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WEDNESDAY 24 NOVEMBER 2021

THE FIRST MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT

HANSARD NO: 203MIXED VERSION

THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLYSPEAKER

The Hon. Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.DEPUTY SPEAKER

Hon. P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP. (Tonota)

Clerk of the National AssemblyDeputy Clerk of the National AssemblyActing Learned Parliamentary CounselAssistant Clerk (E)

- Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Ms K. Kokoro - Mr R. Josiah

CABINET

His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP. - President

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP. (Boteti West) - Vice President

Hon. K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP. (Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration

Hon. K. T. Mmusi, MP. (Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security

Hon. Dr L. Kwape, MP. (Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation

Hon. E. M. Molale, MP. (Goodhope-Mabule ) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development

Hon. K. S. Gare, MP. (Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security

Hon. P. K. Kereng, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism

Hon. Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP. (Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness

Hon. T.M. Segokgo, MP. (Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications

Hon. K. Mzwinila, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services

Hon. T. M. Rakgare, MP. (Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development

Hon. A. M. Mokgethi, MP. (Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs

Hon. P. O. Serame, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development

Hon. F. M. M. Molao, MP. (Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education

Hon. Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP. (Tati East) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology

Hon. L. M. Moagi, MP. (Ramotswa) - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security

Hon. M. Kgafela, MP. (Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry

Hon. M. Balopi, MP. (Gaborone North) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development

Hon. Dr T. Matsheka, MP. (Lobatse) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development

Hon. D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP. (Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration

Hon. K. K. Autlwetse, MP. (Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development

Hon. S. N. Modukanele, MP. (Lerala -Maunatlala) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development

Hon. M. M. Pule, MP. (Mochudi East) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development

Hon. B. Manake, MP. (Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security

Hon. S. Lelatisitswe, MP. (Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness

Hon. N. W. T. Makwinja, MP. (Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education

Hon. M. S. Molebatsi, MP. (Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry

Hon. H. B. Billy, MP. (Francistown East) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development

Hon. M. R. Shamukuni, MP. (Chobe) - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology

MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES

Names Constituency

RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party)

Hon. L. Kablay, MP. (Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe

Hon. Dr U. Dow, MP. Specially Elected

Hon. P. Majaga, MP. Nata-GwetaHon. J. S. Brooks, MP. Kgalagadi South

Hon. C. Greeff, MP. Gaborone Bonnington South

Hon. T. Letsholo, MP. Kanye North

Hon. T. F. Leuwe, MP. Takatokwane

Hon. T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP. Gaborone Central

Hon. S. N. Moabi, MP. Tati West

Hon. T. Monnakgotla, MP. Kgalagadi North

Hon. P. K. Motaosane, MP. Thamaga-Kumakwane

Hon. O. Regoeng, MP. Molepolole North

Hon. J. L. Thiite, MP. Ghanzi NorthHon. A. Lesaso, MP. Shoshong

OPPOSITION

(Umbrella for Democratic Change)

Hon. D. Saleshando, MP. (Leader of the Opposition) Maun West

Hon. M. G. J. Motsamai, MP. (Opposition Whip) Ghanzi South

Hon. D. L. Keorapetse, MP. Selebi Phikwe WestHon. Y. Boko, MP. Mahalapye EastHon. Dr K. Gobotswang, MP. Sefhare-Ramokgonami

Hon. C. K. Hikuama, MP. Ngami

Hon. K. K. Kapinga, MP Okavango

Hon. G. Kekgonegile, MP. Maun East

Hon. T. B. Lucas, MP. Bobonong

Hon. K. Nkawana, MP. Selebi Phikwe East

Hon. O. Ramogapi, MP. Palapye

Hon. Dr N. Tshabang, MP. Nkange

Hon. D. Tshere, MP. Mahalapye West

Hon. M. I. Moswaane, MP. Francistown West

(Botswana Patriotic Front)

Hon. T. S. Khama, MP. Serowe West

Hon. L. Lesedi, MP. Serowe South

Hon. B. Mathoothe, MP. Serowe NorthHon. M. Reatile, MP. Jwaneng-Mabutsane

(Alliance for Progressives)

Hon. W. B. Mmolotsi, MP. Francistown South

TABLE OF CONTENTS

THE FIRST MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSIONOF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT

WEDNESDAY 24TH NOVEMBER, 2021

CONTENTS PAGE (S)

QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...................................................................................................................1-9

QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE....................................................................................................................10-11

Response to the President’s SpeechMotion (Resumed Debate)..............................................................................................................................12-40

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Wednesday 24th November, 2021 QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER

Wednesday 24th November, 2021

THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m.

(THE SPEAKER in the Chair)

P R A Y E R S

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QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER

POOR ACADEMIC PERFORMANCE BY NATA SENIOR SECONDARY SCHOOL STUDENTS

MR P. MAJAGA (NATA-GWETA): asked the Minister of Basic Education if he is aware of the poor academic performance of Nata Senior Secondary School students; if so, what mitigations will be put in place to address this state of affairs.

MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR MOLAO): Mr Speaker, re a itse le gone go lemoga gore sekole sa Nata Senior ke sengwe sa dikole tse e leng gore maduo a tsone ga a kgatlhise. Re le lephata re tsere tshwetso ya gore santlha, re simolole ka go batla Mogokgo kgotsa moeteledipele yo mosha re mo isa kwa Nata Senior, re lebile bokgoni jwa gagwe kwa a tswang teng gore o ntse a dira e le Mothusa Mogokgo, a dira kwa sekoleng se se dirang bontle thata, e le sa Masunga Senior. E bo e le gore jaanong o tlhatlosiwa maemo gore a ye kwa Nata go tsweledisa ka fa ba ntseng ba tshwere ka teng fa ba le kwa Masunga Senior. O setse a simolotse tiro e, maikaelelo e le gore a ye go kgona go fetola selebego le ka fa dilo di ntseng di dirwa ka teng kwa sekoleng se sa Nata Senior. Santlha e le go gokaganya one morafe le boeteledipele jwa motse le sone sekole, Dikgosi, bo Village Development Committee (VDC), Makhanselara, botlhe ba ba nang le seabe, ba dikereke, gone go thusa go bopa bana, bogolo jang boitsholo jwa bone jo bo ntseng bo sa itumedise kante indiscipline e le ntsi mo motseng le mo baneng ba sekole sa Nata. O setse a simolotse go dira jalo, a golagana le banaleseabe botlhe ba ba amanang le sekole se, se re dumelang gore re tshwanetse ra simolola go bona maduo a tokafala go tswa mono ngwaga.

Go tlaleletsa foo, boeteledipele jwa lephata le lekile gape le gone go bona gore ditsompelo tse di tlhokegang tse dingwe tsa tsone di ntseng di tlhaela kwa sekoleng se, boeteledipele jwa thuto kwa Kgaolong-Potlana ya Tutume, ba itshwaraganye le sekole se le go feta go bona gore go salwa morago tiro ya barutabana le ya bana, kante academic tracking tool, gammogo le

academic standards. Sone seo ke seelo se re se dirisang go sala morago bana ka fa ba dirang ka teng le ka fa barutabana ba inaakanyang le tiro ya bone ka teng. E le gore go nna le report e kgapetsakgapetsa e kopanelwang ke boeteledipele jwa thuto mo Kgaolong-Potlana ya Tutume, le boeteledipele jwa sekole go bona gore maemo a ka tokafadiwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Re ntse re le gone foo, boeteledipele le jone jwa motse bo setse jaanong bo simolotse go itshupa gore ba gautshwane le sekole go feta ka fa ba neng ba ntse ba le teng. Ke ne ka dira loeto go ya kwa sekoleng sa Nata Senior mo dikgweding tse pedi tse di kwa morago, go ya go kopana le boeteledipele jwa sekole jo bosha le jwa morafe. Ra ya go dira phuthego kwa sekoleng, e re neng re bua re tlhomame ka fa sekole se ka itsetsepelang ka teng mo maduong. Jaaka ke sa tswa go bua, re lebeletse gore ngwaga ono re bone phetogo ya maduo e nna teng mo sekoleng sa Nata go na le dingwaga tse di fetileng.

Go simolola ka 2012 Mr Speaker, ke wetsa, go supagala gore Nata Senior e ne ya nna le maduo; Number 28 mo dikoleng tsotlhe tse re nang natso. Ya latela 2018 ka Number 22, 2014 mme ba tokafala thata ba nna Number 9 lefatshe la Botswana ka bophara. Ya tloga e re 2015 le boeteledipele bo fetogile, Mogokgo yo o neng a le teng a tlogela tiro, seemo sa boela kwa morago kwa go Number 21, ya tloga ya nna 13, 2017 ga tokafala gape ya nna Number 9. 2018 seemo sa tloga sa boela kwa morago kwa go Number 28, 2019 Number 31, 2020 Number 32. Re simolotse go lebelela gore ngwaga o fa re sena go nna re tsenya diphetogo tse re di tsentseng le go fetola boeteledipele, gammogo le barutabana ba bangwe mo sekoleng se, seemo se tlaa tla se ntse jang Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga.

MR MAJAGA: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga Tona ka karabo e telele, ka fa o lekileng go tlhalosa ka teng. Ka Mogokgo o tlhalositse, re utlwile le rona, ke motho yo re kopaneng le ene, re mmone. Jaanong kana go na le dikgang tse e leng gore go ntse go na le barutabana ba ba nang le dingwaga di le mmalwa ba sa fiwe transfers, ba nna fela gone fale. Re bo re nna le kgang ya hostels, di sale ka disha, ga ntshiwa madi gore gongwe go nne le tokafatso mo go tsone gore bana ba kgone go ithuta sentle, le yone e eme fela. Jaaka ke le kwa Nata jaana, tiro ya teng e kwa morago.

Gape Tona, o tshwanetse wa tlhaloganya gore Nata kana e tsaya bana ba bantsi, bangwe ba tswa kwa Chobe, kwa bo Kasane, le bangwe bontsi jwa metse yone e ya Remote Area Dwellers (RADs) jaaka o bua ka

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seemo sa boeteledipele. Fa gongwe o fitlhele e le gore boeteledipele e a bo e le jwa Nata fela, fa gongwe Village Extension Team (VET) kana boemela Kgosi, ka gore ba bangwe kwa ga se Dikgosi, jalojalo. Jaanong dikgang tsa un-transferred teachers ba ba tsereng lebaka, le tsone tsa hostels gore gongwe le tsone di ka tswa di baka, o di tsaya jang? Ya mogokgo, nnyaa ke dumalana le wena, he is a very energetic man yo e leng gore he has come up with measures in place, tse e leng gore fa dipitse, ba ba itseng Setswana kana sa re dipitse, kana dikeletso e ka tswa e le eng, gongwe re ka ya golo gongwe. Ke ne ke re gongwe o wele mo go yone eo ya barutabana le hostels tse dingwe jaana. Le ba ba tswang kwa ka gore ga nke batsadi ba bone fa gongwe go na le diphuthego tsa bo Parents Teachers Association (PTA), ba bo Chobe kwa, ba kgone gore le bone ba tle go lekodisiwa boitsholo jwa bana kana le dingwe ditsamaiso. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR MOLAO: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke a dumela gore Nata e tsaya bana go tswa bokgakaleng jwa Chobe gammogo le metse e e dikologileng Nata, e e leng gore bontsi jwa bone ke ba ba dikobo dikhutshwane, ba e leng gore batsadi ba bone ga se ga ntsi ba kgona go ya sekoleng kgapetsakgapetsa gongwe ka fa go eletsegang ka teng. Jaanong bontlha bongwe jwa gone jaaka o setse o supa gore mogokgo le setse le kopane, o supa a na le matlhagatlhaga a go ikopanya le banaleseabe, kana se sengwe sa teng ke gone gore, le kwa metseng e a tsayang bana teng, go nne le thulaganyo ya gore boeteledipele jwa sekole bo ka etela metse eo, jwa ya go buisa batsadi kwa gae. Ke dingwe tse re di buisantseng le ene, le gone gore re ka mo fa support e a e tlhokang gore kwa metseng e e ntseng jalo, fa a tlhoka gore a etele teng, a ye go kopana le botsadi, e bo e le gore he can be facilitated go ya go kopana le botsadi. Ke kgwetlho, mme ke sengwe se e leng gore maikaelelo ke gore se diragale.

Kgang ya hostels, go boammaaruri, tsa basimane di ne tsa sha, mme konteraka e bonya go wetsa tiro ka fa e ntseng ka teng. Ke kgang e re e tshwaraganetseng le lephata la ga Tona Matsheka go bona gore go a fefogwa gore hostels tse di baakanngwe. Go ya ka nako ya gompieno, e re ntswa hostels di shele, di ntse di baakanngwa, mme tse di leng teng di santse di na le bokgoni jwa go tsaya bana botlhe ba ba leng teng mo sekoleng sone se, ka nako e re leng mo go yone.

Jaaka o buile gore ba bangwe ke RADs settlement, re a itse fela gore botsadi jo bo kwa mafelong one a a bidiwang gotwe a tengnyanateng, ba na le dikgwetlho

tsa bone tse di faphegileng, tse gongwe di farologaneng le ba bangwe. Tumelo ya rona ke gore, botsadi jo bo gaufi jo bo mo Nata, fa bo ka atumela sekole jaaka re bona ba setse ba atumela sekole, go tlaa thusa go aga boitsholo ja bana.

Transfers tsa barutabana, ke nngwe ya dikgwetlho tse re nang natso, mme re bereka mo go yone to transfer them. Kgang e gantsi re leka to transfer them fa ngwaga wa dithuto o wela, gona le gore re ba huduse fa gare ga ngwaga wa dithuto, re sa batle gone go kgaoletsa morutabana le bana ba ise ba ye go wetsa dithuto tsa bone. Jaanong go na le bangwe ba bone ba ke dumelang gore ngwaga jaaka o wela jaana, e tlaabo e le gore ba a sutisiwa. Ee, ga go bonolo, ga go bofefo jaaka re eletsa ka gore gope kwa re ka ba isang teng, re tshwanelwa ke gore re ba fapaanye le ba bangwe. Jaanong kana molao wa rona wa bodirelapuso jwa gompieno, ke gone gore motho pele ga a ntshiwa, o tshwanetse gore a bolelelwe, a bo a ipobole gore nnyaa, nna ga ke ka ke ka ya koo. Jaanong gone moo go re tsalela tiego ya gore fa re transfer motho, yo mongwe yo re tshwanetseng gore re mo hapaanye nae, a nne le mabaka a santse a itsetsepela gore nnyaa, nna ga ke batle go ya kwa Nata, jaanong go tseye lebala gore re mo sutise. Ke nngwe ya dikgwetlho tse e leng gore re itepatepantse le tsone. Bangwe ba bone ba tlaa suta jaaka ngwaga wa dithuto o tlaabo o simologa. Ke a leboga Mr speaker.

MAINTENANCE OF FRANCISTOWN SOUTH CLINICS

MR W. B. MMOLOTSI (FRANCISTOWN SOUTH): asked the Minister of Health and Wellness:

(i) when Francistown South clinics will be maintained;

(ii) if he is aware that there is only one utility vehicle for the entire Francistown District Health Management Team (DHMT); and

(iii) when he will consider purchasing another vehicle for the Francistown DHMT.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Thank you Mr Speaker. I am answering at Dr Dikoloti’s table; I have network problems.

Mr Speaker, maintenance of Francistown facilities is carried as and when the need arises, including those in Francistown South Constituency.

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(i) The maintenance work carried in Francistown South clinics which is Masego, Lapologang and Botswelelo in the last three years, from 2019, 2020 to date, ranges from electrical, building and mechanical works. Nevertheless, the Ministry of Health and Wellness is cognisant of the need for major maintenance in all facilities. However, due to financial and human resource constraints, there has been a challenge Mr Speaker. It is on that note that ministry capacitated the District Health Management Team (DHMT) through deployment of the superintendent of works in the Greater Francistown DHMT effective October 2021. This officer Mr Speaker, is responsible for coordinating all maintenance works in the health facility including facilitating assessment of all facilities to determine their maintenance needs, as well as developing a prioritised plan in the DHMT, including Francistown clinics. The plan is to complete prioritised maintenance planed in the next financial year.

(ii) Currently, the DHMT has 36 utility vehicles including 28 on the road and eight off road vehicles awaiting maintenance. The vehicles are rationalised for use across the health facilities in the DHMT.

(iii) My ministry appreciates that the availability of utility vehicle in the district may not be adequate. However, because of budget constraints, my ministry has not been able to procure additional vehicles.

(iv) It should be noted that DHMT like I said before, has 28 vehicles not one as alluded in Part (ii) above Mr Speaker. Thank you so much.

MR MMOLOTSI: Supplementary. Potso ya ntlha, ke botse Tona gore, naare mme ga le na thulaganyo e e a tleng e bidiwe gotwe cyclic maintenance, e e leng gore kokelwana kgotsa dikokelwana go ka itsiwe gore morago ga dingwaga tse kana, e tshwanelwa ke to be maintained? Ke bua ka gore, fa o lebelela clinics tsa rona, di kgobogile, di makgasa mo e leng gore le balwetse fa ba ya teng, ke belaela gore di ka ba tsosetsa bolwetse le go gaisa. Do you not have programme fela ya cyclic maintenance?

Ya bobedi ke gone gore, o bua ka dikoloi tse dintsintsi; more than 30 vehicles tse di mo DHMT, mme jaanong a ko o ntlhalosetse gore, ke eng mo clinics tsotlhe tsa

Francistown go dirisiwa koloi e le nngwefela to run around go isa se, kwa clinic ya Ntshe, Gerald, Donga, fela jalo, mo go felelang go dirile gore jaanong dilo di goroge kwa dikokelwaneng e se ka nako e e siameng ka lebaka la gore koloi eo e taboga fela e le nngwefela? Ke eng le sa dire gore bogolo le di oketse di nne pedi from the list ya 30 something vehicles tse o ntseng o bua ka ga tsone?

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker. Ke supe jalo gore the cyclic maintenance jaaka a bua, ke mananeo a fela jaaka re le maphata otlhe a ga Goromente, re nna re akanyetsa go ka baakanya dikokelwana tsa rona ka nako e e rileng. Mo go palang gore dikgang tse di felele di kgonagetse ka fa rona re ne neng re ratile ka teng, ke kgang ya madi Mr Speaker. Ke gone mo re felelang jaanong re attend fa go nang le mathata teng. Tota madi fela fa a ne a le teng, a le bontsi jo bo kalo, clinics ka bontsi, e seng tsa Francistown fela, go a supafala gore go tlhokana le maintenance o o feletseng Mr Speaker, o o amang tsotlhe fela tsa dikago. Jaanong mathata a madi ke one a a felelang a dira gore re baakanye fa re bonang gore ke letshwenyego.

The Greater Francistown Mr Speaker, kana it covers metse e mentsi thata, e na le facilities tse dintsi, go simolola fela kwa bo Ditladi, Mabesekwa, Matopi, Tonota le Serule. E tona fela mo go kalo, mme go na le dikoloi tse re nang le tsone mo toropong ya Francistown, tse ba thusanang le tse di kwa ntle ga Francistown. Kana Greater Francistown jaaka ke bua ke re we have clustered our facilities under that DHMT, ke sone se o bonang nako le nako, go nna le letlhokego, segolo jang kgakala le Francistown gore gongwe gone go nne go na le koloi fela e e leng teng ka koo.

Gape re gakologelwe gore gone mo Francistown, re na le sepatela sa Nyangabgwe se se ikemetseng ka bonosi. Ke sone se batho ba Francistown, they refer teng segautshwanyane. Gongwe ke gone mo go dirang gore the officers, ba felela ba tsaya ditshwetso tsa gore gongwe dikoloi ka bontsi, di nne kwa ntle, go na le gaufi mo toropong Mr Speaker.

TOURISM RELATED LICENCES

MR D. SALESHANDO (MAUN WEST): asked the Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism to explain why the ministry never suspended fees for the renewal of tourism related licences given that most small and medium sized tourism operators had ceased operations on account of COVID-19.

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MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISM (MS KERENG): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Good afternoon Honourable House. Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Leader of the Opposition (LOO) for the question.

Mr Speaker, dituelo tse di dirwang mo lephateng mabapi le tsa bojanala, di pedi. E nngwe ke ya Bed Levy e e duelwang fa batho ba robetse mo madirelong ao, kana mo lodges le hotels tseo. Go bo go nna le ya Tourism Operating Licence e e reng fela motho a simolola a dira ditirelo, a aga lodge, guest house kana a batla go dira business nngwe le nngwe ya bojanala, a bo e le gore o ikopela licence e. Go ya ka Tourism Act, ke yone licence e e letlelelang motho kana mogwebi gore a dire kgwebo ya go nna jalo ka categories tsa yone tse di farologanyeng.

Licence e ga re a ka ra lebelela gore re ka e emisa ka nako ya COVID-19. Re sa re ga re tlhaloganye gore mogare o kana seemo se se tlisitsweng ke mogare, se amile businesses ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Re ne re batla gore re se ka ra ya kwa go reng re dirise the operating licence jaanong re bo re re a di se ka tsa diragadiwa kana di se ka tsa shafadiwa, a bo go raya gore re mekamekana kana re kgomakgomana le gore jaanong kana fa e le gore we are suspending them, ditirelo go raya gore di tlaabo di tswalelwa kana di emisiwa.

Go ya ka fa re neng re ntse re tsamaisana le bagwebi ka teng, bontsi jwa bone ba ne ba supa gore tota bone ba batla gore ba tlogele dikgwebo tsa bone di ntse di tsweletse di dira, ka tsholofelo ya gore nako nngwe, jaaka nako e ke dumelang gore re go gorogile mo go yone, bojanala bo tlaabo bo boile, bajanala ba gorogile, go buletswe mesepele, jaaka gompieno mesepele e setse e buletswe jaana. E re fa go ya go diragala jalo, ba bo e le gore ga ba ise ba ko ba tlhoke gore ba ntse ba le mo tirong kana ba tsweletse ka kgwebo.

Re ne re lemoga gore the tourism sector, e ne e tsamaisiwa ka tsholofelo e e kwa godimo ka nako ya teng. E rile ke ntse ke buisana le bone ka bontsi, ba ne ba supa gore e bile re dirisa sone sebaka se sa kgatelelo sa gore ga re kgone go bona bajanala, re tlhabolola mananeo a rona, dikago tsa rona, re leka go tokafatsa ka fa re tlileng go ithekisa ka teng, kana ka fa re simololang go ithekisa ka teng, go leka go ipapaana gore jaaka go simolola go bulega, a bo e le gore ba setse ba le mo seemong se se siameng.

Ga ke gane gore go ne go na le dikopo tse di kileng tsa nna teng, mme ga di ise di re ise kwa gore reng we suspend tourism licence eo. Re ne re remeletse mo go

reng, re thuse gore mohama o o se ka wa phutlhama, o nne ka tsholofelo, mme ba ipaakanyetse gore go ka bulega. Re nnile le dikopo di ka nna supa tsa ba boroko (accommodation), travel agencies di le tharo, le ba camping facilities a le mongwefela, ba ba neng ba re tota ga re kgone, re eletsa go nama re emisitse go ka gweba. Jaanong re tlaa nama re kopile gore licence ya rona e name e beilwe kwa thoko. Jaanong thulaganyo e ne e le gore e re fa ba setse ba le ready kana ba setse ba ipaakantse, a bo e le gore ba tlaa simolola ditirelo tsa bone, ba bo ba diragatsa dituelo tseo tsa …(interruptions)…

Mr Speaker, ke batla go supa gore ka dinako tsa lockdowns jalo, re ne re dira dithulaganyo tse di farologanyeng tsa go leka go thusa bagwebi ba ba botlana ba bojanala le ba ba fa gare, ba o supang gore ba ne ba le mo kgatelelong. Kana ka kakaretso go ne go ntshiwa wage subsidies gore babereki ba duelwe, go tle go se ka ga tswalwa kana ba se ka ba ntshiwa mo ditirong, industry support fund, le dithuso ka bontsi tse re neng re di dira, re bo re dira le standard operating procedures gore re tle re kgone gore ba ba leng teng mo gae (domestic tourism) jaaka re ne re e rotloetsa, batho ba ka simolola go tsamayatsamaya mo gae. E rile fela ka nako ya lockdown ya ntlha, fa re simolola go bula dikgwebo le madirelo jalo, re ne ra bona gore ba domestic guesthouses ba simolola go amogela baeng.

Go ne go na le gore madirelo a a bulegele go ka amogela balwetse, kana ba ba mo quarantines tsa COVID-19, ba kgone go tsenya letsenonyana. Gone foo, re ne re ntse re ntsha provisional licences, re di neela ba ba neng ba se mo seemong sa gore gongwe licences tsa bone di ka ntshiwa gore le bone ba kgone go roba sengwe ka nako e e thata eo. Le gore ba kgone to host events, meetings tse di neng di kgona gore di nne teng, gore ba se ka ba phutlhamela kwa pele. Jaanong ka bokhutshwane Mr Speaker, re ne re goga mohama o o neng o utlwile botlhoko, mme o berekela mo go reng, re se ka ra nama re rotloeditse se se ka tswalang, mme re ba thuse go fokotsa manokonoko, re bo re ba baakanyetse jaaka ba setse gompieno, ke ka supa gore bojanala bo setse bo ntse bo boela. Ba setse ba boetse, ba simolola go tsoga jalo, ba ise ba ko ba tswalelwe. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SALESHANDO: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. Gongwe ke tlhalosetse Tona gore fa re re a ga o a bona go tlhokafala go nama o seegile dituelo (suspending the licence payments), ga re reye o suspend the operations. Maphata a mangwe a Puso fa o ka lebelela le kwa bo Trade, ba ne ba sutlhile (cancel) madi

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a licences dingwe gore ga di tlhoke go duelelwa ka dikgwebo di mo mathateng. Go sa reye gore dikgwebo di a tswalwa. Jaanong potso tota ke gore, ka gore tourism ke yone e bileng e neng e amegile go feta mehama e mengwe yotlhe ya itsholelo, ga pala eng gore le tseye tshwetso eo? Fa o lebelela potso, e bua ka ba dikgwebo tse di potlana. Ga ke bue ka lodges tse di tona. Fa o tsaya dilo di tshwana le bo licences tsa guide, yo a nang le dingwaga tse pedi a sa operate, a bo o re ga o ka ke wa re a name a sa duele, mme maphata a mangwe a ga Goromente a dirile jalo. Le bo Citizen Entrepreneurial Development Agency (CEDA) ba ne ba go raya ba re, o tlaa nama o sa duele loan, ba sa reye gore jaanong o tswale, ba go tseela sekoloto. A ke sengwe se o tlaa se sekasekang go thusa mohama o go tsoga jaaka maphata a magwe a Puso a dirile; bo Trade, o name o seegetse kwa thoko the fees tse di duelwang? Go sa reye gore you re suspending operations tsa bone gore nnyaa, le fa o na le licence ya bo guide, re tlaa go letlelela ka gore re leka go rotloetsa gore o tsoge, o name o sa duele, mme licence ya gago e le valid. Ke a leboga.

MS KERENG: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Kana madi a a duelwang a licences a, a tsena mo letloleng la Puso go leka go thusa itsholelo jaaka e ne e amegile jaaka re itse. Dithuso tse ke buang ka tsone, jaaka ke supa ka re re ne re leka go thusa gore nnyaa, a re se ka ra re batho ba se ka ba ntsha sepe gotlhelele. Re ba tlhofofaletse ka kwa matlhakoreng a mangwe a kgwebo, gore ba re thuse le ka letseno leo re tle re ba baakanyetse jaaka re ne re ba baakanyetsa tse di isang kwa go tsogologeng jaaka fa ke bua ka all the programmes tse di neng di dirwa gore kgone go bona madi a go ipaakanyetsa go ka tsogelela. Ke supe gore Puso e ne e tlhoka madi ao, e bile re a tlhokela gore re boe re a busetse ka mananeo a a ka thusang go ya kwa pele on a long term basis. Ga ke a ka ka lebisisa gore ke ka emisa gore go duelwe operating licences. Ke itse gore re a bo re ntse re tlhofofatsa dilo tse dingwe ka kwa, e bile gape re ntsha ditshono or alternative ways of recovering the tourism sector.

Wa re a can I consider go dira jalo? Mo nakong ya gompieno Mr Speaker, ke dumela gore bojanala bo tsogile. Ke dumela gore operating businesses tse di mo tirisong, di tsogile di tsamaela kwa pele. Jaaka ke bua, nako e ke neng ke neelana le bone, ga ba ise ba nneele bokete jwa kgang ya gore ke emise licences. Kgang e ne e le gore, re ya go tsoga ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Ke sone se re leng mo motlhaleng wa sone jaaka gompieno ke supa gore tsogo e setse e simolotse.

MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Honourable Thiite!

…Silence…

MR SPEAKER: I can read your lips.

UNUTILISED LAND

MR J. L. THIITE (GHANZI NORTH): asked the Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security if he is aware of the ministry’s unutilised land adjacent to the Ghanzi sewage ponds; if so, to state:

(i) what the land was planned for;

(ii) how long the land has remained unutilised;

(iii) the size of the land; and

(iv) if the ministry does not find it advisable to cede the land to the Ministry of Investment, Trade and Industry for utilisation as a Horticulture Incubation Training Center by the Local Enterprise Authority (LEA) for economic revitalisation and job creation for the youth.

ACTING MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR MOLEBATSI):

(i) Mr Speaker, lefatshe le Honourable Thiite a buang ka lone le le kwa Ghanzi le le bapileng le matangwana, has been planned gore le dirisiwe for irrigated agriculture.

(ii) Mr Speaker, lefatshe le go buiwang ka lone le sale le ntse dingwaga tse 10 le sa dirisiwe. Le ne le sa dirisiwe ka mabaka a gore go ne go sena metsi a a lekaneng a a neng a ka kgona go nosetsa, a tswa mo matamong.

(iii) Mr Speaker, lefatshe leo le botona jo bo kana ka 10 hectares (ha).

(iv) Lefatshe leo go boammaaruri ba Ofisi ya ga Molaodi ba ne ba kopa gore ba le fiwe, gore ba kgone go dira temo ya nosetso, mme ba le kopela gore ba le fe targeted groups jaaka banana.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ba Lephata la Temothuo ga ba na bothata jwa gore lefatshe leo le ka neelwa ba LEA jaaka motlotlegi a ne a botsa, ka gore ba LEA ba na le lephata le le dirang temothuo ya nosetso fela jaaka re bona kwa Glen Valley.

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Ka bokhutshwane go ntse jalo, ba na le keletso ya gore ba ka bua le lephata la ga Rre Mmusi Kgafela gore ba le neele LEA. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

…Silence…

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Thiite, you will have to unmute yourself, nobody can hear you. I have not been trained in sign language, unmute yourself.

MR MOLEBATSI: Gone Mr Speaker, di arabilwe ka botlalo mo e leng gore ga ke dumele gore o ka botsa sepe gape.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: We should have a sign language instructor next time.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O arabile ka botswerere monna Mole Mole.

MR MOLEBATSI: Ke ntse jalo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga a araba sepe.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Thiite, can you go next door? Who is your neighbour? You can go next door and ask your question.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Tla kwano cousy.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)…

MR THIITE: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. Tota tla ke go leboge Minister, ke lebogele gore gongwe le bo le dumalana le gore setsha se se ka fiwa ba ministry wa gago...

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga re mo utlwe motho yo Mr Speaker.

MR THIITE: Ke dumalana le gore karabo e Minister a e mphileng e maleba. Tota kgwetlho ya teng ke gore lefatshe fa le ntse, le nne le tlhaloganya gore mo kgaolong ya me re na le shortage ya lefatshe, e bile gape keletso ya lefatshe ke gore re ntshe dijo. Ke go leboge Minister gore le bo le bone gore lefatshe le le ka ya kwa LEA.

Ke ka go botsa Honourable Minister ka gore ke wena o arabang e bile o eteletse lephata la LEA. Kakanyo ya gago Minister o bona o ka thusa leng banana ba Kgaolo ya Ghanzi gore gongwe lefatshe le le dirisiwe e le la incubation ka gore Land Board ya Ghanzi e tsweletse e fa banana lefatshe la masimo jalojalo, ba kgone gore ba thusiwe ka go tlhotlhelediwa dikitso tsa go bona gore ba ka dira jang gore ba tsene mo dikgwebong tse tsa horticulture.

MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Mopalamente. Se ke se buileng motlotlegi ke gore, Lephata la Temothuo le la Peeletso, Papadi le Madirelo, kwa LEA e leng teng, ba na le kgatlhego ya gore ba ka kopanela kgang e ka re Goromente a le mongwefela, ka bofefo jo bo kgonagalang gore re neele LEA lefatshe le gore e kgone go dira horticulture incubator. Ke dumela gore re tlaa boela kwa go wena ka bofefo jo bo kgonagalang, ka gore ke kgatlhego ya rona gore LEA e ka dirisa lefatshe le, fela jaaka e na le le lengwe gone kwa Ghanzi le e le dirisang la temothuo. Ke a leboga.

MR THIITE: Ga ke itse, gongwe o ka tlhalosa gore fa o re le lengwe le e le dirisang, ke lefe Honourable Minister? Ga re itse lengwe lefatshe le le mo tirisong la incubation la LEA.

MR MOLEBATSI: LEA e na le lefatshe motlotlegi kwa kgaolong ya gago la temothuo, le e le dirisang, le e yang go le neela banana. Fa o sa le itse, ke ka tsaya thomo ya gore ke tle ke go le tlhalosetse fa re tswa fa.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le tlhalose, supa gore ke lefelo lefe, ao!

MR MOLEBATSI: Nnyaa, ga ke itse gore le fa kae exactly mo Ghanzi. Ke sone se ke reng ke ka tla ka tlhalosa.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O tlogele go ipoka fela, o sa itse le wena.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ikgolegetse eng ka go araba ene?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke potso e ntšha gakere mose?

MR SPEAKER: A re o romilwe…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Gape o arabile, ba batla eng…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa mme re a utlwa fa a re o romilwe, o ka bo a dule mo go ipokeng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: It is a new question.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O arabile tsala ya me.

SERULE KGOTLA ROAD

MR B. MATHOOTHE (SEROWE NORTH): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development to explain why the access road to the Serule Kgotla has no culverts even though there is a lot of flooding on that road during the rainy season.

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ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR AUTLWETSE): Mr Speaker, tsela e motlotlegi a buang ka yone e e yang kwa Kgotleng ya motse wa Serule, ke bontlha bongwe jwa tsela e e tshwaraganyang motse wa Mabeleapodi kwa Tshimoyapula le tsela ya A1. Boammaaruri jo bo leng teng ke gore, tsela e, e ne ya re fa e dirwa, ga e a dirwa e na le culverts tse di setseng di le mo go yone. Go supegile fa e le gore those culverts ga di kgone go ntsha metsi ka selekanyo se go neng go solofetswe gore di tlaa a ntsha ka sone. Ka jalo, ka gore e santse e le under defects liability period, ke buisantse le Minister of Transport and Communications ba ba neng ba dira tsela e. Re dumalane gore fa e le gore madi a ka bonala, Khansele ya Legare gammogo le ba Ministry of Transport and Communications, ba tlaa leka gore go ye go oketswa palo ya culverts mo tseleng eo.

Pele ga seo se dirwa, bobedi jo ke sa tswang go bo bua jo, ba tlaa leka maano a a ka namang a dirilwe gore metsi a se ka a tsena mo dijarateng tsa batho, ka moo go ka tsala dingongorego gammogo le ditlhobaelo tse di feteletseng. Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR MATHOOTHE: Supplementary. Ke botsa gore at the design stage, a ba ne ba sa bona gore motse wa Serule fa dipula di nele, metsi a gasama le motse? Ke bua jaana ka mabaka a gore mo bekeng e e neng e feta e, pula e nele. Go ne ga itshupa thata gore malwapa le mangwe mabentlele a ne a ema ka metsi, e le ntateng ya seemo sa tsela e gore ga e na culverts tse di lekaneng. Batho mo dijarateng tsa bone ba tshaba fa pula e nele. Se se botlhokwa se se ka dirwang ka pela ke eng? Ke kope jalo gore ba itlhaganele ba baakanye nako e sale teng. Thank you.

MR AUTLWETSE: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke a leboga Honourable Mathoothe. Ke tlhalositse gore tsela e ka fa e ntseng ka teng, the engineering design fa ba e lebisisa, e ne e ba bontsha gore those culverts tse ba di tsentseng di tlaa kgona go ntsha metsi, mme go setse go itshupile gore ga di kgone. Ka jalo, ke ne ke re council gammogo le Ministry of Transport and Communication ka ke buisantse le Tona, re tsere tshwetso ya gore fa madi a ka bonala, ka mo nakong ya gompieno a santse a seyo kwa khanseleng gammogo le kwa Ministry of Transport and Communications, tsela e, e dirwe. Ga ke na a timeframe e ke ka reng e tlaabo e dirilwe mo lebakeng le le kana. Ga ke itse gore bobedi jo ke sa tswang go bo umaka jo, ba tlaa bona madi ao leng. Se ke se tlhalositseng

ke gore, mo nakong e khutshwanyane e ka dipula di a gosomana re a di bona, ba tlaa bona gore ba ka dira eng go tlhomamisa gore metsi ga a tsene mo dijarateng tsa batho. Ba tlaa dira eng go thusa batho ba e leng gore metsi ga a tshwanela go tsena mo dijarateng tsa bone ka tsela epe fela. Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN BOTSWANA GOVERNMENT AND RUTGERS UNIVERSITY

MR D. TSHERE (MAHALAPYE WEST): asked the Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration to apprise this Honourable House on the partnership between Botswana Government and Rutgers University in New Jersey, United States of America (USA) and explain the following:

(i) when the partnership started;

(ii) objectives of the partnership;

(iii) how Botswana has benefited from the partnership; and

(iv) why it appears like the Rutgers University representative reports directly to His Excellency the President as opposed to the Ministry of Health and Wellness.

ASSISTANT MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MTHIMKHULU): Thank you Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, Rutgers State University of New Jersey and Government of Botswana signed a broad agreement to launch the Botswana Rutgers Mahube Partnership of Transformation in February 2019. This initiative represents a collaborative effort focusing on the provision of technical assistance intended to support transformation of the Republic of Botswana from its dependence on natural resources into a knowledge-based economy.

To this effect, the collaboration targets the following areas;

(i) Design and establishment of a knowledge hub.

(ii) Health system and health care workforce development.

(iii) Capacity building in several areas including internal medicine, oncology, surgery, telemedicine amongst others.

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(iv) Transformation, entrepreneurship and business development, and

(v) Development of higher learning programmes.

Unfortunately, implementation was delayed by the advent of COVID-19 as countries across the globe reprioritised their objectives and budgets to focus on saving lives. We were not spared either. However, when COVID-19 limitations eased resulting in economy slowly recovering, the implementation of the initiative also gained momentum. So far, substantive progress has been made in the areas of strategy development, particularly the Draft National Transformation Strategy, Draft Botswana Research and Education Network Strategy and Structures and Patient Information Systems and Index.

Mr Speaker, in terms of leadership training, so far 16 officers mainly Permanent Secretaries and some Chief Executives of parastatals have been trained. The programmes were mainly focused on identifying and leveraging trends for transformational executive leadership and team excellence including change leaderships, ethics, integrity, media relations and crisis leadership and the development of personal leadership plans.

It is envisaged that more will be achieved as the participating ministries and departments are now rolling out the collaboration with more effort. Improvement of the Botswana Health Care System will benefit its citizens in a multiple of ways. Innovation and partnership will tremendously boost access to educational and research content such as e-journals and e-content. It will also promote collaboration and foster a distinct sense of community amongst researchers, academics and a wider educational community. The public service leadership will further be capacitated to manage transformation and the dynamic social and technological environment which is relevant for management of the knowledge economy.

Mr Speaker, the initiative cannot be managed by the Ministry of Health and Wellness because it involves Ministry for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration, Ministry of Health and Wellness and Ministry of Tertiary Education, Research and Technology.

Due to the involvement of the three ministries, the Botswana Rutgers-Mahube partnership Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) was signed between the

Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration representing Government of Botswana and the President of Rutgers, the State Republic University of New Jersey. My ministry therefore accounts for the project. I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR TSHERE: Supplementary. Thank you very much and mma ke go leboge Tona gore o bo o lekile go araba. Tota ke ne ke na le kgatlhego thata mo kgannyeng ya Oncology and Health Services tse o di buang ka Rutgers University. Jaanong potso ya me e ne e le gore, how did you pick this university Tona ka gore like you are saying, it is a state university? So, ga ke itse gore a o raya gore le na le agreement le the New Jersey State as a country kana o raya le university eo?

Se sengwe se ke neng ke batla go se botsa ke fa ke sa itseng gore a o tlaa e tshwara sentle gone fa gore tota mme fa e le gore go na le universities jaaka di tla di le dintsi jaana, le nna ke tswa kwa University of Southern California in Los Angeles, so they might come. Jaanong kgang ke gore fa universities di ntse di tla go dira diteko mo Batswaneng di leka melemo le tse dingwe jalojalo, di dirisa molao ofe o o fetileng mo Palamenteng gore di bo di dira tiro eo? How are they monitored? Fa go sena go nna fela jalo, go dirilwe diteko jaaka re ne re bona bo Harvard, Baylor, bo mang le ba bangwe ba ba teng gone fa, fa ba sena go nna ba fetsa, Botswana mo melemong e e yang go dirwa, o boelwa jang? A bogolo ga re negotiate fela gore melemo eo e tle go dirwa mo Botswana fa e le go kgona gore go dirisiwe Batswana go tlhatlhoba melemo eo? Fa e setse e dirwa jaanong, mass production ya yone re tsena jang re le Batswana? Where is the patent? How do we just benefit le gore di rotloediwa ke molao ofe Tona? Ke a leboga.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Thank you Mr Speaker. Rre Tshere, tota dipotso tsa gago di dintšha gotlhelele, di batla information e gompieno ke sa e tsholang, e o neng o sa e batla kwa tshimologong ka potso ya gago. Jaanong ya gore how did you pick this university? Go tlaa batla gore re boele kwa morago ke ye go botsa gore university e e tlhophilwe jang. Jaanong if you can give me the opportunity, re ne re ka go tlela ka karabo sentle gore re tle re go bolelele gore e tlhophilwe jang, but I can assure you gore proper Government procedures were followed to get into this agreement with it.

Jaanong fa o re if other universities come, what laws do they use and how are they monitored, tota ke dumela gore o bua ka tsone tse di tlang go dira research mo Botswana collaborating with universities tsa Botswana.

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Secondly, fa e le gore molao o o teng, o tlaa batla gore ke boele kwa morago ke ye go tla ka karabo e e tlhamaletseng ya one ka gore e ne e se part of your question. E bile gape I could not even contemplate gore o tlaabo o e boditse ka gore tota gotlhegotlhe o dule mo setlhogong sa gompieno sa potso ya gago. Re ka go senkela karabo. Fa molao o seyo, re tlaa go bolelela gore ga o yo e bile re go bolelela gore Puso e tsere dikgato kana e tsaya dikgato tse di ntseng jang gore e baakanye letlhoko leo la molao le gongwe o ka tswang o itse gore ga le yo ka gore you in the field of healthcare.

Jaanong Harvard le Baylor, how do Botswana benefit? Ke tlaa boa ke boelela gape gore kana potso e does not form part of the theme ya potso ya gago gotlhelele, jaanong I could not contemplate gore e tla e ntse jang, e ka arabiwa ke bo Rre Dikoloti ba ba kwa Health ba ba dirang le ba Harvard le Baylor. Ke dilo tsa Health completely, ga se tsa contract le another universities tse e leng gore they should be limited to that. I thank you Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure.

MR SPEAKER: Re a go utlwa Minister, they are not going to get anything more out of you.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Yes, procedure.

MR TSHERE: Thank you very much Mr Speaker. Kana potso e ke ne ke e isitse kwa Ministry of Health and Wellness, tota ke lebeletse the technical part of it. Jaanong fa e setse e tla mo Order Paper, e tla e lebagantswe le Ministry for Presidential Affairs. Jaanong I feel like it is not being adequately answered jaaka o utlwa Honourable Mthimkhulu. So, ga ke itse gore can we re-route it back to the Ministry of Health and Wellness so that we get an adequate answer? Thank you.

MR SPEAKER: I am not sure Honourable Member how it got to Presidential Affairs. I suspect gore ba Health ba ne ba re ga e a lebagana le bone a e ye kwa Presidential Affairs. The only way it has gone there… gore they re-routed it, gore ba bone eng, ga ke itse. Legale ga re ka ke ra kopa Motlotlegi Ngaka Dikoloti gore ke eng a ne a e tshabela kwa Presidential Affairs.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Yes sir.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Can I just respond a bit on the point of procedure raised by Rre Tshere?

MR SPEAKER: Yes Minister.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Ke supe fela gore if you look at the question that he has raised, it does not anywhere refer to bo Harvard and Rutgers, not at all and the benefit derived from that arrangement with the Government, how Rutgers was picked. Ga go na gope fa go buiwang ka other universities le molao. Had he done that, we would have maybe looked into those aspects and agreed that it can be answered by Dr Dikoloti. I do not think Dr Dikoloti was running away from the question. He was simply saying that the context in which the question is posed, e batla go arabiwa ke ba Presidential Affairs because it was restricted to the agreement between the Government of the Republic of Botswana and the Rutgers University, not these questions tse a di tsisang tse e leng gore they are not related, not even remotely related to the main question that he asked us today before Parliament. Jaanong ga a a tshwanela gore a tle ka dilo tse a sa di botsang a bo a tla a ngongorega mo Palamenteng a re ga a arabiwe, a bo a latofatsa another Minister of running away from the question when he knows gore he did not ask those questions. It is his fault, he must stand and fall by those questions tse a di boditseng. Thank you Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister, it is not unusual that supplementaries arise from a question depending on the answer given. Certainly the supplementaries which arisen today do not appear to me to be strange, they are not strange at all, he does it his way. Honourable Tshere, re tlaa e bona kwa morago gore go ka tweng.

MR TSHERE: Thank you Honourable Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga a itse supplementaries.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go ipuelwa fela.

MR MTHIMKHULU: O simolotse gakere?

MR SPEAKER: Let us go to question without notice, Honourable Dr Tshabang, Member for Nkange.

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Wednesday 24th November, 2021 QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE

QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE

STATUS OF THE NORTH EAST AND TUTUME SUB-DISTRICT WATER PROJECT

DR N. TSHABANG (NKANGE): asked the Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services to update this Honourable House on the status of the North East and Tutume Sub-District Water project amid the escalating water crisis in the area:

(i) is he aware that the project was supposed to be completed in August 2021, later shifted to end of September, which also failed and then shifted to 10th November, 2021; the 10th of November has passed, but the completion date keeps on shifting to an unknown date, is he in a position to give the correct and final date; and

(ii) in view of the current water crisis, is he aware that bowsing of water has considerably reduced and if he is aware, what does he intend to do to improve the situation while people wait for the long awaited Ntimbale Dam water.

MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): Thank you Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker the North East and Tutume Sub-District Water Supply Scheme Project was scheduled for completion on the 5th of September, 2021 and was delayed because of COVID-19 cases experienced on the site during construction, which led to closure of some operations for compliance with COVID-19 protocols. Adverse weather conditions in the form of rain experienced during the construction period was beyond the normal rainfall pattern and these two reasons necessitated revision of the project completion to the 10th of November 2021. The project is currently on commissioning phase. Construction of all transfer lines are complete and the lines have been commissioned. The only outstanding item is Masingwaneng Pump Station which is the main pump station supplying the entire scheme from Ntimbale Dam. Masingwaneng Pump Station was shut down from 21st to 22nd November to allow for installation of new pumps and suction line timing. The entire scheme experienced water shortage during the shutdown period. It was the temporary shutdown period. The pump station will be under commissioning from the 22nd to the 26th of November 2021. During the commissioning period, Maitengwe Wellfield also experienced downtime due to power outages which exacerbated the water shortage for Tutume Service Centre.

Both commissioning of the entire system is expected to be completed by the end of November, 2021 for beneficial use by the community. Tutume service centre under which Nkange Constituency is serviced has an allocation of six bowser trucks. Two of the bowser trucks are from the Botswana Defence Force (BDF); two of them are from Water Utilities Corporation (WUC) and two are Government trucks. One of the Government trucks recently developed a mechanical fault and has since been sent for repairs. The truck is awaiting delivery of the spare parts, therefore, only five trucks are currently available to service the centre.

Bowsing schedule does not change except in the case of a pipeline leak or power failure and in that case, bowsing is prioritised in schools and health facilities over the village tanks or within the village. The number of bowser trucks has not changed since the beginning of the year, unless in cases of repair and service of the trucks. An arrangement has been made with garages around Francistown to prioritise maintenance of these trucks considering their importance to water supply activities.

In the recent past, due to North East and Tutume Sub-District Water Supply Scheme projects, the commissioning schedule and shutdown activities, some of the bowser trucks were sent on temporary basis to assist Masunga Senior School to augment the water supply at the school after normal working hours. I thank you Mr Speaker.

DR TSHABANG: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. Minister, you are telling us that go na le breakdown…

MR SPEAKER: You are too far from your microphone.

DR TSHABANG: Honourable Minister, you are telling us that the Masingwaneng Pump Station ke yone that broke down and has caused gore go se ka ga nna le metsi by the 10th of November. If I may know, a ke pump station e ntšha kana ke e kgologolo, because this project e ntšha? Go nna le breakdown jang go simolola fela from the beginning? A re ne re rekile pumps tsa di fonkong kana jang?

Sa bobedi; you are talking about bowsers tse five tse di setseng gone kwa, but information on the ground ke gore they are not functioning tsotlhe ka bo five. Gongwe o dire investigation further Mr Minister ka gore gongwe o filwe information …go tswa fela kwa Tutume go ya go tsena kwa bo Semetwe, metsi ga a tsene sentle because

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bowsers di a tlhaela. At some point di kgona go nna three kana two, so re ne re kopa gore o eme ka dinao gore kgang e ya metsi e kgone go…ka gore tota the import of this question ke lenyora la metsi. The crisis is just too much. Batho ba tsamaya bo three to four days go sena metsi, mme fa a tla a tla bosigo. Batho ba kgona go ya go nwa metse kwa dinokeng, unhealthy water ka nako e ya COVID-19. I think gongwe Minister, this project pains people because it was supposed to be August, September, October and November go ntse go tlosolosiwa (shift) going forward. Le yone date e ga re sure gore a mme ka November re tla bona metsi. Thank you Mr Speaker.

MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Mo potsong ya ntlha, ke ne ke re kana fa re dira mo re reng ke commissioning, go simolodisa semmuso mafaratlhatlha a rona re dira ditekeletso. Re a lekeletsa gore a mme sengwe le sengwe se tsamaya sentle. Go tlwaelesegile gore fa re ntse re lekeletsa machine kana mafaratlhatlha a masha re bo re bona diphoso fale le fale, re bo re di baakanya. Ke selo se se tlwaelesegileng mo kagong kana dikagong, kana fa o dira tlhabololo ya mofuta o. Go raya gore mo re neng re ithaya re re go baakantswe, go dirilwe sentle, go ne go sa diriwa sentle. Re ne re tshwanetse gore re ye go tsaya parts tse dingwe tse re ka tlang ra di tsenya gore re tle re baakanye. Jaaka ke tlhalositse, mo bekeng e go tsentswe parts tse disha tse re dumelang gore di tlaa dira gore pump station e bereke sentle. Gape ke ne ka tlhalosa gore tlhaelo ya metsi e ne e sa dirwa fela ke gore pump station e ne e palelwa ke gore e bereke sentle. Ke tlhalositse gore le kwa Maitengwe Wellfield, kwa motsweding wa metsi go ne go na le mathata a motlakase, kwa didibeng tsa Maitengwe. Mathata a motlakase le one a ne a nna le seabe mo go reng go nne le tlhaelo ya metsi ka paka yone e.

Mo potsong ya bobedi, tota on the bowser trucks ga se tharabololo ya gore go nne le tlhaelo ya metsi. Tharabololo ya gore go nne le metsi a a lekaneng ke yone tlhabololo e e leng gore re mo go yone mo sebakeng sa gompieno, e ke tlhalositseng gore e ne e tshwanetse go fela ka September. Mme ka gore le a itse gore go ne go na le COVID-19, fa gongwe go a ne go nna le ba ba nnang le bolwetse jwa teng mo setlhopheng se se neng se batla go ya teng, ba ne ba tlamega gore ba tswale site beke kana dibeke tse pedi. Jaanong go ne ga diragala gantsintsi mo site yone e, ditiego tse di dirilweng ke mathata a bolwetse jwa COVID-19. Gape ke ne ka tlhalosa gore go ne ga nna le ditiego tse dingwe tse di

dirileng gore ka September, project e se ka ya fela. E bile ke ne ke ile teng, ga ke itse gore ke ne ke ile ka kgwedi efe, re ne re le mmogo, ke ne ka tlhalosa gore tlhabololo e e tlaa wela. Mme e tlaa wela mo nakong e, re tla e potlakela gore e wele ka bofefo jo bo kgonafalang. Ke tseela gore mo sebakeng sa gompieno re a tlhomamisa gore e tlaa wela ka November. Go raya gore beke e e tlang tlhabololo e e tlaabo e wetse, fa e le gore ga gona sepe gape se se diang gore tlhabololo e wele. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.


MR SPEAKER: Last supplementary from Honourable Moabi.

MR MOABI: Tanki Mr Speaker. Tona, ke a go utlwa ka fa o tlhalosang ka teng, tota dikgang tse tsa metsi ke tse di tshwenyang. E bile ke santse ke go utlwa o supa kana o bua ka mathata. Ke tseela gore le a itse le le lephata gore go tlaa nna le commissioning kana ditekeletso, mme fela le dirile eng ka o ne o ntse o itse gore go tlaa tlhaela metsi kana go tlaa nna le nako e diteraka di tlaa tlhokegang? Ke eng le ne le sa ithulaganya la bona gore gongwe diteraka di nna teng di le dintsi? Fa ke bua le wena Tona jaana, go utlwisa botlhoko batho ba dikgaolo tsa rona bo Masokwane, Pole, Kgare, Mosojane le Jakalas No.1 ba nwa metsi mo letamong and akanya fela batho ba a nwa metsi mo letamong mo dibakeng tse di tshwanang le tsone tse. Tona, ke a go utlwa gore o a re project e ya go fela next week, mme kana dikgang tsa gago ke tsa malatsi otlhe. Ga se lantlha Tona o bua ka next week, re tswa kgakala re ntse re bua dates di ntse di fetoga. A ko Tona gongwe o papamatse o reye batho ba dikgaolo tse tharo tse gore sentlentle next week, o raya ka di kae? Tautona maloba o ne a le gone fa mong wa rona a supa, a bua timeframe, a bua dates, dikgwedi le letsatsi. Wena Tona a ko o re fe letsatsi kana date gore batho ba Tati West ba ya go nwa metsi leng? A ko o tlhalosetse setšhaba Tona gore sentlentle metsi a ya go tla ka di kae? Ga re sa tlhole re batla bo beke e e tlang, ga re sa tlhole re batla gore end of November. Re batla o re raya o re, ka 30 tsa November re tlaabo re e nwa metsi. Ke a leboga.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister, dikgang ke tseo.

MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Nnyaa, ga ke laole diemo tse dingwe. Fa e le gore batho ba na le mathata mo tlhabololong kana mo kagong ya teng, fa e le gore mathata a teng a dirwa

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ke COVID-19 kana ke gore pula e ne e le ntsi, kana ke gore machines ga di bereke sentle, nnyaa moo ga go ka fa tlase ga taolo ya rona kana ya bone. Fa o dira tlhabololo ya mofuta o o ntseng jaana, tlhabololo e e nang le mafaratlhatlha a mantsi mo go yone, e le gore e ama dikgaolo di le nne tsa botlhophi tsa Mapalamente, e ama metse e le 52, ga go motlhofo gore sengwe le sengwe se tsamae motlhofo fela jaaka re akantse. Se re se buang ke gore, re leka bojotlhe jwa rona gore tlhabololo e e wele mme mo sebakeng sa gompieno, bontsi jwa ditshipi tsa rona mo madirelong a rona a wetse. Ke sone se ke reng mo bekeng e e tlang fa go sa nne le mathata a mangwe gape. Ga ke ka ke ka itse gore a a tlaa nna teng kana ga a tle go nna teng, mme se ke se buang ke gore, fa e le gore ga gona bothata jo bongwe gape, metsi a tlaabo a gorogile. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Minister. Let us move on to Motions.

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MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, the debate on the Motion is resuming. When the House adjourned yesterday, Honourable Dr Letsholathebe was on the floor and he is left with 37 minutes 35 seconds.

MINISTER OF TERTIARY EDUCATION, RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (DR LETSHOLATHEBE): Thank you very much Mr Speaker. Once more, thank you for giving me the opportunity. Fa re kgaogana maabane ke ne ke santse ke bua ka kgang ya temothuo; agriculture gore COVID-19 e re diretse mathata. Kana gatwe for every dark cloud, there is a silver lining. The silver lining e re e boneng ke gore Batswana ba ne ba ema ka dinao ba simolola go lema le dijwalo tse ba ntseng ba sa di leme. Kwa bo Matopi le Ditladi re bone ba lema dijwalo tse dintsi tse di feletseng e bile di sa bone mmaraka. Ke ba rotloetse ke re we need to continue on that.

Ke rotloetse le Batswana gore let us support each other. Fa o bona yo mongwe a phekile matshelonyana foo a rekisa ditamati, I prefer that re eme nokeng bone ba go nna jalo; ke gone re tlaa yang golo gongwe. Fa re ntse re ba ema nokeng, le quality ya tsone e tlaa nna e improve ka gore ba tlaa tsaya madi ao ba a dirise

go tokafatsa ditemo tsa bone. Sengwe se e leng gore ke matshwenyego ke tsone dikgang tsa lefatshe gore banana ba setse ba bone gore temothuo e na le maduo, mme ka jalo ba kgatlhegela go tsena mo go yone. There is a challenge ya lefatshe, allocation e tsaya lebaka mme le lone fela le a tlhaela.

Mr Speaker, kana kgang e tona e re nang le yone ke gore commercial farms tse di tletseng ka kwa Tati East le North East and generally le kwa Tati West, ke gone fela gore di tsere lefatshe le lotlhe. Re ne re setse re amogetse seemo. Sengwe se batho ba tleng ba nne ba mpotse ke tlhoke karabo, ke mo e leng gore dipolase tse dingwe o kare di mela maoto, mekono ya tsone e re godileng re itse gore e felela fa mme re bona o kare e mengwe e a ne e fetoga. Fa o ya kwa bo Jacklas No. 2 le Tsamaya, go na le e e leng gore re na le go sa tlhaloganya sentle gore mekono ya teng e felela fa kae. Sometimes we just need information so that we could understand, dimmepe di bewe fa. Di teng dikompone tse e leng gore ke tsa dipolase tseo, re kgone go tlhaloganya, re tlhalosetse Batswana gore fa o bona e fudugile mekono e e ya go ema fa, go ntse jalo. Fa e le gore ba ne ba tsere e se ka tshwanelo, ba busetswe morago.

MR MOABI: Elucidation. Doctor, fa o bua ka dikgang tsa lefatshe, ke tse di tshwenyang. Mo kgaolong ya rona mo North East, re santse re bona lefatshe le tserwe ke ba Tati Company, wa reng ka kgang eo Dr Letsholathebe ka lefatshe le ka gore le sa le le tsewa before 1966? Re santse re bona freehold lands e le mo diatleng tse e leng gore ga se Batswana, le kwa e leng gore beng ba teng ga re ba itse. Wa reng ka kgang yone eo Dr Letsholathebe?

DR LETSHOLATHEBE: Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke kgang e e leng gore le Tona re a tle re nne fa fatshe re bue mme go lebega Tona a na le sengwe se a se dirang gore re tle re lebalebe kgang ya go nna jalo. Land audit go lebelelwa e le gore lefatshe le le ka tswa le ntse jang. Ke sengwe se ke tlholang ke bua le Tona ka ga sone.

Ke ntse ke le mo agriculture, Integrated Support Programme for Arable Agriculture Development (ISPAAD) Mr Speaker, ke a tle ke kope thata gore a e re e dirwa jaaka ke itse gore e sekasekilwe sesha, mo bogareng jwa ngwaga o o tlang, re tlaabo re dirisa e ntšha. Ke re gongwe re se ka ra lebala kgang e ke tlholang ke e bua gore go se ka ga dirwa one size fits all, go lebelelwe kgang jaaka Mopalamente wa Tati West a bua jaana, ba re senang lefatshe gongwe re direlwe a special dispensation. Ke tsaya gore Tona ga a lebala kgang ya go nna jalo.

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Fa ke tsamaela kwa bokhutlong jwa ya agriculture, dipeo le tsone ba na le go lela ka tsone gore di tla late, ba felela ba sa dire informed decision ya gore ba ka lema eng, leng, jang. Le boraditerekere, they just want to be paid bonnyennyane jo ba bo fiwang ka nako. Le fa tota mathata ba a tle ba lele ka gore dituelo are not enough, ke sengwe se ke tlhaloganyang gore ga gona madi mme fa itsholelo e tokafala, ke kope Tona gore ke sengwe se re tshwanetseng gore re se lebalebe.

Human elephant conflict kwa kgaolong ya rona; Patayamatebele, Matopi, le Matsiloje Mr Speaker, Batswana ba iphotlhere, ditlou di sentse. Ke ne ke le kwa maloba ke ile go lebelela, border ya rona le lefatshe le re bapileng le rona, fence e makgasa. Di sentse mo e leng gore ga gona bolebego, batsadi ba tshelela mo letshogong. Ke sengwe se e leng gore gongwe I do not know really what needs to be done but we need to put our hands together. …(Interruptions)…Ke sengwe se re tshwanetseng gore re lebelele. Honourable Moabi, please check your microphone.

Ke sengwe se re tshwanetseng gore re se lebalebe, re bone gore re ka dira jang. Se feletse se dira gore le yone fence eo ga e yo, go diragala mathata, dipeterole di a utswiwa jaanong di feta ka lone lebala leo le go senang diterata.

Le metsoko, re bone ka kwano go tswetswe bojalwa le motsoko, go ne go nowa majalwa a mangwe a ke tshogetseng tšhaba ya gaetsho gore tota le malwetse ao ba tlile go tsenwa ke a go nwa majalwa a re sa tlhaloganyeng gore a ntse jang, a tswa kwa mafatsheng a re bapileng le one, a tlolela ka kwano. Ke sengwe se e leng gore ga se re robatse.

Livestock theft ke mathata fela. Kwa bo Patayamatebele le Matopi jaaka ke sa tswa go bua ba iphotlhere fela. Gongwe go lejwalejwe, se se dirwang kwa Bobirwa, let it be extended kwa kgaolong ya rona, re kgone go bona gore re ka thusiwa jang. In the meantime, the Ministry of Defence, Justice and Security gongwe o ka thusa. Beef up security fa go tla kwa police stations tse di mo kgaolong, tse di tshwanang le tse di kwa Tshesebe, Matsiloje le Tati Siding gore di kgone go mekamekana le dikgang tsa go nna jaana. Kana it becomes a problem to everybody, ga se bothata jwa rona re le kwa North East fela, ke jwa mongwe le mongwe. These things that are smuggled di felela di ile ka lefatshe la rona ka bophara. Le tsone dikoloi di a utswiwa, di bo di fete ka koo. Police stations tseo fa di ka thusiwa, tsa kgona go bona gore di ikemele gore di kgone go sireletsa lefatshe la rona.

Ke bua ka police stations ke le foo, Matsiloje Police Station, we are waiting for the ground breaking. Definitely that one we are waiting for the ground breaking, ga se e bile mo re ka reng re ka e tlosolosa ka ngwaga kana ka eng, let alone the National Development Plan (NDP), the next development plan. Seemo sa kwa ke se e leng gore ga se a ema sentle. Ke ne ke le kwa gape maloba ke ile go lebelela, go ne go na le porta camp, e bile ba e tswetse because it was now a health hazard. Tona wa Defence, ke kgang e ke nnang ke bua le wena ka yone, we are waiting for the ground breaking, we need to do that.

Ya kwa Tati Siding le yone, we need to look at that police station, re bone gore re e tokafatsa jang. Tati Siding we are talking about a village e e nang le population ya 18,000 plus, and its proximity to Francistown, crime e kwa godimo. Ke sengwe se e leng gore we need to protect the outskirts tsa lefashe la rona gore re kgone to protect the inner part. Ke kopa gore re e lebalebe kgang ya go nna jalo Mr Speaker.

Ke taboga ka nako ka le yone e a taboga, ke tsene mo kgannyeng ya beef and small stock industry, gore ke appreciate His Excellency (HE) ka kgang ya gagwe e a lekang go tokafatsa the meat quality mo lefatsheng la rona. Go lebega e le gore tota Batswana ba le bantsi ba simolola go tlhaloganya gore o ne a batla go dira eng, e bile o dira eng. Kabo ya diphoko le diphelefu, e bile mo a buang gore jaanong o feta a tsoga a tsena mo dikgomong, ke sengwe se re se amogelang e bile re se emetse ka dinao kwa kgaolong ya rona. Ke encourage banana to come on board ka gore ke sengwe se se tlaa nnang teng. E se ka ya tloga jaanong e re Botswana Meat Commission (BMC) ya kwa Francistown e bulwa, e bo e fitlhela re saletse kwa morago. Kana there was an audit e e dirilweng and go lebega e le gore there were around 7,000 sheep mo kgaolong ya rona ya North East actually, including Tati West, around 65,000 ya dipudi. Fa o lebelela gore market wa teng o re nang le one o tlhokana le dihutshane tse di kana ka eng, we are really far away from what is needed. I need to encourage the youth to come on board gore re kgone to benefit from this. Ke sengwe se e leng gore I really want to encourage banana gore ba tsene mo teng.

Kgang nngwe e ke batlang go feta ka yone; I am really impressed ka fa Batswana ba leng ready ka go dirisa technology mo go tsa temo. Ke ne ke nna ke tsamaya ke buisana le balemi, ke ne ke na le bone maloba ba bua gore we are ready. Let me encourage the Ministry

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of Agriculture gore Impala Rural Training Centre a e boelele jaaka re dumalane jaaka go simolotse, trainings tse di neng di dirwa koo a di tsene go katisiwe batho. Go se ka ga nna go lengwa fela ka kgodiso ka seatla fela, they are ready for technology, go dirisanngwe le Botswana Digital and Innovation Hub (BDIH) le ba bangwe gore Batswana ba kgone ba rutiwe ka dikgang tsa technology, kana ba batla go di dirisa mo go tsa temo ya bone. Ke sengwe se ke batlang gore ke se rotloetse.

Tsa metsi, ke ne ke batlile go bua ka one thata mme fela Motlotlegi tsala ya me Dr Tshabang le Motlotlegi Moabi, ke tsaya gore ba buile ka one mo potsong e e fetileng.

Ke sengwe se e leng gore Tona, you engage me time and again, I really appreciate that Minister, mme fela selelo sa metsi kwa ke mathata fela. We really appreciate the effort you are making, mme the biggest thing I have picked, ke communication, Batswana are very understanding people. If you communicate to them, tell them if you have a problem, tell them if you winning, they will definitely understand.

Mathata a teng ke gore e tlaa re o utlwa koloi ya Water Utilities Corporation (WUC), fa e feta e bua, e bua ka se sele. Jaanong ba a ngongorega gore nnyaa ke eng e sa fete e re bolelela ka seemo sa metsi gore go tsamaya fa kae. Kana o a itse gore the end point of every project or any event, ke gone fa go nnang dingalo teng. Encourage WUC ba buisane le Batswana. Kana short term solutions tse ke neng ke a tle ke bue ka tsone, tse ke neng ke re dijojo di tshelwe metsi, owai, go ne go le bokete fela thata, dijojo di ne di nna foo di sa tshelwe metsi. It is water under the bridge, but we really need communication Mr Minister.

Matopi le Patayamatebele ke dikgaolo tse di kwa ntlheng e nngwe ka kwa ya Francistown. Di na le mathata a gore ga di na metsi fela sentle a a connected mo the main line. They are connected mo boreholes tse di gelelang metsi mo nokeng ya Ramokgwebana. Fa dipula di na jaana, e nna mathata, ga ba kgone go bona metsi sentle. Mealo e sale e dirilwe, the longer we wait, the more expensive it becomes Mr Minister. A re lebalebe kgang e ya Matopi le Patayamatebele, re bone gore ba ka se ka ba gokelwa mo the main line gore re kgone gore re thusege.

Lefatshe ke fetile ka lone fa ke bua ka agriculture, mme I need to just really have to add onto that, it is a resource e e leng gore we need to jealously guard gore re itlhokomele. Batswana ba a lela lefatshe ka bophara,

re tlhola re bona le gone kwa Tati East. Go tsaya lebaka go aba lefatshe. Re tlaabo re bua fa, re dumalana gore nnyaa re ya go aba lefatshe ka ditsela tse dingwe tse di farologanyeng, mme kwa land boards, teme e le e sele. Gongwe Tona a re kwa re boneng gore go nna le tirisanyo mmogo, batho ba land boards ba kgone go tlhalosa sentle. The only thing we need to do is, like I said communication. In any relationship, communication is very, very important. Re ba tlhalosetse what it means being given lefatshe le le senang ditlhabololo, they will be ready for it. E se ka ya tloga e re ke tswa kwa Tati East ke le mo tseleng, e bo e re o sena go bewa setsha, o bo o mpitsa o re nnyaa, re batla ditlamelo. O kgone go tlhaloganya gore nnyaa mme fela re rile di tlaa tla fa madi a bonetse.

Waiting lists tsa teng di kwa godimo thata. Fa o tsaya bo Tati Siding le bo Matshelagabedi, because di bapile le toropo ya Francistown, di tsamaya mo go bo 5000 plus. Ke sengwe se e leng gore we need to look at it. Metse e tshwana le bo Mowana, Jackals 2 go na le bo nine years go sa abiwe ditsha. Ke sengwe se tota se thubang malwapa ka gore bana ba foo, ba palelwa ke go tswa mo malwapeng a batsadi ba bone. We should take advantage of this land management reform, re bone gore re tokafatsa jang. Le gone go thiba diphatha, go nna go buiwa ka gore go thibiwa diphatha fa gare ga metse, ke sengwe se ke bonang se le very, very slow. We need to do that.

I want to take this time also ke buisane le banana, segolobogolo, a re emiseng gore fa re fiwa ditsha, re bo re di rekisa. We cannot do that. Bonyennyane jo re nang le jone, a re bo somareleng. If it is a business plot, lets us look for strategic partners. A re batleng ba re ka berekisanang le bone, o bo o mo raya o re nnyaa, dira warehouse ya gago fa, o tseye madi a gago, o mphe bonyennyane jo ke tshelang ka jone, mme 25 years down the line o bo o mpha lefatshe la me le ditlhabololo tse di leng mo teng. That is the only way we can keep our land. We need to jealously guard against losing our land.

Ke tsamae le tsone Mr Speaker, ke tsene mo kgannyeng ya ditsela. Ke sengwe se e leng gore we cannot only complain, but we need to compliment where there is need. Ditsela tsa kwa Tati East ga se gore di maswemaswe, ke tse e leng gore di gokaganya metse e megolwane gone koo, mme fela there is a lot of need, there are some village tse di tlhokanang gore go lejwalejwe le tsone. Metse e tshwana le yone; sorry to talk about Patayamatebele gantsi, but they have a lot of needs batho ba kwa Patayamatebele. Le bo Matopi, ditsela tse

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di yang gone ka koo, ke mathata fela, re tshwanetse gore re lebalebe, re bone gore re ba thusa jang. Ditsela tsa teng kana jaaka ke ntse ke bua ka bone gore ke balemi ba ba kwa godimo, mme jaanong ba felela ba direlwa ke yone tsela eo.

Maloba I was there, I found civil servant a re ga a bolo go ema fa tseleng gone koo, a emetse bus e sa tle because tsela ya teng e senyegile, and buses ga di sa tlhole di tsamaya jaaka di ne di tlwaetse. We need to include them mo the next development plan. We are understanding a lot, re a tlhaloganya gore ga di mo plan e re leng mo go yone gompieno, but it needs to be put on the next development plan gore Batswana ba kgone gore ba thusiwe.

Ke leboge and appreciate kgang ya Tshesebe-Masunga, it was long overdue. Finally, we have started that Rre Moabi, ke tsaya gore ke sengwe se e leng gore we need to clap for, gore finally jaanong we will be connected to Masuga, ditlamelo re tlaa di bona botoka. Le ya Matsiloje Tona, a go bonwe gore le yone e a felelediwa, dikgang tse di fele. Sometimes being too soft is not okay. I know I am soft, but sometimes it is not okay. Ga re a tshwanela gore re nne re tlogela fela batho re re ke Batswana, ba dira dilo ba sa di dire sentle. Dikonteraka tsa rona fa di sa dire sentle kana di re isa kwa Dikgotlatshekelong, a go nne le melao e e gagametseng gore batho ba se ka ba tlwaela go nna ba dira dilo tsa go nna jalo. A ditshenyegelo tseo di lebisiwe ene rakonteraka yoo, gore o a bona gore o re dietse nako, jaanong madi a ile kwa godimo. If you do not do that, people will continue to do that. Ke sengwe se se ka sekeng sa re thusa ka sepe.

Tati Siding like ke ne ke bua ka population ya yone, we need a bypass to Francistown, there is a way e e leng gore re ka tsena through Gerald Estate. Ke sengwe se batho ba neng ba bua ka sone Mr Speaker.

Kgang e ke neng ke batla go feta ka yone ka bonakonyana, ke ya mining, minerals and energy. I am clapping hands for the BCL mine opening. Those are great news for people ba ba kwa kgaolong ya me. Ke sengwe se re se lebogelang fela thata, Selebi Phikwe will come back on life again. The glory days are back, gongwe se se tlaa fetelela kwa go bo Tati Nickel le bone, ka gore it is part of BCL. Le bone Tona, tiro e ntle e o e dirileng, Mopalamente wa Ramotswa, tswelela o e dire jalo le kwa Tati Nickel, gore Batswana ba kgone go bona ditiro, ba kgone go bereka. Nickel e a tlhokafala thata lefatshe ka bophara. Electric car e e dirwang lefatshe ka bophara, le rona re tloga re e dira, e tlhokana le nickel

go dira batteries. Dira re tlaa reka re dira batteries tsa electric car. The demand has gone high, let us just risk, and make sure gore we open those mines Batswana ba kgone go bona.

Solar, something which is really close to my heart, se e leng gore ga nke ke batla go tlogela go sa bua ka sone. I need also go go leboga go bo o dirile tiro e tona mo kgannyeng ya solar, Mopalamente wa Ramotswa. Finally, BPC is also taking advantage ya solar, e letlelela Batswana gore ba dirise solar. Ke sengwe se e leng gore ke se iteela diatla thata, ke se opela legofi. We need to continue to do that, we have a lot of sunshine here. Ke sengwe se e leng gore we need to take advantage of that. I am so happy that even kwa Tati Siding, sumber energy is about to produce 100 megawatts of energy from solar, and we can produce even more. Kwa mafatsheng a mangwe ba ba tlhaelelwang ke lefatshe ka e bile kwa go rona kwa le a tlhaela, they have done it in a very special way, solar panels di kgona go nna teng koo, ba bo ba kgona go jwala dijwalo tse e leng gore ga di tlhoke letsatsi le lentsi kwa tlase ga those panels. Se se feletsa se dira gore ba kgone gore ba bolae dinonyane tse pedi ka lentswe le le lengwefela. Ke sengwe se le rona re tshwanetseng go ka se lebelela.

Our shallow dams, in some other areas, they plant solar panel mo matamong a gore metsi a se ka a ba a evaporate ka tsela e a dirang ka teng. Re tlhola re bona matamo a rona gotwe a a penologa, within some few months o utlwa gotwe nnyaa, e bile ga go na metsi. Those processes can really help go tsisa motlakase, e bile gape di ntse di thusa ka se sengwe.

Sengwe se e leng gore though it is not really mine, se ke batlang go feta ka sone, ke kgang ya gore we need to engage the researchers gore tota ba tsene. Ke nna ke bua le bone mo meetings tsa me le bone gore they need to work hard gore ba dire researches ka solar panels tse di tlaa re berekelang gore re kgone gore re tiise ba BPC moko, re dire solar panels tse e leng gore they are good for our conditions.

Sengwe se ke batlang go feta ka sone ke Matsiloje Cement Plant, e e tlaa tlogang e bulwa. It is a very good development. Ke sengwe se se tlaa re thusang re le Batswana. Re bone price ya cement e ya kwa godimo fela thata. Fa e ka bulwa, e tlaa tlisa ditiro, le sone cement lefatshe ka bophara, e tlaa kgona gore e re thuse. Ke appreciate the Ministry of Trade, go bo o thusitse mo kgannyeng ya go nna jalo. Ke kile ka tsamaya le Tona wa pele wa Trade, ra ya koo go ya go nna re ntse re lebaleba, re buisana le bone. We really appreciate and we thank them for that.

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Ke feta ka health infrastructure kwa kgaolong ya rona ya Tati East, I need first before I ask, ke leboge Tona wa Health go bo a re sireleditse tota mo COVID-19. Le tsone the vaccines, rate e di neng di tla ka yone, kana in actual fact, like Honourable Molale a ne a bua, more than 80 per cent ya vaccines tse re nang le tsone mono, ke tse re di itheketseng. I think the confusion ya gore o kare re tshela ka mophako, ke gore tsa mophako ke tsone tse di tlileng pele, e bo e nna o kare jaanong re tshelela mo mephakong fela. Fela bontsi jwa the vaccines we have bought them and I need to appreciate the Minister of Health and everybody who took part into this gore you really indeed saved matshelo a batho. Se Tautona a se beileng priority ya gagwe ya ntlha ke go sireletsa matshelo a batho. O tlaa dira research, o dire development batho ba tlhokafetse, o tlaabo o di direla bomang? I need to really appreciate that.

Fela re na le seemo, go ne go santse go buiwa ka Nyangabgwe Hospital. Tona wa Health, clinics tse di dikologileng Nyangabgwe Hospital, le tsone they are struggling fela thata. The little development e re neng re e solofetse kwa kgaolong ya rona, ke upgrading ya clinics tse di tshwanang le tsa bo Jakalas No. 2, gore di ye kwa godimo, di tswe kwa health post, di nne clinics. Nothing is happening as it is, mme fela ke sengwe se ke go rotloetsang gore a re e lebalebe. Kwa Tsamaya Clinic, there is an experience e batho ba tlang kwa clinic masigo, gotwe ke 24 hours, nurse a le kgakala, ga go na boroko, ba felela ba gana go tla go thusa batho. We really need go go gakolola gore le fa o dirile tiro e ntle thata …(Inaudible)… a re lebalebe, Batswana ba batla thuso kwa ntlheng e nngwe. Ke sengwe se re se tlhokang mo go wena. Kwa Tati Siding Clinic, re kile ra ya teng, seemo sa kwa le sone se tlhoka gore se lejwalejwe.

Ke boele kwa puong ya ga Tautona, I need to talk about the Reset Agenda which we really need. Ke ntse ke tla fa ka shopping list, ke ntse ke bua ka yone gore re tlhoka se le se. Fela the Reset Agenda, ke yone e ka re thusang Mr Speaker, gore re itshekatsheke. Kana gantsi fa o utlwa re lela thata jaana, ke gore sengwe ga se tsamaye sentle. I really appreciate somebody yo o reng fa a na le bothata, a bo a re a I have a problem, fa a sa dira sentle, a bo a re I appreciate that ga ke a dira sentle. There are very few people ba ba ka rialong, mme fela lefatshe la rona ke leo, le lone la re things are not moving. We need to reset go bona gore re dira jang. Ke lebogele Tautona gore a bo a dirile kgang ya go nna jalo. Ke sengwe se re ka kgonang go itshekatsheka, we need to pause and re itshekatsheke gore fa re sa direng sentle, teng, whether o

Minister, Mopalamente kana modirelapuso, we need to do a lot. Kana le yone pina e go neng gotwe, “Masisi o a re bitsa, re a bidiwa,” e ne e se gore re biletswa go tla go nna fela. Mongwe le mongwe o ne a biletswa to come and play his own role. Fa e le gore o fiwa responsibility ya gore you become a Minister, you play your own role. Fa e le gore o biletswa gore kana you become a Member of Parliament (MP), everybody should play his own role. Fa re ka dira jalo, ke tsaya gore gongwe re ka ya golo gongwe.

Ke tsaya gore dingwe tse ke batlang go feta ka tsone, ke dilo tse di ka kgonang gore di re thuse to reset. Ka lebaka la nako, ke tlaa bua ka di le pedi fela; digitalisation, ke nngwe e ke tsayang gore it can help transform our country. Mafatshe a a nang le population e e tshwanang le tsa rona, a bo Estonia, population ya 1.4 million, a kgonne go gola, a ya go goroga kwa godimo ka yone kgang ya digitalisation. Ke sengwe se e leng gore we need to look at it, ga e tlhoke bo brick-and-mortar, six storey building. Once you have your internet, phone and laptop, you can do wonders. Ke rotloetse Batswana to take that seriously, re bone gore re ka tokafatsa lefatshe la rona jang. Ke sengwe se se ka kgonang go re ntsha kwa re leng teng, sa re isa kwa re batlang go ya teng. If we can really come on board, batsayakarolo botlhe; Basic Education le Tertiary Education, re lebelela the curriculum, re lebelela gore a mme are we teaching the kids the right things that they are supposed to be taught. Bana ba tshwanetse gore e re fela Standard 1 and 2, ba bo ba simolola go dira basic coding gore re kgone gore 10 to 15 years from now, re bo re nna le bana ba ba ka kgonang go dira dilo tse di siameng. These are some of the things that we need to look at to reset our economy, ra kgona go ya kwa pele.

Sengwe se ke batlang go feta ka sone Mr Speaker, ke kgang ya gore as we reset, we need to look at dilo tse di ka re thusang jaaka research, tse ke tlaa buang ka tsone moragonyana fa nako e santse e ntetla.

Ke tsene mo go e e latelang, ke bue ka mind-set change. Ke nngwe e ke e ratang thata, because we need to have a paradigm shift, change the way we have been doing things. Re fetole the way re ntseng re lebelela dilo ka teng, re di akanyang ka teng. Fa re ka dira jalo, re tlaa kgona gore dilo tse dintsi, tse di ntseng di re palela, re di kgone. Fa re ka se ke re dire jalo, re ya go nna le mathata. The time is now to change. Go riana re bua ka Constitutional review, that needs a sober mind in person. Go tlhokafala gore re bo re iketlile, re lebelela dilo ka pharologanyo gore re kgone go fetola the way re batlang lefatshe la rona le tshela ka teng.

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Dilo di tshwana le corruption; ke nngwe e re tshwanetseng go bua ka yone. Fela jaaka COVID-19, pele ga moeteledipele mongwe le mongwe a bua, o tshwanetse gore a bue ka COVID-19, go fitlhela e fela mo lefatsheng la rona. Corruption is one of the things I will talk about until I get out of this House. Corruption ke sengwe se se direlang lefatshe la rona mathata. The first thing we are supposed to do jaaka ke sa tswa go bua, is to accept that we have a problem. We really have a problem of corruption all over, e gongwe re tshwanetseng go bua ka yone gore re kgone go e fenya.

Re ntse re bua ka ditsela tsa bo Patayamatebele le Matopi gore ga di dirwe. Fa dilo di ne di dirwa sentle fela, mongwe le mongwe yo o filweng boikarabelo jwa gore a tshware madi a Puso, a dirisa sentle, madi a a ka bo a sala gore re kgone go ya gone koo. Jaanong mme se se supa fela gore we need to change our mind-set, the way we do things, corruption e e dirwang e fele. All those things can transform our lives.

Ministry of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology; I have been assigned by Batswana, ke nngwe e ke batlang go feta ka yone Mr Speaker, nako e ise e tšhae. United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation (UNESCO) is housed under the Ministry of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology. Ke batla gore ke tseye nako e, ke leboge Mr Speaker, gore recently I attended the UNESCO Conference, where our Ambassador yo o kwa France, Ambassador Moorad was elected mo the UNESCO Executive Board. What an achievement! Ke sengwe se Tautona a tlholang a se rera a re re se dire. Fa go ntse jalo, re ya go nna le lentswe le le botlhokwa, le le golwane fa go tla kwa dikgannyeng tsa UNESCO. Ke dingwe tse gongwe ke simolole ka tsone and congratulate the Ambassador for that. UNESCO is a very important branch ya United Nations (UN) e fa re le mo go yone, re ka kgona go dira dilo.

Fa ke tsena mo dikgannyeng tse ke lebaganeng le tsone tsa Ministry of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology, the Government of Botswana is continuing to do a good job ka go tswelela e ntse e thusa banana, e ruta banana ka go ba isa kwa dikoleng. One of the very few countries in the world, which does that. Ke sengwe se ke se lebogang e bile ke lebogele Palamente e, go bo e nna e re rebolela madi gore re kgone go dira jalo.

Ke we ka lengole gape, ke le lebogele maloba the supplementary budget. Fa mpuru a ne a faretswe, ka tla kwa go lona and you were there for me. I really want to

appreciate gore bana ba kgonne go ya kwa dikoleng, ba ile ba ba sha, ba ba tshwanetseng go ya go simolola, ba ba ntseng ba le teng, le bone ba tsweletse. Mathata fela ke gore we have others ba e leng gore we need to talk, ba re santseng re ba lebile re le ministry, ba ba paletsweng (failed). Mapalamente ka bontsintsi ba tlhola ba nteletsa ka bone. Bana ba e leng gore they have failed, ba saletswe ke dingwaga tse pedi tse tharo kana o le mongwe gore ba fetse. Ba re reng they need to continue with their studies gore ba feleletse. Problem ke gore jaanong ga ba nke ba direlwa budget sentle, o fitlhela e le gore bana bao, ba oketsega ngwaga le ngwaga. Ke sengwe se e leng gore re ntse fa fatshe, re a se lebaleba go bona gore re ka se ke re boele kwa go lona gape, re boele kwa Finance gore re kope thuso ya gore gongwe bana ba re ka ba thusa gore ba boele in the mainstream. Ga re ka ke ra kgona go tlogela bana fela ba felela mo seterateng. Ke sengwe se ke batlang gore ke reye batlogolo ba me ke re, we are still looking at it. Hopefully some money will come from somewhere gore re kgone go ba thusa.

Le Mapalamente ke appreciate gore le nna le nteletsa ka bana bao, gore I am going to assign my team to advertise re bone gore ba kae e bile ba kae (how many), ba ka tlhoka bokae gore e re re boela kwa go lona re tla go kopa, re bo re itse gore bana ba re ba kopela bokae ba le kae.

Le dikgang tsa allowance, batlogolo ba nna ba lela ka tsone ke re nnyaa, I really understand and I said this previously and I have been accused gotwe ka re Goromente o tšhonne. I will not be afraid of saying that, gore some of the students ba ba kwa universities tsa rona, tota they do not need to be paid allowance, batsadi ba tshwanetse go thusa Puso ka allowances. Puso e tswelele fela e ba duelele school fees, allowance batsadi ba thuse. …(Inaudible)… e dirwe ba ba teng ba thusiwe ka allowance e e botoka, than e ba e fiwang gompieno. Ke dumalana le bone gore ba bangwe the allowance is not enough, ke sengwe se e leng gore we need to look at, and see how we can come up with that.

Maloba re lekile go ka tokafatsa the way re ba thusang ka teng, gore go se ka ga nna le strikes. Re lekile go dirisa maranyane a ke ntseng ke bua ka one a digitalisation, le one a nna le bothata jo a nnileng le jone. Ke batla go tshephisa Ntlo e gore, we are doing a lot on that. Re a baakanya gore re se ka ra tla ra nna le bothata...

MR REGOENG: Elucidation. Good afternoon once again. Minister o buile ka kgang e nngwe e ke neng ke batla gore gongwe o ka atolola mo go yone. Kgang ya gore gongwe batsadi ba ba ikgonang fa o ntse o leka

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go kgaola costs tsa ga Goromente, ba letlelelwe gore Goromente a se ka a ba duelela bana allowance, batsadi ba bone ba tle ba ba duelele. A ga se gore mme gongwe Palamente e e re go ya pele mo nakong e khutshwane, o kope gore Tshutiso e e nne teng? So that o tle o leke go romela bana ba bantsi ka palo go ya kwa sekoleng, ka gore o tlaabo o fokoditse madi a Goromente a a duelang thata mo allowances. Thank you.

DR LETSHOLATHEBE: Thank you Mr Speaker. O nkutlwile sentle Mokwena, ke sone se ke se buang. Ke ne ke santse ke re kana re batho ba morero, ke ne ke tshwanetse go ka bo ke tsamaile le Batswana mo ngwageng o o fetileng ka ba rerisa ra buisana ka kgang e. Gore e re ke tla kwa go lona le le Palamente ke bo ke le bolelela gore nnyaa mme ke buisantse le Batswana ba riana. Ke santse ke le mo tseleng, ke tlaa ya go buisana le bone gore re tle re nnele kgang e fa fatshe. Tota ga ke bone go tlhokafala gore re tswelele re dire jaaka re dira, we need to solve some of these issues, pele ga mathata a teng a nna kwa godimo thata.

Sengwe se ke neng ke bua ka sone ke digitalisation, re dirile gore re dirise maranyane a a neng a nna le mathata, ka tla kwa go lona ka le a tlhalosetsa. Ke batla go le tshephisa gore re a lebeletse, re a baakanya kwa Department of Tertiary Education Funding (DTEF) bana ba kgone go thusiwa sentle, go sena fa letsogo la motho le tsenang teng. Kana go nna go ntse gotwe kwa DTEF go na le bana ba ba isiwang kwa dikoleng tsa ditsala tsa bone, go riana. Seo se tlaa ema ka gore ngwana o tlaa a ikopela (apply) a le kwa a leng teng, a sena ope yo o mo tsenyang dingalo gore a reng. We are looking at that, something is happening on that area. Ke sone se e leng …(Inaudible)… re se dire Mr Speaker.

Research and innovation; the engine of any developing country is now research and innovation. I really want to quote if you allow me Mr Speaker, the last paragraph mo Page 62 ya State of the Nation Address (SONA), “Furthermore, funding for knowledge production (research and development) will increase significantly from 2022/2023 onwards.” Those are good news for us re le researchers. Ke se re tshwanetseng go se dira Mr Speaker, gore economy ya rona e kgone go gola. Let us put more money on research and innovation, and let us believe in our own researchers. We have the best researchers and innovators here, it is only that sometimes they are not well supported. We do not believe in our own, ke gore fa ba re ba dirile innovations, we do not support them at an early stage, this discourages ba ba saletseng kwa morago.

Technical and Vocational Education and Training (TVET); we are looking at it right now to review it. TVET kana e tshwanetse go nna yone the enabler ya gore innovation e nne teng. Researchers fa di ntse foo di dira in their laptops, once they have a product ba nne fa fatshe le batho ba TVET ba buisane gore I have this idea, re ka e dira jang gore e kgone go sologela Batswana mosola. Ke tsaya gore TVET ke sengwe se se ka godisang lefatshe la rona. We are looking at that, dikole di santse di na le bana ba ba kwa tlase mo TVET, I have assigned my team gore we need to look at them. We need to improve on bana ba ba yang for TVET, and then really transform this country. Kana se sentsi ke gore ditswammung tsa rona le tsotlhe tse re nang le tsone, re ka kgona go di dupa botoka fa our research and innovation le TVET di tokafaditswe. Mr Speaker, ke lebogele mafoko a Tautona a re a beileng pele, ke sengwe se re se lebogelang.

Mr Speaker, I want to assure this House that we are really engaging with researchers and innovators countrywide, and they are telling me that they are ready. Fa re tla go kopa madi Mme Serame, please you have to make sure that you allocate a lot of money on that direction. Gongwe fa re ka se ka ra lebelela the big shining objects for now, just suspend them for now and then concentrate mo research and innovation. We will definitely, I am telling you, in five years from now re tlile to appreciate se. Researchers and innovators generally, ke batho who do not really talk much, they do. Give them the money, they will deliver and transform this country. Knowledge-based economy e re nnang re bua ka yone, we will see it. We want to get those who are doing research and innovation, re lapisitswe ke go nna re bona publications o utlwa gotwe motho o na le 30 publications. We want innovations, innovations about changing people’s lives. Ke batla go bona le nna botshelo jwa me bo tokafetse because of the innovation done by Batswana. Ke sengwe se re ka se kgonang if we support them, and please support them, they are there. You have done a good job as the Government, you have taught people. The people are sitting there frustrated, because they cannot get money to transform their research into a finished product. I appeal to this 12th Parliament, let us believe in our Batswana. Let us believe in those guys kwa University of Botswana (UB), Botswana International University of Science and Technology (BIUST) and we will see wonders. Le gone kwa Botswana University of Agriculture and Natural Resources (BUAN), le tlaa bona fela le dipeo tse re senang le tsone, ba tlile go tsena in the labs ba tokafatsa tse re nang le tsone gore re ye kwa pele.

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Mr Speaker, ka a le kalo once more I want to thank you and thank my colleagues for being a good audience. Ke go lebogele gore o bo o mphile nako ya gore ke buelele bahiri ba me ba kwa Tati East le ba Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology. A Modimo a le segofatse, thank you very much.

DR TSHABANG (NKANGE): Thank you Mr Speaker for giving me the opportunity to respond to the SONA by His Excellency the President, Rre Masisi.

Let me start by sending my condolences to Isaac Makwala and the entire Makwala family, having lost their father recently. Makwala is a very well-known sport individual in this country, in fact an icon by world standards. I wish to convey my condolences to him and his family. I also want to celebrate the sport persons from my constituency, who have done extremely well in the past Olympics, including Makwala himself and his colleagues who brought joy to this nation by delivering a bronze medal that made everybody happy in this country. I want to say that I am very proud of products from my constituency.

I also want to acknowledge and thank Dr Tshephang Tshube, for writing a book that would be launched very soon on Isaac Makwala’s struggles, rise and successes in athletics as a Motswana individual, making breakthroughs at the world stage. The book is called The Solo Runner, and it would be launched very soon and Honourable Members are invited and encouraged to buy for their constituents.

Mr Speaker, at this juncture I just want to say that Botswana is a troubled nation with a troubled economy, mainly because of the leadership of the Botswana Democratic Party (BDP), and with the additional impact of COVID-19.

People have become poorer, hungrier and angrier. The world rankings on Happiness Index has consistently ranked Botswana as one of the unhappiest nation in the world. That I think sums up the state of the citizens of this country except for a chosen few that have been winning COVID-19 tenders. Otherwise the country as we speak, every Motswana when they look at themselves, when they look at their personal economy ba tšhonne, ba utlwile botlhoko. As a result, we are an angry nation. Therefore, do not be surprised to see springs of matches against the current Government and against the current situation. People are hungry, they cannot keep quiet anymore Mr Speaker. I just wanted to start with that note.

First and foremost, when it comes to Nkange Constituency, I would like to thank my constituents for their support to my office as I represent them in Parliament. The past two years had been very joyful. There had been some struggles here and there mainly because of lack of delivery of projects but in terms of working relationship, I think I have a good relationship with my constituents. They advise me well. They guide me well. I also try my level best to deliver what they have sent me to deliver.

The last question that we addressed this afternoon by the Minister of Water and Sanitation, clearly shows that the constituency have struggled for a very long time with thirst. We have been trying to push Water Utilities through the Minister to try to bring the Ntimbale Dam water. You see, the agitation and the frustration gompieno ke gore, Maitengwe Wellfield is not delivering. It is not just because of the current electricity cuts, of course they are a big problem, I will talk about Botswana Power Corporation (BPC), but for now we have to understand that Maitengwe Wellfield had problems before. There have been breakdowns. There have been water leakages. We have spoken about water leakages to the ministry and to Water Utilities to no avail. The pipes that we are using are now obsolete. Some of them, are literally dead and need replacement. I think that has been the biggest problem with Maitengwe Wellfield.

Of course, now we understand that the Ntimbale Dam Water is coming, it is supposed to come end of November. The worry is that the deadline or the date of commissioning have been shifting. We do not understand the problem, but at least we will take what the Minister have just given us today that end of November, they will give us the water. In addition, he must keep in mind that we are worried because every time there is an explanation for a delay from August, September, October, November, December, January and so forth. Therefore, we plead with the Minister to step up his game when it comes to water delivery. I do not understand why this problem is only associated with North East, Tutume Sub-District Water Distribution Project while other projects re kgona go bona Tautona commissioning them. I think we need to open our eyes that probably some of these things that we are given, tota ke tsa go latlhelela. I do not want to go that way.

Still in the constituency Mr Speaker, we have problems with projects that are not coming to completion. The first one is Maitengwe Police Station, which has started in 2017 and it is supposed to have been completed

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in 2019 and even up to date, there is no insight as to when the community is going to be handed over the police station. I still do not understand the source of the problem. We have engaged the ministry, the contractor and everybody that is associated with the project but still the project is not moving. We have unearthed some findings why the project is not going on. We realised that Government supervision was very lax. There have been a laissez-faire relationship or general corrupt relationship between Government and the contractor that has caused a lot of delay. We have engaged the Minister.

Mr Matsheka knows very well that on his trip ya September, we had indicated clearly gore ka December re batla ba re neela police station but re bona a didimetse fela o kare ga go na movement. I do not know why he is just so quiet mme a re solofeditse gore he will go back to his ministry and devise a plan. This plan ya gore a tle a re tlhalosetse re le ba Maitengwe and Nkange community at large gore when is he going to deliver the project? The problem…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)…

DR TSHABANG: Rra wee! O tlaa tlhalosetsa Batswana ka police station. Ga re batle dipotso, re batla project e fela ka December. Okay, ke tlaa e tlisa as a question without notice. You have already accepted publicly.

Then, again Mr Speaker, we have another project; Tutume road has started, re na le hope ya gore it will cover even the bridges tsa Nsuswane, Nkange le any other culverts that are problematic at the moment. Le yone because of lack of supervision, Government was lax and there was problem with the project until lately when the Minister was answering a question mo Palamenteng gore “we have terminated our relationship with the current contractor.” Up to now, there is no resolution as to what happened after the termination of the contract. We are just stuck and there is no movement. Lately, I engaged the Minister and he said he will come back to me and probably devise something. Then the Permanent Secretary (PS) also tried to devise something. He even visited the bridges tsa Nsuswane le inspecting the road. He did that and he promised gore “I will come back in two weeks,” even now, we are still waiting the result of his trip and commitment to that project.

Mr Speaker, I want to raise alarm on these issues because these are monies that Government just allows to go down the drain. If we go this way, we are not going to recover

the money. We are not going to develop the economy. Dr Matsheka le fa a nyenya a le mo Palamenteng jaana, he has clearly stated when he was Minister of Finance gore he wants to deal with these issues ya gore go na le leakage of about 38 per cent ya madi mo projects tsa construction kana tenders. Therefore, I do not know what is happening now. We are just sitting and nothing is changing. I do not know what is Reset Agenda? I do not know what is the so-called Transformational Agenda fa e le gore we are still going to have so much leakages.

Mr Speaker, still in the same constituency, we have problems tsa elephants. I have raised it time again with the Minister of Elephants, let me just say that, ke ene modisa wa teng yo motona, e bile ke ene a di sireletsang gore di nne gongwe le gongwe fa di batlang teng. We are still not realising the fruits of our labour kwa masimong a rona because elephants are stealing and eating our crops. We have time and again pleaded with the Minister a re o tlaa tlisa a solution. Gompieno fa re mmotsa, o bua Sekgoa fela se se tonatona se e leng gore tota le rona re setse re ipotsa gore fa a re o tlaa tla ka a plan, e tlaa tla leng? It has been two years. Re mo State of the Nation sa boraro. Ke ipotsa gore when is that going to come? Therefore, we are urging you mmaetsho gore re simolotse go lema, pula e nele gone kwa, mme di eme fela mo diterateng, they are coming. They are waiting to destroy our fields. This time tota re ka se ke re buisane sentle.

Still with the constituency Mr Speaker, we have issues with the hospital. Tutume Primary Hospital has been dilapidated, maintenance is not being done properly, the hospital is an eyesore. We believe that we had deserved to be given proper hospital by this time. I know Assistant Minister Sethomo Lelatisitswe came to Tutume, Maitengwe and Nkange villages to announce that we will be given the hospital and I have asked Dr Matsheka if that hospital is still there. Kana gatwe madi has been transferred to his ministry. He said the money is there, but we do not know the process as it stands right now. I want to plead with Dr Matsheka that please, be transparent with the process, re kgone go bona gore where are we with the development of the hospital. We cannot afford to go another decade with that hospital e seyo, because it seems like there has been decades and decades ya promise ya this hospital. Can you be transparent and clear o tlhalosetse setšhaba gore sepatela se fa kae?

Se sengwe Mr Speaker, ke ditsela tsa bo Dagwi le Changate. I have been asking about these roads gore where are they? The only thing that we get from the

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ministry… I do not know whether Rre Segokgo does really care in his attempt to look at these things, even when he answers questions because every time he is cold-faced a bua fela gore, “there is no money, there is nothing we can do.” These roads are not part of the National Development Plan (NDP) 11, so he is not going to do anything, but we have been seeing other parts of the country ditsela di dirwa e bile di ne di se mo NDP 11, di tla di batlelwa madi di dirwa. We have seen again le tsone dikgang tsa culverts, he came clear cold-faced a re, “I do not have money to fix these culverts,” but we have seen gore kwa Fole he immediately reacted and kwa Boatle. The bridges were taken by water. We have seen him reacting, but re ipotsa gore ke eng dikgaolo di sa tshwane kwa go ene? So, re ipotsa gore what is wrong with our constituency? Is it because kana le tlhola le re ga le a tlhopha sentle? Kana mme ka 2016 when dipula tsa ga Dineo came, Domkrag ke yone e e neng e ntse e tshwere constituency. I do not know why now he is like, we are going to punish you for not voting properly. This punishment has been there. That bridge ya Nswazwi was taken by Dineo ka 2016. So, I think it is a question of Rre Segokgo not being truthful to us. He must just decide and tell the truth that I am not going to come out and do something for you.

Se sengwe Mr Speaker, kana Tutume Sub-District is big district on its own. I think where we are, we understand there was consultation and we agreed as residents of Tutume Sub-District gore a Tutume a tsholediwe to be a fully-fledged district. We are waiting for that report ya consultation to be brought to Parliament so that re kope Mapalamente ba re thuse gore Tutume be designated a fully-fledged district because the demographics di supa gore Tutume is big. Population of over 140, 000 speaks for itself. Distances tsa bo Maitengwe to Gweta of over 300, 000 speak for themselves. The language that we speak, the general dominance fela ya the Kalanga people speaks for itself. I am not saying there are no other tribes there, there are a lot of them. We are living along with other tribes with pride and good co-existence.

Mr Speaker, let me talk about Botswana Power Corporation (BPC) in the area. I think re lapile Rre Moagi ka these electrical disruptions every day, there is a report, ke pau! So, tota kwa go rona, it is no longer Botswana Power Corporation, ke Botswana Pau Corporation ka gore e nna e le pau! fela. Even as we speak today, one of the villages, Tutume, ga e na motlakase. Every day, there is a report mo leadership consultative forum ya rona gore re tlaa kgaola motlakase. Francistown e

rile dinonyane tse dingwe di thudile motlakase here and there. Rre Moagi, a o re file motlakase wa di Fong Kong? Ke eng o kare kwa go rona re beilwe ka fa mosing? Can you do something about this issue? I have sent you a lot of messages concerning your staff gone kwa Tutume. I will not reveal much about those but I want you as a Minister to stand up gore o re tlhalosetse gore tota ke eng motlakase o e nna e kete one ke wa diphera? Phefonyana fa e tla, pau! Something happens, pau! This electricity has jeorpadised developments in the constituency.

You just heard Minister Mzwinila gompieno a bua gore, “kana we cannot power up Maitengwe wellfield because of electricity.” He is blaming you gore you are the problem ...(Interruption)... So that should be clear, we need functioning and reliable electricity. So rraetsho, this ...(Interruption)... se se siameng.

Mr Speaker, we have land board issues in all the 11 villages that are under Tutume Sub-Land Board. Ever since 2013 or 2015, around there, there have not been allocations adequately covering bana le banni ba constituency and this is a worry. We do not understand why is it so when there is plenty of land. We have always advocated as the opposition gore kana the problem with the current situation ya land board is created by the Government where there is artificial shortage of land. Land is there! We have put in layers and layers of policies and legislations that make allocation of land to be difficult. The same Government will then claim that there are problems when they have created the problems. Why can we not remove the barriers and provide land? Gompieno batho ba kwala Short Message Service (SMSs) every day gore ba batla land kwa Nswazwi, Maitengwe le Dagwi. I think land board has to resolve their matters and provide land. We cannot have a constituency e e nang le waiting list ya 19, 000. That is not healthy and I understand it is not only my constituency, the whole country. So, these laws that you have made, I think we must review them. So, make sure you provide bonno.

Mr Speaker, I must say with disappointment that there have been reports tsa Tutume Sub-Land Board, that some of the officers take bribes. Those are big, very damming and strong allegations that people are making. I think the Minister or whoever is responsible for supervising these officers...

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification honourable.

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DR TSHABANG: Rra?

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Morwaeng is asking for clarification.

DR TSHABANG: Okay, let me hear him out.

MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Point of clarification. Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Motlotlegi Dr Tshabang, mabapi le batho ba o supang gore gongwe ba ka tswa ba sentse, a ga le a ba isa kwa go ba molao more so that le utlwile ka bone kana jaaka o bua gore in short you have a strong case kana the allegations are strong? A ga le a ba isa kwa batho ba mofuta oo ba isiwang teng gore le thusege?

DR TSHABANG: Okay, thank you. I think I was trying to make my case that people are complaining about Tutume Sub-Land Board, some officers are alleged to be collecting bribes and allocating land ka plans tsa bone. Some officers ba tsaya ditsha tse di neng di abilwe; go na le double allocation. Those are the allegations. People are crying. Some are coming to my office ba re, “kana ke ne ke na le setsha, number ya teng ke e, land board e tsere motho ya mo baya on top of my plot and they are moving me from pillar to post, ba re I should appeal, I have done appeal, ba re I should go to tribunal, I have done that.” The processes are too long and exhausting, they discourage people. What I am trying to say ke gore land board le yone must wake up, clean and put their house in order. Yes, of course, I have been encouraging some of them go to Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC) and report, but we know that reports tsa kwa DCEC are an investigation, they take long.

I have also alerted the land board Chairperson to take control of these matters that if people keep on complaining about this thing, it is not good. So, he has promised me to take control but I also urging the Minister to put an eye on these things.

Mr Speaker, where we are, the issue of Constitutional review is a source of concern. There has been delays and this delay ya implementation of the Constitutional review e e sa bolong go opelwa during campaigns during 2019, 2020 and 2021 is coming to an end, this delay is causing a void in the belief ya batho or the people that this thing actually will be done in good faith. I think we must be very clear that the Constitutional

review must come out clear gore what are we intending to do with the Constitutional review. This thing is not for political gain, it is for the people of this country. We want a Constitutional review e seng a Constitutional review that will benefit Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) campaign going forward. We are looking for a Constitutional review that is going to be a mainstay for the development and civil liberties of the people of this country. For now, we see BDP playing cards to its chest…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

DR TSHABANG: Tla ke wele Vice President (VP). The BDP Government is playing the cards to its chest. For example, gompieno as we speak, re ya go bona appointment of a former minister gotwe he is to going to be in a committee e e leng gore ke ya BDP to look at the Constitutional review on behalf of the BDP. Already, they are ahead of everyone. What kind of a process is this? Even before the commissioners are being appointed, BDP has appointed its own people.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Who is stopping Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC) from having their own internal …(inaudible)…

DR TSHABANG: What should be clear is that, let us be fair to each other and let us put this thing on the table. Let us appoint commissioners first …(inaudible)…with each other. This tells us that BDP is not honest, they are going to duplicate…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Who is stopping you from doing it internally kana ke gore ga le na Constitution?

DR TSHABANG: Wena o didimale. Constitutional review must be done in good faith. That is what I am asking for.


DR TSHABANG: You are hiding something.


MR SPEAKER: Honourable Dr Tshabang.

DR TSHABANG: Thank you Mr Speaker. Let me continue…

MR SPEAKER: The Vice President is asking for clarification.

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DR TSHABANG: No, I said ke tlaa mmona later, sorry Mr Speaker. What lessons have we learnt from COVID-19 pandemic as a country? We have just exited the State of Emergency period that lasted for 18 months’ e le gore the belief and the attempt was to try and curb the spread, effects and impact of the disease. What have we learnt as a country? We were caught unaware and we still exit the State of Emergency in the same state that the pandemic found us in. Right now, the Auditor General’s Report is pointing gore Botswana was ill-prepared …yes, no country was prepared, but we were supposed to look at the Public Health Act, we have not changed it. We said it had limitations. Have we changed it? No, we have not? What are we waiting for? When the pandemic start third wave, re siela gape kwa State of Emergency. State of Emergency powers have impoverished people and that is why we say, people are angry, hungry, poorer and have lost hope. Those are the effects kana manokonoko a State of Emergency, the way we managed bolwetse ka teng. There is chorus that goes around e opelwa gotwe nnyaa, fa e ne ise State of Emergency, more people would have died. That is neither here nor there. Countries like Nigeria have never had State of Emergency but the death rate numbers are almost similar to ours of about 3 000.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ka re tshwantshanya le Nigeria?

DR TSHABANG: Then gompieno wena o ipoka ka gore you have 3 000 bale have 3 000; a population of 200 million. What are you talking about, seriously? Bagaetsho, where we are, the State of Emergency has done more damage to the personal economy.

Sa bobedi, in this issue; lessons that we have learnt, Botswana Medical Resources that they deployed to fight the pandemic did not meet the World Health Organisation (WHO) standards. The Auditor General’s Report clearly picks the regulations and standards tsa bo WHO gore, in a normal situation where there is no pandemic the ratio ya nurse to patient should be one to eight; ya ngaka should be one to 1,000. Our situation in a normal situation the ratio is one nurse to 300; the ratio ya ngaka to patient is one to 2,000. We acknowledge that we are a third world country, but we should have done something when there is a pandemic, in a critical stage. In a critical care situation, the rate recommended by WHO ke one to two ya nurse, in a critical care situation, but that did not change with us. With 120 or so beds that was supposed to be of critical care during the pandemic, Botswana did not improve the situation. A lot

of lives were lost because of lack of oxygen in hospitals and ventilators, let alone the unpreparedness to buy the medicines in time. Ke utlwa re ipoka fela gore nnyaa, gone re rekile melemo, yes, we bought medicines, but they came late. Lives were lost, because melemo e tlile late. We cannot claim a high moral ground gore we were able to deliver because re rekile melemo, yes, we bought melemo late, but we should have bought it on time.


DR TSHABANG: If you are going around blaming bo Vaccines Global Access (COVAX) Facility gore nnyaa, ke bone ba ba re diileng and that hei! ba re nokile (cheated) us, no, we did not pay on time.


DR TSHABANG: Not now. When we paid melemo e bo e tla. Go supa gore had we paid on time we could have saved more lives. So there is no need to go about glossing, re ipoka re reng. We should just be humble to Batswana and say, no, gone kgang ya gore re tlisitse melemo late….(inaudible)…. is a problem.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation Honourable Member.

DR TSHABANG: …(Inaudible)…COVID ga go supe gore we have learnt the lessons, because we are not improving this current situation. We are not even attempting and we are simply saying no, we are a third world, the medical resources are generally a challenge. Oh! Rre Moswaane, just come there.

MR MOSWAANE: Honourable Member of Parliament (MP), ke ne ke go utlwa sentle, ke re jaaka o bua ka gore melemo e ne ya rekwa late, ga o lemoge maloba jalo gore we approved supplementary budget ka kgwedi ya August-September, e le gone go supang gore jaanong o kare go tlhoafaletswe melemo? Supplementary budget ya madi-madi morago ga gore go pale go rekwa melemo from April to August. A seo o a se lemoga mokaulengwe? Thank you so much.

DR TSHABANG: Thank you for alerting us and everybody gore, no, tota melemo e ne e sa rekwa before April. Re thusitswe ke supplementary budget. By the time re simolola go ntsha madi, melemo e bo e tla. Go supa gore fa re ka bo re ntshitse madi on time we could have saved…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Bo a pala boammaaruri, o a itse Never.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of correction.

DR TSHABANG: Ga gona sepe that is being corrected fa.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ee, ke a itse gore o ntshaba tota. Motho yo o senang boammaaruri ga nke a bo a batla go lebisiwa boammaaruri.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ne wa latola o re COVID-19 ga e yo, gompieno o latola o re melemo ga e rekwe. Tota o ntse o jang?

DR TSHABANG: You are disturbing me kana.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ao! Mr Speaker, tlhe a ko o kgaleme.

DR TSHABANG: The Auditor General’s Report e supa or it is just telling you…


MR SPEAKER: Ke simolola ka lona le mo rotloetsang.

DR TSHABANG: Auditor General’s Report e supa gore monies that were collected from Batswana and from the Ministry of Finance was mismanaged; the Auditor General’s Report. Wa re ke latola eng? Ke wena o latolang the Auditor General’s Report. Go kwadilwe gotwe madi have been unaccounted for, some millionaires have been created. Re ne re ntse re bua gore this State of Emergency (SoE) is going to create millionaires and we have been vindicated gore some companies di ne di fetola directorship during the COVID-19 era fa di sena go nna di fiwa tenders, which is so unethical. E bile go supa gore companies tse…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Never tlhe rra bua boammaaruri le fa gotwe madi a nyeletse.

DR TSHABANG: ...initially registered di le under Batswana and along the line, the directorship changed to foreigners or non-citizens. What does that tell you…


DR TSHABANG: So a le ganetsa Auditor General? Come out and clear o re le a mo ganetsa. Rona re bua se se tswang on report gore le jele madi.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation.

DR TSHABANG: ...(Inaudible)... bidders, le ne le ba fa madi, Auditor General’s Report is here.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation re ba feleletse.

DR TSHABANG: It is here, mongwe le mongwe o na le yone, Mopalamente mongwe le mongwe o na le yone mo cabinet ya gagwe. It is here. You cannot deny it, it is here. Jaanong gatwe re tshaba eng? This is what is in the Auditor General’s Report Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, I think when it comes to agriculture as much as we appreciate the efforts of replacing Integrated Support Programme for Arable Agriculture Development (ISPAAD) with something that will come to lure farmers and food production, we cannot ignore the fact that agriculture cannot improve without water or sufficient water. Honourable Mmolotsi brought a very noble Motion to this Parliament gore Government must consider drilling boreholes for Batswana mo masimong a bone to increase production. The Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) Government refused flatly but how are we going to reach food sufficiency and food security? How are we going to reduce import bill o sa thuse Batswana ka metsi? You cannot depend on rain-fed agriculture for decades. The plea is that you help Batswana drill boreholes, it will go a long way to help alleviate on reduced import bill. We are here because go a tura, the farming implements are very expensive and drilling boreholes for Batswana will go a long way to alleviate the situation and Batswana could go a long way to help produce food.

The beef industry Mr Speaker, especially rona kwa north and in my constituency, we are in a hopeless situation, the market is not good. Lobatse Botswana Meat Commission (BMC) is far, Maun BMC is far. We had a BMC that was closed for reasons best known to the Government. And you hear that BMC Francistown is being turned into a slaughter for small stock for the Arabian market. What solution does the Government have for our people kwa north? President was going around the country distributing diphoko, the products tsa teng re di rekisa kae? Gompieno he has started another initiative gore o a go re neela dipoo, products tsa teng re a go di rekisa kae kwa north when BMC ya Francistown e tswetswe? You are leaving our farmers in the hands of predators. As we speak, go na le millers ba tla ba raya batho ba re ke bone market somewhere, ke kopa dikgomo di le 12. Go bo go feleletsa ba tsamaya ka dikgomo tsa batho. Mangoni koga, a ku na mari a ba ka bona. Where is the Government? This issue ya gore gompieno where we are, mong wa kgomo cannot place the price on his beast is a problem. Miller will come and

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say I can buy this cow ka P2 000. The amount of money you have put in raising this cow is too much, Goromente o re latlheletse in this matter.

The issue ya ISPAAD that is coming gompieno, tractor owners are complaining about the price. You had asked them not to collect madi from the farmers, you will pay them directly, that P800 for ploughing and planting but they are complaining that the money is too little. To manage a tractor, diesel and all that stuff is very expensive. Do you not think it is the right time to review those prices?

MR MOTSAMAI: Clarification. Kana ka fa o buang ka teng, seemo se sa dikgaolo tsa kwa Bokalaka se tlhomola pelo tota. Fa o bua ka BMC gore go tswetswe, batho ga gona kwa ba rekisang teng. A tota rra golo fa, ga go tlhoke gore bogolo le boele kwa batsading le le Mapalamente otlhe a bo Francistown, le ikopanye, le ikuele gore Goromente a reng ka botsadi jo bo tlaabong jaanong bo bolawa ke tlala mme ba na le dikgomonyana kana dinamanenyana gore tota botshelo le bokamoso jwa bone ke eng? Ke a leboga.

DR TSHABANG: Thank you Opposition Whip. I think of all the Members of Parliament in the area, they have consulted their community. Fa Palamente e tswalwa, Mopalamente mongwe le mongwe o tsena mo setšhabeng o a lekodisa and these things come forth. I do not think any of our Members of Parliament is not aware of that, and anyone of us I can stand in good faith and ke ba supela gore they are concerned. Batswana botlhe in that area are concerned and they convey these issues to their Members of Parliament; the problem is the policy of the Government. Le fa o ka utlwa gotwe go na le three new private abattoirs that are going to export beef are given licences, ga re di itse, ga re itse kwa di leng teng. Gongwe Minister wa Agriculture o tlaa re fa responding to State of the Nation Address (SONA), a re tlhalosetse gore e e lebaganang Bakalaka ke efe, e e lebaganeng batho ba north, kana ga se rona fela, ke abattoir efe. Gongwe o tlaa re tlhalosetsa, a re point to that one, we will go to that one and do business with them.

Mr Speaker, kana COVID-19 has affected everyone, including the lowly paid; in fact the lowly paid have been affected. Tota we want to urge the Government right now to raise kgang ya minimum wage. The minimum wage that has been set, I think gompieno is around P1, 200, it is not enough to sustain our people. Inflation has extremely gone up while disposable income is going

down for households. Disposable income continues to shrink, salaries have remained stagnant Mr Speaker, for many years while the cost of living continues to go up. Food prices are going up, the Government is continuing to put more and more taxes in our disposable income. Re a imelwa, we are asking gore ba ba kwa tlase Mr Speaker, the minimum wage be raised. Re le Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC), we have proposed minimum wage of P3, 000. It is reasonable wage given the circumstances tsa gompieno. When disposable income e nna eroded, I think everybody knows gore go tsena lehuma. The current situation ya rona mo Botswana exacerbated by COVID-19 e tsentse lehuma mo Batswaneng, especially ba ba amogelang madi a a kwa tlase. What is the Government saying ka minimum wage?

Are we going to look away re bo re nna re oketsa ka P6.77? Re re, no, gompieno minimum wage ke P6.77 per hour. Do you think mo nakong ya gompieno an individual can live ka P1 200, renting in Gaborone, buying food, having to send money back home, and a pagama combis? Is that a practical lifestyle that you think a Motswana can live a decent life; with P1 200? That is not possible. I think the Government must take a deliberate decision to change this minimum wage. All the pointers are telling us that no, no, this is a poverty wage, it is not a living wage. Why do you have to stick? I know it is because you want to please companies. We know companies in Botswana are making a lot of money at the expense of the Botswana labour market. Most of them, le Goromente, when you go out to lure investors, they will tell you no, we have cheap labour. Cheap labour o raya Batswana. I think that mentality must come to an end.

When the President came to power, he promised the labour movement that he is going to restore the Public Service Bargaining Council. I want to ask a question to the President; why is that not materialised Your Excellency the President Dr Mokgweetsi Masisi? Tota Goromente must lead by example. If there is no bargaining council with the civil servants, what message is he saying to private companies that are not willing to allow their members to unionise?

The Government is leading by a bad example. It is setting a bad example and a bad standard. No one, the private sector is not going to be oblidged to have bargaining councils with their own employees when the Government itself is disregarding that. If the Government cannot lead on social dialogue, do you

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expect anybody to lead; do you expect the private sector to lead Mr President? That is the question. We must establish mechanisms, one of them is the bargaining council. You said Public Service Bargaining Council; mechanism to protect our workers against exploitation.

Mr Speaker, I think where we are as a country, we need to introspect. Do we have leaders or rulers? Are the BDP people happy for having leader or rulers, ba e leng gore they cannot be questioned? We are trying to question them and trying to put them mo tseleng gore no, things ga di tsamae sentle, but ba gagametse. That is why ba bangwe ba kgona go nna arrogant, ba go bolelela gore no, ga o itse go busa, ga o itse go reng. O ne o rekisa insurance two years ago, o bo o tla e re gompieno ka gore o Minister, o bo o nna arrogant mo go Never o re ga a itse go busa. I am happy with what I have, and what I have achieved. I am happy with my experience. I cannot be undermined by a simple, empty, and arrogant statement.

MR RAMOGAPI: O a raga monna letsatsi leno, ga ke go itse o ntse jaana.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Wa insurances ke ofe kante?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Never, wa re mang?

DR TSHABANG: Thank you Mr Speaker for giving me the opportunity.

MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY (MR MOAGI): Ke a leboga thata Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Le nna kwa tshimologong, ke leboge Modimo Rara, yo o re fitlhisitseng gone fa. Ke dumedise botlhe mo Ntlong e, go simolola ka wena Mr Speaker, Leader of the House, le Opposition and Fellow Members of Parliament (MPs).

Le nna ke tseye sebaka se ke akgele mo mafokong a re a beilweng pele ke Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona Masisi, mme le gone gore re leke go tsenya nama mo teng ga tse a neng a di bua, e le gore re thuse Motswana gongwe le gongwe ko a teng. Bogolo jang ka re lemoga gore re ne ra fitlhela re aperwe ke seru mo dingwageng tse di neng di feta tse, mme ka tshegofatso ya gagwe, re fano, re ne ra kgona go thusega. Ka kutlobotlhoko, re ne ra latlhegelwa ke batho ka bontsi bagarona, mme tsotlhe di ne tsa dirwa ka boeteledipele jo bo tsepameng jwa ga Tautona Masisi le ba lekoko la gagwe gore re kgone gore melemo e tle, oxygen di bonale, bodiredi le jone bo bonwe jo bo tlang go thusa gore re sekegele matshelo a batho.

Ka jalo, ke boe ke leboge thata, ke leboge fela go simolola ka boeteledipele jwa rona, ba ba neng ba di goga kwa pele, batshwarateu, frontline workers, Magosi a rona bo Kgosi, bogolo jang ke leba kwa kgaolong ya gaetsho ke leba Kgosi Mosadi Seboko, le bomonnawe botlhe Kgosi Tsetse kwa Otse; Kgosi Moilwa kwa Mogobane; Kgosi Masie kwa Taung; le bo monnabone botlhe, le bo rangwanaabone.

Ke leboge Batlotlegi Makhanselara ka go farologana ga Dikgotla tsa bone. Ke leboge botsadi ka kakaretso, banana, ba lekgotla la District Health Management Team (DHMT), ke bone ba ba neng ba ema ka matsetseleko batho ba Modimo, baruti ka go farologana mo dikerekeng, ba ba neng ba re eme nokeng. Ke leboge le batlhophi botlhe ba kgaolo le banni ba kgaolo ka kakaretso fela gore e ne ya re fa re ntse re neelwa melawana le ditaelo, ra kgona gore re tsepame, re lebe sentle. Re fano gompieno ka ntlha ya gore re ne ra dira tsotlhe tse re neng ra di neelwa, mme mongwe o e tle a bue fa e le gore o ka ntetla Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke nopole mafoko a gagwe.

MR SPEAKER: Ee, o tlaa tshwanelwa ke gore o re bolelele gore ke mang, gore ba bangwe ba tle ba itse gore ba a bona kae.

MR MOAGI: Ee rra. Ke Lee Kuan Yew, Former Prime Minister of Singapore, mme fa ke bula mafoko a gagwe a re, ke a tseeleditse ka fa ke a tseeleditseng ka teng, a re, “there will be a Botswana 50 years from now, and even a better one. To the young ones and the not so old, I say, look at the horizon, follow the rainbow and go ride it.” Golo moo ke nngwe ya ditsholofetso tse e leng gore re di lebile, tsa gore, le fa re ka tswa re raletswe ke sepe fela se e leng se ne se le manokonoko mo go rona, a re lebeng gore re fano gompieno, mme go tlaa nna le Botswana yo mongwe yo o tlaa tlang kamoso. Re tshwanetse gore re tsepame mo go tse re ikaeletseng go di dira go tokafatsa matshelo a Batswana mo Botswana.

Ntle ke sutelele mo mafokong jaaka a ne a ntse a nankolwa ke Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona, ke lebile tsetla e ya economy and employment, mme ke tlaa simolola pele bagaetsh,o ke leba mohama o motona o wa kgotetso, e leng the energy context. Ke rata ke bua ka yone ka gore fa re sena kgotetso, re sena energy, ga go na sepe se re ka se tsamaisang mo lefatsheng la rona kana mo itsholelong ya rona, ke lebile gone gore re tlhoka metlakase go tsamaisa sepe fela se re se dirang, a ke madirelo, a ke eng. Re tlhoka leokwane go tsamaisa dikoloi, le sengwe le sengwe se re tsamayang ka sone.

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Betsho, lefatshe ka bophara le mo letshitshing la mo go ka bidiwang gotwe global energy crisis. Go sa tswa go kokoanwa kwa Scotland, go ya go buisanngwa ka tse di amang yone kgotetso, tse e leng gore ke tshwanetse gore ke betle puo ya me ke lebile dikgang tse di ntseng jaana. Go ne go kokoane batho ba ka tshwara 20 000 gone koo, ba ba tsamaileng ba ya koo ka difofane, ba tshuba yone wele e gotweng re e iketlele e, re se ka ra di tshuba, go iwa gone koo.

Jaanong ba United Nations (UN), ka dipatlisiso tsa bone, ba re bolelela gore e tlaa re ka ngwaga wa 2030, a bo e le gore mogote o tlhatlogile ka 2.7 degrees (global heating). Gape ka fa re bolelelwa gore nnyaa, fokotsang gore ka 2030, at least 1.5 degrees going to net zero jaaka go etle go bolelwe. O fitlhela e le gore babina pina ba tshomarelo tikologo (climate activists), bone ga ba dumele jalo, ka gore ba dumela gore nnyaa, go ipuelwa dipuo fela, ga go bewe timelines le ditshetla tsa gore go iwa kae. Ke bua se ka gore fa go ntse go kokoanwe koo, gotwe rona ba mafatshe a a santseng a leka go tlhabologa, ka kwano mo Africa, bogolo jang, gatwe re fokotse tsotlhe tse di re thusang gore re dire itsholelo ya rona, jaaka re fetlha motlakase ka magala, re leka go dupa oil gore re tle re kgone go thusa economy ya rona. Mafatshe a matona one ga a dire jalo, ba tsweletse ba dira dilo tse ba reng re se ka ra di dira.

Gompieno gone kwa conference ya COP26, mafatshe a matona a a tshelang carbon mo teng ga loapi, a China le Russia, bo Tautona ba bone ba ne ba seyo koo. Ba ba ntshang oil e tonatona mo lefatsheng (world’s biggest oil producers), e leng Saudi Arabia, ba re bone ba ya go tswelela ba ntsha oil ya bone go fitlhelela 2060. Net zero ya bone e tlaa nna 2060. Ga ba tsamaelana le mo gotweng e bo e le 2030 jaana. Jaanong ra re, kana dilo tse, di tsenya tsebetsebe gore rona ba re lekang go iteka, ka gore gatwe dilo tse e re le fa di direga, a bo e le gore ga di babalele ope, it must be ‘just’ ka Sekgoa. Jaanong rona ke eng re tlaa tsenngwa kgobotletso gore re tle re baakanya dilo tse, gore di tle di kgone gore di se ka tsa direga?

Ke bua se ka gore mo Africa, bontsi jwa rona re fetlha motlakase ka bo oil jalojalo. Dilo tse di tshwanetse go thusa economies tsa rona, di se ka tsa babalela economy, gore re tle re kgone go thusa matshelo a rona. Conference ele e rile fela e fela, kwa America, Biden Administration, ke fa e le gore e atlarela 80 million acres mo Gulf of Mexico ya baikopedi ba ba yang go epa oil. Jaanong a la re dilo tse di siame gore Africa ene a se ka a tla tsenya letsogo mo go reng o ka thusa itsholelo ya bone gore

ba tokafatse matshelo a Batswana? So re tshwanetse re kopane re le maAfrica gore re tle re kgone go bona gore fa re ikokoantse, jaaka re na le makgotla a tshwana le bo African Continental Free Trade (AfCFTA), re ka kgona gore re gwebe mo teng ga rona re le nosi, re kgone go dirisa tse re nang le tsone go thusanya. Gore e re kgantele ga fa re timiwa madi a go tlhama ditiro ka magala a rona, a bo e le gore re ka kgona to finance ka bo African Development Bank, ka dibanka tsa rona tse di ka kwano mo Africa. Ke ne ke batla gore ke tsenye golo mo ka gore re sa tswa go supa ka policy e le neng la e fetisa, la bo la e approve le le Palamente, last session gore jaanong re tswelele, re ye go betla tse di ka re fetlhelang motlakase ka ditsela tse di farologanyeng. Nngwe ya tsone ke ya magala, e e re thusang go kgona gore re bo re nna le mo go bidiwang gotwe baseload, mo go itshegetsang fa e le gore letsatsi le setse le phirimile. Ke tsone dilo tse di re thusang bagaetsho, ke sone se ke reng, ga go motlhofo fela gore go bo gotwe kamoso o bo o setse o tlogetse magala a gago. E bile gape go na le dintlha tse dingwe tse kamoso, di ka thusang jaaka mongwe motlotlegi a ne a bua ka gore di ka dira sele le sele. Ke dumalana le ene, ke ditiro tse re tsweletseng ka tsone gore re tle re kgone, re di neele Batswana.

HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): On a point of elucidation. Thank you Honourable Minister Moagi. O e tshwere sentle, kgang e e botlhokwa. Ke solofela gore fa o tlaa kopanang le bone, batho ba ba buang dikgang tseo, go tlaa nna maswe.

Ka go rialo Mr Speaker, ke kopa gore ke supe gore mme kana dikgang tse o di buang tse, mo dikgannyeng tsotlhe tsa ditlhabololo, mafatshe a tlhabologang thatathata a Africa, a beilwe ka fa mosing. Gakere ba a itse gore ba jele diphologolo ba di feditse, ba di akotse, gompieno le bo Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) jaanong, le ditlou tse di re senyetsang mo go kanakana, ga re kgone go di laola, ga re kgone go di fokotsa. A ga se one mentality o o ntseng o bua ka one? Ke a leboga.

MR MOAGI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga VP. Ke mafoko one a tota a ke a setseng morago gore a e se ka ya re ba ba kwa moseja, ba ba dirileng dilo tsa bone ba tlhabologile, ba sena go nna ba dira jalo, a bo re ya ka bone ka gore ke pina e a binwa. A re direng se e leng sa rona, mo garona, se se tlaa re tswelang mosola. Legala la rona le lentsi, re santse re ka dira cements, paint thinners, dilo tse dintsintsi ka lone di tlaa tlhamang ditiro jaaka re ntse re lela ka go tlhama ditiro ka kwano. Ga re reye

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gore tse re nang le tsone tse di renewable jaaka letsatsi, phefo, Coal Bed Methane (CBM) le tse dingwe, go raya gore re di tlogela kwa morago. Re simolotse ka tsone, ke go bolelele gore jaaka re le mo sebakeng sa gompieno, re setse re aga plant ya 50 megawatts kwa Phikwe ya letsatsi. Go dira gore re bo re ntse re supa gore mme re tsamaela gone koo, we are transitioning to that. Jaanong golo mo go tlaa thusa matshelo a rona. Le tshwanetse go itse gore dilo tse di tla ka madi a matona, mme coal yone e santse e le madinyana a a kwa tlase. Ke sone se e tlaa reng fa re ntse re tokafaditse itsholelo ya rona, ke gone re bo re tsamaele koo.

Ke batla go bua ka ditiro tse Mr Speaker, tse di tlaa tlang ka tsone projects tse ka gore yone ya Phikwe, e tlaa tlisa at least, initially 200 jobs direct tse di tlaabong di simolola. Go na le tse dingwe tse six tse di tlaabong di tsenya marang a letsatsi lefatshe ka bophara, tse di setseng di abilwe kwa bo Shakawe, Bobonong le mafelo a mangwe. Di tlaa tlisa another 300 jobs tse di setseng di le teng. A bo e le gore at procurement stage, tse di tlaabong di neetswe batho fa ngwaga o o fela o, ke tse dingwe tse six tse di gasameng le lefatshe le, le e nngwe e e kwa Jwaneng ya 50 megawatts. Le tsone that is another 500 jobs tse re buang ka tsone. Dilo tse ke tsone tsa renewables tse re di dirang, go supegetsa batho gore fa re ntse re tsweletse ka coal ka fa, le ka fa all the other renewables, re tlaabo re ntse re tsweletse ka tsone. Ke ne ke re ke ame tseo go le kalo.

Ke supe gape gore re dira jaana, ka gore go ledilwe selelo se se ntsi thata ka Botswana Power Corporation (BPC). Bagaetsho, BPC jaaka sengwe le sengwe, se tshwanetse gore se etle se kgobokanngwa, se baakanngwa. E ne ya re fa re welwa ke seru sa COVID, go bo go raya gore madi ga a nne teng, gore re ka tswelela re dira mo gotweng maintenance ya infrastructure. Re lekile go tokafatsa gore go anamisa motlakase le go atamela kwa bathong, go nne teng jaaka substations around Greater Gaborone and elsewhere di agilwe. Jaanong kana fa o tsenya substation e ntšha, o bo o fitlhela e le gore infrastructure e nngwe e tshwana le transformers le dipale, di santse di le kwa morago, di batla madi gore re tle re di baakanye. Ke sone se re fitlhelang e le bothata jo bo diragalelang mafelo a a ntseng a bolelwa jaaka bo Honourable Tshabang ba ntse ba bua. Ga re a tsenya tlhogo mo motlhabeng bagaetsho, re tlaa batla madi ao ka ditsela tsotlhe gore re baakanye, re tle re fetlhe motlakase o o tlaa kgonang go fetlha le metsi.

Ke boa gape ke bua ka ditiro tse di tlaa tlhamiwang le meepo e mesha e e teng ka gore kana fa o tlhama ditiro tse, di ama kgaolo nngwe le nngwe mo Botswana.

Batswana ba bo ba kgona go bona ditiro. Ke raya gore fa o supa gore we are resuscitating mines tse dikgologolo jaaka bo Khoemacau le Tshukudu, o bo o tsenya tse dingwe tse disha bo Ikongwe le Karowe underground diamond, Mowana Copper ba a bula, Lerala ba a bula jaaka Honourable Modukanele a e tle botse, Premium Nickel, BK 11 kwa bo Letlhakane, Morupule Open Cast, ke go bolelela meepo e e bulwang, e botlhe ba ba itseng gore ba na le tshwanelo ya go bereka koo, ba tlaa netla. That is excess of 7 000 direct jobs tse ke di go bolelelang ka meepo otlhe e ke ntseng ke e balolola eo. A further 3 000 indirect jobs ka gore go tlaabo go go na le botlhe ba ba isang batho koo, ba apeela batho, ba isa batho ka combis, ba dira tse dintsinyana tse di teng. Ke sone se o bonang re gatelela (emphasise) gore go nne jalo.

Jaanong go feta foo, re batla gore industries tsotlhe jaanong di tlise go baakanya ditiro, ke gore di se ka tsa ntsha raw materials fela, value chain activities, di ntshe copper tubing, wires tse di dirisiwang mo dipaleng tsa phones, transformers jaaka go na le dikompone tse re setseng re di isitse kwa bo Phikwe le Mogoditshane gore di tle di thuse mo ditirong tseo. Jaaka re bua ka tsone dilo tse, re bo ya go tsena kwa Ikongwe kwa go nang le iron ores, ferrosilicon e e dirisiwang mo go tlhatsweng diteemane jalo, le sone steel se se dirisiwang gongwe le gongwe, se tlhama ditiro tse dingwe tse di ntseng jalo.

Kwa diteemaneng, cutting and polishing, go dira tools tsa diteemane, go dira jewellery ke tsone ditiro tse dingwe. All these value chain activities tse di tsweletseng mo Botswana, they can bring another 10 000 jobs tse ke ka di rurifatsang gone jaana.

Re ne re tabogile maloba, re tabogetse kwa bo Dubai, re setse re tlisitse dikompone di ka nna eight, tse di tlileng to cut gone mo. Ba mo stages tse di farologanyeng tsa gore ba simolole ditirelo tsa bone. Ke tsone ditiro tse di tlang mo ga rona moo.

Exploration kana go dupa, go tsweletse jaaka go na le manganese kwa Otse, mo kgaolong ya gaetsho, go na le manganese kwa Kanye, kwa Kgwakgwe e ba setseng ba ntse ba dirile maiteko a gore jaanong ba tlise application ya mining gore ba tle ba simolole ditiro tseo. Ke jaaka re tlhama ditiro gore Batswana ba tle ba tsene mo ditirong tseo.

Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo, mme kana dilo tse tsotlhe di batla gore go bo go na le infrastructure e e di thusang, gore di tle di tswelele di ntse di tsamaya.

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Re a itumela thata ka gore le metlakase jaaka re ntse re bua, mine wa Khoemacau o o neng o dira bogologolo o bidiwa DML, jaanong o tsamaya sentle ka gore nngwe ya dilo tse di neng di itsa gore o tsamaisiwe sentle, ke gore ba ne ba dirisa diesel go fetlha ditirelo tsa bone. Jaanong ba na le motlakase wa sennelaruri o o tlaa boang o fetela kwa Gantsi gape kwa Tshukudu, gore ditiro di nne teng. Golo mo ke infrastructure e re buang ka yone gore, let there be a strategic enabling infrastructure re tle re kgone go tlhama ditiro tse di ntseng jaana. E bile motlakase o o tlaa fetela gape kwa North West, kwa Shakawe, kwa go dupiwang iron ore kwa Xaudum, Platinum Group Metals ke ba Mount Burgess le oil and gas ke ba ReconAfrica.

Le bridges tse pedi tsa Kazungula le Mohembo, le fa gone ba bangwe bakaulengwe jaaka Honourable Leader of the Opposition le Honourable Kapinga ba re go ne go senngwa madi, nnyaa ga go a senngwa madi. Dilo tseo di tlaa thusa gore ditirelo tse di tlang meepong eo le tse di tswang di ya kwa marekisetsong, di kgone go tsamaya ka bonako jo bo rileng.

Ke leba Honourable Segokgo, tsamaya rra ke go setse morago e bile I will support you ka Mmamabula-Lephalale rail link. A e nne teng ka gore, our critical commodities jaaka bo Soda Ash le products tsa teng le legala le le tswang ka fa Medie, di ka kgona go …(Interruption)… mosepele wa go ya go tsaya …(Inaudible)… kwa Ramatlabama o bo o boa o boela gape kwa godimo, gore di tsamaye ka bonako rra.

Critical fuel storage facilities; a ke kwa Gantsi, Francistown le gone kwa Kazungula, re batla gore di nne teng. This is the critical infrastructure we are talking about, re tle re kgone go fefosa tse re batlang go di dira. Re tsenye pipeline…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa clarification Honourable Minister.

MR MOAGI: Tla ke taboge pele, le fa e le half ga ke ise ke tsene mo half, ke tlaa tla ke le bona kwa moragonyana.

Mr Speaker, another strategically located infrastructure ke ya Ramotswa border post. E bapile le tse pedi tse ditona tsa Tlokweng le Lobatse, tse re lekang to decongest them especially mo era e ya gompieno ya bo social distancing le eng. Re agile borogo jo bontle, bo ntse fela jalo bo feta di Honda Fit. Re akanye thata gore, fa re ntse re lebelela mo dingwageng tse di tlang le bo National Development Plan (NDP) 12, re ka bo

tsenya jaanong ya nna weighbridge ya diteraka. Madi a a tlaabong a dirwa mo molelwaneng oo, a tlaabo a kgona go duelela infrastructure yotlhe e e tlaabong e agilwe foo. Ke bua jaana ka gore re bone fela maloba Kazungula e sena go bulwa, letsatsi la ntlha e bo e dira P2 million. Ga ke a re gongwe kwa Ramotswa e ka dira madi a a kalo, mme e ka dira madi mangwe a e ka reng mo dikgweding tse thataro a bo a setse a kokoane a ka kgona go thusa infrastructure e e foo. A duelela bodiredi, dikoloi tsotlhe, scans le sengwe le sengwe se se tlaa nnang foo. Golo mo ke gone strategic infrastructure jaaka re bua. Batho ba ba tlaabong ba tsena foo, ba a tsena ba a tswa ka bonako, go bo go raya gore go thusa even the businesses ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Mr Speaker, fa ke bua ka ditsela, go na le bothata jwa ditsela. Fa re bua ka food security bogolo jang kwa bo Ramotswa jaana, re bua gore a ditsela di nne teng tse di ka yang kwa bo masimong, tse di ka kgonang to improve food security. Ke itumela thata ka gore go na le…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation.

MR MOAGI: Ke tlaa tla ke go neela nkgonne. Tse di ka thusang jaaka kwa bo Lesetlheng, Ratauyagae le Lenkwaneng. Re batla gore ditsela tseo di baakanngwe, batsadi ba kgone go ya masimo sentle, ba kgone go ntsha products tsa bone kwa masimo ba di ise kwa mmarakeng. Ke dilo tse re di itumelelang.

Nngwe ya infrastructures tse di ka thusang rra, ke ya digitalization, e na le diteng tsa yone tse di bidiwang bo digitalisation, innovation le development jaaka go ne go ntse go bolelwa ke Motlotlegi Letsholathebe. Golo mo ga re a tshwanela go go beela kwa thoko re tsaya gore go kgakala, e tshwanetse go nna sengwe se se gaufi ka gore se thusa gore ditirelo di tle ka pela kwa bathong, e bile di se ka tsa diega go se ka ga nna le mela e e meleele. Sengwe sa dilo tseo Rre Segokgo ke ntse ke leba wena ke gore, your internet speed, a ko re bone gore e ya reng. E ka tla e thothosela e le dipaleng mme fa e tla go tsena mo diofising go nna bonya jo bo boitshegang. O bo o fitlhela go nna le bo system down, bo eng. A dilo tseo re di avoid, re kgone go dira jalo gore re se ka ra nna le virtual meetings tse di palang. Go se ka ga nna gotwe tuelo o tlaa tla o e bona, system e santse e sa bereke. Re a bona mo mafatsheng gompieno jaana, le pampiri ga e sa tlhole e dirisiwa. Go na le mo gotweng QR codes, ke tse e leng gore menu kana services tse di fiwang koo, a sepe fela, nnyaa o beeletsa ka phone ya gago fela dilo di bo di ikwala mo go yone. Dilo tse ke tsone tse di thusang gore o se ka wa tlhola o fodile o ntse o re o batla

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se le se, o tseye information ka ditsela tse di ntseng jalo. Golo mo go thusa le ba kwa dibankeng, jaaka go na le bo Know Your Customer (KYC), Government services, kwa dipatela o fodile (in queue), ba leba fela gore nnyaa records tsa motho yo ke tse, o kgone go thusiwa. Golo mo go tlhama ditiro fa o lebelela banana, because it calls for coding and programing. Ke dilo tse banana ba di tshotseng thata mo teng ga dithutego tsa bone, ba ka itumela thata gore ba dire ka tsone. Go ya to save le ditlhare, ka gore ga re sa tlhole re ka print dilo tse dintsi, sengwe le sengwe se tlaabo se suta fela se ntse jalo.

Ke fete ka ya agriculture, ke supe jalo gore re na le bothata ka fa kgaolong, bogolo jang jwa stock theft ka re bapile le molelwane. Rre Mmusi, ka tsweetswee nna o ntse o nthusa ka masole le mapodise a gago. Fa di setse di tsamaetse ka kwa molelwaneng, go thata gore di boele kwa go beng ba tsone ka gore process ya teng e telele, ba bo ba felela ba itlhoboga. Fa re tsena ka kwa go tsa dijwalo, ba clusters ba ntse ba thusega jalo, e bile ke a ba rotloetsa gore jaanong thobo ya lona e tlaa bona market sentle. Ka gore ba ofisi ya agriculture ba rile ba tlaa nna ba tsaya dithobo tsa lona, ba bone gore ba di isa kae. Jaanong a re se ka ra itsapa lona ba Tsokwanyane, Mogobane le Lara. Le lona ba Mogobane Irrigation Scheme, lemang fela thata market o teng wa products tsa lona, le tlaa kgona jalo.

Ke fete ka ya dikole, bogolo jang thata ke lebile gore ke tshwenyega ka sekole se setona sa Moeding College. Ke tshwenyega ka botlhokatsebe jo bontsi, mme ke re batsadi a re thusaneng, because bana ba kgona go dira botlhokatsebe jo bo felelang bo tsaya matshelo a ba bangwe. Jaaka phakela jaana ke ne ke begelwa gore bana ba sekole ba kitikile yo mongwe e bile o latlhegetswe ke botshelo. Ke kopa boitshwarelo kwa batsading, mme ke re a re thusaneng dikgang tse di ntseng jaana.

Ke lebe kwa Mogobane kwa go nang le sekole se segolwane, mme ke sengwe sa dikole tse di senang fa bana ba jelang teng. Go sale go buiwa ka kgang e, ga ke itse gore bothata ke eng fela gore go nne le kitchen, fa bana ba sekole ba ka jelang teng. Go baakanngwe le mantlwana a boithomelo. Ke ne ke re ke fete ka tseo tsa dikole, ka gore ke dumela gore jaanong ka gore re na le Dikgotla meetings, re tlaa kgona go ya go di tšhotlha sentle re le mmogo.

Ke tsena mo kgannyeng ya social upliftment, ke itebaganya thata le Palamente ya motse, rural administration, kwa re bonang councils, land boards le maphata a a farologanyeng a Puso. Kana ke teng kwa

ditlhabololo di tsenang teng kwa motseng, fa re ka se ke ra go tshwara gore ke Goromente le gone, re tlile go tswelela re bereka re se mmogo. Ke bua jaana ke re re se mmogo, ka gore go a tshwenya. Ke rata gore jaaka re gogela mo go reng go tlaa nna le decentralisation le maranyane a gore dilo di dirwe ka pela, go tokafalele motsadi kwa gae. Ke bua jaana ka gore, fa o tla go bua ka dituelo bagaetsho, go tlhomola pelo. O kgona go bona motsadi fela a busiwa, motsadi yo motona gotwe nnyaa, rona ga re tshware madi, gotwe go duelwa ka dilo tsa Sekgoa. O bo o ipotsa gore tota jaanong fa motsadi a sena selo seo, a ga gona se re ka se dirang, kana go raya gore tirelo eo ga a na go e bona. Ke ne ka bona yo mongwe a palelwa ke go reka melemo ya leruo ka ntlha ya gore go ne gotwe ga go tsewe cash. Go bo go raya gore o tshwanetse gore a duele ka dilo tseo. A re diriseng tsotlhe tse di teng, bo PosoMoney, Swift, Electronic Fund Transfer (EFT), Pay2Cell, eWallet, Orange Money, tse tsotlhe a di nne teng bagaetsho re kgone go thusa batsadi ba rona. Ke bo ke boa ke lebelela lona ba Village Development Committees (VDCs), you are losing out money. Go na le kgaolo e nngwe ya gaetsho, e e leng gore nako le nako fa ke ile kwa go yone ba lela ka gore batho ga ba ba duele rent.

Kgang fa o tla go e tlhotlhomisa ga e koo, ke gore ba gana madi, gatwe ga ba a tseye. Bagaetsho, re tshwanetse ra fetoga. Mo go nnang gotwe go na le yo o tsayang madi, nnyaa, se tseye se, ga re tshware madi a ikisetse kwa bankeng. Nnyaa, a re thuseng batho. I know of one customer wa rent ya P9 000.00 mme o a tshotse ka kgwatlha a ntse jaana. Madi ao o ya go felela a a tsaya mme la re le le VDC, ga le kgone go tsaya madi a a ntseng jalo. Nnyaa, a ko re fetole ka fa re dirang ka teng. Metsi bill ya teng e tsamaya kwa go P37, 000.00. Ke ipotsa gape gore ba metsi, legale ka go ne go tilwe ba se ka ba kgaola, go raya gore go ntse jalo. Dilo tse di itsa gore re itirele re le VDC, re bo re atolosa fa re leng teng ka madi a re a bonang. Madi a VDC a a boitshega, e bile a ne a ka dira sengwe.

Jaanong dilo tsa digitisation di re thusa jaana; fa o ka lebelela, ke ntsha example e le nngwefela; go na le mohumi yo motona wa shop o bidiwa Jack Ma wa Alibaba. O na le letsatsi le lengwefela le a rekisang ka lone le gotweng single day shopping. O reka fela o le koo, a ke kwa lelwapeng, go tlaa nna go isiwa ke boraposo jalo, botsaya o a ise. Kgang e e ntseng jalo, e kgona go mo tlisetsa P38.3 billion ka letsatsi le le lengwefela la single day purchasing. Fa ke e tlisa kwa gae, re ne re bona maloba kompone ya rona ya Okavango

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Diamond Company e dira over P1 billion ka letsatsi le le lengwefela e rekisa diteemane. Dilo tse di a bereka. Ga go tlhokafale gore o bo o tla o tshotse thoto ya madi o tla koo. O tshwanetswe o bo o dirisa maranyane a a teng.

Se sengwe se se botlhoko kwa dikhanseleng se ke se bonang ke gore, le fa le ka tswa le le dikhansele tse pedi, constituencies tse pedi mo khanseleng e le nngwefela, mongwe le mongwe o batla go ithekela machine wa bone. That is a lot of wastage. Re tshwanetse re dirisanye, re kgone go adimana machinery, re kgone go dira eng. Gape se se botlhokwa ke gore, machine e re senang le yone, a re se ka ra tabogela go e reka ka gore fa o o reka, o tshwanetse o bo o reka le badiri ba yone ba le babedi. O bo o reka le ditlamelo tsa yone tse dingwe tse o senang madi a tsone. A re ithuteng gore go na le bana ba rona ba ba nang le machines e. Re hire mo go bone gore ba dire ditiro tse di mo gae, re dirisa machine ya bone, re le khansele e ba tswang mo go yone. Golo moo ke gone jaaka re atolosa itsholelo ya mo gae e e thusang banana ba. Ga re a tshwanela go lelela gore ke batla go nna le matipane ke le khansele, ke nna le dikatakata le sengwe le sengwe. Dilo tseo di batla gore o bo o na le bodiredi jwa teng, o na le bokhenekhe jwa teng, mo go senyang madi mme selo se bereka gangwefela mo ngwageng. Ke tsone dikgang tse di ntseng jalo. Re iketlele brick and mortar stuff and just go for the fit for purpose stuff.

Mr Speaker, ke rata go bua gape ka tsa sepatela. Ke leboge ba Ministry of Health and Wellness gore ba ntse ba re rerisa ka Bamalete Lutheran Hospital (BLH) ka gore e ntse e le sa mission go tswa bogologolo. Se tswa mo mission gore re se tseye as a private entity. Re ikaegile mo go Goromente gore a re thuse ka gore the district hospital bontsi jwa sone bo amogela ditirelo tse dintsi, bo di neela batho ba bantsi. Se tumile thata mo dinakong tsele ka pelegi e e masisi, e batho ba neng ba tswa kwa Maun le kae ba tla go belegela teng. Re a itumela, re a leboga thata. E se ka ya nna gone foo fela gore le na le rona ba ga Goromente, re bone re tokafatsa. This e-Health Strategy e diragale. Re se ka ra fola dilaene fa gare ga masigo le makuku a matona. Re bolawa ke dirame ka gore re bapile le molapo. Dilo di ne di ka dirwa ka maranyane fela o tsenya leina kana nomoro ya motho, e bo e go neela history, o mo kwadisa, a feta.

Ke kopa gape gore mo thusong ya lona, a go tsene mo re go bitsang re re critical care equipment e e thusang, e bile e a batlega mo key primary hospitals. Dilo di tshwana le dialysis machines, cardio equipment, oxygen concentrators le Pressure Swing Absorption (PSA)

oxygen plants. Ke bua jaana ka gore re tlhatswa kwa Marina, mme go mela e meleele, e netla. Fa re ka dira gore machine ya dialysis e tsamae mo district hospitals, e ka fokotsa mesuke, e thusa thata.

Ke kgona go bona ambulances di tletse kwa Central Medical Stores (CMS). Fa o botsa gatwe ga di na malao, ga di na eng mo teng. Bagaetsho, re thuseng ka dilo tse di ye kwa dikgaolong. Go botoka go nna le ambulance e e senang malao, e sena eng, e tlaa tsaya batho. Go tlaa dirisiwa bolao jo bo bogologolo jo bo tswang mo ambulance e e senyegileng bo tsenngwa go ya go tsaya molwetse kwa Sakutswane le Llareng go na le gore ambulances di bo di tletse kwa CMS gotwe ga di ise di nne le equipment. A re thusanyeng batsadi, dilo tse di thuse bagarona.

Re lebelele gore kgaolo e godile jaanong, over 47 000 people. O ya kwa Metsimaswaane, Mogobane le Otse, a clinics tsa teng di nne fully equipped. Di nne le maternity centres, di bereke bosigo jotlhe, 24 hours to relieve congestion kwa BLH. Ke dingwe tsa dilo tse ke di kopang fa re ntse jalo. Staff which is seconded there se tswa mo go Goromente bagaetsho, a se tle ka bonako ba re thuse. Go nne le psychosocial support, re se ka ra baya fela mo go Chaplain ka gore o tlaa ntsha special support. Re batla further psychosocial support.

Re leboge thata ka re na le outreach clinics tse di mo masimo jaaka kwa Ratauyagae, Lenkwana le Lesetlheng. Ke leboge Rre Mmusi Ramosako. Ke mogwebi yo o ikemetseng, yo o neng a tsaya ditsompelo tsa gagwe a ya go re tokafaletsa clinics tse. Ga re di dirise fela e le clinics, re di dirisa gape mo meetings tse di tshwanang le tsa VDC, fa go hirelwa Ipelegeng kana go dirwa jang. Re a go leboga rra. Tswelela jalo o ngokele ba bangwe ba ba tlaa thusang gore re ye go tlhabolola tse dingwe tse re iseng re fitlhelele kwa go tsone.

Mr Speaker, constituency ya me is housing institutions tse dintsi tse di nang le banalebogole. Ke itumelele thata gore we have acceded to the Convention on the Rights of People Living with Disabilities. Palamente adopted the Revised National Policy on Disability. Re a itumela, mme a re potlake gore tsotlhe tse re neng re di dumela mo teng di diragalele yo o kwa Rankoromane, Thuto Boswa, Mokgosi, Ramotswa Secondary School Special Education, School for the Deaf le Sedia ka ditsela tse di ntseng jalo. Ba tshotse batho ba ba tswang Botswana oo otlhe. Ba gorogela mo Ramotswa go dira jalo. A re ba thuse ka gore curriculum ya bone e lebagantswe le batho ba e leng gore are challenged academically, ba sa tshwane le ngwana mongwe le mongwe.

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Ke bo ke bua ka ditiro tsa banana tse ke bonang di le teng di le dintsi tsa agribusiness le tourism kwa ga rona. Maloba re ne re bula ditanka tsa metsi kwa Boatle. Mo jarateng e e boitshegang, go na le lefelo le le sa dirisiwang. Go bo go nna le tamo e e tsayang metsi a a tsenang koo, a a tswang mo plant gotwe ke waste water. Metsi a gatwe a siame, a ka dirisediwa horticulture. Re buisantse le bone gore ba tlaa adima banana ba ba tlhaga mo horticulture gore ba ye go dira temo ya merogo gone moo, ba tsaya metsi a. Ke itumela thata. Ke leboge ba Water Utilities gore ba re dumeletse go dira jalo. Dipuisano di tsweletse gore banana ba ye go tsena kwa plant e e kwa Boatle ba leme. Metsi, lefatshe le market di teng. Golo moo go a itumedisa thata.

Ke ba rotloetsa gore ba se ka ba nyatsa VDC le Development Trusts tse di mo metseng. Ba tsene mo go tsone ka gore ke lebile se; fa o ka lebelela metse e yotlhe e e mo ga Ramotswa; Otse, Mogobane le Taung e na le ditamo. Re bona batho ba tswa kwa Gaborone, Lobatse, Palapye ba tla koo ka dikoloi tse di ditlhogo pedi ba tla go tsenya maoto mo metsing. Ke teng kwa banana ba ka dirang eco-tourism, ba tsenya dikuta tse di fa tse di tabogang mo metsing, zip lines; ba tswa kwa mantsweng ba relela jaana ka dilo tseo and boat cruises. Ba ka dira jalo fela fa ba babaletse tikologo. Ba tlaa letlwa sentle ke Magosi and trusts. Ba kgona go simolola businesses tse di ntseng jaana. E bile ba ka tsenya maranyane a bone a Apps, bookings done through Apps, go bo go duelwa gape ka maranyane. Ba bo ba itirela madi, ba dira dilo tse di ntseng jalo.

Go na le ditshono tsa go tsaya dinepe ka videos and drones. Ke maranyane a re buang ka one gompieno kwa Dipopolereng, Manyelanong, Segoro le Baratani ka ditiro tse di ntseng jang. E bile jobs tse dingwe ke bone ba transportation, catering, mobile communications, hospitality, kwa batho ba tlaa lalang teng fa e le gore ga ba batle go kgweetsa masigo.

Dilo tse di tshwanetse gore di nne teng, creative arts ba bo ba tsena gone foo ba ba tlaabong ba tlosa batho ba bodutu, ba ba leletsa, ba ba direla drama le stage shows. Dilo tse re a di bona, di a direga. Fa e le gore ga di yo koo, ba ka atumela kwa bo Tashy’s, Khudire le Garden 45 ba ya go bona dilo tse. Ke rotloetsa banana gore a ba tsene mo dilong tse di ntseng jaana.

Ke tabogela mo go ya metsi Mr Speaker. Metsi ke konokono ya botshelo, mme e bile a a tlhokega gongwe le gongwe. Re itumelele Motlotlegi Rraetsho gore a bo a buletse paakanyo le tiro ya metsi e e tlaabong e ralala

lefatshe go tswa kwa Masama, e feta ka bo Ramotswa, e fetela kwa borwa kwa bo Goodhope. Ga ne re nwe kwa bo Magope, Metsimaswaane, Otse North, Sepitswana, Makolobotho, Seuwane le Borotsi rra. Ke re re thuse ka metsi ao gore re tle re kgone go babalela batho ba gago. Gape le gone re kgone go a atumetsa kwa matlong a bone gore re tle re kgone go ba sieela.

Ke bolelele ba Water Utilities gore 40 per cent wa metsi o latlhega ka pipes tse di kgologolo. A e re o dira budget ngwaga le ngwaga, budget gore pipes tse di kgologolo di fetolwe ka gore fa o tsenya machines e metonatona e e tlhatswang metsi jaana le pipes tse di kima, di ya go fitlhela go bodile kwa e bo e le gore metsi a felela fa fatshe re bo re ntse re sa nwe. Ke re re dire jalo.

Ke bo ke latela ba Lands gape. Go builwe thata ka kgang e gore a ko re ntsheng ditsha re di neele batho. Ga go sa tlhole go tlaa nna le seipato sepe jaanong. A ditsha tse di kwa Seuwane tse di fetang 3, 200 di neelwe batho ba di age ba kgone gore ba itshetse. Tse di 110 tse di kwa Ga-Marete le tse di 120 tse di kwa Magope a di dirwe jalo di neelwe batho. Kwa Mogagabe...

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Gatweng rra?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Wa re tse di kwa ga mang?

MR MOAGI: Mme gape ke gakolole gore kana ditsha di ajwa ke Physical Planning, o tlaa fitlhela re nnetse thata kwa land board. Sengwe le sengwe go simolola ka basic layout, plan le allocation, ke Physical Planning. Gongwe nako e tsile ya gore jaanong bodiredi bo ntsifadiwe ka kwa khanseleng, land board kana yone ke go ya go supetsa fela gore o beilwe fa kae. Jaanong ke re dilo tse a re di sekasekeng, di se ka tsa re tlhabisa ditlhong.

Fa e le gore re imeditse land board tiro, a re e thuseng ka tsela e e ntseng jalo re tle re kgone go neela batho ba garona ditsha mme e bile re sa emele ditsha to be serviced.

Ke tabogele mo go ya sustainable environment gore re ntse re a rotloetsa gore bodiri jwa rona bo dirise ditswa merakeng kana mo go ka bidiwang gotwe bo agro-waste; sengwe le sengwe se se latlhwang kwa masimo kana kwa merakeng gore re tle re kgone go fetlha motlakase ka ditsela tse di farologanyeng jaaka tsa bo bio-gas le bio-fuel, tse di dirisiwang ka tsela e e ntseng jalo. Batho ba teng, bana ba rona ba ithutuntsha mo bo Tswelelopele, Vocational Training Centres (VTCs) le

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brigades gore ba kgone go aga matlo ao, a a atlarelang gas eo a bo a kgona go tshuba a apaya. Re a bona le kwa bo Otse go teng. Tsenang gone koo le bone ditsela tse di ntseng jalo.

Re tlaa tswelela re ntse re sekaseka gore oil le gas re ka di bona kae, as long as re sa kgotlele tikologo kana sepe se se foo; a ke batho kana diphologolo.

Mr Speaker, fa re bua ka governance, peace and security, re bua kgangkgolo e tona e e mo maitlamong a rona re le ba ga Domkrag a gore re sekaseke Constitution. Ke dumalana thata le yone e bile ka re nakokgolo ke eno. Ke ne ke kopa gore e tshwanetse ya nna sengwe se se akaretsang mongwe le mongwe, bogolo thata jang banana ka gore se gantsi ba ka ya kwa Kgotleng. E ne ya re ke ntse ke dupa mo ka bona computer application e e bidiwang gotwe V-Taiwan. Ke gore e sebogo sa Kgotla system fela mo mongwe le mongwe a ka tsisang dikakanyo tsa gagwe le sepe se a se akanyang ka gotwe, ‘mmualebe o bua la gagwe gore monalentle a tle a le rotole.’ Ke nngwe ya di-app tse ba commission kana bape fela ba ba tlaabong ba setse kgang e morago, ba tshwanetse ba bone gore ba a e tsisa. Constitutional Review ga e reye rona ba re leng mo Botswana fela ba re ka yang Kgotla meeting. E raya le bone ba ba kwa ntle mme e le Batswana ba na le kgatlhego gore ba re neele tse ba di akanyang re tle re kgone go buisanya le bone. Golo mo ga go amogana mafoko go monate ka gore mongwe le mongwe e tlaa re kgabagare o bo o re nnyaa mme la gago le ne la utlwala rra, le lone le tsene.

Ke bue gape ke re rra re a bona gore go na le crime e e tseneletseng thata. Re a bo re ne re sa tswa go bona maabanyane jaana mo Taung mo kgaolong ya gaetsho e le gore bana bangwe ba felelwa ke botshelo gone foo ka ntlha ya dikgang tse di ntseng jaana. Ga go monate mo go bone le ba malwapa a bone gore ba bo ba latlhegetswe ke botshelo. Equally, ga go monate le bone ba e leng gore hampore ba latlhegelwa ke botshelo, ba ba neng ba le mo tiragalong e e ntseng jalo. Ke re a dilo tse re nne re di bua le kwa malwapeng le gongwe le gongwe kwa re kopanelang teng gore re tle kgone go fokotsa dilo tse ka gore ga go monate go bona mongwe a latlhegelwa ke botshelo ka ntlha ya tse di diragalang.

Jaanong fa go sena sepe se se tokafalang, batho ba tshwanetse gore ba itshireletse le ba bangwe. Ke sone se se tlaa tswelelang se dirwa. Motho o ka botsa gore jaanong moatlhodi e tlaa nna mang gone foo, molao ke one o tlaa nnang moatlhodi. Re ne re sa batle gore dilo tse di bo di nna jalo di kgoreletsa tsamaiso e re e

itseng ya ledula mo teng ga tsamaiso ya ga rona. Ke ne ke re mongwe o ne a batlile go bua sengwe ke eme two minutes ka bonako fa a santse a le teng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke teng rraetsho.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Tanki Tona, o file nna gakere?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Tanki Minister, a o ne o sa reye nna?

MR MOAGI: Go bua Mr Speaker tlhe batho. Mongwe le mongwe a tseye 20 seconds foo.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Leuwe.

MR LEUWE: Point of clarification. Thank you Mr Speaker, ke a leboga Tona. Ke ntse ke go reeditse thata o lekodisa o tsamaya le ka motlakase o bo o ya go tsena le kwa bo Okavango. A fa o ne o ntse o lekodisa jalo, a ga go botlhokwa gore gongwe o fete le ka dikgang tsa bo Tsetseng go supa gore lephata la gago rraetsho tota le nonofile? O ntse o lekodisa le ka meepo mongwame. Ke leboga thata, gongwe o lekodise le ka surveys tse re ntseng re di bona di diragala kwa kgaolong ya Takatokwane gore tsone di bokgakala bo kae gore ba Takatokwane ba ye go boelwa le bone mo meepong eo? Ke a leboga Tona.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Kekgonegile.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Point of clarification. Tanki. Tona, ke utlwile o bua ka magala. Re sa tswa go isa Mapalamente kwa Scotland maloba go buiwa ka climate change, naare dikgang tse pedi tse tsa magala, ke tsaya gore o raya go epa coal, o nyalanya jang coal le climate change? Tanki.

MR MOAGI: Thank you. Motsamai. E tsamaya fa kae nako foo Mr Speaker?

MR SPEAKER: You are left with two minutes.

MR MOTSAMAI: Point of clarification. Mma ke dire ka boripana fela ke re rraetsho a mme fa o ntse o bua jaana ka meepo e le e bulang, a le etse tlhoko thata tshireletsego ya babereki le beng gae, gore ba tlaa boelwa ke eng jaaka go na le meepo e e bulwang go tsweng foo e bo e le gore re bona tse di isiwang (supplied) mo meepong di tswa kgakala jaaka bo nama, mašhi jalojalo? Ke a leboga.

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MR MOAGI: Thank you. Mma ke taboge le tsone Mr Speaker. Tsetseng rra, e tlaa re mo bekeng e e tlang kana leng fela, pele ga go ya kgakala, ke bo ke na le wena re ya go tshuba Tsetseng. Re setse re baakantse bontsi jwa dilo tsa teng le metse e mengwe e e neng e ntse e saletse kwa morago, bo Molete le bo Tsonyane, re tlaa ya kwa go yone re ya go e tshuba.

Rra, magala; ke sone se ke neng ke bua ke re kana re tlaa tsiediwa ke batho, ba jele magala le oil tsa bone, jaanong ba re emisang kamoso. Nnyaa, le bone kwa bokopanong joo, go na le lefoko le le tona le le reng “it must be just,” ke gore e se ka ya baya yo o ikaegileng ka legala leo kana ka oil eo mo mosing gotwe wena tlogela moo. Go bo raya gore o aramela jaana, o boela mo legageng, ga go na se se go tshubelang kana se se go direlang sepe. You must transition. Ke gore o sute jalo ka iketlo o ntse o sa babalele itsholelo ya gago ka gore fa gotwe emisa coal mo Botswana, go tewa gore ga re na motlakase o o santseng o ntse o re babalela gompieno. Re tshwanetse gore re tshube pele ka marang a letsatsi, diphefo le coalbed methane, mme re ntse re lebile gore re tlaa kgona gore re ipabalele ka coal e e ntseng jalo.

Rra, ke re meepo eo re bua le yone gore a re ba ntse ba bitsa batho bao, beng gae ba bo ba na le serwe fela se se tona, including le gore ba nne le seabe mo meepong e e ntseng jalo.

Golo mo ke tlaa tswelela ke ntse ke eme ka dinao le bagaetsho gore re emelele gore Batswana ba bone ditiro, ditirelo, e bile e nne bone ba dirang ditirelo tseo, ka gore e tlaa re fa go sa nne jalo, re tla emisa fela jaaka re ne ra emisa kwa Majwe Cut 9.

MR MOAGI: Jaanong kwa bofelong Rra, ke leboge thata ka gore ga ke a di fitlhelela tsotlhe tsa gaetsho, ke leboge gape bone bo frontline workers. Ke leboge botlhe bogolo jang ba kgaolo ya gaetsho ba re neng ra kokoana gore re dilo tse, mme re solofela gore e tlaa re jaanong ka gore re tsena mo Keresemoseng re kgone go buisana sentle ka meetings tsa rona di letleletswe, mme re tokafatse itsholelo. Nnang le Keresemose e e monate, ke a leboga Mr Speaker. A Modimo a bakwe!

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Minister. Honourable Greeff.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, ke ne ke kopile go tsena fa go honourable…

MR GREEFF (GABORONE BONNINGTON SOUTH): Ke a leboga Honourable Speaker go bo le nna o mphile sebaka se gore ke nne le tshwaelo mo

molaetseng wa tekodiso setšhaba o re neng re o bewa pele ke Motlotlegi Tautona maloba. Ke batla gore ke leboge Jehofa gore o santse a re babaletse, a re beile mo botshelong mo dinakong tse di thata tse, re raletseng diemo tse di thata tsa digajaja tse di tshwanang le bo COVID-19. Mr Speaker, ke batla go tsaya sebaka se gape go lemoga ba malwapa a a latlhegetsweng ke masika ka ntata ya bolwetse jo jwa COVID, gore Modimo a ba gomotse, a bo a nne le bone. A mewa ya botlhe ba ba re tlogetseng e robale ka kagiso.

Mr Speaker, ke batla go tsena fela ka tlhamalalo mo dikgannyeng tse di amang Kgaolo ya me ya Gaborone Bonnington South, ke itebagantse thata le Lephata le la Local Government. Ke simolole fela ka go leboga bone ba Local Government gore e rile ngwaga o ra nna lesego la gore re bone go agelwa primary school kwa Ward e nngwe e e bidiwang Marulamantsi kana Phase 4 e tiro ya teng…

LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Point of procedure, Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Procedure, VP.

MR TSOGWANE: Mr Speaker, I seek your indulgence. There is a little bit of a problem here. I am not regulating who should speak. It is the duty of the Chief Whip, but unfortunately there is a Minister who is supposed to leave by today; the Minister of Foreign Affairs. My understanding was that he will be given a slot before any of our members who were supposed to speak. I am not so sure whether that communication reached you Mr Speaker, but it is going to be a problem because by the time he returns, I think maybe this debate would be over. I do not know at this point what kind of intervention can be made and an apology be tendered, because Greeff who is holding the floor now has already started. This should have been hinted by the Chief Whip. I am a bit concerned and worried about that state of affairs and very much…(inaudible)…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke dikgang tsa Domkrag. O re jela nako ka dikgang tsa Domkrag.


MR TSOGWANE: …(Inaudible)…I seek your indulgence.

MR SPEAKER: The communication which I got, allegedly from the BDP Whip was a request that Honourable Kereng be swapped with Honourable

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Kwape, which meant that Honourable Kwape will move from number 41 to number 30 on your list and that did not affect where Honourable Greeff is.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A re tswelele Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: That is not procedure Mr Speaker. We cannot waste time with BDP line-up.

MR SPEAKER: There is no issue of procedure; the floor is given to Greeff. Honourable Greeff.

MR GREEFF: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke ka bo ke mo sutetse gone fa ba ne ba buile pele. Jaanong ke ne ke santse ke bua Mr Speaker gore ke leboga ba Local Government ka go re agela sekole kwa Marulamantsi Phase 4, e tiro ya teng re neng re e simolodisa maloba le Mothusa Tona Modukanele. E bile e le Tona wa ntlha go etela kgaolo ya rona ya Bonnington South since 2011. Sekole se se tlaa bulwa go ya ka ditsholofetso tsa ba khansele, ka 2023. Ke sekole sa primary, se e rileng nako e fela fa ke simolola ke tsena mo Palamenteng mo ka lela thata ka sone ke se kopa mo go ba Local Government, mme ke se ke lebogang gore re bo re se bone mo letsatsing la gompieno.

Mr Speaker, tla ke leboge gape le ditlhabololo tse Puso ya rona e di dirang ka fa tlase ga lephata la ga Rre Segokgo le la Local Government la interchanges le additional lanes tse di dirwang mo Gaborone, mme bontsi jwa tsone di le mo Kgaolong ya rona ya Gaborone Bonnington South. Golo mo re a go leboga. Re lebogele gape le diroboto; go bo go tsenngwa diroboto tsa gompieno tsa mafaratlhatlha, the intelligent robots, tse di yang go thusa go laola traffic ka maranyane. E tlaa re mo nakong e e tlang re bo re sa tlhole re bona mapodise a eme mo ditseleng ba hema gas e e tswang mo dikoloing tse. Re leboge gape le tsela Mr Speaker e e neng e sa nna sentle, e le dikhuti e ralala Kgaolwana e ya Gaborone Bonnington South ya Phase 4 kwa Marulamantsi, gore le yone ba ne ba e tsibogela fa ba ntse ba reeditse selelo sa rona. Ba re thusa gore tsela eo e kgone go dirwa ka go tshelwa fa godimo gore dikhuti di kategele.

Mr Speaker, fa go ntse jalo ke a re ke tseye sebaka se gape ke kope ba Local Government gore nako e gorogile kana nako ga e a bolo go feta gore ka go gola ga Gaborone, population ya teng le yone e oketsegile, re nne le two administrative authorities gore ditiro tse tsa khansele di kgone go kgaoganngwa sentle, di tsamae sentle, gore dikgaolo tsa rona di kgone go bona thuso ka pela, le

go tlamelwa ka pela. Ke kopa gore ba tsibogele kgang e. Gaborone o motona, o godile, re setse re na le wards di le 30 jaaka ke bua jaana. Re na le constituencies tse five, jaanong go nna le khansele e e one, e okamelwa ke motho yo o one, maphata mangwe le mangwe kwa khanseleng go bo go okametse motho a le mongwe fela, go dira gore tiro e nne bokete. Dithuso re di bona ka bokete.

Mr Speaker, gape ke batla go kopa ba Local Government gore go na le kgang ya matlhotlhapelo e ke eletsang gore gongwe ba ka e tsibogela ka pele. Re na le mathata kwa Kgaolong ya rona ya Gaborone Bonnington South a a dirwang ke go tlhoka storm water drainage system. Kgang e Mr Speaker, fa o ka tsamaya le dikgaolo tsotlhe mo Gaborone o ya go fitlhela e le gore ke rona, kana ke kgaolo ya me e e ka fa mosing ka lebaka la go tlhoka mesele e e ntshang metsi mo motseng. Fa o ka tsena kwa kgaolong ya rona ya Phase 4, Kgale View, Difetlhamolelo, Mosekangwetsi, Bophirima, kana mo Morula pula e na, o tlaa tlhomoga pelo e le gore metsi a eme, ga gona kwa a ka yang teng. A ema mo dijarateng, a bo a felela a tsenelela le batho mo ntlong.

Fa dipula di dira jaana, re kopa masole le mapodise, ba tla ka dikoloi tse ditona go tla go goga metsi a. Go tsaya malatsi a le bo four or five metsi a ntse a thibeletse mo matlong a batho, a ba senyetsa dithoto tse ba di rekileng ka madi a mantsi. Lebaka legolo e le gore ga gona le fa e le moselenyana, bogolo jang thata kwa Phase 4, kwa go neng go na le mogobe teng. Pula fa e na, metsi a kgokologa otlhe kwa godimo a fologela kwa go neng go le mogobe teng. Jaanong batho ba ba foo ba mo mathateng a a seng kana ka sepe. Jaaka dipula di tsamaela gone jaana, re a bo re nna fela re tshogile.

Mr Speaker, re na le ditsela tse di tshetsweng sekontere, tse di ralalang wards tsa rona mo dikgaolong, tse gompieno jaana di onetseng. Ke dikhutikhuti fela mo teng, di senya dikoloi tsa rona. Le tsone ke re ke kope gore tlhe a ko ba re thuse, ditsela tse di ye go baakanngwa.

Internal roads Mr Speaker, ke mathata fela a matona mo kgaolong ya rona, e bile o kare ga re mo toropong. Re gaisiwa fela ke dikgaolo tse dingwe tse re tlholang re tsamaya mo go tsone mo Botswana, re bona gore internal roads ke ntletsentletse fela go diriwa sengwe. Jaanong ke kope le gone fa gore ba Local Government ba re lebe ka leitlho la kutlwelo botlhoko, ba ye go re thusa, ditsela tse a ko di nne paved.

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Mr Speaker, re na le kgang ya dipone kwa Kgaolong ya rona ya Gaborone Bonnington South, e e re tshidisetsang mo mathateng a matona. Kgaolo ya rona e aparetswe ke lefifi le letona. E kile ya re fa ke tsena gone mo Palamenteng ke ntse ke lela ka kgang e, ka bolelelwa ke ba Khansele ya Gaborone gore go ne go neetswe company nngwe tender ya go tsenya dipone gone mo Gaborone Bonnington South le Gaborone otlhe. Company e e ne e neelwa madi a a kana ka P10 million kgwedi le kgwedi. E tsere madi ao e jele, jaanong kwa kgaolong ya rona re santse re lela ka lefifi mme madi a dule. O bo o ipotsa gore jaanong fa madi a dule jaana gotwe kgang ya teng go a sekwa, rona re ba ga mang mo lefifing le le kanakana.

Mr Speaker, maloba fa ke ntse ke buisa diphuthego mo Kgaolong ya Gaborone Bonnington South, ke ne ka kopana le bagolo, bagodi le banana mme bagolo ba nkopile gore ke kope Tona Morwaeng gore mongwame, a ko o ba utlwele botlhoko ka gore go na le madi a bagodi ba a amogelang, a ba a neelwang ba le 65 years old. Jaanong ba kopile Tona Morwaeng gore kana ga se botlhe ba ba nang le pensions, ba bangwe ba na le tsone, ba bangwe ga ba na tsone. Jaanong gape fa motho a setse a le 60 years, ga gona gope kwa a ka tlholang a hirwa teng a bereka teng. Jaanong go raya gore ka jalo, between 60 le 65, ba a bo ba le mo tshokolong e tona ka go a bo go sena lemmenyana lepe le ba ka le bonang. Jaanong ke go kope Tona Morwaeng gore ba re o ba utlwele botlhoko gore ke eng o sa ise madi a gore a simololwe go amogelwa ke motho yo o 60 years.

Fa ke tswelela Honourable Morwaeng ke lebagane le ministry wa gago, ke kope gape gore mo Kgaolong ya rona ya Gaborone West, re na le batho mongwame ba ba saleng ba ikopetse go thusiwa ka Lenaneo le la Nyeletso Lehuma since 2013/2014. Bangwe mongwame, ba ne ba bona thuso, bangwe ba neelwa dilo di sa felela, bangwe ba isiwa bo training mme ba bangwe gotlhelelelele ga ba ise ba bone thuso, mme tota ke batho ba seemo se go tlhokagalang gore ba ka thusiwa. Ke ne ke kopa mongwame gore a ko o nkopele bana ba gago kwa maphateng one a gore a batho ba ba kgaolo ya me ba ko ba thusiwe ka gore selelo se tota boammaaruri ba tswa kgakala ka sone.

Mr Speaker, se sengwe se ke neng ke batla go bua ka sone ke gore maloba Member of Parliament (MP) wa Francistown South, Honourable Mmolotsi, o ne a tla ka kopo mo Palamenteng e e gaufi le dipelo tsa batho ba kgaolo ya me kana ke re Batswana botlhe ba ba berekang

ba na le pension gore babereki ba ba letlelelwe go tsaya bontlha bongwe jwa madi a bone mo pension gore ba ithuse mme Palamente e ne ya se ka ya dumalana. Jaanong Mr Speaker, golo mo ke selelo le kopo go tswa mo bathong ba kgaolo e ke e emetseng gore ba a kopa gore ba letlelelwe gore mo bonnyennyaneng jo ba setseng ba bo kokoantse kwa pension, ba kgone gore at least ba neelwe one third gore ba kgone gore ba ithuse. Ba re ba tlhokana le go reka plots gore ba kgone go ikagela ba santse ba theogetse ba sa tseye loans, kana ba kgone go ithekela matlo ka madi a. Ke selelo sa bone.


MR GREEFF: Ba kgone go itshimololela le dikgwebo, ba oketse letseno la bone la madi, bangwe ba re ba kgone le go itsenya dikolo, ba ikoketse dithuto tsa bone. Bangwe ba re gongwe ka madi a ba ka kgona gape gore ba duelele le bana ba bone dikole, jaaka bangwe bana ba bone ba kile ba sponsored ke Puso ba ya kwa universities, gongwe ba bo ba sa dire sentle, go bo gotwe bana ba ba ka ituelela. Jaanong batsadi ba ba a kopa gore ba letlelelwe gore ba tseye madi a, dilo tse tsotlhe, mabaka a otlhe, dilelo tse tsotlhe, ba kgone gore ba ithuse ka madi ao.

MR KABLAY: On a point of clarification. Thank you Mr Speaker. Mokaulengwe o e tshwere sentle. Ke botse fela gore o raya jaaka gongwe Makhanselara gompieno ba kopa gore mo pension ya bone kampo mo dikatsong tsa bone tse ba tlaa di bonang morago ga five years, ba fiwe sengwenyana mo teng? A o raya mo go ntseng jalo? Thank you.

MR GREEFF: Ke a leboga Chief Whip. Ke raya gone mo go ntseng jalo. Kana ga gona mosola wa gore motho a na le madi a bo a tla go sokola, a sa tseye one madi a gagwe a ithusa ka one. Ke sone selelo se se teng gape le kwa Makhanselareng, gore ba kopa gore ba neelwe one third ya madi a ba setseng ba a kgobokantse gore ba kgone go ithusa. O raya gore motho o ka baya madi fela koo a sokola Chief Whip, go sena sepe se a ka ithusang ka sone mme ba tshelela mo leshekereng le le ntseng jaana la dikoloto, la eng mme ba na le madi? Jaanong ke ne ke kopa gore a ko ba thusiwe ka kgang e.

Fa ke tswelela Mr Speaker, ke batla go kopa ba Ministry wa Labour gore kana batho ba me, batho ba Kgaolo ya me ya Gaborone West, kana ke re Gaborone Bonnington South, ba sotlwa ke companies tse ba berekang mo go tsone. Bangwe ba bone ga ba duelwe sentle, bangwe ba theogela overtimes tse e leng gore ga ba di duelwe. Fa o

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re o a bua, motho yo o kobiwa fela jaaka ntša mo tirong, go sena gope kwa e ka reng a ikuela teng, a bona thuso. Jaanong ke ne ke kopa gore a ko kgang e o e lebalebe, batho ba a ko ba thusege. Companies exploit babereki ba tsone, jaanong go batla gore kgang e e tsibogelwe ka gore ba re le fa ba ikuela kwa labour, go nna thata fela gore ba bone thuso. Jaanong ke sone se ke emeng fano ke kopa mo Toneng wa Labour gore a ko a bone gore kgang e batho ba a e tsibogela.

Se sengwe Mr Speaker, ke kope Tona ka boikokobetso Tona Dr Matsheka, gore kwa kgaolong ya rona ya Gaborone Bonnington South, re na le batho ba bantsi ba ba nnang mo matlong a Botswana Housing Corporation (BHC) pool houses, Government pool houses, ba nna kwa flats tse di tshwanang le kwa di Sweets. Batho ba bontsi jwa bone ke ba e leng gore ga ba a bolo go nna foo dingwaga tse dintsintsintsi, jaanong ba kopa gore a ba ka se ke ba letlelelwe gore matlo a ba a rekisetswe. Ba bangwe ba na le more than 20 years, ba na le bana ba ba tsholetsweng foo, ba feditse universities ba le foo, e le batho fela ba e leng gore ga se gore le madi ba amogela madi a mantsi a ba ka kgonang gore ba reke matlo a mangwe kana plots go sele tse di turang.

Jaanong ba kopa Tona Matsheka gore a ko a ba utlwele botlhoko ka yone kgang e gore batho ba ba kgone go letlelelwa go reka matlo a.

Mr Speaker, ke batla go bua gape le ka kgang e nngwe e e re tshwenyang thata mo kgaolong ya rona. Ga re a tsoga sentle kwa Kgale View, Block 9 le Phase 4. Re tlhasetswe ke magodu a a emelang batho mo passages, le mo ditseleng between Kgale View le Block 9 le mo dirobotong. Magodu a, fela fa o tsena ka koloi, fa go nang le humps teng o fokotsa lebelo, ba thuba koloi e ba tlhasela batho, ba a ba gobatsa, ba ba tlhaba ka dithipa, ba ba tseela ditsabone. Maphakela fa batho ba ya ditirong, ke selo modiro. Go emiwa mo passages ke magodu a; phakela le maitseboa. Batho ba Modimo fa ba feta jaana e le gore ba tswa mo passages ba ya go emela combis kwa tseleng, ba tlhaselwa ke magodu a, ba tlhabiwa ka dithipa, ba tseelwa dilo tsa bone tse di botlhokwa, phones le madi. Le fa ba tswa ka fa Phase 4 ba re ba tlolela fela kwa dishopong ka kwa Game City, ke selo modiro.

Ka jalo, re kope Tona Mmusi gore a ko a re sekasekele gore a ka se ke a re beele Satellite Police Station kwa Kgale View, kana botoka fa go pala, a ko a leke go bona gore o tsenya mapodise ba le bantsi mo tseleng gore ba re thuse thata ka patrols gore borukutlhi jo gongwe

bo ka fokotsa, jwaa boela kwa morago. Ke kopa jalo Tona Mmusi gore a ko o bone gore o thusa jang batho ba kgaolo ya me. Selelo sa bone se kwa godimo mong wa me.

Mr Speaker, e sale e re ke tsena mo Palamenteng, ka kopa ba Health gore clinic ya rona ya Gaborone West (G-West) e dirwe gore e nne 24 hours. Ra ba ra kopa le gore clinic e e tswa kgakala e thusa batho ba bantsi. Clinic ya teng gape, ga go na ngaka. Ka nako ya Honourable Kwape e le Tona ya tsa Botsogo, o ne a ipha nako ya go etela clinics tse, a bona le ene gore letlhoko la ngaka kwa west le teng. A dumalana a ba a solofetsa gore e tlaa re mo bogaufing re bone ngaka. Nako kgolo ke eno, ga ke sa tlhaloganya gore a re tlaa tlhola re e bona yone ngaka e re neng re e solofeditswe, mme batho ba kgaolo ya me bone ba sokola. Ba tsaya nako le tsela e telele gore ba bonwe ke ngaka. Fa ba bonwa ke mooki fa clinic ya G-West, after referral to ngaka, o tshwanelwa ke go ya kwa Block 9. Fa a le kwa Block 9 o bona ngaka, fa a tshwanetse gore a tswe fale a ye go bona ngaka gape kwa Princess Marina, ke gore it takes two days or more gore motho a felele a bona thuso.

Tona Dikoloti, gongwe ke go kope, ke go laletse gore fa o bona nako, a ko o tsamaele kwa G-West, o tle o ba bolelele gore ngaka e re neng re e solofeditswe, a re santse re tlaa e bona kana go ile fela jalo, batho ba G-West ba itlhoboge.

Re kopile gape le clinic e gore a ko e bulwe 24 hours ka gore e fa gare ga batho, jaanong bosigo batho ba a sokola gore ba ye go bona bongaka kgakala kwa bo Block 9 ba raletse mafifi mo magodung a a kanakana. Jaanong ke kopo fela, Tona Dikoloti, ke kope gore a kgang e a e tsibogele, a bone gore o ka re thusa. Mr Speaker, re solofeditse Batswana dilo tse gore re tlaa ba neela botsogo ka dinako tsotlhe tse ba batlang go bona ngaka ka tsone.

Mr Speaker, ke na le kgang e nngwe gape e e tshwenyang ya botsogo. Fa o tsena kwa Princess Marina on referral from other clinics, molwetse o tsaya malatsi a ka nna mabedi go ya kwa go a mararo gore a bone thuso fa emergency. Golo mo, kgantele fa gongwe motho o felela a thokafala fela gone foo a santse a emetse go bonwa ke ngaka. Ke kope le bone ba botsogo gore kgang e a ko ba leke gore ba e emele ka dinao. Tota re a tlhaloganya gore le fa go sena madi a gore gongwe go ka tswa go na le madiadia mangwe, a ko ba e emele ka dinao ba bone gore batho ba a thusega.

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Kopo e nngwe gape ya me ke gore, machines tse di bonesang tsa bo CT Scan le tse dingwe, di a tlhaela kwa Princess Marina. Motho o kgona go tsaya nako tota a batla go thusiwa go bonesiwa ka these CT Scan machines, go bo go tsaya nako yotlhe. Motho o kgona go felela a tlhokafetse a ntse a emetse gore a ka ya go bona thuso. Jaanong ke ne ke kopa gore yone e, a ko ba e tsibogele, ba bone gore ba ka thusa batho ba Gaborone jang, le ba ba tswang kwa ntle.

Mr Speaker, re na le lefelo kwa Gaborone West le bidiwa ga Mma Masire, ke la ba Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development (MYSC), le kile la bo le neetswe batho ba kgaolo ya rona gore ba le dirise. Le ne le na le Non-Governmental Organisations (NGOs) tsa Batswana, le batho ba kgaolo ba ne ba le dirisa, ba dira metshameko yotlhe ka go farologana. Ke lefelo le le neng le thusa, le ne le ntsha bana mo mebileng le drugs. Mr Speaker, le setse le alositse Batswana bangwe. Re setse re na le bana ba ba tswang gone fa lefelong lele, ba ba neng ba tshameka basketball, ke bua jaana ba le kwa mafatsheng ba le kwa America. Re na le players ka bontsi tse di tswang gone fale, di tshamekela ditlhopha tse ditona.

Ke eme fano gompieno Mr Speaker, re lela sa ga Ragele. NGOs tsa Batswana, bana ba Gaborone West, ba dikgaolo tse di bapileng le G-West, ba lela sa ga Ragele, ka gore ba ministry o wa MYSC, e ne ya re bana ba ntse ba dira dilo tse, re ba alosa foo re ba ntsha mo drugs le mo mebileng le mo ditirong tse di maswe, ba bo ba tsaya lefelo leo Mr Speaker, ba le neela NGO e nngwe ya makgoa, go ntshiwa Batswana, bana ba kgaolo. NGO eo ya makgoa e rile e tsena, e bo e koba bana ba Batswana. Ba MYSC ba bo ba ema ka dinao supporting makgoa ao gore NGO ya bone e kgone gore e phophome. Jaanong selo se ke selelo fela go tswa mo baneng ba kgaolo ya rona. Ba kopa gore a ko ba busediwe lefelo leo. E le kopo Mr Speaker ka boikokobetso.

Mr Speaker, Batswana ka bontsi ba tshela ka stress se se ntsi sa go tlhoka ditiro. Le ba dikompone ba tshela ka stress sa go tlhoka go bona ditiro mo Pusong. E bile ba kgobega marapo, dikgang tsa bone e setse e le gore o kare gongwe ga re dire go lekane re le Puso gore re ba bulele diphatlha mo ditirong tsa dikompone le bone fela ba ba batlang go bereka.

Re setse re le mo nakong Mr Speaker gore Batswana ka bontsi ba rutegile go ka dira tiro nngwe le nngwe fela e e ka nnang teng mo lefatsheng. Ba na le dikompone tsotlhe tse o ka di akanyang mo lefatsheng le gore motho o ka nna le tsone. Ba itekanetse go ka fiwa tiro nngwe le nngwe e e teng.

Mr Speaker, e re ntswa Batswana ba lela ka ditiro tse, mo gongwe gotwe ga di yo, re bo re bona fa re tsamaya mo ditseleng mo, e le gore jaanong bontsi jwa batho ba e seng Batswana, ba theogetse. Fa o tsamaya mo, o ka emisa trucks fela randomly, gongwe wa emisa tse 20, o ya go fitlhela mo teng, Batswana ba ba kgweetsang foo, gongwe ba le four, the rest e se Batswana. Ke bothata jo bo teng, mme re re ditiro ga di yo.

Maloba fa ke tour mo companies tse di mo kgaolong ya rona, ke tsena mo company e nngwe ya banna bangwe, ba letso lengwe, le ke sa batleng go le bua ka leina. Ke fitlhela ba hirile go tswa kwa le security, yo o itayang till, yo o dirang eng, e le batho ba lone letso leo. Jaanong o ipotsa gore a mme, go tewa gotwe le tsone tse, Motswana ga a ka ke a kgona go di dira?

Fa o tsena Mr Speaker, mo go ba ba iperekang, ba dikgwebo tse di potlana, mo kgaolong ya me, o ya go fitlhela Batswana ba lwela go rekisa bo nzamela, vegetables, mo ga go apaya, mo re go bitsang bo tšhesanyama kwa Gaborone West. O tsena mo salons, bo mechanics… fa o tsena fa pele ga bo Trade World le bo Builders, go na le Batswana ba ba dirileng kgwebo ka trucks tsa bo matshelonyana, o ya go fitlhela e le gore ba foo, ba mekamekana le batswakwa. O kare re le Puso, ga re ba emele ka dinao thata gore re ba thuse dikgang tse, gore businesses tse kana re rile ke tsa bone, a e nne tsa bone fela.

Maloba ba Ministry wa Trade, ba ne ba ntsha mokwalo fa, ba supa gore businesses tse le tse, are reserved for Batswana. Jaanong kgang ke gore, a mme gone moo, go kwala mokwalo fela, le bo le sa tswe mo diofising, le ya go bona se se kwa field, a go lekane gore go thuse Batswana ba, gore businesses tse e nne tsa bone fela? Ke gone fa ditiro di leng teng, jaanong fa re ba kgoba marapo e le gore ga re ba thuse ka sepe, ga go na tshireletso epe e re supang gore nnyaa, re na le bone, e nna kgang.

Mr Speaker, fa o tsena fela mo ditseleng tse di dirwang ke companies tsa bo Grade E, mo dikagong tse ditona tsa bo Grade E, o tsena mo tenders tsa bo Grade E, o ya go fitlhela companies tse di filweng tiro koo, e le companies that are owned by lefatshe lengwe la kwa Asia le ke sa batleng go le bua ka leina. Fa o tsena mo maranyaneng a Companies and Intellectual Property Authority (CIPA), kana o ya kwa bo Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB), o ya go fitlhela companies tsa Batswana tse di nang le Grade E tse, e bile go supagala ba kile ba dira ditiro dingwe, mme go

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pala gore ditiro tse ba di neelwe. Ke na le dipotsonyana gone fa Mr Speaker, gore a mme molao wa Economic Inclusion Bill, o akaretsa batho ba companies tse?

Ya bobedi potso, ke batla clarity go tswa mo Pusong gore, e tlhalose gore a go na le tumalano ya lefatshe la Botswana le lefatshe le la kwa Asia, gore go beelwe companies tsa Batswana ka fa mosing, a bo tenders tsotlhe tsa ditsela, dikago, metsi kwa Water Utilities Corporation(WUC), di bo di neelwa company ya lefatshe la Asia because companies tse tsotlhe, tse di fa, tsa maChina bontsi jwa tsone, are those that are owned by Puso ya kwa China?

Potso e nngwe Mr Speaker, ke gore a mme go siame gore a bo e re Batswana ba na le companies tse di nang le bokgoni jwa go dira ditiro tse tsotlhe, re bo re di baya gore ba gaisane le lefatshe la China? A mme kgang e….

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go sisibetse mmata.

MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR KGAFELA): On a point of clarification. Motlotlegi, dikompone tse o reng di dira ditiro tsa Batswana, mme tsone e se tsa Batswana, ga se gore le wena o le Mopalamente, le nne le re thusa, le re tlhaba podi matseba fa le fitlhela go ntse jalo, ka gore kana lefatshe le, le aname. Ga re itse khutlo nngwe le nngwe gore go diragala eng kwa go yone mo dikgwebong. E re fa motho a filwe teseletso ya go gweba ka tsela epe, mme a bo e le gore jaanong o a fetelela, o tsena mo dikgwebong tsa Batswana, ga se gore le re tlhabe podi matseba fa le bona selo seo se diragala gore re tle re tseye dikgato?

MR GREEFF: Ke a leboga Honourable Minister. Kgang e o e buang e, e ntsi, e a diragala le kwa kgaolong ya me, go simolola fela fa bus rank, go ya go tsena kwa malls tsele tsotlhe tsa bo West, o ya go fitlhela dikgang tse koo. A bo re fetela le mo go tsone tse o utlwang ke ntse ke di bua gore wena fa o lebile, Batswana gompieno ba rutegile akere, ke maengineer, ke eng, ba dirile companies. Re bone companies tsa Batswana, di fiwa tiro fela under Economic Stimulus Programme (ESP). Nako ya teng, ba ne ba neelwa tenders ba bo ba di kgona. Jaanong gompieno matsapa a tswa fa kae, a gore go na le tenders tse jaanong e le tsa lefatshe la China? Those companies are owned by Government ya China, ga se companies that are owned by individuals Tona. Gongwe e bile o ka thusa because it is unfair mo Batswaneng, gore re bo re tsaya Goromente wa China le Motswana, re re a gaisane le Goromente wa maChina, ba lwela tender mo Botswana.

Potso ke gore a mme rona, re le Batswana, re ka tswa fa, ra ya go letlelelwa to tender kwa China, Zambia kana kwa lefatsheng lepe fela le e tlaa reng fa re tsena teng, go bo go tsewa batho ba lefatshe leo, ba beelwa kwa tlhoko, go bo go raya gore rona Batswana, ka gore re ile to tender kwa lefatsheng leo, a bo re fiwa tenders? Ke lefe lefatshe leo? Ke a le batla lefatshe leo, ke rona fela mo Botswana ba re kgonang go letlelela tsone dilo tse di ntseng jalo.

Mr Speaker, nako e gorogile ya gore dilo tse, re di baakanye, dilo tse tsotlhe …

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR MOLEBATSI): Ke a go leboga. Ke dumalana le wena rra gore go na le ditiro tse di tsewang ke batswakwa tse dintsi. Mma ke go gakolole e bile ke go tlhomamisetse gore mo molaong wa Economic Inclusion Act, Article 18 (b), e bua gore re ya go dira legal instruments that prioritise go neela Batswana ditiro. Fa e le gore ke tiro e tona, re ya go dira mo gotweng to unbundle it, go e kgaoganya, mme go tlaabo go le ka fa molaong jaanong rraetsho. Ke a leboga.

MR GREEFF: Ke a leboga. Keletso ke gore fa re di bua Molemole, a bo re diragatsa. Re se ka ra bua fela o kare re baya Batswana bobi mo matlhong. Nako e tšhaile. Gompieno, re na le Batswana ba ba dirileng bo civil engineering to the highest level. Jaanong fa ba na le company, o bo o re Batswana ba ba nang le dithutego tse di kalokalo, ba ipopile ba dirile consortiums, re bo re re ga re ka ke ra ba neela tiro, a bo re tsaya tiro e, re e neela lefatshe la China? This thing must stop. Go tswa fa re tsamaya mo re lela, re re ga go na ditiro, ditiro re di tsaya mo lefatsheng le, re bo re di neela companies tse di tswang kwa ntle, which country can do that? Ga go na lefatshe lepe le le ka dirang jalo.

Re tshwanetse go emela Batswana ka dinao, ditiro tse di tsene mo diatleng tsa bone fela jaaka ke ne ke e fa sekai sa gore ka nako ya ESP, gone ga diragala jalo. Batswana ba ne ba neelwa ditiro tseo, di fedile gompieno fa re bua jaana.

Tse dingwe companies tse, maloba re ne re bona go tsenngwa cameras mo toropong ya Gaborone, ka tender ya about P200 million. Ba bo ba kwala gore re ya go dira se le se, ba bo ba neelwa that tender, ba bo ba e dira, e padile, ga e a fela gompieno. Ba dirile mathata fela mo go yone. Maloba ke fa gotwe ba neelwa direct appointment gape ya P300 million gore ba ye go dira

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tiro ya go nna jalo. What is so special about these guys, Batswana ba le teng who are qualified for ditiro tseo? Batswana ba rutegile. A ba neelwe ditiro tseo.

Gape le companies tse, fa ba neela tender, ba reka sengwe le sengwe kwa ga bone, ga go na company epe e e mo Botswana kana shop that benefits. So what is the use ka gore le batho ga ba ba duele?

Ke batla go gatela pele, ke re nte ke leboge Honourable Lefoko Moagi wa tsala ya me, gore e rile fa ke tsena fa, ke lela ka dikgang tsa bo Majwe, tsa eng, a utlwa gore ditiro tse tota di tshwanetse gore di tsene mo Batswaneng.

Le ene ke bue le ene ke mo kope, ka gore se ke lelang ka sone ke re go a direga kwa bo Water Utilities le mo ditseleng, ke mo kope gore morena, lebelela kwa mine ole wa Khoemacau o o kwa Maun. Re na le boraditeraka mo Botswana, bana ba Batswana ba tswa go tsaya madi kwa Citizen Entrepreneurial Development Agency (CEDA) le kwa dibankeng ba reka diteraka. Ga go a siama, ga go maleba gore go bo go tswa go tsewa company ya diteraka kwa Cape Town, Unitrans South Africa. Unitrans tse di tharo; go na le ya building, ya diteraka le mining. Go bo go ya go tsewa Unitrans South Africa ya mining, e bo e neelwa tender kwa moepong o o kwa Maun, o ya go ntsha ore from point A to B. Mpolelele gore ke ofe Motswana yo o ka palelwang ke go dira jalo, fa o mo file tender eo a bo a ntsha ore from point A to B. Fa o tsena mo moepong ole wa Sowa, same story.

Maloba Honourable Letsholo o tlile ka Motion mo Palamenteng gore ditiro tsotlhe tsa diteraka tse di mo lefatsheng la rona, a di neelwe Batswana. Fa o ya kwa Sowa, o ya go fitlhela go laisa (load) diteraka fela tse di tswang kwa ntle. Tsa Batswana di kae? Di eme, ga di fiwe ditiro. Batswana ba rile ba ipopa ba dira Truckers Association, gore at least ba kgone go fiwa tiro fa e le gore e ntsi ba e kopanele, ba kgaogane sengwenyana. Fa o tsena fa moepong wa Medie o o fa Lentsweletau gaufi fa, o ya go fitlhela same story. Do we know gore fa re ka nna ra letlelela dilo tse di diragala, Batswana ba sotlega, ba tshwerwe ke tlala, ba sa bone tiro, re bitsa mathata, a ke e tleng ke a bone mo mafatsheng a mangwe. Ga gona lefatshe lepe le le ka dirang jalo…

MR SPEAKER: Order! Honourable Greeff, you will recall kamoso kgang e ya diteraka le Batswana ba ba sotlegang …(Inaudible)… Honourable Members, the time is 6 o’clock, may I call upon the Leader of the House, the Vice President to move a Motion of adjournment.

MOTION

ADJOURNMENT

ACTING LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR MOLALE): I am standing in for him Mr Speaker. Thank you Mr Speaker. Now that it is 6 o’clock, I move that this House do now adjourn. Thank you Mr Speaker.

Question put and agreed to.

The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:00 p.m. until Thursday 25th November, 2021 at 2:00 p.m.

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