Independent Jersey Care Inquiry

IndependentJersey Care Inquiry

Day 63

March 5, 2015

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March 5, 2015 Independent Jersey Care Inquiry Day 63

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1 Thursday, 5 March 2015

2 (9.33 am)

3 THE CHAIR: Good morning, Mr Livingston.

4 MR LIVINGSTON: Good morning, Madam Chair.

5 Members of the Panel, as you are aware, we were due

6 to start this morning with a live witness. However, due

7 to further documents being received that will be

8 slightly delayed. Therefore I am going to start with

9 a summary of evidence about Brig-y-don which was due to

10 take place this afternoon. After that, Members of the

11 Panel, if we can break very shortly to see whether we

12 are ready to start with the witness and if we are, we

13 will, and if not I will proceed with further summaries

14 for Family Group Homes.

15 THE CHAIR: Yes, by all means. That seems the sensible

16 course while time is given to consider the documents.

17 MR LIVINGSTON: Thank you, Madam Chair.

18 Summary of evidence on Brig-y-don Family Group Home

19 MR LIVINGSTON: Members of the Panel, throughout this phase

20 of the Inquiry you have heard evidence from a number of

21 witnesses who spent time at Brig-y-don, which was

22 a voluntary residential children's home run between 1925

23 and 2009 under private ownership and subsequently under

24 States ownership. The purpose of this summary is to

25 give you an overview of the history of the home and its



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1 use during the span of the Inquiry period, from 1945

2 onwards.

3 Members of the Panel, the list of documents that lie

4 behind this summary can be found at {WD005073}. As you

5 will note it contains a number of documents and although

6 I won't ask for every one to be brought up on screen,

7 this provides a useful reference point when considering

8 the role of Brig-y-don in the remaining phases of

9 the Inquiry and when you come to write your report.

10 Members of the Panel, the history of Brig-y-don up

11 to 1984 is set out in a document which can be found at

12 {WD004847} and that's a fairly lengthy document which

13 I ask you to read in due course.

14 Members of the Panel, Brig-y-don was established in

15 1925 as a convalescent home for children, particularly

16 those suffering from tuberculosis. It was originally

17 designed to provide a home for six children in need of

18 "good food, sunshine and rest". In 1932 the Friends of

19 Brig-y-don Convalescent and Holiday Home was formally

20 established as a public voluntary charitable society,

21 the purpose of which was set out in the rules and under

22 rule 2:

23 "The object of the society is to provide and

24 maintain a home for the reception and treatment of

25 children who are:



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1 "(a) convalescent after illness.

2 "(b) weakly and in need of a period of fresh air and

3 good food.

4 "(c) suffering from curable forms of orthopaedic or

5 debilitating diseases."

6 And that can be found at {WD004849}.

7 The bylaws of the home provided that children would

8 be accepted up to school leaving age, which at that

9 point was 14, and it would generally be short-term

10 admissions of two weeks, unless a longer period of

11 residence was approved by the Matron.

12 Members of the Panel, the history of the home from

13 1945 to 1963 can, as I stated before, be found in

14 {WD004847}.

15 Members of the Panel, in 1963 Brig-y-don's Committee

16 decided to broaden the scope of the home to admitting

17 children under 12 years old who had been deprived of

18 a home life. That can be found at {WD004850}. In 1964

19 the rules were formally amended to include provision for

20 children who Had been deprived, whether wholly or

21 temporarily, of their normal home life and those in need

22 of care and attention.

23 You will note the similarity in language between

24 that and the admission of children to other homes during

25 that period and you will note, Members of the Panel,



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1 that this marked a step away from the traditional use of

2 Brig-y-don as a home for convalescents.

3 In February 1970 Brig-y-don was registered as

4 a voluntary home under the recently enacted Children

5 (Jersey) Law 1969 and the reference for that is

6 {WD004854}.

7 Members of the Panel, perhaps understandably, from

8 that time Children's Services came to have an increasing

9 role in how the home was run. For example, in 1971

10 Patricia Thornton, the Children's Officer, insisted that

11 a Deputy Matron be appointed as the existing staffing

12 arrangements had been deemed unsatisfactory. This

13 brought the staffing contingent up to five care staff at

14 that time.

15 Members of the Panel, coincidentally at this point

16 the numbers of children had dropped drastically at

17 Brig-y-don and in fact, although this is perhaps

18 a peculiarity, you will note from page 12 of

19 {WD004847/12} that for two months in 1972 there were no

20 children at Brig-y-don, but a staff of nine.

21 Members of the Panel, after discussions with

22 Charles Smith in August 1972 it was decided that

23 Brig-y-don should cater for up to 14 residents and ten

24 day care children, but that they would require an extra

25 qualified member of staff to achieve this. The



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1 reference for that is {WD004860}.

2 Again with regard to the involvement of

3 Children's Services, from 1973 the Children's Officer at

4 that point, Charles Smith, was invited to become

5 a member of the Brig-y-don Committee and, Members of the

6 Panel, you might recall that a similar thing happened

7 with regard to La Preference, the other voluntary home

8 in the Island at this time.

9 Members of the Panel, from this point, from the

10 early to mid-1970s, the Education Committee paid

11 Brig-y-don a fixed rate for every child that it provided

12 for admission and the reference for that is {WD004855}.

13 In August 1973, witness 288 was appointed Matron,

14 a position she held for [REDACTED] in 2004.

15 A Home Office inspection took place shortly afterwards,

16 in April 1974, and although we don't have the report

17 itself, Madam Chair, the Brig-y-don Committee noted, at

18 {WD004863}:

19 "... how pleased they were with the accommodation

20 provided and the situation of the home, also the quality

21 and efficiency of the staff."

22 The inspector advised that approval had been given

23 for the home to be used in the scheme for training

24 nurses for NNEB.

25 Members of the Panel, the use of Brig-y-don by



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1 Children's Services continued in an upward trend

2 throughout the 1970s and in 1975 it was almost at full

3 occupancy and the reference for that is {WD004843}.

4 During 1978 a new wing was opened at the home to

5 cater for a maximum of 18 children, with 30 children to

6 be in attendance at the playgroup at the home. The

7 number of children attending Brig-y-don during the day

8 grew from 12 children in 1974 to 30 children in 1978 and

9 up to 54 children in 1982. The reference for that is

10 {WD004847}.

11 Members of the Panel, Counsel to the Inquiry have

12 conducted an analysis of the numbers of children in

13 residential care at Brig-y-don from 1969 to 2008 and

14 have produced a graph which could be brought up on

15 screen at {WD005072}. This shows the average occupancy

16 rate at Brig-y-don during the month of January each year

17 and, Members of the Panel, you will note that although

18 occupancy rates are variable, there is a sustained

19 drop-in average occupancy from 1980, rising briefly in

20 1985/1986, before dropping and remaining steadily

21 between seven and nine thereafter. As you already

22 recall from the other homes, and as I will come on to

23 discuss, this was in line with the Children's Services

24 policy to have smaller homes at that time.

25 However, Members of the Panel, the problem of



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1 declining numbers at Brig-y-don in the early 1980s led

2 to a period of tension between the Brig-y-don Committee

3 and Children's Services. This decline in demand for

4 residential care placements was one that was felt across

5 Children's Services and that's noted in {WD004846}. As

6 a consequence of this, Madam Chair, placement of

7 children in Haut de la Garenne was prioritised over

8 placement in the voluntary homes, such as Brig-y-don and

9 La Preference and, as you will see from {WD005018}, this

10 policy appears to have been largely for financial

11 reasons at that point.

12 If we can bring up {WD005019} you will note, Members

13 of the Panel, that this approach taken by

14 Children's Services caused witness 288 to express

15 vocally her frustration with the Education Committee

16 that decisions appeared to be being made which did not

17 prioritise the provision of optimum care to children.

18 Of course, Members of the Panel, you will wish to

19 consider whether the taking of resource implications

20 into account at that point was appropriate.

21 Members of the Panel, this decline in numbers had

22 also caused concerns within Brig-y-don's Committee as to

23 the continuing viability of the home at that time and

24 the document that is up on screen at present notes that

25 members had expressed the view that:



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1 "The Education Committee seems to be strangling

2 Brig-y-don to death." {WD005019/2}

3 Madam Chair, you may recall that around this time,

4 as you have heard previously, a series of inspections

5 were carried out by David Lambert and

6 Elizabeth Wilkinson. Brig-y-don was visited as part of

7 this and the authors noted in the report -- and I will

8 a read out the extracts and give you the specific

9 references for these from the Lambert and

10 Wilkinson Report. They noted that in relation to its

11 day care functions there was significant scope for

12 development to bring it into line with practices in the

13 UK. You will find that at {WD004828}.

14 At {WD004830}, in relation to its residential

15 function they noted that:

16 "Brig-y-don plays an important role for those

17 requiring short admission due to a lack of short stay

18 foster homes in Jersey."

19 At that time nine children were resident, ranging

20 from between one and nine years of age. The home was

21 staffed by six qualified employees, five with NNEB

22 training and one teacher and they describe staffing

23 levels as adequate.

24 They noted that the house at Brig-y-don was "very

25 suitable" for the work it was doing and went on to say



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1 that Brig-y-don, along with La Preference, the other

2 voluntary home in the Island, played:

3 "... a major part in providing a wide range of

4 residential services for children in care."

5 They went on to say:

6 "Although it is outside the terms of our brief to

7 inspect these homes, it seems to us that the voluntary

8 children's homes offer a good caring environment. We

9 therefore feel that in future this should be recognised

10 when planning Children's Services on the Island as they

11 could play a fuller and more established part. In

12 recognition of their contribution to the range of

13 provision it might be necessary to define the nature of

14 the relationship and come to some joint agreement about

15 optimum occupancy levels."

16 Members of the Panel, one of the recommendations of

17 the Lambert and Wilkinson Report and the DHSS following

18 the report was that Brig-y-don should be used for

19 children under eight years old and La Preference for

20 older children. That role was accepted by Brig-y-don at

21 the time, however La Preference were unhappy about

22 solely being used for older children and wanted to

23 continue to provide a range of services for all

24 children.

25 Members of the Panel, when considering the efficacy



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1 of Brig-y-don throughout the period under inspection,

2 you may wish to compare Lambert and Wilkinson's findings

3 on the home with those on Haut de la Garenne and the

4 other homes at that point.

5 In the wake of this report, Madam Chair, the

6 decision was taken to close Haut de la Garenne and

7 in December 1982 the Director of Education at that time,

8 John Rodhouse, addressed the Brig-y-don Committee on the

9 continuing provision of residential child care in

10 Jersey, declaring that the Education Committee intended

11 opening two smaller homes, whilst aiming to increase the

12 number of children in foster care. He emphasised the

13 need to develop a stronger link with the independent

14 children's homes, in line with Lambert and Wilkinson's

15 findings. You will note, Members of the Panel, at

16 {WD005014} that this change in policy alleviated the

17 problems that Brig-y-don had experienced in recent years

18 due to declining numbers and it was felt that

19 "Brig-y-don will probably be kept comfortably full" as

20 a result.

21 Members of the Panel, in line with that you will

22 note, if we turn back to the graph at {WD005072}, the

23 number of children resident at Brig-y-don rising

24 steadily from 1982 to 1987.

25 In 1987 Anton Skinner, the Children's Officer at



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1 that point, outlined plans to involve Brig-y-don closely

2 with the Children's Department policy of shared care and

3 you will find that at {WD005021}. This policy of shared

4 care, Members of the Panel, would see children spending

5 time at Brig-y-don during the week with the aim of

6 giving parents a break whilst also maintaining the

7 regular contact that was considered important to family

8 life. At {WD005020} Anton Skinner stated that

9 Brig-y-don held a strong place in these plans, having

10 previously kept pace with and, to a certain extent,

11 pioneered what might be called a total service to the

12 community. That kind of support which extends beyond

13 just caring for the child.

14 Brig-y-don's involvement in this shared care policy

15 grew from offering six places initially to almost double

16 that by 1991 and you will note that at {WD005026}.

17 However, shared care and the work it involved was noted

18 to have created pressures on staff and this may explain

19 the dip in residential numbers which you will see from

20 the graph after 1987.

21 By 1992 a decision had been made by the

22 Children's Office to phase out shared care at Brig-y-don

23 and to refocus its aims on assisting the States in

24 supporting successful foster placements. That decision

25 is noted at {WD005022}.



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1 A report by the Children's Services at {WD005023}

2 notes the need for ongoing support for foster parents

3 and stated:

4 "The expertise of Brig-y-don meant that it would be

5 playing a central role in this area, which in fact it

6 has been doing for some time."

7 In 1996 formal changes were made to the constitution

8 of Brig-y-don and that's noted at {WD005027}. Over the

9 page {WD005027/2}, Members of the Panel, you will note

10 that its newly stated objectives, as of 1996, included:

11 "(a) the reception and care of children in need of

12 care and attention.

13 "(b) the reception and care of children in need of

14 care either wholly or temporarily unable to live with

15 their family.

16 "(c) taking such measures as necessary to support

17 children in their own homes and to assist in the

18 rehabilitation of children within their families.

19 "(d) where this is not possible, to assist in the

20 placement and support of children in substitute

21 families.

22 "(e) to provide a (fee paying) day care/playgroup

23 service to the community."

24 Pausing there, Members of the Panel, we briefly turn

25 to an overview of the various mechanisms through which



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1 Brig-y-don was funded, which will be important when

2 considering the role of Brig-y-don in the States'

3 provision of care.

4 {WD005043} sets out the sources of income for

5 Brig-y-don. One is residential and other fees, which

6 from 1993 were paid by way of States grant rather than

7 a fixed payment for each child. The second was income

8 derived from subscriptions and donations and others

9 included bequests from the States, Parish grants,

10 dividends and interest, collection boxes and

11 fundraising.

12 Members of the Panel, from that earlier document,

13 {WD005043}, you will no doubt note the significant

14 operating deficits that were going on at Brig-y-don from

15 1998 to 2000 and the forecast deficits at that time up

16 to 2005. As you will see from the later documents, when

17 they are viewed at a later stage in full, these

18 financial difficulties characterised the last 10 to

19 15 years of Brig-y-don's use as a private residential

20 children's home.

21 You will note concern expressed repeatedly about the

22 financial viability of the home, given the inadequacy of

23 funding and at one point at {WD005043} they point

24 towards the Gulf between the States grant of £140,000

25 and the salary bill for the home, which was £270,000.



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1 It did appear briefly as though those financial

2 difficulties had been temporarily resolved when in 2002

3 a large bequest was received of £500,000. However, you

4 will note from the documents that in light of this

5 bequest the decision was taken by the Department for

6 Health and Social Services to withdraw the States grant

7 for that year and, Members of the Panel, you will note

8 that this led to a good deal of tension between the

9 Brig-y-don Committee and the Department of Health and

10 Social Services. An example of that is at {WD005041}.

11 In 2004, witness 288, the Matron for some

12 [REDACTED], retired and she was honoured for services

13 performed during her time at Brig-y-don and you will

14 note that at {WD005039}.

15 In the period that followed this Brig-y-don

16 continued to struggle financially, with the pre-school

17 closing in 2005 and that's noted at {WD005036}.

18 The period subsequent to this, as you will see,

19 Members of the Panel, showed that the character of the

20 home was changing at that time, with older children, at

21 times with challenging behaviours, being admitted. You

22 will note throughout the documents, Members of the

23 Panel, but for example at {WD005015} and {WD005028},

24 that previous to this Brig-y-don had been considered

25 unsuitable for this type of admission, for example where



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1 children were beyond the control of staff. As a result

2 of this changing intake of children, Brig-y-don employed

3 its first male member of staff in November 2007.

4 During 2007 and 2008 discussions took place between

5 the States and the Brig-y-don Committee with regard to

6 the future of the home. In August 2009 the decision was

7 taken to close Brig-y-don as a voluntary residential

8 children's home and the property was leased for

9 the States of Jersey. That's noted at {WD004841}.

10 Following the recommendations of Andrew Williamson's

11 report in 2008, the home was refurbished into a small

12 unit run by the States and was reopened in June 2011,

13 taking the young people that had previously been

14 resident at Heathfield. According to Tony Le Sueur's

15 evidence to the Inquiry, the home is still owned by the

16 charitable trust. However, the States pays the rental

17 and this rental income is used to support children in

18 need on the Island. Members of the Panel, as far as

19 Counsel to the Inquiry is aware, Brig-y-don is still in

20 existence with this function today.

21 Madam Chair, you have heard numerous accounts during

22 this phase of evidence from individuals who spent time

23 at Brig-y-don and according to our calculations there

24 are at least 30 and likely a number more. At present it

25 is believed that only one witness has made any



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1 allegations of abuse in relation to their time at

2 the home and the others either give positive evidence

3 about Brig-y-don, or don't recall their time there due

4 to being very young. Members of the Panel, when it

5 comes to writing your report you may wish to consider

6 the reasons for this. Was it perhaps because of

7 a different culture that existed at Brig-y-don? Was it

8 the ability as a voluntary home to be able to select the

9 children that they took? Was it due to the different

10 demographic in children with regard to age and perhaps

11 behaviour? Members of the Panel, this is something

12 which you will wish to consider in due course.

13 That concludes the evidence about Brig-y-don for

14 this period.

15 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Mr Livingston, and that is timely.

16 It is now 10 o'clock, so if --

17 MR LIVINGSTON: Yes, if we have a five minute break where

18 I will check whether the witness is ready and we can

19 resume at that point.

20 THE CHAIR: Yes, we will take a five minute break.

21 MR LIVINGSTON: Thank you, Madam Chair.

22 (10.00 am)

23 (A short break)

24 (10.15 am)

25 THE CHAIR: Good morning, Ms Jerram.



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1 MS JERRAM: Good morning, Members of the Panel. This

2 morning we hear from Mr B, who will affirm.

3 Witness 673 (affirmed)

4 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Mr B: now, as I'm sure you have been

5 told, we are here to listen to you. We will take

6 a break in about an hour, and hour and ten minutes at

7 a convenient moment, but if at any time if you need

8 a break before that, just say and we will accommodate

9 you.

10 A. Okay, thank you.

11 THE CHAIR: Just make yourself comfortable and in your own

12 time listen to counsel and we will listen to you.


14 Questions from COUNSEL TO THE INQUIRY

15 MS JERRAM: Mr B, firstly could you confirm the year of your

16 birth please.

17 A. [REDACTED]. Sorry, 1968.

18 Q. If we could have on screen the Inquiry witness statement

19 please at {WS000498}. Mr B, this is a copy of

20 the Inquiry statement that you have made and can you

21 confirm on the final page {WS000498/12} that you have

22 signed the statement?

23 A. Yes.

24 Q. And does it remain true to the best of your knowledge

25 and belief?



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1 A. Yes.

2 Q. Could we go back please to the first page of the

3 statement and just dealing with your early life

4 {WS000498}, you say that as a child you lived at home

5 with your mum and nan in Jersey and you remember having

6 a happy childhood at home. Did you ever have any

7 contact with your father at all?

8 A. I've never met my biological father. I've only recently

9 found out his name.

10 Q. Then you go on to say:

11 "At the age of six years old my nan, who mum and

12 I lived with, kicked my mum out of the house. As my mum

13 had nowhere to stay other than a small bedsit, which

14 could not accommodate [both of us], mum had no choice

15 but to place me in Brig-y-don."

16 Was your mother working at that time?

17 A. Yes, she was.

18 Q. And as far as you knew was it all that she could afford,

19 to stay in a bedsit?

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. And as far as you were aware did she want you to stay

22 with her?

23 A. Of course, yes.

24 Q. Yes. But in the end you ended up at Brig-y-don?

25 A. Yes.



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1 Q. Do you know how long you stayed there for?

2 A. I can't remember to be honest, totally.

3 Q. Tell us about your memories of Brig-y-don?

4 A. Very happy. The staff were fantastic. I still remember

5 some of them. The lady who was the Head Officer at the

6 time there and another lady, I remember their names, but

7 I remember Brig-y-don even when I drive past. I've got

8 fond memories.

9 Q. Was there ever a time then when you went to live back

10 with your mother before you ended up going firstly to

11 Haut de la Garenne and then Les Chenes?

12 A. Yes, it was with when my mum and obviously the man she

13 went on to marry, they got a flat in St Clement's.

14 Q. Were you living at home then before you went to

15 Haut de la Garenne?

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. You say that:

18 "As I got a bit older I got into trouble and was

19 a bit of a bugger."

20 What do you mean by that?

21 A. Just silly little things and -- pilfering, if that's

22 a word to use, basically.

23 Q. You mention shoplifting.

24 A. Yes.

25 Q. Did you ever get in trouble with the police?



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1 A. Yes, a couple of times. I ended up at the Parish Hall.

2 Q. So you were the subject of Parish Hall Enquiries, were

3 you?

4 A. Yes.

5 Q. Do you remember what the outcome of those Enquiries

6 were?

7 A. Just warnings, I believe.

8 Q. I see. Then if we can go over the page please

9 {WS000498/2} you say that:

10 "When I was around 11 years old I stole some money."

11 And you describe how you had taken about £400 from

12 people who were your employers. Was that the most

13 amount of money you had ever stolen?

14 A. Yes, totally, yes.

15 Q. And you go on to say:

16 "I hid the money somewhere silly and the police

17 caught me the following day. I was arrested and

18 interviewed at the local police station ..."

19 Did you admit or deny the charges against you?

20 A. I think initially I probably would have denied it,

21 but -- acted innocent, but then I would have owned up

22 pretty quickly.

23 Q. In the interview with the police do you remember if

24 there was anyone else with you, an adult?

25 A. Can't remember.



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1 Q. You don't remember whether your mother was there, for

2 example?

3 A. No.

4 Q. Do you know at this time whether you had had any contact

5 with anybody from the Children's Office?

6 A. I remember one person, I don't know -- I remember his

7 name but obviously I can't say.

8 Q. No, you can say his name.

9 A. Mr Skinner.

10 Q. Mr Skinner. Was that at around the time that you were

11 charged --

12 A. It was all around that time. He seemed to be the

13 Child Care Officer that I saw; every time I did

14 something he just seemed to appear.

15 Q. Had you had any contact with the Children's Office as

16 far as you remember at the time you were in Brig-y-don?

17 A. No.

18 Q. But you did at this time when you were being charged?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. You then tell us briefly about your time at

21 Haut de la Garenne where you stayed for three weeks and

22 you say your only memory is being made to walk around

23 outside at night in your pyjamas with the other

24 children.

25 A. Yes, I remember that vividly.



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1 Q. Was that a single incident, or did that happen more than

2 once?

3 A. It happened on a couple of occasions.

4 Q. And in terms of you being taken to Haut de la Garenne

5 you say you were taken straight there. Was that from

6 the police station?

7 A. It was, yes.

8 Q. Were you told why you were being taken there?

9 A. Because of what I'd just been arrested for.

10 Q. What were you told about the charges against you?

11 A. I was just told I'd be in Haut de la Garenne until

12 basically I appeared in Juvenile Court.

13 Q. I see. Then you go on to say that:

14 "In July 1980 I was taken from Haut de la Garenne to

15 the Juvenile Court in order to be tried for larceny."

16 {WS000498/2}

17 Before coming on to the detail of that I just want

18 to ask you about the date. You say later in your

19 statement that you haven't had the benefit of seeing any

20 records.

21 A. None at all.

22 Q. How were you able to pinpoint the date to July of 1980?

23 A. I just remember it, I vividly -- I remember it was July.

24 I don't know why, but I remember it was July.

25 Q. And you remember the year?



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1 A. Yes. It's just something that stuck in my head.

2 Q. At the Juvenile Court do you remember by that time

3 whether you'd admitted the charges?

4 A. Yes, I had.

5 Q. Did you have an advocate?

6 A. I can't remember.

7 Q. And do you remember whether anyone from the

8 Children's Office attended on that day at court?

9 A. I think they possibly might have -- I couldn't be

10 honest.

11 Q. You say:

12 "The judge sentenced me to Les Chenes as my

13 punishment for theft. I remember the day vividly.

14 I was very upset and my mum cried hysterically in the

15 courtroom.

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. As far as the sentence was concerned, do you remember

18 what sentence was passed on you?

19 A. It wasn't -- it was a sentence and it wasn't. They sort

20 of remanded me -- sentenced/remanded me to Les Chenes.

21 I had to be at the Royal Court later on.

22 Q. And do you remember whether a time period was attached?

23 A. Not that I remember.

24 Q. No. Then you go on to say that:

25 "Once the judge had sentenced me I was taken to



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1 a side room by a few police officers where they called

2 for a police van to pick me up and take me to

3 Les Chenes."

4 You describe being upset about being taken away from

5 your mother?

6 A. I was extremely upset.

7 Q. Had anybody warned you that you might be taken to

8 Les Chenes in advance?

9 A. No.

10 Q. Did you know anything about Les Chenes?

11 A. Never heard of it.

12 Q. I see. Then if we could go over the page please

13 {WS000498/3}, you describe the journey to Les Chenes and

14 you say you remember the route they took like it was

15 yesterday.

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. Is that very vivid in your mind?

18 A. Totally.

19 Q. Tell us about what happened when you arrived there?

20 A. I arrived, I was taken out of the police van, couple of

21 police officers -- I believe they were holding -- either

22 one holding an arm, not hard but just holding me, and

23 guiding me to the door. Obviously they knocked on the

24 door, rang the bell and it was answered and I was taken

25 in.



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1 Q. Were you resisting being taken there?

2 A. I don't think I was, no. I don't remember that.

3 I think I was too upset.

4 Q. Just to be clear, how old were you at this time?

5 A. 11.

6 Q. And did you have any idea of the place that you were

7 going to?

8 A. No.

9 Q. Had you heard the words "Les Chenes"?

10 A. No. All I remember seeing is pulling up and getting out

11 of the police van was the bars on the windows and the

12 big wooden gates and that was a bit scary.

13 Q. How did you feel arriving in a police van at that

14 building?

15 A. I can't remember to be honest, just scared I would

16 imagine.

17 Q. Again as far as you can remember, in the police van was

18 there any adult with you at all apart from the police

19 officers?

20 A. I can't remember. I don't think so. I think it was

21 just police officers.

22 Q. Then when you got there you say that you think

23 Mario Lundy, the Deputy Principal, met you on arrival.

24 What happened on that first day in terms of you being

25 shown around?



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1 A. I was taken in, I was taken into [REDACTED] office,

2 I believe. [REDACTED] might very well have been there,

3 but I was obviously told certain things and what it was

4 about and there and what sort of thing I had to do and

5 sort of -- kind of a welcome, but -- really. Then I was

6 escorted, shown down there are various, down the

7 corridors, doors then locked behind me and I was like

8 "Oh, my God".

9 Q. You have described doors being locked and unlocked. Was

10 it a surprise to you to go to somewhere so secure?

11 A. At that age, yes.

12 Q. You say in your statement that you were told by Mr Lundy

13 that you would not be allowed to go home for the first

14 12 weeks. Did he explain why that was?

15 A. He must have explained, but all I remember was it was

16 the first 12 weeks, but I think it was longer for me for

17 some reason.

18 Q. What sort of impact did that have, to be told you

19 couldn't go home for --

20 A. I was devastated.

21 Q. How close were you to your mother?

22 A. Very close. We still are.

23 Q. Then you say:

24 "As it happened, I did not go home until Christmas,

25 ie after I had been there for six months." {WS000498/3}



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1 Do you know why it was you didn't get home for so

2 long?

3 A. I can't remember why.

4 Q. Later on in your statement you talk about the points

5 system that was in operation at Les Chenes.

6 A. Yes.

7 Q. And to summarise it in this way: did you have to get

8 a certain number of points to be able to go home?

9 A. Yes, we did.

10 Q. And in that first six months do you remember whether you

11 accrued enough points to get home?

12 A. I believe I did, yes; not probably every week, but I was

13 learning and I had to learn to do things and where to

14 get extra points from by doing chores and --

15 Q. But just so we are clear, in terms of you not going home

16 was it because you didn't have enough points, or do you

17 think it was for another reason?

18 A. I think it was because I wasn't allowed at that

19 particular time.

20 Q. Then you go on to describe the first day, you say:

21 "I was sent straight to the secure unit where

22 I slept for my first two weeks at Les Chenes and was

23 possibly kept in the secure unit for longer but I cannot

24 remember how long."

25 Were you told why you were being kept in the secure



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1 unit?

2 A. No, I can't remember being told. I was just told I was

3 going to be in there before I was taken up to the

4 bedrooms.

5 Q. And we've heard other evidence about the secure unit and

6 what the rooms contained. When you went into that

7 secure unit can you remember that now?

8 A. Yes.

9 Q. How did it feel?

10 A. Very lonely. It felt like it was meant to feel: a cell.

11 Q. You talk about being locked in there at night, but

12 during the day you were able to leave the secure unit

13 and mix with the other children.

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. So during the day time did you have a degree of freedom?

16 A. Yes, I was with the other children. We'd do our lessons

17 and everything and go and eat. It was only at night

18 times I was put back there for sleeping.

19 Q. Now we come on to "Daily life at Les Chenes" and again

20 the Panel has heard some evidence about the points

21 system, but I wanted to ask you this: you say you had to

22 earn at least 350 points during the week to go home.

23 A. Yes.

24 Q. And you could choose to go home either on Sunday from

25 10 am to 10 pm, or Friday 4.30 until Sunday at 10 pm.



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1 How easy did you find it to earn enough points to go

2 home at the weekend?

3 A. If you did everything correctly and your normal points

4 you would just break even and get -- just on that

5 level -- just on that amount that was required.

6 Obviously everybody tried to do extra chores -- you had

7 your chores to do which gave you extra points. It all

8 helped and obviously we could lose points as well which

9 counteracted.

10 Q. How often in your particular case were points deducted

11 from you?

12 A. I can't remember to be honest.

13 Q. And generally speaking at your time at Les Chenes, were

14 you well behaved or badly behaved, would you say?

15 A. I think I was quite well behaved.

16 Q. And could you go home every weekend, or was it only --

17 was it less often than that?

18 A. If you made your points it was pretty much you were

19 allowed every weekend. Sorry, just to -- it's not in my

20 statement. When I first went home it was only on

21 Sundays, afternoons, 4 until 7, or something like that

22 I had to be back.

23 Q. And in terms of the number of points you needed to

24 accrue, was it the same number of points for just going

25 home on a Sunday as it was for going home for the whole



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1 weekend?

2 A. I think it might have been, possibly less for going home

3 just on a Sunday.

4 Q. I see. You then talk about the points being given out

5 at the staff's discretion. Did you feel that the staff

6 were fair in how they gave out points?

7 A. Yes, I felt some of the other children were favoured

8 a bit more and ...

9 Q. Favoured more than you?

10 A. Yes.

11 Q. Did you feel that there was consistency across the staff

12 in terms of how they would hand out the points?

13 A. Yes, there was.

14 Q. Yes. Then if we could go over the page please

15 {WS000498/4}. At paragraph 13 you say this:

16 "I am sure that sometimes, some of the staff

17 deliberately prevented us from getting points."

18 Why do you say that?

19 A. I just felt that back then they didn't want us to -- if

20 we were after targets they didn't want us -- they'd put

21 stumbling blocks in our way to stop us and ...

22 Q. And were there times when you didn't go home at the

23 weekend?

24 A. Oh, absolutely.

25 Q. In an average month, say, how often do you think you



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1 would have gone home at the weekend?

2 A. I suppose I went home pretty much most weekends.

3 Q. You then talk about, in paragraph 15, spending time in

4 the secure unit and you say that you only ever remember

5 being put there once, apart from when you first arrived,

6 when you had chickenpox.

7 A. Yes.

8 Q. You say that:

9 " ... I was put in there to prevent contagion but

10 I was not locked in."

11 Do you ever remember any other occasion when you

12 were put in there?

13 A. I can't, no.

14 Q. For medical reasons, for example?

15 A. Possibly after one of my [REDACTED] when I came back.

16 Again I can't totally remember that. I remember the

17 chickenpox incident, being put in there, and obviously

18 when I first arrived.

19 Q. I want to come on to ask you about the staff at

20 Les Chenes. You say:

21 "I remember a number of members of staff at

22 Les Chenes. Some of the staff were fantastic but

23 I remember a few of them were violent bullies."

24 And you say that:

25 "The bullying and violent treatment I suffered at



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1 Les Chenes marred any good experiences."

2 I want to ask you about witness 246 and you say:

3 "He was a thug and a bully and often smelled of

4 alcohol."

5 A. Yes.

6 Q. Did you ever see him actually drinking whilst he was on

7 duty?

8 A. No.

9 Q. How strongly did he smell of alcohol?

10 A. Quite strongly sometimes.

11 Q. How obvious was it?

12 A. Blatantly.

13 Q. You also say:

14 "He was a bit of a pervert and was always leering

15 over [a particular girl, 623] ..." {WS000498/5}

16 Who you describe as "very pretty". Did any of the

17 girls complain about his treatment of them?

18 A. I can't remember. They might have to each other, but

19 they just spoke amongst themselves.

20 Q. But not to you?

21 A. No.

22 Q. Then you describe an incident where you say:

23 "Once, when I was aged 13, I had been in the boys'

24 showers and had just got out so I was dripping wet and

25 not wearing any clothes, when [246] stormed in, grabbed



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1 me by the neck and pinned me up against the wall. His

2 eyes were glazed over and he smelled strongly of

3 alcohol."

4 Had you done anything to prompt this at all?

5 A. Absolutely nothing that I can remember.

6 Q. Had you been in the company of staff member 246 before

7 this had happened?

8 A. Again, not that I can remember.

9 Q. Do you know roughly how old you were at this time?

10 A. I've got to be 13/14.

11 Q. Could we have on screen please {WD004721}. This is

12 a document taken by the States of Jersey Police,

13 a statement from witness 623, where at paragraph 18 she

14 gives an account where she says this:

15 "I remember one incident when [246] grabbed [673, so

16 that's you] by the neck and held him up against the

17 wall. He had his hand around the front of [673]'s

18 throat and he lifted [673] up off the floor and his legs

19 were just dangling there. [673] was a fragile, waif of

20 a thing, his head looked too big for his body."

21 As far as you are able to, does that sound like the

22 incident that you have just described in the showers?

23 A. Very much.

24 Q. Were you aware of -- this is a female witness -- anybody

25 witnessing this incident?



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1 A. Apart from the other two boys that were in the room and

2 obviously the teacher.

3 Q. Were the boys' showers visible from --

4 A. The same as the girls. They had the glass in the door.

5 Q. Just help us with that. Where were the showers located?

6 A. Just next to the day room.

7 Q. And you've described glass. In terms of when you were

8 taking a shower, when you were inside the shower were

9 you visible at all?

10 A. No, you weren't visible once you were inside the

11 showers. They were all partitioned off.

12 Q. But the bathroom itself --

13 A. Yes, as you walked into it it was just an open thing and

14 a shower either side and the toilets.

15 Q. And the glass partition, did that go onto a corridor, or

16 directly onto the day room?

17 A. Onto the corridor.

18 Q. So help us with this: if you were walking along the

19 corridor and one of your male friends was in the

20 bathroom but not in the shower, would you be able to see

21 him?

22 A. Yes.

23 Q. I see. Did the same apply to the girls' showers?

24 A. Yes.

25 Q. I see. Thank you.



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1 If we could go back to the statement please at

2 paragraph 20 {WS000498/5}. You then in the final

3 sentence of this paragraph talk about a similar incident

4 on another occasion in the laundry where there were no

5 witnesses. Again was this the same staff member, 246?

6 A. It was indeed, yes.

7 Q. And again do you have any idea what prompted this

8 attack?

9 A. No.

10 Q. Did he smell of alcohol on that second occasion as well?

11 A. No, he didn't.

12 Q. He didn't?

13 A. No.

14 Q. Did he explain to you after either of these occasions

15 why it was that he was punishing you?

16 A. No. It's -- sorry, it's possible I might have been

17 a bit cheeky or something, I don't know.

18 Q. But nothing that stands out in your memory now?

19 A. No.

20 Q. You then go on to describe Mario Lundy at paragraph 21.

21 You say that he was:

22 "... the Deputy Principal at Les Chenes and he was

23 a thug and a bully too. He built a gym at Les Chenes

24 and loved working out there. After he had been in the

25 gym for a session he would come out looking wild; the



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1 vein in his neck would be throbbing and his eyes bulged.

2 If you saw him like that, you knew he was ready to hurt

3 someone." {WS000498/5}

4 How often did you see Mr Lundy in that state coming

5 out of the gym?

6 A. Quite regularly.

7 Q. And what would you generally do if you saw him like

8 that?

9 A. Try and stay out of his way and say nothing to him.

10 Q. You then go on to describe an incident when you were 14

11 where he emerged from the gym in this state and you say

12 "he was clearly looking for a fight".

13 A. Yes.

14 Q. What makes you say that? What gave you that impression

15 at the time?

16 A. The way he stormed into the day room, flexing his

17 muscles and his eyes as described, bulging and the vein

18 in his neck.

19 Q. Had you done anything wrong, as far as you can remember,

20 at that time?

21 A. Not that I can remember.

22 Q. You say:

23 "He saw me in the day room and pinned me against the

24 wall when I was quite weak and fragile. As he did this

25 he screamed abuse at me which was quite common for him."



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1 Would he ever scream abuse at you without exerting

2 any physical violence on you?

3 A. Yes, he'd shout at me.

4 Q. What sort of things would he say?

5 A. He had a habit of -- he just kept mentioning that -- it

6 seemed to be just towards me, I don't know, it could

7 have been the others, but he had this habit of

8 constantly saying to me, "You're going to be in borstal,

9 you're going to be in borstal, that's all you're going

10 to be in life, that's where you're going."

11 Q. What impact did that have on you, if any?

12 A. Scared. Obviously it was threatening.

13 Q. Did you feel at the time that there was anything to

14 justify him saying that?

15 A. No, not to constantly say it, no.

16 Q. Then if we go over the page please {WS000498/6}. You

17 then mention him and witness 246 pulling children by the

18 ear.

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. Again what sort of things would prompt that behaviour?

21 A. Just kids being cheeky, or if you weren't listen --

22 paying attention, or, you know. There was one child in

23 particular he just -- he had a habit of just answering

24 back all the time and ...

25 Q. Did they ever do that to you?



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1 A. On a couple of occasions.

2 Q. And did it hurt?

3 A. Yeah.

4 Q. You then go on to talk about witness number 108 and you

5 say at paragraph 25:

6 "He was all right, but he had a vile temper."

7 {WS000498/6}

8 How did the temper come out?

9 A. Yes. I think he just inflicted the temper when he

10 wanted to, when he felt he had to play boss.

11 Q. Apart from the caning that you talk about in

12 paragraph 25, did he ever physically touch you in any

13 other way?

14 A. I don't think he did, no.

15 Q. You then go on in paragraph 27 to say that "most of the

16 staff were really good" and you give examples of various

17 different people who you say were "all nice guys". Did

18 you feel able to talk to any of those staff members

19 about the physical assaults that you've just described?

20 A. None of us felt that we could talk to the teachers.

21 Q. Why not?

22 A. Because we feared of what might come back on us, or

23 something.

24 Q. And what did you think might come back on you?

25 A. Well, if we'd complained about, ie Mr Lundy or



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1 something, and we'd gone to complain, whoever it

2 happened to be, he would just come back stronger and

3 have another go back at them.

4 Q. So you were concerned about repercussions of one sort or

5 another?

6 A. Yes.

7 Q. Did the points system have any influence on that at all?

8 A. Yeah, if you were in trouble you knew you would lose

9 a lot, a lot of points.

10 Q. And did that put you off in any way from raising your

11 concerns?

12 A. I suppose it did, yes. You just knew not to really

13 speak out.

14 Q. You also mention in paragraph 28 one particular member

15 of staff who you say was "absolutely lovely".

16 A. Yes, he was a lovely guy.

17 Q. "He was really kind and must have known what went on at

18 Les Chenes but could not say anything because if he

19 spoke out he would have been removed from Les Chenes and

20 would not have been able to help us any more. Sometimes

21 he took us fishing in his little boat which I enjoyed."

22 {WS000498/6}

23 Again did you ever mention anything to him?

24 A. No, but I think he witnessed things and I think secretly

25 he knew. It was in his head and ...



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1 Q. And was he kind to you?

2 A. He was a very very nice man.

3 Q. Now, as far as the other children at Les Chenes were

4 concerned, you say you remember a lot of the 20 or so

5 children who lived at Les Chenes.

6 A. Yes.

7 Q. Was it a reasonably stable population of people, or did

8 people come and go a lot?

9 A. It was quite stable for a while, but every now and then

10 somebody new would arrive, or somebody would leave, but

11 while I was in there it was pretty much the same group

12 virtually. I was in there before most of them so ...

13 Q. Do you keep up with any of those people now?

14 A. Yes, I do.

15 Q. And you're friends with them?

16 A. Totally, we're good friends.

17 Q. Then if we can go over the page please {WS000498/7}, you

18 talk then about the various other children who were

19 there and then in paragraph 32 you talk about

20 a "particularly disturbed child".

21 A. Yes.

22 Q. And you shared a room with him for a period. You

23 mention here an episode of self-harming and you say

24 this:

25 "When staff found him they gave us extra points for



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1 clearing up the blood and took [him] away." {WS000498/7}

2 Just tell me about that first incident. Were you

3 there in the aftermath of that incident?

4 A. It happened in the bedroom.

5 Q. And what did you find?

6 A. Blood was everywhere.

7 Q. Did you then go and call for help?

8 A. We would have, yes.

9 Q. And then just take us through what happened after that.

10 A. I believe he was just quickly taken away and I think

11 obviously probably taken to the hospital, I would

12 imagine, and obviously came back, obviously all covered

13 up and bandaged up.

14 Q. How many of you were in the bedroom, sharing?

15 A. There would have been four of us in the room.

16 Q. And who was asked to clear up the blood?

17 A. Us.

18 Q. The children?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. The people sharing the room or --

21 A. Yes.

22 Q. And did you actually do that?

23 A. Yes.

24 Q. And how did you feel about doing that?

25 A. It wasn't very nice.



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1 Q. And did you get extra points in the points system for

2 doing it?

3 A. Yes, we did.

4 Q. And then you say:

5 "He was away for a week and then returned to

6 Les Chenes and very quickly he [did the same thing]

7 again ..."

8 A. Yes, he did it downstairs in the day room where we were

9 all sat and did our lessons, he was sitting round the

10 back and did it.

11 Q. You say there were lots of children around. Did you see

12 him self-harming?

13 A. I didn't see him physically do it, but I did see it

14 happen again. We saw when he had literally done it.

15 Obviously we would have called the teachers and ...

16 Q. You say:

17 "Again we were given 50 points each for clearing up

18 the blood ..."

19 A. Yes. It was virtually all of us that were downstairs at

20 the time, we went around and cleaned it up. And

21 I remember the child using his jumper, which was part of

22 our uniform, he used that wipe it -- he was using his

23 arm to wipe it on the school worktop that we used, like

24 a desk thing. We were just asked to clean it all up

25 again.



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1 Q. After these two incidents did you talk to any of the

2 staff members about what had happened?

3 A. No, I don't think anything was really mentioned, apart

4 from obviously him -- what he had done virtually and he

5 was -- I believe he was taken away to a unit.

6 Q. Did you ever see him again after that?

7 A. No.

8 Q. Were you offered any kind of support by the staff after

9 this?

10 A. No.

11 Q. You then go on in paragraph 33 to talk about another

12 child, witness 780, who once told you that he did

13 something wrong when he was at home for Christmas and

14 because of that his mother called witness number 108 to

15 ask him to bring 780 back to Les Chenes.

16 "[780] told me that when [108] brought him back on

17 Christmas Day, he punched the hell out of him, but only

18 in the stomach where the bruises could not be seen.

19 [780] said he spent Christmas at Les Chenes alone.

20 I was not there at the time, but [780] told me what had

21 happened when I returned to Les Chenes after Christmas."

22 {WS000498/7}

23 That was obviously a particular incident involving

24 108 and 780. Did you hear any other incidents about 108

25 at all?



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1 A. Not -- yeah -- not that I can remember, apart from

2 obviously he would cane children whenever it was ...

3 Q. Okay. Then if we could go over the page please

4 {WS000498/8}. You describe here at paragraph 35 the

5 food and you say that -- first of all you say you were

6 fussy with food. Were there particular things that you

7 didn't like?

8 A. I was very fussy back then. I still am to a degree.

9 I'd say probably as I've described: liver, and whatever,

10 a few things.

11 Q. Just tell us what would happen if you didn't eat that

12 food the first time round?

13 A. We were -- I would be -- if one of the teachers, as

14 mentioned, was on duty, he would try and physically

15 force me to eat it.

16 Q. How would he do that?

17 A. Stand over me.

18 Q. Would that work? I mean would you eat the food?

19 A. I had no choice.

20 Q. What happened if you didn't eat the food?

21 A. Just got a clip and shouted at.

22 Q. Let's turn now to some positive memories that you have

23 of Les Chenes and you talk about sports day every

24 Thursday afternoon. Was there a physical sports field,

25 or sports facilities?



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1 A. Yeah, we had a field and there was also what we call

2 a ball court. You could play tennis in there as well

3 and volleyball or something.

4 Q. Was that a concrete area?

5 A. Yes, it was. But it was all fenced off.

6 Q. So when you went into the ball court was it a locked

7 area, or could you get in and out?

8 A. You could get in and out of the school to the day room

9 to it, but you couldn't get out of the gate onto the

10 grass area.

11 Q. As far as the sports field was concerned was that

12 an open area?

13 A. Yes.

14 Q. You talk about playing football against the staff. Were

15 those matches played in good spirit generally?

16 A. Generally, yes. I loved it.

17 Q. You also talk about being taken to Fort Regent to play

18 badminton.

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. How often would that happen?

21 A. At the time it was every Tuesday or something, if

22 I remember rightly. Once a week.

23 Q. Were those outings that you looked forward to?

24 A. Yeah, they were good.

25 Q. Did you get out very much apart from that?



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1 A. Yes, I did.

2 Q. What sort of things would you do?

3 A. I would do the badminton. I know a lot of the other

4 students used to go surfing as well, but for some reason

5 I wasn't -- because I couldn't swim I was not allowed to

6 go and do that aspect of things, which was fine.

7 Q. If we can go over the page please {WS000498/9}, you say

8 you particularly enjoyed playing sport at Les Chenes and

9 you talk about 246 taking you out, doing a particular

10 activity where he was in his element.

11 A. Yes.

12 Q. You say that:

13 " ... he was like a different person on those

14 occasions."

15 Did you see a different side to him then?

16 A. Oh, absolutely, totally different.

17 Q. And was he ever physically violent on those outings?

18 A. No, never. Well, for one he would have been in public

19 view, so ...

20 Q. Did you notice a change in his behaviour when you were

21 out in public versus being --

22 A. Yes.

23 Q. -- inside the locked rooms of Les Chenes?

24 A. Yes, he was a totally calmer demeanour.

25 Q. Then this at paragraph 39, you say:



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1 "None of us said anything about the abuse that we

2 suffered at Les Chenes because we did not want to

3 jeopardise our chance of going home by having points

4 deducted, or make our experience at Les Chenes any

5 worse."

6 You have said a few moments ago that you didn't feel

7 that there were any staff that you could realistically

8 talk to.

9 A. Yes.

10 Q. Was there anybody else that you might have been able to

11 talk to?

12 A. No. I mean I certainly didn't tell my parents, or when

13 I went home at the weekend, because I knew the way my

14 family would react.

15 Q. What do you this I they would have done?

16 A. My mother would have gone ballistic and it would

17 probably have come -- and the reason I didn't say

18 anything, it would have probably come back on me, that

19 was my thought. If I had told her she'd have phoned up

20 the school or gone up there, I'd have been pulled aside

21 and said "What are you going home saying blah blah blah

22 for?" and it'd have come back on me; I'd have probably

23 lost points and something like that happened. So it was

24 a fear thing really.

25 Q. When you came to leave care, which you deal with in



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1 paragraphs 40 and 41, again do you remember whether you

2 had any help from the Children's Office in deciding what

3 you were going to do with your future?

4 A. No, I can't remember that.

5 Q. Did anyone from Les Chenes give you help?

6 A. Just possibly advice.

7 Q. You say that you got yourself a job before your CSE exam

8 results even came out.

9 A. Yes.

10 Q. Is that something you did off your own bat?

11 A. Yes.

12 Q. You say you hated the work, but it allowed you to leave

13 Les Chenes. What was your understanding, if you hadn't

14 got a job would you have had to stay at Les Chenes, or

15 do you think you would have been able to go?

16 A. Probably until -- I think we had to stay until you

17 either got a job, or you enrolled in college.

18 Q. And then you say you subsequently achieved eight CSEs

19 and you started a course at Highlands College. Just in

20 terms of the application process, again was any help

21 given to you by the staff at Les Chenes?

22 A. No, because I'd left -- by the time I applied for

23 college I was already out of Les Chenes so I did it off

24 my own bat, I applied to the college directly.

25 Q. You say that when you left Les Chenes you moved back



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1 home with your family. How did that feel after four and

2 a half years of being --

3 A. Amazing.

4 Q. Amazing in what way?

5 A. I just felt relieved and free and --

6 Q. And what was it like to be able to move from room to

7 room without going through locked doors?

8 A. Brilliant.

9 Q. What about friendships, did you manage to rekindle

10 friendships from earlier in your childhood once you had

11 gone home?

12 A. Yeah. Yeah. Because obviously when I'd gone home at

13 weekends and obviously we'd play and whatever.

14 Q. Then we move on to Children's Services and you say:

15 "I do not remember having a Child Care Officer or

16 meeting anyone from Children's Services. The police

17 took me to Les Chenes and my mum took me from Les Chenes

18 when I left. I do not remember anyone else being

19 involved." {WS000498/9}

20 So just so we are clear, in that four and a half

21 year period do you remember anyone from

22 Children's Services popping in to visit you?

23 A. Not at all. It is possible that somebody did come, but

24 I've got no recollection.

25 Q. You then go on to describe weekly reports being written



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1 about the children and you say you never saw them. How

2 did you know of the existence of these weekly reports?

3 A. Because they had a book, like a diary sort of thing.

4 Q. And just describe that book?

5 A. I think it was a black book and I remember distinctly it

6 had a -- our points system, they were on yellow cards

7 which we all had and on the front of this black book the

8 teachers had, the diary as such, they had a pink card.

9 That's where you lost points. They would write your

10 name on it and how many points they'd taken off you.

11 Q. Just in terms of the physical nature of this book, how

12 big was it?

13 A. Like a normal standard A4 diary size.

14 Q. And the weekly reports, do you know who would write

15 them?

16 A. I would imagine they had been written -- collated by the

17 teachers, or done by Mr Lundy or who else, whoever.

18 Q. Do you know what happened to the reports?

19 A. I would just imagine they were just kept and filed,

20 I would imagine, in the office.

21 Q. Then if we could go over the page please {WS000498/10}.

22 I'd like to ask you now about your involvement with

23 third parties. You say:

24 "I am interested in obtaining documents related to

25 my childhood from the States of Jersey Police and from



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1 Children's Services. I recently spoke to Sue Doyle from

2 Children's Services in Jersey, who said that I am not

3 entitled to see my Social Services records without

4 a lawyer."

5 How did that conversation come up? Did you see

6 Sue Doyle in person?

7 A. No, I was given her name.

8 Q. Did you speak to her on the telephone?

9 A. Yes, I phoned her up.

10 Q. And what did you tell her?

11 A. I explained I'd been to Les Chenes and I would -- is

12 there a possibility of me having my records.

13 Q. Did you give your name?

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. As accurately as you can, just tell us what she said.

16 A. She said, "I can't give you the records", she went, "But

17 if you have a lawyer they can come to me and approach me

18 and I'll get them."

19 Q. Did you accept that answer?

20 A. I said "Yes fine" because I knew -- I'd been given

21 an answer that yes, somehow I could get hold of them.

22 Q. Have you got a lawyer?

23 A. I haven't, no.

24 Q. So have you been able to get those records?

25 A. No.



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1 Q. Have you written any form of letter to

2 Children's Services to ask for the records?

3 A. No. Sorry, when I did come to make my statements, the

4 lady who saw me, one of the team, I did say to her if,

5 you know -- I sort of kind of gave her permission if she

6 wanted -- if she could do it, then fine.

7 Q. You say that you are concerned that the States of Jersey

8 are preventing you from accessing your records. What's

9 your concern in relation to that?

10 A. I just don't think they want me to see them.

11 Q. Then in relation to the records from the Juvenile Court

12 and the Royal Court you say:

13 "I do not believe I was sentenced to a specific

14 period of time in Les Chenes. I was 11 years old when

15 I was sentenced and I would have remembered being

16 sentenced to four and a half years because it would have

17 seemed a very long time to me then. I would like to

18 know what the legal basis was for me spending four and

19 a half years at Les Chenes." {WS000498/10}

20 Just to be clear, have you seen any of your legal

21 records at all?

22 A. Never.

23 Q. No, okay. Then in relation to paragraph 46 you say that

24 you are in touch with other people who you spent time

25 with at Les Chenes:



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1 " ... and we have all talked about what happened in

2 our childhoods, but all the evidence I have provided to

3 the Inquiry in this statement is from my own

4 recollection."

5 A. Yes.

6 Q. On that, did you talk with the other former residents

7 about any specific incidents?

8 A. No.

9 Q. I want to come on now to paragraph 47 where you say

10 this:

11 "In around 2008, two well dressed men came into my

12 place of employment."

13 And you say that you were working in a shop at the

14 time and assumed these men were customers:

15 "They asked who I was and introduced themselves as

16 police officers from Somerset who were investigating

17 Les Chenes. I told them that I did not remember much

18 because it was a long time ago." {WS000498/10}

19 Now, when these police officers arrived did you know

20 that they were going to come?

21 A. I had no warning. They just walked into the shop.

22 Q. And you described it as a shop. What were you doing

23 when they came?

24 A. I was sitting down behind the counter, by the till.

25 Q. Were there other staff members there?



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1 A. No, it was a small shop. I was manning the shop on my

2 own.

3 Q. Were there any customers there?

4 A. Not at that time, no.

5 Q. Did any customers come in during the course --

6 A. They didn't actually, no, but I was anxious that

7 somebody would.

8 Q. What did they ask you about your time at Les Chenes?

9 A. They asked me if I'd been to -- who I was, had I been to

10 Les Chenes and could I tell them if I had anything to

11 say.

12 Q. And what did you say to them?

13 A. I told them about the shower incident, but I think at

14 the time I'd have probably said -- probably because

15 I was at my place of work I was conscious of somebody

16 walking in. I said "Look, I don't want to take this any

17 further", or "I just want ..."

18 Q. Did it come as a surprise to you to be approached in

19 that way?

20 A. Totally. There was no pre-warning, no phone call, just

21 two gentlemen -- don't get me wrong, they were

22 fantastic, they were very polite, very respectful.

23 Q. I'm just going to take you to the document that they

24 produced. If we could have on screen {WD004724}. You

25 will see here on the screen -- I think you've got



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1 a paper copy there, but also on the screen, "Action

2 record print" and the title is:

3 "[673] re any abuse he may have suffered whilst

4 resident."

5 Then you will see in that top box:

6 "[145, that's a different person ] states that [673]

7 was assaulted by [246] at Les Chenes. The assault took

8 place in the shower area."

9 Was that the event you described earlier in your

10 evidence?

11 A. Yes.

12 Q. Then we see at the bottom of the same box:

13 "Updated on 3 June 2008.

14 "[621] states that [673, that's you] was present

15 when [622] was given 'pinball' treatment and dragged

16 away by [108] causing injuries. This occurred whilst

17 they were at Les Chenes."

18 Just to be clear, that's evidence given by somebody

19 called 621.

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. Does the phrase "pinball treatment" mean anything to

22 you?

23 A. Very much.

24 Q. What is that?

25 A. Just being basically -- some furniture being moved



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1 around and being pushed around by Mr Lundy mainly and --

2 Q. And anybody else?

3 A. And another teacher.

4 Q. We have a reference here to 108 causing injuries in this

5 way. Help us with this: were you ever subject to this

6 "pinball treatment"?

7 A. Yes.

8 Q. Where did it take place?

9 A. In Mario Lundy's office.

10 Q. And did it happen more than once, or just once, as far

11 as you can remember?

12 A. I think just the once, on a one-to-one basis with me,

13 but there were other times I would have been like pushed

14 against the walls, or -- by him or ...

15 Q. And just take us through what happened on that

16 particular occasion?

17 A. I can't remember what it was I was in there for, but

18 I was in there, he was obviously shouting at me, abuse,

19 whatever he was shouting and as he was doing it his fist

20 was clenched and he was just pushing me against --

21 bounce -- that's why it was "pinball" because we were

22 just bouncing back off the walls, like a pinball.

23 That's the way we could describe it, like a pinball.

24 Q. Did you try to defend yourself?

25 A. I tried to protect my chest because obviously -- things.



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1 That's why I had to protect it.

2 Q. You've described earlier the moving of furniture. Was

3 there any moving of furniture on that occasion?

4 A. I don't think there was, no.

5 Q. Do you have any idea how long that went on for?

6 A. That one incident?

7 Q. Yes.

8 A. A good ten minutes or so.

9 Q. Were you physically injured?

10 A. Not in a way that I couldn't walk, obviously, I was just

11 pushed against the walls and came back and pushed back

12 again.

13 Q. Did he speak to you during the time he was doing this?

14 A. It wasn't speaking, it was shouting.

15 Q. Did there come a time when he let you leave the office?

16 A. Yes, when he'd obviously said his piece and was

17 finished.

18 Q. And after this again did you feel that there was

19 anything you could do about what had happened?

20 A. No.

21 Q. Then if we can read further down the page in the bottom

22 box, "Result of action". It isn't very clear in the

23 redacted copy, but it says that 673 was interviewed and

24 it first of all says that he stated that:

25 "... he was against the wall by 246 but the



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1 intervention of [somebody called 179] diffused the

2 incident."

3 It goes on to say this:

4 "He has not witnessed any assaults by either [108]

5 or Mario Lundy. In fact he cannot speak highly enough

6 of both of them."

7 Did you say that to the officers?

8 A. I believe I did at the time, yes.

9 Q. You've told us something different today. Can you help

10 us with which account firstly you would like the Panel

11 to prefer?

12 A. The latest, up-to-date one.

13 Q. Why do you think you told them something different on

14 the day?

15 A. At the time I just didn't really want to know, or get

16 involved, but as I've seen the Inquiry happening --

17 I mean you'd be living on the moon if you hadn't noticed

18 the Inquiry going on here in Jersey. I felt it right.

19 Some of the people who I attended the school with, they

20 have contacted me, they have spoken to me and I thought

21 "Right, I will say the truth now" and I wanted to say

22 something.

23 Q. At this time when you were seen by the police

24 in June 2008 the note records that due to the passing of

25 time you did not wish to make a statement. Do you



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1 remember whether you were invited to make a statement?

2 A. I don't remember.

3 Q. It says:

4 "He speaks highly of his time in Les Chenes and sees

5 it as a turning point in his life."

6 Does that have any truth to it?

7 A. It does indeed, only for the fact -- I mean don't get me

8 wrong, there were some fantastic days there. It was

9 okay. If I hadn't been there I wouldn't be --

10 I strongly think I wouldn't be who I am today and where

11 I am today in life. I think I would have gone on to be

12 a troublemaker basically, so it did something and it

13 gave me an education, which I'm grateful for.

14 Q. And just on the education, how well did you think you

15 were taught at Les Chenes?

16 A. Very well.

17 Q. Do you remember whether it was better or worse than the

18 school that you'd been to previously?

19 A. Well, I'd gone straight from -- I'd only been to primary

20 school so --

21 Q. So as far as your senior education was concerned, that

22 was all you knew?

23 A. Yes.

24 Q. Yes. If we could come back to your statement please,

25 {WS000498/11}, paragraph 48, you say:



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1 "I am now glad I went to Les Chenes because without

2 the discipline it taught me, I could have become

3 involved in more crime and my life now could be very

4 different."

5 A. Yes.

6 Q. "I may well have found myself in and out of

7 La Moye Prison if I had not been put on the right track

8 at Les Chenes."

9 So standing back from the experience overall, was it

10 a positive or negative experience for you?

11 A. I'd have to say both really. It had its point of -- it

12 sorted me, it straightened me out, but there were things

13 in there that just shouldn't have happened. That's not

14 how you should be towards children.

15 Q. And what about the impact on your life with your own

16 immediate family?

17 A. It's made me become what I believe is a very good dad.

18 I listen. I don't really punish them.

19 Q. And what about with your mother and your sister?

20 A. Oh, we're very close.

21 Q. And you say:

22 "I would like to understand why I was in Les Chenes

23 for so long for what seemed to me to be a petty crime."

24 {WS000498/11}

25 Looking back on it now, do you think it was



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1 proportionate for you to spend four and a half years in

2 Les Chenes?

3 A. Maybe not as long, but I can also understand what it

4 achieved. You know, while I was being there it achieved

5 its goal, it put me straight and narrow, so maybe it was

6 the right thing.

7 Q. Tell the Panel why it is you have come forward to give

8 evidence to the Inquiry?

9 A. I just believe that people need to hear these things and

10 there are a few of my friends that are no longer around,

11 they can't speak.

12 Q. You say they are unable to speak to the Inquiry and

13 you think it is "important that all of the children's

14 stories are heard". Is it the case that there are some

15 people who have passed away --

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. -- that you knew at the time that you were in

18 Les Chenes?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. You then go on to talk about your own family

21 circumstances and you say that you have seen witness 246

22 and Mario Lundy around Jersey on odd occasions since you

23 left Les Chenes.

24 A. Yes.

25 Q. And they are always friendly to you and ask you how you



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1 are.

2 A. Indeed, yes.

3 Q. And you say -- I think there is a typo in your

4 statement, but if I can ask you to clarify. The last

5 sentence in paragraph 51 says this:

6 "I do hold a grudge against them because of the

7 things that happened at Les Chenes."

8 Is that accurate?

9 A. Yes.

10 Q. You do hold a grudge?

11 A. (Nods).

12 Q. Yes, okay. The Panel in due course will be considering

13 recommendations for the future of child care in Jersey.

14 In terms of your experience is there anything that you

15 want to say to them about the recommendations that they

16 may make for the future?

17 A. Not really, not that I can think off the top of my head.

18 Obviously just for children to be safe. You know, if

19 they're in a home, they're there for -- whatever reason

20 they're there, they're there to be cared for. That's

21 the main issue.

22 Q. Mr B, thank you very much. Those are all the questions

23 I have of you. I'm sure the Panel will have some.

24 THE CHAIR: Mr B, there are. As I indicated we will be

25 taking a break. Would you be all right to continue, or



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1 would you like a break now?

2 A. Just a little break.

3 THE CHAIR: Yes of course. Take your time. There will be

4 just a few questions from the Panel, but not as long

5 obviously as we have had. Just take your time, you will

6 be given refreshment and when you are ready we will come

7 back.


9 (11.15 am)

10 (A short break)

11 (11.30 am)

12 THE CHAIR: Mr B, are you happy to continue?

13 A. Yes, indeed.

14 Questions from THE PANEL

15 THE CHAIR: Can I just ask you, you spoke about your

16 attempts to access your records of your time,

17 particularly at Les Chenes, and you spoke of a telephone

18 conversation with Sue Doyle; when was that, can you

19 remember approximately?

20 A. I think it was the week I came to do my statement.

21 THE CHAIR: Your statement to ..?

22 A. My first statement to the Inquiry. It might have even

23 been the day before possibly, or a couple of days

24 before.

25 THE CHAIR: So recently?



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1 A. Yes.

2 THE CHAIR: Thank you. You were asked about 2008 when you

3 said to the Panel that at your place of employment two

4 officers suddenly appeared and you fairly said that they

5 were courteous to you.

6 A. Yes.

7 THE CHAIR: But had there been no indication beforehand that

8 they wanted to see you?

9 A. No. I never received a call or anything.

10 THE CHAIR: No phone call, no communication, nothing?

11 A. No, just two gentlemen, smartly dressed, strolled into

12 the shop.

13 THE CHAIR: How long at that stage, in 2008, had you been

14 resident at your home where you were then staying? Had

15 you been at that house for some time?

16 A. The house?

17 THE CHAIR: Yes, wherever you lived at that time --

18 A. Yes, I had been there for a while.

19 THE CHAIR: But no indication other than just arriving.

20 What time of day did they arrive?

21 A. Mid-morning I think.

22 THE CHAIR: And how long did they stay?

23 A. 15 minutes maximum, maybe slightly longer.

24 THE CHAIR: My last question, Mr B, you said that you felt

25 able to come because of the Inquiry undertaking its work



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1 and that you felt it right to tell the truth now. Why

2 is that so important, as far as you are concerned?

3 A. I just think it's very important for the Inquiry and the

4 people that are in legal situations to know what

5 happened.

6 THE CHAIR: What, if anything, has given you the confidence

7 to come forward now?

8 A. Because of possibly friends and, you know, and -- as

9 I said, I think some of them who are no longer around,

10 I think something needed to be said on their behalf.

11 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Mr B. That's all my questions.

12 A. Thank you.

13 THE CHAIR: I know there will be some questions --

14 Ms Leslie.

15 MS LESLIE: Hello, Mr B.

16 A. Hello.

17 MS LESLIE: You told us about the time when you had

18 chickenpox and you were sort of quarantined in the

19 secure unit.

20 A. Yes.

21 MS LESLIE: There were other times presumably when, because

22 of a long-standing condition, you were unwell. Where

23 were you looked after those times?

24 A. It's possible I was put in the secure suite as well for

25 my own welfare. I can't really remember that.



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1 I remember going in there when I arrived and I remember

2 the chickenpox incident. Possibly I was put in there

3 when I wasn't well, that one particular incident.

4 MS LESLIE: Can you tell us about the times that you were

5 unwell. What sort of care/nursing was there for you?

6 A. I was always looked after, I always had hospital

7 appointments, whatever need be.

8 MS LESLIE: And if you were unwell at Les Chenes did someone

9 stay with you while you were unwell, while you were in

10 bed?

11 A. Not while I was in bed really. I mean obviously

12 I believe there would have been a few occasions when my

13 GP would have been called up or ...

14 MS LESLIE: Okay. My next question is about the gym you

15 told us about that Mario Lundy built. Can you tell us

16 a bit more about that?

17 A. It was just a -- originally it was like a courtyard,

18 because grapes were hanging out there and they just

19 cleared all that and they just -- between himself and

20 I think some of the students and that, they built --

21 turned it into a gym.

22 MS LESLIE: And did it have equipment in it?

23 A. Yes, it did.

24 MS LESLIE: And did Mr Lundy or staff members use it on

25 their own, or did they always use it with some of the



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1 students?

2 A. Both. Mr Lundy would use it on his own at times and

3 sometimes there were certain times -- some evenings

4 even, some of the boys obviously went in and used the

5 equipment.

6 MS LESLIE: Okay. You told us about the routine of keeping

7 weekly records, weekly reports. Did anyone sit down

8 with you and go through the report and discuss your

9 progress with you?

10 A. Never.

11 MS LESLIE: Did you have access to the reports? Were you

12 able to read them?

13 A. No.

14 MS LESLIE: Okay. My last question relates to some other

15 evidence we've heard. Yesterday we had a witness,

16 Mr Edward Walton, who gave evidence in public. Was he

17 a contemporary of yours?

18 A. I knew -- he was there when I arrived, but I don't think

19 he was there for long.

20 MS LESLIE: Thank you.

21 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Ms Leslie. Professor Cameron.

22 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Thank you. Hello, Mr B. Going a long

23 way back now to when you were quite young and you went

24 to Brig-y-don, and you may well not have a recollection

25 of this, but do you have any memory of how you got



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1 there? Did your mother take you? Did anyone else

2 arrange that? Was anybody else involved?

3 A. I think my mum took me up there and obviously introduced

4 me and everything.

5 PROFESSOR CAMERON: And did she explain to you why you were

6 going there?

7 A. I kind of knew because -- yeah because I couldn't stay

8 with her because she obviously only had a bedsit, so she

9 could not look after me.

10 PROFESSOR CAMERON: But you only remember that as something

11 your mother arranged rather than any Children's Officer

12 being involved?

13 A. It might have been arranged through the

14 Children's Office obviously because of the scenario.

15 PROFESSOR CAMERON: You don't seem to have any recollection

16 of any of this time, all through your kind of history

17 and then through Les Chenes, of Children's Officers

18 being involved. Have you got any recollection at all?

19 A. Honestly I haven't. I'm quite sure there probably were

20 at times, there would probably have had to have been.

21 PROFESSOR CAMERON: But they are not individuals that stand

22 out in your memory?

23 A. No, there's none that stand out to me, barring one of

24 them I think I mentioned.

25 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Okay, we can check that. You got into



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1 trouble and landed in the Court because you were

2 stealing.

3 A. Yes.

4 PROFESSOR CAMERON: It was at the time what would have been

5 quite a significant amount of money.

6 A. Yes.

7 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Are you able to say why you were doing

8 that?

9 A. Just being a naughty boy. I got a kick out of it and --

10 PROFESSOR CAMERON: It wasn't that there was a need for

11 money in the family or --

12 A. No.

13 PROFESSOR CAMERON: It was just something you were doing.

14 A. Yes, just me being me.

15 PROFESSOR CAMERON: You appeared at the Juvenile Court and

16 then were taken from there to the police station and

17 then to Les Chenes. You said that that was until you

18 appeared at the Royal Court.

19 A. Yes.

20 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Do you remember going to the

21 Royal Court?

22 A. Yes indeed.

23 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Can you remember what was said to you at

24 the Royal Court about what their decision was?

25 A. That's when the actual sentence was passed. The



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1 Juvenile Court sort of remanded me to Les Chenes, but it

2 was the actual Royal Court that finally gave a sentence,

3 but I can't -- that's where I can't remember if he said

4 I had to stay there for my entire education until I left

5 school or for a period of time; I can't remember. I do

6 remember going to court and obviously being found

7 guilty -- I pleaded guilty anyway.

8 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Do you remember whether you had any

9 legal representation when you were at the Court?

10 A. I think I did, yes, but I can't remember.

11 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Did anyone write a report for the Court?

12 Was there a social worker or a Probation Officer perhaps

13 who spoke to you and wrote a report that the Royal Court

14 had?

15 A. Again possibly -- there probably might have been.

16 PROFESSOR CAMERON: But not that you remember?

17 A. Not that I remember.

18 PROFESSOR CAMERON: The gym that Ms Leslie asked you about

19 and you said that was built, was that used by the young

20 people in the unit?

21 A. Yes.

22 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Predominantly or --

23 A. Well, Mr Lundy used it a lot more.

24 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Were you able to use it at your own kind

25 of choice, or ..?



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1 A. No, it would be certain times. I personally was unable

2 to -- couldn't use it.

3 PROFESSOR CAMERON: But you liked playing football?

4 A. I love football.

5 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Did you get the chance to play football

6 outside of Les Chenes?

7 A. Only -- one of the teachers, he would take us up to

8 Beeches football ground, which is right next to

9 Les Chenes, because he was involved with them, so he

10 took us onto their football field which was next to the

11 school. That was about it.

12 PROFESSOR CAMERON: But you weren't given any opportunity to

13 play for another football team or play against schools

14 or anything else?

15 A. No, no. Well, we had one incident when some schools

16 came in. I don't have much recollection -- I remember

17 it sort of happening. It was a little sort of

18 mini competition.

19 PROFESSOR CAMERON: And the incident where the young person

20 self-harmed themselves and there was blood to be cleaned

21 up, how did you clean the blood up? Were you given

22 equipment to do that?

23 A. Yes, cloths and ... washing down.

24 PROFESSOR CAMERON: How many of you were involved in that?

25 A. In the bedroom there would have been the four of us.



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1 There might have been one or two others -- even

2 a teacher might probably have helped.

3 PROFESSOR CAMERON: So I take it from that that there was

4 a lot of blood?

5 A. Yes.

6 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Had an ambulance been called?

7 A. I would imagine he would have been called an ambulance

8 and taken to hospital, yes.

9 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Thank you very much. I have no other

10 questions, thank you.

11 THE CHAIR: Just following on from Professor Cameron's

12 question, do you know what was used to self-harm?

13 A. I think he used a stanley blade from a stanley knife he

14 got from the woodwork room.

15 THE CHAIR: Ms Jerram, are there any questions arising from

16 the Panel's questions?

17 MS JERRAM: No, there are no further questions, but just to

18 remind you, Members of the Panel, that in relation to

19 the Children's Officer who was mentioned, that was

20 Mr Skinner who was mentioned earlier in the evidence,

21 but I have no follow on questions, thank you.

22 THE CHAIR: Mr B, thank you for coming to the Inquiry --

23 A. Thank you very much.

24 THE CHAIR: -- to give us your account and on behalf of the

25 Panel can I thank you in particular for your



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1 contribution to the work of this Independent Inquiry.

2 If you just wait there and again we will allow time to

3 clear the hearing room.

4 A. Okay, thank you very much.

5 MS JERRAM: Members of the Panel, just to assist you, there

6 is another anonymous witness this morning and I would

7 suggest that we sit not before 12 o'clock with that

8 second witness, who I am also taking.

9 THE CHAIR: Thank you. We will say we will sit again at

10 12 o'clock, but, Mr B, that's not to rush you in any

11 way. You take your time and any further refreshment or

12 words that you need will be available for you.

13 A. Okay, thank you kindly.

14 (11.40 am)

15 (A short break)

16 (12.25 pm)

17 THE CHAIR: Yes, Ms Jerram.

18 MS JERRAM: Good afternoon, Members of the Panel. We are

19 now hearing from a further anonymous witness, Mrs X, who

20 will take the oath.

21 Witness 624 (sworn)

22 THE CHAIR: Thank you very much, Mrs X. Just sit down and

23 make yourself comfortable. I'm sure that counsel has

24 told you, but any breaks that you need just indicate.

25 We are here for you in your own time to tell us your



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1 story, so at any point -- but we will take at the very

2 least a break in about 45/50 minutes, but if you need

3 more, just say.

4 A. Thank you.

5 THE CHAIR: When you're ready, Ms Jerram will start with

6 some questions.

7 A. That's fine.


9 MS JERRAM: Mrs X, firstly could you just confirm the year

10 of your birth please.

11 A. 1967.

12 Q. Thank you. We are going to get onto the screen your

13 Inquiry witness statement, which is {WS000509} and that

14 will appear on the screen in front of you. You will see

15 that the final page of this statement -- did you sign

16 this statement on 3 March 2015?

17 A. Yes.

18 Q. And is the statement true to the best of your knowledge

19 and belief?

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. Thank you very much. Could we go please to the first

22 page of the statement {WS000509/1}. You set out here

23 the background before you came into care, explaining

24 that you lived with your mum and step-dad and sisters,

25 and that yours was "not the best life" and in particular



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1 that you were sexually abused throughout your childhood

2 and that you ended up being taken into care.

3 I want to ask you firstly about what you say in

4 paragraph 3. You say:

5 "I am not sure whether mum knew about the abuse,

6 although I do wonder whether part of the reason for me

7 being sent to Les Chenes was to protect me from it."

8 Did you ever talk to your mother about being sent to

9 Les Chenes?

10 A. Yeah, I asked her why I was -- she came and told me that

11 I was going to a special place and I asked why and she

12 told me the Court said I had to, and I said I didn't

13 want to go and she said she had no choice but to send me

14 because the Court said I had to go.

15 Q. And did you ever go to the Court?

16 A. No.

17 Q. Then if we could go over the page in the statement

18 please {WS000509/2}. The at paragraph 5 you say you

19 were "quite a troubled and badly behaved child". How

20 did that show itself in your behaviour?

21 A. I don't think I was actually that bad. I think I was

22 just a normal child that -- yeah, I had problems,

23 I fought with my sisters, didn't like school and I just

24 played up.

25 Q. Did you regard yourself as being anything out of the



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1 ordinary?

2 A. I wouldn't have said so, apart from the one time I got

3 drunk.

4 Q. Was that a one-off occasion --

5 A. Yes.

6 Q. -- you getting drunk? We will come on to that in

7 a minute. I just want to ask you about paragraph 5.

8 You have explained in your statement that your parents

9 arranged [REDACTED] and a doctor came. Did you know

10 those two people?

11 A. I knew one of the doctors -- I knew the doctor, but

12 I didn't know the [REDACTED]. But for years I thought

13 I had actually dreamt it. I didn't think it had

14 actually happened. I thought it was just in my

15 imagination and then one of my sisters told me it

16 actually did happen.

17 Q. And the doctor that you recognised, was that a doctor

18 you'd seen before?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. And what about the [REDACTED]?

21 A. No.

22 Q. Okay.

23 A. Because we weren't a [REDACTED].

24 Q. Did you go to [REDACTED] then as a matter of routine?

25 A. No.



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1 Q. Okay. You also talk about going to visit a psychiatric

2 unit.

3 A. Yes.

4 Q. And you say in your statement that you went there on two

5 occasions. When you were at the psychiatric unit did

6 you ever volunteer the fact that you were being sexually

7 abused?

8 A. No.

9 Q. Did you feel able to talk to the doctors and nurses

10 there?

11 A. I never told anybody for years and years. I didn't even

12 know my sisters were.

13 Q. You then go on to describe at paragraph 7 the events

14 that led to you being sent to the psychiatric unit and

15 you talk about knocking back some alcohol that you found

16 in the house of your friend and you went to a nearby

17 [REDACTED] and collapsed.

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. Were you taken directly from there to the psychiatric

20 unit?

21 A. Well, what I know is that they took me home, they phoned

22 a doctor to come down and then I remember hearing the

23 doctor on the phone to the psychiatric unit saying that

24 I was going to be admitted and then I think I just

25 flipped out, I don't know, I can't remember too much



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1 about it.

2 Q. What sort of age were you there?

3 A. That was when I was about 13. It might have been before

4 that because I remember having my 13th birthday in the

5 psychiatric unit.

6 Q. And you say in paragraph 7 that you remained in the unit

7 for a couple of months, but you do not remember a great

8 deal about it.

9 A. No.

10 Q. You go on to say:

11 "I have since asked my GP and psychiatrist for

12 copies of my medical records, but they have never

13 provided them." {WS000509/2}

14 What have you been told about those medical records?

15 A. If I want them I have to pay a pound a sheet and my

16 hospital files are already like three folders. I've

17 never seen any of my psychiatric reports, or anything,

18 and I haven't got the money to get them.

19 Q. Do you know how many pages there are then?

20 A. They just told me there was loads, that they still had

21 them because at first one psychiatrist told me that they

22 might not have them any more and she checked and she

23 said they still have them, but there was hundreds and

24 hundreds of sheets.

25 Q. I see, thank you. If we can go over the page please



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1 {WS000509/3}. You say at paragraph 10 that the doctors

2 put you on tablets and you say you're not sure what they

3 were for. Were you taking those tablets during the time

4 you were in the unit, as far as you remember?

5 A. Yes.

6 Q. Did you carry on taking them afterwards?

7 A. No. When I went to Les Chenes they stopped me.

8 Q. Do you remember who stopped you taking the tablets?

9 A. I don't know, but I remember being -- not long after

10 I went to Les Chenes -- one of the boys I hadn't --

11 I was actually in the psychiatric unit with, I didn't

12 actually get on and he was winding me up and everything

13 and I asked if I could go back on my tablets and I was

14 told, "No, you're at Les Chenes now, deal with it."

15 Q. And did you carry on seeing a psychiatrist?

16 A. No, I've never seen them: after I went to Les Chenes

17 I saw no one.

18 Q. Was there any other kind of doctor at Les Chenes?

19 A. No.

20 Q. So once you'd been told by the staff member that you

21 couldn't go back on your tablets was there anything else

22 you could do about that?

23 A. No, what they said went.

24 Q. Now, in relation to paragraph 11 you' already told us

25 about your mother referring to Les Chenes as a special



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1 place and being ordered to go there by the Court. Did

2 you know anything about Les Chenes before you went

3 there?

4 A. Never heard of it.

5 Q. And did you know what to expect at all?

6 A. No.

7 Q. At the time when you were in the psychiatric unit do you

8 remember ever being visited by somebody from

9 Children's Services?

10 A. I think Ms Inglis, I think that was her name, may have

11 come -- no, she actually -- the only time she came was

12 when she came to take me to Les Chenes.

13 Q. As far as you can recall, had you ever met her before

14 that time?

15 A. I think I had met her once.

16 Q. And then we deal with you going to Les Chenes in 1982

17 and you say you were about 13 or 14:

18 "I remember being terrified arriving there for the

19 first time. Ms Inglis, the social worker, took me there

20 by car. When we arrived the doors were unlocked and two

21 of the staff, [112] and Mr Lundy, escorted me in.

22 I felt like I was being thrown to the wolves. I had no

23 idea what was going on." {WS000509/3}

24 When you say you felt like you were being thrown to

25 the wolves, just tell us a bit more about the feelings



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1 you had at that time?

2 A. I was absolutely terrified because every door was locked

3 and you used to have to wait for a member of staff to

4 open the door and then lock it behind you and then

5 I went into the office and they'd tell you the rules of

6 Les Chenes, behaviour, points system and just the main

7 details of it and then they took me out to the day room

8 but I had -- doors were locked, you couldn't go through

9 a door because it was locked and you'd have to wait for

10 a staff member to unlock it and then relock it. Further

11 down another door, lock, unlock; it felt like prison.

12 Q. And having come from the psychiatric unit how did it

13 feel generally in terms of atmosphere in Les Chenes?

14 A. Totally different. The atmosphere was totally

15 different. In the psychiatric unit the staff were

16 loving, caring and they wanted to help you. They were

17 like friends, but when you went to Les Chenes I felt

18 like I was -- that I was a bad person, that I had to be

19 locked up.

20 Q. If we could come back to paragraph 11 of the statement

21 please {WS000509/3}, just to pick up a line in that

22 paragraph. You say that you never found out the real

23 reason why you were sent to Les Chenes. I just want to

24 show you a document from the time. If we could have on

25 screen please {WD003870}. This is an extract from some



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1 minutes produced at the time and your entry is in the

2 middle of the page, you are number 624. It says there

3 that you were admitted on 20 April 1982 and discharged

4 on 24 May 1984. It says this:

5 "[624]'s admission followed a dramatic episode when

6 she was discovered in a [REDACTED] ..."

7 And it said that:

8 "She had previously been a patient at the Child

9 Psychiatric Unit and from being a toddler had been prone

10 to temper tantrums, destructive behaviour and theft."

11 Now in terms of that description of you being prone

12 to temper tantrums, destructive behaviour and theft, is

13 that a description that you would recognise of yourself

14 as a teenager?

15 A. I don't understand what the destructive behaviour is.

16 I admit that I probably stole a few pence, something off

17 my mum and that, and I had temper tantrums, but my

18 sisters used to wind me up a lot, but I don't understand

19 what the destructive behaviour is because I don't know

20 what I would have done to -- I don't know.

21 Q. It then goes on to say:

22 "Her mother was most concerned for her but

23 recognised her own inability to provide adequate support

24 and control."

25 Do you think that your mother was able to control



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1 you in your early teenage years?

2 A. To be honest I didn't actually see her that often

3 because she was either at work, or my mother used to

4 take Valium quite a bit when she was younger -- when we

5 were younger so she used to be in bed a lot and then

6 when she started working we didn't really see her

7 because she worked nights and she slept most of the day.

8 Q. Was she working five days a week -- I say days, five

9 nights a week?

10 A. Maybe sometimes more because she worked for Hospice.

11 Q. I see. Then it goes on to say this about the time that

12 you spent in Les Chenes:

13 "[624]'s development at Les Chenes was quite

14 extraordinary and she became a confident, cheerful,

15 dependable and increasingly mature girl."

16 Again is that a description of you that you

17 recognise having spent time in Les Chenes?

18 A. I wouldn't say mature or confident at all, to be honest.

19 Sometimes I can be cheerful, but it doesn't -- I just

20 wanted to get out of there.

21 Q. Do you think you changed very significantly over the

22 time that you were there, in the three years that you

23 were there?

24 A. I might have calmed down because you didn't really have

25 a choice, because if you misbehaved you were punished.



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1 Q. It then says:

2 "While she might have left school in 1983 she was

3 anxious to 'stay on' for a further 12 months so that she

4 might achieve a good standard in CSE examinations."

5 Were you keen to stay on and complete your education

6 at Les Chenes?

7 A. I never agreed to stay on.

8 Q. Then it says:

9 "After taking her examinations, she obtained

10 employment ... and returned home to her mother."

11 A. I never agreed to stay there. I would not stay there.

12 If I had the choice to go home at 16 I would have gone,

13 I would have left.

14 Q. What age were you when you went home?

15 A. 16/17 I think.

16 Q. Thank you.

17 If we could come back to the statement at

18 paragraph 13, I want to come now to the early period

19 when you went to Les Chenes. You say in 13:

20 "Shortly after my arrival I was taken to the office,

21 where Mario Lundy explained the system to me.

22 I remember him telling me that I had to earn points and

23 if I earned points I would get rewards. He told me that

24 if I did anything wrong I would be punished, and that

25 I must do what I was told. It was a sort of



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1 introductory talk." {WS000509/4}

2 What was Mr Lundy like when you first met him on

3 that day, can you remember?

4 A. He was very nice, but very strict and explaining

5 everything, but he was a very nice man.

6 Q. And he explained the points system to you. Did you

7 manage to grasp it all on that first day, or did you

8 come to learn about it over time?

9 A. You had to learn about it over time.

10 Q. Were you shown around the premises?

11 A. Yes.

12 Q. And did you go anywhere near the cells on that first

13 occasion?

14 A. Yes, they actually had one ready for me because they

15 were told that I would kick-off when I got there, but

16 I didn't, so they didn't put me in the cells, they just

17 took me straight up to the bedroom.

18 Q. Did you share that bedroom with somebody who we will

19 call 311, another girl?

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. How many girls were there there at the time?

22 A. Just me and her.

23 Q. And you say there were about 15 children there all

24 together.

25 A. I think so.



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1 Q. In terms of your sleeping area you describe that you had

2 a bathroom, a corridor and a bedroom to yourself.

3 A. Well, it wasn't like a corridor, it was -- the bedroom

4 was there (indicating), you go across, just two steps

5 across and then there was the bathroom and then there

6 was a door right next to it that was locked constantly.

7 Q. So when you went to bed at night were you physically

8 locked in your bedroom --

9 A. Yes.

10 Q. -- or was it just that other door that was locked?

11 A. We were locked in the main -- not in the bedroom, but

12 the main corridor was locked.

13 Q. And did you have access to a bathroom at night?

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. So you didn't have to call anyone to come and take you

16 to the bathroom?

17 A. No, but if we needed anything we had to call the night

18 staff.

19 Q. And how did you feel about being locked up at night?

20 A. Hate it, even to this day I can't stand it.

21 Q. You then go on to say in paragraph 16 {WS000509/4}:

22 "We were not allowed to take any personal belongings

23 to Les Chenes. They supplied us with clothes which

24 looked ridiculous. We were given big skirts and

25 horrible tops. We had to wear clogs, even on the rare



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1 occasions that we were allowed out of Les Chenes."

2 You talk about wearing clogs to go to the builders'

3 merchant down the road. How did it make you feel when

4 you went out and about dressed like that?

5 A. An idiot.

6 Q. Did you feel that you would be recognised as somebody

7 from Les Chenes?

8 A. Yes.

9 Q. How often in fact did you go out?

10 A. That's the only time I can remember, on my own.

11 Q. Did you ever do any sort of extra-curricular activities

12 like sport which meant that you went out perhaps in the

13 evenings?

14 A. We did like swimming and syncro that they would take us

15 and sit there and watch and wait for us to finish and

16 then take us back again.

17 Q. When you say syncro, is that synchronised swimming?

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. Where did you do that?

20 A. Up at Fort Regent.

21 Q. And then as far as the lessons were concerned you

22 describe having lessons during the course of the day.

23 Generally how did you get on academically while you were

24 at Les Chenes?

25 A. I wasn't the brightest of kids, but I would try my



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1 hardest.

2 Q. And how much effort did you feel that the teachers put

3 into you?

4 A. They put more effort into the ones that knew what they

5 were doing.

6 Q. Did they help you with homework?

7 A. Not really.


9 You do say at paragraph 18 that:

10 "The education was the one good thing at Les Chenes.

11 I had learned nothing at St Helier Girls' School where

12 I had been a pupil previously. They hated me there.

13 The staff told me that I would never pass an exam. At

14 Les Chenes, in contrast, I did well at lessons. They

15 pushed us to learn."

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. Generally speaking did the children work quite hard

18 there on their schoolwork?

19 A. Well, if we didn't we didn't earn the points to go home.

20 Q. Did that motivate you to do well at school?

21 A. The education part of it I suppose, yeah, it did.

22 Q. The Panel have heard about the cells, but in this

23 section I just want to ask you about something in

24 paragraph 20, the ball court. Where was that located?

25 A. It was just where the cells were against the right and



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1 there was an entrance to the ball court, just past that

2 in there and you could see it from the day room.

3 Q. And what would you do there?

4 A. Sit around and talk if we were all together. Sometimes

5 we were put there as punishment, so you just either end

6 up walking around, or just sitting down out there.

7 Q. We've heard from another witness that there were sports

8 days on a Thursday afternoon --

9 A. Yes, PE.

10 Q. -- do you remember that?

11 A. Yes.

12 Q. Did you join in with the boys and play football?

13 A. No, the girls sort of -- if you wanted to play football

14 you could, but we would like do tennis or softball,

15 or ...

16 Q. Were there those facilities there at Les Chenes to do

17 those sports?

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. I see. Did you have a teacher with you?

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. Then if we could go over the page please at paragraph 23

22 {WS000509/6}, you're dealing with here various different

23 staff members. If I could start off with 108. You say

24 that to you he was:

25 "... one of the nicest people you could meet and



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1 a very good teacher. However, although he was not

2 violent with the girls, if we crossed him we always knew

3 about it. Whenever we got in trouble he would shout and

4 scream at us."

5 So did you personally ever have any trouble with

6 108?

7 A. No -- well, no, yes, I did because I had -- me and the

8 other girl had a raspberry fight and we got told off by

9 him, but not like they would with the boys.

10 Q. What would they do with the boys?

11 A. The boys would be taken to the office.

12 Q. And do you know what would happen in the office?

13 A. Usually they would get like -- if we saw them coming out

14 they will have either had "pinball wizard" or the cane.

15 You'd see them like all red marks, but we were never

16 allowed to talk about it.

17 Q. When you say "pinball wizard", what do you mean by that?

18 A. The boys described it if you went into the office and

19 the furniture was moved against the door you knew that

20 you were going to be bounced off the walls and the

21 furniture.

22 Q. Did you ever see that happening?

23 A. No, that was always behind closed doors.

24 Q. Did you ever hear any noises coming from the office?

25 A. You heard banging, yes.



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1 Q. Did you talk to any boys who said that had happened to

2 them?

3 A. You couldn't -- I did speak to one or two, but we could

4 only speak for minutes, seconds, and then we couldn't

5 speak about it. If we were heard to speak about it then

6 we were in more trouble. So it was always kept quiet

7 after that.

8 Q. In your statement as far as "pinball wizard" is

9 concerned you say:

10 "This is where [108] or Mario Lundy bounced them off

11 the walls and against the furniture in their room."

12 {WS000509/6}

13 In relation to the episodes that you heard about are

14 you clear that both Mr Lundy and witness 108 were

15 involved?

16 A. It was mostly Mr Lundy that did it, but I heard that 108

17 was involved.

18 Q. Do you know if they ever did it together or separately?

19 A. I think they did it together. I'm not sure.

20 Q. And then coming on to Mario Lundy at paragraph 25, you

21 say that he:

22 " ... taught us several different subjects .... For

23 all his many faults, he was a very good teacher and

24 could be very nice on occasions."

25 You go on to describe an occasion when the Sinclair



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1 computer first became available:

2 " ... Mr Lundy bought one and brought it to us to

3 let us have a go on it."

4 A. Yes.

5 Q. Were there times when he was helpful to you?

6 A. Yes, he could be very nice to you. He could be really

7 kind and quite loving towards you, but then he could

8 also change very quickly.

9 Q. Generally, if you are able to comment on this, what

10 would make him change?

11 A. If you answered back, if you were arguing with someone,

12 if you refused to do anything, or if you left the room

13 without permission and then he would just flip out.

14 Q. You say:

15 "However, Mario Lundy could also be very nasty. He

16 would grind his teeth when annoyed and shouted and

17 screamed at us. I often saw him pushing and shoving

18 boys."

19 Did he ever use any physical violence against you?

20 A. Against me?

21 Q. Yes.

22 A. No.

23 Q. Or the other girl?

24 A. No.

25 Q. Did he shout at you at all?



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1 A. Yes. It would be more like screaming in your face.

2 Q. Then at paragraph 26 {WS000509/6} you talk about

3 a witness who we refer to as 246 who you describe as:

4 "... nasty and always drunk. With girls, he was

5 sleazy."

6 Was he ever sleazy with you?

7 A. Yes, he was always around us, putting his arms around

8 us, breathing -- standing behind us and breathing down

9 or necks and it was just really uncomfortable. I mean

10 I know I didn't -- I had the thing beforehand so -- he

11 acted the way -- the abuse I had before and he was

12 always drunk. He always smelt heavily of drink.

13 Q. And in terms of any physical contact you had with --

14 A. No, he never touched us.

15 Q. He didn't?

16 A. No.

17 Q. Then as far as the boys were concerned you say:

18 "[246] would hit boys with his hand in front of the

19 class."

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. Then you talk about 673 and you say:

22 "I remember seeing [246] slam him forcibly against

23 a wall and making him stand there. I also remember

24 seeing [246] slap [witness 620] around the head and hold

25 him by the throat against the wall." {WS000509/6}



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1 A. Yes.

2 Q. Generally speaking how often would this sort of thing

3 happen?

4 A. Whenever anybody wound him up, probably every day.

5 Q. Then at paragraph 27 {WS000509/7} we come on to deal

6 with witness 112 and you have already mentioned this

7 raspberry fight that you had and just generally in

8 relation to her you say that you remember being slapped

9 on the arm by her.

10 A. Yes.

11 Q. Was there ever any other occasion where there was any

12 physical abuse from her, as far as you remember?

13 A. Yes, I was in the -- next to the day room there was

14 a girls' shower room and a boys' shower room a bit

15 further down and it was -- I was having my shower in

16 there and we had a cubicle and then there was a toilet

17 and we had to put a towel over the door because it was

18 a glass panel there and I was in the shower and she came

19 storming in, dragged me out of the shower and I also had

20 my period and she slammed me against the wall and she

21 had a hold of me and slapped me because I'd wet the bed

22 and she told me next time she would rub it in my face

23 and then I also noticed that the towel was down from the

24 window, so if anybody walked past they could actually

25 see me standing there, stark naked with blood running



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1 down my legs.

2 Q. Just help us with this with the shower room, you

3 described the glass panel, was that just the door --

4 A. It was like that door but a wider glass panel

5 (indicating).

6 Q. I see. In relation to where that bathroom was, what did

7 it face onto?

8 A. It faced onto a brick wall, but it was like the door was

9 like that against the wall like that (indicating) and

10 then against that wall was the day room door.

11 Q. You described putting a towel up against the glass

12 panel, was that something you generally did when you

13 went into the shower?

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. What would happen if you didn't put the towel up?

16 A. Anybody could see you.

17 Q. Were you visible from inside the shower, or just when

18 you got out of it?

19 A. Just when you got out of it.

20 Q. And on this occasion had you wet the bed the previous

21 night?

22 A. Yes.

23 Q. And had you been punished for bed wetting before?

24 A. They just used to humiliate me and make me take my

25 sheets and everything down in front of everybody so that



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1 they would know and in the end I ended up with

2 a nickname called [REDACTED] because I wet the bed.

3 MS JERRAM: Members of the Panel, I'm just going to refer

4 the witness to a document that I have been handed a very

5 short time ago from Mr Lindop. It is an extract from

6 a day book from DC Ruddlesden.

7 Mrs X, it gives an account of an interview with --

8 you won't have it in front of you, so I will just read

9 it out to you -- your roommate, 311, which took place on

10 11 August 2008 and in that account it says that:

11 "There was a girl called [624, that's you] who wet

12 herself. They'd humiliate her in front of everyone, say

13 'Don't go near her, she stinks of pee'."

14

15 Does that accord with your recollection?

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. Was it just this particular teacher who would do that,

18 or were there other teachers?

19 A. It was mainly her because she was in charge of the

20 girls.

21 Q. Thank you. Then in paragraph 30 you talk about somebody

22 who you say was the "nicest teacher of all":

23 "He was such a kind caring person with a wonderful

24 nature. His attitude and the tone of his voice were

25 different from the others - instead of shouting he used



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1 to talk to us like normal people."

2 Did you ever talk to him about the way you were

3 treated by the other teachers?

4 A. No, we were never allowed to discuss anything. Nobody

5 wanted to know.

6 Q. Was there anybody in fact that you could talk to?

7 A. (Shakes head).

8 Q. What about when you went home at the weekends?

9 A. You could tell them what happened, but nothing would be

10 done.

11 Q. Did you ever tell your mother about what was going on?

12 A. I told her that she slapped me and she went "She's

13 allowed, that's what the courts have said".

14 Q. So the person we have been referring to is 112, the

15 person who pulled you out of the shower?

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. And just to be clear, she told you that the Court had

18 said that physical punishment was allowed?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. Was that your understanding?

21 A. Yes.

22 Q. Having been told that did you then raise the physical

23 punishment with anybody else?

24 A. No, because that's what we believed we were -- they were

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1 Q. You go on at paragraph 31 {WS000509/7} to talk about

2 being supervised when you had a bath. Did that always

3 happen when you had a bath?

4 A. Yes.

5 Q. Was it just you, or was it the other girl as well?

6 A. Both of us.

7 Q. Do you know why they supervised you at bath time?

8 A. Don't know.

9 Q. Then if we could go over the page please to the part

10 entitled "Discipline" {WS000509/8}. You say:

11 "I have described above some of the ways in which

12 the different teachers punished the children. In

13 practice, the main mechanism used to discipline children

14 at Les Chenes was the points system."

15 The Panel have heard about the detail of the points

16 system, but as far as you were concerned how do you

17 think it influenced your behaviour at the time that you

18 were at Les Chenes?

19 A. I suppose we did try because obviously we wanted to go

20 home, but if you didn't have the right amount of points

21 you couldn't go home, so you had to do -- if you were

22 one of the favourites you wouldn't have to try, you

23 always got the chance to go home, so I suppose we had to

24 try and do everything and do chores and stuff to get

25 extra points to make sure we got home.



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1 Q. You described at the beginning of your statement the

2 abuse which you suffered at home. Were you motivated to

3 go home at the weekends?

4 A. To see my mum, yeah.

5 Q. And you talk about only being able to go home every

6 third weekend. When you talk about going home at the

7 weekend, are you talking there about going Friday to

8 Sunday?

9 A. Yes.

10 Q. And what would happen in the intervening weekends?

11 A. You used to go home for a couple of hours on a Sunday

12 afternoon, if you had the points.

13 Q. And generally speaking were you able to get enough

14 points to be able to go home at the weekend?

15 A. Sometimes I did, sometimes I didn't.

16 Q. How fair do you think the staff were in how they handed

17 out the points?

18 A. Not fair. They had their favourites.

19 Q. And in terms of deduction of points, did you ever have

20 points deducted?

21 A. Yes, plenty of times.

22 Q. What sort of things for?

23 A. Because I didn't do my homework, or I spoke throughout

24 the lesson, or if I didn't do what they wanted me to do.

25 They would take points off for this, that and



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1 everything.

2 Q. And how did you feel when you had points deducted?

3 A. I just thought "Oh, well".

4 Q. Was there ever a time when the deduction of points meant

5 that you couldn't go home one weekend?

6 A. Probably quite a few times.

7 Q. And tell us a little bit about the 600 club?

8 A. Oh, that was the smart kids that -- it was impossible to

9 get 600 every week, 600 points, but the favourites and

10 the smart ones always seemed to manage to get 600 points

11 and then they were put into a special 600 club where

12 they went home every weekend, they were allowed

13 different privileges to us, they slept at the top of the

14 house where they weren't watched. They didn't have to

15 eat with us and different things, so it was special ones

16 for like the special children.

17 Q. How did it make you feel not being part of that

18 600 club?

19 A. It was like that because they were the brainy ones and

20 they knew stuff that I didn't in lessons and everything,

21 that they could -- I used to get jealous because they

22 used to have obviously more privileges than we did, but

23 I don't see how they could make the 600 points every

24 week.

25 Q. Then in paragraph 33 {WS000509/8} you describe that



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1 every child was given a yellow card with the points

2 system written out on it and:

3 "[108] had books in which he wrote down the points

4 that every child had gained, and every week we would sit

5 down with [108] one-to-one to discuss whether we had

6 been good or bad and how many points we had earned.

7 This happened on a Friday."

8 A. Mm mm.

9 Q. That yellow card, where was that kept?

10 A. If I remember rightly at the end of the day we gave it

11 in to one of the teachers that collected the cards

12 daily.

13 Q. So during the course of the day would you keep hold of

14 the yellow card?

15 A. Yes, we were responsible for the card for that day and

16 if we lost it, we lost all the points that were on it.

17 Q. And if a teacher was going to give you points, what

18 would be the mechanism?

19 A. They would just write down on the yellow card what

20 points they were giving us and if they were taking it

21 away they'd write down what they were taking away.

22 Q. And the discussions you had with 108, would he take you

23 through what you had been awarded points for during the

24 course of the week?

25 A. Yes.



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1 Q. And did you find that a useful exercise?

2 A. It was the only time we actually sat down and actually

3 spoke to anybody that actually seemed to care.

4 Q. And would he ask you about occasions when you had had

5 points deducted and why they'd been deducted?

6 A. Yes, he would try and discuss it with us, what we had

7 done, why we'd done it and what ways we could improve

8 it.

9 Q. In the discussions about the deductions of points, by

10 that time generally had you already been punished for

11 what it was that you had done?

12 A. Yes.

13 Q. So there was no further punishment from 108?

14 A. No. Apart from if it didn't make -- if you had lost the

15 points you couldn't go home if you didn't make the

16 certain amount of points in the week.

17 Q. You say this happened on a Friday --

18 A. Actually I think it is a Thursday. I think I might have

19 got the night wrong, I'm sorry. I think it was

20 a Thursday night.

21 Q. Would 108 then calculate the number of points?

22 A. Yes.

23 Q. And then following on from that would a decision be made

24 about whether you could go home or not?

25 A. Yes.



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1 Q. I see.

2 A. But you could still -- even after that if you misbehaved

3 they could still take the points off you and your leave

4 could be cancelled.


6 At paragraph 36 you say:

7 "The children would try to get points so that they

8 could go home, but I did not like the system. Points

9 seemed to be another way of getting us to retaliate and

10 compete against each other .... The staff were

11 certainly not fair in the way they awarded points.

12 I often found that I was good through the whole of the

13 lesson but would only be given five points. Someone

14 else might have been a pain but still be given nine

15 points. It felt as if points were being taken off

16 because my face did not fit. All in all, the points

17 system was not a fun way to live life."

18 In terms of your treatment and your face not

19 fitting, did you feel in any way picked upon in the

20 points system?

21 A. I wouldn't say picked upon. I would say that if we

22 wanted to do a job and there were two of us and if it

23 was one of the favourites, they got the job, I didn't.

24 It wasn't done fairly. It wasn't -- it was like, "Well,

25 you can do this and you can do that", they'd just go



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1 "No, he can do it".

2 Q. Let's move on to visits. We have already dealt with the

3 weekends, but at paragraph 38 you talk about your mother

4 visiting for an hour during the week {WS000509/9}.

5 Would that visit also depend on points, or would that

6 always happen?

7 A. It would always happen unless something serious had

8 really really happened. I was never stopped, but I know

9 some of the boys were, their during the week visits were

10 stopped and they weren't allowed to see any family.

11 Q. And we've heard, from that earlier document we saw, that

12 you were there for three years, April 1982 to May 1985.

13 Did your mother always come to visit every week?

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. Did she ever bring anyone else with her?

16 A. No, it was just her.

17 Q. And you say that you would normally talk in the

18 conservatory next to 108's office?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. Would there be any staff member present when you were

21 talking to your mother?

22 A. Not when we were in there, but if I wanted to show her

23 my bedroom I always had a member of staff with me, or if

24 I wanted to show her anywhere a member of staff had to

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1 Q. Why was that?

2 A. I don't know, probably because all the doors were

3 locked.

4 Q. And you say that:

5 "We were never allowed to show parents the day rooms

6 or the secure suite."

7 Do you know why they weren't allowed in the day

8 rooms?

9 A. We were always told it was because everybody was in

10 there and it was like confidentiality.

11 Q. And what about the secure suite, do you know about that?

12 A. That was always just locked. Nobody would see those

13 rooms.

14 Q. Then you come on to talk about a visit from the Governor

15 of Jersey who once came to look around Les Chenes. Just

16 to be clear, do you mean the Lieutenant Governor of

17 Jersey, or somebody different?

18 A. Yes, the Lieutenant Governor.

19 Q. You say you can't recall his name.

20 A. No.

21 Q. "This was at a time when the school was getting very

22 good publicity for 'making bad children good'."

23 {WS000509/9}

24 How did you come to know of that publicity?

25 A. It was in the papers.



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1 Q. Did you get the papers?

2 A. Sometimes, but mainly we read the papers if we went

3 home, or like my mum would keep the paper with

4 an article about Les Chenes doing wonderful things for

5 good and bad children and helping them get into everyday

6 life and everything.

7 Q. And which paper was this?

8 A. The JEP.

9 Q. Did you agree with that analysis, that it was helping

10 children?

11 A. No.

12 Q. You say that:

13 "We were instructed by the staff not to talk about

14 the home when the Governor and his wife came round. We

15 were told to be careful what we said."

16 A. Yes. If we were asked questions we had to look at the

17 staff and they used to go (indicating) or shake their

18 head.

19 Q. Do you remember being asked a question, either by the

20 Lieutenant Governor or his wife?

21 A. No, but I saw it with one of the other boys that was

22 next to me.

23 Q. You have already told us about the shower incident, so

24 I am not going to come back to that, but if we look at

25 paragraph 43 {WS000509/10} please you say that another



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1 memorable incident was the time that you were:

2 " ... walking to the day room in the dark for some

3 reason, with other children. I cannot recall why. My

4 hand went over the counter and I felt something wet.

5 I wondered what it was. When we switched on the light

6 there was blood everywhere. [A child] had tried to kill

7 himself. We called [112] down. Her reaction was to

8 offer extra points to any child who would help to clear

9 up the blood. I totally freaked out and was traumatised

10 by the sight of all the blood. [112] eventually took me

11 out of the situation. Later they sat us down and asked

12 how we felt, but everyone just sat and said 'I don't

13 know'. No help was given to us at all."

14 So just dealing with that, if we could just come

15 back to the previous page please {WS000509/10}, the

16 child that you were talking about, where had he made

17 this attempt, as far as you could see?

18 A. It was at the back of the day room where we used to have

19 our lessons.

20 Q. And did you see what he'd used in that attempt?

21 A. No, I hadn't, but I know that that wasn't the first time

22 he'd done it, he'd done it in his room as well.

23 Q. How much blood was there around?

24 A. Lots.

25 Q. And how many children roughly were around in the day



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1 room?

2 A. We'd all just come down so there was probably quite

3 a few of us in there.

4 Q. Did you participate in clearing up --

5 A. Oh, God, no.

6 Q. And you say you "totally freaked out", what did you do?

7 A. I just started crying and panicking and trying to get

8 away from the situation. It was horrible. It was

9 like -- because I had had my hand across the top of the

10 counter and it was just puddles of blood.

11 Q. Did the staff member 112 clear up the blood as well?

12 A. No.

13 Q. And did you see any other children helping?

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. In relation to what happened afterwards, if we can go

16 back over the page please {WS000509/11}, when you say

17 "they sat us down and asked how we felt", what were they

18 asking you about at that point?

19 A. About what he had done to himself.

20 Q. And do you remember what happened to the boy?

21 A. I'm not sure if he went to the hospital or not, I think

22 so, but he didn't last long there. I don't know what

23 happened to him.

24 Q. Did he come back to Les Chenes, as far as you remember?

25 A. He'd done it a couple of times, he'd tried to cut



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1 himself and I think this was the final time and then

2 they -- I don't know where he went after that.

3 Q. Then more generally, at paragraph 44 you say that:

4 "If Les Chenes had been run better and if the staff

5 had cared about us more, it could have been a really

6 good place for young people. Without the violence,

7 bullying and emotional manipulation it might have been

8 more of a home from home, perhaps like some of the other

9 children's homes on the Island were. In reality,

10 however, it was not a loving environment at all. We

11 were made to feel worthless." {WS000509/11}

12 Just tell us a little about whether that's impacted

13 you in your day-to-day life on an ongoing basis?

14 A. Yes. I suffer with severe depression. I don't trust

15 anybody. I even -- I even push my children away because

16 I believe at times I'm going to hurt them, not

17 physically hurt them, but mentally hurt them because

18 that's what we were told we did. We were told all we

19 did was hurt people and we were trouble and we didn't

20 deserve anything and that's how I grew up believing it

21 and I still now do think I'm worthless.

22 Q. Taking yourself back to 1985 when you left Les Chenes

23 and you went back to stay with your mother, how did it

24 feel to be back at home?

25 A. It was really weird because it was like I was just given



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1 a whole new life, being able to go out when I wanted to,

2 do what I wanted to, have something to eat when I wanted

3 to, eat what I wanted to and not being forced to eat

4 food that I couldn't stand and just having a life. It

5 was so hard to go back into normality. It was very

6 hard.

7 Q. Did you have any input from Children's Services at that

8 time?

9 A. No. I never saw anybody.

10 Q. Were you offered any kind of counselling, or anything

11 like that?

12 A. No.

13 Q. If we could go over the page please {WS000509/12}. You

14 talk here at paragraph 46 about your freedom, but you

15 say this:

16 "[108] had made very clear when I met him before

17 I left Les Chenes that there were conditions on my

18 departure and that if I misbehaved I would be sent back

19 to Les Chenes, or, if I was 18 or over, straight to

20 prison. This was the way in which they instilled good

21 behaviour in children leaving the home."

22 A. It was actually to put fear into you, the fear of God

23 into you.

24 Q. Did you think that there was ever any real risk of you

25 being sent back to Les Chenes?



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1 A. Yes.

2 Q. And did that influence your behaviour in any way?

3 A. I suppose it did, that I was scared to do anything in

4 case I got into any trouble or anything. I never used

5 to go out much because I was just worried that if I went

6 out and did something wrong, which to them being wrong

7 could be something minor, that you would be sent back

8 there.

9 Q. In paragraph 48 you say that from the moment you arrived

10 at Les Chenes you "never saw anyone from

11 Children's Services unless they were bringing a new

12 resident to the home" and:

13 "There was no involvement from Children's Services

14 when I left care either."

15 Just to be clear, once you had gone back to live

16 with your mother and you had left Les Chenes, was that

17 the end of your involvement with the care system in

18 Jersey?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. Then did you get a job and work after that?

21 A. Yes, I went straight to work.

22 Q. You also go on to describe an event in adulthood, this

23 is paragraph 50, where 108 did help you because your son

24 was being bullied at school. Why did you think to go to

25 108?



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1 A. Because he was [REDACTED] -- he was the [REDACTED].

2 Q. And did he in fact help you?

3 A. No, I had done it before he replied to me. Me and my

4 best friend.

5 MS JERRAM: Members of the Panel, I'm about to go on to

6 a new topic which will take some time. I wonder if that

7 is a convenient moment?

8 THE CHAIR: It is, Ms Jerram. If we take a 45-minute --

9 MS JERRAM: Resuming at 5 past 2?

10 THE CHAIR: Resuming at 5 past 2.

11 MS JERRAM: Thank you very much.

12 (1.20 pm)

13 (The lunch break)

14 (2.05 pm)

15 MS JERRAM: Good afternoon, Members of the Panel.

16 THE CHAIR: Good afternoon.

17 MS JERRAM: Good afternoon, Mrs X.

18 Mrs X, I want to turn now please to the statement

19 that you made to the police in 2008 and dealing firstly

20 in your Inquiry statement with your explanation of this

21 at paragraph 51, you say this:

22 "In 2008 I received a telephone call from the

23 police, asking to come to my house to interview me.

24 I agreed, they visited, and I gave an oral statement in

25 response to their questions. However, I was terrified."



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1 {WS000509/13}

2 Just pausing there, after you had received the

3 telephone call from the police how soon afterwards did

4 they come to visit?

5 A. The same day.

6 Q. Roughly how much later in the same day?

7 A. I can't really remember.

8 Q. As far as you were aware, was that the first time you

9 had had contact with the police?

10 A. With the police, yes.

11 Q. Do you know how it was that they'd come to have your

12 details?

13 A. No. I also -- before the police came to me I also had

14 knocking at my door the News of the World and The Sun,

15 where they had my name, that I'd been at Les Chenes and

16 it was in the 1980s.

17 Q. Do you know where they'd got that information from?

18 A. No.

19 Q. Did you ask them?

20 A. Yes and they wouldn't tell me. I didn't speak to them.

21 I just told them to go away and leave me alone.

22 Q. How did it make you feel to have newspaper reporters

23 knocking at your door?

24 A. I was terrified. I just didn't know what was going on.

25 Q. In relation to the police and their visit, you say:



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1 " ... I was terrified. Mario Lundy was still in

2 a very powerful position in the Education Department and

3 I was very worried that if I said anything negative

4 about Les Chenes it might have an impact on my children,

5 who were still at school."

6 Did you genuinely believe that it might have some

7 kind of impact if you were to say something?

8 A. Yes, I really did. I was scared for my children that if

9 I said anything wrong that it would just come back on

10 them.

11 Q. When you say "wrong", what do you mean by that?

12 A. Like if I said anything about like -- bad about anybody

13 at Les Chenes, or anything bad happened at Les Chenes,

14 that it would come back on my children.

15 Q. Then in paragraph 52 you say:

16 "After I met with the police I was given the number

17 of a woman and told to call her a few weeks later to

18 find out what had happened about my statement. I did

19 call the number, but was told that she had left.

20 I heard nothing further from them. I was never asked to

21 sign any police statement." {WS000509/13}

22 Do you still believe that to be accurate?

23 A. I did, but now that I see it I must have forgotten that

24 I had done it.

25 Q. Could we have on screen please {WS000440}. We have here



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1 a statement with your name on it, 624, dated

2 19 August 2008. Firstly does that roughly accord with

3 your recollection of when they came to take the

4 statement?

5 A. I think so, yes.


7 We have here the contents of your statement. This

8 morning, Mrs X, I've shown you a copy of your statement

9 which is the non-computerised version of the statement.

10 Members of the Panel, I hope you also have that. That's

11 in the black folder in front of you marked with a yellow

12 tab.

13 If I could just ask you to look at the first page of

14 that statement. Do you see at the bottom left-hand

15 corner a signature?

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. Is that your signature?

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. Does that appear on every page of the statement?

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. And you are satisfied it is your signature?

22 A. Yes.

23 Q. Then if we just come back to the first page of the

24 statement . In relation to the

25 corrections that have been made on the paper copy in the



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1 first paragraph, is it your handwriting that has changed

2 the name in that first paragraph?

3 A. No.

4 Q. But then on the right-hand side do you see a series of

5 initials?

6 A. Yes.

7 Q. Are those your initials?

8 A. They look like mine, yes.

9 Q. And does that look like your handwriting?

10 A. The initials, yes.

11 Q. Is it the case that you still don't remember signing

12 this statement?

13 A. No, I don't. To be honest, I was so scared because --

14 I was scared of Les Chenes when I was 13 and to be

15 honest I'm still scared of the teachers now and I was

16 too scared to say anything and I would have said

17 anything, but I don't remember signing it.

18 Q. But you do accept as a matter of fact that this is your

19 signature?

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. Thank you. I'm just going to ask you some questions

22 arising out of the statement that we see on the screen

23 {WS000440}. If we could go please over the page to the

24 next page {WS000440/2}, right at the bottom of that it

25 says "the staff were lovely but strict" and you remember



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1 108, Mr Lundy and 112, those are the people that you've

2 told us about this morning. Then over the page please

3 {WS000440/3}:

4 "The staff were all strict but Les Chenes was the

5 last resort for us, we were a rough lot."

6 A. No, I would never have said that.

7 Q. Did you use those words, "a rough lot"?

8 A. No.

9 Q. Then it goes on to talk about an individual who:

10 " ... could be strict, nasty and abrupt ... but

11 I never saw him violent towards anyone ..."

12 A. No, that's wrong because I did see him violent.

13 Q. And I believe for the record that that's 264 that we are

14 dealing with there. Then in the middle of that page we

15 see a sentence that says this:

16 "I wet the bed and no one threw it in your face

17 either from the kids or the staff, I just took my sheets

18 to the laundry. I had lots of issues, but I was never

19 humiliated, staff did deal with issues sensitively."

20 {WS000440/3}

21 Just pausing there, can you remember the

22 conversation you had with the police officers about

23 bed wetting?

24 A. I don't even think I spoke to them about bed wetting,

25 because it was nothing that I'm proud of.



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1 Q. Is that an accurate reflection of your evidence?

2 A. No, because they did rub it in my face. They humiliated

3 me. I had to take my sheets down in front of everybody.

4 Everybody knew that I'd wet the bed and it was common

5 knowledge everywhere throughout the whole house that I'd

6 wet the bed. I wasn't the only one, there were a couple

7 of others that did it as well and we were all

8 humiliated.

9 Q. Do you know why you might have said to the officers that

10 you didn't have any issues?

11 A. I just wanted them gone.

12 Q. Then I want to come on to the points system which you

13 mention in the next paragraph. You say:

14 "The points system was good and we all wanted to go

15 home."

16 Again did you believe the points system was good for

17 you?

18 A. I don't think it was good for me. It helped because it

19 made us do stuff to earn the points, but I don't think

20 it was fair.

21 Q. Then you say:

22 "I was never caned, although you did hear rumours,

23 but I never saw anyone with marks ..."

24 A. No, I didn't say that.

25 Q. " ... and I can't recall anyone else being caned."



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1 A. No, I can tell you a couple of people who were caned.

2 And I saw the marks.

3 Q. Just so we are clear, are you telling the Panel that you

4 never told the police officers this --

5 A. Yes.

6 Q. Hang on, just let me ask the whole question: either that

7 you never told the police officers this, or that if you

8 did it was because you wanted them gone from your house?

9 A. If I did, I just wanted them gone, to be honest.

10 I didn't want them in my house. I was -- since I've

11 been to Les Chenes I've suffered with severe depression,

12 I don't go anywhere, I don't go out, I don't like

13 talking to people, I don't like crowds and I didn't want

14 them there and I was on my own when they turned up and

15 I just literally said anything just to get them out.

16 Q. Can we go on to the next page please {WS000440/4}. In

17 the second paragraph you say there:

18 "The worst be incident that I can recall involved

19 a lad by the name of [blank]. He self-harmed by cutting

20 himself."

21 Then it describes there being a large amount of

22 blood and you say:

23 "The staff dealt with [the boy] and then cleaned the

24 blood up."

25 Again just for the record, is it right that the



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1 staff cleaned the blood up or the children?

2 A. No, they offered children points to clean it up.

3 Q. Thank you. Then finally in the bottom paragraph it says

4 this:

5 "Les Chenes was a nice place and I never saw

6 anything untoward. They were nice people and if people

7 said that something went on I wouldn't believe it."

8 Again is that an accurate statement?

9 A. No.

10 Q. So more generally in terms of the two statements you

11 have produced, one to the Inquiry and one to the States

12 of Jersey Police in 2008, which one would you like to

13 stand as your evidence?

14 A. My second one, the latest one I've just done. Not this

15 one.

16 Q. The Inquiry statement?

17 A. Yes.

18 Q. Thank you.

19 A. They're very intimidating when you've got two police

20 sitting in front of you and asking you questions about

21 things that you don't want to remember and it is very

22 intimidating.

23 Q. If we could come back please to the Inquiry statement

24 and we are dealing here, from paragraph 67 onwards

25 {WS000509/16} about the impact of Les Chenes on your



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1 later life and you've already told us about your mental

2 health issues and you say:

3 "I now have lots of problems both medically and

4 mentally. I am terrified of shut or locked doors."

5 Is that a problem that remains to this day?

6 A. Yes. I won't -- I don't like being locked in anywhere.

7 If I go to the toilet the door's left open. I start

8 getting panicky. I won't go anywhere on my own. If

9 I go anywhere it's with her or my husband and I just

10 can't handle locked doors and I need to know where all

11 my children are every minute, every day.

12 Q. Does that have an impact on your relationship with them?

13 A. Yeah because they think I'm being a pain.

14 Q. You also say in paragraph 67 that the thought of seeing

15 Mr Lundy or 112 still terrifies you?

16 A. Yes. I can't actually call them by their first name.

17 They frighten the life out of me, they scare me.

18 Q. Do you ever bump into them?

19 A. No. I haven't seen them, I would say, in 30 years.

20 Q. You say in the next paragraph:

21 "I lost touch with most of the children from

22 Les Chenes for a long time."

23 But you did get in touch with 311 a few years ago.

24 A. Yes.

25 Q. Have you discussed the evidence you are giving today



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1 with anyone else from Les Chenes?

2 A. No.

3 Q. Then over the page please {WS000509/17}. At

4 paragraph 69:

5 "I am really worried about the reaction which some

6 of my friends from Les Chenes are getting from their

7 decision to give evidence to the Inquiry. People are

8 blaming us ... saying that we are jumping on the

9 bandwagon ..."

10 Has anyone said that about you?

11 A. Not me personally. It is on social media. Anybody

12 that's saying anything bad about Mr Lundy or Les Chenes,

13 they're all saying we're liars, they wouldn't do it,

14 it's just fabrication, we're after money, we're after

15 this, we're after that. I didn't even know that you

16 could get money out of it. I don't want money out of

17 it. I just want justice for the people that can't talk

18 and I want to make sure that the kids in the future

19 don't go through what we went through.

20 Q. Just in relation to the money aspect, for the record did

21 you make an application under the Historic Abuse Redress

22 Scheme?

23 A. I didn't even know nothing about it.

24 Q. Then finally in terms of your message to the Panel you

25 say:



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1 "All I want by giving evidence to the Inquiry is

2 help for the children in Jersey today. We have lost too

3 many young children."

4 When you say "lost" what do you mean there?

5 A. The amount of suicides for the children in the last

6 couple of years has been horrendous and it shouldn't be

7 that way. There's been youngsters from 15 to 18 that

8 have killed themselves and there's nowhere for them to

9 go and that's all I want is help for them.

10 Q. And in terms of any recommendations that the Inquiry

11 makes, or any ideas that you have for how children and

12 young people in care should be treated, is there

13 anything you want to say to the Panel about that?

14 A. They just need love, that's all they need, love. It's

15 something we never got and they just need love and

16 support and they need to know that there are people that

17 have lived through it and that have gone on in their

18 lives. I may never forget anything that went on and it

19 still will affect me probably to the day I die, but all

20 those kids need is love and support.

21 Q. Mrs X, thank you very much for answering my questions.

22 I'm sure the Panel will have some.

23 Questions from THE PANEL

24 THE CHAIR: There are some questions from the Panel, Mrs X.

25 Are you all right to continue? All right. I'm going to



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1 ask Ms Leslie to start.

2 MS LESLIE: Hello, Mrs X. Can I ask you about the member of

3 staff that you described as the nicest person --

4 A. Oh, yes.

5 MS LESLIE: -- who was particularly kind and gentle in their

6 dealings with you. How often was that person on-site at

7 Les Chenes?

8 A. Well, they all had their shifts, so whenever it was

9 their shift they were there, so -- he worked outside

10 more than inside and we used to all go out in the

11 gardens with him and everything.

12 MS LESLIE: Did he also have duties in the buildings, you

13 know, supervising the children?

14 A. Just keeping an eye on us in the day room and that, but

15 that was it.

16 MS LESLIE: And what was it that made him particularly

17 approachable?

18 A. He actually showed us that he actually cared about

19 people and he showed love and care and it wasn't just --

20 we were always put down, but he never put us down. He

21 was always kind and gentle. It was like a grandad.

22 MS LESLIE: Right. You told us about the 600 club and how

23 that seemed to you to be an elite group --

24 A. Yes, it was.

25 MS LESLIE: -- in Les Chenes. Were there tensions between



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1 that group and the other children?

2 A. No, no. All the kids got on -- stuck together. We were

3 family, that's all we had was each other.

4 MS LESLIE: And the last point I want to ask you about was

5 the Lieutenant Governor's visit and you said, "We were

6 instructed not to say anything to the visitors"; who

7 gave that instruction?

8 A. Mr Lundy.

9 MS LESLIE: Thank you.

10 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Ms Leslie. Professor Cameron.

11 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Thank you. Good afternoon, Mrs X. Can

12 I go back to your early childhood and the [REDACTED]

13 that you say your sister told you about it.

14 A. Yes.

15 PROFESSOR CAMERON: And there was a doctor present. Do you

16 know who the doctor was, was it the GP?

17 A. It was one of my GPs, yes.

18 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Do you remember that, or is that just

19 what you were told by your sister.

20 A. No, I remembered it, but I thought it was a dream, if

21 that makes any sense.

22 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Sure, it does. Okay, thanks for that.

23 Now, you had these two spells in the psychiatric

24 unit when you were a child. Was that unit at the

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1 A. Yes.

2 PROFESSOR CAMERON: And was it only children who were in it?

3 A. Yes, but it was joined on with the adult one. There

4 were locked doors between the two sections.

5 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Were there other doors locked in the

6 unit you were in, or was it only that door?

7 A. No, there were other doors that were locked, but only

8 like the main doors, but it wasn't all the time because

9 I escaped a couple of times.

10 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Right. You spoke very positively about

11 the staff there being nice. Do you remember anything

12 that was in your mind treatment? Did people sit down

13 and talk to you about how you were feeling, or what was

14 happening? Did doctors come to see you?

15 A. I saw psychologists and like the staff would always sit

16 and talk to us. I remember when I was a lot younger,

17 before the psychiatric unit, I went -- I think it was in

18 England, I've just remembered it. They put all those

19 things on your head. I remember that happening when

20 I was little, but in the psychiatric unit I saw like my

21 psychologist and the nurses and everything, but --

22 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Did you feel that any of that was

23 helpful to you?

24 A. Not really, because I don't even know why I was in there

25 for then either.



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1 PROFESSOR CAMERON: So you didn't really understand what was

2 going on, it didn't really make sense to you; is that

3 what you are saying?

4 A. Yes.

5 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Thanks. You described how you felt

6 frightened when you got to Les Chenes and that the doors

7 were all locked. How did the staff carry the keys?

8 A. It was a big bundle on their -- keyring on their --

9 PROFESSOR CAMERON: They had them on a chain?

10 A. Yes, like a -- it was hooked onto their -- like the hook

11 of their trousers and they used to have to unlock it

12 that way.

13 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Did all the staff have a set of keys

14 like that?

15 A. I think there was a couple that didn't: the gentleman

16 I spoke about before and I don't think the PE teacher

17 had them.

18 PROFESSOR CAMERON: But that meant that anywhere you had to

19 go in the building you needed a member of staff with --

20 A. Keys.

21 PROFESSOR CAMERON: -- this set of keys?

22 You described that a female member of staff would on

23 occasions put you into the ball court, I think, which

24 sounded like you were describing that as being

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1 A. Yes.

2 PROFESSOR CAMERON: When you were put in there -- and that

3 was outdoors I take it -- were you locked in it?

4 A. Yes, but it was an outside -- it was just like a wire --

5 wired in place and there was the main door in and out

6 and the door was locked and we were left out there.

7 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Usually on your own?

8 A. Yes.

9 PROFESSOR CAMERON: And for how long would that be?

10 A. An hour, sometimes -- I saw a couple of boys out there

11 at times for a few hours.

12 PROFESSOR CAMERON: You did manage to get your CSEs while

13 you were at Les Chenes.

14 A. Yes.

15 PROFESSOR CAMERON: On reflection do you think that you

16 would have managed to do that had you not been at

17 Les Chenes, or ..?

18 A. No, I wouldn't have done it if I wasn't there.

19 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Did you get help with your work for the

20 CSEs? Did people sit down outside class and help you

21 with homework, or preparation for the exams?

22 A. For the exams they would sit and read through old exam

23 papers with us and say "This is what happened" and just

24 go through the papers with us, but that was it.

25 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Okay, thank you. In response to



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1 Ms Leslie you said that you were all kind of kids

2 together and there wasn't a tension between different

3 groups.

4 A. Yes.

5 PROFESSOR CAMERON: But you also described that there were

6 some young people who were favourites.

7 A. Yes.

8 PROFESSOR CAMERON: What would make somebody a favourite, do

9 you think?

10 A. I haven't got a clue. The ones that I know that are

11 favourites, that were favourites, they -- I can't think

12 what their number is now. She just -- if your face

13 fitted, she liked you. And even with Mr Lundy there was

14 people that he had his favourites with, he used to play

15 rugby with, he used to work out with and -- but nobody

16 was -- there was no animosity between us because we all

17 just sort of stuck together.

18 PROFESSOR CAMERON: Okay. Thank you very much for that,

19 I've got no other questions, thank you.

20 THE CHAIR: Ms Jerram, any questions arising?

21 MS JERRAM: No, thank you.

22 MS LESLIE: Could I just ask one further question.

23 THE CHAIR: Yes.

24 MS LESLIE: Could I just ask something arising from

25 Professor Cameron's question about your qualifications,



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1 that you achieved a large number of certificates. Was

2 it ever suggested that you should go on and get higher

3 qualifications?

4 A. Yes, they asked me if I wanted to go on to Highlands and

5 I knew if I went to Highlands I would have to stay there

6 and I said no because I wanted to go home.

7 MS LESLIE: What made you think that you would have to stay

8 at Les Chenes --

9 A. That's what they told me.

10 MS LESLIE: That's what you were told. Thank you very much,

11 thank you.

12 THE CHAIR: Mrs X, I think that's all the questions now.

13 Can I thank you for coming today to tell us your story

14 and I thank you on behalf of your contribution to the

15 work of this Inquiry.

16 A. Thank you very much for being so nice.

17 THE CHAIR: Just wait there and we will clear the hearing

18 room and in your own time then you will be able to

19 leave.

20 A. Okay, thank you very much.

21 MS JERRAM: Members of the Panel, just for the benefit of

22 the general public and the Interested Parties, there is

23 another witness. I anticipate with the changeover that

24 witness won't start until at least quarter to 3.

25 THE CHAIR: We will sit again at quarter to 3.



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1 MS JERRAM: Thank you.

2 (2.30 pm)

3 (A short break)

4 (2.50 pm)

5 MR LIVINGSTON: Good afternoon, Madam Chair. This is just

6 to let you know that the witness this afternoon has only

7 just arrived and therefore we won't be able to start as

8 intended at quarter to 3, but in maybe another

9 15 minutes to half an hour.

10 THE CHAIR: Of course the witness must be allowed to settle

11 and we will await to be told when the witness is ready,

12 so if it is 15 minutes so be it, but if longer is needed

13 please just keep us appraised.

14 MR LIVINGSTON: Madam Chair, I have also just had a thought

15 that I was due to be doing openings on Norcott Villa and

16 Clos de Roncier after the witness; may I suggest that

17 I in fact do them now.

18 THE CHAIR: That's an excellent idea, thank you

19 Mr Livingston.

20 (2.51 pm)

21 (A short break)

22 (2.52 pm)

23 THE CHAIR: Mr Livingston, as we know, the witness has only

24 just arrived and so in order to give that witness time

25 we are going to move to further openings that you will



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1 address.

2 MR LIVINGSTON: Indeed, Madam Chair.

3 Summary of evidence on Clos de Roncier

4 MR LIVINGSTON: These are two summaries which I am going to

5 present on remaining Family Group Homes. This is to

6 bring together the evidence that you've already heard

7 and evidence which the Inquiry has gleaned from the

8 available documentation.

9 The first of these is two Family Group Homes that

10 were run by [REDACTED], firstly at Nicholson Park and

11 later at Clos de Roncier. The list of documents that

12 lie behind this summary can be found at {WD005074}.

13 Members of the Panel, during the opening for the

14 Family Group Home at [REDACTED] Mr Sadd touched on the

15 establishment of 46 Nicholson Park, which was the first

16 Family Group Home in Jersey and to briefly summarise,

17 you heard that this proposal of establishing Family

18 Group Homes was put forward by the Director of Education

19 in 1958 and in June 1959 the Education Committee

20 approved a budget for the purchase of three Family Group

21 Homes at that time, each to include approximately eight

22 children. By May 1960 the property at 46 Nicholson Park

23 had been identified by the Education Committee as

24 suitable and it was rented out by the States for this

25 purpose.



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1 At {WD005000} you will note that the post of house

2 parents was advertised. The house mother would receive

3 a salary and the house father to receive free board and

4 lodging in engage for work undertaken by him as

5 a house father.

6 From {WD005002} you will note that a doctor was

7 allocated in the same year to undertake the medical

8 attention required for children boarded out in Family

9 Group Homes.

10 [REDACTED] were offered the position of house

11 parents in August 1960 and by September the property was

12 ready for occupation. Children aged between nine months

13 and 14 years who had already been in care at that point

14 were admitted to 46 Nicholson Park in mid-September of

15 1960 and the reference for that is {WD004989}.

16 Initial reports that the Inquiry has seen suggest

17 that the home was functioning effectively with the

18 Children's Officer's annual report to the Education

19 Committee, in 1961 -- that's at {WD004986} -- stating

20 that the children are:

21 " ... now much welded into a family."

22 Members of the Panel, the evidence heard to date

23 relating to individuals who spent time at this and other

24 Family Group Homes will give you an indication of the

25 degree of contact maintained by Children's Services, and



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1 in addition oversight was maintained by the Education

2 Committee by way of biannual reports presented by the

3 house parents. An example of this which doesn't need to

4 be brought up on the screen can be found at {WD004991}

5 Madam Chair, by 1965 it was decided that the house

6 parents and residents of 46 Nicholson Park would be

7 transferred to a new Family Group Home at

8 Clos de Roncier. That can be found at {WD004988}.

9 From 1965 until the Family Group Home's closure in

10 1977, Clos de Roncier does not feature heavily in the

11 discussions of the Education Committee, nor the

12 Children's Sub-Committee that the Inquiry has seen and

13 as a result the information that we have on this Family

14 Group Home is limited.

15 To summarise briefly, the evidence that you have

16 heard to date in relation to Clos de Roncier includes

17 the evidence of witness 233 who lived there for three

18 years between 1965 and 1968 and then from 1969 until

19 1977. She alleged that she was physically and mentally

20 assaulted by [REDACTED], [509] with wooden spoons,

21 a cane and bare hands, and she also alleged that

22 [REDACTED], [690], made a pass at her.

23 Members of the Panel, this is evidence which you may

24 like to set against other accounts that you have heard,

25 such as that from witness 389, who moved to



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1 Clos de Roncier aged 10 and described the [REDACTED] as

2 "very nice people" and he had no negative memories of

3 the Family Group Home.

4 Members of the Panel, as you will see from the list

5 of documents, the closure of the Family Group Home

6 happens unexpectedly in 1977 after [REDACTED] passed

7 away.

8 The Children's Sub-Committee decided after this that

9 these children would be redistributed across the States'

10 available residential facilities and that [REDACTED]

11 would be given notice to quit and you will find the

12 reference to that at {WD004998}.

13 In the period that followed it was decided that

14 Clos de Roncier would cease to function as a Family

15 Group Home and therefore the property was returned to

16 the Housing Department and the reference for that is

17 {WD004993}.

18 Members of the Panel, that concludes the brief

19 summary of Clos de Roncier.

20 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Mr Livingston.

21 Summary of evidence on Norcott Villa

22 MR LIVINGSTON: Members of the Panel, this next summary

23 brings together the oral and documentary evidence

24 provided to the Inquiry about another of the Family

25 Group Homes, Norcott Villa, which was situated in the



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1 Parish of St Saviour. The list of documents lying

2 behind this summary can be found at {WD005075}.

3 Members of the Panel, this was the fifth Family

4 Group Home to open. In September 1968 the Education

5 Committee agreed to rent the property, subject to the

6 approval of the Finance Committee and at the time it was

7 thought that it would either be a replacement for

8 Nicholson Park, or would start a whole new Group Home

9 and, as you will recall, Members of the Panel, in 1967

10 [REDACTED] in fact replaced the home at Nicholson Park

11 and therefore the Group Home at Norcott Villa took a new

12 cohort of children.

13 By July 1969 house parents witness 791 and 585 had

14 moved into Norcott Villa and a group of children were to

15 join them within the month, along with two part-time

16 relief assistant house mothers. The reference for that,

17 which we don't need to turn to, is {WD005049}.

18 By March 1970, 791 had completed her probation

19 period as house mother and her appointment was confirmed

20 and the reference for that is {WD002050}.

21 However, Members of the Panel, you will see from

22 {WD005050}, which I would ask to be brought up on

23 screen, that two years later, by March 1972, a meeting

24 was held -- you can see this from the bottom of that

25 page -- between the Chairman of the Children's



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1 Sub-Committee, Deputy Mourant, the Senior Administrative

2 Assistant and the acting Children's Officer and they

3 held this meeting with witness 791, the house mother.

4 It is noted on the next page that "following adverse

5 reports affecting the care and control of the children

6 and adolescents" this meeting had had to be held. They

7 note that:

8 "[Witness 791] had not refuted the allegations and

9 it had accordingly been decided to recommend to the

10 Education Committee that her employment as a [resident

11 house mother] in a Family Group Home should be

12 terminated at once and that she be paid a month's salary

13 in lieu of notice. The Co-opted members supported this

14 action."

15 Members of the Panel, we do not have any

16 contemporaneous records showing what these adverse

17 reports related to, nor by whom they had been made.

18 Later that month a new couple, witness 332 and 331,

19 applied for the position of house parents at

20 Norcott Villa. They were offered the job in April 1972

21 and for your records, Madam Chair, at {WD005059} you

22 will note that the application took the form of

23 an application by the proposed house mother, a form with

24 the particulars of husband and applicant, as well as

25 references.



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1 You will note that the previous experience of 332,

2 the house mother, was in nursing and that both were in

3 their early 40s at the time. Sorry, I may be incorrect

4 with the dates of birth there.

5 Members of the Panel, we have a report from the

6 house parents dated April 1974 at {WD005053}. They give

7 a brief overview of the running of Norcott Villa due to

8 this being their first report. 332 writes:

9 "We had few preconceived ideas about the task ahead

10 of us, thinking that as the children's personalities

11 became known to us a pattern would evolve.

12 "We felt very strongly, however, that the children

13 needed affection, more comfort and good food; that they

14 needed discipline without harshness and needed to be

15 drawn out from the confines of the establishment and to

16 meet more people not connected with child care, and the

17 children needed more fun and laughter in their lives."

18 Members of the Panel, you may wish to consider this

19 note against the other evidence you have heard from

20 those working in child care at that time.

21 332 goes on to note in this report that they had had

22 problems with staff and with the property itself, as

23 well as difficulties in making allowances to meet the

24 rising cost of living.

25 They go on to provide a report about the



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1 individual children at Norcott Villa. Members of the

2 Panel, as you read this in your own time you will note

3 that you have heard evidence from many of these children

4 during the course of this Inquiry, albeit largely about

5 their time at other establishments and you will note in

6 respect of two of them in particular -- this is on the

7 next page {WD005053/158} -- 171 and 147, the house

8 mother records that these children were:

9 " ... with us for the year, but were removed to

10 Haut de la Garenne. They were totally incompatible with

11 the other children in the family group."

12 Members of the Panel, in light of these comments by

13 the house mother you may also wish to consider

14 {WD005057}, which was written a few years later and is

15 a court report for witness 43, 171 and 147's brother.

16 This notes that there had been a marked improvement in

17 171 and 147 from their initial admission to

18 Norcott Villa in July 1969 until the first set of house

19 parents had left in 1972. It goes on to note that:

20 "[147 and 171] did not relate well to the new

21 [house parents] and became openly hostile. For the

22 security of the other children at the home they were

23 returned to Haut de la Garenne." {WD005057/143}

24 Members of the Panel, going back to that report at

25 {WD005053}, the house parents conclude by saying:



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1 "On the whole we feel we have been able to create

2 a warmer, friendlier atmosphere. We enjoy caring for

3 the children and hope they are as happy as it is

4 possible for them to be." {WD005053/159}

5 A further report was completed some six months later

6 which can be found at {WD005054}, and you may wish to

7 consider the writing by the house parents about how they

8 see their roles. They say:

9 "Our aim is most definitely to provide a family

10 atmosphere in which the children may develop physically,

11 mentally and emotionally, despite the damaging effects

12 of former deprivations, for many of them come from

13 seriously disrupted or disturbed families. This does

14 make great demands upon the professional skills of the

15 [house parents] but it is our hope that over the years

16 we shall enable the children to forge those bonds of

17 love and loyalty they so badly lack, and find so

18 difficult to make at this stage."

19 Members of the Panel, neither of the house parents,

20 to the Inquiry's knowledge, had previous experience in

21 child care at that time or qualifications and so that

22 reference to professional skills it is believed can be

23 read in the context of the house mother's nursing

24 experience.

25 Members of the Panel, the next document I wish to



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1 take you to is {WD005062} which gives an insight into

2 the selection of children for Family Group Homes. It is

3 a memo from Jim Thomson to Brenda Chappell and notes

4 that there are three vacancies and eight prospective

5 candidates, all of whom are at Haut de la Garenne. It

6 goes on to identify the four strongest candidates,

7 giving a brief outline of their backgrounds. Thomson

8 concludes on the next page {WD005062/122} by saying:

9 "No further steps will be taken at the present time

10 until clearance is received to use the vacancies

11 available at Family Group Home, Norcott Villa."

12 This of course is in Jim Thomson's role as Senior

13 Child Care Officer at that time, Madam Chair.

14 In respect of one of the children selected,

15 witness 316, we have a record at {WD005061} which

16 records that she couldn't thrive at Haut de la Garenne

17 as she was a "passive, sensitive girl amongst very

18 forceful and disruptive children" and therefore she

19 would be placed in Norcott Villa.

20 The note from Anton Skinner, her Child Care Officer,

21 states that although the Family Group Home was not

22 considered ideal placement for her, given the presence

23 in the home of two other specific children, it was

24 "infinitely preferable to the group at Haut de la

25 Garenne".



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1 Members of the Panel, this may provide an insight in

2 understanding the way that the Family Group Homes, in

3 comparison to the residential homes such as

4 Haut de la Garenne, were viewed at this point.

5 Madam Chair, in terms of the home itself I will run

6 through how that progressed. These documents do not

7 need to be brought up on screen.

8 The document at {WD005055} shows that in March 1976

9 the Children's Sub-Committee recommended the renewal of

10 the lease of Norcott Villa, at that time for three

11 further years, with an option for further renewal.

12 However, four months later in July 1976 the

13 Children's Officer provided a report on the future needs

14 of the Children's Services at {WD001406}. This is

15 a document you have already been taken to in the opening

16 on the [REDACTED] Family Group Home, but suffice to say

17 for present purposes that there are no specific

18 recommendations in this report about closure of any of

19 the homes.

20 Despite this {WD005051} shows that in November 1976

21 the Children's Sub-Committee considered and accepted the

22 report and decided to recommend closure of Norcott Villa

23 and Clos de Sables within the next two years. It is

24 somewhat unclear to Counsel to the Inquiry as to where

25 this recommendation came from, as it does not appear in



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1 the Children's Officer's July report.

2 The Sub-Committee recommended in November that

3 Norcott Villa was to be returned to the owner and the

4 family moved to Le Squez, which would be vacated and

5 that in order to achieve this objective there should be

6 a rundown of admissions so that when numbers fell to

7 four vacancies were not to be filled and the house

8 parents would then be given three months' notice of

9 closure.

10 By April 1977, some six months later, {WD005056}

11 notes that the owners had sold Norcott Villa and had

12 asked for vacant possession by September 1977 and this

13 accords with the evidence given by Tony Le Sueur at the

14 beginning of this Inquiry. The Sub-Committee approved

15 the proposal to move the family to Le Squez and noted

16 that to facilitate the transfer the number of children

17 at the home would be reduced progressively to six.

18 This appeared to have taken effect, Madam Chair, and

19 in September 1977, 332 and 331 transferred, along with

20 some of the children, to the property at Le Squez.

21 The Family Group Home remained under the care of 332

22 and 331 for three years following this

23 until January 1980 and if we turn to {WD005060}, you

24 will note that at that point 332 and 331 had separated

25 in the December of the previous year. The Education



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1 Committee noted that no immediate action needed to be

2 taken as 332 would be able to cope with the home in the

3 short-term. However they made the following

4 recommendations: 332 was to be transferred at her

5 request to a post of residential Child Care Officer at

6 Haut de la Garenne and be given support for

7 accommodation; a local advert was placed for a married

8 couple to take over and in policy terms the Committee

9 decided that the word "family" was to be deleted from

10 the phrase "Family Group Home" and the establishment was

11 to be seen as a Group Home, enabling the maximum number

12 of children accommodated to be increased to ten.

13 Members of the Panel, you may wish to consider this

14 change of wording in light of the fact that as you will

15 likely recall the Maguires took over as house parents at

16 Le Squez in 1980 and this later became known as the

17 Blanche Pierre Family Group Home, about which you have

18 already heard considerable evidence.

19 Members of the Panel, when reviewing the operation

20 of Norcott Villa as a whole you may wish to note at

21 {WD001406} that there are references to the number of

22 children at the home which, when including the house

23 parents' own children, you may consider a large number.

24 Madam Chair, briefly to summarise the evidence you

25 have heard about Norcott Villa, you have heard from



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1 about 10 to 15 witnesses who spent time there thus far.

2 In relation to the [REDACTED] there appear to be two

3 allegations made against them: one is from witness 399

4 and relates to minor physical abuse and the other is by

5 witness 43, which also relates to physical abuse

6 allegations. Some corroboration is provided in relation

7 to that allegation by an officer's report relating to

8 a member of staff at Norcott Villa who recall seeing

9 witness 43 being dangled out of a window. However, that

10 witness said that she couldn't be sure which set of

11 [REDACTED] this was and the reference for that is

12 {WD000979}.

13 Members of the Panel, you will wish to balance these

14 two allegations against the accounts of several

15 witnesses who gave positive accounts of their time

16 there, describing [REDACTED] as "brilliant" and "nice".

17 In relation to [REDACTED], 331 and 332, you have

18 heard complaints from four witnesses: witness 83, 147,

19 171 and 43. These range from allegations of physical

20 assault and humiliation to an allegation of sexual

21 abuse, and you may wish to balance this against

22 a description by witness 36 of [REDACTED] as "lovely",

23 as well as others who make no complaints about their

24 time at the home under 331 and 332.

25 Finally, Madam Chair, for your records we have



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1 officers' reports at {WD005064} and {WD005065} which

2 relate to some of these allegations against [REDACTED]

3 and the conclusion is that there is no possibility of

4 a successful prosecution being mounted on the

5 allegations made by witness 171.

6 Members of the Panel, that concludes this summary on

7 the two Family Group Homes and I believe we should now

8 be ready for the live witness.

9 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Mr Livingston. We will rise briefly

10 in order to facilitate that witness who is giving

11 evidence anonymously.

12 MR LIVINGSTON: He is giving evidence anonymously so

13 I believe we will have to clear the room --

14 THE CHAIR: For the witness to be made comfortable, so as

15 soon as he is ready, we will start. I estimate about

16 five minutes.

17 MR LIVINGSTON: I am grateful, Madam Chair.

18 (3.17 pm)

19 (A short break)

20 (3.24 pm)

21 THE CHAIR: Good afternoon, Mr Sadd.

22 MR SADD: Good afternoon, Madam Chair. The afternoon

23 continues with witness 634, Mr L. His Inquiry statement

24 is to be found at {WS000491} and police statement at

25 {WS000431} and Mr L would like to take the oath.



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1 Witness 634 (sworn)

2 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Mr L. Just put that to one side now.

3 Make yourself comfortable. As you have probably been

4 told, we will break in about an hour to give the

5 stenographer that break, but if you need any time before

6 then, please just indicate and we will accommodate you.

7 Make yourself comfortable and Mr Sadd will start his

8 questions.


10 MR SADD: Please could we have up on screen {WS000491}.

11 Thank you very much. Mr L, what we are about to have on

12 screen is your statement and if we go to the last page

13 of that statement {WS000491/11}, I think you have seen

14 this statement without the black rectangles on it. If

15 we go to the bottom of that page, can you see the

16 writing there?

17 A. I do.

18 Q. Is that your writing?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. And just above that you will have signed this statement.

21 When you did so were you happy with what was set out

22 there, that it was the truth as far as you can remember?

23 A. Yes.

24 Q. You were?

25 A. As good as I can.



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1 Q. Well, if we go back to the first page {WS000491/1}.

2 One or two things to say by way of introduction,

3 Mr L. This is not a test of memory. You are not being

4 cross-examined. You've come here to assist the Inquiry,

5 so if there are things that you forget, that's perfectly

6 fine; equally if there are things that occur to you that

7 aren't in your statement, please share those with

8 the Inquiry. You have as much time as you need and if

9 you are happy to do so we will start looking at your

10 account of your time in the care of the States. Are you

11 happy to do so?

12 A. Yes, I am.

13 Q. All right. So we can see from that first page that what

14 you will be telling us about, from paragraph 2, is how

15 you spent time in Brig-y-don and at La Preference. At

16 paragraph 3 you say, very frankly, that your memories

17 are "hazy" and more I think came to you when you spoke

18 to the police in 2008, especially in relation to

19 Gordon Wateridge, is that right?

20 A. That's correct.

21 Q. Thank you. If we go over the page please {WS000491/2}

22 and at paragraph 7 -- we have just dealt with

23 paragraph 6 with the reference to Gordon Wateridge. We

24 know that you were born in 1959 and you came to be

25 placed at Brig-y-don and you say:



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1 "I don't remember much about the place ..."

2 Do you have any idea how old you would have been at

3 the time you were at Brig-y-don? Would it have been

4 about four or five?

5 A. I'm not sure. Possibly older.

6 Q. But you're not sure?

7 A. No, no. I wouldn't be able to say.

8 Q. All right. When you say, for instance, in the second

9 line there at paragraph 7 "I remember feeling fear

10 whilst I was there", is that a reflection from hindsight

11 after all these years and therefore you might not be

12 sure about, or is it something that you feel very clear

13 about?

14 A. I was really clear about, because I had been punished,

15 so I remember a lot of people that were there.

16 Q. You felt that you were being punished by being at

17 Brig-y-don?

18 A. Well, they did slap you, so yes. When you're being

19 punished it is quite confusing.

20 Q. It's my fault, Mr L, but I think we were talking at

21 cross-purposes. The fact of your being at Brig-y-don,

22 was that something you saw as a punishment in itself?

23 A. No, no, no.

24 Q. But you say that when you were there playing as a child

25 you would be caught and beaten until your legs were raw.



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1 A. Yeah.

2 Q. And who would you be beaten by?

3 A. Just staff, so -- I don't know. I don't recall any

4 names at all from there.

5 Q. We come on to your account of being placed at

6 La Preference where you say you went when you were aged

7 about five or six and that you would make periodic trips

8 with your siblings. Again so that the Inquiry can

9 understand about the span of time you were at

10 La Preference, was this over a continual period that you

11 were there, or were you in and out from what you can

12 remember?

13 A. In and out.

14 Q. In and out. Are you able to help the Inquiry with how

15 long the longest period of your time at La Preference

16 was? Was it a matter of weeks or months?

17 A. Probably a week, two weeks. Just so as our mums could

18 get a rest.

19 It's hazy, I can't recall the time. It was so long

20 ago.

21 Q. All right. When you were there, Mr L, do you have any

22 recollection for instance of how many children were

23 there at the same time as you?

24 A. Um ...

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1 A. There wasn't a huge amount of children. I couldn't put

2 a number on it. It seemed -- I don't know.

3 Q. When you did stay, and I think what you've just told

4 the Inquiry is that the longest period you stayed there

5 would have been about two weeks, where is it that you

6 would sleep?

7 A. In a room. They gave you a room. I was normally with

8 my brother.

9 Q. You were with your brother. Would you have been with

10 other children sharing that room?

11 A. No.

12 Q. You say later on in your statement that you think you

13 would have stopped going to La Preference whilst you

14 were still at primary school, or at least before you

15 went to secondary school; is that about right?

16 A. Yes, I guess.

17 Q. Can we go then please to paragraph 10 {WS000491/3}.

18 You've described previously in paragraph 9 how you would

19 try and escape and then you talk here at paragraph 10

20 about:

21 "La Preference was run by Joan Paisnel ..."

22 Am I saying that name right?

23 A. Paisnel.

24 Q. " ... who lived at the home with her husband,

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1 Whose name is familiar to the Inquiry. You say

2 about Joan Paisnel she was "not a nice woman". Before

3 we get to your evidence about her, or your memories of

4 her, who else, as far as you can remember, worked at

5 La Preference? So for instance, the Inquiry has heard

6 evidence about a Mrs Walden; does that name ring any

7 bells?

8 A. Not to me.

9 Q. Can you remember if there were other members of staff at

10 La Preference, apart from Mrs Paisnel?

11 A. I remember an elderly -- an older woman being there.

12 Q. What was this older woman like?

13 A. She seemed to be okay.

14 Q. You say that Miss Paisnel was not a nice woman:

15 " ... she would hit the kids a fair bit."

16 In what circumstances would she hit, that you can

17 remember?

18 A. There was one instance where we were jumping in the back

19 of a Bedford van, which was like a minibus. Upon her

20 return and they said -- I'd been jumping around the

21 seats and she just laid into me.

22 Q. And you give an account of that in your statement, but

23 aside from that incident are there any other incidents

24 in which Joan Paisnel hit you, that you remember?

25 A. I just remember her being -- this person -- strong and



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1 you just didn't cross her, you know.

2 Q. So in response to my question are there incidents of you

3 being hit by her, you can't remember, or they didn't

4 happen?

5 A. I can't remember.

6 Q. You can't remember?

7 A. No.

8 Q. Thank you, Mr L.

9 You refer there to her husband. Did he have a role

10 at La Preference, as far as you can remember? Again

11 this is looking, I understand of course, through the

12 eyes of a child, but did you gain the impression that he

13 worked there, or he just stayed there?

14 A. He was there quite a bit, which is surprising. He was

15 there a lot.

16 Q. You say this at paragraph 11 {WS000491/3}, Mr L, second

17 line:

18 "It [that is La Preference] was run in a way that

19 wouldn't be allowed now."

20 What do you mean by that?

21 A. It was just wrong. He shouldn't have been in there

22 because he wasn't -- he didn't have a placement there,

23 but he was in that home.

24 Q. And apart from that, which I don't want to belittle in

25 any way, but if we leave that to one side what other



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1 aspects of the home do you say wouldn't be allowed now?

2 A. Just -- going to bed, you were changed by a girl who

3 seemed to be in care there and you just lined up and you

4 all got changed and it was just quite bizarre when

5 I look back at it all.

6 Q. I think if we go to paragraph 21 of your statement

7 {WS000491/5}, you say at paragraph 21:

8 "La Preference was an awful, violent place."

9 Can we contrast that, Mr L, with the police

10 statement that you have exhibited to your statement and

11 we will just have a look at that now for you to help

12 the Inquiry with the evidence that you would want them

13 to take from your being here today. So if we go to

14 {WD004804/3} and just to give you a chance to

15 accommodate yourself, as it were, Mr L, with what we're

16 looking at there, this is a statement that you gave to

17 the States of Jersey Police. We can see the date at the

18 top there, 29 February 2008. Do you remember doing

19 that?

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. Thank you. At paragraph 4 you set out being at

22 La Preference and you describe what it was like being

23 there, this is paragraph 5, and you come on to describe

24 an incident that you deal with in your statement to

25 the Inquiry at paragraph 6 about you being physically



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1 assaulted by Mr Paisnel. But if we go over the page

2 please {WD004804/4}, you say at paragraph 8:

3 "I am not aware of anyone else being abused there;

4 we did keep trying to escape but were always taken back.

5 Our parents would drop us off and I used to be

6 physically sick when they left us. It was horrible. It

7 was a vegetarian home and I hated vegetables. I had

8 great times with the other children, and the older

9 children used to wash and dress us."

10 If we can go back to the Inquiry statement please

11 {WS000491/4}, paragraph 14, you say at the very top of

12 that page:

13 "I don't remember seeing any abuse against anyone

14 else."

15 So we've looked at different descriptions of your

16 time at La Preference. What is it that you would like

17 the Inquiry to understand about the place? We have seen

18 one description that says that you had great times with

19 other children. Now that you are here today and you are

20 talking to the Inquiry about La Preference, what do you

21 want the Panel to understand about the place?

22 A. It was open to abuse. To have that man in that building

23 after one attack which was publicly made, my parents

24 rung up the home and were told, "It's all right,

25 Edward's here, everyone's safe". Of course we weren't



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1 safe. I look back in disbelief, absolute disbelief.

2 Q. Would it be fair for the Panel to conclude that his

3 presence there has in effect informed your view of the

4 place generally?

5 A. I've tried to block a lot of what happened there out.

6 I remember playing with the other boys, building

7 go-karts, but the things that happened when I was

8 attacked by him had long lasting repercussions I had to

9 live with, so it cast a shadow, yes.

10 Q. All right, thank you for that. If we go back a page of

11 the statement, paragraph 13 {WS000491/3}, where you set

12 out your fear and you talk about you sharing a room and

13 you could hear, you say, Mr Paisnel talking at night to

14 the other boys. Just one brief matter there: what made

15 you aware that it was him?

16 A. His voice.

17 Q. Sorry, say again?

18 A. His voice. A man's voice, a distinguished voice.

19 Q. And at paragraph 14, which we have already looked at,

20 {WS000491/4}, you say in the last sentence there:

21 "I didn't know then what was happening but looking

22 back now I suspect that [other boys] were being abused."

23 Is there anything that you can help the Inquiry with

24 today that supports that view?

25 A. I was in fear of sleeping because I was terrified of the



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1 man and to hear him talk and talk and to be in fear.

2 I was scared to go to sleep.

3 Q. Mr L, in relation to the issue of your suspecting other

4 boys may have been abused, what can you help the Inquiry

5 with to support that, aside from your fear of him?

6 A. What the hell was he doing in the home at night, of

7 an evening, so often? They warned me not to go near

8 this coach, so they were very wary of him, hence that's

9 why I was warned. He shouldn't have been anywhere near

10 the home.

11 Q. Thank you, Mr L. At paragraph 16 {WS000491/4} you again

12 set out your concerns and you make reference to an issue

13 about fingerprinting. Just one aspect that I've been

14 asked to follow up with you; just what is your source

15 for that information? This is the second line of

16 paragraph 16.

17 A. I read it on an article, whether that was on the

18 internet, I don't know, because I was -- I didn't

19 realise why, but I was -- at age 16 this book come out

20 and I couldn't even look at this book and I wasn't aware

21 why really and to read he was one of two men, it's just

22 unbelievable, unbelievable.

23 Q. We know from paragraph 22 of your statement {WS000491/5}

24 that you read Mrs Paisnel's book. Would it be fair for

25 the Inquiry to conclude that what they read in



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1 paragraph 16 is -- and maybe for understandable reasons

2 on your part, Mr L -- speculation?

3 A. No. I mean how can I speculate? What I know is what

4 happened and it's over a long period of time. You can't

5 speculate about what happened there and what I remember,

6 what I feel and what I saw and what remains with me

7 today.

8 Q. Thank you, Mr L. Then if you are happy to do so we will

9 move on to paragraph 18 {WS000491/4} and the description

10 that you set out there of what happened to you, over the

11 page at paragraph 19 {WS000491/5}, and just again so

12 that the Inquiry can understand the full extent of the

13 evidence that you're providing, could we briefly go back

14 to the statement that you provided to the police, so the

15 reference there is {WD004804/3}.

16 If we look at paragraph 6, please, of your police

17 statement, Mr L, and again with the qualification that

18 you can assist the Inquiry with what they should

19 understand of your evidence; when you were speaking to

20 the police in 2008 you describe the incident, about how

21 you were hit and thrown about, and you say:

22 " ... I didn't see his face but I knew it was him."

23 We know from looking at your Inquiry statement just

24 a moment ago that you are more confident now that it was

25 him. What led you to being more confident that it was



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1 him?

2 A. It was him. That's all I can say. To be walking in

3 there and to be hit so hard and to see it so visually

4 and clearly, it was terrifying, but I can't remember

5 anything after, nothing.

6 Q. Mr L, thank you.

7 A. I've no doubt in my mind who it was.

8 Q. If you are happy to do so we will move on and we will go

9 to page 6 of your statement to the Inquiry {WS000491/6},

10 paragraph 23. You are not sure yourself why it was that

11 you stopped going to La Preference, but, as we have

12 already noted, it was before you went to secondary

13 school and then at paragraphs 24 to 26 you set out your

14 time at school. Would it be fair, Mr L, to summarise

15 that period as a difficult time for you?

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. Then we know that eventually, as you say at

18 paragraph 26, when you left school you were able to find

19 work and it's in that context that you come on to tell

20 the Inquiry about Gordon Wateridge and between

21 paragraphs 27 and 30 you set out your experience of your

22 contact with Gordon Wateridge.

23 Now, the Inquiry has heard evidence about

24 Mr Wateridge. You think that you should have gone to

25 the police, you say in your statement. Why do you think



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1 at the time that you found yourself unable to do so?

2 A. I didn't know if it would make any difference and there

3 was difficulty with my father. It was hard to do, just

4 to go against my father's wishes.

5 Q. From the police statement that we looked at, in that

6 statement you were providing the police with your

7 memories of Gordon Wateridge. Were you approached in

8 2008/2009 to give evidence at his trial, can you

9 remember?

10 A. No, I don't think I was approached to give evidence at

11 the trial. I just said what I had to say.

12 Q. You say at paragraph 34 {WS000491/8} that you are not

13 satisfied with the outcome of his prosecution.

14 A. No.

15 Q. Is that in relation to the sentence that he received?

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. In relation to Mr Wateridge and before we move on from

18 that, is there anything else that you would like to add

19 to your account of him and your experience of working

20 with him and the aftermath of that, that you feel

21 the Inquiry should know?

22 A. Not a very pleasant person. I regret actually going

23 forward because it brought up what happened to me in the

24 past. Quite a shock. I had suppressed everything and

25 you carry it and it scars you. You don't speak to



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1 anybody, you don't share it, I think possibly because

2 I thought I'd probably done something wrong. But I sort

3 of was not happy with the outcome of his trial.

4 Q. Then, Mr L, at page 9 of your statement {WS000491/9} you

5 helpfully provide to the Inquiry other observations

6 about individuals that you feel concerned strongly about

7 and at paragraph 38 you make a reference to

8 Haut de la Garenne and children needing shoes there and

9 you say that "that was the level of squalor there" at

10 Haut de la Garenne. Again so the Inquiry has a measure

11 of your evidence, aside from this reference to the

12 children not having shoes, on what else did you base

13 your view that there was squalor at Haut de la Garenne?

14 A. Talking to other children at school. The chap who told

15 me about them having no shoes is in his mid-70s and as

16 a child he walked to school and saw this. The children

17 I was at school with who were there I don't think they

18 enjoyed their time there.

19 Q. And then we move on to the difficulties -- and I hope

20 that word is chosen correctly, Mr L, if not please tell

21 me, but the difficulties that you have had as

22 a consequence of the abuse that you say you were

23 subjected to and in particular the physical encounter

24 with Mr Paisnel and at paragraph 41, page 10

25 {WS000491/10} you talk about what happened to you as



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1 a young teenager and you say at paragraph 44 that you

2 have had to seek counselling as a consequence. Are you

3 happy to share with the Inquiry whether or not you are

4 now in counselling, or is that something you --

5 A. I'm in counselling.

6 Q. And to what extent are you finding that that is helping?

7 A. It's too early. I've been advised I'll have to revisit.

8 It's quite daunting.

9 Q. Don't worry, Mr L. On the matter of, if you want, the

10 administration of the counselling, how long ago did you

11 seek the counselling that you're now getting?

12 A. I've been asking for counselling for about two years.

13 Q. And has that been through your GP?

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. How recently did you start your counselling?

16 A. Very recently. The last three weeks.

17 Q. Do you have an understanding, or has it been explained

18 to you why it is that it has taken the amount of time it

19 has for you to be able to start?

20 A. No. It's been so hard to get somebody to listen.

21 Q. Hard to get someone to listen?

22 A. Yes.

23 Q. All right. At paragraph 11 -- sorry, Mr L, you were

24 about to say something?

25 A. It's not only hard for me to get somebody to listen, but



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1 it's been hard to express myself.

2 Q. And is the counselling that you're receiving something

3 that you're paying for yourself, or that is paid for by

4 the States?

5 A. It's from the States.

6 Q. Then finally, Mr L, we look at the reflections that you

7 make on the care system in Jersey. I think would it be

8 fair to say that you are pessimistic about ..?

9 A. No.

10 Q. You're not pessimistic, you're optimistic about what

11 could happen?

12 A. No, not at all. Not at all.

13 Q. What would you want the Panel to consider when making

14 its recommendations in its final report? Are there

15 things that particularly concern --

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. -- you about the future of child care?

18 A. Absolutely.

19 Q. What are those things?

20 A. I really am worried that this will finish and my concern

21 is whether the States will implement guidelines and keep

22 these children safe. It just worries me whether they

23 will implement anything. Everything comes down to money

24 here and I don't see why the children in the future

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1 Q. And before I invite the Panel to ask any questions they

2 may have, is there anything you would like to add to the

3 account that you've provided both in your statement and

4 in your evidence today?

5 A. Yes. I understood -- I thought -- I've said Mrs Paisnel

6 and seeing one line in the report I now realise it

7 wasn't Mrs Paisnel at the home, but I understood in my

8 own little world as a child that it was, but being so

9 young that's what I understood, that's how I saw things.

10 Q. All right. I've finished with my questions, Mr L. It

11 may be that the Panel has questions to ask you. If you

12 wait there a moment. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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14 THE CHAIR: We have no questions, Mr L. Can I thank you for

15 coming today to give us your account. That now

16 completes your evidence and thank you for the

17 contribution to the work of this Independent Inquiry.

18 Thank you.

19 A. Thank you.

20 THE CHAIR: If you just wait there the hearing room will be

21 cleared and again thank you for attending today.

22 A. Thank you very much.

23 THE CHAIR: Mr Sadd, I think that completes all the evidence

24 for today, so we will rise now until tomorrow when we

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2 MR SADD: Madam Chair, that's right.

3 THE CHAIR: And some other evidence. So tomorrow morning at

4 9 o'clock.

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3 Summary of evidence on Brig-y-don ....................1 Family Group Home

4 Witness 673 (affirmed) ..............................17

5 Questions from COUNSEL TO THE INQUIRY ...........17

6 Questions from THE PANEL ........................63

7 Witness 624 (sworn) .................................74

8 Questions from COUNSEL TO THE INQUIRY ...........74

9 Questions from THE PANEL .......................124

10 Summary of evidence on Clos de .....................132 Roncier

11 Summary of evidence on Norcott Villa ...............136

12 Witness 634 (sworn) ................................147

13 Questions from COUNSEL TO THE INQUIRY ..........147

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10:14,21 81:21149:9 153:17157:15 164:6

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156:8 158:4 162:10long-standing (1)

65:22longer (7) 3:10 26:16

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58:21 60:7 61:662:25 65:1 71:886:6 88:25 98:20116:24 119:25123:25,25 124:22126:10 148:13,19149:8 150:21151:15,22 155:24156:10 162:23164:10 165:2

right-hand (1) 116:4rightly (2) 45:22

101:10ring (1) 152:6rise (2) 146:9 164:24rising (3) 6:19 10:23

138:24risk (1) 110:24road (1) 87:3Rodhouse (1) 10:8role (8) 2:8 4:9 8:16

9:20 12:5 13:2141:12 153:9

roles (1) 140:8Roncier (10) 131:16

132:3,11 134:8,10134:16 135:1,14,19166:10

room (36) 24:1 34:1,634:16 36:16,23

40:22 41:15,2042:8 45:8 49:6,772:14 73:3 81:789:2 91:11 92:1294:13,14,14 95:295:10 107:2,18,22108:1 124:14130:18 146:13151:7,7,10 156:12164:20

roommate (1) 96:9rooms (5) 28:6 46:23

105:5,8,13rough (2) 117:5,7roughly (4) 33:9

107:25 113:6 115:2round (3) 42:9 44:12

106:14route (1) 24:14routine (2) 67:6 76:24Royal (7) 23:21 52:12

69:18,21,24 70:270:13

rub (2) 94:22 118:2Ruddlesden (1) 96:6rugby (1) 129:15rule (1) 2:22rules (3) 2:21 3:19

81:5rumours (1) 118:22run (8) 1:22 4:9 15:12

109:4 132:10 142:5151:21 153:18

rundown (1) 143:6rung (1) 155:24running (2) 94:25

138:7rush (1) 73:10

SSables (1) 142:23Sadd (7) 132:14

146:21,22 147:7,10164:23 165:2

safe (5) 62:18 155:25156:1 163:22,25

salary (3) 13:25 133:3137:12

sat (5) 42:9 102:2107:11,12 108:17

satisfied (2) 115:21160:13

Saviour (1) 136:1saw (25) 21:13 36:2,7

36:23 42:14 50:152:4 79:17 90:1392:17 104:11106:21 110:9111:10 117:11118:23 119:2 120:5126:15,20 128:10149:22 158:6161:16 164:9

saying (11) 37:8,1447:21 77:23 122:8122:12,13 127:3139:25 141:8151:22

says (14) 33:14 57:2357:24 59:3 62:582:2,4 84:1,8 96:10116:25 117:15120:3 155:18

scare (1) 121:17scared (9) 25:15 37:12

111:3 114:8 116:13116:14,15,16 157:2

scars (1) 160:25

scary (1) 25:12scenario (1) 68:14scheme (2) 5:23

122:22school (24) 3:8 42:23

45:8 47:20 58:1959:18,20 70:571:11 75:23 84:288:11,20 105:21111:24 114:5151:14,15 159:13159:14,18 161:14161:16,17

schools (2) 71:13,15schoolwork (1) 88:18scope (2) 3:16 8:11scream (2) 37:1 90:4screamed (2) 36:25

92:17screaming (1) 93:1screen (18) 2:6 6:15

7:24 17:18 33:1154:24,25 55:174:12,14 81:25114:25 116:22134:4 136:23 142:7147:10,12

seats (1) 152:21second (8) 13:7 35:10

73:8 119:17 120:14149:8 153:16157:15

secondary (2) 151:15159:12

seconds (1) 91:4secretly (1) 39:24section (1) 88:23sections (1) 126:4secure (12) 26:10

27:21,23,25 28:5,728:12 31:4 65:1965:24 105:6,11

security (1) 139:22see (64) 1:11 7:9 11:4

11:19 13:16 14:1820:8 22:13 24:1230:4 32:6 34:20,2334:25 36:4 42:1142:13,13 43:646:15 51:3,5 52:1054:25 55:5,12 64:874:14 78:25 83:2,683:11 89:2,1990:15,22 94:2595:6,16 99:4100:23 103:1104:10 105:12107:17,20 108:13114:23 115:14116:4,22 117:12,15126:14 135:4136:21,24 140:8147:15 148:13154:17 158:22159:3 163:24

seeing (9) 22:19 25:1079:15 93:22,24121:14 145:8155:13 164:6

seek (2) 162:2,11seen (14) 43:18 52:20

58:16,23 61:2176:18 78:17 79:16121:19 133:16134:12 144:11147:13 155:17

sees (1) 59:4select (1) 16:8selected (1) 141:14

selection (1) 141:2self-harm (1) 72:12self-harmed (2) 71:20

119:19self-harming (2) 40:23

42:12send (1) 75:13senior (3) 59:21 137:1

141:12sense (2) 125:21

127:2sensible (1) 1:15sensitive (1) 141:17sensitively (1) 117:19sent (8) 27:21 75:7,8

77:14 81:23 110:18110:25 111:7

sentence (10) 23:1723:18,19 35:3 62:569:25 70:2 117:15156:20 160:15

sentenced (5) 23:1223:25 52:13,15,16

sentenced/remand...23:20

separated (1) 143:24separately (1) 91:18September (4) 133:11

136:4 143:12,19series (2) 8:4 116:4serious (1) 104:7seriously (1) 140:13service (2) 11:11

12:23services (27) 4:8 5:3

6:1,23 7:3,5,14 9:49:10,23 12:1 14:614:10,12 49:14,1649:22 51:1,2,3 52:280:9 110:7 111:11111:13 133:25142:14

session (1) 35:25set (15) 2:11,21 74:22

127:13,21 134:24139:18 145:10147:21 154:21156:11 157:12158:10 159:13,21

sets (1) 13:4settle (1) 131:10seven (1) 6:21severe (2) 109:14

119:11sexual (1) 145:20sexually (2) 75:1 77:6shadow (1) 156:9shake (1) 106:17Shakes (1) 97:7share (4) 85:18 148:7

161:1 162:3shared (6) 11:2,3,14

11:17,22 40:22sharing (4) 41:14,20

151:10 156:12she'd (1) 47:19sheet (1) 78:15sheets (4) 78:24 95:25

117:17 118:3shift (1) 124:9shifts (1) 124:8shock (1) 160:24shoes (3) 161:8,12,15shop (6) 53:13,21,22

54:1,1 64:12shoplifting (1) 19:23short (9) 8:17,17

16:23 63:10 73:1596:5 131:3,21

146:19short-term (2) 3:9

144:3shortly (3) 1:11 5:15

84:20shout (3) 37:3 90:3

92:25shouted (2) 44:21

92:16shouting (4) 56:18,19

57:14 96:25shoving (1) 92:17show (5) 75:20 81:24

104:22,24 105:5showed (3) 14:19

124:18,19shower (16) 34:8,8,14

34:20 54:13 55:894:14,14,15,18,1995:2,13,17 97:15106:23

showers (6) 32:2433:22 34:3,5,11,23

showing (1) 137:16shown (4) 25:25 26:6

85:10 115:8shows (3) 6:15 142:8

142:20shut (1) 121:4siblings (1) 150:8sick (1) 155:6side (6) 24:1 34:14

46:15 116:4 147:2153:25

sight (1) 107:10sign (2) 74:15 114:21signature (4) 115:15

115:17,21 116:19signed (2) 17:22

147:20significant (3) 8:11

13:13 69:5significantly (1) 83:21signing (2) 116:11,17silly (2) 19:21 20:16similar (2) 5:6 35:3similarity (1) 3:23Sinclair (1) 91:25single (1) 22:1sister (3) 60:19

125:13,19sisters (5) 74:24 75:23

76:15 77:12 82:18sit (13) 67:7 73:7,9,22

87:15 89:4 101:4126:12,15 128:20128:22 130:25164:25

sitting (4) 42:9 53:2489:6 120:20

situated (1) 135:25situation (3) 5:20

107:11 108:8situations (1) 65:4six (10) 2:17 8:21

11:15 18:11 26:2527:10 140:5 143:10143:17 150:7

size (1) 50:13skills (2) 140:14,22Skinner (6) 10:25 11:8

21:9,10 72:20141:20

skirts (1) 86:24slam (1) 93:22slammed (1) 94:20slap (2) 93:24 149:18slapped (3) 94:8,21

97:12



sleazy (2) 93:5,6sleep (2) 151:6 157:2sleeping (3) 28:18

86:1 156:25slept (3) 27:22 83:7

100:13slightly (2) 1:8 64:23small (3) 15:11 18:13

54:1smaller (2) 6:24 10:11smart (2) 100:8,10smartly (1) 64:11smell (2) 32:9 35:10smelled (2) 32:3 33:2smelt (1) 93:12Smith (2) 4:22 5:4social (6) 14:6,10 51:3

70:12 80:19 122:11society (2) 2:20,23softball (1) 89:14sold (1) 143:11solely (1) 9:22somebody (15) 40:10

40:10 49:23 54:754:15 55:18 58:180:8 85:18 87:696:21 105:17 129:8162:20,25

Somerset (1) 53:16somewhat (1) 142:24son (1) 111:23soon (2) 113:3 146:15sorry (8) 17:17 29:19

35:16 52:3 102:19138:3 156:17162:23

sort (23) 23:19 26:4,526:18 37:4,20 39:446:2 50:3 52:565:18 66:5 70:171:17,17 78:284:25 87:11 89:1394:2 99:22 129:17161:2

sorted (1) 60:12sound (1) 33:21sounded (1) 127:24source (1) 157:14sources (1) 13:4span (2) 2:1 150:9speak (12) 39:13 51:8

57:13 58:5 61:1161:12 91:3,4,5,5113:20 160:25

speaking (6) 29:1357:14 88:17 94:299:13 158:19

speaks (1) 59:4special (5) 75:11

79:25 100:11,15,16specific (5) 8:8 52:13

53:7 141:23 142:17speculate (2) 158:3,5speculation (1) 158:2spells (1) 125:23spend (1) 61:1spending (3) 11:4

31:3 52:18spent (9) 1:21 15:22

43:19 52:24 83:1283:17 133:23 145:1148:15

spirit (1) 45:15spoke (12) 32:19

39:19 51:1 63:1563:17 70:13 99:23102:3 117:24126:10 127:16148:17

spoken (1) 58:20spoons (1) 134:20sport (2) 46:8 87:12sports (6) 44:23,24,25

45:11 89:7,17squalor (2) 161:9,13Squez (4) 143:4,15,20

144:16St (3) 19:13 88:11

136:1stable (2) 40:7,9staff (61) 4:13,20,25

5:21 11:18 15:1,319:4 30:5,11,1631:19,21,22 33:635:5 38:16,1839:15 40:25 43:2,845:14 47:7 48:2153:25 66:24 79:2080:21 81:3,10,1586:18 88:13 89:2399:16 103:10104:20,23,24106:13,17 108:11109:4 116:25 117:4117:17,19 119:23120:1 124:3 126:11126:15 127:7,13,19127:22 138:22145:8 150:3 152:9

staff's (1) 30:5staffed (1) 8:21staffing (3) 4:11,13

8:22stage (3) 13:17 64:13

140:18stand (7) 44:17 68:21

68:23 86:20 93:23110:4 120:13

standard (2) 50:1384:4

standing (3) 60:9 93:894:25

stands (1) 35:18stanley (2) 72:13,13stark (1) 94:25start (15) 1:6,8,12

74:5 89:23 121:7124:1 130:24 131:7136:8 146:15 147:7148:9 162:15,19

started (3) 48:19 83:6108:7

state (2) 36:4,11stated (5) 3:13 11:8

12:3,10 57:24statement (74) 17:18

17:20,22 18:322:19 26:12 27:429:20 33:13 35:153:3 58:25 59:1,2462:4 63:20,21,2274:13,15,16,18,2275:17 76:8 77:481:20 84:17 91:899:1 112:18,20,24114:18,21 115:1,4115:7,8,9,14,19,24116:12,22 120:8,16120:23 146:23,24147:12,13,14,20148:7 151:12152:22 154:6,10,10154:16,24 155:10156:11 157:23158:14,17,23 159:9159:25 160:5,6161:4 164:3

statements (2) 52:3

120:10states (23) 1:24 11:23

13:6,9,24 14:6 15:515:9,12,16 33:1250:25 52:7 55:6,14120:11 132:24141:21 148:10154:17 163:4,5,21

States' (2) 13:2 135:9stating (1) 133:19station (3) 20:18 22:6

69:16stay (20) 8:17 18:13

18:19,21 36:948:14,16 64:2266:9 68:7 70:4 84:384:5,7,11,11109:23 130:5,7151:3

stayed (4) 19:1 21:21151:4 153:13

staying (1) 64:14steadily (2) 6:20 10:24stealing (1) 69:2stenographer (1)

147:5step (1) 4:1step-dad (1) 74:24steps (2) 86:4 141:9stinks (1) 96:13stole (2) 20:10 82:16stolen (1) 20:13stomach (1) 43:18stop (1) 30:21stopped (6) 79:7,8

104:8,10 151:13159:11

stories (1) 61:14stormed (2) 32:25

36:16storming (1) 94:19story (2) 74:1 130:13straight (7) 22:5 27:21

59:19 61:5 85:17110:19 111:21

straightened (1) 60:12strangling (1) 8:1strict (4) 85:4 116:25

117:4,10strolled (1) 64:11strong (2) 11:9 152:25stronger (2) 10:13

39:2strongest (1) 141:6strongly (6) 32:9,10

33:2 59:10 138:12161:6

struggle (1) 14:16stuck (3) 23:1 125:2

129:17students (3) 46:4

66:20 67:1stuff (3) 98:24 100:20

118:19stumbling (1) 30:21Sub-Committee (7)

134:12 135:8 137:1142:9,21 143:2,14

subject (3) 20:2 56:5136:5

subjected (1) 161:23subjects (1) 91:22subscriptions (1) 13:8subsequent (1) 14:18subsequently (2) 1:23

48:18substitute (1) 12:20successful (2) 11:24

146:4

suddenly (1) 64:4Sue (3) 51:1,6 63:18Sueur (1) 143:13Sueur's (1) 15:14suffer (1) 109:14suffered (5) 31:25

47:2 55:3 99:2119:11

suffering (2) 2:16 3:4suffice (1) 142:16suggest (3) 73:7

131:16 133:16suggested (1) 130:2suicides (1) 123:5suitable (2) 8:25

132:24suite (3) 65:24 105:6

105:11summaries (2) 1:13

132:4summarise (5) 27:7

132:16 134:15144:24 159:14

summary (14) 1:9,181:24 2:4 132:3,12135:19,21,22 136:2146:6 166:3,10,11

Sun (1) 113:14Sunday (6) 28:24,25

29:25 30:3 99:8,11Sundays (1) 29:21sunshine (1) 2:18supervised (2) 98:2,7supervising (1) 124:13supplied (1) 86:23support (11) 11:12

12:2,16,20 15:1743:8 82:23 123:16123:20 144:6 157:5

supported (1) 137:13supporting (1) 11:24supports (1) 156:24suppose (6) 31:2

39:12 88:21 98:1998:23 111:3

suppressed (1) 160:24sure (18) 17:4 30:16

62:23 68:19 73:2375:5 79:2 91:1998:25 108:21122:18 123:22125:22 145:10149:5,6,12 159:10

surfing (1) 46:4surprise (2) 26:10

54:18surprising (1) 153:14suspect (1) 156:22suspecting (1) 157:3sustained (1) 6:18swim (1) 46:5swimming (2) 87:14

87:17switched (1) 107:5sworn (4) 73:21 147:1

166:7,12synchronised (1)

87:17syncro (2) 87:14,17system (19) 27:5

28:21 39:7 42:150:6 81:6 84:2185:6 98:14,16101:2 103:8,17,20111:17 118:12,14118:16 163:7

T

tab (1) 115:12tablets (5) 79:2,3,8,13

79:21take (36) 1:10 16:20

17:5 24:2 41:954:16,23 56:8,1563:3,5 68:1 71:772:3 73:11,20 74:180:12 83:4 86:1586:22 87:14,1695:24 99:25 101:22103:3 112:6,8115:3 118:3 128:3141:1 144:8 146:25154:13

taken (37) 7:13 10:614:5 15:7 20:1122:4,5,8,14 23:2524:4,7,20,24 25:126:1,1 28:3 33:1241:10,11 43:545:17 50:10 69:1672:8 75:2 77:1984:20 90:11 103:15141:9 142:15143:18 144:2 155:4162:18

talk (53) 27:4 28:1130:4 31:3 35:3 38:438:11,18,20 40:1840:19 43:1,1144:23 45:14,1746:9 47:8,11 53:661:20 75:8 77:1,977:15 85:1 87:289:4 90:16 91:193:2,21 96:21 97:197:2,6 98:1 99:5,6104:3,17 105:14106:13 110:14117:9 122:17126:13,16 151:19156:12 157:1,1161:25

talked (1) 53:1talking (8) 99:7

104:21 107:16119:13 149:20155:20 156:13161:14

tantrums (3) 82:10,1282:17

targets (1) 30:20task (1) 138:9taught (3) 59:15 60:2

91:22teacher (11) 8:22 34:2

56:3 72:2 89:1990:1 91:23 96:1796:22 101:17127:16

teachers (12) 38:2042:15 44:13 50:850:17 71:7 88:296:18 97:3 98:12101:11 116:15

team (2) 52:4 71:13teenage (1) 83:1teenager (2) 82:14

162:1teeth (1) 92:16telephone (4) 51:8

63:17 112:22 113:3tell (25) 19:3 21:20

24:19 41:2 44:1147:12 51:10,1554:10 61:7 65:166:4,15 73:2580:25 81:5 97:9,11

100:7 109:12113:20 119:1130:13 159:19161:20

telling (3) 84:22 119:3148:14

temper (6) 38:6,8,982:10,12,17

temporarily (3) 3:2112:14 14:2

ten (4) 4:23 17:6 57:8144:12

tennis (2) 45:2 89:14tension (3) 7:2 14:8

129:2tensions (1) 124:25terminated (1) 137:12terms (21) 9:6 22:4

25:24 27:15 29:2330:12 34:7 48:2050:11 62:14 81:1382:11 86:1 93:1399:19 103:18120:10 122:24123:10 142:5 144:8

terrified (7) 80:1881:2 112:25 113:24114:1 121:4 156:25

terrifies (1) 121:15terrifying (1) 159:4test (1) 148:3thank (69) 1:17 16:15

16:21 17:4,10,1334:25 62:22 63:864:2 65:11,1267:20,21,22 72:972:10,21,22,23,2573:4,9,13,22 74:474:12,21 78:2584:16 96:21 112:11116:21 120:3,18123:21 125:9,10,11128:25 129:18,19129:21 130:10,11130:13,14,16,20131:1,18 135:20146:9 147:2,11148:21 153:8154:21 156:10157:11 158:8 159:6164:12,14,16,18,19164:21,22

thanks (2) 125:22127:5

theft (3) 23:13 82:1082:12

they'd (9) 30:20 50:1081:5 96:12 101:21102:5 103:25113:11,17

thing (12) 5:6 26:433:20 34:13 42:642:24 47:24 50:361:6 88:10 93:1094:2

things (26) 19:21 26:327:13 37:4,2039:24 44:6,10 46:246:6 56:25 60:1261:9 62:7 99:22100:15 106:4120:21 126:19148:2,5,6 156:7163:15,19 164:9

think (97) 20:20 23:925:2,3,20,20,2226:16 27:17,1829:15 30:2,25 38:938:14,24 39:24,24

41:10 43:3 48:1548:16 50:5 52:1054:13,25 56:1257:4 58:13 59:1059:11,14 60:2561:13 62:3,1763:20 64:21 65:3,965:10 66:20 67:1868:3,24 70:1072:13 75:21,2176:13 77:24 80:1080:10,15 82:2583:21 84:15 85:2591:19 98:17 99:16102:18,18,19108:21 109:1,21110:24 111:24115:5 117:24118:18,19 121:13126:17 127:15,16127:23 128:15129:9,11 130:7,12147:13 148:17149:20 151:3,12154:6 159:24,25160:10 161:1,17163:7 164:23,25

thinking (1) 138:10third (2) 50:23 99:6Thomson (2) 141:3,7Thomson's (1) 141:12Thornton (1) 4:10thought (11) 47:19

58:20 76:12,14100:3 121:14125:20 131:14136:7 161:2 164:5

threatening (1) 37:12three (12) 21:21

78:16 83:22 104:12132:20 134:17141:4 142:10 143:8143:22 162:16164:25

threw (1) 117:16thrive (1) 141:16throat (2) 33:18 93:25throbbing (1) 36:1thrown (3) 80:22,24

158:21thug (2) 32:3 35:23Thursday (5) 1:1

44:24 89:8 102:18102:20

till (1) 53:24time (141) 1:16,21 4:8

4:14 5:8 6:24 7:238:3,19 9:21 10:711:5 12:6 13:1514:13,20 15:2216:1,3 17:7,1218:16 19:6,9 21:421:10,12,13,16,1821:20 23:2,22 25:427:19 28:15 29:1331:3 33:9 36:15,2037:13,24 42:2043:20 44:12 45:2148:22 52:14,17,2453:14,18 54:4,8,1457:13,15 58:8,1558:23,25 59:461:17 63:3,5,1664:15,17,20 65:1768:16 69:4 70:573:2,11,25 76:279:3 80:7,11,14,1981:1,24 82:1 83:1183:17,22 85:8,9,21



87:10 94:22 96:598:7,17 100:4102:2,10 105:21107:1,21 109:1110:8 112:6 113:8121:22 126:8130:18 131:24132:21 133:23136:6 138:3,20139:2,5 140:21141:9,13 142:10145:1,15,24 147:5148:8,10,15 149:3150:9,15,19,23155:16 158:4159:14,15 160:1161:18 162:18

timely (1) 16:15times (21) 14:21 20:1

28:18 30:22 56:1365:21,23 66:4 67:267:3 68:20 71:192:5 99:21 100:6108:25 109:16126:9 128:11 155:8155:18

title (1) 55:2today (15) 15:20 58:9

59:10,11 121:25123:2 130:13154:13 155:19156:24 158:7 164:4164:15,21,24

toddler (1) 82:9toilet (2) 94:16 121:7toilets (1) 34:14told (63) 17:5 22:8,10

22:11 26:3,12,1827:25 28:2,2 43:1243:16,20 47:1953:17 54:13 58:958:13 65:17 66:1567:6 73:24 75:1075:12 76:15 77:1178:14,20,21 79:1479:20,24 84:23,2585:15 88:13 90:894:22 97:12,17,22105:9 106:15,23109:18,18 113:21114:17,19 117:2119:4,7 121:1124:22 125:13,19130:9,10 131:11147:4 151:3 155:24161:14

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