was badly beaten. Ihen I arrived here

was a Russian

Do you know the names of any of thou? A No, they are all looked alike to ma:

'hat did they do to you? The second day in the canp I was clubbed soveroly

with rifle butts which SS men And Rapportfuhrer uhom I had novor aeen before nor

have ' seen them since. I do not know their namen.

fhy were you beaten? I was on a detail pusing a wagon and was too weak

to do my share and the guards rosent clubbed me with their rifle butts

hat was the result of thia A. I had internal pains and injuries and ay body

was markod and bruisod. I was blooding above my left where rifle butts had hit

me in the head,

Did you undergo any other abusive treatment? A Kot innediately bozause I was

taken to the hospital

. Old you 30° anything of interest in the hospital;

capo by the nemo of J in BSSK X,who seamed to be inA, A certan German

charge of the ward 1 was in

would beat the patients for the slightest thing that irritated him. I have soon

him beat prisoners in the hospital for nothing more thah that they would cross with

their wooden shoes, zaking a notes upon the floor,

art isle and club the man, trying his best to knock

BLCKMR would grab the nearest

the peraon unconscious and he

generally did

Did you see anything else in the hospital .1

hen, how many and what were the circunstanceat

have seen patients killed.

I saw the last casualty

.art yoAr• It seems there was an exporimental atation in the block whare I worked

as a nurse - Experimental Station 05. ilore they made exporiments with freozing water

for the German tuftwaffe. me day I saw a mar. onter the ward and while on trie door

stop, he collapsed and died st ortly thereafter. That was the first victim I saw whose

internal organs had been injured by this cold water experimant. This used to go on

the whole day. They never earn back, or, if they did return they died a few days later

I can say that all the deatha 1 aawwere ths results of those Lutfwarf. axporimantu

and toots. a -------2

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ner

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sick WK f the risoner 7 was goo • but

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kill

by th

What isQ.

How old 25 years old

Q

Strasse 15

9

Q

to take an

heard?

■

Because I was a Jew

I came to

ahen

at Landshut ;

I

that you will faithfully perfora the dutles of reporter in this investigaton now

Mr. John Ashton, appeared as an interpreter and was sworn by the Investigator-

"You awear that you will truly interpret la this

HRMACHER STATTLSR appeared before the Investigator-Examiner and testifiod as

follows:

your name? A. UHRMACHER STATTLEa

in Josniwitz, Poland. The street address is Mark

Do you understand the nooning of an oath' A. Tes.

We are investigating into the atrocities and cruelties committed

upon the prisoners hero at Dachau and the by canps

oath to tell us for the official record that which you know and have

Q. Please stand up, raise your right hand, and be sworn. "Do you,

STATTLR, swear that the evidence you shall give in this investigation now facing

conducted by me, shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

first cone to Dachau and to one of its by campo

of Dachau, towards the end of December 1941.

This as-

sistance was increased

Hy father and my brother died in Dachau

The S3 interfered with our work and

take off their

to punish prisoners for no reason whatsoever. They made the prisoners

Scharfuhrer HEDBBCHEL beat us with rubber batons If we got

The prisoners had to

stretch out his hands and he would receive lashes thereon

morning at 4:30 a.m. and stand at attention for two hours until the factory opened

This cauaed 300 out of 500 prisoners to die within five weeks. Everybody had

were beaten by HEISCHEL until they either died there or died later on in a hospital

The nodical staff at the caap had nothing to work with, neither instruments or

Instead of three meals a day we only had two. In the end the factory

where we worked began to complain that the prisoners were of no use because they were

in too bad a physical condition for work. So they took one half of the rations from

the patients in the hospital and this was distributed amongst those prisoners who were

.ere there any other nationalities except Jews?

How were

The electric

your living conditions at this camnp during the winter timeT A. It was

lights were turned out . All the wood we managed to get hold of and

which we had

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Iandshut?

Q.

shipped to

at Dachau?

siak ones arethey are sent to luhldorf but the

sent to the hospital quarantine here

than

at Dachau. Since my brother and my father were

being sent to the hospital I feigned sickness so that I might come with them and be

Q. Have you anything else to say for ths official record A, Tea. Before I came

to the by camp of Landshut I was at the by canp of Kaufering. There at that camp

they had only Jewish prisoners with Geman capos I personally saw these Geman

6s boat on an average of ton to fifteen men to death each day with short clubs

These capos would also hold public hangings however, that vith the com-

ing of the Anericans, the prisoners themselves probably killed these Geman capos.

at least that is ny understanding now. I could tell you in great detail of the num-

ber of beatins, whippings and kickings that we received Ln these camps buto do so

would be merely to multply one beating by the number of Jewish prisoners in tiiat

camp. Needless to say we received a sound thrashing each day at the hands of the

guards or the German capos

Testimony adjourned at 1430 hours on 13 May 1945

Uhrnacher Stettler

AVE,Jr./Colonel, J.A.G.. V Investigator-Ex aminer

I certify that the above testimony was translated to the wtness in

i nature

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Tosttmany of NIKOLAOS KAFKCUTSOS, taken at Dachau, Germany, 1400 hours, 20 May 1945.

Tee 3 ISIDOn 1. ASTOR 32 115 631, wcrr 6823, Hq. ETOUSA (3. A. Section) APO 887, V. S

Amy, appeared before the Investigator Examner as a reporter and was sworn by him

in the following form: You swear that you will faithfully, perfcrn the duties of

reporter in this investigation now being conducted by me, 8o help you God.”

a/Sgt. ®S 3. GALLOS, 12 050 839, KCIT 6823, H. STOUSA (J. A. Section) AFC 887, 4, 3

Army , appeared before the investigator Examiner as an interpreter and was sworn by

him as follows: «Y,u swear that you will truly interpret in this investigation now

Deing conducted by me, so help you God."

Mr. *1 kg tans KAFKOUrSOS appeared before the Investi at' r-Examiner and testified as

follows:

Tour nans is NIKOLA08 KAFKCUTSOST A. Ies.

q. Mr. KAFKOUT3Os, we are making an investigation of the conditions at the DachauPrison Camp, and of the alleged atrocities committed by the German S3 in the ope at n

of this Prison Camp, Are you willing to be sworn in as a witness to these atrocities

and cruelties and testify as to these conditions? A. I am. C£

Q

Q

Do you understand the meaning of an oath? A

Stand up, raise your right hand and besworn

Yes.q

You, NIKOLAOS KAFKOUTSOS do

golemny swear that the testimony you are about to give in the investigation DOW being

inducted by me, will be the truth and nothing but the truth to

help you God? A. I do

Q. How old are you? A

And your

Have you

permanent address is 51 Diarhiou, Athens, Greece?

been a prisoner at the Dachau Prison Camp’ A, I

an officer in the Army of Greece?

Have you r a political prisoner here at the Dachau

uniform of the Creek Army at the time that you were ca tured in

Albania?

then were ya captured by the Germans in Albania? I was captured by the Italians

3 Larch 1940 in Albaala.

q. then were you brought to the Dachau Prison Camp? 22 Bept ember 1943.

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traneferred or evacuated fron Buchennald to

Tho was in charge

M

10.

A, (Conf

H:

daring the latter part of • ri' 19*57 *

a, ahat date was it whan y a left the Buchenwald

Do you

MMight cars were open and ethers were closed.

4. How many prisons re were there on the transport when you not

Those 4,50 men were prisoners, or not'

Rusolans, Greeks, Italiana, French, Jews, Belgians, ane Gomans.

About how any Greeks were there on that trans port

Ie the prison at Buchenwald also run by Ue SS7 A,

from Buchen-

a that a Lager Coneentraticn rrieon eimilar to Dachau A. There are severel Lagers

which conetitute the Buchenwald Frison Camp

That

train or coaches started moving to Dachau: The transport left Duchonvald at approxi

mately 7 P.K. on

-'hon did the transpofron Duchen-

weld arrived at the 31approximately

11:00 A

About how an, ra IIrcad cars or coache A. Between

70 and 80 freight caram thi- ra 41 -ea & rizht into the "Schon

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A.

.. Mar. u. prinsnars given any Eood ratLons befors they atarted the triP "ueS

.14 1. U.AU7 A. PrLor to 1oaving Buenenwald, we -r. given approxiately

K,ra you givan any water or coffee or tea before the tri or during the tript

, Prior to leaving Buchenwald, we

given to us during the trip.the

Q. Do I understand then, that/only

half a .ar of blackbreadt

xere a t given anything to

food that was given to the

Q. the size

Describe

half • loaf

on the

the freight ear

ink and nothing was

prisoners for this trip

of bread? A, Approxinately 4" * 5"•

a proximately the same in depth as

railroad car that you were on? A.

It was la width

80

whare you and these 80 pria ners nade the trip from Puchen-Q

The oar ths t we were on was a closed freight ear. dhen the

80 of us were put on the car, it was sealed. The floor was made of wood in • bare

condition. facilities to defecate, and it became necessary foreach oca in the elosed freight car to defecate where he was, because of the ovar-

cromded cmnaltlan which made it imposalbi for us to mox• around. The venti lation in the freight care -s that *te wee apparently sade by vualets, and it wee

very close and erowded in the car •. Did you have ansug rose In the car, so that you euld stretch ut oh the fl o

st night and ccap?a.ot only could we not stretch out, but we were practicll on

top of one another, and had t kneel and to crouch down sitting on the heels of cur

. .. in a deep knee bending ponition. e did toot have en ugh rocm to sit donn

You

9. P a CD

we folded our hande around cur knoed•

have testified that the trip c. encna from Buchezoale at 707-. 00

26th of

How

April 1945? A. Teb Sir.

long did it take for the 4,500 prisoners

into the rUl~4^.T a. thay started gottang us on t o1925, ana an MIM that day taken in getttng the prt~~r. UU the

ears. This process continued until 7:00 P..,of April

wald

ipril 19457 A Sir

Q. Has any food given to you for lunch or for dinner on the 26th of April? A. No, Sir

Q. Then, if I understand you correctly, the half loaf of bread that you have testified

about was given to you and each prisoner on the 27th of April, and that was to serve

you for the entire trip? A.

^hat was the phnical c ndition of the prisoners who were loaded on to the transport

at Buchenwald to make the trip to Dachau? A. Naif dead from hunger, weakness, and

illness, and maltreatment

ivon to the prisoners at the Buchenwald Prison

Camp generally? A. In the morning we were given a cup of black coffee and a slice of

bread. At noon we were given approximately

froa the left over scraps which was left by

one liter of sour

the $

ledge after having worked for one or two days in the kitchen. For supper we were 100

given approximately grams/of margarene and ne slice of bread.

That was Ue food ration that you and the other prisoners who made this trip had

at Buchenwald on the 25th of April 1945? A. That was the ration received on the 25th

of April 1945, and prior thereto

that there were 80 prisoners in your railroad car that started from Buchenwald

those 30 prisoners completed the trip and arrived at Dachau alive? Ap-

45 arrived alive at Dachau . iho survived

Then 35 risorers who were in your car died between the time that you ? eft Buchen-

wald and the time that you arrived at the sidtng at the Dachau

ahat was the cause of the death of these 35 priseners vho died in this car?

due to starvaton, and the other

at the Siding of the Dachau Friscn Camp, SS men cane into the freight

upon arrival

holding iron

bars measuring approximately ij feet l length and beat many prisoners, even to death

hen l law the people in the frei ght car being beaten by the S3 I immediately jumped ut

and took oover in one of the other freight cars.

Approximately how meny prisoners out of the 4,500, who survi ved

Wore than 900 arrived alive at Dachau, I don't

think much more

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cars when you arrived at the railroad siding at the Dacbau Frioon?

nana us tLe ears. and after the beatings had taken place, those o

died n the trip, or were beaten

They laft them in the freight cars at the ldine

the transport arrived at Duchau? A. Saturday mor: log at 11 o'sleekAt 5 minutes

to 5 P.M., on Sunday / pri 29, the Amaricans arrtved at Dachau Concentration Ca"P

You have testifed that the transport arrived at the Dachau railway siding adjoin ng

and within the achau Frisen Cump at about 11:C0 AM or April 28th, 1945?

lore the prisoners who were on this transport taken ut of the cars as boon as you ar-

11 o’clock in the

cars at the siding of

A, Noy they didn't leave the freight

e remained in the boxears together

with those who had died and they took us out of the freight cars at 8 o’clock on the

morning of the 29th April 1945

Q. Then, SD.chau

understand you, and the other

and wh survived, nere removed and

day April

only we

1945, the sane day that the Americans took over

a ken out of the cars in the morning of the 29th

the Dachau Caap?

and the Agercans arrived

t 5 minutes to 5 P.M. that ease afternoon.

Did you hear firing during the afternoon and right of the 28th of April and during t

day of the 29 th befors zericans cahe? Sir. Very close

3, what was the physlcal

wb did survive, and finally arrived at •e achau nrioon ""

suvivoa the Nuchenwala trip were in a deplorable hyoical oonditi r

. have testified that those who survived the trip were taker. t

Those of us who

care and marched into the compound

that the $p roxinately 10 .M, on the morn ng of the 2

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A FCont‘“) • eroup ef eporoadinately 40 or 50 prisonere. #e were the last group t. l»

l Awte "adine at the Dachau Caep t t te u. erpound. I t soup 1 a, thru. (

th prieoners la front of me collapecd ana the M guard dcndne ue ante ehe com-

pound "de " ttempt to «ive ald, but, inatead kieked tm, and pasted themto tte side

of the road. Gn Me my Toe tte atdine at taehau to the oompound, a atetanc. or

“prv-Ltel 4On, I saw between 15 and 20 bodies 1ying on the tide or the road.

• Mere these priwonera, whene bodies you vaw on the side ot the mad, part the

• “ • who had mnde ta trip from Buehemmia to Dachau? A. ne bodies that were strem

at the side of the road were part of tte survivors who were ear eted from the aiding at

Dachau to the eompound. I eoua se• fron xtere I was 8tending, people colkapskng, and

being teatea and abused by the 38 aurlng the mareh.

• Tou -enttosd that 10 tracks an—ne.d the trip Etos tuchensela. fow eacy of those

tea are “live today’ A. T of us survived the trip. The other 9 died. uy comrace,

the Other vurviving Grcek la, at present, la the hospital here at Tachau. He was

uarantined four days after arrivel at tachau, and I do not know whether he is alive

or dead, aince we are not permitted t g into the quarantined area.

* #o" an Grseks were captured with you and eonfined by the Cermans, when you were

captured in Albania' A. only two of us were ea tured, but not by the Garmuns. .

were taken prisoners by the Italians.Q. hen were you turned ver to the Germane? A. The Italians turned/over to the Oer-

wane on or about the 22nd of Se tamber 1943. Four days later we arrived at Dachau.

. fete there othr prisoners of war who were br ught with you to the Dgchau

noon Caup? A. There were 44 Greek soldiers who were br ught to the Dachau Prison.

de were prisonera of war and not political primners. ae were wearing British

unirorus.

-- Bow did it happen that you were wsaring British unirorne? A. --- personal

clothing could not be replaced, and the Fed Cross in Englana sent us British uni-

force.

- Did you notify the Gomans when you were taken into custody by thus that you were

Soldier, and, having been captured by the Italians, that you were entitled to be

treated an prisonera of war under thevel recognized rules of wartare? a. ahan we were eaptured An Albania as prisoners of war, wo, a group of U, were taken

to Italy, and ware ordered to plow fields aug_other sundry duties of like nature.

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could not accept this order. Ke were then tried by an Italian military court, and

sentenced to three years imprisonment. After this onviction, they took us to a

jail InTurin, Italy, where we remained for a period of 22 months. From there we were

taken to another jail in Beschiera, Italy, where we remained for two montha. After

that time, we were turned over to the Gusrmans, who turned us over to the Dachau Prison

Camp. Upon arrival at Dachau, one of the ven in the group, by the name of

GECRG& KONTOJANIS, told the authorities at Dachau that we were taken prisoners of

war by the Italians in Albania, and should be treated as such. During all this time,

we were still in British uniform. We were then placed in Block Mo. 27, and our British

uniforms were taken from us, and civilian clothes were substituted instead. However,

we wars not given a regular political prisoner haircut. For a period of 2 months

we were forbidden to leave our block. Sometime during the month of November 1943,

the group of 44 was called out and a letter was read to us. The German authorities

at Dachau had requested a clarification from Berlin as to our status and the reply

was as follows; That, since we had been tried and found guilty of ♦sabotage» in our

trial at Turin, our status was still that of PW, but we were to be placed in the

catecory of "Saboteurs". The very same day, we were given the same haircut given

to the other political prisoners here at D,chau.

Q• I show you exhibits "I",’

them and tell us what they are? A

•1", "O","P", and will ask you if you can identify

Tas, these/pictures of the railroad cars at the

railroad aiding at the Dachau Prisn showing the bodies of prisoners who

on the trip that I have testified about.

Q. I want to direct your specific attention to Fxhibit "K" and will ask

can remember anything in particular when you look at that picture? A. :

died

you if you

hibit "K" I recognise the man those legs are hanging over the side or the boxcar just

which is open. The person whose legs are ~anging over the aide la the neaom l ner_

sonall picked up fro. the aide of the car at the sldirg at Dachau ana placed him

back and int the bootcar in the positicn as showm in Exhibit "K*. At that time-

I was about to pick this man up, and S3 man came along, and kicked me in the side

and then kicked the man eh un in Exhibi) "I" in the side and around the head. she

ths M man left, I picked this man up, who was not dead, but gasping for breath,

and placed him in the osition shown in Exhbit "K*. I had, on several occasion

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A. (Cont.) leaving Buchenvala spoken to this individna• I do

not know his name, but from the conversation thatI hsd with him in

German, I believe that he was a Jew.Q. About what time was it shem this incident that you have Just

related took place? A. At wproximately 8:00 A.M. on the 29th of

April 1945, just prior to the time that we were brought fro® the

siding at Dachau to the CompoundQ* is inhibit *1” a true and correot reresentation of the physioal

foots as they appeared on the morning of the 29th of April, when you

placea that person inside the boxoar? A. It is exactly as I saw it

on the morning of the 29th.

q. I call your specric attention to Exhibit "J" and *111 ask you

if that la the transport composed of railroad ears that brought you

and the others from Buchenwala to Dachau, about which transport yov

have testified? A. Ies, I can identify that as being the freight

ears which brought us to the Concentration Comp at Dachau.q. c,n you recognise definitely the Exh1bats "I”, ”0”, "P" and "L"?

A. Yes, I recognise too, the clothing worn by the people, particular­

ly the striped uniform in these exhibits as being the type worn by

prisoners at Buchenwald, and who made the trip to Dachau. They are

piotures of the prisoners who died on the trip from Buchenwald to

the Dachau Concentration Camp.

q. • Do these Exhibits correctly show the actual physical facts as

they appeared at the time the pictures were taken, showins the dead

bodies of these prisoners ho died on the trip from Buchenvald to

Dachau? A. Yes, this is a true representation, and I can say this,

beceuse when I was marched from my boxcar, I had to pass the other

ones along the way and I noticed the bodies lying in the boxcars.

Testimony adjourned at 1530 hours, on 20 May 1945.

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A• (Gonte) leaving Buchenwata spoken

not know his name, but from the convorention thot1 had with him in

this indviea

• About what time was it when this ncident that you hero just

related took plocet A. At wproximntay 8:00 A.M. on the 29th of

Apr1l 1915, just prior to the time that we were brought from the

siding at Dachau to the Compouna.

to Mi lb it "K" a true and correot reresentation of the physicalfacto as they app oared on the morning of the 29th of Apr1l, vhen you

place that person Innide the boxear? A. It is exantly as I Baw it

on

Q.

the morning of the 29th.

1 0*11 yov specific attention to exhibit "y" md will nek you

if that is the transport composed of railroad cars that brought yov

and the others from Buchenvala to Dechau, ‘about shiah transport you

have testifle? Yes, I oan 1dentify that as being the freipht

ears which brpught us to the Concentration Cemp at Dnchnu

Q. Gan you recognize definitely the me2bats "I", wP" andh. Yes, I recognize too, the clothing worn by the peopt., parttaar-

ly the striped wniform in these oohhiMte as being the type worn by

prisonero nt Buchenwald, and who made the trio to nachw. They are

pietures of the prisoners who died on the trio from ‘nuchenwaa

the Dachmu Concentration Com.

Q• D these dibits co meetly show the aotua phystoal f nats

they appeared at the time the pietures were taken, Slovine the

bodies of these prisoners ho Had on the trip from Bchenwaadeadto

Dache? Yao, thie la a true reprenentation, and I can Say

beomse when I was marched from my boxcar, I had to pass the othor

ones along the way end I noticed the bodies lying in the boxonra.

Testimony adjourned at 1530 hours, on 20 M,y 1915.

8

noon on the

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were rounded Up for transport

pistol and machine gun firing

O’ oc6 W

88c co

-wr-H“ of "ICXOLAS KAVxofsos, at Dnchau, Germany at 1300 houre MM om qa. , g

Tee 5 James Luady, 3255293, Eq 6th Apw Op, appeared as a roporter and was sworn

by him in the following form: "You emoar that you wn raathmunzy perform the au-

ties of reporter in this Anvostgation now being conducted by ma, so help you God,

P" "in Boesch, 42054917, Hq Seventh kny, as an interpreter and was som

by the Investigator-'xamin-r in the folloming formt "You -ear that you trulyinterpret in this investigation now being conducted by me, so help you God.»

r. LAS KArKoTe 8 appeared before the Investigator- examiner and testified as

follown:

. Kr• H T3 S, I desire to remind you that you are st1l under oath. Ie there

enythtng else that you desire to testity about in connection witn the conditions or .

any atrocities that were perpetrated by the Oerman as at the prison canp, in Dachau. A 1 have nothing further to add in so far as Dachau is concerned but I would like

to relate an incident that occurred on the 25th of March wnch was one day prior to

• leaving the prison camp at Buchenwald. At approximately 1200 hours

25th of March in and around the surrounding lager at Buchenwald approximtely 800

prisoners were rounded up for a transport. They were accomupantod out of the lager

by S8 troops who were carrying in addition to their aldearms machine pistole. At

approximtely 1315 hours on the same day 350 of the original 900 returned. luring

the one hour and fifteen minutes they were gone 1 heard continuous Mring of rifles,

datols and nachine gun firing which lasted approxim tely about 5-10 minutes. I

inquired from several of the prisoners as to what had happened and they told me they

were attacked by Russlane. At 1230 houre in night approximtely 450 moro prisoners

bout 20 minutes after departure I again heard rifle

None of the 450 pri sanera taken from DuchenwaldeverTstumnedr I wish to state too that I knew many people both in the first chipment that

went out at 1200 hours noon and also at 1230 hours p.m. and Erom that day to the date

of this atatement I have never seen or heard trom any of them.

.. "r. xArxoTSCB, teli ua now did it hapoen that you were at Buchenwald taring Ue

month of April 19457 A. n or about the 17th of ‘arch 1945 I was shipped from Laugen

to *2 lager at Buchennald where j worked in the construction of one of tn. buildings

Q• Ho would it tave been possible for the transport that you speak of to bo attacked

by Ruseians. Were there nny huasians in the vicinity of Buchenwald that you know of?

A. I don’t know how this would be possiblo and I have never heard of or have personal

knowledge of any Russlan troopa in the vicinity.

Q. Was it conmonly known among the prisoners that the story of being attacked by the

Russiane was just a camourlage and an untruth and used by the Germans as an excuse?

A. The story circulated anonge t the p

guised thenselves in Russian uniforuas

they had comnitted.

Tectimony adjourned at 25:30 an 20 May

1 Boners was to the effect that 33 men dis-

in order to absolve the SS from the crime which

Colonel, J.A.G.D. ' Investigator- xaminer

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investiga ting

by German SS upon prisoners of war

oath and testify as to what you knew of these conditions

course, yes.

address where we may be able to locate you later on in case it becomes

you and where did you study for the priesthood? I am 37 years old

an oath? A, Of

28, 1945. He are also

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Testimony of “ANION DABnOTSNI, taken at Dachau, Germany 13 May 1945, 16c0 hours.

Tec 3 ISIDOR x. UM, 32 115 631, ucr 6823, k. ETOUSA (3. A. Section) Apo 8e7

hla in the following form: "You ewear that you will faithfully perform the duties of

reporter in this investigation now being conducted by ae, so help you God."

S/Sgt. ALTAED . LAURLNCZ, 3J 625 383, 1016823, H. ETOUSA (J. A. Section) APo 887,

0. 8. rmy, appeared before the Investigator Txaminer as an Ante preter and was sworn

by him as follows i "You swear that you will truly interpret in this investigation

now being conducted by me, so help you God."

Mr. MAAICN DAEaOSKI appeared before the Investigator-Zxaminer and testified as follows:

Q. Tour name is MARI N DABROTISKI? A. Teo

. Ton are a Roman Catholic priest? A

Q. Father DABRCNSKI, we are making an investigation of the conditions of the Dachau

Prison Camp, when it was under the jurisdiction of the German S3 prior to the

time the Americans took this camp over on April

some alleged atrocities and cruelties committea

and political prisoners. A.

Q.

and

Are you willing to take an

these alleged atrocities?

Do you know the meaning of

dill you kindly stand up, raise your right hand and be sworn. Tou, MARION DABU ISKI

do solemnly swear that the evidence you shall give in this investigation now Ming

conducted by me shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so

help you God? A. I do.

Do I understand, Father, that your address is Kapuziner Str.

Is that the

necessary?

Q. How Id

and I studied four years in France and four years in Rome.

Mhen were you ordained as a priest? A. In 1932 in home on March 1926.

G

G• Mhere were you arrested originallyt

Cenp? A. July J, 1942

in Marsaw.

G "hat erime or erfonse did you commit to warrant the Gestapo taking yeu in custody

and arresting y u? A. I was accused at having been in charge of a printing press

d ta print anti* propraganda. That was on a fabricated

In reality I was arrested simply as a nt the Polsh

irtelligentaia

nected with a printing press far A1legal propaganda in Tarsaw, as I had been living

in Lublin, yet I was arrested cm that account.

1. .7ar« theze other fellah prisoners 1 the transport, in which you were brought to

Dachau? 4. There ware 65 P_l1ah priests all togethar on the trans -ort Alate took

us from Auschwitz to Dachau,

S- How many prioners ware there at Dachau whan you arrved in 19437 A

1,,000,

Perhape

• Aero there other Catholic priest* Confined in pris n at Dachau at the

arrived? A. Very many, more than a thousand.

Approximately how bany Cath lie priests have been confined at Dachau?

gethr about 1,700.

you

All to-

Are these 1,700 priests in the Dachau prison today? A. Approximately 900 died.Mhat was the cause of thelr death? A. I would say most of them dled from hunger and

over work, also from diesase contracted nhile working in

out sufticlent protection and many died fron phlegnone.

tortured to death.

the very cold wsather with-

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lere you permdtted to say mass or perform any of tha rituals of four roligion while

¥ou were a prisoner at Dachau? A. In the boginning we were not permitted to say

Maas, only German priests ccu id follow their religious obltgationa. thanever a Polish

priest at that tine was cauaht praying er etying the rosary, fa nan beaten up. The

last few monthe before the arrival of the Kmer leans, Polish priests also were parait-

Qto attend Catholic daM, in the Dachau Trison Cap.

How mar German priests were there la the Dachau Camp? A. Approximately 20) to

Cerman Cathslic priests.

Q Do l und rstand, that only tha German Cathalle prlesta ware ermitted to attend Mass

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A, Yes.

Q. Mew did It happen that the Qgrman Uatholic priests were permitted t have the regu-

lar Catholie services in the Dachau camp? A. X have bo exact kn wledge. I understand

that the Cardinal of Munich, one, PATLHBTB, in connection with the Pope, and other

German Bishops and Arch-Bishops obtained the right fcr German Catholic prieste to

be treated as priests and to perform religious ceremonis. de cath lie riests,

however, were treated like criminals.that

G. Do I under stand /one German priest would Bay Masa and the other German orlests

would just attend Mass? A. Yos.

Q. About how any priasts, both German, Polish, and other nationalities riests were

at the Tuchau Casp 29 April 19457 A. approxinately 7 5 P lish priests were at that

day, when the Americans arrkved, at ‘achau.

4. How zany Ceman Catholic priests were there at that achau Carp? A. About 20 to

25. All the Gernan Eatholic priests had been sent away on trans orts.

G. Ie Cardinal Fat LABIR in Munich today? A. Yes, I und or stand his residence after

the great b ombardment of Lunich, is actually in Preysig, near Munich. lunich Palace

has been destroyed.

a. Mere you ioliah priests treated just like the other priests at Dachau? A. Yes,

only that we were even more ill-treated.

4. In what way were you 11-treated? A. After the evening roll call, when the other

prisoners were allowed to return to their block, te had to sarch and exercise. hen

there was a hard task, special work, to be done, the work was given to Polish priests,

also had the special privilege to serve as victim for malarla experimenta. •

also had to do unday work, and work without the extra bread.

Q. khat were soma of the hard tasks that you were compelled to do? A.

snow atu vellirg or hard work on rainy days was our especlal task.

G. Tere yov forded to subait to the malaria.experiaent while you were a

Dachau? A. Yes, three time by mosquitoes and once by an injecti en of

malaria patient.

a. Did you volunteer ar offer /cureelf in this experment? A. Never.q. low did it nappen that these exper \ments perrormed up n you?

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as easier to have a word, and ; rotest against

our general treatment. They were not of-

(Cozd’d) through the camp secretarics offic. At that statin, prisners who wereH—on lets were told to present the nases of 100 prisoners for the malaria injecti ns

These coamunlsta aald that the priesta are the most useless among the pris mners, so

w prlests were told that 100 of us had to go forward to get the malaria injectiens

The hundred names were ftidily chosen from among the priests by alphebet

Rer 103 Catholic yriesto forced to subuit to the malaria experimenta? A

dere you given an opportunity to proteat being bubjected to this ex per iae int T

At the beginning a protest would have

ficlally allowed to lodge a protest. It

further ax eriments

Q. Vid the rotest de you any wpod7 A, In ay oun case, and that of one of my fellow

priests, the pretest was successful, and I escaped a fifth injection, after Ue fourth o•l had. I know, however , in many she s, a pretest was useless even at that tins. A

S’. What result did this malaria Injection have upon you, and the ether riests who cwere subjected to nalaria Injectiona? A. At first we got a fever for about three hours.

-After three hours, we felt extremely cold and started shaking with cold. Than the fe­

ver started again, and the whole process deatinuod sometimes for as many as nine days. Polish

My onn brother, who is also a/priest, and is still in this camp, had, for nine dayB,

daily higher fever, as high as 41 or 42 cantigrees. Generally they wore in a very bad

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state of health and there were several cases of death, e

Q. Over what period of ties were you subjected to these four experiments? A.

They began the axperiment on me in Decomber 1942 and the last was back in June of

1943.

“ "ho perforved these eperlenta uwn you and the other ieste” A. That was 58

Obergruppenfuhrer, professor SCHILLING.

Q. Did Dr; SCHILLING every tell you by whose order he was making these ex ermente?

A. No, be never said anything to us. He treated us like dogs. hen I protested to

Tlr. scuu IG in person, I tried, at rirst, to talk French to him, because he knew that

language, and it is easier f r me than to talk eHaan. he told me, in fact, he stopped

as at once, and said, "In this camp we speak in German!" When, after that, I protested

in Cernan language against further experiments on a body, he said, "You have do right

wd1 he for Novertheless I kopt on Prtestng

Cennander later on that, every t1me

appear with at ta1l at the bosrital

l just related are exact.

q. Upon haw mawy prisomers did Pr•

e tend about 1,100•

.. mat uoula you say ir 1 weie

Lnoculated eoe 2,000 prisomera?

exportmenting bad started before

to

A

did yu Hiret cozeDecamber 1942

I under-

comnitte u on you or

Dr. scuLLI0 manted me at tie bompdtel, 1 bad “ at bin atsponal. I have witnees that the facts

SCRLLLING perfors those experlmonts

tell you that *r. scm--- “cmh-" "

Yee, that figure nay be exact, beeause his

I arrived In this Map.

Eontact with Tr. SCHILLIHOT A,

the other atrocities that were

uon other Catholie priesta or other prleonars in general? •

beaten al it

abot other

prisonersbathhouse by

rista and sttcks, and kieked, and beaten to death I also know

axperiments, such as phlogmone worlowta porformed upon defeneelos8I have soen prisoners after thez had hanged ron the beam n the

their wista or arter heo receive from 25 Coz 50) •trobea.

ntea v. torture they had undergone. X also notdthet w1' "eand hanged in this cemj

priests Yas, very nany priesta were

•here.

and

shot. D

it0s<t>

tranoote, and 1 undorstana they were kned by «••• thougb 1 do not “00"definitely, that people on those "nvaltd transports died, becaue. 5

, tuo stadente of "J owD, * "516 ‘ died at Dachau, and their fazlies wrote te

Hsh ;that a

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knew that thne month earlier by an inval Id

transport

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la the e a

Do you know where the Dungeon is here? •

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Do you know of cases whhre Catholic prissts were hanged by the wrst at

Dachau? A, Ies, X know eases like that, for instance, the case of another one of

Q. Do fM think it would be a fair statement to say that at the Dachau Prison Camp

the Catholic priests of Foland were subjoctod to tho mm crueltes and atrcitlos

as were perpetrated upon other prisoners, as these atrocities and cruelties are

know, to the prisoners confined here at Dachau? A. Fhysically, ur bad treatment

was the sana as that of all other prisoners, but morally, we suffered even more

because we were contnually Injrod by bad wards and called nanes.

of prisoners died enroute f or lack of food? A. Too, I heard of such trans orts by

one of y prisoner friends. That sen was a personal friend of nine. He wee a prisoner

wit: me at tha uschwita camp and was sent to Buchenwald, when I was sent to Dachau

He arrived here by a transport which left uchenwald 6,000 men strong, of which 2,100

arrived here alive

Q. hat became of th se uho had not arrived alive at Dachau? A. Those prisoners

died from exhaustion or were shot. I would like to menti n that one fellow priest

of mine told me that, f r three days, they received, as food, one boiled and one raw

potato , and no water at all. The trans ort lasted all together for three weeks ard

thay marched all the tine.hat

. / as the oonditi n of the men wh did survive that trip? a. There state was pitiful.

They are hardly able to walk. They could net digest any food, and they showed all

kinds of traces of beatlngs, and bad treatments

Did Some of the prisonera who survived that trip die after they arrived at Dachau?

A could nA be saved even aftar they were treated for their disease

Did prisoners-die rrequently in the blocks From typhus dysentery, phlegmone or

other diseases? Many died in the blocks, and they received nc drugs and madical

aid whatsoever so to say, because there was n medlcine available

Q father, who were responsihle far

the atrocities that yon have testfod about A. Eauptsturmfuhrer nET? IT

sturmbann fuhrer UEISS, . berscharfuhrer ThnaKI. Untarstrum-

fuhrer AU/‘T!R, Fauptoturmfuhrer FE This last man worked at the 53 school as

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remember nany more SS men, but their names escape me right now.

•V that every member of the SS who operated the Dachau prison Canp from the Lager

ko mandant and each and every department, including the political department, that is

to say, every S8 orricer, and every enlisted man who was associated with thedopera-

tion of the Dachau Prison Camp, are responsible for the atrocities and the conditions

last month, some old Reichwehr or old German Army sen uho were unfit for combat duty

original

sure of

a German victory, the treatment was more horrible*than during the last month

oertain improvements took place

during the last three months suffered themselves from hunger

part of the prisoners bread rati n, and hoped to impress prisoners with their good­

ness for favorable testimony, because they felt by now sure that Germany was going to

treatment of the orisoners, and the food, they received

did not improve, dit it? Because as a matter of fact

even the 33 did not have enoughko eat, then your foodif, what you say, is true, and

conditi ne, hygiene, food, and lodging grew worse and worse to the very last weeks

Only the moral treatment showed some improvement

early part of the war? A I spoke particularly of the non-commissione

did not show the same extent of arrogance and abuse that they had shown when they

thought they going to acquire not only all of urope, but all the world, during the

and the living conditi ns, that

over this camp, the SS knew that they were beaten, and they knew it, and therefore

(Cant'd) as instructor, and was particularly brutal to sprisoners. I could

would not consider responsible for the atrocities. AU others, especially all

SS are responsible. I would add that, until 1944, when the SS was 100 percent

lose the wa , and they were terribly afraid of the allies, especially of the Russians

Q. What improvements? You received the same food ration didn't you? A. The

Q. Father, would you say that from your own personal experience of what atrocities and it

cruelties seen at Dachau and from what other prisonere have told you, that/is correct

ration during the last three months got worse? A. That is correct, the hysical

which existed at Dachau? I would say every one of them with one except! n. During the

Off Here. The Officers were even just more brutal, as they were before, because they -7-

Q. In other words you mean, that, during the last three months, before we took

were given SS uniforms and were put in charge of some of te blocks. Thcse men I

Q. But After, in so far as the

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A. (Cont'd) knew their game was lost. H

Q. Can you give us th* names of th* old aray soldiers As were wsed as 33 personnel

a d whom you feel are not responsible for the cruelues and atrocitis at Dachau? H

A, I regret I do not knew their names. ■

3. Kere they ofricers or enlisted men? A. They were enlisted men. I

Q. “ere they non-coms or just privatea? A. I would say they were an non-commissionea

offioers bocause every soldler in th* German army at thitime had some rating. B

Q. About how mary of the old German arny personnel were there that you f**l are fl

not responeible? A. All together about seven. fl

G. And these seven war* at th* Dachau Camp when th* Americans took th* camp over on fl had not fl

th* 29th of April 19457 A. I believe that they/stayed to that day. The SS departed I

them, because they d id not think them trustworthy, three or four weeks before th* l

Americans arrived. IChess EXAIOINATICN ar captain CLIDE L. WALKER: IQ. Father, is there anything else that you would like to tell us? A. I would like I

Give statistical proof for my testimony yesterday. There were exactly 846 Catholic

Polish priests who died in this camp. 794 Roman Catholic Polish priests lved th*

day when the' Americans entered this camp. 260 Polish priests were sent out on inval­

id transports and never returned. Those transports contained altogether 5,000 prie-

oners approximately- They started on May 6, 1942, and the last one* left in October1942. Nobody ever returned ha those transports. As to the number of non-Polish Cath--

olic Priests, there were approximately 450 since 1940. Of that number, approximately

100 died. 41 German priests w re still in the carp when the Amaricans arrited, but

that figure includes 11 Austrians and 4 Germans from Caechoslovakia, who were brought

among the German priests into this camp. A* to the malaria experiment*, 200 Polish

Priests received injections, and were subjected to this experiment, and 21 died From

the immediate causes of the malaria experiments. 40 Polish priests were subjected

and had to undergo the phlegmone experiments. 11 of them died. I would like to give

the name of LEON MICHALOTSKI. He is one of the few living victims of the experiments

conducted by the German Luftwaffe in connection with cola water experiments.

Q. Do you know one--MAHION JUZKCTSKI?. A. Tea.I

Q. Xs be a orisoner at the Dachau Casp? A. Ies.

Q. X what department or section did JUZKOWSK: work at Dachau? A. in the Political

Department. M

Q. Dld you have • conversatlcn with JUZKONSKI bometime ago with reforence t the

execution of invalide in a gas-chamber7 A, Yes.

q. Then did ycu have that converaation? A. About few weeks ago.

q. There? A. Here at Gachau.

a. Khat did JUZKOWSKI toll you, if arythingt a. he told me, that, while working

at ths Political Departmant, be read avd bad to bum a rop ort of killing of prisaners

in gas-chasbera at other Geran Concontration Camps, where they had sent ar invalid

transport froa Dachau. That record, had, over the signature f an 35 Doctor, the last

namo, first none, and birthday of the gas-chamber victime with the exact time in

minutes which that non had te spend in the gas-charber before that man was dead.

We Did JuzxossKI toll that he read that report in the Political De artmuent at

Dachau? A. Tea.

G. Tas he relating to you what he had read in that report? A. Yes, he ever told me

that he foune, para tingly, of the death of no of his Church supari re, who died In

that fashion.

a. X n to that you quoted figures and that you are reading a memorandum that you have

in your hand. ’here did you obtain the figures that you have given us? A. de ob-

tainod these figures froa personal ae ounts of fellow priests who live in our bleak,

who worked in the different departments and got to set up as man stastical facte as

possible for tte investigation you are carrying out here.

.. Now, Father. I leave this to your own censcience: who, would you say, nas res­

ponsible f r the death of these Cath lie priests, and the death of the thousands of

prisonera who died in the Dachau Gamp during the tine that you have been confined hero',

A. The s and the whole ay a ter who established the lan that evoryone who would not

follow their ideology nas to be condemed to a concentration camp sentence.

q. Do you mean, that, primarily responsible for those atrocities and e ndit no at

Dachau were the 33 officers and enlisted men, who operated the camp, together with the

Folitical or Gestapo sectionz A. Yes.

Q. And, secondly, do you feel that the entire SS personnel, and 3S nysten.or those who

were map nsibla for the ah locale onfinezent of prisoners in thseboncetdration camps

are reop nsible?

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Yec, and all Germans, who declared their solidarity for that eyotem

AW MARION DAEQASKI

DAVI Vsz,J.,yr Cole el, J.Gn.,4 ( Invest igator- Exuminer.

I certify that the above test!* cny was tranalatod t the witness in his cwn language, prior to hie signature

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Testimony of XUNZST LAXIL/A, taken in Dachau, Germany, at 0830 houre, 17 Hay 1945.

Toe 3 1S1Da v. aSTa, 32 115 631, WCH 6823, Hq. ETOUSA (J. A. Section) AP 887,

u. s. Army, • pearod before the Investigator- Examiner aa a reporter and eat sworn by

him in the following form "You swear that you will faithfully perfor- tbe duties of

reportor in this investigati n now being conducted by no, so help you God."

Mr. LAmER appeared before the Investigator ausadiaer and testified as f Homi

q. Tour name is EunSr tamua A. Ies.Vienna,

Q. And you live at Merer in Wein 25, Valentingaase 5»/Austria? A, Tss. old

Q. Mr. LANlR, we are making an investigation of alleged cruelties and atrocities com-

ait ted by the German ss while they wore operating the Pachau Prison Gamp. He are also )

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conducting an investigation as to the conditions which existed prior

the Aserican forces cam on April 29, 1945. Are you willing to take $fy as to what you know about these alleged atrocities and cruelties?

c. Do you know the Meaning of an oath? A. Yes, Sir.

Q. You can speak and understand English? A. Ies, Sir.

to the tme that

an oath and testi-

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Q. Stand up, raise your right hand, and be sworn. Xou, MGLST LANMB, do solemnly

swear that the evidence you shall give in this Investigati n now being conducted by

ma shall be tha truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

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A. I do.

Q. ur. Lanuza, you have given us another address, that of Lady RCZIK AVTHSCHXD,

Landon, though whom you believe we might be able to locate you in case you are needed

later on? A

Q

Yes., you are and have been a prisoner confined at the Dachau Prison Canp

the German SS? A. On 15 June 1940.

n the‘15th June 1940.

4Rare you c nfined by th Germans at some other prison or prison camp prior to the

tine that you cane to Dachau in 1940•

A. I sas arrested the 5th of March 1949, put La the Gestapo prison in Vienna, and

from the Gestapo prison in Vienna I came, to Dachau.

•bet

Mhat

(tech lo vak

ia zour occupation or profession? A. Saak official

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the Dachau rise

kJ was Lager Xo maneant, but

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Nho are now in London

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Nhat, if any, criminal orfense did you commit to warrant being arrested by the lar

mans and confined? A. Mo. X didn't io vnything. X was arrested for sheltering Mr

BULIITT

Do I understand, hr. LAMMLR, that, from October 1931, to Septeabar lik2, in Vienna,

you lot Hr, MILLIAM BULLITT have the use of your apartment an

you were suspected evidently, of some act and, for that reason, you were arrested

and confined? A

'das there any other reason? I was xarried to an nglish girl. Anather reason

And you believe that, for those reasons, you were arrest d?

As I understand, Mr. BULLITT stayed with you in Vienna, that was

Moscow, in m2, became the United States Ambaasador at the remlin

certainlyDuke of

Is your wife related to the/BUCCLEUCH7

Did you come in • large transport and with

left Vienna, we were about 100, ant

Ne came about 500

indant of

Hauptsturmfuhrer ZILL

o you knew his flrat name?

in Munich

Distantly related

before he left for

is that correct?

ther prisonere to Dachau* Ehen we

understand that,later, ZILL became Sturmbannfuhrer?

How long was ZILL the Lager Kommandant?

Be cane, I think, in Augast 1942,

but I can't know when he left

the Schutzhaftlagerfuhrer?

of the Lager Komgandant? That was WEITER

Ko mandant prior to ZIIL? A

he was here efore X came

f the

I was told that

oraannel that were connected

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BSCK, Scharfuhrer BECK

tle better than the there

have been here? A, The worse Blneit f khror wo had was

had the inspection of the Blocks. And than N EnuAxN. You

Ne *s also a greatly hated person. JAB9HI—he was a it-

Thea there were JuuO,‘maKL, LIPPA2K. LIPrANN is

booand Shoeake by profecal a. BLArransrEi, KUH,BoTrG., momuAPnL, NIP,RTT

aT, they were La successors of 21,. Then there were CAXPa, wurrzar.

Q The last Schutzhaft-lagerfuhrer

Q. The other S3 personnel that you have sent la nod, they have been on duty at the Dachau

Prieon Camp during the time that Hl, Warss, and MIT, have been the Lager Kommandants?

Prison? A

Do you recall the time nhen you first arrived at Dachau? A

beating at nee, as in fact, all of us did.

heels, and beaten with, those oxenzetmer whips

• were knocked down, and kicked with the

Then we arrived at eight o'clock in the

morn ng stand there in the sun all day, without a drop to drink, or food

About eight o'clock in the evening, I was put with about 80 or 150 in the convicts

block ar punishment b.ock. There Scharfuhrer BECK awaited us and beat us and kicked

he beat me until I fell senseless on the floor. They threw a bucket of water

over me was supposed to recover and then I had to lay in the wet dress

all night. I was blue and brow, in all colors, all over my body. Than I remained

in the block. The saxt day, they put me on a wheel barrew. It was on a Sunday, ae

building and preparing a rabbit fans. This Capo, whose name, I don't renember, 111-

treated us and kept hit ting us with the utmost brutality.

G. Mr. LAW — , were you ever hanged by the wrists, that is, with your hands, behind

the back? A. four tines.

“here did this hanging or hangings take place? A. The first three time, it was

at the Bunker.

a. Then y F Bay Bunor, you wean the Zung-on or rison? A. Three tines la the Dunker

the fourth time, in the bath.

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"PIin U U 3uet what happened when you were taker t the Dunker bar re youwere hanged by the wrist? . before I "3 haneod by the wrist, the u took out of

no Fasos. .1 al , thay took tmo tables at nee, they took

at the same tadies, led the to the Bunker ana tha, wer.

■ roo» a whole table. For

25 comrades who were sitting

beaten by those Cxenzelmars,

» and the secand "as, I believe, Blockfuhher BzcKthought

on, and, of course, they weren't satisried

they hanged me for offending then, aath my

called them bloodhounds, and morderers, and so

with "V expressions, so, whet this was over,

hands tied behind ay back n the bean.

Q r § 3" "oloneddyo romain hangng with your hande ted beh indyour backz A.

tine, tee hours, and tie other tine one hour.

• Die they ever swing you back and foru> xan. you were nangtng■.

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hanged me, beat me, they

'ere other risoners

did everythin*.

tanged at the time that they hanged youlyt. wtet.

They pushed me.

prisoners.A. Nlany

4. uring the time that J u have been at Dachau since 1940, in itthousande u on these: ne'e

common knowledge that

y u have describedzof Fisoere have been hanged by the wrist in the fashion thatLany thousands.

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" «. ,.4 P An the . bock after thay hangod you by the wrist? A, 1 was aIM oomet block and therefors 1 went eaye, er at in the Sun or mtnonsany food, and then I returned back in the block.

S. Were sut in the block where the J.„ w kopez A. re, 1 was .

can't call it

of treatnent did the Jews receive at the Dacha 1

• treatment--it was murder.A. You

" 16 us ““ son of the thrncs th t the 88 did to the Jewish prisoners.*' Tey -r. beaten and xacaad mnd ehot ana kl;1M and satn morencsny. / X. Beatan

morcilessly to death,

.. I wnderstana hen, ». Laxx.a, thal what -M. • vay, u> tnat 3o..treated brutally? A. They were treated about 1,860 Jews 1 am tn. ona,survivor.

Mhere are the others? A. Dead.4 -

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Q. What wae the caune of their

rest were aont on those invaliddeatht They were slain and starved. And the

traneports that you have heerd f They were throwinto the water and rrozen.

Do you recl an occaekan in 1941, when some prisoners were slnin: A. in 1921 ."orondo of 196 Jews were "orkina at the plantation, ane three to seven wero slain daily.

Fur what reason were they slain? A. For na reason,-for amusement.

that shot the prisoners? A The SS, the Kommandofuhrer

guarde.

Do you remenber their nanea? No.

G• And this oceurred every nay?

time I went out on this Komzando

avery day. It occurred from March, the

on the 3rd of Xay, when my jaw was broken In

three places.

“ho struck that blow that broke your jaw? A. The Si man-- but I don’t ka w bis

Q. hare did that happen? A. At the plantation.

Q. how far is the plantation that you have referred to with reference to the prison

compound at achau? A. It is just outside of the camp wall. For cne woek in April

I was working in the plantati n. Ne were M Jewe, working there. Then out of those

18 threc were killed.

Mr. LANK:A how much d you weigh in civilian life, approximately? a. About

85 kilos.

How much do you weigh today? A. Today, about 72 kilos, but at that time' I weighed

only 5b kilos

were you ever used by the autherities at the Dachau Prison Camp for

experimental purposes? A. Tse, I was used on all experiments oxcept on the phlegmons

experiment.

“ere you used as a guinea pig in the solaria experiment. A, I was used three times

at the malarla experiment. The first tins I got the injection with blood in my body.

The seond ties I was bitten by malaria mosquitoes, and tbs third time I got an anjec-

ti on with this mosquito serum.

hen were you exerimented upon for malaric? The first time it was in 1942before the Americans came.

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" "ho "ere the persons that experimented with J9a ft>T malariat a. The head ot the

station was Profassor var.’

Do 9ou rememuber anything else at the malaria station? A, I renamber sturmbann-

fuhrer PLorra!

Wars yu subjected to other oxperiz nte besides the malaria expertment? A, I

was on the air-proasre experiment.

“hat ie that—the frozen water exerimant or the air-prensura experinentr A. Both,

hen were you oubjected to the frozen water experiment? A. It was in 1943. It

was summer in August or Geptember 1943.

,. Tell us about the rroezin water eperimert? A. that they dtd xith me 1 can' tell

you. . can oniy te 1 you whet they did with others, becaue what they did with me I

den't know, becaune we get vipan injections. .e were unaonscto s.

.. Then, tell ts what they did with these others in the frsezing water experiwante?

A. In these experimets the patients had to swallow a theremoseter to be abla to reg-

ister their temperature inside. Then they had an electrocardiograph .ut around their

wrists to be able to register their pulse

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after three

Z6r they were trying t

before you died

warts up the frozen bodies

they found cna an, who survived

quarters of n hour they were dead. If it was twelve degrees, or course they could

and dried, and put in bed under an electric heater to warm him up.

a

tors clothes for winter, in fur coats and fur trousers and jackets, and a wry thing

heavy. Others were thrown in in summer clothes with heavy boots ara also bare-footed

with aviator's cape. They were thrown into the water according to the temperature of

ut how long they could remin in water

the temperature in the Btomach showed 28 or 29 degrees,

degrees, he was taken out of the cold water, utina hot bath, and manaazed and rubbed

I haven't seen a naked woman her those frozen men were

instead of usng an artificial beating apparatvs, they used women with ther natural

ther

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(Cort’d/ prisoners? A

But you did not see that youselr, personally? A

Did the prisoners tell you thst they know and had seen the men when they were

a look at the other station, but of course we did

that the women were there.

action

women, prisoners?

I was also subjected to the

LZLSHNEL

came to the

and in the

I was taken against ay w111, and

these experiments die? A

the

Hell I got an Evipan injection

a very

totho

A

tola Professor SCHILLING I was a Kom-X

that I had a fairly goal ommando, and

told him that I didn't want to make the second cxperi-

intv the beds with these woman? A

dressed. I mean

I mean, I have seen the women. You

A. If you will leave

A. Prisoners

easy trial. don’t knom

a ntrry. I felt very

Now, Mr. LANNER

lere you ever

I don't know about the salt

the air-pressure experimnt? A

To Professor SCIILLINO.To whoa? A.

Mhat did you say

after the protest?you

■and secretary. and had a carpenter shop, an

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nee, I was at the TBC station, and next door was Ue aviation station. Of course

it was forbidden for us to have

Been it myself, but only not in

What other experiments were you subjected to?

low pressure experiment. And those experiments were all done by Professor

end Dr. Haupsturmfuhrer HASCHE, who later becane Sturabannfuhrer. hen he

station, he nas not Hauptsturafuhrer. He was Captain of the Luftwaffe

Did you condent or agree to be expermented wth by the SS for malaria

freezing water and air-pressure experinent? A

it was sure death. I knew it was sure death, not the malaria, but the other experi-

ments

Too were just one of to few lucky ones that survived, is that correct? A.

Did a great number of reunera wh were subjected to

Nearly all of then died

submitted to the salt-water experiment?

salt out. because

and I don't knw anything, and they told me it was

In fact, wen I woke up, I felt noth: ng

comfortable and happy

Did you pretest about the malaria experiments?

rofessor SCHI .Il G, when you protested and what ’Id r

SCRILLIIG say to

I didn’t want te

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(Coat'd) ment as l bad already been through one, and I was seriously ill th*

first tima, and X had TBC, and he should leave me out, and ha got/crose about it and

eaid: "How do you think you speak to me!" I can reach to

Borlin and yot will see what will happen to you if you reuse te subnit to th* eecond

experimant!"

c. You bay, that you were soriouslyrrter the first malaria ex eriment The

first malaria ex eriment X had 11 attacks of malaria. Each one had about 41.6 fever

and they left ne in bed with tt any treatment, without any nedicine r anythin . They

junt tooke vy temperature every three hours, and I lay in bed msarable, like a dog

How long did you suffer from the effects of the first malaria experiment? A. .*11

I never recovered from the malaria exg erimmts up ti am still euffering from

in fact, X an et1ll taking Atabrine

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Lr. LAANu , do you know SGH L3TLR PIAi A. I

Who is she?

1933—1 don't

Where ie eh*

A, She was the nurse of HIT. SE.

know. Her family mm is BAULE

from

who nursed him

if you know? A. I don’t know

II by sight

when he was nounded

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is she a member f the 537

that was Mr I think aha was an S3 Gr ppenfuhrerrank?

Did you ever see sCmSBraz PI at the Dachau Priaun Camp? I saw her very often

Q Nhat did she t napect the pris ners

Sbe told them she was the mother of the prisoners even distributedthen she

cigarettes or bread to her pets

Khat did she do unofficially at I* chaw 7 Unofficially the wh le campshe used

and the whole etock of the camp for her private businesn and ur

even to ictres being ainted by ris ners, by the famous painter prisoner* •.

did near her

Sister’a uniform

uf th* Order ifhat ie it?

h\t alse d you know about SCH I tell you a little

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what she wanted. She wuld take furnishing, rovisi s, dress**, in fact, everything

do here? h. orricially she came t the cad

id SCHTLST B PIA wear a unifern, when she came to Dachau? A. She

she needed, hanebooks, trinkets, boots, curtains, and, in fact, anything he wanted

story; 18

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(Cont’d) deus were ordered to clean out the cesspool of the pigsty. It had a

cenent cover and the cesspool was filled with liquid. had to empty it with little

tins by hand, and, when the level of the liquld had ecreased a little, thay forced

several of the men to enter it, been no the.e was only room for tw eon at once. And

they also forced a well known Jewish concert singer, GRATZR or KRATZA, I don't

know which spelling is used, into this cesspool. He stood in this liquid with the

liquid dung up to his mout.h. They forced him to sing "Santa Lucia" in this cesspool/

SCHuETaa PIA, who happened to pass by, walked up and down to watch and listen. nd

when he had rnished hie song, they took him out, and, as he had a horrible stench

they pulled him out, and beat him to death. During all thio time, SCH#LST-A PIA was

watching, and assisting

Md SCHasT PIA do arything to stop the abuse upon this unfortunate Jewish

prisoner? A. She smiled.

Do you new about when that was approxmately7 A ctober or beggning

of November 1940

And that happened right here at Dachau?meters

That happened here about 200/ from

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It happened about 200/from the Dachau Prison Camp House, where you are testifying >1Of those IS Jewish prisoners, they tcok three days to clear the

uqole thing up by hand, but 17 were dead. I am the only survivor. I only got lots of

beatings, but fortunately I cane out alive

Did SCIDIESTEE PIA have free access to the Dgchau Prison Camp? A

go wherever she wanted

Did she obtain, throughout '*raany and throughout Lurope a great deal of publicity

az the Angel of Mercy and the mother of the prisoners and all that kind of bosh?

Mhat was her attitude as to the Jews? A. ell, you see, from the illustration

Ae far as you know, Jr. LANNIR, is SCEaSSTeR PIA, the only S5 woman General” A

As far as I know, she is a wozan General, ano the only wonan who has the -rder of

the Mue medal

Sha s ne -f the leading Hazi Party enthusiasts, and considered one of the very

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(Cont’d) few Gernan whomen who wus clase U HITLEE and HIMALER2 A.

"hat became of qost of the Jeniah prinoners that were confined at the achau

Prisen Camp?

Did many or them die from starvati n, typhus, dysentery, and othar diseases that

prevalled at

Here you here when they had a typhus epldesc? A

the first epidemic, ue had fleck-fever, but than we had

Did a great ■tuber of prisaners die as a result of the first typhus e ideal a?

Hundrede died Thousands

Did you to.au the -azer Eomandant, . 1BITR? A

Did yo u over see him? A,

Do you know or did you ever see HIIAICE EIMLG7 A

Block 5

Do you man that you saw him in ne of the hospital Blocks where experiments were

- a yea after the war broke out In Russia,qid HINRICH HILI visit the Prison

Camp at Dachau frequently? A

As I understand, IJINNICH HDLLER, Is to head of the 8S, Heichsfuhrer, S5, maning

and will ask you ir yas can identify said instrumet, and tell us what it ia? (x

A few others are knoun to no by sight, but I don't know the names

F-1" carefully and selectPlease lcok at Ea ne object, so that we can

Pleuse ddaw an arrow on Axhibit"L2A-1" indicating Sturmbannfuhrer 4 ITa (wit-

sees draws an arrow in indelible pencil polntih , desimnating the Lager Kommandant

Sturabennfuhrer «ZIT.a)

a co

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recoguize which one you say is HIALA? A

ahere did you see HINRICH HOdLE? A. At the air-force experimental stati n,

the loader of the 1st S3? A

of the pictura, surrounded b; other 33 officers, one of

Q. Mr. LAI .i , understand you recognize several other 35 officers on Exhibit

■hen? A. it was in the summer of 1942

"LAUR-1" marked in evidence) A. Yes, I recvgiJ.no HILR who is in the center

They were killed in one way or another

Did a great nuzbr of prlaoners die at that tise? A. It was in 1943. There

Q. I show you an instrument, which we will ask the reporter to nark as Ex. "LANNR-1"

They ded of exhauedon, starvation and ill-treatment

wure

typhus

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q. (Coal’d) "LANNER-1"? You said you didn't remember thelr names, is that correct”

Do X undorstane that yuu recognize the Ss Officer standing immodiately behind HIMi—

Q.

the one behind uEITLRT A. Yes.

Please draw s anal loiter "x" indicating the ss orficer behind MIINLA whoa you

recognige. A. (Witness draws snail letter "X" on SS oxricer that ha recognises.

. nease indicate by the email letter "o" the other ss officer vhom yot recoenize.

. (aitnass draws small letter no" on Ss Officer that he recognizes).

. Mr. LANMER, the building shown on Zuhibit "LAa-1", i that on of the buildings

st the Dachau Prison Cump? A, Yes.

Q. I show you another instrunant, which weull ask the reporter to cark as Exhibit

•LANNLa-2", and sill ask you if you can recognize said instrument, and Ml us what it(a."LAN: SR-2" markod in evidence)

represents; A. The one standing in the motor ear is HIMLi and the one facing the ca­

and cap.

mera is UITaR.

Q. Will you kindly draw an a row pointing toward HDL EA? A. ( iitness draws an arrow

to figure standing in ths car).

a. Kindly draw a long r arrow toward the person in xhibit "LANNSA-2" whoa you say is

gruz A. (Witness draws an Arrow towards figure standing in motor ear).

Kindy print the nene of na1na at the base of the long arrow, which you say indio-

atos htm? A. (uitnaus writes nane ‘uzraa‘ at the bottom of photograph).

q.DoI unerstana that the person in the automobile standing up and, whom you haveHSINAICH

designated by tie smal arrow, standing in the car, that that person is Herr/HIMML-R?

A. Yes.

q. Mr. Lasassa, can you give us a description of CH.SZSTLB PIA? A. Bhe is an elderly

woman at about 50 years and maybe more,

ordinary wonan, not fat, and not thin.

She is comson looking, and about the size or an

I did net see her hair, as she wore her uniform

glasses.

Q. are iters any particular narks or particular identification she bed' A. She had

the skin of an old woman, wrinkles.

Q, About how tall is she? A. 160m approximately.

.. here does SCHsTSa PIA 1ive? A. She lias a hcuse near Dachau, and she also lives

in lunch.

Then SCHUESTER 1A is from this neighborhood'/ A. Yes.

Q.

Q.

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And in Munich? A

CROSS EXAMINATION BT CAPTAIN CLInE L. WALXER

Q Mr. LAHNA, la there any other thing that you feel that you should tell us about

in eonnection with either SCMNESTER HA or the Dachau Prison Camp? A. Well, I can

tell you another little story: In Novembor, about 100 Jews were taken, on a Sunday, to

build an automobile garage, and they throw about 20 in the pit, where chalk was made.

They threw about 20 Jews in this pit, and they suffocated. The chalk was about three

or four meters deep, and of course, they sunk in.

Q. What 83 officer was present at the tins that that happened? A. I don't know his

Q das there an 33 guard present when the Jews were suffocated? A

Q. Did the SS guard do anything about this atrocity? A. They liked it They encouraged

the

so I was only halr in, and then climbed out b

Q. Do you recall an incident, Mr. LANER, when some prisoners were

A. Yes, at the Liebhof. from 18 working Jews and two Capos, about

Jews were killed daily.

thrown Into the pond?

three of those 18

Q. Aero they drowned—were they thrown into the pond? A. They were pushed back until

they drowned. They did it like this. They would take one in the morning for a pastime

and throw him into the water, and when he wanted to get out of the water, they would

that again two or three tines during the day, just as a pastime. Afterwards, they

were shot just like a rabbit.

Q. Is there anything else that you feel you should tell us about? a. Tes, there is

another

gloves.

matter that I would like to tell you about. They tanned human akin to fabricate

handbooks, brief cases, and everything from leather, riding boots, etc. The

leather used by the 58 on the inside of the logo were made of leather obtained from hu-

■an akin. I myself have seen stocks of human leather ready for use.I

mention about the tdtooing. There were many prisoners who had nicely

I would also like to

done tattoos on

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■ “ "T-mmTm-—TTTTT"TTT

A. (Coat) their chests or backs, on their arms and legs, "hen theee prisoners "er" dead or wers kiled, they woua cut the prisoner’s skin where the tattoo "5* and

at was tanned, ane then they would «m it for lasp shades or book eovers or other

ornamental articles.

4. Eave you Man mm or than artieles euch as lamp shades made from the dead, Mr. LANNKR7 A. Yes, it was Dr. RASCHSR who was • groat collector of these-

Testimony adjourned 1030, 17 May 1945.

aMXST LANkA.

ATTXSTAD: Z ,

DAVID ClUfIZ, Colonel, JAGD., •Investigator-Examiner.

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Testimony of l-UAM BALCE hours on 20 May 1945

Tec 5 James Lundy, 32355293, H 6th Arny Gp, appeared before the Investigator-

Kxaminer as a reporter and was sworn by hl* in the following for*: "You swear that

you will faithfully perorm the duties of re orter in this inveetigatlon now being

conducted by me, so help you God?"

Mr. FLD A. SANTI, appeared as an interpreter and was sworn by the Investigator-

Examiner in the following fora: "You swear that you will truly interpret in this

investigati n now being conducted by me, sc help you God?” A.

Mr. ZENON B LER, appeared before the Investigator-Zxaminer and testified as follows:

Khat is your llame? ZEION BA LCJB, I live in Poznam, Poland

Do you understand the meaing of an oath? A. Tea

Mr. BALCER, we are asking an investigation of alleged atrocities and cruelties

comitted by the German SS at the Dachau Prison Caup you willing to take an

oath and testify as to what you know of these atrocities?

. Please stand up, raise y ur right hand, and be sworn. "Do you, ZNNON BALCER

swear that the evidence you shall give in this investigation now being conducted by

me, shall bs the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?"

A I do.

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Tour name is ZENON BALCER and you live at the address you have just given us?

How old are you? A

You are of Polish descent? A. Ies, a Christian

have you been a prisoner

when were you brought to

the Dachau Prison Camp on

and

the

the

been confined at the Dachau Prison Camp? A. Yes

Dachau Prison Casp and by who*? A. I arrived here

28th of April 1945 about 2300 hours in the night

and was bro ght here by the German SS

Q. Were there some other prisoners that case with you to Dachau? A

Where did you come from? A. From the prison casp at Buchenwald

What kind of prison camp is there at Buchenwald? A Buchenwald is a concentra-

tion casp run by the SS just like at Dachau.

Did you come in a prisoner transport from Buchenwald to Dachau?

Rhen did the transport of prisoners leave Buchenwald in route to Dachau?

left Buchenwald on 7 April 1945 and we were three weeks on the way

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q. Mow many prisoners were there on your transport which left uchenwald on

A

Is Buchenwala from Dachau? A. J don’t know but I believe it is ap-

proxmately 300 kilonetere

Old you understand when you left Puchenwald you were coming to Dachau? A. hen

the camp at Buchenwald we had no idea where we were going. • thought we

be taken to another canp not faraway but owing to the rapid advance of the

Ammercan troops we were shirted fron one place to another until we eventually arrive

at Dachau on the 2Sti of April 1945

. o you know the nunerous places hat you went to between the 7th of April and the

II28th of April wl>en you arrived at

Hom .umy prisoners were there

achau? No

in the car that

A. No

because we were in closed cars

you were in 90 men

ne could hardly move

i the SS who had 2 beds in the cars forced us to keep a open gangway through the

middle of the car.

as the car in which you were in a closed car or an open car? A closed car

as it seale hen the standing still the doors vere complstelyF

closed and locked but when vemont th allowed the doors to be

open a couple of Inc so there would be a little v a tian

ow much food were you given the trip? y we left, the 7th of

pril fortun .to received their midday soup whereas t ose that were

f a loaf of brea the station where

tiout food. Trie next night iven an 1/3 of

loaf of bread 4 otatoes ■ n ved no

the succeeding de recoive oaf of

zechoslov

each day a 1 ’nan 1 we wore crossing

brought plenty of potate bread and butter

ut the t lo avoid total

in n a couple

of brea'

Dic rleoners 3 trip from Buch

achau' a trip lastin. ut three weeks about 90 en

artly

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ajority were Toles

hat ho

ca

order

allen

rrisonem who died? A

t the news c

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not ki

mhere ware also a few Tuseiuns and a few Trenchen and a few were Jew

Were go of the prinonors kllad while you were on tnis transport

Tell us about that Incident? hen, for inatance, ten men died during the

day or night there were put in a corer Laft taere. We were forcad

to sit or lay on tnem. If during t • following night, tne traln stopped near woods

or an opening in tie country whore Lhe doors were

I might add that Ue men were nt allowed to

got out of tte train to eflcate, thereforo this had to be done in the oar and it was

at solutely filthy, i would like to « d that the man wno

from another wagon

is, he took a

achau oncentration

hat is his name?

arrived at

zenborg but

hen some of the prisoners ninaged to escape by stabbing two

soveral of the la capo is still in

amp

on’t know his nane but is man was recognized when we

aenau and while In the baths was s verel} be ten up by the risonors and

our gro

ther block

on ny is

s pitalzed

t uchanwald on

roaching and

he was » errsnn

migut tontion - kuave en beatar

so bucaune 1

i Conies

nearly thrae woe Buchenwald to

aturday and already on Sunday we

• train stood 8

en t! «

u ' American

ossenberg had

zechoslov kia

word

lay • it eeemad

hould co to Plos-

Troopa evantually this imposmible

Avricans

and then from Czochoslovakia

Ing bncicar Dernany

n mountains wien qone 3 ri cai . DRDen5

tLe r- gel ves

q. wo many of the prtaomers that started Crow Puchonwatd on the Tth o •PTi

ana went to canchorlovakda ana rimally lunded at Dachau on the 2th of ApT1 "ere

•till Luvna rrom tne 1,500 untlen Buchenwald 1 • bellow tnat not more

enan 1,600 a1avo. I would 1ke to bake u olear that 1,800 "on onteradth. gat. or the achau Concentration Camp tut in th. batns and on the way to the

barrackn at Lanet another 200 nen fell dead trom exhaustion and muncer-

mat became of tne bodaes of tnose priconers whodtedon tre tranaport? A. pu-

Ing traneportau on th. bodses wore taken out at various 31*066 and at niaht wore

takcan and bumned in Map*. In some cases th. American Troops "ere roported in th. vicinity and rhey had not tame they aduply threw th. bodtes along the rallway

sidings and left them.

Q. Have you heard of enother transport that left Ruchenwaid about th. 26th of "Pm

1915, A. Ho. I only know that a amall traneport let th. day after we loft but

probably had to return bocatse they could not proceed- he transport "hdoh l ■*•

on and which artived at Dachau on 28 apru 1345 a 6rest muebor of prisonere

wo had acd and their sodtee wore in tne wagons. Tho priaonern "ho ediv

were mirehed to th. compound in tn. Dachau Concentration CanP-... can you rocan •« of th. towns that you paseed through during the tore "ooka

on thi. transport A. Tac. mars was Plena, tucla, Damaslow1teo, "reze1

and Lolpzig.

. Are these located in Geraany" A.

Th. Others ar. In Czechoslovakia- that

Lelpzig, Hana and Ntecla are in Germany.

is only the. towns I remenmber•eince 2 January 1940.Q. Hon long have you been * prizonerofthe Geranansi.A*

choss-axAvisArjou by Captain CuDE you deon? A. Auachwitz,At what prison amps other than Buchenwald and achau n5 you ""

Gereany; Vronke, Poland; Bremon, Germany; HauburE, Oeren/i Hochum German-:or. an of th. concentrntion camps in which you were confined adnintetered and

operated by th. S3? A. Yen, only b th. 35.. ner. prnonere of war a. wen as political prisonors confined at tn. corontratho

cnmnps you have listed? A. Tea.a. How mach ala you weigh in civilian lire? A. 71 klos- <2. ow much do you weigh now? A. About 48 kilos.

0. Ar. you eufarine From any alinese at' th. prosent Mme? A- 1 “

ing fro®, being nair-etarved, godarel wesimese ond wounds of t • lorer p" o te

body ospoesany in my right log csusod by tne 111 treatment of the S8• 1 beldevethat I am now consumptive.

Q

to 1 was

1940 to 1942 tranaports very arrived from various countries

gary, €uechoalovakla, ete

people were mishandlad from the authoritles on the side, 3S guarde would burro und than

SMaezsidekdhddhdMha

taking their Jawala and valuables even thoir gold teeth. They were then undressed and

each was givan a piece of boup and a towel. They were conducted to the bath* and whan entered there

Th* doors mere closed and they were

gassed The bodies wera then taken tn* crematorium

that the ovens were not sufficlent they made a pile of the bodes and burned them

and even threw children still i these people were mostly

Did you see prisonera being taken he gas chamber at the Aunchutz Prison

es, everybo

they could sce frou a distance that e Inco

than being given soap an i towels.

leaving th* gas chmuber

odies being taken out chamber? No, because

e gas chanber from other doors

Another incident I would in

straight to th* crema-

Vronke Concentration Camp

an S3 nan kept ill-troating me and brutally hitting me and tian put me into the dungeon

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Testimony adjourned at 1700 hours on 20 a/ 1945

enon Balcer

coxonel, J:A-u.Investigator-Ixaminer

I certify that the above testmony was translated to the witness in hl* own language, prior to her signature whch a pears above.

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oth 1nm but the

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the oporstone

upon w

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and atroc?You have boon celled

seen or what yon know of take an oath to tell us

t1c leanngs

boon employed ti risoners.

funs heloneine to rs al ■■ 1

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q. vr. zempsch, I shov you an exhibit markea z-1 and amk if you have ever seen it before?

A. xen.Q. what is it?A. This is a list of a transport of Italian prisoners called

"Trieste." This list was compilod after the original from the Qerman City Tolice in Italy, as dolivered by the fuhror of the transport here in Dachau. I recoived this list from the polltical soot ion of the camp. I kept it secretly and when I was asked where it was, I replied that it had been lost. I kept it lust for uch a day as this. This list is a list of 236 people whose prison numbers run from 58332 through 58419.

Q. I show you an exhibit ranked z-2 and ask you if you have over seen it b«fore?

A. Yes. It is a list of prisoners received here at Camp Dachav from the Concontration Camp Grosserosen as of 6 February 1944. Those prisoners named on this list wore all split up in groups and transferrod after about 6 days to the smaller outside camps connected with Camp Dechau. This list contains 480 names, the first prisoner's serial number being 63263 and the last being 63360•

A. I now show yon an exhibit marked z-3 and ask you what that is?A- Yes, I recognize this. This is a list of a transport received

from Toris on 20 une 1944 with 490 dead bodies on the train when it arrived here. Although the people are not numbered from one on, the list is an alphabet loal list and the first serial number of the first prisoners roads 72274 and the last numbor roads 74413.

Q.

A.

I now shew you an exhibit marked 2-4 and ask you if you have ever seen this?This is a list of a large traneport of Trench prisoners who arrived here on 5 July 1944 from Paris. In my opinion about 90% of these were transferred within a few days to other camp. These people are not numbered on the left hand olds either but the serial numbers begin with 76518 and ond with 78047.

I now show you an exhibit parked Z-5 and ask you if you have seen It before and ask you what it is?Yes, this is the final list of arrivals from a transport from Bordenux on the 7th of Tuly 1944. I have no knowledge as to the initial amount of prisonors on the departure of that trans- port since the train was bombed in addition to being attacked by the French Renistance Movement and most of the prisoners who did not die escaped. I want to add that on this particular transport there were also 80 women who are not included in this final list. These serail numbers begin with 78008 and end with 78404.

Are there any other copies of these lists that you know of? I do not know.

Vhy wore you interested in keening such lists when possession of the® might ~nan death to you?I was an Ant1-"azi and was picked up for communietic activitios. A man can be a Gorman without being a German Mezi and I kept thae honing that hops day thoy would reach the hands of French auth— orities so that those poople could be traced or at least some record of them would be available to their families.

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Q. Do you know anything of the case of 46 Polish vrinoners of Mar being in thia camp on 1, Hovember 19402

A. Yen, I romember that date nonocisted with that number of Poish Prinoners of Mar bocauno that nicht around 7.00 o’olock we wore horded into our barrackn as we new theso 46 Ie marched behind the 1nolonure c: the bunker where people wero ordinarily oxecu- ted by rifle fire. After they had pansod around out of eight wa henrd a 1nre volley of nhots and a few strny hots followed that. When going back to work the following day Into the personnl property office t noticed that enrol o new containing porsonal property of prieonere had been removed overnight and due to neglige 00 one of the 1dentifiention tage was loot on the floor. thia enabled mo to draw the conolunion as to who had boon nbot the provious night.

Did you evor gee any of thone. polish vrinonern of War again? ko.

Did you know the nioce of the Vrench commander Cenoral Dodauller Yeo I did.

Was the ewer in thle camp?Yoo, aha was, I saw horo in the offloo where I worked.

Q.A.

Q.A.

what did sho do?She wan here after she came from Rovonbruek near Berlin. She wan only here a little while when oho wao taken out of the camp and sent to the Camoraworko in Mnnich ao a Inborer. T newer oaw or heard of her ngain. She 'ad been punlshed like all the reat of un at one time or another. Her experiience, aa aho told it to wa in .the office, wao that when the Cermane captured her and took her to Ravennbruck the eamp oommandant, whose name I do not know, ordered her to enter the onmp ao a prostitto.Upon her refusal oho had boon laohed 25 times on the lashing, block by thio earn commander. De soenod, she Mid. to have singled her out for specin trestment bocauso of her ntanding in France and becnuse of her num* Thio la 11 I knew of thia caso bocnune aa I have aald before. T have not seen the girl again. T might add that I know that this incident took placo at Rnvensbruok in January 1945. It may be posnible to find out the commander of the camp on that date.

Do yon have anV Ing more to nay about lxhibit Z-3-Yeo. Tn oonnection with thia large transport in which 97 dead were anong the living prisoprs on the train, I remember a prisoner, namely rnet Grasch, who waa a norran politicn1 prinoner with un in the compound. Oranch was very boisteroun and loved authority. Te inflieted puniehment on other prison- era at evory opportunity: he wao doing hie best to become pro- mnent in the eyos of the guards and earn bis freedom that way. When thia French transport arrived on 6 June 1944, Oranch vaa put in charge of the detail of Runsiann to clean out the care of bodien. Qrasch could not stand the lob and he got drunk flrat. Thmho went amonget the men of thia detail an they wore working with the bodies, beating them with hie club and abueing thom and no detaining them from finish ing their job for which he would then pnish thom further.

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Whore la thio rnat Oraoch now?I remember that he left the compound in Docembor 1994 in the oarly part of the month and wan appointed in the 88 and loft the ensp. I never oaw 1 1m again.

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to add?m. I can think of manyIs thore anything •le -nAu -ud."

Nothing to add to wh t I have alr instancan of cruelties *• long

apecirically; these things were an every-

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prior to his signature which

EXHIBIT

■Do you, TADEUS BLUMENFELD

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Testimony of TADEUS BLMANYKLD, taken at Dachau at 1300 hours on 16 May 1945

Tee 5 James Lundy, 32355293, Hq 6th Army Gp, appeared as a reporter and was sworn

by him in the following form: "You swear that you will faithfully perform the du­

ties of reporter in this investigation now being conducted by mo, so help you God.

Pvt Erwin Boesch, 42054817, He Seventh Army, appeared as an interpreter and was oworn

by the Investigator-Ixominer in the following for "You swear that you will truly

interpret in this investigation now being conducted by me, so help you God."

TDUS BLUMENFELD appeared before the Investigator-Exnminer and testified as follows:

G• hat is your name? Ai ‘TADIUS BLUMSNPRLD, Ko. 110337.

G. I notice that you are registered as TADEUS snza, why is this? A. I took the

name of my brother-in-law because he is also a Jew here at Dachau so that I might

be with him. He posed as brothers wherever we

Do you understand the meaning of an oath?

I lease stand up, riase your right hand, and be sworn

swear that the evidence you shall give in this investigation now being conducted by

A.

shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God,"

I do.

How old are you? A. Twenty-one years of age

Q There is your home? Liotta, Foland.

Q Do you intend to return there when you are released from the Dachau Boncentra-

tion Camp? A. No, I do not intend to go back to Island but I intend to contact my

brother in Paris. His name is MAX BLUIMIFELD residing at Rue Heslag, Paris,III,France

Q

for

"ere you at any by camps of Dachau for any length of time'. A. I was at Kaufburgn

a period of about one year. We were fed, clothed and received our beatings from

the S3 stationed at Dachau

. Did anything unusual happen to you while you were at that by camp? A. One da

merely because I was a Jew I was thrown under a moving car by 33 men, resulting in

a permanent broken right shoulder. Thile I was thate I have seen Jews beaten to

death while marching, to work. This camp is made up of only Jewish people and the S3

guards did everything they could to kill us. I myself now weight practically 45

kilos and with my broken shoulder was compelled to carry the stretchor in which were

badly beaten but still living Jewish prisoners

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Q. How long have you actually been here at Dachau proper? A. Since January 195*

Q. What type of treatment have you seen the Jewish people get here at the concen­

tration Camp at Dachaut A. The S3 guards would beat us with large clubs, butts a

rifles and leather strpas. The would beat us at every opportunity and especially

when we would answer roll call three times We were forced to double time

everywhere we went and if a Jewish man would fall the 33 guards would beat him and

jump on him with their Goman hob-nailed boots. If the Jewish prisoner died it was

Q. Is there any other type of treatment that you know of that was generally ad-

mini stored to Jews’ in addition to all of these physical beatings which

were an every day affair and quite numerous we were forced to submit to phlegona. d

malaria, ice pressure and vacuum experiments.

Q. why are there so few Jewish prisoners in this camp who have been here only a

short length of time? A. There is a good reason and it is because the Germans

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systematically shipped out Jewish prisoners either to Lints or Natzweiler. Both

of these are Jewish extermination camps and many Jews were killed on the so-called

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Invalid Transports and we know that those Jews were killed and cremated

Q. What have you to say about your food? A. The rest of the prisoners wore fed

first and we got what was left. If there was anything extra we were certain never

to receive any of it. The soup that we did get with our one piece of bread was

mixed with dirt. Consequently, we only ate the bread and I know that over 200 Jews

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died from starvation

and water or coffee.

I, myself, today cannot eat anything except the black bread

it has only been since the Americans can a that I have had

a sufficient quantity of broad

How much

you

Q did you weigh when you were licked up by the Germans and how much do

A.I weighed 68 kilos when I was picked up by the Germans and I

now weigh 42 kilos. When I was picked up by the Germans at the ago of 17 I had been

athletic and had a reputation for being the only Jewish man who could carry three

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Here at Dachau our treat-

, Our lives hare as Jewa even at Dachau was worse than the huge Gorman dogs

Ne lived from day to day in constant fear

Madc Tadeus

ATTESTt

DAVID CHAVEZ,.Colnel, J.A,G.D

1 certify that the above testimony

was translated to the witness in

his own language, prior to his

signature, which appears above.

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ot *•. waxxa uazeNICz, taken at Dachau, Gerin 1300 hour 12 • «. , rsxocax. 32115631, 6823, N. ErouSA(3. A, Soction) APO 887

1945•

t.s.

him

an th. foHloming form "Iou — that you fattarull portor" “• *7"0

rogortor i. ta. anv stigatton now being by r“ Ood-"a. s/sg. ALFazo E. 33025383, ucr 6823, STOUSA (.A-ection) AP"887, U. A. Army, appeared before the

•worn by him as rollowa: "You emear gation now being conducted by me, 80

HANKA LES1ENIcZ appeared before

Investigator-Examiner •• an interpreter end "48

that you wan truly interpret in thia investi-

help you God."the Investigator-Examiner and teetified as foll-

a. Your name is HANKA L3-NIC2? A- >»•a. m m anvasttgatine the .wuuo. ot th. camp here a pachau, -c - u-wu.tih. th. aogoe atrocitsas and cruelcies that — cozdtted b the mn. tha, oporated enas prison camp, are you wilane to be sworn “ * witness and

coed it i ns and these alleged atrocities and

aruelties? A. I do.oath? A.Q. Do you understend •1 "15 — —

q. stand up, raise you right hand andtnat th. you shan ave Ain this investigation no" bein eonduted •

m ena h. th. truth, th. whela truth. and neenine but " * "2

A. I do.

be sworn. You, KAMA LZSIEWICZ, do solemnly

,, no I unaerstana that you u« at the adaress you have diven —mu,.

Str. 51/21,

Q.

q. old

A. The western most ot Poland

of Polish descent? A. Tee.

Q. you married or single? A. I am single.Xou hav. been a. prisoner bere at the Concortrati» ri" *•

ror wat largen o tme nave you boen • prisoner of ““ Oersnet • ‘re years. )

Whan were you brought to the Prison Camp? A. Apri 15, 19:

A

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were confinad prior to the time

that you were brought to Dachau A. 1avenobruck.

. Now long were you confined nt navensbruck? A- From 1940 to 19

q. wnat were your duties whhle you were ecfined st navonsbruck? *• A Eire

worked an a waitress and later on in the tailor shop.

a. Mere Were ary other women ria nere/wben you were brought to the Dactae

canp in April 1911.2 A. 1 large transport of female prisoners-

Q. how nany of thee prisoners came to Dachau? A, With me came

then six

Q. hat did

At first

other women arrived.

you awl these twelve other wonen do vhen you arrived

I didn’t do anything, and .then, after two weeks, the

at Dachau?

other women.

but not myself had to start working.

WH were your duties? A. They had to work

As I understand, your duties were kind of an

in the prostitution house.

over-seer of the, or, what we presume.

as a house-mother? A es•

. Da you ana these twelve other girls live 111 the same place? A. Tea, we lived

together.. where did you Mid these twelve other girls live? A.

a gag that within the c mpound where tie prisoners are

In Block 31.

kept in the Prison Camp at

Dachau? A. Tea.

q. Khat did you do, just use one r on er part of a room of a block? A. There were

nineteen rooma all together in that building. Hleven Fooms Ker "orkne roc* for

, _ cn sleeping room. ne office room, and one wash andthe doctor. Cne dining room -ne S-eeP-e

toilet room. One waiting room

How iong aa you and the twelve other girls sorkat this Bordell in '

.. the time that/and the other twelve girl were kept in 31' ‘° permacuca t e cutskcs? a. . 11— • "1* one • “ in * 1!‘“* “T“opposat. our buniaing under the superviston or four 35 men-q. By whom were you brought from -avenobruck to achau *. By S3 officers.

Do you know the names of those SS ofrio re? *. The Camp Comnandor of Ravenebruck-

SURIN.

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Nhile you were house-mothe r

did ths other twelve

Nere they forced

girls do?

to receive

shortly after you were first brought

A. They were forced to receive the

to Dachau, what

visits of men.

prisoners and have sexual intercurse with thoee

prisoners 7 A. were forced to take as many men as possible

fused, we were punished

.her would these prisoners who wanted t use the girls usually come, in the daytime

or in the night time? A, Between six and nine o'clock at night.

. Do you me in that, every night, between six o’clock and nine o'clock the thr-

teen girls were forced to receive prisoners and have sexual intercourse with them O

and to receive as nany ren as you possibly could during that period ■ Ies, that

is what I mean.

4. You wars not forced to receive any men, because you were the house-mother, is

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that correct.? A. Th t is correct

Q

Q

Q

Did you know one, KA L LOSSL7

iho A. A pris ner

Did he break into your room and attack you? Yes

Did it become kn n to the SS that be L had broken into yor room and criminally

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attacked yo ? A C

Sere yot then ordered to do the same kind of work that '"he ther dir] •

doing and receive men and have sexual Interccurse with them? h

Did y u complain about that? A, • protested

A. To whom did you protest? A. To the SS ren.

. ihat, if anything, occurred when you pt tented to the S3 ren. A.

heavy lashes, was thrown into the ‘Standing lunge n‘ and got hardly any

proximately three weeks. I got water and bread only, and every fourth

I received

food for ap-

day a little

bit of watery eup.

ere you threatened, th t, unlees you returned to the Bordoll, and received men

that you would continue to receive the kind f treatment that you received during the

thrae weeks that you nere in the '-tending ungeon’ A. I was even threatened

wit' further aid harder tertures int^l 1 * uld commt auicide, if - wouldn’t re-

turn to the house of prostitution

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Oberschar fuhrer MILLIAM BACH and SSQ. By whom were you threatened? A,

Hauptscharfuhrer FRANZ BOTTGER

Q. After these threats you returned to the

Q. Were you forced to receive men and have

Borde11? A

ntercourse with them? A

G• Did the prisoners who had interoourse with theae women prsoners have to pay a

fee? A. They had to pay 19 Pfennigs for the girl they had intercourse with, and

10 Pfennigs for the h ouse-mother.

9• Were all of the priscners at the Dachau Camp permitted to go

have intercourse with the women prisoners? A. No.

• Khat became of thia money that nas paid by the prisoners for

That paid into our account a.

to thia Bordell and

thia service? A

Did Jou have to receive as many as ten, fifteen, and twenty prisoners each night?

We

all'•are you permitted t use/the money that you received free theae prisoners?

were allowed to buy toilet articles from the money we

double and triple prices.

Tou menticn that there wore alevan work rooms in the

received, but they charged

Block 31 that waa assigned

to you and the twelve other girls? A

Q lere these the rooms that you had to take the men to when y u had ntercourse?

G Tou mention that there waa a doct r th ere—uh at did

examine after they had intercourse whether they did not contract any disease or sores.

Every day somebodelse

from the camp hospital to perform that duty

understand, the prisoners were examined before and after they had intercourse?

unless he was a

Q. Kas that an SS Doctor? A, Xt waa a prison doctor

ha do? A. fnis doctor

la correct. X undorstand, after the interccurse the prisoners get an injecti n.

I fl

s

That

Did S5 soldiers keep guard over your quarters in Block 31

Hon long waa a prisoner permitted to stay in the room with a woman risoner?

Nhen a prisoner entered the room with a woman prisoner his time of entry was

checked by an SS nan

personal friend of the IS guard, who waa chacking the time. The longest that I

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for

Q. "ere there holes in these eleven rooma, where the women risoners recelvea the men

prisonere and had Intercourse with them? A

(Cont’d) know a san ever stayed was 20 minutes, and if hs stayed too long, he

ced out and brutally treated.

ting SS won to look at the inters*; urso from the outside,

Q. And, as I understand, before the asn prisoner was permitted to leave after

he bad had intercourse, he had to receive an injection of some kind? A. Tea, he

was injected with a disinfectant.

“* That was the aystem that was used by the Gersan SS hile they had you thirteen

girls locked up in Block 31? A. Ies.

“* As I understand, you are assisting as a nurse now helping many of the prisoners

who are sick and helping the Ans ri owns treat the thousands of diseased patients here

at thia camP» at the present tins? A. Yes, I have trained as a private nurse, and

can work aa a hospital assistant

Q. ho was the .ne that administered the lashes to you? A. An SS man by the name

of BACH.

have described?

only Eirl left at this Camp of those thirteen who were used as you

A. I aa the only one.)

A. The other nes were sent to Munich to work in the Kawara ferka Munich.CR S, EXAMIIA FION 3y CAPTI CLDE I. (EL ■Q. I hand you an Instrument which I willask the reporter to mark Exhibit "L~1"

and will ask you to examine that instrument, and tell us whit it is, if you know?

(Exx. "I-1" marked in evidence) A. This is a daily report of s working day of th

h use cf prostitution for December 16, 1944 at Dad au. The first column gives the

priscner number of female ria ners whose names appear under the col urn ’’Mara1',

This eolurn contains the nanes of twelve girls about which I have testified.

.. X noticed coluan No. 2; has the letters "NR“2 That la the nu b r f the room

Where a particular girl worked, that night.

A- I call your attenti n to the third name--whose name is that? a. Ehat is zy own

. Do Jou know the other eleven girls whose nanes are listed on Eghbit "L-1" com-

mencing with BALLAUF, WRLA, and ending with ZIBLL,

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appear "Zahl

is the number

of men who visited with tht wozan that night? A

That isthat does the column whch appears below the word "Betrag RU"7 A

amount of marks earned fro* those visitsUe

Ue ords "Davon 10% M Kasierfrl" mean?that does the column appearing under

That means the amount of 10% percent reserved for house-motherA

the words "Gutschrift zusammen" indicate?Hut did the figures appearing underQ

That column indicates the amount of money kept to the favor of the particular

girl, a ter the subtractin of 10% for the house-mother

I noticed that the last column under "Unterschrift" has what appears to be ths

be made each day showing the number of non prisoners who were received by the women

who ware confined in Block 31? A

isted, but we saw it, say, one out of every four or five days, and the figures given

forced.

Let me understand you:

were forced by the SS to receive menthose the names of twelve of Ue girls uh

prisonere and have inter course with them?

That is correctThat part is not falsified it it? A

of money that each prisoner had to pay for this service is correctThe amounts

Uis Exhibit, is it not? Aas set forth in

thich would

re were not correct. The signatures were falsified, and we were never well

names only sometimes, Soaetises they signed for us.

writing, Sir. Any SS man would sign for us next to our nene

received ten marks? That part is correct, isn't it? A. Ies, but not always.

girl might have had twelve visitors and the girl would obtain the figure ’8' in

Q. Do you know of your own knowledge that a report similar to Exhibit "L-1" had to

signature of the girls, is that correct? A. That is correct

is your signature beside the name "H, LSTaIcZ"? A. That is not my own hand-

A. I now direct your attention to oolunn 4, where the following words

Q. I ask you to look at colun Mo. 3, on the right hand side, and ask you if that

and will ask you what th it column indicates? A. That

show, that, if ten risoners visited a girl during one evening,

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A. (Cent) Visitor’s column.

Q. You know of your own knowledge that the

were used by the SS in the manner whdch you

eleven girls listed on Exhibit "-a1"

have heretofore testified at thin

Bordell? A. That is trte

Testimony adjourned 1500 hours 12 Xay 194..

HANKA LESIENICZ

ATTSSTSD:

' AVI. CHAVAZ, JR., /Colonel, JAGD., * Investigator-xaminer.

I certify that the above testimon was translated to the witness in her 9• language, prior to her aignature "h-eh appears above.

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Tec 3 ISIDC1 M• AST.a 32 115 631 WCIT 0823, H. MT USA (J. A. Section) APo 887,

V. 5. kny appeared before the Investigator Examiner as a reporter ana wan sworn by

him U the following forn: "You swear that you will faithfully perform the duties

of reporter in this Investigation now being conducted by me, so help you God."

PAUL SHIDELAN appeared before the Investigating EGcaminer ane testirted as rolloma:

Q. Tour name is PAUL 3EIDSMANM? A. Yes,

.. .... and now can be e ntacted atQ. Md you usee to llwo at Pr*IIt Vladislavova 8, c/o Pokorny, Miroslav Pregue II

Lazareka 6? A. Yes.

Q. Do I understand that Pragmsha» been eivieed int 19 parts, and you 11ve in the

second part, or Prague II? A. Yes.

Q. Row old aro you? A. 16,

“ Kara Jou eone to echaol? A. Yes, I have had five years ot elementary sche ,1.

S• I notice that you are speaking to me in English? A. Yes.

“ Can you understand mme, when I ask you thene quezttons? A. Yes, I underotana.

.. bow de you bap on to opeak Angliah? A. My tath r han taught me. Ha has been

5 years in Englana.

Do you uncerstand what it weane to take an oath? A. Yee.

“hat does it mean? A. It meane that 1 van toll the truth.

— le aro irvestigating the conditions at Dachau Frieon Camp, and aome alleged atroo-

O ities perpetrated by the Getiman S3. I an Anformee that you ecem to know something

about these conditions and aleo of other atrocities comnitted at the Auschwitz and

other places. Are you willing to taka ar. oath and testity as to what you know of

these conditions and atrocities? A. T«a.

Q. Stand up, raiee your right hand, and be sworn. Zou,YPAUL ssnauax, do solemnly

swear that the testimny you are abort t give in the investigation n« belng con-

• acted by me will ba the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so hel>

you god? A. X do.

Plrot tell us how many were there in your family? A. There were three er Us—

my father, ay mother and I.

• Give • your Bother and father's nenel A. me father is GAnoLV szrD2uNM

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At which one did they die?

1942. Autun-- Fall

A. (Coat'd) and the .-nether la GRETA BIx SEIDEXNT

4. X

Do you know how your Tather and mother met their death?

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Did they die in a German

"as your father and mother and youreelf

whole family on the 22nd, October 1941, in Prague by

Prague t j —tzmanstadt, Poland, and Erom Litzmanstadt we went to the Car at Auschwitz-

Birkenau. From Birkenau, we went to Auschwitz. Ana I am going into the camp at Birkenau.

Thore I was one week, and I went to Auschwits. In Auschwitz I was eeven months to the

end of January. In January the H a a lane cane diary rear and th. ,

and we went ;e went fron Litamanstadt, and there, in

Birkenau, a selection took

and the str ng peo le went on the other aide. I was selected c

areata on the other side

And what happened to your parents? A. I didn't see, but the old people are ging

tn the gas chanbar

The bes ti n that y uhve la that y ur father and mothar were put in a

gaa cha oar after they were selected, as you have tola us, at uschwitz, Bir enau

When was it that you were selected tog on A. In the autumn of 1942.

Aas that mother? A

hen did yeu come to the Dachau Three weeks ago

abut 10 days before the Americans took the camp over? three

A

over?

V "ere -n the roup that cace to Dnchau three day a before we took the camp

Approximately 2,000.

here did this 2 From Plossenburg,

Q.

Mhat becane f th* other 4,0007

He

suits.

I was working in a store-

house where suite from dead prisoners had been stored

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4,000 of which died on th* way7 •• -es•

q. Dia th* Geraans kill very many on th* march between Hlossenburg and Dachau? *

later that day—on* loaf each,

D. Lttle boy, what 2 your nati nality? A, Czechoalovakian.

a. You were 12 years of age at th* tima that you were taken by th* German S- with

A, 2,000

day* before the--A, 2,00 0

thi* 4,000,-2,000 died on th* way.

That account* for 6,000. First part was 2,000, and the last was composed of 4,000,

your father and mothert *. -ore than 12,—-22 yeurs*

q. And you have been con fined in thm Cerxan Frisen Camps up to th* prezent day

atous, raw. Before the trip started we had got on* lIter of aoup, and 1/6 of a

T**, the people were marc?kor 8 day*. They ehot all those unable to go.

q. Please describe some of th* conditions that prevalled on that trip" A.

alept in th* meadows. Furthermore, it happened that 20 or 30 of th* people

able to gat on their feet after spending the night in such a condition, and

Germans would shoot tham. Co th* secnnd day, we got three potatoes cooked,

Q. 'hat did you do at these prison campe? a. In Litzmanstadt on detail* working with

metal. Ke wade capsules for cartridges. ;* made all kind* of grenade part*, we

q. I* thi* in a prisn7 A, The factory where/prinoners worked wa* in a ghetto at

Litznanstadt. In uschwitz I worked at a storehoune of

Q. Sa a that where they made *ult* for the Geraan arny7

Dachau? A. Dachau? Nothing.

6,000How many prisoners left Plossenburg on thi* trip” *

Maw many arrived at Cachau? A. How many ar* coming?

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Q.

Q

loaf of bread

a, what did you receive a* a food ration after th* second day, when you had th*

three cooked potatoes and th* three raw potatoss? A. de did not recelve anything

uceot on th* gixth day, one loaf of broad. In th* morning six men and on* loaf.

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a. were you aotng anytning an noesenburg’ A. 1usa sorvant An the heu", hereI lived. A Miossonburg,1, together with thar young prisoners worked eleaning u the

block washing the dtshes and scrubbing the floors and cleanng the tablem*Q. Have you soun very many boys like y urself A prisonere of the OemMs

during the last few yearet A, oh, yeo, x have seen very many at Hezeanstadt,

very many in Auschwitz. There also have been very young boys there.

a. I maan yvung boys betmeen, say, the ages of 10 to 16 yeare? A- °h, n

Birkenau, there were many jo ng bys.a About how zary young buye were held in Birkenau--held by the Oeraaae, as prisonere

A. Five to six hundred at one time.

mhat bacame of these young boys that were taken by the Germane?A,3very two "eeks

there has been a selection. in Birkenau, Fr. uano RLZ fixad on his shoulder •paulettes

a piece of wood. It was about 1m and 50cm high, ene every boy, all the boys, had

to pace under this piece of w cd, and any boy who ma too wall to reach it with his

head, he had been killed.mho in this Dr. wnno uuaA. That has been the first 33 Doctor at the Birkenau

Hospital of the whole canp.

a. Is he a member of the 36? A, Yes, he was SS•

q. Did you ever hear of a man by the name of MoL1? A. MOLLT He was the director

of ths gas crematorium in Birkenau, Auschwita.

Q tero you at Auachuitz-Birkenau when my was there? A. Ies, X was. firstmhat is MOLL'S full nama? A. ss Obers charfuhrer MOLL. I do hot know his/naae

q. Shat was done with these young boys who did not reach up or who were set as tall

as the attck that the doctor put on his shoulders? A. They went to the gas chamber-

Did you ever see the gaa chamber at Auschwitz—Birkenau A. Ies, - saw -t onl

from the utsido. I worked on a detail ehich br ught wood to the crezaatoriun, end it

was close to the gas chamber.How long were you at Au schwita- Birkenau? A. I was at Birkenau one week. Then

I went to auschuitz, and I was at uschwlts 3 montha. Then I went to Gross Rosen.

From Grous Rosen we left who the Bnisniens cane and ent to Hlossenburg, and from

Hlossenburg we came to Dachau.

q. Mere there any women ris ners at the Auachnita-Birkenau Camp? A, in Canp

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at Austhe nationalities of the prisoners wh were ConfinedQ. hat were

Dgchau Camp? t

at Birkenau? A, Most prisoners were Hungar-an "e""* ine5 "5

and Polish, and Czechs, and prisoners fro the whole of urope.

Q. Do you know whether Cberecharfuhrer MOLL 1s

many Russians,

the eane person that later went to

Q. ihile r the Germans, have you boen thrown in with

prisonera

Q Little boy I notica that you have a tattooed nmber on your left arm, "hat is that?

A That 1* the

Please read to us

B, and this is the number.the

for the record, /Serios and the number that is tattooed n

your left your wrist and your elbow? A, B 7,673

it thnt the number was tattooed on your arm? At Birkenau.

srrival in the camp.

Q.

Ithough

Q

I am t id that only those pris ners that were to stay at Birkenau were tattoos

all the ether pris rare that you met at Birkenau tattooed with a number as you

A

persnneiwho operate- the huschwitB-Birkenau Frison

Yes.You have mentioned Dr. 22XGALB and MoL---ho olset

Aunchwta, Cberaturafuhrer HSSLE&, Oberscharfuhrer

Rapportfuhrer KADUK in

CHNIR, Rap port fuhrer HARTaIG

Did you bars occasion to sue how

from the can.’ at Auschwits—Birkenau

were taken away. They were stripped

of the Uys as they could push into

in the erection er the gas chamber.

the men or boys were handled when they were taken

to the Gas charber? A. Yes, in automobiles they

and onl; clad ir a shirt. They placed as

ne automobile

It was a most terrible sight because the

many

boys

5 -

. CCont’d) realized that they wore going to their death.

Do you recall occasions at Auschwita--airkenau when prisc non

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who had tried to

escape nere recuptured and brought back to the Frisan Camp? A, Tas.

G• "hat would be oo me of those prisoners after they had been brought back! A. They

would atrip the prisoner, pua label around his nook saying "I aa here again."

They would leave him standing at attention 24 hours in the cold open air, and then

he wae hanged. nee I saw five prieonera hanging at the same tine. These prisiners

bad eacaped and were captured.

.. “hen was it that you saw five pris nere bang'ng at Auschwitz-BIrkenau? A. I be-

llave

I

would

that it was in January 1945.

hoticed that you have khaki shoris and a white shirt, and some sandals. I

14k to aak you, where did you get that outrit? a. This was to me at

thla camp by Czechs. .

G "hat did you wear when you were brought to Canp Dachau? A. A striped prisoners

outfit.

Testlmony adjurned 1500 hours 17 Zay 1945.

ATTLSTED:PAUL SEIDEMANIN,

DaVID CHAVEZ, Jr,, Col. JAOD, ‘ Investigator Examiner.

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EXHIBIT

Testimony of BROAISTAW LISEISKI, taken at Dachau, Germany,

Too 3 ISIDOR M. AST& 32 115 631, 6823, Kq. ETOUSA (J.

1045 hours, 17 May 1945

Section) APO 837, U, S

Army, appeared before the Investigator Examiner as a reporter and was sworn by hi* in

the following fora: "You swear that you will faithfully perforn the duties of reporter

in this investigation now bing conducted by me, Bo help you God."

Mr. JOHN ASHTON ALPAR, 28 Bournehill, Palmers Green, London, N.13, appeared before the

investigator Egaminer as an interpreter and was sworn by hia as follows: "You swear that

you will truly interpret in thia Investigation now belng conducted by me, so help you

d,"

LISEISKI appeared before the Investigating Examner and testified at follows«

Q Tour name is BNONISTAW LISEWSKI? A

Q Mr. LISEKSKI, we are making an investigation of alleged atrocities and cruelties com-

mitted by the German SS in the operati n of the Dachau Prison Camp at Dachau, Germany

Are you willing to take an oath and testify aa to what you know of there alleged atroci­

ties and the conditions of the Dachau Prison Camp while the German 53 operated this

Do you understand the meaning of an oath' A

Q. dill you kindly stand up, raise your right hand and be sworn. "You, BRONISTAW LIS-

EISKI, do solemnly ewear that the testimony yourare about to give in the investigation

the whole truth, and nothing but the

truth, 8o help you God." I

Q Tour nano is BRONISTAG LISEKSKI, and you live at Torun, Sczytna Strasse 17, Poland?

Tou have been a prisoner at the Prison Camp here at Dachau? A

years.

Q. During what month did you come to Dachau in 19401 A. 9 May, 1940

Q. Who was the Lager Rommandant, at the time you came here in 1940 at the Dachau

Prison Camp? A. Piork ouski

Do I understand that, after PICRI HSKI, the Lager Kommandants were ASISS, and then, atheIast, before the Camp was taken over by the Americans, that a nan by the nama of MSITER

was Kormandant?

Q mmanders, were, under PI. RKOISKI? A. ZILL

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A* (Cont’d) HOFTAN, J and one other Hauptsturmfuhrer, whom I can't, remember

Prson

KRAMMa, CAMPE ,--CAMPB took the place ©f RETTaITZ later

third Schutshaftlager fuhrer

well? A

Who was the Lagar Komasncant over aaL.Taar

only left shortly before the liberation of the

had to join a labor detachment

us to sing Congo as we marched, in

Political Department.

. Ies, I was working two yearsQ• Did you know Haup to ebar fuhrer WELTLR very

under his conaand, building garages.

on and, MELTLR, who wee the

NELTERto work. At that time, we

Who wore the Prison Camp Commando rounder the administration of W8ISS? A. The

•• were marched out of the camp every morning by

। didn't epeak German yet, but the order was given to

erman. Naturally, the column could not sing, and so

xa8M€4

er -ehuthaftlagerfuhrer under WaISS were Baron IICHAEL VON A8TTSI

Q. ho wore the schutahattlegerfuhrere under WEITAAT

GUN, BSTTGI--was a Rap ortfuhrer. BACH was rrom the

G• Therefore, WhUJl was here under the administration of PICRKOISXI, aISS, and

mIranT A. Yes, that is correct.

A. TLTa was hers continually

A. RUPPKT, LIP MAMN, TAENKL&

Q. Do you know about any atrocities committed by WELTE? A. Tea.

Q Please tell us about those brutalities, and give us the time when they were com-

mitted, and the place where they were committed, and by whom, and the facto, surrounding

the atrocities. A, Ahen I arrived in the camp, my comrades and myeelr from Foland

De SB said to us, "Oh, you don't want to sing?", and made us frog leap for hours on

end, until we collapsed free, exhausti n. At the same time, we were bng kicked and a

beaten continually, “e had to crawl on our elbows down/muddy road. At that time,

we were sent orr to work, This haspened every day. Another time, I saw asLna throw

a friend of mine, who was a Polish Flight Lieutenant, into a ditch, filled with defeca­

tion, besides the latrine. .ben my friend was covered with this derecation, he was

picked up by a Cape, named KAP?, and LLTL& took him to the pigsty. He was made to

kneel down a ongst the pigs,and there, IELTa& turned a water hona on his, ocouring him

in his face until be collapsed, saying all the while, "Don't you want to fly, you Polish

swine?" After a half hour, the pris nor regained consci usness, and, upon seeing this,

“LLT R kicked him and ordered his to get up. Hear the pigsty was another ditch alee

filled with defecati n as well as with other dirt, and the prisoner was thronn in thett

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(Cont.) The fugitive had to cross a ditch near the carage, and

arose the fields while JAROLIN, ZILL and I, followed hm on foot

Meanwhile I was interpreting in German for the foruer fugitive. We

got to a field with a hich fence constructed of stout wooden polesand barbed wire. The young nan climbed the fence, followed by ZILLand myself. Mhemn JARCLIn tried to cllmb the fence, the pole collapsod

flinging JARCLIn into a ditch full of water. The boy, of course.

laushed, when he saw the pole collnpse. When JARCLI saw the boy :

lnughinc, he clipped out his revolver and nhot him donm. The three

33 took him beck to the camp, so I don’t know whether the bey diedInstantlyv or what happened to hl a afterwards. This happened inNovember 1941, within the outer camp area or the C ncentration Canp

at Dachau. When we got back to the guardhouse, after JARCLIN had

shot the man, we entered the guard room, JARCLII put hi a revolver

down in front of ma end said, "if you breathe a wo rd of this thing,

you will suffer the same fate*. Then I was permittedto enter thecemp attain.

CROTS EAMIMATION BY CAPTAIN CLYDE L. TALKER

Do you recall any ocensions when prisoners were held in the

ntockn? A. It was quite a daily occurrence to nec 60 to 70 pri-

coners hanged by the wrists each day. One day a prisoner, one of my

vorkIns comraden, was punished for having stolen. In tho erage

we had a wood pile about 12 feet high. The prisoner was placed on top of this wood pile, where he had to stand holding a heavy brick

in each hand. It was a very bitter cold day, in January 1941 Atnoon, the prisoner is ordered to come down, but he could not, His

hands vere frozen, and the flesh stuck to the bricks. He could onlymove a little. in the end, he mennge to get off the wood pile, and

was taken to the hospital. I don’t he

know what sort of trgatmentreceived in the hospital, but I do know that, a few days later,

lied. About trannporta I only know thnt those whone faces were I

themselves sick and weak, were sent away on transports. Later on we

heard from relatives of these comrades thatthe men hndlost their

lives. When, during the winter of 1944 to 1945, the typhus epldemie was most powerful, new arrivals were alwnys plnced in the typhus

blocks, so that they could nls get the illness.

Tentimony adjourned at 1170 hours on 17 Xay 1945.

BN0ISTAWLISEJSXI

ATTESTED:

DAVICHVE,3r.,Colonel, EACD,

I certify that the above tea- timony was transnto to the witnesn in hs own lnnsungo, prior to his Blgnnture which appears above.

30127A5

Palmers Grorn, London interpreter.

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Toe 5 Janos Lundy, 32355293, Hq 6th Army Gp, appeared before the Investicato-

Examiner as a reporter and was sworn by him in the folloving form: "You mear tha

you will faithfully porform the duties of reporter in this investigation now being

JOSEPH RRANISC

What la your address? A. Trebenice 66, BohemA.

How old are you and what is your nationality? A, Iamor Czech nationality and

Q. Do you understand the meaning of an oatht A, Tea.

Q. This is an investigation of war erimes and atrocities supposedly commited at

Camp Alach. Are you willing to take an oath and to testify as to what you know of

Canp Allach? A, Tea.

Q. Raise your right hand and be swor. "Do you, JOSBPH BTLABRC, swear that the

evidence you shall give in this investigation now being conductod by me, shall be the

truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you Cod."

Bl is the address you have given above your permanent address? A,

I do.

are living there.

assisting French Prisonors of Kar and other slave laborers of France to escape by

helping thus with compass and maps

Czechoslovakia and was forced to work for the Geneane

buildings in the BUS aeroplane section near Lunich

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Have you neen anything on these Jobs that you wish to relate?

knoum the usual brutalities for a long timo

for as zuch as twelve hours a day, sometimes more, seldom less. We worked seven

days a week as a rule. Toward the end here we were receiving about one eighth of

a loaf of bread, some watery soup with potatoes at noon and in the evening soup or

made out of grass. Some Jundays we received marmalado or a spoonful of sugar,

These brutalitios you mention, what do you nean by the brutalities. Can you b

moro specific? A. This last plant which I was working in had a civilian Xazi who

was a farecan in the T•, Bm moans Bavaria Motor Works, This plant is located

"U Munich, Ny friend, XUBIAK, Goorg13, a Lusslan from Charkev, and I were working

together in this plant building heads for aircraft motors, and KUBIAK accidentally

damaged his machine. As he could not stop the machine when it went wrong it was

ruined. It could not bo fixed riept. away and the Nazi civilian foreman who was

a man by the name of HorIa ordered that KUBIAK be hangod for sabotage. KUBIAK

was like all the rest of us as a ; risonor. We had to make as many as thirty-tw

motor heads a day while free German civilians only had to make around eighteen.

Their food was normal with all extras the plant could get for them.

double the production of the civiliana with less than one quarter of

e had to

the food.

AK was hanged on the 2nd of Novenbor 1944. The machine had been damaged somo-

me in Septomber 1944 and XUBIAK kept richt on, working and up until

Potober or- the first of November 1944 he was still working notified

that Berlin had ordered his execution. We knew that the Nazi civilian foreman had

started it. This was about the first day of Novenber 1744 when the S3 came into

the plant on the night shift and took him amay, why we did not knov

ing the next day in canp, resting for the night shift, thon they woke us about

2:00 o'clock in the afternoon, we wore taken out to a gallcus that had been built

in canp was brought out accompanied by two 33 men with dogs KUBIAK cried

that he is not guilty and told us to give his parents hi bast regards. Under the

gallows he cried "long live Stalin," and then GAOLIII, the camp comnander, said

"Shut up, ou suine." Then the hangman from Dachau who did all of these hangings* \

put the rope around his neck. The next day, worcT-m made the announcement that

irons else who spoilod material or who wasted anything would be hangod like KUHIAK

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to fix md IOFNICETERIa maperlor aata that the whole thne "as shl

n of the group. All the kicking ani boatins msrpEA did it. SCHIEIDER had a dog that he had

. There is a boy in tha camp now with cuts and

r. mat was the oocasion for this rough treatmertt A The podaetdon rate was

ooreamuany raised amd if we couda not attain the daily demand scroEEE would

ma ue double +imo, or make us drop flat on our stomach in the mud or water

Do you have anything further you wiah to say?

Testimony adjourned at 1600 hours on 15 May 1945•

ATTEST:

“viv2,, Colonel, J.A,G.D. ‘

I oertify that the above testimony

. wan translated to the witness in

his own language, prior to his

signaturo, which appears above

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KXHIBIT

on 23 Hay 1945•roc 5 Jamas tandy, 32355293, Hq 6th Amy Op, appeared before the invostteator-

xaminer as a reporter and wan aworn by him in the following form: "You swear

conducted by ae, so help you God."

Ur. Fred A. Sant, appeared as an interpreter and was oworn by the invest! gator-

Examiner in the folloming form: "You swear that you will truly interpret in this

investigation now being conducted by mo, so help you God."

fled as follow*:

What are your names? A. ANNI RIBSTEIN and FELA RIBSTEIN•

How old are you Anni? I am nineteen ym old

I am twenty years old.How old are you Fela?YOu

Q. Where is your home, that is, where are/going to live upon your vdease” A in

the District of Vilna, Poland in the city of Krewo.

Q. Do you understand the meaning of an oath? A. Too.

. We are looking into the atrocities concerning the women at the Landsberg camp

Are you willing to take an oath and tell us what you know

A

Gm Please stand up, raise our right hand, and be sworn,

and FELA MIBSTEIN, swear that the evidence you shall give

cone erning the Landsberg

•Do you, ANNI HIBSTEIM

in this invostigation now

being aonducted by me, shall be the truth, the whole truth, ana nothing but the

truth, so help you God." AUNI - I do. I do.

. Have you always been together from the tine that you were picked up? A. Yes,

we were picked up with our family by the Gestapo in Krewo in 1941. «e have been

to a great many Jewish concentration and prson camps, namely, Leningrad, Russia;

Riga, Latvia, Estonta; in Stutgart and finally arrived in Landsberg in Augunt 1942- Q. Row Many women were in the camp when you arrived at Landsberg’ A. “e arrived

at lager #4 and we found about two hundred women including our trans por*•. Mow long did your remain at Canp 1, in Ue month of Lay they sent us to

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thiak as my thumb and,when the SS did um it, it would leave welts on our bodies

> lived in the earthen huts that wereShat were your living conditions?

of the hut.

the center trench filled up with water so that in the middle of the nightit rained

get up and with pails bail the trench out

ourselves clean and we never did sufferquarters because we tried to keep

le had coffee made from Tannbark forMhat did your rations consist of

thin soup and the lucky ones found abreakfast.

took the bark off the tannen trees

for a distance of twenty kilometers

the

the

receivedQ.

better treatment because one of the nurses was a Catholic 1

ve received exactlycleaner in the hospit‘1.

other women prisoners;

le had to push heavy cement carts at least

or one day. We helped the men to build lagers

etely shaven. Rap port fuhrer T EMPLE himself beat us with his hands and kicked

During the roll call he used his club upon us at his own whim.

constructed in the tandaberg area. We slept with twenty-five zomen to each side

hospital myself.

ANNI, what kind of treatment did y u receive in the hospital

A. KC had one German 53 woman with the

Christian name of KRIKA. Our Rapportfuhrer was Unterscharfuhrer TRLIPLE•

winding cleaning out the SS quarters and office buildings.

Q. mhat nappenod to a woman if she became 111? A. One block was designated as

hospital and women who were ill were cent there. I, MB

piece of unpeeled potatoes. For the evening weal we received one sixth, later one

eighth of a loaf or bread and twice a week we received a saall piece of margarine.

Q. mhat type of labor did you perform, if any" A. we worked in the fields and

#6 and 49, it being the task of the women to string the barbed wire in those

camps and put it up. Homen generally had to do all of the work in the lager in-

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Q A.

becane • sick lager and all of the healthy prisoners were moved to Lager #3.

Q. What can you say as to the general conditions of lager 63 as compared to

Lager 44? A. The conditions were about the sane but it was worse in that we

were overcrowded and there were over 400 women in the canp. In the wash room at

both Campa #3 and 4 we had only four water spigots, two on either side of the room

Our beatings were uninterrupted, work continued as before, but of course there were

more women per hut.

MNy and how many were transferred from Lager 43 to Lager flOT Ihara were

Anteon of us transferred from Lager 43 to Lager 419 because there was some work

WVbe done in the 3S quarters and the S3 lager. We were kept separated from the

won and were not allowed to speak to them.

• Will you eompare the conditions of Lager mo with Lager 63 and Lager #4z

A. Since there were only fifteen of us in one hut our lot becane considerably

better. "e had the inside of our huts white-washed and even boards were placed

on the dirt floor for us. With so few women in one hut we kept it scrupulously

clean. We had the continual woman guard but since she was stupid we did not re­

ceive any beatings. Our lot ms considerably better but the food remaned always

the same. Our lot was considerably Improved becaune the 33 realized that the

Americans ware drawing close to the caap and our treatment began to improve

Q. How did you happen

ometera and arriv ed

to go from Lager 10 to Dachau? A. e hiked seventy

at Dachau three days before the Americans took over th

• ow many camps were there in the Landsberg area and if you know any by nano,

lease name the* A. There were eleven can s in all. lamp n was in Landsberg;

lamp 3 was in Kaufering; Caup 64 was in Hurlach; Camp 85 was in Turkheim;

66 was north of Landsberg

but I do not know where 11

lamp #7 was the canp to which convale

4 and that was where

the musslans were located; Jamp /10 was in Utting; Canp 111 was where my brother

and it was north of Landsborg.

camp with which they were associated;

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UnterscharfuhrerMIRDELL and TEPLE

sturmbannfuhrer BLAMKE and Oberscharfuhrer mi n<x

Old you have anything else to say for this record?

in the camp were Jewish and most of the men were Jewish. Many times we would

hear the sen shriek out because they were being so unmercifully beaten. We

have seen persons beaten unmercifully in the Jewish ghettos, and in many places

The beatinga that we were subjected to, both men and women, at Landsberg, were

just as bad as we have assn anywhere, the only differense being that in the

Ghettos the 33 would resort to more than clubs, namely, handgrenades, to inflict

death and misery upon us

Testimony adjourned at 1200 hours on 23 May 1945

ANNIRIBSTEIN

FELA RIBSTEIN

a avid .Colonel, J.A.G.D. /

I nvestigator- Examiner

I certify that the above testimony was translated to the witness in her own language, prior to her signature, which appears above.

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ee 3 xarocn u. ASToA, 32115631, worr 6823, BTOUSA (3. a. Section), APO 887,

byhdninun tolomdng fem "Lou smgar tnat you »n faithfully perform th. <

of roporter in this investigataon now being conducted bym,"o help Jou God-" s/sgt. ALmap >. LAURENCE, 33625383, *1 MTOUSA, (J. A. 8cetion), APO 887, U. s

foMlcvang form •You mmear that you win trely interpret in thle Anvestigetlon

follow.I

Q. Fatner murnuxu, we ar. anvestigating th. conditions which exlated et th. Con- contratton Luar at Daehau, oenany, and allogoa atroctios and eruelties eo mtted hr th. Goraan ss whan thay ware operating this camp. Are you willing to be sworn

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atrocities? A. Yes,g. Do you understand th. meaning of an oath? A. Tes sir.q. Pons: stand up, raise year right hand and be sworn. "You, ALFRED RAUPTANI, do

solemnly m*r that the testimony you are abcut to give in the investigation now beinE

qguetad by ne ahall be th. truth, the whole truth, and nothing hut th. truth, so

hp you Godr" A. I do.

q. Tour full mm i. ALRED HAUPNAN, ana you Hw at Lode, Poland, Badsvaneka U?

D~ 3

Q. Please tell us your age, •

ana an a Protestant dorgyman.

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accused of having colonzed the Protestant churchos in Poland

Nere you arrested at Lode, Poland? A Yes, Sir, I was arrested in Loda, Poland

child ran and my parents were throw, out

and children sere taken to Narsaw. The furniture

and belonginga were taken away by

What is your nationality? A

Old you commit any crime or offense to warrant your being arrested by the Gestapo

in 1939? A. I have never coeaitted a arise, but was arrested for having been a crim-

Q. hpproximately bow many prisoners were there at

December 19407 A. Between 10,000 and 12,000 9

Approximately how many pris nera wer there at the lachau Camp as of the 29th of

April 1945 when the Americane took the camp over? More than 30,000 3

D 0

Can you

conrined at

glves the approxlmate number of prisoners tht have been continuously

Dachau. That is, can you give us the reasonable average of prisoners

that have been conrined, say, for the yeer 1941, 1942, 1943, 1944, ano 1945? A.

dsan vt1mate the risuren as approxizntely 15,000 curine the first two years --

that nunber increased fro year to yeawntil there were ever 30,000 in the year 1945.

Dle a great number of the prisenere die while they were ir. confinement as pri-

X cannot give any figures, but Ikmw from the

group of Fellah priests to which I belonged, almost 50 percent died in Dachau

are new transports or prisoners continuously arriving at Dachau t replace thote

had died had been executea? Continuously. During sone weeks

we had several transports of newcomers and transports kept coming in

other risoners with you on the trans ort that brought you to the

prison camp at Lachau? A, a case free Sachsenhausen in a transport containing

500 roll ah priests o- it when I reachea Cachau.

.hat had these 500 Polish priets done to warrant theft* arrest and confinemant

at Dacha u Concentration Camp, if you know?

by that

while

position

Q

hanging by the wrists for hours at a line

another chain which was pulled over a beam

chain for hours at a tine.

hanging and that they were

the hanging f

the front

Q. Do I understand then, that when these priests were released, they were compelled

I have three very good personal friende

who, in that manner, became soldiers of the German ary

4* Did you ever hear of any priests being hanged by the wrists at the Dachau Frison

Tea, I have heard of many cases, and I can mention several names of p

They told me, in detail, how they were hanged

by their wrists in the fashion usual in Dachau, and also beaten up while they were

Q. Did they describe to you how they were hanged by the wrists? A

ne how their hands were tied by a chain behind their back, and then connected with

Several told me they were swung back and forth

o beaten while they were in that de fen sel

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eat food with, so

I do not think that anya direct oonsequence of th. hanging.

pains in their shoulders, backa, and

on "hi « their uriats were fastened

pulled upward over the beet f their

that we

Q. Did

died as

Q. Did

wrists.

Q. “hen th. cha la was pulled up and hookea

behind their back, were the wist, ana arm.

Q. Toe Mention that some or the apte.t. _ .. .1635 were sent away as invalls. Mhat do you

— W that’ *. Those traneports were sent out of Dachau canp auring u w‘ 1941 and 1942 especlelly. Thay conaistee of thre. eroupo or prisonera. Friponers *. had physical defecte, prisoners who aza notPrisorere who.. presence was denecrable to soma Block Leader,

G.or 33 men.

were these Invalida sent to?whore th a. invalid transports were sent to

Sir, we were never officially informed

. We did learn unortictally that +h seprU-M. o thene transports externinated at various places, gasscd." dU, t from the polatical departanra at cam— these "en had been placed in nomes. note. signa , xcx;Chief of the Political Department in Dachau.

• • you MU., th. Invalde trenesort aetual, rachas or mer A. , 60 no kno" that- I kow homaver, that the pereonal belengings of thon. rasoners * MM on tk„ tran orta were rigt away berit to their famdikoc, Sust 11k. tne persontl belongines of the prisonere M. dUd .t Dachau mm sant t M.lr IMUIm.

be exterminated? . I have heard frequently that those pris-ners wereto uthaunen An Hna, Austda. This place containea/*ery Concen-

tation CMP MU . very Aleh death MU. ... hae heare tnat the Lautnauson C ncentrat „ Camp contatned , gas chamber, gar-carte, and a. on, for, th. utmlu-

"“the “authausen Concentration Camp operated by the A.

"ere repponeible.

Q. Is the Mantel - - - - - - - - - - "5- "5 nom ame nE the political prisoners or * "eteh *• beina one or the most notortous and am, A. z a. Enon

nihtrenhton aivid• the Concentratton into thra. aroupa.

r-, 5" TP - Fer inataneo, Secheenhausen, and the woret sonttined " 1k "authauson, Natsmeller, Monsenbure, Lubzan, others.

Q. About how

"ud these Invalid Tranpporte leave the Dachau Camp?

"onth or alao bow less than that.

any prLoonere usualy went in one or thos. traneporte.

A. si* or

averege figure was around 100.The

" ""n‘ 165’ four, and five hundred in a transport?Only in the last traneporte „ht.. ,,, . .,PWW "hich ofticially were sent to Auschwitz Camp, "eh conteined Jaw unable to work, *e had as many a. . enousana invalid, at " "hat wars yar duties when yo first ceme t th Dachau cap ,

A,

at first employed to cloan the block where I was living. I had nothing, but menia1"or ror two years. Since Novemhar 10135 "ovember 1942, I have been working in the the pisonera’ belongings are kept.

storerocm where

G• What were duties in the orHice the personal belonginga or the prisoner.

thres weeks in the correspondenceweeke I have disinfected clothing. Then I worked for

that office.

who kept records in that

R• Kere the recorda and

A. Yes sir, that ia tha

•Hr sinc, I have been working in connect on

I waa actually in charge or al the prlsoners

• ra nal errects of prisoners kept under your supervision

0 " °eete office at the Fison Camp, is uteide or the compouna? A. n a inaide or t. e oouna that located nside

where the prisoners

"hat KInd ofree,«did you kee. An that. aepatment? a.core of all prisoners present in Dachau Camp

"e kept a complete re-

• and Dachau out-stations, and also made

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A. "Cont’a notes regarding changes, adetttons, releases and doatha.De you koeP ary rerds in eonnectten wieh the death of Junish prisonaror A.

Te Thoo reords m aurUd onayom Lnattattve. jowe er. brouet to m.in "r lare mauobers, usunlly ate not bping any porsonal balonetnas, .o that

th. S3 "an vale " neod no rocores about the Jems. 1 arguad, a mover, that we naa t U« do .t Um . MM of their naies, that .. had • c aslat. o• 11 tobb antriw. . tharefore Nave a comglete rogister of an ana th.lr aoata la our files.• non show you Um ereyish books, Sueberadlas Book Mo. b- 22097-37202,Boo. fc. 2, 77105-127628, Book Mo. 3, 12761%, wnich sata three books x hav. as kod tha roporte" t M •• "a" for Mauptnann, or 1 «u ask you ar you can -domit’ boke and tel us what they are? (hunt m-1" aarked in avLaonc.)

A. Thoe" Ite.. bote, contained the caJority of the Jexte pris ner. who came t Pactau by nane, first darthday, nor musber, and eventun aontn. may were kept in our orrice.- er th.» throe Booke nerked "9-1" kept in your ofFlce ana undor youe wupor vision? A. Yes,.. Kill Uk you t 1eok at pago Runbet 2 ot Book 1, Lnabat m-1 ana antth. record th. "ord at the top of that pego? a. 2nterpreted: Now ontrias or Ju„ 27, 1944 from Concentration Camp Auuchwitz.

p I nt that th. rim nueber on ago 2 of Book 1, ax. eo arn tha"eber 82*677, and 1. in th. nase of one, sz m aztez and I wn aSk you a mppened tat you cave prinoner Szors zzta Nunsber a2,897 a. Tha, mumberwas not diven by me, sir, but by th. Polatical Departnert or Camp cachau.• Did *e rolitical Boyartent at Caap Dachau ten you to dve prinna szor:a Eszta

Number 82,897? A. Yes.

• "er th. oFiecnersziven thetr nunber in t polatcal Departansa A. Yes, thay got tha opea running nunber as they came in.“ "ould th. Political opartnent e ve you • nueber and Ue nan. f th. prisoner A. Yes, that was th. ea ... And then " d you jet u t Ur into ems recorar A. Yea, ezncty.

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I noticed that yo commenced th* records marked Book 1, Exhibit "H-]" on

the

A.

"hat records did yen keep as to the Jewish prisoners prior to that time?

Prlor to that time,,I kept a case of blue records sards for Jewish sri-

Soners - prior to starting the entrtes in the books.

.. Approxmately how many Jewish prisoner* were brought to Dachau as re­

fleeted by the cards that you

keep the record in the b cok?

kept prior to the time that you conmenced to

A. Exactly 4,883.

I note in Book 1, Exhibit

last number in that same book

"H-1" that th* first number is 82,897, and the

is 97,404? Is that correct? A. This is correct.

4. I note that in Book #2, Exhibit "H-1", the first nunber is 97,405, and th*

last murber of that same book, #2, inhibit "B-J", is 127,611? A. Yes. ,

Q. I note that in Book #3, Exhibit "H-1", that the first number is 127,619

and the last number is 143,931, Is that correct? A, Yes sir. ■

.. I not* that there are no entries as to the names and date of birth on

the last 15 or 16 pages of Book #3, Exhsbit "E-1". Can you explain why the

nares of those prisonere and their date of birth are not entered in this

record? A. We got those lists much later than the arrival of th* corres-

ponging transports tn- the Political Departnert, so that we also could not

keep up with copying the names as the prisoners arrived. We held those list*

and had planned to copy the rames next to the numbers, when the Americans

arrived.

. I note that the last number is followed by the name of the prisoner and

some red printed dots and letters, as in Bcok #3, xhibit "H1", #140,313,

under the name of "GRUUMIIT, rro", and on the third column there is evidently

printed or stamped in red ink the f ollowine "I February 1945 Verstorben", is

that c rrect? 4. Yes.

-- Please explain what is meant by the words, "1 February 1945 Veretorben"?A, That means that this prisoner OTT GRUNKUT, #,0,313, died on February

1, 1945.

“herever the printed word, "Verstorben" appear* in th* last colunn of

each page of Exhibit "A-", does that mean that th* prisoner has died? A.

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they had diedr A,

“kow were you notified or the death or Dacnau pr, ..."U Pr-8 nera to that you would mark

on ”oU reoorde the date og death and the that

eived from the Camp hospital list. sucn a. th. on..This list

““k the reportor to mark as Exhibit •g-2».the list which was ; a nd ed by 3s—. • tee -uvestientor-axandnor. ,, a , 1925, we”

20 on the Fe of and: -u Mk r^ut^ aaa "that and u 1 us hat tt u, •-2" an

A.Thia is an official announcement or death g . r." swath alined by Camp Doctor, ss Sturabann-er HLTLMLIA.

" "hen ewish pria nera died, dia receivevacnau rrisoner Surgeon

* 11st similar to exhibit uga2», a w.“7""’ A. For Jewish priscners we got auch lots u “* "ioner in one of the Dachau out-stattons. „ peinonar, azaa n "dau prope” „ notics, ono nane r victam. • I direct your attention to the first_ _ _‘ -- UM “PPearins on Exhibit "H-2", about"hich Jou have just testiried, and .111 ask you . pea __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ „

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prisoner lsted? A SIIBJ.TEIN, ICH

" - note that juat next to his name 1 the letter

hat eane he is of Polish nat! nality.

Kart to that I nte the number 95,361.

prisoner number.

I now direct your attention to Book Mo.

“hat does that indicate?

hat does that indicate A. That is

tien to the irst column, where the Number 95,3611, -xhibit "K-1", and call your atten-

•nd I will .rt you to read th. name ot th. EFlcon

A. SLB ASTI, ICEK.

, appeara at the tap of the page

er, appears opposite that numberz

A

la Book No. 1, xhibit "H-102 A.as ran, ICEK

. ™"" stated " in th. fourth or last column in printed red.Ink, next t. the date, January 7, 1905? A. Hed on mareh 3, 1945.

" I " t. on page 2, ^i^^j that u. copy of that cnzbat 2. aagnaa. ,will you u you can recognize that elglature, A. y.

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a. Whoa. oluyature la tnatt A. That se the sigmature of M Sturmbanafunrur xuxraa cazan}Chaf Ductor of tha camp Dachau Fisoner Hospital.

.. Sinc. you have boen keepire the reerdo in the Porsonal ErTect Depert

went of the achau Picon Coep, nave you had occasion to the sicnatus of

anTALMLLn frequentiy on doouments? A. Yes, very freqguontly •

q. Are you positive that the sigpature appearing on Exchlbit "-2" ie th/*

handwritlng and the personal signature of HINTNaCEIa? A. Xes•

.. AS I underestand, you will bring us this afternoon, a cop of tha memor-

andum or notinication that you received when a prisoner disd within the Dachas

Prison Camp proper? A. Tea.

$ . Father, in Exhibit •H-1", the first nuaber is 82,897- Tha last nuber is

13,931. is that correct? A. Tee.

. De thethee books, composing Eahibit "a-1" renect the number or Jewsthat have been processed through the Dachau Prison Concentration Caap? A.

No, Jews and non-Jews.

a. A.ve you rigured the total number that are reflected by the three books

Exbit "H-l" as having been processed through the Dachau Frison

C,up? A. Ies, I have figured them out and fcund that 24,870 are shown in

the three volumuss of books •• having been processed through the Dachau Con-

centration Camp.

... Have you figured cut the nuuberof prisoners who are show as having

4 died i.. ti.e Dachau Concentration Cam as reflected by the three booka

as Lxhibit "h-l"? A. Yes, the number of dead la 7,397•

... Father, is that how you account for sone missing figures in bahibits

wH-1- . Yes, the numbers miseing in the book have been taken uP by

nonJews entered in our other files:

. AC an axample of what you have sust stated, I direct yor attention to

Book #1, axhibit "y-]", to prisoner nuaber 83,896, by the naune of ERE ADOLF -nd I note that on the follomng rego, that the first number le 8,151, under tha nane of KOMASA, ALrLd, vhich shows • diecre aney in the numbers, and I wii ask you why such a aisctepancy in the number appears?I‘

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A.

the

Q.

to

"H-3"7

Mie

Dachau

some of these

those are livingof

That ia the totalA,

have marked Eghibit

The miasing nudbors were given to non-Jewish prisoners who arrived between

first and last entry.

I show you an instrument which we will mark Exhibit "33", and will ask you

to identity that oxhibit ard tall us, if you can, what it iat (-xhibit marxad in

evidence) A. this is a coaplato list of the Jewish transports "hic came

Dachau as they are reflected from our curd and book files.

. From what source did you obtain the figures ubichare shown on -xhdbit

A. I have taken those figures from our files and lists.

q. Are those figures correct? A. Yes.

. I note the figure 488 or. exhibit 'IM", ^t does that indicate? A-

have 1,883 cards bearing the names of Jewish prisoners sho arrived in Camp

before we were starting to record Jewish names in the books.

q. Do the 4,883 cards, which ya kept, indicate or reflect that

prisoners have died and some are still living? A- -es» Some

and most of them died.

What does the figre 25,974 on the right bottom reflect?

of Jewish names contained in the three books which y u

q. I note that in exhibit "E-3", in the second paragraph, that oome names are

given such as kuachwita, Kawn, warsaw, Stutthof, and other names, and I will ask

you what the names in the first column of paragraph 2 indicate. *. Those names

^indicate the namos of the places from wtere the Jewish transports arrived nhich

oontain ed the numbar of priscners as given in the last column of the same paracraph•

q. Taking the first line or paragraph 2, it reads as Folloxa: "Auschwitz

31.7.44 82897-83896 1000". What does the line that I have read into the record and

which appears on Exhibit "H-y indicate? A. This, the first line indicates that

July 31, 1944, 1000 Jewish prisoners came from aaschwitz to Dachau Cenp and their

numbers were 82, 897-83, 896.

a. Did you have a record cf the number of non-Jawish

the Dachau Concentration Camp since october 1940? A.

•ill you kindly read froa that list the number of

prisonera who have died t

non-Jewish priscners who have

1945

301486

364 542 198 491 493

1.59 261 137 122

73

January 19*5 * 805February • -2,487

June " •July "August "September "October "Hovember "December "January 1943February "MarchApril ■

133 XM 184 297 328

5970483734354193

339110

80

June "July "August " Soptember ■

October "Novezber "December "January 19*4February • March

January 1942February *

et bar 1940 - 219November • - 80Tecember • - 370January 1941 - 389February N - 560March N - 385April W - 270Kay 0 - 274June m - 241July N - 15August 0 - 164September n - 117October a * 120)

November n - 116December n - 127

q. The nigures which yu have just given us,are thone tbe number of deathe that

occurred at Dechau propor or did ttey indlude also some of the prisonor sub-stat na

under tha jur 1sdtettan or the Dachau Concentruti n Camp? A. Thone figures centained

priscners fr n bcth Dachau Camp proper ard th Dachau Sub-station Campe

Q. Mhat was tho cuuse or the death of these prisotars? A. I would Bay most of

those duaths were cuused by the nalnutrition and the bad treatment in the Dachau

C ncentration Cmp• ‘

q. Did some dis from a disease? A. Yes, aome died from diecanes like tphus,

tuberculosis, phlegsone and other diseanes. They contractad those diueases as a

conse quence of their way of life at tha Dachau Cap.

. Do records that you have given us shoning the number who have died in this

•sap, also include thone who have been executed by shooting and hanging? A. he

included the executione of those prisoners who had a number in this camnp. There

were very many prisoners executed in this camp who never got a prisoner number,

for instance Czeens, Poles, and Russians.

... I notice that the German SS kept a separate record of Jewish prisoners. Canyou tell us the nationalitics of the nonJewish pr Ladners? A. on the death papers,

the nationality of the non-Jewisn priacnra was always mentioned.

3. Please tell us the nationalities of the non-Jewish prisoners? A. There were

Spaniards, Ruselane, Albanians, Egyptiana, Swiss, Portugese, Suedes, Moraegtans,

Turks. Greeks» ona Brazilian, and one from San Salvador, South America, Czecha,

roles, Germana, Prench, Belgians, Dutch, Luxembourges, Italians, Tugoslavians,

Serbians, Bumantans, Bulgarians, Slovaks, Lthuanians, Latvians, Danes, Irishmen,

Chinese, Iranians, and chars.

q. Father, besides the nationalities that you have listed, were there some Amer-

cans and Britieh subjects in confinement at the Dachau Prison Camp? A. Tea, there

were English and American prisoners, in the camp.

a. How many Americans have been c nfined at this camp, if you knew? A. There were

t .only a very few cases of Amarican prisoners in confinenent:

.. Do you know Major GUIAUD? A. I don’t know hin para onall,. Did yo know Apaar A. ho. x fe

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t. Father do you know the food ration which ws givan by the Germans to the prisonere

from 1941 to April 29, 19457 a« tn.

q. What ms the food ration given to the prisoners for breakfast? For breakfast

2. Mhat ma the food ration for the noon meal? A.

. What kind of soup was it? A. Mostly vegetable

One liter of soup.

soup. On Sunday only, sou with

3, What did you reccive for your dinner or evenng ■sal?

proimtely 375 grams of bread and three times a week soup, and the other days * emal

piece of sausage or cheese or mrgarins.

Q. How much scup did you get for your evening seal?

q. mat kind of soup was it/ A. One liter of flour

q. Did the soup contain cabbage once in a Allo? A.

containd vegetables, it was mostly cereal soup.

A. Obo liter.

soup

The evening soup hardly ever

Q

In

Q

whut time was the breakfast or the mprning ration served for the prisonera ».

m—er, between 4;15 and 50’ clock and in winter, between 5145 and 6 o’clock,

what. Mm was the noon ration given out? A. At 11:00 or 12:00 o'clock.

Whet, time was the evening meal given the prisoners? A. In summer at 1900 and in

winter approximately 1800 hours.

. Was there considmrable undernourishment and starvation at the Dachau Camp due to

that food ration? A. All prisoners who had no possibility of getting food through

ether 'hen the ordinary food rations, were continuously hungry.

Q. What percentage of the prisoners got the ordinary food ration? A. 80 per eent never had a chance of getting additional food. The 20 per cent *thich could get addi­

tional food included prisoners on fans work er others who had a chance of getting ad­

ditional food such as beets, roots, or even grass.

G. Mist was the physical condition of the g leone re who obaained the oldinan food

ration that you described? A. In burmer 1942, the whole camp was actually threatened

with starvation. In september and October of the sane year, the first food parcels started coming into the ramp and bought a certain amount of relief. The men " ere all

very thin, had hollow cheeks, very thin arms and legs and very low weidht- I m/selt

weigh nonaally 75 kdlos. In this camp I xeighad 56 kilos, and I was one of the beat

Q, was the food ration sufficient to sustain the body of the average human being.-

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A. Ho, it was too much to die on, and too little to live on.

Q. Father, yo mentiomd before, that when Jewish prisoners died who were not la

the Dachau Prison Camp proper, but in branch camps outeide of the mn camp, that

a list of those riaomrs who had died was sent to you. Iou produced xhibit "H-2"

as being such a list. You further testified that when a Jewish prisomer died

within the Dachau Canp proper , that yu wore notified by a small card or notifica-

tion. I now show you an instrument, which we will ask the reporter to mark ixhbit

"-4", and willask you if you can identify that exhibit? (Exhibit marked in evi-

deuce). A. Yes, that is an individual death crtificate for a Jew who died in the

Dachau Prisoner Hospital on March 8, 1945.

a. la Exhiblt "H-4" a copy of the notification you wuuld receive when a prisoner

died at the Dachau Prison Cump proper? A. That is a copy as I received it as a

death certificate.

Q. Aa» from these cards similar to Exhibit "-4" you would wake up the list of

prisers who died at the Dachau Prison Camp proper? A. From those cards I

found the places where to apply the rubber stamp "dead", and so on.

Q. I noticed a red cross on Exhibit "W) does that indicate anything in particu­

lar? A. That cross means "dead".

Q. In inhibit "H-L" ths following words appear "Abgang dur ch Tod". What does that

mean? A. It means "Through Death".

i. It is then followed by the nans of the prisoner, which in exhibit "H-4" is shown

to be JAMAS TOLNAI? A. Ies.

. Is the nuber of the prisoner given on Exhibit »A-4»2 A. Ies, it is given as .

129836, and I note that the eon was 63 years old.

Q. I note the words "Jude Ungr"? A. That means that JAs TOLNAI was a 'Jew of

Hungarian nationality.

Q. In the upper left hand corner I note the words "Haftlings Revier"? A, That

moans Prisoner’s Hospital. |

Q. father you have mentionod in your testimony that there were sees subsidiary camps

that came under the Jurisdiction of the Dachau Prison Canp. Do you know how many branch

prison camps there were that were attached to the Dachau Price n Camp? A. I know there

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(Cont’a) were more than 60 snaller camps attached as branches to the Pachau

Concentration Camp.q. I now show you an instrument which I wil ask the reportar t mark •» xhibit

•1-5", and wan ask you if y u can identity that list, and tell us what it lol (a*

•H-5* earned in evidence) A. That is a liat of the outstations of achau Caap,

aa they existed on Hovember 29, 1944. Since that time there must have been some

Mall dhanges in Wat ue liat, especially in the saaller camps where Dachau prisoners

worked.

Q. Is thee any other list that you know of showing the branch prison car s of

the Dachau Frison Camp other than that shown on Exhibit "H-5"7 A. I kn w about

list a of the Dachau outatati one, which are kept in the ork Distribution ffice,

. Path r, I now show you another instrument, which we will ask the reporter to mark

as ahlblt •-6", and I will ask you if you know what that is? (x."E-6" markod in

evidence). A. That io a list of Catholic and other priests sent from other con-

contraton camps in Germany or from Poland V- the Lachau Concentratlon Camp. This

list haa been compled in my office, from the files kept there. It contains 28

PM”.

Q. Father, lot us go back to Ex. "-5" and I show you that exhibit again, and will

ask you what the green numbers indicate which are on the right side of that exhibit?

The green ngures opposite to each nane is the nunber of risoners workinng.at that

purticmar staticn, on November 29, 1944.

q. Do I understane then you to ea , rer instance, that, at the A'laeh Branch

. An , that, at Augsburg Branch Caap there were 1,463 priseners? A. Tes.

. mone writing la th t in the green figures? A. That must have been written

by a prisoner eployce in the work Distribution ffice, which I menti onee before,

where the basic lists about those camps were kept.

.. Is x? Ct "H-5" at the present tine in the same e ondition as it was whe it

wane t y ur office t. be recorded" A. Tea, that is in the orig na cenditi n.

Recess 1430 hours 8 May 1945.

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The reporter, interpreter and witness were reminded that they were still under oath.

Q. Pother, I show you an instrument marked Exhibit "H-6", and will ask you to state

if you can identify it and tell us what it is? (Ex. "H-6" narked in evidence) A.

Too. I recognize this list. It was made up under my supervis n atating the names

of priests transported from other cemps, and also from Poland to Can Dachau,

Did you prepare ths list yourself? A

instructiono as to h w to compile it

Q

Q

las It prepared under your supervision? A. Yes

in this list correct? A. Tee it is correct

Father, Do X underatand that Exhibit "H-6" contalns the complete liet or Polish

Cerman priests that came in large transports Poland and from vari us ther

transports which contalned large numbers or

Q. I note in column 3, that the die osition

Thia list contains all the

riests

or these priests is listed, showing

that corse of those priests have been releasea, some have died, sone have been killed

How did you obtain that nformation in order to rake it of record? A. Cbtalned

that materlal rrom thecfricial entries according to notifications from the Camp

Recording ffice. e put down the word "killed" every time we found that that

particular priest had been sent away by a so-called transport

you directed te lses "killed" all of the prisoners w.» left the Dachau

Camp in invalid transports? A. Ke have not been directea by the S3 that they were

killed, but we knew that they were killed, and made a record on our own accord

father, as I understand, when risoners were brought t Dachau, their personal

belonginge ware turned in ana a ric.ro nano of those belonginge-- is that correct?

That is correct, Sir.

When a prisoner came in, did he have t turn the clothing that he had on at the

if A. Ne had to turn in everything he bad—hie clotning, his personal belongings

and his money. The only thing he nad or. was allowed to take into the car was cigar- i

ettes, ano toilet articles.

What kind of uniorm was given the pris ner t > replace clothing he turned in?

Turing the first years of ay presencein Lachau, prisoners got the blue and

In later years, however, when the number of prisoners

O

Hages

Q

A

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cloth Ing including civilian clothing taker. from pris ners who had

Q

the Poeket- It is a red triangle with the letter "P" in black, -hat does th t

Inaicate? A. The red triangle indicates tost X an a political prisoner. The »p

indicatee that luot Polish aati nality

risoner that he ie?

Q. I show you Exhibit "N", and will ask to state what that 1s? This is a

complete map of all too insigna worn by

and all other Gernan Concentratins Camps.

Q. -her. Russians or Poles eawe to the achau Camp, were their personal belongtn s

others? A

the Folea turned in7 A. Since

1942, the wearing apparel t all Ruesiane ana Polish

in bage, with their name and number, but turned into

priscners was n t stored

a clothing pool

uables and money or th se Russian, ana Polish prisoners were kept in bags. In the

common pool, the Russtan and Polish clothing was, at first otsinrectec, ano then

distributed to the ncoming priscners.

need their civil Ian clothing agair help out as

• father, you testfiea yesterday that some Fell oh priests released rrom the

know

A at th ee have been aceepted

folkdom ut or the

they went int I know that aefl-itely from some of the

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A. (Cont’d)cases, and believe that most of tnem haa to go int? the German arm I

Q. Othor than the Polieh prieets who were released, do you know of any other cases I

in which Ausalane or Poles were released rrom the Dachau Prie on Camp? ■

A. Iknew that sevoral Poles, who wre not priests were released, oraussiann, I ■

knwthat, wbenever • Ruselan «M released, he had at once to take a job under ■

Ceman suporvision, like Ruesian elave laborers * were oecupied in Oermany. ■

Q. Do ycu know one, waarx MISMOLLAT A. I knew nim in prison. •

i. aher did you first become aequaintea with nim? h, I net him in 1943, when 1

had to hand him cash.

q. uas he a prisoner in the same prison canp where you were at Dachau? A. Tea.

. Mhe aid Hiemoller does to this prison, if you tow? A. Hie case in 1941.

Q. Is he here now? A. No.

,. das he released rrom the Dachau Prison camp? A. Ko, he was taken away as a a♦ 0 .

hostage when the S8 left.

q. dhen was NIEMOLLIR taken away? A. Friday before the Americans arrived, the 3.• - D

27th of April 1945.

q. who was uuri MIMLaaz A. MA TIN MISOLLa was a well-known Protentant priest C,

rrom Berlin. •

a. Saw he a prinoner at Tachau rros 1941 until the Germans took him away on the

27th day of Aprn 1945, when they left the camp at achau A. Tes.

q. Father, do you know GABarL PIGAUD? A. I know that French Bishop pore ona J,

Bishop PIGAUD was also taken away as a h stage by the SS just before the Americans -

came to this camp . 9Q. Do you know one MICEAL rozAL?’ A. Yes, I knew Bishop KOZAL from Poland, person- 9

ally. This vel-knom wi-et died here as far as I know because or/oisease he haa 9

contrectad was nt taken care of. The eisenne was anlameati n of the miede ear. 9

Q. Do yeu know one PFAMUR NEURAUSL2a? A. PaIIa MLUNAUSL wm also well known

t me. He was a ran us Catholic riest rrom Munich. He also was taken away a: 9

a hostage by the SS, who the Ager icanb cam. 9Q, Do you knew when Father MEUHLUSLI& was brought to Fachau? A. Father MLUEUSHA 9

came together 4 th Pastor urMLLaa in Wal from Sachsenhsusen to Dachau. 9

q. And both of them were nele as risarers here until the; were taken away by the

ss on 27 April 19457 A. Too. 9

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“ Did Jo know ABBoTT H runar 2? A, Ten. He wa the ABter in Bavaria. I tinerstand the sa re casea him three

• Doninican Mon-

days berore the

" "o’oknonchyworuxuTawasrelesed? A. i^^totoleaned curine the laet st the M rogtme make „ EmprassLon on to. ocranpeople,

- Was HOFIEISTaA . A

known catholie layman from Cologne,

Q. Did y u T XARL SCluIra?

hae opposed the German-Austrian Anschluss,A. he was the Mayor or Vienna, who

He was well-kn wn as an Ant-Naz.

" "" n. K am Cih DEusTaarT A. Yes, I knew him personaly." """ he eonrinad sen that you have mentionea at the -aaau cap.

- Nho was General DELESTA/MT2 A ,- "* He was a General or the Prench Army. 1 under-atand he was a friend or General os Gael:..:,

. *• he executed or not? A. Iknow he was executed. ,

. Kw did you too. ne ... excutec? a. 1 a noladng ana s wing na omg neianotanicttonxetrrmthe Camp‘•Reereing tties. Yovwnnotetninotara-

cation U . .tolLr onefbonthe Ctop Hospdtal, only, At came tna 1 .c rasngorfice, such notiricatin always meant th. e the prisoner died or an unnatural death.

D I "1 Wk the reorter to vark to. Anstrument whieh the witneas hanaod to the Gwenticator-exaclner .. -hadat "8-7". (ek. •-7" marka u evi@ence).

■ . M ‘ n kno" .. Lao aLx? A. 1 tow not knemn M. peFsonan,, but .... .to.Malm « camp, tod recognize him from pictures Seen ofhm.

.. ... he hid .. . prisoner tor. at Camp? A. B. to„ J. ..to, o, . torttins, but did not have a prisoner number here.

4. Anatbcameotuxonauumz A. ij. was renovea Ir„ hor aumng te

.. Do y. u know

him peracnally.

°n‘ -- CWWhlOO? A. I did not know him, only, at

but have bean tola by several Austrian rioners harthe time law

kept in this camp for a short tit,

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" D“ 1 under"tand Jou correetiy that tostiried that an errice purs- onal of re eta or the prioonore wore ept? A. Yes.

s. "hat fc you toe. about . mnal box of that oh the anvosttgato.

fth. - the of ou offke, to prosent day, three smal cerdboapa boxes rined with siiver and wMite metal teeth extractea rro the bodice of

deae prisonere. Until the SS left, there was aln r earebcaraand wae

“teb two litere "hich containad/illed with Golaen teeth. These

away, who the SS left shortiy before the Amerlcans arrived.

box of approx-

teeth were taken

Dw you know or occanions when pld teeth were

Twice a year golaen teeth extracted from denashipped out it the Dachau Camp?

prsoners bodies were -ship ed

fos Fachau to the 83 Mirtschatchauptampt, Berlan ranlenburg. Thos. transport. orteeth always took place on April 1, and Cetober 1

or each year. Te had, however.tranoport to Januan 1945, as " had particularly many teetn euring

te M ~>u. n. wu collected arter Januapy 1945, and whde wore taxkon away b to. st Juet before the loft welghee about approximatel, 15 pounen, . Father, I aireet your attenticn to noly to to 1W. to you recan an ancza-

ort that happomne .t that t2me? A. Durine that week, mors fro- painSuneay to Easter "enaay. kept „ ofismere an Daehar nan to maren an

day tone around thehner compound. A that tam, we haa very coxa wather, ana ,•Ml that any priesta died from exhaueti n and other ensequences of tLat

forcedde haa

matel, with a

Q. Luring the

A. Duri e the

to arch rror 6 o’clock in the morning to 6 o'clock at night,

dhort break at lunch time,

tire thet Jou had y ur break at noon, did you have your lunchabort break at lunch timo we had, as a spacta1 duty, to clean

ration?

theblock. *.r. .. had been livine, h „ been put into • epeetal disorder Fortt veey purpose. 1e Uto remainod, w allowed to m . lunch nat, but aany. day we had m Um to eat our aeal, ane had to aarch during me .nternoon auo

noon.

. Did An of th,,. griests becomo exhausted, and fall doun durng these .rchc?

A, The prlests who collapsed, weie taken to the Camo H,spital.

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A. (Cont’d). ue had to sing while we were marching.

Q. hat songa would you sing? A, Silly Gersan Arn songs,

CROSS-XAUTION BI CAPAI CLIDS U WALKZR:

Q. Now were the priests killed whenever the priests were beaten bythess guarda?

A. As far as I understand they beat then with their fists, and kicked them with

their fest?

Q. Nhen the priests were hung up by their wrists, were their feet allowed to touch

the ground at any time? A. The taller ones could, sometimes, just touch the ground

with the tip of their toes.

Q. Was anything done, when their feet did touch the ground A. Yes, though when an

SS man knew that their feet touched the ground, they were elevated high up by their

ahains.

Q. What type of work was performed by the griests generally for the ss? A. At the

beginning, the hardest there was in the camp. Work with picks and shovels, shov­

elling of snow and sand and gravel. Between February and September 1941 priests

got privileged treatment. At that tine they had to carry the food for whole prison

camp, any priests

Q. Were there/in the punishment company? A. Tee.

Q. lere they taken from the canp tar work elsewhere? A. Yes, they were worked

outside of the canp like all other members of thr puniehsant company.

Q. .ere you forced to witness public hangings and beatings? A. Zee, like the other

'prisoners.

Q. State y ur treatment and the treatment of other priests in you block bythe SS .

A. Ne had received very bad treatment, sometimes even barbarous treatment--being

kicked beaten and other forms t punishment and torture employed at Dachau.

Q. dere Us priests reguired to do extra labor, more than that performed by the other

prisoners? A. Tee, for instance, if snow had fallen (hiring the night, we had to

get up earlier than the rest of the prisone a and shovel snow in the moring ourselves.

Q. You referred to the invalid transport. Nas that a transport of invalids, in

fact away from the Camp, or was it sorely a name used for prisoners that were to be

killed and cremated here at Dachau? A. It has to be assumed that prisoners of the

invalid transports were actually taken out of Dachau killed elsewhere.

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Q. Would all of the prloirers making up that trannport of invalds. Invalids in

fact? A. I would, say not even half woro really invalids. The people here eimply

existed, were called Invalids or people who were not well liked by ths Cem personnel

or M men.

Q. Did the Capos and other Block perse ns 1 have the right to fores a prisoner to

take the trip in the invalid trans, art.

Q. They did not have the right to send then on their own account cn the transports,

but they recommended those men, however, to the lapportfuhrer, who in turn, sends

them out as invalids.

Ci. How often did you see emoke coming from the crematorium A. I should say

every day,

c. Hight and day'. A. te smiled the emole through the open window at night time,

we did not actually see it.

Q. Acre the priests allowed hospitalization. A. It was di f fie ult. Sir.

Did the priests get sufficient medical supplies than if they had to romain

in their own blocks? A. None at all.

Q. How many priests were taken to the hospital on the average? A. There were

so many hundreds of priests working at so many different places, that it would be

hard for ne to give you a definite answer.

Q. hat was the priests used for? Sure the priests used as subjects for the experi-

eenta conducted by the 83 at the Dachau Concentration Canpl A. Ies, they were used

Gfor experiments on malaria, phlegmone, and water bath treatments.

Q. I noticed in Exhibt Bcoke, 1,2,3, that there seem to be one general

entry "Killed" or a blank apace, lias there ever any other entry possible in these

books? A. Ko, no—Jews were never released from Dachau Canp, and the only possible

other entry was "esth". I had ever nuzber that we entered. Three or f ur tlmes we

entered "Eacaped", bemuse three r four jews succeeding in running away from Camp

Dachau substattone. ■

. Do you have anything else to say regarding j our treatment or the general treat-

ment of the riests in particular here at Camp Dachau? A. I could on for days

telling you of the beatings adninisterod to us by the Ss Guards and prisoner guards,

but I wish, in conclusi n, to state as a classic example, the punshnent administered

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A. (Cont.) to one or the priesta, ABRAHAN RUTOE3* • Rrotestent Pest ion Rttaranm, by . certain former 3. A. man, Dachau prie

BECH,Thia priest ated directly as the result of tho blows he re

eelrad by being kicked beaten by fists and being forcibly pushed sen1nsthe iron bedsldes I hope that, with the entry of the Amerlcnne Into

Camp Dachau, such treatment

last tme in history. That

haa been inflicted upon priests for the,

have to say

Testimony adjourned at 1020 hours on 9 Hay 1945

ALFREDHAUPTMANN

ATTESTED:

CDAVIDCHAVEZ,Jr.,6Colonel, JAGD, V

Il certify that the aboveteB- timony was translated to the witness in his own language, prior to his signature which appears above.

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May 1*5.

“You swear

that you wll faithfully perform the duties of reporter in this investigation

Mr. NORBS T FRIED appeared before the Investigator-Examiner and testified as

follov:

Q. This is an invemtigatian of Concentration Camps in the Londsborg-Kauforing

Are you willing to take an oath and tell us of anything you may know of

or seen as to conditions or incidents which happened in the Concentration

A

Q. Do you understand the meaning of an oath? A

Q. Do you apeak and understand English? A. Yes, I worked for an American

concern and studied English in university

Please stand up, raise your right hand, and be sworn. Do you swear that

the testimony that you are to give in thia investigation shall be the truth

the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God

What is your name? NORBTRT FRIS

Where do you live? A. Lipova #13, Prague, 2, Czechoslovakia.

Is the address you have given us the same address you claim as a permanent

Too

Could you be contacted here, if necessary, at a later date, in connection

with this matter? A. Tea

What I have been a prisoner in German

Concentration Camps since July 1943

Why? A

with my wife

Q• Who apprehended you? A. There was a special department of SS Gestapos

dealing only with Jewish affairs and they took me and my wife into custody for

the reason I have given

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H4106-I

Q• Where did yw go from Auschuitz? A. Happily enough, X was there only five

Those who had to go to

area and a subsidiary of Dachau

Aryan political prisoners

• Do you know whether or not this camp you mention is in the Landsberg area?

Q• How do you know this? A, I was a prisoner clrk in the perscnnel office

sidiaries and waa permanently assigned to Dachau. All of our reports

• 2

Q• Thio Camp No. 4 you speak of, what was the name of it? A. Arbeitslager

Dachau Kaufering Ko. 4.

R• Why didn’t you stay in Dachau? A. Because all Jews were brought to these

auriH arias outside of Dachau itself. Dachau was primarily for so-callad

sent to us from the Dachau Officer’s Pool. Our doctor worked all eleven sub-

called the Landsberg Camps. These campe have do connection, whatsoever with

the Landberg Civilian Prison, but as X have said before, are merely subsidi­

aries of Dachau.

lent

extensive education and X had been favorably looked on by the Germans, because

I could sing and entertain,) Before the war I was employed by Metro Goldwyn

Mayer and * K 0 Radio Pieture Companies in Prague as a narrator and translator

I ask the reporter to mark this item Exhibit - "Fried It ia marked

Q. Mr. FRIED I show you this photograph which has been marked Triad

Teo, it is a picture showing the outer feme of Camp

No. 4, coming from the road as you approach the camp from a northeasterly

direction

Q. Is this the Camp No. 4 of Kaufering you are testifying about? A. Ies it ’

is. In the left foreground you see a tower where 35 Guards were in charge

The barbed-wire of the fence is charged with electrical current. It is a

double fence with a small crater in between it, and every fifth pole carries

Behind this tower in the left fore-grcund

you see a man'll white building which has been used for piling up dead bodies

from one day to the other. There were always some twenty bodies in this place

and here the Jewish Prison Doctor had to take out the golden tooth. The

larger building behind is a barracks where infooted clothing, taken from the

dead, were piled up. On the right side behind the American automobiles

is one of the barracks used by the SS Troops. The entrance

just before the automobiles

is this Camp in existence at the present time? A, No the interior of

it was badly burned out on the day of the arrival of the Amerlcan troops in de g t rem

an attempt to7some268 bodies which were scattered around. You can see to the

right foreground a little wood shed where the two soldiers are standing, this

is the main gate to the inclosure

I ask the reporter to mark this item Exhibit - "Fried - 2" marked.

Q. Mr. HUD I hand you this Exibit -"Fried you

it is a photograph showing the entrance to Camp Ro. 4 The

labl on the sentry poets says off limits, danger of disease, which is •

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Q

Q

had been here

1945

Ten can see daad bodies lying along the path in the background just to the

left of this soldier entering the gate in the picture

thie Sick Camp is strictly forbidden"

affeeting these people

This was durlng the months

of March and April and in a very over~crouded condition. Of this number I

have given, there were about 200 women. There were no children smaller than

13 years old and they were separated according to a ax along with the adults

Q. These bodies you mention, were these people living when you left the camp?

transport of sick people, with which I should go as a helper, were to be

X was there in hiding for four days with two slices of bread and twenty

grams of butter and when I came out

for three days already, which makes the date of arrivial of the Americans

"Fried - 4,"

Q.on the 25th of April 1945 we saw the smoke

under what conditions we lived We were S"“‘ed "

to Camp No. 1 which has better facilities and wll

kme-Lcans. Of coursc, we did not belive that and

our sick people here 10 go

were sure that we "ere

in our huts, but the

bodlas of our sick poople we so omaciated that there "as no hiding the:

It ~ .ncto to dostroy the avidence of the atrocdttos by burning w that

w. knew that they momnt to kill all of th. who w sons on tho tane- port. No aven thought that thoso of us who were to go on the transport would b. ultbaafly MUM w living oxxmepies of their atrociti.s.

I ask the roporter to mark thi. Item axhanat - "Tred “ 5"- » 4 "arked

Q. w.varexhandyoutntssatbat-"Irdnd-s"oftmdeoasnendakzou

if you can adantary it? A. Ms U a photograph of the burned outside of

th. orrco *ere I worked in Kuuforine No. 4. at the left vou see the inner

__ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ _ g— the msg camp, m th. background you see

th. main entrance, Thia i. all the front half of th. "“™P* "

,ou moo aona bodtos which the ss tried to bum up togther *ta the nuts1. th. reporter to -ark thi. zen - "Tred - 6”. It la M

.. Mr, FRIED 1 hand you thia Exhibit - "I-ried - 6' of this case andaok

livine

bodies

canidentity A, Thatisacloso-upphotograptofoneo.. .. , of th. camo, in the foreground t ere

the 30

uhiah have been lent behand ether dead or dyins by the t 1oV

3 AM An the 27th of April 1945.

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If you can identify itt A

It is markod

as you if you can identiry then? A, No. 8 la a photograph showine an

carrying

11 through 23", whieh have been indi”

o deserbe then? A, No.

U la th. situation I found coming back with the Amnezicans to Kaufering No. “

on the 29 of April 1945. n shows al tha bodies found inoide of the coump

12 1* ths Mae scene from a distance grater than Ko. 11. No. 13 i» • total

vim ehowing a close-up from the opposite alde. No. u la take from thefront of the camp and shoms the row of bodies leagthwiae. No. 15 la a elo30

up photograph .bowing the emaciated conaatdon of the bodiea. I would like to

chow you how the names of th. deed her. been witte by poncik * the.

These

that had intended to

bury them, mhis was a camp rule. No. 16 ia a photograph ahomine th. same

bodzen from another angle. No. 17 showre the end of th. row of bodtos, end it la anterostng specially in that it .how the B2nckenod and burned boddos in the crotos ue posit Iona found when they were raoved from t she” o

. ,. - th. same row of bodies. No. 19 shous

a pile as they were in a hut which has been burned, thia la before they were

movad to the Long row as shomm in rhzbat - "Trind - No. 20 U anot " closc-up of one «d of the line of bodiea. No. 21 ia a photograph of th.

bodiea being 1nod up and the Oerman eivilLans in the background taking

___ . «-. . . bury .han. No. 22 Show burned bodtes before they

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Q, Mr. FRIED I hand you thla Exhibit -"Frlod - 24" of this ease and ankyou ■

if you can identity it? A. This is a typical intorior of a living hut. There

wore 50 peopls suppooed to aleop hore, 25 on each uide. mhe walloway in the

center As merely a tronoh out in the earth and the sholves on either side is

the natural level of the ground covared with stran and ecceloior. The walk­

way was cut so that when building the hut they only needed a roof of timber

and the vost coula ba earth. In the middle you s0e a amall stova which was

almost never used because there was never any fuel. The last time these huts

contained 62 to 65 people each. Having only 400 dishes for 3,000 prisoners,

all kinds of rotten tins and cups were used to bring them food. In the back-

ground you see windows without any glass. This was cold the year around and

people living in these huts had nostly only one blanket to cover and

sleep in the year around. No.

Q. I ask the re orter to mark this item Exchibit - "Fried — 25". CIt is

marked, )

Q. Mr, mI l hand you thia Exhbit - "Fried - 25" of this case nd aA you •

if you can identify it? A. This is a photograph of women’s part of the camp

which is being also occupied by men in tho lust days of the eamp. The dead

fryty a lying around are men. This is a good view of the exterior of an un-

burned hut, the inside of which I have described in Exhibit - "Fried -2k".

The background of Exhibit ■Fried - 25' shows barracks occupied by SS Guards.

Q. I ask the reporter to mark this itom xhibit — "Fried - 26". (It is

s rW.)

C. ar. FIS I hand you this Exhibit - "Fried - 26" of this case and ask you I

if you can identify it? A. mis is an interior of a so-called tent made out

of pressed paper and was used as a workshop for bhoemakers

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4

Q Ur, FRIED 1 hand you this Exhibit - "Fried - 27" and ask you if identify

2,000 bodies but that can only be an estimation as I did not mo this whole

entirely uncovered but had been there before as a prisoner with burial details

ask the

Vr, FRIED

it? A.

reporter to mark this item Exhibit - "Fried - 29". (It is marked.)

I hand you thia Exhibit - ’Fried - 29", and ask you if you can id citify

is a photograph showing German Prisoners of Kar digging up a pit

I

described by me above.

Q. I ask the reporter to mark this item Exhibit - "Fried - 30"» and to nark

the second item inhibit - "Fried - 31". (It is marked.)

. Mr. FIED I hand you these exhibits - "Fried - 30" and "Fried - 31", and ask

f if you can identify them.

bodies have been piled up.

A. These photographs show very well, how inhumanly

it was hard work for us prisoners, undernourished

as we were, to bury about twenty-five bodies every day in frozen ground and be forced

to always dig a certain depth. The legs, as you can see, are entwined to get more

• people into a small space. The bodies were piled five high here in this picture but

I have seen higher stacks in a similar These stakes

were, as I have said, about fifty feet in length per stack. There were two of these

fifty feet stacks at least five high. This mass grave can be found at the edge of

the Karl Butcher farm adjoining the canp property near the river which is at the east

side of the cup inclosure

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us got a picture of the oti]

there until the time you escaped when the Americans camme. A. When I entered the

camp on 7 October 1914. I found an almost finished camp as I was told the construc­

tion of the camp was started in May 19444 and the last additions like electric

light for the huta and stoves had been put in shortly after my arrival at the camp

anere was also a disinfecting station constructed after m arrival when the first

signs of typhus epidemic were noticed. The Gasp consisted of about seventy partly

underground huta which were occupied by fifty or oixty-five people each.

Middle of the canp there were two huge barracks where the food was stored

cookad. The 33 guards lived outside of the fence in big barracks, having

In the

and

their

own kitchen, etc. They were not permitted to enter the canp in these last months

but stayed outside the tdre inclosure. The only S3 man who was in the camp daily

was the kitchen boss Untersaharfuhrer RSIDL, who was also sanitary assistant of

Q. Vho was the caap commander when you entered this camp in 1944’ A. The caP

commander was Hauptman MOHGENSTERN and lagerfuhrer Oberscharfuhfer MILOSZ and

the nr—of work details was her sc har fuhrer TEIPLE, These three individuals

9. hat was the banch and organisation of these three men you have just named?

A. HORGENSTERN was a Hauptman in the regular ehrmacht and I understand was later

sent to Dachau to the Officers Pool as a replacement commander for one of these

Dachau Camps. He was naturally in the 33 after he took this job. Mo was attached

to the 30 but not a regular member and he was not a particularly cruel person •

9

-TTTETTmTTc. what was the tspo of rule under Mon0n3TE27 A. In the first months we had an

average it thirty death* a month. These were cauned by beatings at the work placen,

malmutrition and disense. Everybody who was sick had to bring a slip of paper

signod by a physician but WI « and rML orcod such poople to work and even had

their shoes taken from these siek people to be given to those able to work.

o. Were TWHE and muZ subordinates under vxarwsTgan? A, Too.

Q. Old uonoasraN appoint then to the positions they held within his camp? A, Toe.

q. Who was wonousrzNea doctor in this camp? A, WORGENST IRN had Jewish prisoners

who had formerly been doctors.

Q. -That was the medical supply situation ? A. There was no modical supplies at all

except a little supply of paper bandages and one pair of scissors and a little oirt-

■ent. This is the only medieal equpment I know of in the first month.

q. Who supplied these items? A. They were there when I cane. Afterwards w got

other equipment from Camp and our Jewish doctors were ordered to perform veryD.lcate operations. I must say that all patients died because the operation took

place on the dirt in the hut.

Q. (hat was the food situation at this tins? A. For breakfast we got a cup of

black w tery coffee with sugar or milk. At noon when working we got three-fourths

of a liter of soup made from dried vegetables. In the evening again we got three-

quarters of al it ar of soup merely with unpeoled potatoes or cabbage. The potatoes

were rotten and they smelled. After supper we got our bread ration. In the begin­

ning it was three non for one loaf, later on four, then six and then eight men.

Everyday with the bread we got a portion of margarine or butter or sausage or cheese

or honey* never exceeding twenty grams.

. Where were you fed? A. We had to remain in line before the kitehen and wait

Dati dishea were free. There were only four hundred dishes for throe thousand

prisonors so that everybody had to eat and there was no physical facilities for

washing dishes, in the ennp.

.» That was the effect of this condition on the people in the camp? A. le would

start eating after working for twelve hours and it would be dark whan we had lino

up - 3,000 or so waiting in line for a dish to be emptied. e would get it un­

washed. Everything would stop the minute there was an air raid alert in the vici­

nity. He could move in the dark but were forced to stay in place until the lights

returned. It was many hours later as a rule when we finished eating our little

soaps and there were fewer hours left before starting the days laboz

I

Are there any more conditions you wish to describe under the rule of this

beatenBeatinga were the general rule and the accused

workers ration.

Q. Did all this situation exist under Camp Commander MOBG•IS7 zan A. Ies.

MORGENSTERN? A.

from morning until night. It would be given for the slightest infraction

There were other beatings that were performed because the guard would be

of

in

rules.

l r—tear

Bolshevist

there was a guard whose name I can’t remember except that he was

from Ukraine who was in the S3. For fun alone, this guard would

Anti-

beat

I often wondored if this man’s arms did not tir from the continual

walloping of people with rifle butts

Q." where is he now A, He disappeared one day

Q. You mention Oberscharfuahrers HILEIZ and TEMPLE, what about them?

ay e.iiM S3 - that means people living years and years as SS guarda.

the real UTlore - old time 33 guarda - whose profession was killing.

They were

These wore

told they changed very such in these last months but even at that they were very

cruel, especially TEFLS, who ■n famous for 240 sick men in Camp Warner an

before the evacuation of that These people who were not able to mareh were

shot by TEEPIE in their beds

into a group of men at a roll

in the hospital. MIL INZ once threw a hand grenade

wall in Waschan for no reason at all. In Kaufering

#4 MIL:NZ confined his activities to beatings and torturing prisoners

than assume unnatural positions for a period of hours at a time. We ’

enod and emaciated and had no physical resistance and even a healthy

by making

or son could

not stand up to a beating from MILENZ and TEMFLE•

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wILENz and muPL actually ran the eu• They

Q. Will you describe TEuPLET A Fe "

as muaNz. He was an accomplished beater.Neither Mil SMI nor TBIPL5 trusted each

■an flat.two n use d who had a hand at beating’. Aero there any of the others except the

) cortatnay, may an took • nand “ boacins us “ “at oar 41 Teutin "oSto bo one beating after another

to kick every man in the stomach aa ha entered the working trucke each dayyf^der after MONGEN3TERN? A. 1 CHELDoaVS•

Q. Did you continue in thin factoryA. No. In the middle of November 1934 1

was made a foreman with a group

camp 6 in the Kaufering area,

, of slave laborers who had to build up a new camp,

but in the end of November 1944 the camp had been

changod into . stck camp. Ul healthy people had been sont to other 1““ I

tayod tnere UM— ehe head doctor, • pisoner riend of had “ “8 t .w. .wu. After that, was made • clerk an the of tie dostor

, , .omander A. In November 1944. MILONZWhen did MICHELSDORFER become eamP SO

ma sent to Camp 33 and TaZPU was sont to Camp Ml.

Who waa EICHZLSDORFER’s chief asnistants7 ,. Rapportfuhrer VITTER and Unter-

a char f uhrer REIDL•

Q. What was EICHELSDORFSR’s A.

Q. >111 you vye the ”*"* o the 85

A. Dr. BI ANXE who was assigned to -amp

■ •the eleven Landsberg by-canps•

Hauptman.

medical doctor, if there was onez

Dachau and was the chief as doctor for

Do you know Dr B-P

Now did the prisoners

A. I think ho was Obersturmfuhrer.

death.

feel tovards thia 83 nodical doctor* A.

To work meant to work untilhe would bend every effort to.send us to work

. of alok prisoners to Auschwitz to the < Ito personally sent two train!

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MM MH ■■MM

Q. maa Ne attempt to ninn nis duties as doeror A. Be, never. Me omly tamk

•-od to be to look for perone whos h conetaered able woet work.Q. Were MCHKLSDORrE’s two asaistants the tree as type. A. Ravportruhrer VETTE

took great delight In doing everything he coula to send us to our death. 2Im

at the start of things was apparently fairly good because he was in love with a -

Jewish girl and it seomned that he influence kopt us from receiving mnan beatings.

In the middla of March, however, she was sent away and he began to ant like a true

beast. All of the bodies that you see in the previous exhibits laic out on the

open ground are the handiwork of VETTER.

q. Did the food ration or the living conditions change at all? A. Under LICHELS-

DORF&, there were more parsons put in each hut and the bread ration was naturally

'• Do you recall anything in particular on the 25th of April 1945. A. Dr. BLANK&

took 300 of the healthy people out and we were to be marched to the Tyrol under

33 guards. However, that afternoon we received an order that everyone in the atap,

including those who were too weak to walk, were to be evacuated by way of railway

and the canp was to be burned to the ground. One trainload was filled with the

aick and they were taken away. The other train was loaded and it moved about 300

meters when an air raid attack occurred, killing many prisoners. After the air

raid was over Dr. BLANKE told us to go back to camnp and we, in fact, went to the

train. At 5:00 p.m. on the 26th of April 195 I ran away into the woods and hid

there for three days. This last train was loaded at 3.00 a.m, hours on the 27th

dArl I turned myself into the Amertean Troops when they arrived in the vici­

nity of the Landsberg Camps,

Q. How many persons would you estimate died during the seven months that you were

there? A. about 3,000,

Q. As a clerk nave you any official knowledge as to the number that died in the

eleven camps coprising Landsberg A. One half of the total 16,000 prisoners

died.

. hat were one of the causes of death? A. Continual beatings, malnutrition,

typhus, tuberculosis, pneumonia, blood poisoning, and scabies

What was the official record that was kept? A

mitted to enter heart failure, weakness of the body, and one typhus death case

er day as the sause of death in the recordsi

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it

Q. Will you desoribe in a little more detail the inside of one of your eloepine

huts? 1. Our bods were mounds of earth on oach oide of the center trench Fhoy

bad been dug down in the miado of the hut so that one could walk through. Tar a

bed we had excelsior thrown on the dirt end one blanket over that. Three men

•lept on cach blanket wo placed and ench individual man then used hia owm blanketto put over himseir. We all had dysentery. Ono of the causen of death at this

aamp was losings ones shoes and having to go barefooted on the frozen ground, so

that shoes were as valuable as life itself. To keep us effective workers we had

otrlet orders to sleep with our heads on our shoes in the exdelslor. The filth in

hut was practically indescribablo. As it was necessary to go to ths latrine,

three or four times a night, we would have to orswl out over these bodies countloss

numbers of tins. or necessity excreta would be caught in our shoes and thanwe would

have to take our shoes off and put them under our heads so that they would not be

stolen.

q. How often, if at all, was ths excelsior or straw ehanged A. In the firat

we did not have enough straw or excelsior and it was never changed. "hen

we would walk in and make our beds the excreta from our shoes plus the dysentery

present forced us to live in filth which I cannot describe adequately.

.. I hand you an a map which I have asked the reporter to sack "Axhibit FAISD #

This map is titled wInE Sheet - x-5, scale of 1:100,000. ill you mark on this I

map the location in red pencil with the number of each of the out caps of Landsberg

you can locate. A. All right.

(ConBERT ra© maked out-cmapa 3,4,6, and 9 with a red pencil'and numbered

them in red to correspond therewith.)

3. Ull you state for the record the nannes and ranks of all of the persons whom

you know at the Landsberg Campa? A. The ones I know by name and would recognise

are i

Unterscharfuhrer RSIDL Obersturmbannfuhrer BL AUKE Hauptman MDRG ENSTLRN Untersoh arfuhr er TMPLE Unterscharfuhrer GUWTHCR berscharfuhrer BURGNR

Oberst armfuhrer RA- Haupts turmfuhror MENGEALE

berscharfuhrer LILENZHauptaan LICHIELSDORFE Hauptscharfuhrer VETTER

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Will you doseribe TEMPLET A

foot tall, fair hared, gray or blue eyes, normal ears, clean shaven, robust build

welghing about 180 pounds

and often neen drunk

He was forty-five years oldAll you describod MILKX

tall, brown hair, fair complexion, very good-looking with rather a round face,with

an athletic constitution, very heavy and robust. No drank and ate a lot

alWs in an 33 unifom.

Till you describe RIEDLT A. He was about thirty-five years but looked at

least forty-five. He was six feet, two inches with rather a long alia build. He

He was of pale complexion and had not teeth except false ones

He was emaciated in appearance. He was wounded from the last war, with scars all

over his body not visible with clothing on. He wore no glasses and was clean shaven.

. ill you desori be wonaznsrzzn ' A. He was five feet eight inches of normal

build. He was a man of approxjmately fifty years.

. m111 you describe varrazni A. I would say he was over fifty years of ago, half

deaf, weighing approximately 150 pounds, height about five feet ten inches. His

hair was slightly gray and he was clean shaven. He was rather of a slim build.

c@ill you describe BL.AEi A. Before his roportod death I knew BLANKS to be

very tall, about six feet three inches. He was thirty-eight years of age with dark

hair, good looking with a tris figure, generally clean shaven. He weighed about

IB 5 pounds.

Q. Do you know what HIEDELL ‘s job was? A. He was the mesa officer. It was his

duty to buy all of the provisions for the camp. It is to his alone that we can

attribute our lack of food. It was so bad that we attempted to barter with the

civilians outside for food. The only thing that the civilians would take would be

the gold teeth that the prisoners managed to obtain from the death details because

they held them back instead of turning them into the 31 guards.

Total Copies

- 15 -

..cmn, 7 - - - - - - - - - - - durane theumetnmt neapt

manxsvonna was ca, comander at xeuterang d. A. Cump •t "o"" "*

amp Md 4natond ot ue usual 25 deatna we now averaged 25 ver “e• °m uhe nand. ottass MLL. ou vamataz oond

etona got -or. inotand ot vatar • wey mer **• anelaned to wut our fond ratkon 1. UM MB coula barely exiet defore he "oa14 eertainly d• under

the u»t ration. mon, too, there woz. moro nan to a hut. It was too bad 1ra man were severely beaten and maneged to live through tphus end“t °""°

of ayvomery omusod hie aoatn. Dyeemery and wphue amounted for aost o the

dentha in RICMSLSDoarca‘s reign.CROSS-EXAUINATION by Captain CLYDE WALXE, Crosa-Exaundner•

• I hand you an anstrusant marked naw 3 and ask you hat it A- It is a

daily roport about the munbar of eiek people in the oauap divided into the most

o winery groups of alvonnas. It starts on 5 Deoenber 194 and onds on 25 ApF1

1915. This book has been kept by Dr. KEITNZa, personally, who Kws now in

woravaka, Ostrava, Cucohoslovakta. The figures are not to be taken too literally

because it was compilod merely for the purposes of reporting to the S5- The

figures showing tuberculosis are eertainly under the real number and the tphus

figures shows only about 10% to 15% of the real number.

a. I now refer you to pages 1 2 of Exhibit RUED 633 and notice that on

the extreme left hand colum of cash page there are some Gorman word. written,

till you translate ths. In order starting from the top to the bottom? •• ® 1 and 2 are identical as all pages of the exo ibit are simdlar. The first Gorman

word means type of disease) the socond translated Mans enteritis, ths third

word translated means respiratory aystem; the fourth words means pneumnonia; the

fifth word menns stomach and intestinal diseases; the bixth, heart disease; the

covorn, circulatory aystem, the eighth, o^taj the ninth, aafectional 41—

qucr you -ill find undar that atem wpnuas ) the tenth, tuberculoaloi the eeventh,

phlegnona; the twelfth, eryatpel; the tirteenth, aqo1doct6; th. fourteenth, "urd-

sal oases; the rintoentn, aiacellaa.au; the sizrteontn, general woacngssot the ,

body) the seventeenth, totals. These pages are signal by S3 800 voroT and, the

Jewish doctor HALPENN,

q. I refer you to page one of the exhibit under the marking

Tuenday. I wish you to read ani translate the nusabera found

of 5 Decamber 1944,

in that column

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Q. I nor dirat

7

42101124

2337

Dnease or oystem

PneumoniaStomach and IntostinesReart diseaseGIreulatin of blood OedenataInfoctious diseanes

FrysipelAccidentsSurgical casesHis cel l aneousGeneral malnutritionTotal

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"hether the total you have dust read is accurate? A. The total 1s certainly

what is wrong with the Higures 1. that the totals of each andvduaa Atem la an- correct, especially malnutrition because the doctor knew the total number. ne,

insorting mrboro for the other diseases, the catch-a figure was mainutriuaon.“ This is an averAgo day for sickness in the book, is that oorrect: A, Yes,

now hand you an inotrument known as xhbit re 04 and ask you what at. I is a piece of paper which had been used to count up all membora of the

camp on the 1st of April 1945, divided into different nationalities. This division

is as follows:

roles 1132lungarlans 1104Lithuanians 406Latvians 1Czechs U5Russians 1Germans 80Stateless 12

Itallans

French 31Bulgarians 6Hollanders 13Tugo-Slavs 2United States 2Slovakians 39Greeks 49Rumanians 1

14

here was a separate necount of Aryans as follows:

Germans 3roles 29Russians 3Prench 31Bulgarians 2

S1 ovakians

The women were as follows:

Italians Germans Czechs Hungarians lugo-slavs

36143 75

HAthuani ana Hungarians Germans Hlollanders Slovakiana

Belgians Polish

l 381 21 1

13

17

camp opened. Mis

This

I personally knew there were more

you what it is?

camp are divided

into different occupations

translate it

Date of birth

*111 you tell me whose writing is in this book? A,

I now direct your attention to the first Ban's name

Dr. HKITNER’s

which is 594

A He was the 594th mantodiein Camp #4 from the day the

last name waa IBDEAIE, hie first name was GMORG, hie prisoner number was 116034

his date of birth was 8 May 1915. Ho died on 27 December 1944 from phlegmanon

This entry was countersigned by somebody I do not know on 29

death roll index shows the date 24 January 1945, the last calendar number as

Q• lo thio book true and accurate to the boot of your knowledge? A

question the item under cause of death and we were instructed not to put down

Q. I now hand you an Ixhibit marked Exhibit PIED #36 and ask

It la a piper that shows how the 182 healthy people of the

Q. I notice that thia lo all in Gorman, will you giving the nuabers

in Engliah? A. It is as followa:

Prisonor doctorNeads of depart ments,dootorsDoctors for adninistratlon,

surgical doctor for emergencySurgical doctors for aore per-

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3 64

15 IS

182

4068143 3

Doctors in the huts Servants FharmacistClerkaClothing roomCleaning of lavatories and latrines

MessengersNashroom orderly HairdresseroUndertaker detal RaitersTotal

Thio means 6.08 . froz a total of 3,000 for alck people. Half the healthy men

wore removed froa the canp so that this paper was a request by Dr. HALF SUI to get

permission to have at least 182 healthy poople la the camp which was accepted

as of 5 Decenber 1944.

Q. I now hand you an Inatrument marked "xhibit mIED 137 and ask you what it

containa? A. it is a book that shows exactly the names and numbers of gri sonars

being in Camp #4 on the 14th of January 1945. All these scratched out with lead

marking died after said date. Before I brought this book in with me I wrote the

inside inscription which I have signed.

A. I direct your attention to pages I and 2 and ask you to read the headings of

the columns? A. Jalendar number, prison number, kind of prisoner, last name,

firot name, date of birth, profession, profession now - occupation in eanp.

- I direct your attention to the first line and ask you to read it straight

through? A. They read as follows:

Islander number 1 Date of birth 22 March 1896rison number 71275 Frofession laborer

Kind of prieoner lungarian Jew Profession now - JinkLast name HEDLANDER occupation in campFirst name UOsEs

This line has been scratehed with a rod pencil indicating the man dead as of

17 January 1945.

. I notice there a blue check nark behind Hungarian Jew, what is that? A. I

uaed that color to count those porsons that I was checking who had previously

died.

. kept this book A. I have personally kept this book with another clerk

and I swear on ay oath as to its accuracy.

19

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Qe

" I notiee that there are 51 with the Gorman nerd for dead behind At,

that indicatez A. 2,209 wan tL, nmL., „ ,, _____._____________

J notice that there is other writing on the next to the last

bruary 1945 from Camp fU as physicians to Canp

typhus and came to help our doctors who were almont

our camp got typhus.

• I now show you a serien of boxes marked Exhibit

They happened to outlive

*U siek, very doctor in

a ' . ? ■

^M3ii 4 38 through FIZD #48

both number, inclusi" and 4% you what they contatnt A, In axnidt zarn 638

the .Utua of the people is unknown, that la, I did not know whether they were

living or dead on 25 April 1945. Eehabdta FREED 39, 40, 21 ana 4a Je,vine on the 25th of April 1945. In Exhibit FIED

the l4ving men and women on the 25th of April 1945.

843 there are cards of both

Raxdhibits PIzD 4, 45, 16,

“7 end “8 are boxes containing the nazes of persona knomn to be dead on 25 Ageil 1945.

0- Arallof th. carta in Wdbita FRIED 38 through 48 both muzbera anebumiv.

the same? * Tea, they are gonerally th. aam shomang th. mans prleoner number,

nationality, first nams, last name, date of birth, p2acn of birth, prokecskon

and if doad a orose with the det. of deatn, ana th. oalendar munber which Anadentos the plate in th. orriedai book of th. death focorde whirt have o beon bumnaa

"aptzan zomeLaDonFan. X wirt to otate that thia is not Acompla. UM o poroons both living and dead bocaus records were deetroyed, probably by th. fire. doe.

on stole th.ir own cards to avoid detection after thelr vocap. ana tho rocords

were found by myselr scattered all over the floor.I wish you to pick out a card from th. dead files which Lsknomn an saiut

FRIED f 48 and read froB that slip exactly what appears on that pUM of paper:

- 20

N oaBET FRIED picked out a piece of paper from Exhibit FaIED #4,8 and

read the portinent Information

Thia card contains th* following data: Prisoner number 82159, Lithuanian

Jew, VOLPERT, ABRNMAM, Eorn on the 8th of Fobruary 1090 at Vilnius, unskilled

laborer, died on 1 Decerber 1944, Mumber of death roll 233

Th* witness put the piece if paper in the box marked Ixhibit PUED 48

These boxes were sealed in the presonce of the witness to be handed over

to the proper authorities at a later date. xhibits /38 to L8 sealed

How did you obtain these records? A. I went bask to the concentration

camp and personally collected all of these boxes and official records and have

kept them ever since until today when I turned over to be marked as exhibits

is there anything else you wish to state for this

this camp was primarily a Jewish exterminaion camp I could go on for some length

and tell you of the many hardships, beatings and many other things that were

the full amotnt of

beatings that were given to us it would require a great anotint of time

a person would have to do would be to multiply the mumnber of prisoners in' th*

camp by the number of days there are and on a average of four whippings a day

and you would get a rough idea of the amount of beatings that were given to us

tit ion and a great lack of medical care

Testimony adjourned at 0600 hours on 21 May 1945

ATTEST:

during my stay at cap. The beatings were not our greatest hardship. We died

not by beatings but by 1 ack of food and the most primitive facilities of sani-

done to kill us off. If I would stay here to relate to you

official record? A, Since

olonel, J' nvestigaator- Txamniner

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EXHISIT64Testtmony of Dr. OSCAR xxES, taken at Dachau, Germany, at 0900 hours on 22 May 1945

Tee 5 Jamos Lundy; 32355293, Hq th anwy Gp, appeared before the Inventigator-

Examdner as a reporter and was sworn by him in the following form "You swear that

you will faithfully perform the duties of reporter in this investigation now being

conducted by me, so help God."

Mr. John Ashton, 28 Borno

interpreter and was sworn

swear that you will truly

Hall, Palmers Green, London, England, appeared as an

by the Investigator- Examiner in the following form: "You

interpret in this investigation now being conducted by

me, to help you God."

Or. OSCAR ELEKES appeared before the Investigator-Examiner and testified as followe:

Q. What is your name? A.

How old are you? A. I

O3CAR ELEKES

am forty-five years of age

Where is your hone': Csorvas, lungary.

Q. Do you understand the meaning of an oath? A,

C. We are investigating the atrocities committed

by-campa of Dachau, namely, in this instance, the

upon the prisoners in the various

Landsberg Camps. Are you willing

to take an oath to tell what you know concerning that camp during your stay there ?

Q. Please stand up, raise your right hand, and be sworn, "Do you, OSCAR KLBKM, swear that the evidence you shall give in this investigation now being conducted by

me, shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God."

I do.

Q. What is your profession? A. Medical doctor

P Where did you receive your medical training? A, in Budapest Univereity and the

University of Berne, sitzerland, I attended these universities during a period of

. Did you practice medicine immediately upon graduation from these schools. A. No,

I served an interneship for two years and upon completion of that, I entered private

practice and continued that practice until I was picked up by the Hungarian, German

Police Force.

Q. Mhy were you picked up? A, Merely because I was a medical doctor and they

alleged that I was of Jewish origin.

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terrible. We started by marching 120 kilometers to the rall head. We received water

tuice during this march

We remained in these box cars during our voyage for three daya and

four nights, receiving no water during the voyage. Hany people went Md and on the

loot night the prisoner made a great deal of noise inside the ear - the 33 fired in­

side killing four of us, When we arrived at Dachau, we were lined up on the parade

ground and made to stand there for six hours. Many of us collapsed and were severe­

ly hasten by the 33 guards. We were then transported to Kaufering and for the first

■oath and a half conditions were fairly good. However, from a medical stand point

our quarters were not good as there was overcrowding and insufficient air.

Q. Did you stay at Camp d4 during your period in the Landsberg area? A. Too,

Q. Which of those various eeven camps could you identify' A. I can identify Camp

I show you Exhibit FRIED 432 and wish you to place a red dot on Camgs #1 and #5

Q

shown on that exhibit. A. Tos.

Dr. EIKKES placed a red dot showing the location of Camps fl and #5

as shown by Exhbit HIE #32.

How long in fact did you stay at Camp Ik. A. From July 1944 to April 1945.

What did you do while you were at this camp? A. I began by being a capo of a

work detail of 350 non who were preparing an underground war factory but I remained

on this Job only for three weeks. Then I was placed as a doctor in the hospital and

becane chief doctor in February 1945 at Caap 44.

2 -

Many of the prisoners died from exposure

at this time, be protected against this troutment of honpitnl ; risoner patients, and

we were told that if wo did not abide by the deaisions of the SS we would lose our

postions and be forced to stand with those outside

G. Did the situation in the hospital renal n suewwlat constant when you were there?

A, Mo, soon we had about 400 patients in the hospital and the men from the work details

would bring in the dead when they cane in from work

Q. from what did most of the persons in the hospital apparently suffer? A.

pneumonia, malnutrition, exhaustion from overwork, emaciated bodies, phlegmona, and

later typhus,

Q. '-hat medication, if »yt did you have in the hospital when you were there?

A. For every 200 patients we had medication for approximately 25 or 30. The bandages

were always paper but later on we did not receive these, so we cut up our sleeping

bags to aake bandages for our patients. He had a snail quantity of asperin, sulfa-

nilide, tannablin, carbon and just a few medicines for heart disease

That was the condition in your camp in regard to personal cleanliness? A. All the

prisoners at the camp had lice and there was no possible way for then to get rid of them

C. Approximately how many cases of typhus wore there in Camp 44 at any one time?

A. During the month of Hovember 1944 to April 195, there was over a thousand cases'

of typhus. There was an order given by the 33 that if there were any more than a certain

set figure of cases of typhus, the whole eamp would be wiped out. Consequently, wo re­

ported a fewer number of cases than actually existed so that we avoided the 33 order.

The

the

Q.

exact percentage was that if more than 10% of the total number become ill with typhus

personnel of the entire camp would be externnated

Under what conditions did the men sleep in the huts who had typhus? A. Since all

of the prisoners who came to this canp had their clothing taken away from thee at the

beginnng» and were required to sleep naked on the dirt floor of the huts, any who had

typhus suffered from exposure and died from the combination of both. Also, many persons

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or the men sufferod of course from malnutrition as th* ration for the prisonore was

not sufficient to sustain life as such

What was the ration of food for the prisoners each day? A, For breakfast we re-

coived one half liter of weak tea with auger or cream, then a liter of soup for lunch

in which there were perhaps a few rotten potatoes, and in the evening we received on*

eighth loaf of bread and from ten to fiftoen grass of sausages. Then twice we received

I estimate that th* total calory content could not posaibly

have exceeded 500 to 700 calories per day

Did any other disease develop as a result of this malnutrition? A

of men broke out with scabbies and, as they would ocratch themselves, running

sores would develop. After a certain stags, thia would turn into phlegmona and I would

judge that 25% of all deaths at Camp #4 were due to this cause. I would like to add

that th* average weight was not more 35 to 40 kilos, Al} of the superficial flesh and

weight disappeared so that there was only akin and bones - walking half-alive and

half-des! skeletons

Did you at any time receive Red Cross packages. A. «e received a few from the

Swiss International Rod Cross Thia had a tremendous effect upon th* death rate of

it reduced the death rate of the average of 30 to 35 to 5. All that this

Red Cross package contained was on* kilo of sugar, one tin of salteena and one tin ofbut it brought about this marked decrease of deaths.

condensed milk/ During my stay at Camp 04 we received only one consignment of Red— ,s parcels but since a great number of th* men had died we were given an addition-

al parcel at a later date in each Red Cross parcel there waa a card that wo ware to

fill out with the naM and number of each living man however, received these

cards back and we were told that the whole consignment was signed for previously so

that we had no way of telling the actual number of men living when we received the

parcels.

Did you know a person by the nan* of Dr. BLANKE7 A the Chief 33

doctor, Obersturmfuhrer. He wae a scoundrel of the deepest dyo and a cold blood hound

He would give the impression of trying to help the prisoners but, in fact, everything

he did wns to the opposite end. For exatplo,he gave an order that only the sick

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A. (Cont.) (thoso that wer• in danger of denth Ammediately) in U»

hoepital. we wore then requirod to clean up the whole eaip with thomg who wez•

in fast, not fit for work. Dm to this strenous tpe of labor there were as high j Ing

as fiffeen a day/ from malnutrition plun thia over exertion.

Q. hat can you say as to the phynical troat—nt administered to the isonere at

the hands of the 33 guazrdsr A, hilo Camp #4 was still a working caP, that is,

before it became a miek cmp, I have seen Rapportrulrer unzaz’and also the Arbeita-

aharfahrer (Untersaharhahrer) rkatK daily boat tho mon unmercifully with thick

sticks or truncheons. I, myself, boar witness to this inhuman treatment by TEMPIE

as I received 25 lashos upon my behind because I was amked how many were in my work

detail Md I gave him a correct answer. He said that this was not correct and pr-

ceeded to beat no. I remember also the brutalities of Hauptscharfuhrer VTTMa,

who, when the transports of mick men arrived, a majority suffering from typhus,

used to hit the sen brutally, if they did not jump out of the cars quickly enough

to suit him,

Q. How often would you say that those beatings were administered to the prisoners? -

A. As it was very prevalent, and continuous, it seemed as though it were unending. $

Of course, when Camp AL, became a sick camp and the ssguards could not enter the $

compound proper, the beatings had to atop at the gate. They managed, however, to

make up for this by kicking and beating us more severely when we were outside of

the compound proper.

Q. Speaking strictly from a nodical stand point, what can you say concerning the

conditions at Camp 44. A. One cannot speak about the true medical picture at Camp

44 due to several factors. First, if we ever received any instruments we could only

keep them about fourteen days and they had to be returned. For 3,500 sick men even

then we would only receive one theraometer and two or three syringes. Ne might just

as well have received none because we could not even begin to take care of one man ,

to say nothing at all of the 3,500 sick. Ke received no good bandages and prac-

tically no medicine co that we had to improvise by any means at our disposal. For

instance, some of the work parties who worked outside of the camp would bring back

medicines with them or the new prisoners to the camp would bring medicine from the

lagers from which they came. We had sufficient cold water but no soap. Naturally

we had not towels or anything else with which to bathe tho patients so that lice

were everywhere present in the hospital. I would like to state that since the water

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scabies, phlegmona and all other typee of malnutritlon wore no prevalent in this

A

sans contaners without any one over bolng washed. The distribution of food

nd the eating of it lasted from 12:00 noon to 7:00 p.m. This, of course, was

for

hat can you say as to the latrine facilities in the —ap7 A, They were

■obviously insufficient in number 60 that men would deficate in the pails and any Ohor containers that they could obtain. Lien suffered trot. dysentery and present-

ed a great problem in the camp - so great that waste disposal wan inadequate and

the camp was impossible to be kept clean

What was the obvious result of this condition of filth? A, Two mein renults

were immediately noticed. Due to the fact that there was filth in addition to

malnutrition, men suffered and died like flies from tuberculosis. Secondly, men

would get swollen feet and swollen faces. Their physical resistance was eo weak

that gangrene would break out and men would die in great numbers from this cause

also. The imediate cause of death in this camp was not flick fever, but, in

fact, dysentery, tuberculosis, phlegmona and gangrene. Between the months of

November 19,4 to April 1945 there were 2,400 deaths from various causes. It is

GDtoresting to note that during this period typhus was also prevalent at Camp 44

I now direct your attention to Exhibit FRIED /33, pages 5 and 6. Will you

state for the record whether or not those figures on that page are correct?

A. These figures appearing on pages 5 and 6 were for the official records only

and to get a true picture of the condition at the camp you must double every figure

on those pages

Q. I notice that there io a star behind each number that says infectious diseases

That does that star indicate? A. It indicates persons suffering from typhus.

We did not dare report more than 5% of the total number of oases in the camp for

fear of that SS extermination order that I have previously testified about

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it as a list no that certain individuals in this oump, many of whom were doo-tors, could obtain better food

nurses realzed that

in Camp Allach? A,

drastic results would follow if the dally ration was not

somehow.

I know the following personnally:

Unterscharfuhrer REIDL * Obersturmbannfuhrer BLANKE

Hauptman MORGONSTERI - Obersturmfuhrer MIIIJR Unterscharfuhrer TEMPLE Unterscharfuhrer SEIFERT x Oberscharfuhrer MILENZ Obersturmfuhrer KASTNEI Unterscharfuhrer ZERBES • Hauptman RICKHI SDORFER - Hauptscharfuhrer VBTTER •

I know Sturmbannfuhrer AUMEIER by name only

0. mu you describe the camp conditions, the beatings and things in general under

the reign of wokoESrEu A. During the reim of HOttOENSTETA, he, personally,

seemed to take little cognizance of what was going on. His two underlings, TPIE

and MLENZ carried out the brutalities. •

doctors apt sal til to UORGSASTER himsolf.-diminished- However, the camp conditions

it became so bad that some of the prisoner-

He

in

health conditions became generally worse.

gave orders and the brutalities somewhat

regard to food, waiting for food and

would name all three of these men as

responsible for the conditions at that tine It is to be noted that during the times

related above Camp #h was a work camp.

Q. what can you say as to the conditions under &I SHEISDoaFaT A. It is also to

be noted here that He had a chief underling by

the name of VETTER who carried out his policy of brutalities outside of the camp

compound. He dealt out whippings to the workers generally, but especially brutal-

ized those newoomers when they come to the camp before their entrance into the com-

since he could not enter the compound proper, he took out his spleen on them

before they entered 2. The cam conditions, living quarters and food became pro-

gressively worse so that our carp death rate seemed

There was to an evacuation, as I understand it.

What do you know about that proposed evacuation.

at once to soar.

on or about 27 April 1945.

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•Watam 7

for th* time

in getting this train off with roughly 400 aboard

beside th* road

th« railroad

numbers

and t*

with th* sick men when an anti-aireraft train arrived. The train bad hardly started

to move - leaving another 300 to 400 awn still on the ground yet to be loaded -

ore and two tractor driven carts.

conveyors. In the

meantime

strasse.

which wo startea to load with th* sick men, but in th* meantime at least another

200 san had died on the rail sidint.

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Te arrived pretty soon at the station Sehwabenhausen where we atopped Mid

nhortly aftorwarda was joined again tothe anti-aircraft train. These anti-

aireraft gens started firing at some eneny planes over head and Lmmedtately sees '

low flying bombors arrived and attacked the two trains, le suffered many casual-

ties and many aeverely wounded naong the sick mon and those who could barelz lim

tried to get away from the train. We still remained in the station for two hours.

Afterwards we suffered another low flying attack which was not as severe as the

first. We then rwined there the whole night under the rain. Of course these

Dek people were in their thin clothing with only one single blanket to cover

thomaelves. A few that could escape the 3S guards who came with us from Canp 04

disappeared afterwards and never returned. Also ths crews of the anti-aircraft

guns also disappeared. The prisoners from Camp *1 plundered the anti-aircraft and

one of the wagons was set in flames. I, myself, being an old soldier jumped out

of the car and took cover when the air raid attack commenced: I then returned to

the car with the siek men, being the head doctor of the hospital I could not leave

the sick men and I remained with then until the next day. Other 33 men arrived

and we again loaded up the train with the sick men and the train than proceeded

to Dachau where I -have remained ever since. I would estimate that 40% of those

men that wore in the transport when it arrived at Dachau were dead from exposure.

) had received orders to keep all of the prisoners together and to keep the civi­

lians away from the train so they could not see the dead.CROSS-EXAMINATION by Captain CLYDE WALKER, Cross-Examiner .5. I hand you Exhibit FRIED # 1 and wish you to describe it? A. Yes I can des-

Bribe it. It is a picture of the entrance to Canp #4 from the left side where

you can see the watch tower and the death chamber and on the right aide are the

33 barracks.

Q. I hand you an exhibit marked axhibit FRIED #2 and wish you to state what it 1e?

A. This is the main gate way to the entrance of the camp.

c. I notice in Exhibit FRIED f 2 a sign written in German. Mhat does it say'.

A. This sign says "Owing to infection or contagious disease, entrance is for-

bidden to everybody.”

c. I hand you Exhibit PRIED 23 and winh you to state what it is? A. This is

the second entrance fra the hospital to the admninistration section with a similar

sign posted on a telephone post near the gate saying that due to

entrance is forbidden to everyone.

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'hl* is

this camp whoae wight was generally not more than 35 to 40 kilos

I now hand you Wil bit

an Inside view of one of the huts which usually contained 60 men, 3D on eithor alde

of the center afale whtat

This is exhibit VRIED #25 and I ask you to state what it ial This isasture of one of the streets in ne

street are these huts

Exhibit YuE

icturo of an inside view of the

I now hand you Exhibit FRIED 27 and ask you to state what it is A. This

from

siding showing dead bodies These men died

exhaustion

I now hand you Exhibit FRIED #28, 29, 30 and 31 and ask you to state what they

are? A, I have not seen this burial place myself but I have been told how those

bodies were stacked five high in grave packed tightly with legs interlaced so as

to get more

Do you have anything further to say for this official record? I could tell

you of many atrocities committed upon the prisoners in darsan, Dachau and Landsberg

but to do so would be merely to Multiply in detail the amount of suffering we

The treatment that we received is beyond normal comprehension. Had it not

happened to me personally I would not believe it to be true. The German mind

completely sadistic that no form of torture, ill treatment or cruelty seems to be

beyond their power to devise. Sverything that I have told you for this record is the

absolute truth and I have tried to give it in the minutest detail within my power to

do for I realise that somewhere, sometime, the Geraans must be punished for all of the

cruelties they have inflicted upon those prisoners that they made prisoner in their

various concentration camps

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Cpl JOSEPR H. RIHA, 37125118, BQ Tth AR (J. A. SETION) MO 758, U.

JON ASK

in this invostigation now boing conducted by me, so help you God."

as follom:

Are you willing to take an oath and tell us of anything you may lnow

Yes

Yes

Q. Ploase stand ups raise your right hand, and be Po you swear that

the. testinony that you are to give in this investigation shall be the truth,

the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you Clod? A. I do

what is your name? A, A1XX

What is your address A, I

A

Could you give us an address

NUSSBAUM,

have no address

I caae from Kleusenburg, Rumania

where you could be reached after the war?

My brother's address in Palestine, here I expect to be. I am going

there after I. have my immigration perait to go there

That la the address if you have it? paul NUSSBAUM, Lamakor Pardesa-

Chana, P. 0. Box #5, Palastine

Beause

A. In March 19, 1944, when the

Germans occupiod my native tam, Xlausenburg» Kunania, I was arrested with

I got out of being transported to Germany

From Kaufering I escaped

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Heinkel Horks

I arrivd on the 17th of November 1944. I was there until about the middle

of April 1945. After that I ws sent to Camo Mo. A Kaleming where 1 ,4,0

until 27 April 1945 when they brought me to Dachau in transport

complete and working details ww organized I was drafted into a grave digger

detail.

A,

samp until we had about twelve Then we carted them to Caap Mo. 2, in front

of which was a small cometary.

Q• I show you an earlier Exhibit in this case marked "Fried No. 32" which

is a map of Germany, is 100,000, Sheet x-5, wedlheim, and ask you if you can

show me the location of this cemetary? Mark the spot with an "x" where the

cemetary was located if you can remember.

Mo. 11, already marked on the Exhibit).

Q• This cemetary you have just marked on Exhibit "Fried No. 32", how many

bodies are in it would you say? A. Approximately 1,500.

Q• How are these bodies buried] A, They were buried in mass graves which

had been prepared by special details. Only bodies of women were buried

Q.

Q.

Q

Q.

How many mu graves did you say there are? A. About fifty.

How many bodies did you say there are in each one? a. Some have wore

some haw lees, the most I have put in one grave was 52.

Why were you chosen for this work? A. I do not know.

Were you a laborer or were you in charge of a detail doing this work?

There were only two men on this detail. Wo had or any as 18 to bury

arm etimes about 12. When there was more than 18 we were gi v a e.a ma

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Others have been frozen

All the gold was supposed to be given to the German guards on duty when this

A man was narked as alright for burial when these teeth

The rest of the preparation was merely pulling off all

the clothes and throwing the body in the pit that was always partially open.

We severed each layer of dead with limo to disinfect them so that we would

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O

0 OU ( (0

8 o F* C •

about the same as this condition goes

Were there any other causes of death that you determined on any that you

buried? A, X got the usual ones to bury that were brought in at night and

put in the cemetary for ne to bury the next morning. These were brought in

from the work details and had either been beaten to death by guards on the

job or had an accident. A few, I remember, had been suffocated when they

fell into concrete mixers on a large construction Job near the air field

close to Camp Ko. 11. There were plenty of suicides, I do not know how

during the winter. I can not say how many were frozen, that I buried, but

this was during the winter of 1944 and 1945

Q. How were these bodies prepared for burial? A. The first thing necessary

was that all the gold teeth had to be taken out before a man could be buried.

and the men mere not placed

A I remember that there

you

» or prisoner-

or can you associate any

Camp Bo. 1e is

Q.you exhibit "Fried No, 32

2

4 and 11 which

around Campe

This camp died

1308

• pit, er Echibit in this ease mI."1" marked "Fried No. 31- ar

* obi thing llk« this picture here which

eroeerays in the grave like this

-«. - th. other, but would put the feet or oneon

one‘underneath and that my - space, m UM th.

" th. trench a I have described. Camp No. u at Kaufering u .

authority at this Cup No, 11 whenwere SS guards and orricer - foreman, but thelr namesr t • Capos "63 I can not remember, Tt

had typhus badly and I 46°, and I" M Icould remember things once,-es you have testified that ,

v , you have almost finish^ . A, ,but can you give or rather _ educationthing that you nee am, that bringQ. What was wn. you A, N' "aa- was your title if an. _1 any on your job? A■aid. that ... . • I was a capo and

On. "esot extra help on the graves othe logatAona of ary -W. one th„

w oocupied An th. Landsberg-xaurring

o and 1 do not think it 1. th*. ....

"Fked an "*" showing the grave sites wher.

•W it m ean th. Locatione or oampa Get th. records shon that witnes. n

Landsberg and north, almost

in this case on which you alreaa

you worked. Indicate with a red

7 and 10 that you mentioned.

near Malzhauoen, wast of

• Witness then warVs

Camp No. 1

a

h

deterioration of the physical condition

Khat was this food that you mentioned? A

was practically all water

colder

Q

cold

sam1l pieces of sugar from a Red Cross box that X got hold of and

very carefully. I know this saved my life when I was so weak right after

typhus. The best food X ever had in any prison camp was when I had typhus

Then we were given almost two ounces of cheese and we never had that before

We got a porridge which was water, the same as the soup when we worked.

What was your normal weight before you were arrested? About 120

A. I weigh 34 pounds, at

weighed that much three days age. I was down to 80 pounds when

Will you try and remember, take your tine, and see if you ca recall of

any doctors in authority in that hospital at that time? A. The Chief S8

Doctor at that ties was a doctor named BLANKE

Q. Thin Dootar BLANKS, did you see his very much? A. Yes

What was his rank if you resasher? A

is this the same Doctor BLANKE that was reported around other camps in

this vicinity? A. Tea he was.v

Q. What do you know about this Doctor BLANKS? A. Thank God I did not

have anything to do with his.

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Q

Testimony adjourned 1500 hours, 22 May 1945

AIEXNUSSBAUM

DAVID CH Ain, JrCol

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I certify that the above testimony was translated to the witness in his own language, prior to his signature which ap ears above.

about thia situation? A. I can’t think of any thing else

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Ke simply laid there

this qustioning

JM3D

the testimony that you are to give in thia investigation shall bo the truth

the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God! A. I do.

Q• What is your name? A Doctor NIKOLAS SAPHI•

Q. What is your addrooa? A, Hisabeta 53, Cluj, Rumania.

Q. Doctor is the address you have given us the addresa where you may be found

after the war? A, Too.

Q. What is your profesaion? A, X was a professor before the war.

Q. What is your degreet A, Doctor of Philosophy.

Q. Do you have a Medical Degree? A, No I do not.

Q. Why did you stop teaching, and when? A. 20th of May 1944, X was apprehended

by the Hungarian police or Gestapo in Cluj, Bumania.

Q. Did you stay in Cluj? A, Io, the Gestapo took me to a ghetto in Cluj.

Proa there I want to Auschmitz and X was there until 26 Oetober 1944, and then

to Camp No. 11, in the Landsberg-Kaufering area, t

Q. Why were you arrested? A, Because X am a Jew.

Q. How long were you at Camp No. 11? A. I stayed there until the 29th of ' -0 ' •

Decamber 1944 and then I was sent ho Camp No. 4 in Kaufering.

Q. What did you do in Canp No. 11? A. I was a staple labor

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wya---

a

Q

i

cuito severly when a guard found “• sleepdng during

I do not know hi* nama, he “as

A. I left Camp No. 11 on the

29th of Decembor 1944I vas a room orderly for a block

of barracks.

q. Have you anythingto say about your experiences in camp No 42 1

opinion.

Q. In what way? A.

certain to die in a short time

Ho. 11 when you were there, if you know

Ho was an Obersturmrunrs -- •— "----------.

. remomber the names of any other porsons An authorit wan. you wor UHM. .1

the names of those Germans.

Q.one there who qid these things to you that you

A.

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philosophy

bid beat-

difficultyhave

beforemy life

the wir *tellyou can

gotus?

itit when

ofthe end

it was the

It started later andThere was no typhus in Cmp No. 11 while I was there.

then they

where all

kinds.

after November or

December.onlyNo, there were11? A.

beatings but that was usualown prisoners as workwith ourThey were SS. Who supervised the campto me.not comethe names dogang leaders, but as I have said,

No. 11 while y u were

or starvation.

. ahen you came to Camp No

Yes, I was.

. Can you try and remember,Yes, I do

Camp No. 4 whileauthority at

remember Dr. BLANKE, he was afor two weeks

What did

camp and askeda medical inspector, came into thethat this Dr. BLANKE, who was

Were there any deaths in damp

Did you ever see any ne killed at Camp No.

doctor for all of these camps.

remember after I had been at No. 4

daily at camp No. 11 from illness, exhaustionsay that ab ut ten to twelve died

. Is there anything more about Camp No. 11 at Kaufering that

At No. 4, there were r.ly the sick from the other cam. s

he do? A. I de

there? A. I Would

4, were you a room orderly all the time; A.

moved all of those to Camp No. 4 which became sick camp of the area,

the other camps sent their eople who were too sick to do any labor.

The diarrhea and other intestinal diseases were the rule rather than exception.

if you will, any of the names of those in

ing in auschsitz before I came to Camp No. 11 at Kaufering. I

today in renenbering the names at people I had worked with “U

dones this or not, but ty memory was good before. I am a Doctor of

I renenber once I had a total loss of memory for three days after a

The food was the usual water with things floating in it. You

was warm if you were at the first of the line. The bread, teward

ny stay there, was the tiny chuak that we all received every day.

German black bread, but it was generally wet and green with mold.

you wre there? A. I am sorry

A. (Cort) mud of unythinz exactly. I can not rereber “! "tes “nd 1

have trouble with dates. I do not know wheter the bad case of typhus had

q. Were those camos merely living quarters for laborers in that area?

Yes, all for the total organizations and factories around there of al

Q.

Q• What else in connestion wun Voe-oT — "*

anyone myuelr, but I have noon the prisoners retumed after be had baat them.

remomber him was an th* 26th of April of this year. when he inspectod the

clearod out within 2b

A. No

Q

Q

QA. There

helped hurd

railroad

Q Did Dr. BLANKE say anything when he told you to clear the cap in 24 bourn

in a train and any one that

Q

Q

Q

found alive inside after that, he would Kill.

nAh. Ajm-v anv weavonn? A. Yes, he had a

Did he , in fact, kill any one for not

pistol.

leaving? A

were injected with poision by Dr. BLANKE and I am

certain thet this wan done at Ausharitz with

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this loading

Q.

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Q

their beds or mounds of dirt rather, had only boen under one blanket and tey

and raining weather, a lot died in the cart

cart. Some were sprawled on others, I was siren one potato for •y work

Q, mhat happened, if anything, after you started on your trip? A. Some of

big wagon with sides. Sobs of oars were closed over After we started’ about

two erfantes later, the Americans attested the train. I forgot to say that the prisoners were moved in two trains, the first one left in the mornine of the

... ..... ,,a 44 . naAca afte it started to go. About one hundred were

doctor bound the Wol

did your train leave?When

1945.

the Americans around there then?

there yet

these, dead inWhat was done with

then out on the tracks

up as quickly as it could

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it was still

we left. In the morning when the train stop ed, I looked through some of the

other ears and found many dead in then, who had died since we started. In

the morning of the 28th on the way to Camp Dachau, the train was attacked b

Amercan planes. Wo had 40 killed, I think, in this way. "e were stopped

the pi ama came over. We were attacked when another 33 troop train came

alone and stooped next to us. This is what happened on the earlier train also.the cars? A. The S3 told us to push

At this time l remember the 83 leaders

began to disappear, this was about 7 of the 28th of April.

q. Were you all alone then? A. Tee, in a little while before dark we were

, the 88 had appcenred slowly. me S3 train that was with us

Lost a lot of their people too, but they disappeared the bam as our 3S

gourde. A few 33 men on the SS train near us stayed behind and that moming

I saw them trying to burn the train and scash their guns and ecuipment•

. wany A. Because everybody knew the Anericans wore almost on us.

Q. Khat did you do then, if anything? A. our train was “-oP" “

got out and escaped but the doctors stayed with the sick and I stayed back

too. A few tried to enter the little village there but some s bega to

fire on then and they returned to the train and got back in and the train started

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7

■Fried No. in this case, and ask you if you Can identify it? A. It

Kaufering where X was. The second hut

on the right side of this street is the hut where X lived Hy whole time

laiddhore before we left. These people were dead in the huts and the 33

guards had told us to bring them out and put them here so that they could be

buried. The two buildings on the left hand side of the street are the two

Total Copies

camp kitchens. The big barrel that has the hole in it, in the right fore-

ground, la the cistern that we collected the latrine sewage in

Q. X show you an earlier Exhibit in this case marked "Fried No. 27" and

ask you if you can tell m what it is? A, it is a photograph of bodies

which I believe were the ones killed in the first air attack on the first

train that left on the 27th in the morning. I think these are the ones that

CROSS EXAMINATION BY CAPTAIN CLTDE WALK JI

Q How many did you say there were killed in that first raid on the train?' >' " 2

A X would say about one hundred

Do you mean one hundred killed in that air raid or one hundred dead?

How many would you say were in thia pile here in Exhibit "Fried Ko. 27"?

N

the

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A

Can you mark any other position of

A

Buchle, It was across the road about two kilometers south of Camp Ko* 2•

(IM the rocords show that witnoss marks center area of map with rod square

Q. Is there any thing wore? A. No

ATTESTKD:

DAVI CHAVE, JrCol. JAGD

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/a/.N2K01 AS SARIIR

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i

Dr. HKNKT LAFFITTE appearod before the and tedtifled as follows:

A, Ar LAFFITTE.

Q

Q.

What is your address ? A. Nort Departanent de Severes, FronepDo you undorstand the meaning of an oath? A. Yee.

We are conducttng an invostigation of war orimes and atrocities in this camP•

you willing to take an oath and tell what you know of conditions here at Ca

ich since you came hero' A, Yes.

Dr. UFTITTB, will you please stand up, raise your rigt hand, and be sworn.

TOo you, monr LATTITT&, swear that the toatimony you ohall skve in this investigation

now being oonduotod by no, shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the

truth, no help you God," A, I do.

How old are you? A, I am forty-elght years ofq. .That is your profession? A, I aw a surgeon.

Q. Hom long have you been a doctor? A. Snce 1926.

Q. mat was your sohooline and professional training: A. I graduated from the maca ochoo at the university of Faris in 1926. A. a doctor of moddeine, 1

the noepatan starr in Noz*, my presant hom tom, in the capacity of surgson and w“

there until I was arrested by the Gormans

Q. my were you arrested? A. Because I

house and aided his eacape.

Q. mhen did you come to Camp Allach? 1. )

Hatzwciler, from there to Dacha and then

Ber 1944 although still a prisoner.

on the 22nd of February 1944.

From the date of my arrest I went to

came to Allach as Cazp Surgeon in Septem-

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QFirst,

I would

treated

like to aention Ue terrible beatings of prisoners by the sapos. I have

thirty to forty prisoners for Intornal injuries, which were severe, eauned

weeks before the Americans came

Q. What type of injuries did you treat? A. One case - remember "a" • epanaa

fracture with internal blood hemorrhages which wee,ted internal infection. The

natient died two days later free the boat ng. The can who did the beating was

nae only interested in saving

Is there anything else in this line? A. Others were

so that it re uired abe ut two Ointment

and rest was about all I could do for such eases. Frequently the ear drums were

burst

Mr t would cause that? A. In beating, this was accomplished by an oj

cupped and slapped against a man’s ear with great force. The air pressure would do

X examined such euses, of which there were five or six, with instrwaentof this

Q. Now many patients came to you and died as a result of their injurice? A. I

would way about thirty to forty in the last three or four weeks before you got here.

Q. Aero there any other conditions you observed which you care to mentien?

A. Yes. There was another one which they called punitive gmnastics. The prisoners

were lined up in front of the blocks, always on Sunday. The S guards would start

the prisoners running and would whistle as a signal for then to fall flat and

whistle for them

fainted out, one

other times they

to get up again. Thia continued, on and on until the prisoners

by one, or in groupa depending on their physical condition. At

were made to hop on one foot for hours at a time which because of

the sane effect as the falling down in the previous exercise.

Another was begun in the same way only it was done especially in the winter timo

The prisoners were made to lie flat on their stomachs and crawl, as quickly as the

guard wanted then to, through ths snow using their elbows to pull then along. None

of the prisoners were allowed to stop or use his hands. For any infraction, he

would be severely beaten, and I got him ae a patient

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C. "ere Umm women foreed to do these thinge? A, I saw much an exhibition ome.

The rosult ws the WM cnly the woman did not lout as long as the men,

Q. What ws the phyaical effeat of this sort of thing? A. A number X roceived

died of starvation or an already weakened heart becue of the malnutrition and

working conditiona in the outside during the winter.

G. Did you have the news of any viotima? A. Ies. French Manager EESMIER from

Vichy *0 was a political prisoner was brought in shortly after an exercise. He

lived only a few days.

€ Were there any doge in this camp? A, There were Great Denos and German

shepherds, I would say about twelve altogether.

Q. What were they here for? A. Uhen the labor departments used to return from

work, they had to march through the gates and if they marched too slowly ScharfuhrerV -

GEN3CH, commander of the labor group and 35 Seharfuhrer SCIGNBIDER also leader of a

working department, set the dogs upon the prisoners and had the victims badly mauled.

I never saw anyone killed but arms and legs as a rule were badly bitten and the

victimns had to undergo special treatment at the hospital. I did my best to prevent

further comrlications so that I would not have to amputate any of those eases.

Q. Do you have names of any other SS men or prisoners in authority who directed,

ordered or were in a position to allow such punishment, as you have described.

Atgen, I have the names of 33 Rappoxtfuhrer X2UN R, also Oberecharfuhre, who was

in charge of the punitive gym sties and two capos, one Czech named ST ARI and one _____/

German by the name of NSCSS. They were responsible for all the beatings.

. Do you know where these men are now? A, Mo, I do not know, probably escaped.

Is there anything also you wish to say A. Nothing more that I can remember

right now.Testimony adjourned at 1500 hours on 15 Lay 1945.

HaLuITEATTEST:

sDAVID CHAVEZ,, Colonel, J.A.G.D.4 Invest igator-Examiner

I certify that the above testimony was translated to the witness id his own language, prior to her signature, thich appears above.

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you may know or have seen as to conditions or incidents which. happened in

Q

G

Do you understand the meaning of an oath? A. Ies.

PLoase stand up, raise your right hand, and bo sworn.

the testimony that you are to give in this investigation shall be the truth,

the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God? A. I do.

Q.

C

Q

What is your addresst A. Borkulo Vorshadt, C 75, Holland Galderhande

What is your nationality? A. Jewish.

Is the address you have given us your permanent address where you may

contacted after the war? A. I do not know it is the only one I have. •

■other and sister were gassed at Auschwitz. We were pieked uP for

Jens, I will go back there and settle if there is a house there. I have a

relative in the United States where I will go if none of ny people here are

alive, and I do not think that they are.

q. What is the address of the relativein the United States? A. 5 mL

221) 48th Avenue, San Francisco, California

Q.

Augunt u, 1944•

cume to Dachau on

have given until the

a transport, the day

Q

27th of April of this year, when

before the Americans arrived.

In the Landsberg-Kaufering area?

out around Landsberg as living

1

placos for slave labor for ractorlen, air fielda and industries located

around Landsberg. They were for Jews mostly because Jews were not kept at

achau as a rule and these camps were just under Dachau as a place to send

Q. How many eamps were there in this vicinity? A. There were 1 of them

and they were scattered from utting by the Amner See, a lake to the east of

Landsberg, ae far west of Landaberg as Turkheim, north of Landsberg as far

as Obmeilingon and as far south as Ellighofen.Q. man you tell us if you will what you know about these camps? First of

Q. What do you know about No. 1? A. Camp No. 1 was the larz est» it had

between 1500 to 3500 people in it. It was intended as a much larger carap

and part of it was still under construction, I understand, when it stopped

q. Who was the Casp Comsander at cump No. IT A. mhe Camp Cormnander that I knew of wan 38 man Mailer, his rank was Obersturmfuhrer I think.

Q. was this rank comparable to Lieutenant Colonel in our Arny, the usual

thing in such a prison Campi A. No, other a amps had Nauptnane of the

Wehrmacht or Haupsturnfuhrors of the S3.

Q. Both

that the

I do not

of those tAtles are ecmparable to Captain in our A"V‘ A. Yes.

I had this rank which indicates to me what I had figured before, other ton aampa around here were suapposod to be under Cap No. 1.

actually Know if they all were or not.

ghndP

E

Q. Bow did we. * 99 " ----campa, although X never lived thero.

It

.. and they even moved TEIPLE over therethe prisonerB and • -

. ... ,o hia. I knew TMPIE long before thisand Camp No. 1 was a good place for hia. * "". _ , in Warsaw in the Concentration Camp there, and his

He did his worse work in m

reputation all over Burope was terrible.

. m, „ camp M«. 1 the worse? A. Becase of this kdnd of “» ove0 . E epata „ork oamp. me poople thero at No.

there and it was not a S-eK F““K,ga body, In the winter of 1944, 30 Russian,

I were supposed to be ab-ed D"‘

_ _ .... noe escaped. They were all recaptured and werehung in Camp Ko. 1 when they wera brought baca. I did not ses the bodies

but every one returning from No. 1 to No. 4 always talked about 1t*the nama of the Camp Commander then? A.

I was only over there for supplies and

would return book to No. 4.

.. Md you so any thdng at Camp Mo. 1 or know any about CemP l'” 1that you would like to relate here

A, I did not see any beating or

. 1 but I heard of TSCPLS doing the we work that ho

doneHe was a beating specialist.

Q. Do you know any thing else about CamP Fo.....4 +L, Camp with S3 Guards, but it was us? A. Nothing, except that it was the "

worse aS discipline went with other canps•.. . .1 I camos numbered from 1 to 11.Q. You say that there were e-even -F°

anything about Camp No. 27 A* do not know of any atrocities

2 Md about 2,000 poople top .trench. mis varked ° 6"S"* nothan acceptaonal about Camp No. 2 - there ~ about Oaap I

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-ons•q. Da you hear anything abot Oeap Ho. 2 or do you know anything further

about Camp No. 2 that you care to tell unz A, I know no more than I have

given.

q. Wore you evor at Cap No, 37 Aa Yes I have boen at this camp once. It

hela about 1,800 poopla. The Camp Cocmander’s name I do not kow. Its re­

putation was the sane an No. 2, I do not remembor mary people coming from

Bo. 3. I know that No. 3 usod the name burial Pit aa Humbar 4. Camp Bo.

3 was not a sick annp, but the sanitary conditions there were terrible, I

understani the food wan the same as in the other Camps, so No. 3 had a lot

of deaths.

q. Do you know the names of any individuale in authority at Camp No. 37

A. Oberscharfuhrer MILE acting as the top of the Non-Commtssioned officers

in the compound. I do not know any one else from Bo. 3.

Q. Mo. 4 has been disnussed at length in previous tostimony, what do you

know about Camp 45 if anything! A, AU I knar about No. 5 is that I have

seen 15 or 20 women who were rent to our camp at No. 4 from No. 5. They

were Polish and Hungarian womon and they were like skeletons. I remember

seeing one in particular, and I could not believe that she was alive. I do

not know who the Camp Comaander was at No. 5 nor any officers. Conditions

generally at Mo. 5 were rumored to be the same as at Nos. 2, 3 and 4•

Q. How many people were there at Camp No. 5, if you know? A. About 1,000

to 1,800. Very little was heard of Ho. 5. I do not think it la tod as a

permanent camp like Camps 1, 4, 7 and 11.

Q. What do you know of Camp No. 6? A. Camp No. 6 was an O. T. Camnp, I

■ean by that, that it was a living place for civilians workin.; with the

Organisation Todt, the German labor outfit of civilians in Germany I

know that there was a Camp No. 6 because O. T. mon from other labor groups

in other camps went over to build it, but I heard nothing more about it. I

am not sure that it was completed and I do not know if it was ever occupied.

Q. What do you know of Camp No. 7 if anything? A. The camp was under the

command of Hauptman Richlsdorfer. He was a Hauptman or a Wehrmact Captain

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l

until he was brought over

Midost mu IE KRETBCRMa.

we there as a criminal and not for any political reasons. He wore the pink

triangle on his suit which indieated he was a homosectual eriminal• All of

this was at Ho, 7. The reason I know so much about this man is that I also

uaw him in the Warsaw ordeal along with TACPLE. KIET3CHET‘S roputation in

rm No, 7 was that he would get boys of 14 or 17 years of age and give

them extra bread if they would sloop with him, if they did not cooperate

with him, he would see that they were put on outside work details. if

they would cooperate they lived easy lives in No. 7. KTcmaa beat

prisoners to death, according to other prisoners who came from So, 7 to

No. 4. KRBrSCIS habits, I understand, inaludod drinking bouts with the

88

of

Q

guards, mhen he was drunk he would come back and beat the prisoners for

reason at all.

When was “ICKLESDORFIR Camp Comaandor of No. 7? A. From the opening

the cap in August or September 1944 until about the middis of December

1944. EICKI ESDORFM was transferred to Camp No. 4 as Camp Commander

• Do you know of A Dr. BLANKE? A. Tea.

was in charge of all of the Landsberg Caaps

Ho uas a S3 Medical

He was not in any

Officer who

one of them.

d Hie word was law in his department and he had a, lot of power in the way the

Cnmnpe were run, in the way det alls ore picked and the disposal of prisonera•

Q. what do you mean when you say "MLsposai"r A. I mean when they were sent •way to other places, such as Auschwitz, where he sent the weak and the sick

ones of the Je a to be killed. This was two or three times a week, I know

that is why they went to Auoohueitz bacause that is all Auschwitz exdsted for.

I lost my family thero and I was there myecif, but was healthy and wae shipped

out to work. I lost three friends in Cnup No. 4 this way when theg were shtp-

Q

72

in

To get back to these lamps again, do you know any thing

A, Mo.

Do you know anything about Ho B? A. Tes it hndout it. The Camp Commander was Cbersch arfuhror OELZER. He

about Canp No

600 prisoners

was a Non-Cozmis-

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was nothing

not know the Commandant or the work the

is the sick camp for all of them

used to house slave laborers for

that ran ths

ing supplies

of thorn they

that did

patinnts

were

they

came to No. 4 from their job, because they could not walk or stand up any

No, I wish

I could give it to you, but I do not know what it is or any other names of

men in charge

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longer.

Q, Could you tell us ths Camp Commander ’□ name at No. 11?

prisoners had to do. Toward ths

700 people in Camp No. 10. I do

have it, although there must have been some. Te received sick

No. L from Camp No. 11, but the ones I saw in No. 4 were dying for they

just too weak to even talk. They never came from a sick bed in No. 11,

special I had it myself. I can not think, right now of anyone

had typhus, of course, like the rest of us. Thact

11 is rather vague in my mind except that I know where it was. It was at

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CROSS EXAMINATION EY CAPTAIN CLYDK WALXX

) othing except that there was

it was supposed to have about 1,000 people there and the Commandant was

I never had anything to do at Ho. 9

nor heard anything about it

Q Mhat do you know about Camp No. 10? A. There were supposed to be about

end all the eleven canaps except No. 4, which

and No. 6, which was 0. T. civilians, were

industries in the Landsberg vicinity. No

Buchloe, which is west of Landsberg. It had about 1,800 prisoners, and it

had a hard reputation for work. Prisoners at No. 11 were worked until they

dropped. I did not see any, but there were a lot of bad stories coming out

of that plade. I do not know the Camp Commander there or any of the others

place. I used to moot prisoners from No. 11 when I was deliver-

and they were very louse-ridden and sick. Mhenever I saw any

not

that he could not move and then beat him so hard in the fact that he broke his

jaw than once, TaMEPIE was a person who enjoyed seeing suffering or blood

of others. I think you know it. When he would hit a person and knock one

up

Q

and down on the person with his feet

is there anything more that you can tell us about any of the camps mention-

as mach u I ok remember definitely about names and people, and placea and

dates, I would like to write a book on it but it is all one big bad experience

My «ind is dull from being in these places and I cannot seem to remember the

names I wish I could place

Testimony adjourned 1215 hours, 23 May 1945

11118 TNIGGATIESTIDD:

JAGCol.Investigator-Exminer

timony was tranalated to the witness in hi* ov language prior to his signautre which appears above

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Tee 5 Jases Lundy, 32355293, Hq 6th Arw °P» appared bfore the -rventzuton

sxanar an a reyn rt sr ana «as eworn by him the rollomine form: "You owear the

TOU wn1 faithfully pertora the duties of reportor in tls investigation not being

anducted by mo, so help you God

Norbert Fried, appoare interpretor and waa sworn by the Investgator-

xaainer in the following fort

ation now boing conducted 8o

Lr. F WRADNICEK appoare 1 before the Investigator- Examniner and testified

aa follows:

EK ZAHRADNICEX

That La your address Yalnnke, ozerici, Zarotinova 9481, Horuvia, zocho-

slovakia

How old A. Twenty five ftitt of age

Do you understand the meaning of an oath-

is is an inquiry conduc investigate war crimes and atrocities at ‘ap

Allach, near Dachau I ask ou as a witness in tl lon

to take an oath and istify as know of Cap Allach?

Raise your right and be sworn. "Do swear that the

evidence you shall give in this investigation now being

truth, the whole truth, and not ing but the truth God!

is the address you have given us your nt address whore you could be reached

on your release arents live there ermanent

Row long have you been in Allach irch 1943 J before that

at Camp Plosaenberg

dhat was your job in Camp Allach? in the two years I have been here,I

always a barber

ho was camnp der Unterscharfuhrer1

ROLIN, later promoted to Oberscharfuhrer

hen waa he promoted? 1945

manders while j ou were here2

rival of the Americans

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Q.three or four times a week.

Q.

4 Q.

You moan it was a public display at a line up

How often would this happen'. A. Very often.

A. Tee. At roll call they took a prisoner,

everybody the prisoner was given a beating.

a. What was SrUTz first name and rank? A.

a man on a table in full view of everyone?

placed himn on a tabi e and in full view of

He was promoted to Unterscharfuhrer but

Where is STUTZ now. A. I do not know.

Q.

Q. Where does STUTZ live? A

Q.Have you ever heard of him or seen him since? A. All I know of his disappearance

I realized that

GAROLIN used to

to southern Germany where he is supposed to be hiding.

know about this JAZOLIN, who was camp cozmander here? A. He was a

to cut his hair an the time I was here. Ho never once spoke to 40-

the prisoners dreaded even the mention of his name and he knew it.

oome into camp and he personally searched the prisoners’ pockets for

pictures or valuables or papers that wculd inddaato a recent contact by the prisoner

with relatives. • For finding any forbidden artields in the personal possossion of al

v2

wsuvA and Unterscharfuhrer FISCHXR,

Do you associato these names with any special incidents in this camp7

fuhrer. There was also Hauptscharfuhrer. GEN SH

on work details. Whan any prisonr stopped working or was what GAA13CH thought was too

or beaten, thereby becoming unfit for work for some time. The above Hat were 33 men

and everything they did had a beating associated with it,

q. What else did you see? A. There were executions here but they were always done

by a German habitual crimnal who was a criminal from Dachau. He acted as the execu-

tioner here. All I know is that he had a criminal record and that he was from Dachau*

Do you remember anything about these executions.' A rhe last one I saw was either

on a charge of sabotage or attempted escape* I don’t know which. The execution of

the second man was bad because the rope broke and the execution had to hang him the

.c had all understood

but this did not happen at all. He was merely hanged again

These other names you mention? Shy did you include them? A. I worked in the

barber shop as I have said before. I did not personally see all of the things that

about them. These sien that I have named were 33 murderers

and cruelties and beatings were so conamon that they must have had a

I can not name any single instance to tie up to each of these men. They were simgly

in control here and saw that thing* happenod

How many people have been killed in Camp Alach since you

1 do not know. ill I can say is that no weak person could stand the treatment

and beatings ia died in a short time from the food, beatings and hardships

I am under oath and I cannot guess as to how many deaths have occurrad from bad

treatment.

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Frantisek Zahradnicek

ATTEST:

I

was translated to the witness in

his own language, prior to his

signature, which appears above.

No, I can't think

reetimony adjourned at 1030 hours on 15 May 195

Q.

Q.. HiS assistant was at firat STUK-

of anything eloe

certify that the above testimony

at 23 May 1945

Hq 6th

by hU the following form "You swear that you will faithfully perform the duties

of reporter in this investigation now being conducted by me, so help you God."

investigatlon mow being conducted by me, no help you God.w

as follows:

Q. A. ESTERA KKARTOJSKA.

Q

Q. Please stand up, raise your right hand, and be sworn, "Do you, ESTERLA KWARTOWSKA

that the evidence you

me, shall be the truth.

shall give in this investigation now being conducted by

whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God."

A. Achaulen, Lithuania.Q

When and where were you picked up? A. I was picked up in Schaulen, Lithuania,

27 August 1941.

the

Will you

time you

you picked up? A. Merely because I was a Jewess.

tell us the camps you went to from the time you were picked up, giving

were in each camp until you arrived in Landsberg? A. We stayed in this

Q

Q

Jewish Ghetto for three years and then came to Landsberg on 22 July 1944. We stayed

at Landsberg Camp #1 for ten months and then came to Dachau five days before the

Americans arrived.

Q. What can you say as to your trip from Schaulen to Landsberg?A. There were

200 women who were all searched.

and stand this searching naked.

We were required to take off all of our clothes

After the search by an 35 man doctor we were giveback some

than that

short one

clothing but no shoes. We were, of course, continually beaten but other

there were no particular atrocities comitted upon us. The trip was a

only taking us four days and nights. There were fifty women to each cal

and we were dressed with very light elathi ng, *X

I

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no

How many women were in Camp fl at Landsberg when you arrived- A. There "ore

women in the camp, our group being the first to arrive.

What was the greatest number of women at any one time when you were in Carp.“13

A

Q Mhat was the condition of the living quarters at Cap #17 A, At first "e were

placed in ordinary hutments, 1 hut. Later, however, with the arrival of

■ore Sowesses we were moved to the earthen huts and we were placed 60 to 70 per hut

that meant that there JO to 35 on either side of the hut.

Q. In these earthen huts, on what did you sleep? A. In the beginning we slept on

the earth itself with one blanket. Later, however, we were given wood shavings that

we placed upon the ground and still only had one blanket.

Q, What was your daily ration? A

noonday meal we had throe fourths of

for supper we recoived one fourth of

bread was later roduced to one sixth

For breakfast one half liter of coffee, for

a liter of very thin soup - watery soup, and

a loaf of bread. This one fourth of a loaf of

and near the end to one eighth of a loaf of bread,

Re received either margarine or some jelly two or three tines per week

Q. In relation to the rest of the camps what can you say as to CemP #1. A -Age

n was the central lager for all of the eleven camps of Landsberg. All of the SS

earn there and even if a man were to be punished from another lagr he was brought

there for that punishment.

Q. Did you at any Him see any of these public atrocities? A. He were required by

th. camp commander to watch these public hangings. One time five men who had had no

shoes tore up blankets for their feet. These men were from Camp 02. Because of this •

toyy publicly hanged. The aen responsible for this hanging are Oborscharfuhrer

xmscK, the lager Sturmbannfuhrer AUILCYER and Hauptscharfuhrer Oberstura-fuhrer vosraapon taking over command of the camp told the women workers that they

were not producing enough and made them stand up alongside an electrized wire from

early morning to twelve noon. In the afternoon they had

and mn until evening. These people were not giyen food

The Unterscharfuhrer Temple was the one who saw that the

standing behind this electrified wire. TEMLFLE hit

to carry two heavy stones

nor water

women did

the women

during that day

not even move

when they did not

carry the stones fast enough while running

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heaviest type of labor carrying cenent and groat amoun

Later our Jobe were changed to cleaning up the SS barracks and orrices

3 men would taunt us even when/were working withThe

barbarians, and you all

Sven if Germany loose the war we are taking time off to HU you

That can you say as to atrocities or beatings administered to the women?

They used their fists continually

unfortunate Jew they, in tum, were required to beat him until he was lifeless.

happen to get sick they were merely left in their hut as there was no medicine

Later, however, we would receive some medicine from the International Red Cross at

Geneva.

calved men's civilian clothing and much later we received woman's clothing with the

keep us warm during the winter,

I hand you exhibit GRIBLINGER fl and ask you whether or not you can identify

either of these

He merely contented himself with beatings and kickings but did not administer the

terrible beatings such as was administered to us by the others. I know this man in

the picture to be MARTIN SCHREYER

selected group of Jewesses, there was no real sickness among us. If a person should

two letters K L painted on the back. This clothing was absolutely insufficient to

What type of clothing did you receive! A. In the beginning we received the striped

self, was beaten by thio woman across the face with a rubber baton. It was her con-

dhto double time and if Oberscharfuhrer KIRSCH did not think that the men were running

fast enough would knock him to the ground. Then as each 33 man and capo passed this

A. Tea. The woman is the wife of the men.

our punishment, the actual beating to death of Jewish men. The men were required

tinual practice to hit and beat unfortunate Jewish women. She seemed to take great

delight in beatings. The man is a Rapportfuhrer at Lager 11 but he was not so bad,

and hit us with rubber truncheons. We were also required to look upon

SOPHIE SCHREYER. She was one of the most brual of the 33 women at flsap #11.

iron. Me did

Q. Nhat type of treatment did a sick Jewess receive? A. Since we were a specially

rill you r cordthat were con­

Sturmbann fuhrer AU-Ie Obersturmbanndfuhrer BLAIIKB Obersturmbannfuhrer FOSTRR Unterscharfuhrer SCREIB Hauptsch ar fuhrer MOLL V Obersturmuhre BAUGARTV Hauptsturmfuhrer F9ERSTER, FILIMTEBSL KIRSCH K .

Unterscharfuhrer TELPLE

know the following!

Hauptsturmfuhror SCHNARZHyBE

Oberscharfuhrer MILEN , Obersturafuhrer KASTNEV Sturmfuhrer KRAMER « Obersturmfuhrer RUFPERT ‘ Unterscharfuhrer TeHIsCH

Hauptsturmbannfuhrer % EI SS

i mm Obersturmtuhrer must and Nauptsturmahrr "“O T: b! on:a. mat you w f the goneral conaitions of that w eorparod "th an Otnsr op an the Landsbarg area? a, 1 can say tnds much about Canp 01 “ 1 ”*gnors for about one MUI thM the there sutterod exactay the — “ those in C“p (, svorytndne was exactly the sane, the C^- the olothang, boatine", and bousinet

H aa you got fro camp nt Dachau? A. “ 11:00 »* on the ndem oK 2Apen 1915 w tola to propape ourselvos - the »“b wouda be evaoatod theany. Th. next th. Rapportnunrer rosaSTaa tola us that w bo taxon to sdtuorland and roleased in exehango fot German Friconors ot "ar, but after " had 1n th. canp th. SS accompanying us tola us that this •" not true and tnat ~ "oud M takon to the tyrol. as my couein was u1 vatn ‘ fever of 40 "hen "a

M. th. woods in th. ndgnttime, I beggod the aapportAunrer of our MT "he did

not au-roat ... it it -r. not possible to lond th. .lot women on a oar H. «- cda to roquost and stoppoa • car and loadng 18 of u. on this car which brought

us to Dachau.h. Have you anything else to say for this official record? A. The German S3 guar d.

took every opportundty to beat us, both the men and women guards. They generally

would make life as miserable as they could for us during our time as prisoners.

The number and kind of beating. that were aduandstered to us could not properly be

racited in on. day. Death was so common that it became a normal event in our lives.

I myself have lost my father and mother and I am entirely alone in the world. On.

instance of death still remains very poignant in my mind. KIRSCH held a roll

oaU one night and one man who had fainted failed to answer. "hen th. man regained

consciousness, KIRSCH mad. him stand all day with a stone in his mouth. That night

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German guards and I amth®

and •till have My mind and to

(Cont.) when wo came back from work we found the man dead with the atone

ATTEST:

lav estimator- Staal nor

I certify that the above testimony

was translated to the witness in

her own language, prior to her

signature, which appears above

•till la hit mouth. Life seemod a mere nothing to

3ourod at 1500 hours on 23 May 1945

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AIM» appeared bofore th* Investigator-xaminer as • reportev and waa worn

by him in th* following form "You swear that you will faithfully perform

the duties of reporter in thia investigation now being conductod by me Bo

help you Qod."

Pt EI DoSCH, 42054817, J, A. Seotion, Th Amuy, APO 758, U. 3. Amy,

appeared as an interpreter and was sworn by the Invostigator-lxaminor in th*

following form; "You swear that you will truly Interpret in this invoati-I

gallon now being conducted by me, so help you God."

Mr* HaSZ sckIa, appoared before the Investigator-Examiner and tosti-

fled ns follows;

0* Thia is an investigation of Concentration Campa in th* Landaborg-

Kaufering area. Ar* you willing to take an oath and tell us of anything

you nay know or have soen as to conditions or incidents which happened in

th* Conaentration Cosps of th* Landaberg-Kaufering area? A* Yea*

Q* Do you understand th* meuning of an oath. A* Yea. -

Q, Pleaso stand up, raiso your right hand, and be oworn. Do you swear that

th* tostimony that you are to give in this investigation shall be the truth,

th* whole truth and nothing but th* truth* so holp you Cod? A, I do,

Q* What is your nama? A, HERSZ sowAIR,

• What is your addronat A* Tsi Aviv, Palestine, 5 King Street No* 55.

Q. Is th* address given above your address where you may be found at a

later date if that should b* nocessary? A, Yes,

Q. How old are you? A* X am 30 years old.

Q. Are you married? A* Yes X as marriod and had two children, but they

were picked up by the 88 in 1910 and exocuted in Auoohwits.

Q. That was your profession before the war? A* I was a wholenale cloth-

ing dealer*

C* What is your nationality? A* X an a Polish-Jew, born in ioland* » ■

Q. When were you first arrested, I was arrested in 1940 in Breslau*

Gormany, while on one of my business trips*

Q* Why? A* Bocuuse X was a Jew.

Q. Have you been a prisoner over sinco? A. Yes.

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I

Q. Describe briefly, if you will, your travels from Breslau to tho prosont

time? A. X was riret sont to Katowits, Poland, than to Dulauch, Backgrau,

Radanala, Brande, uarkstadt. On®, Helde, Ksakh—ar, Bmolensk, where I

went with 350 follow prisoners and returned with only 120 to Brande. The

root of the men had dW on the job; Graditz, Faulbriaht, Annerberg,

Ausahaitz, Kauffering and Allach.

q. mie Kaufering you mention, are you referring to one of the campa in the

Landaborg-Kaufering area? A. Tec, Camp No. 3. I was in Cammp No. 11 also

in that area.

Q. How mymny campe were there, to your knowledge? A, X think there were 11, Q. Khen did you come to Camp No. 3 in Landsberg? A. In September 1944.

Q. Who was the Camp Comnander there then, if you know? A. Hauptsturmfuhrer

SCHWARZ'.

Q. What other individuals in authority were there in Camp No. 3 at this

time? A. There was Oberstrumbanfuhrer MILLER, Camp zldest OTT XICKEL, Rapportfuhrer FRANZ MuELLaIs, Unter lagerfuhrer wIILI MITT The following

were Hottonfuhrers, T1D0 ocaIcN, MINOH, zIS. The following were Unter- ooh ar fuhrers i Bzos s,orto NANKHOFF, scorga, RONSTADT, GLa2, woussor? and KRAUS. Also Oberscharfuhrer MIILER and Stabaschar fuhrer STEINDEL.

Q. What were conditions in Camp No. 3 when you arrived there? A. Condi­

tions were very very bad, mainly for us Jews.

Q. Who were ©there in authority or were there any that you have not named

who you deemed responsible for your treatment? AuThere were 7 Capoe that

X remnember with the following name si ALDSI waLT, German, VAN DI LINDE, RoMand, NIGVE SPICZEX, Polish, mosT, German, KUDACzzk, German, Bar,

Bolland, VICTOR uanczas; ustria. These 7 Capos are all aerions.

Q. Do you know where any of them are at the present time or where they

could be found. A. No. They disappeared about the 23rd of April 1945

and should be found somewhere in the vicinity of Munich living on their

own. I would like to remind you that the two Capos by the names of VAN

DI LINDE and TROST, were never punishing a prisoner with a club. They would

only hit them on the head so as to cause the prisoner’s death. Capo TROST

y, a criminal prisoner and had murdered his om mother.

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4. Thode names that you have given, will you tell us what you can anaoclate

with each one? A. Kauptsturmfuhrer SCHKAZ, Commnandant of tha Canp fram

Saptemnber 19htolovembor 1944.mismangrderod the prisoners in the

morning to take off their shoos and strip completoly and doublo-tine up to

the place of work as it was in tha winter months wdth enow on the ground,

•bout 12 or 15 would drop from exhaustion and die. From a 2,200 man commando

a da on construction Jobs, only 2,000 would return, the others having died

either of exhaustion or mietreatmant by the Capos. New ear loads of nan

. arrived almost daily and our strength was kept up. The food under this man

was garbage and not fit for any living thing to eat. hater that was warmed

• little along with black bread and occasional scraps and peelings from

“ potatoes in the hot water. We were allowed a few Red Cross packagos luxury

occasionally. There were sometimes cigarettes stil in them, Bo would al

ways save these and trade them out on the job with the civilians for food.

This man was the Camp Conaander and not only now but tolerated and ordered

in many cases, what was done by the other men that I have given you here,

all under him at No. 3.

A Do you have specific instances in relation to others? A. Tea. OTTO

WICKEL, Lager Eldest, who beat till dead, every prisoner complaining of

sickness.

Q. How many people did you estimate died as a result of this? A. Between

20 or 30 died because of his beatings while he was there.• Q. How many died because they were already sick or how many died as a result

of his beatings? A. I do not know.

Q. Did you see this beating that you mention? A. Ies, I saw it, we all

saw it, it was a very common thing. Every ooming at roll call this WICKKL,

or his real name is VICTOR MIICZAS an Austrian, aid he used the name WICKEL

to hide his true name, which the prisoners are certain was to help him hide

if he should ever be caught.— - ——

Q. That was WIGKIL’S actual position? A. He was Lager Eldest.

Q. I* — g* hank tn the German pereommel.-Mhy did you mention the name of I - '

Oberstrumbanfuhrer MILLER earlier in your statement? A. Because whilo heI

was Cap Commander from November 1944 uo^il the end when the Americans cams,

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A. (Cont.) on one particular occasion, I personally witnessed when he

placed a prisoner who was accused of having stolen some potatoes, into a

barbod wire enclosure, electrically charged, just large enough to hold the

man in a standing position and kept him there for 14 hours. At th* same

time he placed a very large potato between the man’s teeth and made him

keep it there charing this punishment. ‘ny false move of this fellow prisoner

would h ive caused his death by electricution.

hen was this? A. This was a routine overyday oocurenco with different

people. The people were starving and had to steal and some were always

caught and punished in this nay.

. Did you see anyone fall into the wire? A. Ko I did not, a prisoner

gets so bored at the incidents that occur that you just walk away. The

only way to stay alive was not to say anything or see anything if you could

help it. MIILN is responsible for IBC cases of forced castrations of

prisonors in Auschwitz and he was feared and hated. The others knew about

this.

a. Are there, other specific examples of this man’s conduct fas. The '

most unforgettable is the time when a transport came in originally con­

sisting of 1,090 people, which happened in the middle of March 1945, of

which 120 arrived dead. The prisoners had no food for four days and 500

more died in the following three woeka. All the prisoners of this trans­

port vere kept in th a camp in a special section behind barbed wire. . They

would receive one loaf of bread for every ten men plus soup. I have seen

a body with a flesh cut out on its thigh and finally went in to investigate

and found another fellow prisoner who admitted that hunger had driven

him to comnit this act. He acted in a sort of a crusty mannor nd did not

know vhhat to say for himself. He was apparently insane. He committed this

cannibalism while the other fellow was partly alive. That is the

why* this case has come to my attention. A few more prisoners in that

wiree in compound were caught in the following days also cormittine acts of cannbaltsr on those dead and in one or two cases thought to 7 dead

who wee actually still breat i . I

Q. Did Oberstrumbanfuhrer NII. ' know about this? A. Ies. .

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Q, What did IEILXNIS do about ths conditiont A, Hothing

A

Q. Ihat happened to them? A, mhey were buried, I do not know where

his friends

or of floors of the camp. We had sples all over, few known to. - Dae

. Do you take this informtion as reliable? A, Abaolutely

Q. Khat chance did you huve of ver getting back

lies about any guard or officer when we could not do anything. This ws

T

CHO33 IrIoN BY CAPTAIN CIYDE WALKXR H4106-0343

Q. Was this food situation involving WITT one specifio instance or wun it

a sories of instances? A. It was consistently done He was In charge of

They always carriod clubs.

Q. You mentioned these names generally, are there spocifie inatances in-

volving them as individuals of shich you can tell us about? A. No, X

can not think of any spec if is instance because I was working on a regular

X can remember it general. low sm bodies beat up and brought in at the

from Septenber 1944 until March 1945

Q. Why did you go to Camp No. 111 A, I went there on a working detail

Q

wore being taken awny bocause the Ammerlcans were around Landsberg or near

there. We had no food an this march swept water at night when we stopped

Itwaaa very unusual march and the guards acted very different

us before we started to march wassoulyuly and that we would rest often

and actually we did that

Americans would probably take us on the way. Of the 600 men in the march

Unterlagorfuhrer WXTT was on this march and he stole

all the food from the guards. We had a few old trucks that picked up the

people who ac

WITr left the •oli—a with four other

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ATTESTRDa

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I certify that the above tostimony waa trenlated to the wtness in his om language

H4106-0345

Testimony of G—AG t, J WK’, taken al Bachau, Germany, 1430 hours, 13 Hay 1945.

Tec 3 ISIDOA M. aSTR, 32 115 431, HCtt 6823, Bq. IT/MA (J. A. SaMUn) A. 887,

U. S. Ar, appeared before the Investigator-Examiner as a reportor and M« mom

by hia in the fallawing form: "You swear that you will faithfully jarfora the duties

of roporter in this investigation now being conducted by me, no help you God.•

Tec 4 Gs.aGE R. Aims 10 601 420, appeared befere the Investigator-xamtner and testi-

find as follous:O. Mease etand up and be oworn. You,GScROz I. 3az3, do solemnly swear that Iha

evidence you a hall give in this investigation nom being condueted by me a hall ba the

truth, the whole truth, and noth ng but the truth, do hol you Sod? A« X do.

0/ Please state your full name, grade, ard organization A. Tec 4 GZRGL 1. JCNES,

10 601 420, WCXT 06823, (J.:) Nq. aT ISA, APO 887, v. 8, Ary.

Q. Tom ara Vo official photographer of Aar Crims Investigating Team Bo. 6823? A,

Yes.

Q. In the performance f your duties as phct grapher for acIr 06823 did you have oc-

casion to take photographs at and within Dachau Prison Canp, recently 7 A, Yes, Sir.

2. then did you take those photographs ? A. They were taken on--I started n May 1,

2, and 3, 1945.

4 1 shw you Exhibits "s-1" to"§-16" inclusive, and will ask you if those are the

photographs which you tcok on Kay 2, aru' 3, at the Dachau Caap? A. Too, they are.

Q. Does exhibit "S-1" to "S-16" inclusive truly and correctly represent the physical

appoararse of the matters which you ghotographed as they a peered hysically on the gro-

und at the Dachau Prison Camp? A. Tos, they de represent that.

Q. I no show you exhibits "A" to "L" inclusive and "o" to "it" naive and wili ask

you if you can identify those exhibits' A, Tea, Sir.

Q. Ahat are they A. They are ictures taken within and around TahauFrsonCamp.

Q. Dd you take those pictures? A. Tee, Sir, X took these pictures.

. Ddthe exhib; which you have just identified correctly V- appear

anew of the natters which are reported in those photographs as they physically appear

on the ground within and surrounding the Gachau Trison Canp? A. Tee, they do, Sir.

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clusive and will ask you if you can identif UCM exhibite? A, en, SIr

Th* whit* f Britain on th* left is ene of th* wach basins

L & shutograph

step utsde

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B side

of a board w te

The body of a dead person is shown

1

bit ture of a sleeping room in one of the Blocka in

the

Mhnt Exhib A. This

Exhibit "Bn A shows the out-

25 near the windows. It shows the bodies of several

died and several prisoners who were cooking some food

The picture ahown in Exhibit was taken round noon

Q- What does Exhibit* B-7" show? A. This is a photograph.of one

of the wards in the hospital9 shoving

ha t I took the

Q. Mhst does Exh1b1 hi bit is a picture ofa room in one of the blocks which is used as a hospital, showing the

patients therein on the day that I took thepho tograph. The picturesshows the exact posttion Of the patients as I found them on that day

One patient is shown being treatedon the patient who is beng treated the scebe on the front of his

s readily observed At the t t I took this pictureExhibit "B-8", the prison re who was nttenting the prisoner with thescabs was ing this scabs off of the

a small pair of sincere

at does Exhibit * -9 show? A. That is a picture of patients

a hospital in the so-called starvationdiet ward. The men who are were dying at

A.who hnd be- n oici SitiCar •1

Q. And what s Exhibit pleture O'which cont lpletures ab

the other

t1

Ta the pleture show Oxhib alee a picture of therailroad enrm

in the sld inwas

amp? A. Yes

Mhat does Exhibit show Mbitof a. room with! showin nrt

that the

I requested the prisoners o extend • rt

The man who is e on the

nun prlac the various

floor was yn the 0k

the picture. There was he was icsatedjust behind the bucket vhich l ah

ture

R0SS EV

t which you have been testifying, that is. theexhibits to a

o those exhibits correctly re facta aS theyappeared on t

Tentimony

TeoV.S

ATTESTED:

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EXHIBIT 73

Testimony of Tec 4 A/IN a0LSCH, 42054817, IcIr 96323, Juige Advocite Section,

Seventh u. 3. Army, APO taken at Karlaruhe, Germany at 1300 hours, 6 August 1945.

Tec 4 EaIN BOESCH, 42054817, appeared bafore the undersigned orficer authorized

under Article of far 114 to administer oaths in mattera of this kind, and testifiad

aa follous: -

Q. Are you willing to take an oath as to the testimony you are about to give?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Do you under stand the maaning of an oath? A. Yos, sir.

a Q. Please stand up, raise your right hand and be sworn« Do you swear that the

evidence you shall give in this investigation now being conducted by me shall be

the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? A. X do.

Q. State your name, grade, organisation and present duty. A. E&MIN BORSCH,

Teo 4, NCIT #6823, Judge Advocate Section, Seventh D. S. Army, APO 758, interpreter

for War Crimes Investigating Team #6323 now investigating war crimes in Germany,

Q. Are you familiar with both ths German and English languages? A. Tes, sir.

Q. State the circumstances in which you learned the German language. A. I am

German-born and German was the language used in my family. I was born in 1907 in

Bremerhaven, Germany, and went to school in Lohe, Germany, from 1914 until 1919.

Then I moved with my mother to Argentina, South America, where I attended two more

years of German school in the city of Buenos Aires. From 1921 until 1929 I worked

•• in the city of Buenos Aires for two German concerns as a clerk and corresponded in «

the German and. Spanish languages. During the time I was in Argentina I used the

German language every day in m daily' concern, as the persons whom I worked for

were Germans. In 1929 I immigrated to the United States of America and resided

over since in the City of New lork. I became a naturalised citizen in November

1939. From 1929 until 1934 I was employed as a supervisor in the manufacture of

radio condensers. During that time I learned the English language and used it every

day in my work. From 1934 until I entered the army on November 13, 1943, I worked

as a shipping and receiving clerk for a wholesale grocery in New York City and also

as a machinist in the defense industry for the American Cystoscope Makers, ne,,

in New lork City. During all this time I made daily use of the English language.

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Q. Mhen and where di learn the English language? I lourned the Englishlanguage from the time when I arrived in the United States in

daily papers and by belng compelled to

“5* we ever used in •V daily work. I am perfectly able to

Engish langmag and have used it ever since I went to the Unite

learning to speak English, •y knowledge of Spanish and Gernan we

assistance to M.

Q. “hat experience have you had as a German language interpreter,

tationed at Fort Msade, Maryland, prior to ay shipping oversaas I

A. Nhile

ma taken to

Baltimore to act ae an interpreter in a German Pu camp for neuly-arrived pri

I landed in Scotland on October 18,

Infantry, 79th Division, I acted as

I then acted as interpreter for War

reported for duty on 29 April 1945,

1944, and serving with Company L, 114th

an interpreter for the company commander.

Crimes Investigating Team #6823 since I

and have acted as interpreter in the investi-

Eation of war erimes since that date.

Q. As a result of your experience in the use of the German and Engish languages

do you feel that you are qualified to interpret accurately into the English

language, questions, answers, statenents and documents which are spoken and

written in the German language? A. Yes, sir.

Testimony adjourned at 1330 hours, 6 August 1945.

ATESTED:

DAVID CHAVEZ, Jr

Investigator-Examiner

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Tec 4, interpreter.

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I, DAVID OHAVEZ, Jr., Colonel, JAGD

by the exhibit number were not signed by vitness conoerned due to

the fact that vitnesses oould not be contacted for signatures when

the record had been prepared and was ready for signatures. Every

effort was made by the undersigned to contaot each individual for

signature, but it was found that these individuals had been returned

by the Seventh and Third U. S. Armies to their native countries,

under SHAEF policy of redeployment of all displaced persons found

in Allied occupied territory of Germany,

Exhibit •3 - Mr. MORCEL RAUSCH

Exhibit 45 - Dr. FRANZ BLAHA

Exhibit #6 - Mr. JOHAl KICL

' Exhibit 89 - Mr. WENCESLAUS SLECH

Exhibit #11 - Mr. GEORGE BIEBER

Exhibit #13 - Mr. VICTOR MARUER

Exhibit #14 - Mr. OSCAR HAUSSERMANN

Exhibit #15 - Mr. GEORG GALENZIAK

Exhibit 416 - Mr. ZDENO PRAISLER

Exhibit #18 - Dr. KLAUS KARL SCHILLING

Exhibit 419 - Mr. ANTON PACHOLEaG

Exhibit #20 - Mr. FREDERICK SANTI

Exhibit 423 - Dr. ADAM CZERCOVITZ

Exhibit #25 - Dr. ranz XIS

' Exhibit #26 - Mr. HELMUT OPITZ

Exhibit #28 - Mr. JIM PR. GUNNER

Exhibit #29 - Mr. LUDWIG DEISCHAR

Exhibit #30 - Fr. FRANTISEK STERAK )

Exhibit #31 - Mr. FREDERICK HOPFNANN

Exhibit #33 - Mr. ADOLF SOHAFRANEK

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Exhibit 135 MIECZISLAW

Exhibit #36

Exhibit #37 Mr.

Exhibit #38 STANISTAW V

Exhibit #40

Exhibit #41 Mr. -

Exhibit #42

Exhibit #43 Mr»

Exhibit Mr.

Exhibit 445

Exhibit 446 Mr.

Exhibit #47 Mr

Exhibit 448 Mr

Exhibit

Exhibit #50

Exhibit #51 Mr.

Exhibit #52

ARTHUR HAULOT

SIMON SEBBAN

PAUL POPP

ROLFE GEIBLINGER

JOHN OSWALD

NORMAN. ROSNER

VLADIMIR DJEDOUHRMACHER STATTLER

NIKOLAOS KAFKOUT3OS

MARION DABREWSKI

ERNEST LANNER

ALaXI PROTAsoM

Exhibit #53 Mr.

Exhibit #54

Exhibit #55 Mr. WILIELM ZEMPSOH

Exhibit #57 Misa HANKA LESIEWICZ

Exhibit PAUL SEIDEMAIIN

Exhibit #59 Mr BRONISTAV LISEWSKI

Exhibit #60 Mr. JOSEPH BRABEG

Exhibit 461 Miss ANNI and FELA RIBSTEIN

Exhibit Mr. ALFRED HAUPTMANN

Exhibit #63 Mr. NORBERT FRIED

Exhibit #64 Dr. OSCAR £1 iFAE3

Exhibit 465 Mr. ALEX NUSSBAUM

Exhibit #66 Dr. NICKOLAS SAPHIR

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Exhibit #67 Dr* kENR LAFFITTE

Exhibit 468 - Mr WILLIE LOWENBERG

Exhibit #69 Mr. FRANTISEK ZAHRADNIOEK

Exhibit #70 Mias ESTERA KWARTOWSKA

Exhibit #71 Kr. HERSZ SOHWIMGR

Thia certlficate it made in conformity with Par. v7e of

Appendex "A", Letter AG 000.5 OpJA H. ETUSA, Subjeot: "Estab-

lishmont of War Orimes Branches", dated 24 February 1945.

WirWii’, Jr.

Colonel, JAGD

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Green,

tills record

referring to

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s/Sgt ALPIED B. LAURNCE, 33625363, AO 887, V• S’ Ar

FRDERIOK A. A. SAWTI, ViaPoolui, 51, Alan, Italy

NORBERT FRIED, LApova 413, Prague 2, Ozechoslavakia•

M/Sgt O. J. GALLUS, 12050839, APO 887, u. S. Army.

I, DAVID GHAVE2, Jr., Colonel, JAGD, Investigator-Examinera

do hereby certity that* Before engaging the individuals listed

below as interpreters, I personally ascertained the fitness of each

for such a position by qualifying each as to education, training,

haetground and experlence, and found each to bo well versed as an

interpreter.

(5) JOH ASHTON ALPAR, 28 Bournehill, Palmer's

London, M13, England.

Further, that all reference to "JOHN ASHTON" in • *

is a—nt to refer to "JOHN ASHTON ALPAR" , both names

one and the sane person.

This certiricate is submitted in lieu of questlon-and-answer quail fiaaU, on f due to the impracticability of contacting the above

listed individuals before submission of this report.

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Ir, ALFOISE CZARKOWSZI

Dr. FRANZ MIS

JIM FR. GONNER

LUDMIC DEVSCHAR

FRANTISEK STVIRAK

FREDIRICK HCTMBIA:2

LUDId SCRECHER

ADCLF SCHAFRANET

GEOROE VC IDA

ABRAM DAS

EDICUND PALEWODZINSFI

LEO MICHALOMSKI

STANISTAV WCLAE

BORIS PULDA

ALOJZY SLAUSKI

ARTHUR HAULOT

SIMON GEDBNN

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Schul Str. ,7, Neumark, Kest Prusntm, Oermnny, c/o Anaotnsin Czarkovek.

P1 J an ska Ljubljana

7tietal II 1/Jaxon Brucken Str 76, Qermany.

Brother’s Address t Taubenhetm Str, 799, Stuttgart and Canns tadt, der- many. Friend’s Addressi (scar Rauseraan, Achmldt-Iausen, K re l she 11 bronn, Murttembers, near Stuttgart. Germnny. ’

13 Rue Xavier Pramseur, Esch sur Alsetti, Luxembourg.

Rakek, Yugoslavin,

Horn Pocernlce, Prague-Venkov Czechoslovakn.

Horn Baeva u Roznova p.R;O zecho al ovak la.

Munlch, Qermany

Schuluasse /18, Fger, Gzechoslovakia

II Bimbo U t 30, Budapest, Hungary,

Sonnowlec, Sienkiewiez, Poland.

Kologinty 2, Qnieano, Poland

Sulcle n/w Poland

Lauretanska II, Krakow, Poland.

"on-Repon no, Lnusnnne, svitzerlana Farna no, Krotoszyn, Province of

2 Rue dos lupins, Belstrort, Bruxelles, Bolglum./52 Rue Picalle, Pnrin,.9, Franco

Aushere-Khrlich Strasne 1151, Bamberg, Germany.

5, Bendzen, Poland.

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ALEXI PROTA3OK

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CHIR STATTLER

KAFI C UTSOS

Nr. MARIOR DAPREMGKI

Mr. ERNEST LANNER

Ir. PAUI SEIDERAMN

JOSEPH BRABLC

Mr. ALFRED HAUPTMAX

Iargrave stranse 11, Cemnitz, Saxony.

Soviet Street 732, Leningrad, Rusaia.

Ash Esch-Al tlleso 9, Rue des Reaper ts, Luxombourg.

e/o Piotr Kubas, Poselska #13 Krakow, Poland.

Room 35, House 43, Proletaryon Street #25, Rostov, Rusela.

Park strasse /15, Sosnwitz, Poland.

51 Dlarhlou, Athene, Greece

Kapuziner Strasse 74, Warsaw,Pol end

Mavar in Wein 25, Valentngasse 5, Vienna, Austria.

Poznnn, Poland.

Taubenbers #15, Eger, Sudetonland.

Hods, Poland, Brother's Address! Max Bumenfeld, Rue Mesla6, Paris, ITT, France.

Posener str, 51/21, Kalis*, Poland.

c/o Pokorny, Lazarska 6, Iroslav zechoslovakia.Prague XX

Torun, Sezytnn Strasne PT, Poland

#66, Trebeuco, Bohemia.

Krewo, District of ViIna, Poland.

Lode, Poland, Radsvanaka 14.

Lapova 3,., 2,V 20010llOTtK X* •

Osorvas, Hungary

Klsusenburg, Rumana. Brother’s Address! Paul Nussbnum, tamaker Pardeso-Chana, P.O. Box f5, Palestine

• Elisabets, 53, CluJ» Rumania.

- Mtort Department de Severes, France dl - _ c- M

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Mr. WILLIZ LOVENBTKG

Yr. FRATTISEX ZAIRAMIGEX

Man ESTSRA rARTOWSKA

Mr. HERSZ SCHMMER

Ted 4 OECRGE R. JOKES

m ERWIN BCKSOK

- Berkule Vorshndt, C 75, Rolland Galderlnnd. Relative in United3 tat tia i Kall Solomon, 2240 - 48 th Avenue, San Francisco, California*

- Valanko, Mezerc1, Zerotinova 7461, NoravIn, Gzechoslovakia.

- Achnulen, Lithuania*

- 5 King Street 455, Tel aviv, Paleatine*

- ASM 10601420, ucr 6823, (J. A.Sootion) Hq. 7th Army, APO 758, U.S. ArayHome Address: 16 Dirley Foor Hoad, Frecheville, Sheffield England,

- ASK 42054817, WIT 6823, (J.A.Section) Hq. 7th Arity, AFC 758, U. 3. Army Hone Adress: 2350 Powell Avenue, Bronx 61 Row York, X, Y,

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