6 BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING - OC Fair

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11 OC Fair & Event Center

12 Administration Building

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14 Costa Mesa, California

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16 Thursday, January 26, 2017

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21 Reported By:

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1 APPEARANCES OF ATTENDEES:

2 BOARD OF DIRECTORS:

3 CHAIRMAN NICK BERARDINO

4 VICE CHAIRMAN BARBARA BAGNERIS

5 DIRECTOR STANLEY TKACZYK

6 DIRECTOR DOUGLAS LA BELLE

7 DIRECTOR SANDRA CERVANTES

8 DIRECTOR ROBERT RUIZ

9 DIRECTOR NEWTON PHAM

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12 KATHY KRAMER

13 JOSH CAPLAN, ESQ.

14 MICHELLE RICHARDS

15 KEN KARNS

16 ADAM CARLETON

17 KELLY SHELTON

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1 Costa Mesa, California, Thursday, January 26 2017

2 9:00 a.m.

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5 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: We'll call the meeting to 09:00

6 order. It's 9:00 o'clock and invite your attention to

7 the board here that expresses our mission statement.

8 And, Josh, we'll ask you to lead the Pledge of

9 Allegiance.

10 (Pledge of Allegiance stated.) 09:01

11 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Thank you, Josh.

12 Madam Secretary, if you'd please call the role.

13 MADAM SECRETARY: Chair Berardino?

14 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Here.

15 MADAM SECRETARY: Vice Chair Bagneris? 09:01

16 VICE CHAIR BAGNERIS: Here.

17 MADAM SECRETARY: Director Mouet.

18 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Director Mouet called me last

19 night, not for lack of affection or concern. He is

20 dealing with a number of issues in his new position as 09:01

21 acting city manager. He will be here next month, but he

22 sends his regrets.

23 MADAM SECRETARY: Director Aitken?

24 DIRECTOR AITKEN: (No response.)

25 MADAM SECRETARY: Director Tkaczyk? 09:01


1 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Here.

2 MADAM SECRETARY: Director La Belle?

3 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Here.

4 MADAM SECRETARY: Director Cervantes?

5 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: (No response.) 09:01

6 MADAM SECRETARY: Director Ruiz?

7 DIRECTOR RUIZ: Present.

8 MADAM SECRETARY: Director Pham?

9 DIRECTOR PHAM: Here.

10 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: We have a quorum. We'll 09:01

11 continue.

12 Madam CEO, your operational announcements and

13 updates.

14 (Director Cervantes joined the meeting.)

15 MS. KRAMER: Good morning and Happy New Year. 09:02

16 (Everyone responded "Happy New Year".)

17 MS. KRAMER: At the recent WFA convention in Reno,

18 Nevada, the OC Fair & Event Center received Merrill

19 Award. This is the top honor from your industry

20 association. This award is given for those entries that 09:02

21 demonstrate innovation, vision and excellence.

22 We were recognized for two of our biggest

23 community give backs during the OC annual fair, our

24 Friends of the Fair program and We Care Wednesday's

25 program. 09:02


1 In addition to the Merrill Award, OCFEC

2 received 17 achievement awards, including eight first

3 place awards for various fair time programs and

4 advertising promotions.

5 Just a little background. Friends of the Fair 09:02

6 program started many years ago when we saw a need to

7 provide a fair experience to guests with special needs

8 that might not otherwise be able to enjoy the fair

9 during normal operating hours. We open the OC Fair

10 early. RCS which is Ray Cammack Shows, our carnival and 09:03

11 midway provider, opened the carnival for our special

12 guests to enjoy the rides at no charge.

13 This year, Orange County Sheriff's Department

14 landed one of their helicopters during the event and the

15 Costa Mesa Fire Department brought a fire truck for the 09:03

16 kids to experience up close.

17 Thank you to all of our partners that helped

18 make this happen as well as OC Fair staff who were

19 willing to get up extra early on Friends of the Fair day

20 and volunteer their time for this very special event. 09:03

21 Our We Care Wednesday promotion is a win/win

22 for the community and our guests. Each Wednesday, our

23 guests can bring a donated item in exchange for free

24 admission into the fair. In 2016, together we provided

25 over 28 tons of food, over 56,000 new and used books, 09:03


1 over 37,000 pounds of clothing, and over 150,000 school

2 supplies for nonprofit community organizations.

3 I'm going to show you the video that we

4 presented as part of this award at the WFA.

5 (Video played.) 09:04

6 Job Well done, team.

7 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Bravo. Bravo

8 MS. KRAMER: Speaking of leading the industry, I'm

9 extremely proud of staff for taking leadership roles in

10 giving back to our industry during the WFA convention. 09:06

11 Dan Gaines, our director of entertainment was the

12 panelist in a workshop on "Growing Your Customer

13 Database." Gary Eldridge, our director of operations

14 and chairperson for a statewide training initiative

15 called "Maintenance Mini" participated in the trade show 09:07

16 promoting the annual event that provides operational

17 training for fairs.

18 Bianca Coolback, our director of HR, and

19 Evelyn Hernandez and Alyssa Tyner, both HR specialists

20 presented a workshop on effective fair employee 09:07

21 onboarding. This presentation concluded with an

22 overview of employee surveys, suggestion box, service

23 awards and recognition programs used by the OCFEC.

24 And I actually had the pleasure of attending

25 and that was a packed only session, so lots of good 09:07


1 follow up from the team.

2 Michele Richards, VP of business development

3 facilitated several workshops during the convention, and

4 I provided opening comments to kick off the convention.

5 I'd also like to thank Nick Boofa, director of 09:07

6 security and parking for his participation in the AIMS

7 which is an annual safety conference. He was approached

8 last year about creating the security track for their

9 convention and he developed and presented seven courses

10 for their membership as well as participating in their 09:08

11 educational programming.

12 I think that deserves another round of

13 applause. Job well done.

14 The finance staff has been busy closing the

15 books for 2016 and preparing year-end financials. At 09:08

16 the February board meeting, we will provide 2016

17 year-end results and the January financial reports.

18 Our legislative firm confirmed that they have

19 created placeholder language to amend SB 549. That is

20 the legislation allowing 50/50 raffles for qualifying 09:08

21 organizations. Over the next few weeks we will work to

22 finalize the language as well as identify legislative

23 support to author and/or possibly co-author this bill.

24 The deadline to have an author and introduce the bill is

25 February 17. 09:08


1 In a few weeks, February 15 to be exact, we

2 will officially open the doors of Heroes Hall and invite

3 the community to celebrate. Ironically, February 15 is

4 the 75th anniversary of SAAB, Santa Ana Air Base

5 opening. Our Heroes Hall museum truly has been 75 years 09:09

6 in the making and now this historical building has found

7 its final resting place. We will continue to serve the

8 community.

9 Please invite your friends and neighbors to

10 join us at 10:30 a.m. for a short presentation and the 09:09

11 doors will officially open at 11:00 a.m. that morning.

12 I'd now like to ask Michele Richards to give us

13 an update on February events.

14 Michele?

15 MS. RICHARDS: Thank you. Good morning, everyone. 09:09

16 As Kathy mentioned, we are anxiously awaiting

17 the opening of Heroes Hall on February 15th. As Kathy

18 mentioned, we will have a short ceremony beginning at

19 10:30 and then the doors open at 11:00. The museum will

20 be opened daily, 11:00 to 5:00, free to the public with 09:09

21 adjusted hours during the fair, of course.

22 One thing I wanted to mentioned, we're very

23 happy to announce that Mr. Gonzales who is the head of

24 the history department at Costa Mesa High School will be

25 bringing 65 of his AP U.S. History students. They will 09:10


1 be the first classes to tour Heroes Hall, so they'll be

2 there on the 15th and we invite everyone to come out and

3 join us.

4 We welcome back Fight Club OC boxing and mixed

5 martial arts together on the same night inside the same 09:10

6 ring on Thursday, February 16th, 7:00 to 10:00 in the

7 hanger. Admission is $60, kids five and younger are

8 free.

9 On Friday the 17th through Sunday the 19th, we

10 welcome back our Pacific Coast Sports Fishing show. 09:10

11 It's a three-day fishing, tackle, boat and travel show

12 with great seminars and awesome vendors for the novice

13 and seasoned fisherman. Tickets are $12, kids 12 and

14 younger are free.

15 The Gem Fair is coming back again the weekend 09:11

16 of February 24th through the 26th, featuring the finest

17 in gems, beads, jewelry, minerals, crystals and more

18 from around the world. $7 for a weekend pass, kids 12

19 and younger are free.

20 And the 40th annual Home and Garden Show is 09:11

21 returning to the OC Fair & Event Center. This is a

22 two-day show featuring everything in home improvement

23 and decorating. Plus unique garden displays and

24 gardening workshops and hourly do-it-yourself workshops.

25 That is Friday the 24th through the 26th. General 09:11


1 admission $6, seniors 60 over $4, and kids 11 and

2 younger are free.

3 And again returning to the OC Fair Event and

4 Center is the 45th annual International Goodwill Martial

5 Arts Tournament returning for a second year here at the 09:12

6 OC Fair & Event Center featuring sword and karate

7 competition that will be Saturday and Sunday, the 25th

8 and 26th. Tickets of $5. $3 for kids 4 to 11, and

9 three and younger are free.

10 And I did want to mention some upcoming 09:12

11 Centennial Farm Garden classes, Saturday, February 4th

12 from 9:30 to noon is Southern California avocados. So

13 if you're interested in learning how to grow avocados,

14 that is the class for you. $5 to cover the cost of

15 materials for the class. 09:12

16 On Saturday the 18th from 9:30 to noon, Urban

17 Chickens Demystified. So if you're interested in

18 learning how to raise urban chickens, that's the class

19 for you.

20 And then on Saturday the 25th is Home Grown 09:12

21 Tomatoes for Beginners. Preregistration is required for

22 these classes as space is limited and you can register

23 online at OC Fair.com.

24 And then on an ongoing basis we invite the

25 public to come and visit Centennial Farm. It's free to 09:13


1 the public, Monday through Friday, 1:00 to 4:00;

2 Saturday and Sunday, 9:00 to 4:00.

3 And of course, the Orange County Marketplace

4 every Saturday and Sunday from 7:00 to 4:00, featuring

5 cars and coffee on Saturday morning between 7:00 and 09:13

6 9:00.

7 And then our Farmers Market every Thursday

8 between 9:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. in front of the Pacific

9 Amphitheater box office.

10 So as you can see, the events do not stop at 09:13

11 the OC Fair & Event Center.

12 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Thank you.

13 Please stay there.

14 I want to, you know, address on the events,

15 there was a question related to have the fees for the 09:13

16 rental for these events, have they gone up? So I just

17 want to clarify.

18 They have gone up and I know the question was

19 asked and I think that question got lost because we have

20 fees for the rentals, for these things, and then we have 09:14

21 for the merchant things which haven't gone up.

22 And so there may have been -- you know, there

23 was a little bit of miscommunication in asking and

24 answering the question.

25 So yes, they did go up. 09:14


1 And this drew to -- as we talked about fees and

2 other things and other questions that come up,

3 Counselor, Vice Chair Bagneris and myself had a

4 discussion talking about as some of these questions come

5 up, we don't really have a chance to address them 09:14

6 because we don't get a chance to agendize them because

7 sometimes the inquiries come -- the inquiries may come

8 before -- or I mean, may come after the agenda is done.

9 So since it's done after the agenda, we don't.

10 But we want to, because we think that that will reduce 09:15

11 the amount of, you know, work that we're doing on the

12 front end. I mean we reduce the amount of work on the

13 back end by the front end being able to address these

14 issues.

15 Vice Chair Bagneris has expressed her concern 09:15

16 and I join her, strongly join her. If there's a way for

17 us to do that, maybe there isn't, then might help us in

18 terms of communication.

19 Because this is a very simple thing, somebody

20 asked a question, it was -- somebody was thinking of 09:15

21 another -- you know, thinking of another thing, answer

22 the question pursuant to the other question and it got

23 confused. And so this issue that we're talking about as

24 far as the rentals, it gets confused and we think it

25 would be easier for us to respond. 09:16


1 Is there any way of doing that?

2 MR. KARNS: There's one of two ways. One is that

3 there's public comment on issues that are not on the

4 agenda. Certainly any member of the board can direct

5 staff to put those specific items on the agenda for the 09:16

6 next meeting. And while there will be some lead time

7 while we have to wait -- well, we have to wait a month.

8 If you want to have a full board discussion on an issue

9 that a member of the public brings up, any board member

10 can put it on the agenda for the following meeting. 09:16

11 Alternatively, members of the public can

12 certainly reach out to individual members either after

13 the meeting, again, when there's not a quorum present

14 because you can't have a quorum of board members present

15 when you're not at a public meeting. 09:16

16 So there are ways to get questions answered for

17 the public, whether through the meeting process putting

18 items on the agenda or if the chair and vice chair wants

19 to make -- if you guys want to make sure yourselves

20 available or other members of the board, if they want to 09:16

21 reach out through their committees or individually to

22 answer some of these questions, it's certainly not my

23 place to step in, in that process.

24 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I would think -- and I won't

25 speak for Vice Chair Bagneris -- but in order to, again, 09:17


1 help facilitate the communication and keep the thing

2 moving so we're not always playing catch up or people

3 thinking we're avoiding things, we're not. We have

4 these strict rules that are imposed upon us, so for

5 myself, I will make myself available so that, you know, 09:17

6 you're able to contact me and anybody in the public that

7 wants to, the easiest way is to contact Kathy Yatch,

8 Y-A-T-C-H, at (714) 835-3355.

9 Contacting me directly is a pig in a poke now

10 because my phone is lost half the time. I don't know 09:18

11 what's wrong with me, but my phone's lost and then my

12 wife finds it in her purse. Okay. That was passing on

13 blame. Every man in the room is like their head's down,

14 you know exactly what I mean. No, don't get me involved

15 in this, but yeah, you get involved in it anyway. 09:18

16 So you could do that. We want to move quickly

17 and get the stuff answered because they're very simple

18 answers, nothing here that isn't. So (714) 835-3355.

19 Vice Chair Bagneris, are you -- if you can't

20 reach me or don't like what I say, I guess you can reach 09:18

21 out to -- I don't want to take -- Vice Chair Bagneris

22 actually has a real job. So we'll leave it at that.

23 MR. CAPLAN: Okay.

24 MS. RICHARDS: Thank you.

25 MS. KRAMER: Thank you, Michele. 09:19


1 At the board's request, I've provided a number

2 of hours staff has spent fulfilling public records

3 requests since the last board meeting. Total hours 83

4 at the cost of $3,901. That concludes my report.

5 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Thank you, Madam CEO. 09:19

6 Excellent report as always, full of wonderful things.

7 And we'll start having questions.

8 Director Ruiz?

9 DIRECTOR RUIZ: Yeah, I just have a comment before

10 questions. 09:19

11 First of all, congratulate staff on the awards.

12 Very well deserved.

13 And just questions in regards to the "We Care

14 Wednesday." How many nonprofits are recipients of the

15 of the goods, would you know of the top of your head? 09:19

16 MS. RICHARDS: Yes. So there are four, one for each

17 Wednesday during the fair.

18 DIRECTOR RUIZ: Okay. And how does the nonprofit go

19 about maybe signing up to be possibly a recipient of

20 those goods? 09:19

21 MS. RICHARDS: Every three years we put out a call

22 for proposals to the nonprofit community asking them to

23 submit their plan for how they might work with us. It

24 involves quite a lot of volunteer time on their part and

25 logistical requirements, so we want to make sure that 09:20


1 they're able to meet those requirements.

2 So those proposals are reviewed and then we

3 will assess the nonprofits that we work with on a

4 regular basis.

5 DIRECTOR RUIZ: Thank you. 09:20

6 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Okay. Any other questions from

7 any of the board members or comments?

8 If not, then we will move into matters of

9 public comments. I'll begin reading these. Okay?

10 We'll start with Kelly. 09:20

11 MS. SHELTON: Good morning, Chair Berardino, Board

12 and CEO. I wasn't going to speak, but just in the issue

13 that you have with getting back to community members. I

14 just wanted to highlight how we do it over at city hall

15 with the council. 09:21

16 We have an opportunity for council member

17 comments after public comment, so any of the issues that

18 come up at public comment we understand the council

19 cannot get into any discussions with each other about

20 items that have been brought up under public comment. 09:21

21 But what they do, do is direct staff -- staff

22 Mr. City Manager or staff, can you get back to this

23 person with an answer to that question, or whatever that

24 is.

25 So that's what we do over at city hall and then 09:21


1 we copy the council on any responses that we give to any

2 of those that have questions during the city council

3 meeting. So staff is there on hand. Staff, as in me

4 and a couple of other people, where we keep track of all

5 the public comment and any questions that come up. And 09:21

6 then we do our best to follow up with the community and

7 then make sure the council knows that we've done that so

8 that questions don't come up again in the future.

9 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Excellent. Kelly, thank you so

10 much. You have a lot of experience in doing this and 09:21

11 this comes as kind of a compliment, kind of.

12 In dealing with the City of Costa Mesa, dealing

13 with public comment, you know, there's probably no other

14 city that's more experienced. Thank you.

15 Anna, no last name. Anna, do you want to share 09:22

16 your last name or do you prefer to remain Anna?

17 MS. VRSKA: Yes, I do not mind. My last name is

18 Vrska, V as in Victor, R-S-K-A. I don't suppose this is

19 a place I can buy a vowel, is it?

20 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Maybe. 09:22

21 MS. VRSKA: A couple of items, I spoke on some of

22 these the last time at last month. I have a question

23 about the Trump Bill, if it was paid. And if it was

24 paid, who it was paid by.

25 My second item is the Pacific Symphony and 09:23


1 fireworks. Just a follow up in terms of I had some

2 questions about the noise ordinance and how the needs of

3 the public and peace of mind and the quality of life

4 will be balanced with, you know, the needs of the

5 Pacific Symphony and entertainment. 09:23

6 In terms of a more general comment, I believe

7 that every organization's decision should be based on

8 facts, data and transparency, especially budget numbers.

9 I'm finding that some things here aren't -- there isn't

10 as much detail and as backup as I feel there should be. 09:23

11 And also, while I do appreciate the amount of

12 hours and the cause that is being used to fulfill public

13 records requests, that specificity, I think it also can

14 have a deterring effect perhaps on people who want to

15 seek information and a chilling effect as well. So I 09:24

16 hope that isn't the case of why that's being so

17 specifically shown as opposed to some of the other

18 things that the residents are asking for.

19 So I would hope that also, you know, if we're

20 calculating public records requests and the hours, that 09:24

21 maybe also the cost of free tickets, other things that

22 are being given is also calculated so the residents and

23 the community can have a balanced view of what the costs

24 are at the fairgrounds.

25 So thank you very much for your time and enjoy 09:24


1 the rest of your day and meeting.

2 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Thank you, Anna.

3 Next Mary, no last name, but I know her last

4 name. Go ahead, Mary.

5 MARY: My question is this, is that I was glad to 09:25

6 hear that you have this Wednesday during the fair time

7 to allow handicapped and disabled children to enjoy the

8 fair. But with keeping with that, you made a special

9 attempt to allow them into that spectrum. And I'd like

10 to ask for the board for the City of Costa Mesa and the 09:25

11 entire county, at some point in time every other month

12 or a couple of times a year to have a meeting that

13 someone can attend that if they work.

14 I think an evening or a later afternoon meeting

15 where we can have other people attend and show their 09:25

16 view. This is -- you know, the majority of people, I'm

17 retired, I'm old, I've done my thing. I can be here,

18 but they shouldn't have to depend on what I bring back

19 or what they say. I think they have the right to be up

20 here and say their own two cents during that time. So 09:25

21 that's one thing I would like to ask for,

22 reconsideration of a meeting time at least a couple of

23 times a year so we could have a general input by all the

24 residents.

25 The other thing I'd also like to comment is I'm 09:26


1 also interested on -- if the Trump Bill was paid, by

2 whom it was paid.

3 And I'm particularly interested in transparency

4 and not having that transparency questioned or having

5 residents or people requesting it, vilified. You know, 09:26

6 they have the right -- transparency's on the books.

7 We have the right to have the information

8 without having all of these dollar signs put to it. $45

9 an hour, 3,000 here, how many hours it takes. I suppose

10 -- and we have found this out at Costa Mesa because we 09:26

11 needed to and it resulted in a very positive effect that

12 the more transparent you are, probably the less public

13 comments, public requests are going to come in. So if

14 you make those easier rather than more difficult or

15 shame the residents for having it, I think it would be 09:27

16 far more beneficial.

17 My other question is, I received a pamphlet

18 about emergencies. And one of the emergency

19 destinations they used was here at the fairground. And

20 my question is this: I was here during the Trump 09:27

21 rally/riot and I was wondering, what is it that you

22 offer in an emergency situation? Because at that time

23 there didn't seem to be a general PA system to monitor

24 the crowds, and I was concerned about that. The

25 helicopter at that time was giving instructions. No one 09:27


1 could understand or hear.

2 So I'm wondering in the case of actually some

3 kind of catastrophic event, what is it the fairgrounds

4 offer? I mean, shall we just hole up at home or do we

5 come to someplace that's going to actually offer relief 09:27

6 in this type of thing?

7 And do you have a booklet or a pamphlet? Do

8 you have an itemized list of that type of thing?

9 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Okay, Mary, your time is up.

10 MARY: Okay. I'm good. 09:28

11 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I can't -- this is not on the

12 agenda. I will, however, if you stick around for the

13 financial monitoring committee report, I'll be able at

14 that point to talk about the sheriff's Trump payment

15 thing because that's under the financial committee and 09:28

16 after Director Bagneris's report. I'll comment on that

17 because it is on the agenda.

18 MARY: Okay. Thank you.

19 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: And getting back on your

20 questions, we will ask the CEO. If you would leave your 09:28

21 phone number, Mary, we'll have somebody from staff

22 contact you and answer those questions.

23 MARY: Okay, thank you.

24 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: May I see who's next? Mary.

25 Jay Humphrey. 09:28


1 MR. HUMPHREY: Good morning, Board. Jay Humphrey,

2 Costa Mesa resident.

3 And you've all heard me before about our

4 community and how important the good neighbor policy is

5 both ways. And it's both ways. It's not just one 09:29

6 direction. It's everybody working together and I'm

7 continuing to make those kind of things.

8 With that in mind, I was in the planning

9 meeting when, in fact, you had your fireworks test. And

10 when I watched the three officers in that meeting dodge 09:29

11 out of the room very quickly, obviously alerted to

12 something going on, wondering what's happening.

13 Obviously, the path of information did not go

14 downhill very well relative to that, seeing how three

15 officers, on duty at the time, did not know it was going 09:29

16 to happen. That's a concern of mine. It's a concern of

17 mine both to the city level and at this level, so it's

18 both ways in that.

19 But having said that, obviously you're planning

20 to do some kind of a fireworks thing during 4th of July. 09:29

21 You should be aware, if you're not, that the city is

22 looking at plans to try and slow down some of the

23 illegal fireworks, the overhead fireworks especially in

24 the future.

25 And one of the reasons that we seem to be 09:30


1 getting there, is a lot of people seem to like the idea

2 of exploding things above their heads and I -- everybody

3 has their own taste, but people seem to like that.

4 That's what's escalating significantly. One of the

5 reason is because there's no firework show anywhere in 09:30

6 any close proximity, other than going up to Disneyland,

7 and so it's very difficult.

8 And it may be in the fair's best interest to

9 coordinate with the city and see if there's anything

10 that the city and the fair department, fair board can do 09:30

11 to make that an experience. It helps the city curb

12 other use of those kinds of fireworks that will have

13 plans that will be escalating significantly in the

14 future, and that might be one way to help curtail that

15 process. 09:31

16 With that being said, two, I get very concerned

17 about staff reports when there's one line or two lines

18 in a staff report, and that's it. It means that all the

19 data that's coming out to everybody who can actually get

20 that data in hand, is verbal. And when it's verbal, 09:31

21 that's wonderful for when you guys are just trying to

22 kind of think about something, but when it's a detail

23 issue, it would seem to me having that available, hence,

24 why sometimes you get a number of requests for

25 information and that transparency process. 09:31


1 The registrar of voters here in the county,

2 when it was taken over by --

3 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Neil.

4 MR. HUMPHREY: -- yeah, Neil, when it was taken over

5 by Neil, interesting enough, they had numerous requests 09:31

6 for information. I mean, constant. They now have

7 everything online, transparent. He has had no requests

8 for information in the last two years. None. Zero.

9 Zip.

10 So if the concern is cost, make it absolutely 09:32

11 available. Because all the documents except for stuff

12 that goes to your legal guys is public knowledge. So my

13 suggestion is, find a solution. He found a way and

14 eliminated that problem as -- because it's a time issue,

15 but eliminated it completely. 09:32

16 Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

17 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Thank you. And thank you for

18 calling out our registrar of voters who did -- whose

19 done a superior job with that. And it's true, he has

20 got so much information for people to read it anymore. 09:32

21 All right, Jay, thank you.

22 Beth, you're next.

23 MS. REFAKES: I'm Beth Refakes, Costa Mesa resident.

24 First of all, I'd like to wish everyone a Happy

25 New Year and I'm sure you have your work cut out for 09:33


1 2017.

2 I also had concerns about the status of the

3 collection of the Trump charges, so I know other

4 people brought that up so --

5 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: We'll get to it in the budget. 09:33

6 MS. REFAKES: -- I'm glad that you're going to talk

7 about that since it wasn't covered in the CEO's report.

8 Also I wanted to thank Michele and Jason. They

9 attended the Costa Mesa Historical Society's annual

10 installation of officer's dinner and gave a terrific 09:33

11 presentation and video on Heroes Hall and how it went

12 from being almost demolished to what it is today and

13 gave a lot of the history of building and what the plans

14 are for the future, so I want to thank you for that. I

15 know everyone at the Historical Society enjoyed the 09:33

16 video.

17 Some of it I've seen here at the fair board

18 meeting, but it was nice to have it all put together and

19 everything. So thank you again, you guys did a great

20 job. 09:34

21 The last thing is, I also have concerns about

22 the fireworks because we do have so many illegal

23 fireworks. I know I live on the east side. My

24 neighborhood is like a war zone with all the illegal

25 fireworks, and it's very distracting to some of the 09:34


1 elderly people as well as it freaks out all the pets and

2 everything.

3 And so I do have concerns about having

4 additional fireworks and I think the city is also

5 looking at some options to try and curtail the -- 09:34

6 especially the illegal fireworks because it is a

7 problem. So I hope you take that into consideration

8 when you're evaluating the Pacific Symphony partnership.

9 Thank you very much.

10 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: We can talk about some of the 09:34

11 fireworks under that agenda item, the Pacific

12 partnership. There was some questions about that and

13 chat about it. Stick around if you like.

14 Next, Ms. Mundekis.

15 MS. MUNDEKIS: Good morning and thank you for this 09:35

16 opportunity to address the board.

17 During the December 2016 meeting, this board

18 agreed to allow executive management to represent in

19 their reports to this board and the public both facts

20 supported by actual data and estimates to be used for 09:35

21 making decisions, despite the fact that at least some of

22 the estimates in question are systemically flawed and in

23 error.

24 This board did not require executive management

25 to clearly distinguish when facts supported by data or 09:35


1 potentially flawed estimates were being presented.

2 Consequently, this board will be unable to distinguish

3 between the two and will have to consider both the facts

4 and estimates with equal weight.

5 This is a problematic and confusing approach 09:35

6 which can lead to bad decisions based on bad

7 information.

8 This property is owned by the people of

9 California and exists to serve the needs of the public.

10 The public has an enduring interest in assuring that 09:36

11 their assets, money and property are being adequately

12 managed under the stewardship of this board and

13 executive management of the property.

14 The confusion about where the real data or

15 potentially flawed estimates are being presented can be 09:36

16 relieved by executive management clearly stating when

17 real data, supported by facts is being used and stating

18 the sources of data.

19 When potentially flawed estimates are being

20 presented, executive management must clearly state that 09:36

21 the information is only an estimate and include

22 information about how the estimate was created and

23 possible flaws in the estimate.

24 This additional work has been created by the

25 decision of this board to allow both facts and 09:36


1 potentially flawed estimates to be intermingled and

2 presented for decision making.

3 In light of the confusing situation created by

4 this board by allowing both facts and estimates to be

5 given equal weight for decision making, the public will 09:37

6 have to increase oversight of the activities at this

7 property. Delay and denial and ignoring the risks will

8 not work.

9 As an attorney who recently won a

10 10-million-dollar settlement from a public organization 09:37

11 who ignored risks created by one single employee, best

12 put it, it's very important to take all complaints

13 seriously and do your due diligence in investigating.

14 Thank you for your time.

15 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Thank you. 09:37

16 And Roy Englebrecht.

17 MR. ENGLEBRECHT: Thank you, Nick. Roy Englebrecht,

18 fight promoter.

19 Three weeks from tonight we have opening night

20 for our 7th season of Fight Club OC shows. Boy, six 09:38

21 years down, who would have believed we'd get 36 shows

22 in. 2016 was a great year for us. We sold out every

23 one of our six Fight Club OC shows, all 12 of our all

24 inclusive have VIP suites which were brand new to really

25 the sports landscape. Last year we had companies 09:38


1 purchase all 12 suites for all six shows. They all have

2 renewed this year.

3 Fight Club OC shows are -- it's not a cheap

4 show. It's expensive to do what we do here, but the

5 results is that we do sell out the shows. 09:38

6 This doesn't happen without great partnerships

7 and we have a great partner here with the Orange County

8 Fair & Event Center and the great staff. We have a

9 great partnership with COMCAST, Spectical and Juan and

10 Adella (phonetic) and their staff there. 09:38

11 And I've said it before, I'll say it again,

12 without a team effort that we have here at this

13 property, our Fight Club shows -- Fight Club OC shows

14 wouldn't become the success they have become.

15 Thank you. See you in three weeks. 09:39

16 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Thank you, Roy.

17 Okay. That closes public comment.

18 Next item is the minutes. Do we have a motion

19 for approval?

20 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: So moved. 09:39

21 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Moved by Director La Belle.

22 Is there a second?

23 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: Second.

24 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Second by Director Cervantes.

25 Any discussion? 09:39


1 Madam Secretary, please call the role.


3 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Yes.

4 MADAM SECRETARY: Vice Chair Bagneris?

5 VICE CHAIR BAGNERIS: Yes. 09:39

6 MADAM SECRETARY: Director Tkaczyk?

7 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Yes.


9 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Yes.

10 MADAM SECRETARY: Director Cervantes? 09:39

11 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: Yes.


13 DIRECTOR RUIZ: Obtain.

14 MADAM SECRETARY: And Director Pham?

15 DIRECTOR PHAM: Yes. 09:39

16 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Motion passes, the minutes are

17 approved.

18 We'll move on to consent calendar first to the

19 board.

20 Director La Belle, any items of poll? 09:39

21 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: None.

22 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Director Tkaczyk?

23 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: None.

24 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Vice Chair Bagneris?

25 Director Pham? 09:40


1 Director Cervantes?

2 VICE CHAIR BAGNERIS: No.

3 DIRECTOR PHAM: None.

4 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: No.

5 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Director Ruiz? 09:40

6 DIRECTOR RUIZ: None.

7 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: In that case, call for a motion

8 for approval.

9 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: I submit.

10 DIRECTOR RUIZ: Second. 09:40

11 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Moved by Director Cervantes,

12 seconded by Director Ruiz.

13 Any discussion?

14 (No response.)

15 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Madam Secretary, call the role. 09:40




19 VICE CHAIR BAGNERIS: Yes.

20 MADAM SECRETARY: Director Tkaczyk? 09:40





25 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: Yes. 09:40



2 DIRECTOR RUIZ: Yes.


4 DIRECTOR PHAM: Yes.

5 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Thank you. Motion passes. 09:40

6 Next item, 9 A, committee task force liaison

7 reports. We will begin with the Centennial Farm

8 Foundation. I -- again, you know, a major

9 congratulations to Director Mouet who is the acting city

10 manager in the largest cities in the United States, 09:40

11 Santa Ana. Those of you that read the papers, realize

12 that Director Mouet has his hands full, to say the very,

13 very, very, very least.

14 So he will remain on the board; however, he

15 does have to unfortunately and regretfully resign his 09:41

16 position as Centennial Farm Foundation board member. We

17 will need a board member to replace him.

18 So is there anybody who would like to volunteer

19 to serve on the Centennial Farm's board?

20 Okay. 09:41

21 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: I will.

22 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Thank you so much. A big hand

23 to Director Cervantes. That ends the report. We'll

24 move on to thank you very much. You'll do a great job.

25 Heroes Hall foundation board, 09:42


1 Director La Belle, do you have anything really good to

2 report today?

3 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Other than we met yesterday, the

4 foundation, and we're continuing our efforts to identify

5 fundraising opportunities for the dollars we can bring 09:42

6 up to help support the programming and operation of

7 Heroes Hall.

8 So thanks to the chair of the foundation,

9 Chair Berardino, we have -- we stay on track and we seem

10 to be making some very good progress. 09:42

11 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Thank you very much,

12 Director La Belle.

13 We are having our opening. I know everybody in

14 the audience will be there. If not, your ticket to

15 attend board meetings is canceled, but we very much 09:42

16 would like to invite all of you. We thank all of you

17 for your support, the entire community.

18 The City of Costa Mesa's here. I just can't

19 thank you enough. If you could please send our note of

20 appreciation to your council and your -- no longer CEO 09:43

21 -- city manager --

22 MS. SHELTON: Practicing city manager.

23 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Is that right?

24 MS. SHELTON: Yes.

25 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: -- for all your help. 09:43


1 The city has put in $50,000 into this project

2 and so that doesn't go unnoticed and it shows great

3 leadership, because myself personally who is the chair

4 of the Heroes Hall Foundation, have over the years in my

5 other roles had a few run-ins with this city council 09:43

6 over there.

7 And beyond any of that, they stood up and did

8 the right thing. It's very, very much appreciated.

9 Please come.

10 And to the staff, the staff is just doing an 09:43

11 incredible job. I mean, couldn't have better people

12 working on this project and making it -- we're going to

13 I'm sure learn as we go through our first exhibit, what

14 fits, what doesn't fit.

15 I mean, you know, it's always that push and 09:44

16 shove between the artist and the other people. Ah, the

17 window's too big I heard yesterday. Well, you know, I

18 know. I brought a comforter that was on my bed so we

19 can block off some of this. You can imagine how my

20 house is decorated. 09:44

21 But thank you all very much. Great job. It's

22 going very well.

23 Under the financial monitoring committee, I

24 want to first get the report from Vice Chair Bagneris

25 and Director Pham, and then I will talk about the 09:44


1 sheriff's financial settlement.

2 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: As you heard earlier in the

3 CEO's report, there is a financial packet this month as

4 we're wrapping up year-end. You can expect to see that

5 next month. 09:44

6 The financial monitoring committee will be

7 working with staff to review our monthly packet and make

8 some recommendations for improvement of our reporting

9 process, so you should see that coming forth. And I

10 think that's all I have. 09:44

11 Director Pham?

12 DIRECTOR PHAM: Likewise, looking forward to maybe

13 improving the presentation of the financial moving

14 forward.

15 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Wonderful. Thank you, 09:45

16 Director Pham and Vice Chair Bagneris.

17 Let me address the financial since this is a

18 financial item and that's been a financial item that has

19 been -- obviously people have been discussing.

20 So first of all, let's just talk in the general 09:45

21 financial area. You know, I don't think there's anybody

22 at least on this board or probably on staff that doesn't

23 realize that hosting the Donald Trump event brought more

24 challenges than anybody expected, you know, and that's

25 just the way some of these things go. 09:45


1 It's fair to say, because I think the history

2 and the facts speak to it, that nothing with this

3 particular campaign was predictable. I mean, nothing

4 was predictable. I mean, we were -- we don't know. But

5 we learned an awful lot. We learned an awful lot. 09:46

6 And it wasn't as if folks learning about this

7 and its financial implications that we sat down and

8 said, okay, well, no mistakes were made, that's not the

9 case.

10 I mean, the case is we looked at this, we have 09:46

11 set forth a brand new policy on how to handle this

12 stuff. A policy that we did in conjunction with the

13 City of Costa Mesa, a policy that was done in

14 conjunction with the police chief and the city manager.

15 You know, we went there, met with the police 09:46

16 chief, met with the city manager, talked about it, had a

17 great -- a very good discussion and got very wonderful

18 suggestions from the city on how we can coordinate and

19 do better. And I think we're ready should we ever be

20 faced with this again. You know, the same mistakes 09:47

21 won't be made. So mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.

22 So on that, on the financial piece, we worked

23 with the sheriff's department. We had great discussions

24 with the sheriff's department. And the discussions

25 about the financial part were all really part of this 09:47


1 whole learning process about what we each did right and

2 did well and what we each could improve on.

3 And so as a result, the sheriff's department --

4 you know, the question is, was there emergency services

5 provided? What did the sheriff's department do with 09:47

6 emergency services? All those kinds of things were

7 discussed.

8 And what we did was, we were able to work out

9 an agreement that in this particular situation, what we

10 paid was enough to cover it. There was more money that 09:48

11 was accrued, but remember, that was accrued under an

12 emergency-type situation.

13 So we were able to put this one under our belts

14 and -- and move forward and have new policy in place.

15 We have new communications -- new communication issues 09:48

16 that are now put in place. So we anticipate these

17 emergency situations and the costs in the future, we

18 will be able to do it proactively and be able to do it

19 more in a proactive as opposed to a reactive approach.

20 So all the parties learned a lot, all of the 09:48

21 parties have, I think, joined in what is the appropriate

22 way to do this, which is fix it so we're all on the same

23 page. We have a communication approved, who's talking

24 to who, and who's -- you know, who's talking to who and

25 who is, you know, working it out. So we're done with 09:49


1 that and --

2 MS. MUNDEKIS: Excuse me. Excuse me. Will you tell

3 us how much of that bill was paid and on what date it

4 was paid and who paid it? What the source of funds was?

5 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: We can tell you. I can't tell 09:49

6 you now, but I'm glad -- you know, I'm glad to get back

7 to you.

8 MS. MUNDEKIS: Okay. When will you get back to me?

9 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Well --

10 MS. MUNDEKIS: You have the finance person here. 09:49

11 The date it was paid, the amount of funds was paid and

12 the source of funds, please.

13 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Okay. For purp- -- number one,

14 here's how this works. Okay? While I'm the chair -- I

15 mean, I'm going to tell you this so you understand this 09:49

16 and understand it clearly.

17 I give everybody plenty of time to ask your

18 questions. I try to respond to those questions. I

19 tried to just moments ago figure out a way that we can

20 communicate so your questions that you bring up in 09:50

21 public comments get answered.

22 What you will not do again, as long as I'm

23 chair, is come to that microphone unrecognized. That is

24 not your right. That's not appropriate. It's not

25 courteous. It's not professional and it's not the way 09:50


1 you'll get questions answered.

2 I try to -- I try to -- I tried to the best I

3 could address your question. I tried to fit it into a

4 portion of the agenda so I could answer it. I answered

5 the question. Apparently it wasn't enough of an answer, 09:50

6 and rather than following through in a method that is

7 both courteous and respectful of the process, you found

8 it to be what you think is your privilege to charge up

9 to the microphone and begin to ask questions.

10 The next time you do that, you're going to be 09:51

11 asked to leave the meeting. That doesn't happen here.

12 And so Mr. Boofa, you understand that people

13 are welcome here, welcome to make your comments. You

14 can comment on every item that you like. You can

15 comment repeatedly on things, that's fine. But order's 09:51

16 important, respect is important, and people -- and

17 people here are trying to work with the public.

18 I don't know what more that, you know, we can

19 do and I don't know how much clearer I could have been.

20 We've met with the parties involved and we have reached 09:51

21 amicable solution and the amount we paid, I'll get to

22 you. I don't remember. But we solved it for the

23 parties.

24 So please respect the process, be courteous to

25 people and respect individuals. 09:52


1 Okay.

2 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Mr. Chair, in regards to this

3 topic, may I ask a question?

4 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Sure.

5 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Kathy, if you could refresh my 09:52

6 memory, what I'm looking at is the sequence of bills on

7 the Trump organization and I'll tell you what my

8 recollection was and then you please or staff can verify

9 that this is the correct sequence that took place.

10 That -- and I'm going to generalize this, I'm 09:52

11 not going to get into strong specifics, but we had a

12 contract with the Trump people. We billed the Trump

13 organization for that contract. We were paid in full

14 for that contract.

15 Correct? 09:53

16 MS. KRAMER: Correct.

17 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: So we were paid in full for that

18 contract that we had with the organization and the Trump

19 organization paid it.

20 MS. KRAMER: Right. 09:53

21 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: How long after they paid the

22 contract that we had, did we receive another bill that

23 we didn't know about, weren't told about, came and was

24 presented to the fair board?

25 MS. KRAMER: I don't have the exact date, but I 09:53


1 believe it was sometime in June. So potentially up to

2 60 days after the event. I can get that exact date.

3 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: So this wasn't anything that the

4 Trump organization or anyone here knew about?

5 MS. KRAMER: Correct. 09:53

6 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Thank you.

7 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Yeah.

8 And so I mean, I guess when we talked about the

9 financial parts of this and that's been the issue, I'm

10 mystified. I mean, I have to tell you, I am mystified. 09:54

11 I would assert that I've probably been in my 42-year

12 experience in more public meetings than anybody in this

13 room and probably say combine them all and I probably

14 have been working with more public bodies and more

15 public jurisdictions, and it seems as if -- and we talk 09:54

16 about this issue, this financial issue -- saying

17 mistakes were made. Mistakes won't be made again.

18 The parties got together and openly,

19 transparently worked them out, worked them out with the

20 city, the city's CEO, the city manager, the city's 09:54

21 police chief. We worked with the highest levels --

22 virtually the highest level except for the sheriff

23 herself on this issue.

24 We then brought in a bunch of security people

25 who were all part of it, beginning at the rank of 09:55


1 sergeant, all the way up to the highest levels of the

2 sheriff's department. Had a great discussion, had

3 subsequent discussions with the sheriff's department.

4 And the parties said, look, given all the circumstances,

5 you know, we paid our bill. We paid the sheriff's 09:55

6 department the normal amount. The additional amount we

7 chalked up to kind of because there was

8 miscommunications, and that amount was forgiven as we

9 moved forward, but not forgiven in the future because of

10 the new communications that we put in place. 09:55

11 So the payments will now be understood, we all

12 understand if there are additional emergency payments

13 how we're going to handle that. All that's done, and

14 then I sit in a public meeting, well, that's not enough.

15 I've got to tell you, after 41 years of doing 09:56

16 it, I've been in much -- personally, much bigger fights

17 than this with all this. I'm mystified. I'm mystified.

18 I don't know what else could have been done except

19 shouldn't have made the mistakes in the first place.

20 Okay. I get that. 09:56

21 And you know, cast the first stone. Anybody in

22 the public, cast the first stone. We've never made a

23 mistake. We had something new, and we tried it and,

24 okay, there were some mistakes. God bless you. The

25 issue is now resolved. 09:56


1 And so we've answered the questions. I don't

2 know what else -- I mean, I don't know. I could -- I

3 don't know what else I can do. You know, I can get a

4 can of spray paint, paint it on my chest, you know. We

5 did it. Maybe that will get it through, but I, as you 09:57

6 can tell, am frustrated, frustrated to say the very

7 least because I think it is such a reach -- such a reach

8 after we've discussed this repeatedly. And then people

9 are going to, oh, so you worked it out? Huh? So you

10 worked it out with all the parties? 09:57

11 All the parties got together? You mean the

12 city got together? The city law enforcement got

13 together? The county's law enforcement got together?

14 Your security people got together? Your leadership got

15 together? You had multiple meetings. You worked it 09:57

16 out. You had a resolution. You put in a new policy

17 that was advised by all these people. a new policy will

18 avoid any problems with the payment and how this is paid

19 in the future. And, well, that's not enough.

20 Okay. Well, whatever else we can give you, 09:57

21 please contact the CEO directly or contact me directly

22 and we'll dig some more up.

23 Okay. Thank you very much.

24 Next item, Worker's Memorial task force. No

25 report. 09:58


1 OC Fair city liaison committee. Director La

2 Belle and Director Cervantes.

3 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Actually, we have not gotten

4 started yet in terms of this year's activity, but I

5 think very shortly we will be talking about the outreach 09:58

6 to the various agencies, the cities and county for 2017.

7 So Michele, I don't know if you have any

8 thoughts.

9 MS. RICHARDS: Nope. That's good.

10 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Back to the Worker's Memorial 09:58

11 task force. Do you have something to add here?

12 MR. KARNS: We did have a meeting.

13 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: You did?

14 MR. KARNS: With Ashleigh's absence at that meeting.

15 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Right. And I was just thinking 09:58

16 that there hasn't been any change since we reported out

17 last time. As we said, we are moving forward pursuant

18 to what we said at these board meetings, which is we're

19 going to fix rammed earth. We're going to re-ram it, I

20 guess. I don't know. 09:59

21 Okay. Thank you.

22 Legislative monitoring committee task force.

23 As you know, I will take this since Director Aitken --

24 we have -- we have the bill that's going forward on --

25 including -- trying to include fairgrounds with the 09:59


1 major sports venues for a 50/50 -- the ability to have a

2 50/50 fundraising raffle.

3 As you know, the State of California approved

4 that for professional sports arenas and that kind of

5 thing. We felt we ought to be included and all our 09:59

6 money would go to our two charities, so to speak, two

7 foundations.

8 So that bill does not have a number for quotes

9 to follow yet. It will be placeholdered until -- and

10 that's just basically as those of you know working in 10:00

11 work with the legislature, trying to get the language

12 together, trying to get the sunset together, the other

13 kind of stuff in that they're working on, so it takes a

14 while to put in a placeholder, and then by the middle of

15 February, you know, the final bill will be in. So 10:00

16 that's where that stands.

17 Master site plan task force committee report.

18 Director La Belle or Director Ruiz?

19 DIRECTOR RUIZ: Yeah. We met on the 6th of this

20 week and we had a brief meeting, a brief productive, we 10:00

21 tried to identify all the possible stakeholders, and I

22 think we did just that. I hope we didn't miss anybody,

23 but I thought it was a very productive meeting.

24 It's going to lead up to the meeting we're

25 going to have today after our session here, so it went 10:01


1 well.

2 Other than that, I don't have anything unless

3 you have anything, Doug.

4 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: For those of you that are

5 interested in the master site plan task force meeting, 10:01

6 as soon as this meeting is convened, we're going to

7 break for about 45 minutes so the room can be set up.

8 Members of the public, please plan to attend,

9 if you can. We don't think the meeting will last more

10 than a couple of hours. And to ensure that we have good 10:01

11 public input, I've asked that on the agenda that there

12 will be public comments before the master site task

13 force and public comments after, which is kind of

14 unusual, but it's allowable.

15 I think with this kind of thing we're talking 10:01

16 about it for the next five years, the public ought to be

17 able to weigh in before the conversation takes place,

18 and then after they hear the conversation, weigh in

19 again. So you'll have the opportunity to address it

20 twice. 10:02

21 MR. KARNS: If I may, Mr. Chair?


23 MR. KARNS: Just for clarification on

24 Director Ruiz's comments, the committee is recommending

25 that -- we're undertaking very, very robust stakeholder 10:02


1 meetings over this process and to remind everyone that

2 the Board of Directors stakeholder meeting is the first

3 one. There will be a recommendation of full staff

4 stakeholder meeting, all our grounds partners, then our

5 community partners and then our community neighbors, so 10:02

6 there will be a full series of a stakeholder meeting.

7 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: And all the dates will be

8 posted on the web site; correct?

9 MR. KARNS: Everything will be laid out well in

10 advance, as we move through this. 10:02

11 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: So folks, look through the web

12 site. Those are all public meetings. And for all those

13 meetings I am going to direct the committee members and

14 I will direct staff that public comments for all those

15 meetings will go before and public comments after, so 10:02

16 the public will have two times to engage in those

17 discussions.

18 Okay?

19 MR. KARNS: Yes.

20 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: All right. Very good. 10:03

21 Next one, consumer initiatives task force.

22 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Nothing new to report.


24 Agricultural committee. Director Cervantes and

25 Director Mouet? 10:03


1 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: Nothing to report at this time.


3 Pacific Symphony partnership, and I think we

4 should talk about --

5 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Excuse me? 10:03

6 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Yes sir?

7 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Tenant liaison, you did mention

8 but I just wanted to mention there was nothing new

9 report.

10 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I did mention it. 10:03

11 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Oh, you did?

12 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: And you said there was nothing

13 new to report.

14 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: I thought it was consumer.

15 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Did I -- I made a mistake. 10:03

16 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: No, you didn't make a mistake.

17 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: First time.

18 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: It wasn't a mistake.

19 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: It will be the last, I promise.

20 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: I corrected it. There was no 10:03

21 mistake.

22 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Thank you. It wasn't a

23 mistake. Okay. Now we can move on.

24 Pacific Symphony partnership.

25 MS. KRAMER: Let's go to Vice President Michele 10:04


1 Richards.

2 MS. RICHARDS: Thank you very much.

3 After many months of discussion, we're very

4 happy to announce that the Pacific Symphony and the

5 Orange County Fair & Event Center have reached an 10:04

6 initial agreement to move the Pacific Symphony summer

7 concert series to the Pacific Amphitheater. As we are

8 in continuing talks with the symphony to iron out all of

9 the details so that we can finalize an MOU, which will

10 be brought back to the board on the consent calendar in 10:04

11 February.

12 I did want to say that we're all very excited

13 about this agreement. It represents really the

14 combining of two great community assets, the OC Fair and

15 the Pacific Symphony, and we think that the community 10:04

16 will be equally as excited.

17 I wanted to share just some very brief

18 highlights about that agreement and we'll go into more

19 detail as those -- those details become more clear. But

20 we are beginning with a one-year rental agreement with 10:05

21 four additional option years. The agreement will

22 include an annual co-produced concert, when possible,

23 similar to the concerts that we've done the last couple

24 of years where, for example, "America" was accompanied

25 by the Pacific Symphony. 10:05


1 The agreement will also include joint marketing

2 and promotion of the symphony and the OC Fair summer

3 concert series at the Pacific Amphitheater.

4 I am very happy to introduce the president of

5 the Pacific Symphony, John Forsyth, who would like to 10:05

6 say a few words to the board.

7 MR. FORSYTH: It's very humbling to hear the

8 complexity, learn the complexity of your great

9 organization and to understand the public/private

10 relationship that have been articulated by the public 10:06

11 and, you know, you are really have an unbelievable team.

12 We've been really blessed over the last -- it's

13 really been now almost a decade of relationship. The

14 orchestra was engaged fairly early in the life of the

15 Pacific Amphitheater to do a celebration of music 10:06

16 concert for our 25th Anniversary. It was a day long

17 festival. Subsequent hiring during the fair season,

18 there was a Disney program and you've heard some of the

19 rock collaborations.

20 Then the Pacific Symphony mounted a festival 10:06

21 called "Wavelength" which was four concerts,

22 experimental partnership in electronic dance music, rock

23 and classical.

24 Michele and I have had many conversations to

25 try and work through the unique partnership that this 10:07


1 represents. We are both not for profits. Pacific

2 Symphony, as you may know, is the newest major American

3 orchestra. I was in New York yesterday for an

4 announcement. The Pacific Symphony was just invited for

5 the first time to go to Carnegie Hall, which is a great 10:07

6 honor for us, but also really --

7 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Bravo.

8 MR. FORSYTH: So that came out yesterday in the

9 paper.

10 And we have begun to contact our patrons about 10:07

11 this partnership and already there's great excitement.

12 They know the facility. They know how beautifully

13 maintained it is and the great care that has been taken

14 over the years to bring the audiences to the

15 Pacific Amphitheater in a thoughtful way. 10:07

16 And, you know, in relationship to our

17 programming, of course, we've been at Irvine Meadows

18 since 1988. In 1988, we launched a five concert series

19 and we've been doing it ever since. It would have been

20 our 30th anniversary there. Of course, the Irvine 10:08

21 Company has developed now that area and it has been

22 dismantled.

23 Pacific Symphony today has a vision to lead a

24 renaissance and appreciation and impact of classical

25 music. And one way we do that is we invite the 10:08


1 community, especially those through our nonprofit

2 partnerships. Like the fair, we have many dozens of

3 nonprofit partners that range from the Orange County

4 Rescue Mission to Boys and Girls Clubs around the county

5 and we provide access to our summer series. 10:08

6 Transportation, tickets and so forth. We raise money to

7 do that and that's one way to really augment and enrich

8 the participation at our concerts.

9 We hope that we'll continue to grow the

10 relationship with the fair over many years. You may 10:09

11 know the Pacific Symphony is a fully professional

12 orchestra. We have labor agreements. There are things

13 we have to take care of with our musicians like sound.

14 Sound levels are very important. Temperature, we have

15 to maintain certain temperature ranges. These are all 10:09

16 things we're up to the vagaries of the summer season.

17 We actually bring air-conditioning to the stage to keep

18 the rehearsals cool.

19 Thanks to Michele and her team, we'll may be

20 able to rehearse at night for the first time. We've 10:09

21 always had daytime, very hot, sun shielded rehearsals.

22 So there are things that are already taking place here

23 that might improve our operational situation.

24 The musicians themselves find the summer series

25 very important on a lot of levels. They see the vast 10:09


1 diversity of Orange County at our concerts. When we do

2 our 4th of July concert, it truly represents the broad

3 swath of our community from children, parents and

4 grandparents, multi-generational audiences coming to

5 enjoy a patriotic celebration. 10:10

6 One of the most moving things that happens at

7 the 4th of July is we ask all our veterans to stand

8 during a salute to all the different marches from the

9 different divisions of our armed forces. We see the

10 aging of the World War II veterans. That's hard for us 10:10

11 to observe. The Korean war and all the way through.

12 It's very touching to see them join us for the 4th of

13 July concert.

14 The fireworks display, of course, is an

15 American tradition. We're very conscientious about it. 10:10

16 We worked very closely with the City of Irvine during

17 our many years there to manage fallout. And frankly, we

18 manage sound, too, because we want to be audible during

19 the firework show and that's something the musicians are

20 concerned about. So at various points in the fireworks, 10:10

21 we attenuate the sound so you can actually hear the

22 Souza marches that we're playing live with the works.

23 And it's about three Souza marches. It's maybe nine

24 minutes of fireworks. It's nothing on the scale of what

25 Disneyland would do. We also do have a firework show at 10:11


1 the tail end of the Tchaikovsky 1812 overture which is

2 tradition with that piece.

3 So twice during the summer, once at the 4th of

4 July and I think the date this year is September 9. And

5 if it's helpful we can certainly help notify the 10:11

6 community that, you know, at approximately 10:05 you'll

7 hear fireworks for about five minutes. So those are

8 things that we could do to maybe not make it dramatic to

9 those neighbors.

10 I wanted to mention it's our goal to include 10:11

11 the Costa Mesa community in these concerts, so we will

12 be offering residents of Costa Mesa additional discounts

13 to our tickets. That's very important to us. And we

14 hope that very a diverse community and maybe some new

15 nonprofit partners that we haven't worked with in 10:11

16 Costa Mesa will be part of our series.

17 So I'm certainly happy to answer questions.

18 I just would close by saying that the finances

19 of symphony orchestras, as I'm sure you read, requires

20 enormous philanthropy. So with this series, we 10:12

21 anticipate just by the three concerts that are fully

22 self produced, will generate losses around $300,000.

23 Every concert is in the 80- to $100,000 loss range and

24 you may wonder why that is. It's -- when you put 65, 75

25 musicians on a stage and you rehearse them and you pay 10:12


1 stage labor, rental expenses and so forth, ticket sales

2 just cover about 30 percent of the cost. It's just the

3 nature of our model.

4 So in addition to providing free tickets which

5 require philanthropy, we have to underwrite the artistic 10:12

6 excellence of the orchestra. So we're not here to make

7 money. We're here to do a public service. It's not a

8 real commercial enterprise.

9 The programming for the year will include a

10 tribute to Bruce Springstein's music on the 4th of July. 10:13

11 We'll have -- we'll do Jurassic Park, the film, live

12 with orchestra. We'll have an all Tchaikovsky program.

13 And we'll have a co-production with the fair just on the

14 eve of the fair with the headline artist that we're

15 confirming now. So four programs. 10:13

16 And we look forward to the partnership and

17 happy to answer any questions.

18 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Okay. First, I want to welcome

19 you to -- it's wonderful. I think this is absolutely

20 fantastic and I think on several levels. One, and I'm 10:13

21 happy to hear you'll be, you know, including the

22 residents in attending this, but this is such an

23 educational opportunity that keeps in line with

24 education.

25 Unfortunately in our schools, music programs, 10:14


1 appreciation of music, history of music slashed. I

2 mean, just slashed. And I won't any make political

3 comments here, but given the things we're hearing from

4 the Department of Education in Washington, D.C., I think

5 we can look forward to more slashes to music and arts 10:14

6 and other kinds of programs.

7 So this is a great opportunity for people in

8 the community to bring their children so they can come

9 and appreciate this kind of music. So it's great.

10 Thank you very, very much. 10:14

11 Fireworks, obviously, do the best you can. I

12 think I would say in resonance, in that nine-minute

13 period of time that you hear those fireworks, stand up,

14 stand up. Because that's the point in time -- and you

15 know, it's 4th of July, for crying out loud. But that's 10:15

16 a period of time where we honor our nation. We honor

17 independence. We honor everything and it's a great

18 American tradition.

19 So I mean, we don't want it blasting up and

20 disturbing or stuff, you know, control it, you know, so 10:15

21 there's not fireworks cinder all over the place, but I

22 doubt that that's the kind of the fireworks you do.

23 But I really think rather than opposing it, we

24 as a community and we as a nation ought to be the kind

25 of people when those fireworks are going off to remind 10:15


1 us. Those are fake. Those are celebratory, but those

2 sounds landed on a lot of people to make this country

3 free, and it didn't last just nine minutes. So it's --

4 so it's a great opportunity.

5 Thank you very much. I look forward to it. 10:15

6 I will now ask board members who I'm sure are

7 interested in extending their welcome to you to speak

8 and we'll start with Director La Belle.

9 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Yes, definitely and welcome.

10 We're looking forward to this. It's going to be a great 10:16

11 partnership between the district and the symphony.

12 I guess my only question at this point in time

13 is: Other than the 4th of July, have specific dates

14 been set for your other concerts? If so, can you share

15 them with us? 10:16

16 MR. FORSYTH: Sure, of course. So July 12th I think

17 is the -- or is it the 13th, excuse me, is the date of

18 the co-production, so that's a date where the fair and

19 the Pacific Symphony audiences will commingle, which I

20 actually think is a really wonderful opportunity. 10:16

21 I should mention as an aside, I think it's

22 really been a wonderful discovery for our board of

23 directors to come and tour, attend fair events over the

24 last few years as we were building the relationship.

25 And I think, you know, many of them are older, have not 10:16


1 come down from Laguna Hills or wherever they live --

2 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Watch it.

3 MR. FORSYTH: -- to experience that.

4 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: A lot of old people live up

5 there. 10:17

6 MR. FORSYTH: Yeah. You know, we have, as I say, a

7 very diverse audience.

8 So anyway, July 13th will be an opportunity to

9 commingle those audiences.

10 August 9, so we wait till the -- 10:17

11 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: 19th.

12 MR. FORSYTH: 19th. Sorry. Is that right? I don't

13 have it off the top of my head.

14 August 19th, after the fair closes and then

15 September 9th. Right? Thank you. It's great to have 10:17

16 an operational person.

17 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Director Tkaczyk?

18 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Thank you so much for being here.

19 I have a great appreciation for music. My

20 family, my dad had his own band and I won't get into 10:17

21 that at length, but my sister became a musician and she

22 played the trumpet. She taught music at one of the

23 schools here in Orange County. And I had the

24 opportunity to play the violin, the accordion and the

25 drums, and I didn't stick with anything. And my sister 10:18


1 did become the accomplished musician in the family with

2 the trumpet and she taught over 2- or 300 students for

3 years. So it's great to have you here. I love sitting

4 in the -- listening to the orchestra and it's just so

5 thrilling to have you with the Orange County Fair. 10:18

6 MR. FORSYTH: Thank you.

7 I should mention we do have a commitment to

8 amateur music making in the community. In fact,

9 musicians who have not played in a long time, we can

10 invite you to sit on stage with the orchestra. It's 10:18

11 called the Rusty Musicians. But we do invite an

12 Orange County wind and -- a symphonic wind ensemble to

13 perform before the concerts on -- hopefully it will be

14 on the concourse each night.

15 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: I think I'm below amateur. 10:18

16 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I look forward to the violin.

17 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: I was good, you know.

18 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I was good. We'll find out.

19 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: I would like to welcome

20 you. And I think I'm below amateur. I do have a 10:18

21 violin. I think I was first chair in an orchestra for

22 maybe two sessions before I got bumped out, but that was

23 a thrill of my life.

24 But the arts are so important and I'm so glad

25 the Orange County Fair & Event Center is able to partner 10:19


1 with you on this activity, just like our -- we have an

2 activity for our youth and everybody talks about stim,

3 but team is important. That A is important. And are

4 youth need it and I'm just glad we're going to be

5 projecting that and will have these concert series here 10:19

6 at fairground. Thank you and welcome.


8 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Thank you. Director Pham?

9 DIRECTOR PHAM: Welcome. You know, as I get older,

10 my appreciation for classical music increases 10:19

11 exponentially. I'm looking forward to this partnership

12 and I echo what Chair Berardino said and, in fact, the

13 budget cuts on arts and music are impacting our youth

14 significantly. I look forward to having a venue to

15 bring children there and expose them to classical music. 10:20

16 Welcome.

17 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: Yes. Welcome and

18 congratulations. I am much older than Director Pham and

19 enjoy the music and enjoy that my grandchildren enjoy it

20 as well. So welcome again. 10:20

21 DIRECTOR RUIZ: Welcome, and thank you. I

22 attended -- I didn't go to the concert last year, but I

23 was at it before. My wife and kids, we loved it.

24 Looking forward to the upcoming dates you have set up

25 and, again, welcome. 10:20



2 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Thank you very much. We

3 appreciate very much you coming.

4 And so, again, as much as we can to get as much

5 word to the public as we can, please take advantage of 10:20

6 this. Bring your children to these concerts. This is

7 an educational experience they're not going to get in

8 school anymore unless they go to some private school

9 that, you know, is able to do it. This is an

10 opportunity to reach out in terms of our educational 10:21

11 ventures, so thank you. Okay.

12 So if there's not any more questions from the

13 board, I'll ask -- thank you very much and I want to ask

14 Theresa Sears to come up.

15 MS. SEARS: Good morning, Board. It's good to see 10:21

16 everyone. Happy New Year. We're in the new kind of

17 order these days, but it's great that we have a nice

18 cooperative fair board and audience.

19 I have been a season holder for the summer

20 series for many years, so I am fully endorsed. I can 10:21

21 attest to the fabulous concerts that the symphony puts

22 on at Irvine Meadows. And I think this is exactly why

23 we saved the fairgrounds. We have this merging of

24 Orange County traditions that can come together. There

25 is a place for them to go. It's like there was no other 10:22


1 place. Where do they go?

2 I don't think going to the great park is the

3 answer. I think coming to Costa Mesa is perfect.

4 I think the public benefit -- and it really is

5 a public benefit because, you know, they don't -- they 10:22

6 need sponsors and they get them. But the opportunity,

7 Nick -- Nick, listen up -- the opportunity for the joint

8 event for the July 4th concert, that is the most amazing

9 concert where you see all of the veterans coming in. I

10 mean, it brings tears to your eyes. 10:22

11 I would suggest that we hold some kind of a

12 joint event so they can all see Heroes Hall, something

13 early, cocktails, something neat, because when you see

14 these veterans walk in and then the show goes on, the

15 lights are up, and then they do all the marches, that's 10:23

16 why I go. It's like whoa. It's amazing. And they're

17 all coming there. So if they see that we are honoring

18 them here, right on this location, ground zero, I mean,

19 you've hit a home run. So Nick, pay attention.

20 But anyway, I'm endorsing it. I think it's 10:23

21 great. The fireworks, yes, they're a little bit rough.

22 Maybe --you know, it is nine minutes. The horses, there

23 could be a vet over there that helps with the horses, if

24 that's a concern. And I think Lisa Sable would be the

25 one that you would look to, to make sure that that can 10:23


1 go off okay.

2 But it's -- they're very orderly and they're --

3 it's nice. It fits with the music and it is an American

4 tradition, so I believe the community in Costa Mesa, I

5 think they're going to love this because they're just 10:23

6 going to be able to just walk over and have a fabulous

7 time. So my seat's are L. Row L.

8 So the guy called me yesterday. I got the call

9 from the Pacific Symphony and I just happened to pick up

10 my home phone and I said what -- am I going to get my 10:24

11 row L?

12 Anyway --

13 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: We hope so.

14 MS. SEARS: Any questions or comments?

15 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: No. I first want to say I do 10:24

16 have -- I'm not asking a question.

17 The idea of the concert, just watch. The

18 concert series that we're discussing which includes the

19 4th of July day, I think is fabulous. And I just have

20 to say that coordinating with Heroes Hall, I will ask 10:24

21 the CEO to make sure that staff, fairground staff and

22 the Heroes Hall staff plan an event in coordination with

23 this event. It's -- this could be such a wonderful,

24 wonderful thing.

25 Is that okay? 10:25


1 The one thing people don't realize and they're

2 going to say, oh, you know, fair board, you're doing

3 this. Our counsel is a cop. Just in case anybody is

4 wondering about, man, I wonder if they're skirting any

5 laws or doing anything, we are one of few 10:25

6 jurisdictions -- now, and this fair board, by the way,

7 embraced the idea of hiring and bringing back the

8 attorney general, essentially the highest law

9 enforcement department in the State of California above

10 every district attorney, everybody. We embrace that. 10:25

11 Other fair boards hired -- fired the AG and hired their

12 own attorneys.

13 So be mindful. He's watching. I'm just saying

14 this, we have a cop watching us.

15 MS. SEARS: So one other thing for sure I can 10:25

16 guarantee you, for sure, the seats are much better here

17 than they are over there. And the walk will not be so

18 long.

19 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Marvelous.

20 MS. SEARS: Thank you. 10:26

21 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Next on 9 B. Ms. Mundekis.

22 MS. MUNDEKIS: I just want to take a quick

23 opportunity to apologize to Chair Berardino for my

24 behavior before, but unfortunately I have been seeking

25 information about the Trump rally for the past several 10:26


1 months and have been stonewalled.

2 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Call me directly through

3 Kathy Yatch.

4 THE WITNESS: I would like to have it in writing,

5 please. 10:26

6 Just a few comments on the proposed deal to

7 bring the Pacific Symphony to the Pacific Amphitheater.

8 As been discussed, the fireworks tasked on November 21st

9 was extremely disruptive and I think it's very

10 disrespectful to the community to tell them to basically 10:26

11 suck it up and deal with it.

12 There are ways to have fireworks shows which

13 are respectful and tolerable for the neighbors. You do

14 it every night during winter fest. You do it every

15 night during the fair. I think you need to show more 10:26

16 respect to the neighbors, please.

17 There's also an issue here where there is a

18 court ordered noise agreement. There's two court orders

19 on that. We need to make sure the Pacific Symphony is

20 following those. The fireworks task possibly violates 10:27

21 those court orders in addition to Costa Mesa municipal

22 code.

23 And then the deal with the Pacific Symphony

24 which at this point seems to be a done deal, that's what

25 it appears to be to the public, must include full 10:27


1 disclosure of any negotiations and meetings between the

2 board and the Pacific Symphony.

3 On August 10th, 2016, this board had a meeting

4 with the management and board at the Pacific Symphony.

5 The meeting is in violation of the Bagley Keene Act, the 10:27

6 California law which governs this board. This board

7 should release all documents and communications

8 regarding both the August 10th meeting and any other

9 documents and communications regarding this matter prior

10 to scheduling a vote. 10:27

11 These actions are in the interest of the board

12 and the Pacific Symphony because if complete and

13 thorough, they would help to inoculate any board action

14 from later challenges to any agreement throughout of a

15 possibly illegal meeting. 10:28

16 Thank you.

17 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Counsel, if you would look into

18 that allegation and get back to the CEO.

19 Next, Centennial, I think that concludes it.

20 This was an information item. 10:28

21 MS. KRAMER: Correct.

22 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: And we will move on.

23 Next, Centennial Farm Foundation memorandum of

24 understanding CEO cover letter.

25 I want to kick this off, if I could. 10:28


1 One of the things that we've been discussing

2 and talked to the attorney general, make sure that we're

3 on track and discussing this appropriately, is how do we

4 effectively -- and this is what I think it is --

5 effectively save taxpayer dollars in a way and be sure 10:29

6 that the people that own this property are, you know,

7 getting the biggest bang for the buck, particularly

8 those people who want to support educational

9 initiatives.

10 The educational initiatives that I'm speaking 10:29

11 of now are; one, the Centennial Farms that we're talking

12 about today, Heroes Hall mirrors that. We have an

13 educational initiative we're working on with the

14 workers.

15 How do we do that? So an interesting thing 10:29

16 came up which was, for instance, there is a -- there is

17 a thought somebody had, and I don't know how much we

18 could do with it, at Heroes Hall, that you would put

19 like a video booth so veterans and other people as they

20 visit, they can make like a little video thing and we 10:30

21 could, you know, have like a history of, you know, what

22 took place.

23 So let's say that booth -- this is a

24 hypothetical number and I'm only using this to describe

25 what I'm talking about -- would be $10,000. Okay. So 10:30


1 maybe it's not nearly that much, but we're using

2 erroneous numbers.

3 So under the agreement, if Heroes Hall or

4 Centennial Farm were to do an event that was for the

5 sole purpose of advancing that initiative where all 10:30

6 benefits from that event accrue to the state, how could

7 we -- accrue to the state because the state has these

8 things -- how do we handle that in a way that doesn't

9 turn people off and, you know, that kind of thing?

10 So what we have found out through great legal 10:31

11 research done by Josh who's done, you know, a really

12 good job, is, okay, this board can essentially value,

13 what does that event for that -- for our two -- let's

14 say two charities, how does the public -- what's the

15 public good that comes out of that? What's the public 10:31

16 benefit that comes out of that? What is the benefit to

17 the fairgrounds and fair and event center? What comes

18 out of that by being part of that and advertising that?

19 And then we come to a value and that value then

20 is subtracted off the cost. So let's say we were to do 10:32

21 an event and the cost of the event that the staff work

22 is like $6,000. The fair board can say, hey, look, the

23 money that's coming to this that benefits us and

24 benefits the public to the tune -- you know, of big tune

25 and having, you know, our name associated with the only 10:32


1 farm that's available in the county for kids to go and

2 tour and learn, it's a big plus. Or for the educational

3 part of Heroes Hall, learning about freedom isn't free

4 in our history, and those kinds of things. That is, you

5 know, again, great value. 10:32

6 So we may determine out of the $6,000, we're

7 getting $8,000. It doesn't matter. Or we're getting

8 $5,000 worth. In that situation, we do that in an open

9 meeting and that situation the group would owe $1000.

10 Now, the reverse is true. Let's say we want 10:33

11 to -- and anytime I misstate this, Counsel, you're not

12 shy about jumping in, anyway, so be less shy. I want to

13 get this correct.

14 Let's say, okay, we're going to do an event and

15 we want to put in the video and we're going to go out 10:33

16 raise 10,000 bucks for the video booth. So we throw the

17 event. Fair puts in $3,000 and we say, hey, that's

18 fair. You know, I mean, you're going to get the benefit

19 of this. It's a fair deal.

20 S o we have the event, but we only raise $8,000. 10:33

21 In that circumstance, then either the Centennial Farm

22 Foundation or Heroes Hall, we've got to make up that

23 other $2,000. Right? Because we set forth an event to

24 do ten.

25 We all agreed that it was great and it was a 10:34


1 good thing and so the fair put up its portion that made

2 that happen, but we're responsible to -- as either the

3 foundation on either -- they're responsible to make up

4 the difference if there was a specific goal.

5 So it's kind of -- it's a really I think a fair 10:34

6 way to do that.

7 What -- so what we're talking about here and

8 what I'm going to ask is, we've got to get these MOUs

9 right. I'm not sure if that's clearly articulated in

10 the MOU that we have before us. And so while I did have 10:34

11 the opportunity to talk to Vice Chair Bagneris about

12 this, to get the Vice Chair's, you know, view, I think

13 we both came to the conclusion that we want to get this

14 right.

15 We want to do it once. We don't want any -- 10:35

16 you know, keep doing it. And so we want to get that

17 articulated in the MOU, and therefore, I'm -- on behalf

18 of the vice chair and the chair, that we are asking if

19 we can put this over another month so we get clarity on

20 that, if the board would indulge us. 10:35

21 If so, if there would be a motion to continue

22 to the next month, we would continue it and clear it up.

23 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: So moved.


25 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Third. 10:35


1 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: It's moved by Director

2 La Belle, seconded by -- seconded by Director Cervantes

3 who plays the violin, and to continue it next month in

4 an effort -- not delay. It's just as we learn things,

5 we want to do it once, do it right and do it the same 10:35

6 way for both foundations.

7 Any other discussion?

8 If not, Madam Secretary, please call the role.


10 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Yes. 10:36


12 VICE CHAIR BAGNERIS: Yes.



15 MADAM SECRETARY: Director La Belle? 10:36





20 DIRECTOR RUIZ: Yes. 10:36



23 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Next item, capital budget

24 contingency fund approval process. It's an action item.

25 Madam CEO? 10:36


1 MS. KRAMER: I want to include VP of operations,

2 Ken Karns.

3 MR. KARNS: For the staff report, as a reminder in

4 the background, the board approved an operating capital

5 budget of 142- -- of 2.5 million. Inside in that budget 10:36

6 for the first time is a contingency fund of $143,000.

7 We're recommending that the oversight of that

8 fund and that the board look to approve a $50,000

9 expenditure, have to be brought back to the board for

10 approval. 10:37

11 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Okay. Thank you for the

12 recommendation.

13 Board members, any questions?

14 (No response.)

15 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Board comments? 10:37

16 (No response.)

17 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: In that case, there is time for

18 a motion.

19 Anyone care to make one?

20 DIRECTOR RUIZ: So moved. 10:37


22 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: It's been moved to approve by

23 Director Ruiz, seconded by Director Cervantes.

24 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Now, any other discussion

25 regarding the matter? 10:37






5 VICE CHAIR BAGNERIS: Yes. 10:37





10 MADAM SECRETARY: Director Cervantes? 10:37





15 DIRECTOR PHAM: Yes. 10:37

16 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: That passes.

17 Next item, 2017 OC Fair theme presentation.

18 Madam CEO?

19 MS. KRAMER: Okay. With less than about six months,

20 I'm sure we're all anxious to understand or hear what 10:38

21 our theme is going to be this year. I have to say

22 before I turn it over to Michele Richards, our VP of

23 business development, how fun it's been to work and put,

24 as you'll hear from Michele in a couple of minutes, a

25 three-year look and really going back to understanding 10:38


1 how we can bring agriculture and be relevant in an urban

2 environment.

3 With that, Michele?

4 MS. RICHARDS: Thank you.

5 Did anyone happen to see the big cow coming in? 10:38

6 No? You missed it.

7 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: I thought it was Chick-fil-A.

8 MS. RICHARDS: She's going to help us introduce the

9 2017 OC Fair theme.

10 So themes are important to us as an 10:38

11 organization because they allow us to sort of put a

12 united, consolidated message out into the market to

13 announce the fair. They also keep our customers coming

14 back each year because they announce something new and

15 different at the fair. 10:38

16 They also help us emphasize the specific aspect

17 of the fair each year, so I wanted to share a couple of

18 past themes with you all.

19 Do you remember in 2012, we did "Home Sweet

20 Home" as we welcomed back those serving in the military 10:39

21 that were returning back from service. In 2011, our

22 theme was focused on music, "The Beat Goes On." You

23 might remember in 2013, it was all about food as we

24 invited the community to "Come and Get It."

25 In 2014, the fair was all about the celebration 10:39


1 of summer and how the fair was the event of the summer

2 where we had "Summer Starts Here." And then of course,

3 who could forget our 2015 theme as we celebrated our

4 125th anniversary with "One Big Party." Last year, in

5 2016, it was just celebrating pure fun at the fair with 10:40

6 "Get Your Fair Face On."

7 As Kathy mentioned, earlier this year we

8 launched a three-year plan to focus on growing our

9 education and agriculture assets at the OC Fair & Event

10 Center, not only during the fair, but throughout the 10:40

11 fair as well. And that plan is consistent with our

12 mission, which you see on the call, and that's to

13 celebrate Orange County's communities, interests,

14 agriculture and heritage.

15 So we wanted to use the fair to build on those 10:40

16 great AG and education assets and get that message out

17 to the community. Let see if I can give you a little

18 perspective.

19 The photo that you see here, the gentlemen on

20 the right is Mr. Jim Bailey, the founder of Centennial 10:40

21 Farm, and on the left is one of our Centennial Farm

22 crew, Jesus Escobel.

23 Jim Bailey said once that I think there are

24 many people in our urban community that have no idea

25 where our food comes from. It's scary, but it's not 10:41


1 their fault.

2 That presents a great opportunity, a great

3 challenge to us as an organization to teach people in a

4 fun way.

5 He also said that too many think beef's 10:41

6 something that comes packaged and vegetables and other

7 food come frozen or in cans in the grocery store.

8 Again, a great opportunity for us to educate in

9 a fun way.

10 He also said it's important that people know 10:41

11 when you get that lettuce that's already cut up and

12 washed in a bag, that somebody had to plant that seed,

13 someone to pick it, and watch it grow.

14 Many of you know that Jim Bailey passed away

15 last year, but his words ring true for us. So in 2017, 10:41

16 2018 and 2019, we'll use the OC Fair to celebrate

17 community, celebrate education, and particularly

18 celebrate agriculture. We're going to do that through

19 three different platforms.

20 In year one, it will be all about the food. 10:42

21 This will help guide our creative direction and

22 specifically how food makes its way from the farm to our

23 tables, even fair food.

24 In 2018, the focus will be on people and

25 specifically the people all along the way that help 10:42


1 bring that food to our tables, and not only farmers, but

2 people that are growing their own gardens and the

3 movement to introduce more fresh and organic foods.

4 In 2019, year three, it will be all about the

5 environment and what role the environment plays in 10:42

6 agriculture and why it's important for us to take care

7 of the earth.

8 But it has to connect with our urban Orange

9 County community. It has to be relevant to those of us

10 in Orange County that are not necessarily exposed to 10:43

11 agriculture on a day-to-day basis. And of course, it

12 has to be fun because we're the OC Fair; right?

13 So we're very proud to invite the whole

14 community to come out to the fair this year for some

15 farm fresh fun. 10:43

16 What we'll find -- what our guests will find in

17 addition to rides, food and entertainment is lots of fun

18 agriculture exhibits, lots of fun agriculture contests,

19 agricultural performances and activities, and not just

20 in our livestock area and at Centennial Farm,. But in 10:43

21 some less traditional parts of the fair as well.

22 So we'll celebrate our agricultural past, we'll

23 introduce our agriculture future and we'll have a lot of

24 farm fresh fun.

25 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Thank you. Excellent. 10:43


1 I had the opportunity to be part of this

2 development of the -- went to the focus groups. I think

3 we learned a lot from those focus groups and

4 particularly, you know, there's more of an inclination

5 about healthy -- about healthy food. 10:44

6 I mean throughout the focus group there was --

7 throughout the focus group there was an under riding

8 theme about we want other options. You know, there was

9 no question about that. We want other food options.

10 And I think they -- my feeling is, I think 10:44

11 people want those other food options and there's some

12 that be will remain -- I think like myself, I want those

13 other food options until I smell the bacon.

14 So, you know, we'll have -- we'll have some of

15 that. So great job. 10:44

16 Are there any other questions?

17 (No response.)

18 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Okay. We got a theme, "Farm

19 Fresh Fun."

20 Thank you. 10:45

21 MS. KRAMER: Thank you.

22 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Next is my item, board of

23 directors fair attendance award.

24 I asked this item to be on the agenda because I

25 wanted to establish an award if you are a member of the 10:45


1 board of directors and have 100 percent attendance. We

2 have one member of our board that's, I think, five years

3 100 percent attendance which speaks to two things.

4 One is his commitment and dedication to

5 responsibility. The other is -- I don't know what he's 10:45

6 got going on in his life, but that being said, as an

7 action item, I would like to propose the board by way of

8 motion that we establish to Stan Tkaczyk, perfect

9 attendance award that will be given annually to any fair

10 board member that can prove perfect attendance. 10:46

11 So --

12 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: So moved.

13 DIRECTOR PHAM: Second.

14 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Not yet. You don't know

15 what's -- how to prove this. 10:46

16 The proof is basically if you are here, check

17 in with somebody, turn in a little chit to Summer, I'm

18 here, and she'll keep them all. At the end of the fair,

19 we will all -- or you know, if you show up for dinner,

20 and then at the end of the fair we will hand out the 10:46

21 Stan Tkaczyk perfect attendance award, if any board

22 member should win it.

23 DIRECTOR PHAM: Second.

24 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: We had a motion by Director

25 Cervantes, a second by -- 10:46


1 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: It was Pham.

2 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: -- second by Director Pham.

3 Any discussion?

4 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Is this any and all? All

5 get the award? 10:46

6 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: You all get the award.

7 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Is Stan eligible for the award?

8 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: No. He did five years. He's

9 finished. We give him one award and keep it for the

10 rest of your life. No more coming. But -- no, of 10:47

11 course he wants to get his own award, it's up to him.

12 He doesn't seem like he --

13 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: It's a great idea.

14 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Any other discussion?

15 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Just thank you. That's really 10:47

16 special.

17 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: It's well deserved, Stan.

18 We're all proud of you doing it. I mean, I was proud to

19 see what the rest of the people think. So --

20 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: If I may just say this. 10:47

21 One of that things I learned as a young man and

22 one of my mentors taught me and I would share with

23 success to my business that would come to my business,

24 they would say, what's the key to your success? And I'd

25 said, I'm going give you the key to success. And that 10:47


1 is number one, show up on time. Number two, have a good

2 attitude. If you have those two things in your life,

3 you'll be a success. So that's also showing up.

4 Thank you.

5 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Thank you. Well deserved. 10:48

6 Okay. Any other discussion?




10 MADAM SECRETARY: Vice Chair Bagneris? 10:48

11 DIRECTOR BAGNERIS: Yes.




15 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Yes. 10:48





20 MADAM SECRETARY: And Director Pham? 10:48


22 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Okay. Thank you.

23 Staff, would you please arrange for the award?

24 MS. KRAMER: Absolutely.

25 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Thank you very much. 10:48


1 Now what we're going to do is we're going to

2 take a little break. It's going to be till -- we'll

3 make this a time certain. At 11:30 we're coming back

4 into this room and do the master plan shareholder

5 meeting. 10:48

6 Those of you in the public, we're going to

7 start right on time at 11:30. You'll have an

8 opportunity for public comment at the beginning and

9 you'll have an opportunity for public comment at the

10 end. 10:48

11 With that, the Chair will direct a recess, time

12 certain to reconvene at 11:30.

13 (Off the record from 10:49 a.m. to 11:30 a.m.)

14 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: We're going to report a

15 presentation and discussion. We did want to offer an 11:36

16 opportunity for anybody in the public to make opening

17 comments.

18 And so with that, Reggie, you're on. If you

19 can step right around --

20 MS. MUNDEKIS: Stand by the door? 11:36

21 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Yeah.

22 MS. MUNDEKIS: I thank you for this opportunity on

23 this matter. I've been --

24 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Do you want the mic?

25 MS. MUNDEKIS: I would love the mic. 11:36


1 Thank you for the opportunity to address you

2 today. I've been through many of these processes from

3 OCTA to city councils to county and things, so I have

4 some questions which I'm pretty sure to the planning

5 folks, you're going to be really familiar. It's just we 11:37

6 haven't been given the information yet.

7 So I'd like to know the plan from the outreach,

8 specific dates, times, locations and specific groups

9 you've targeted for outreach, stakeholders in this

10 process. 11:37

11 What is being done to outreach to the enter

12 Orange County community? Because this is a community

13 asset for the whole county, it's just not Costa Mesa.

14 For instance, OCTA in my opinion does a good job as far

15 as outreach to the entire county with their road 11:37

16 projects and their OCTA bus service and other

17 transportation issues. I think they do a good job when

18 they have to reach out to the south counties and the

19 north county people and the beach cities and the people

20 further inland. 11:37

21 We want to make sure we get a lot of input from

22 different stakeholders from different parts of the

23 county because everyone uses this property little bit

24 different, and all of us Orange County people

25 collectively own it. More -- is possible. 11:38


1 What is the overall timeline of the project?

2 What are the key milestones? Things like, you know,

3 first draft, second draft, posted EIR launch date,

4 proposed -- when you're going to publish the EIR and

5 comment on the EIR process starts. Who is handling the 11:38

6 CEQA process?

7 Because staff here, you know, because they're

8 not planners, they don't understand CEQA. We have to

9 rely heavily on your team to help us on CEQA because

10 nobody on staff really understands CEQA. We all know 11:38

11 that that's a beast onto itself.

12 And, you know, when something comes up for

13 public review, where's the document going to be located?

14 What cite is it going to be on? Will it be hard copy

15 ready for review? Usually this is at a planning 11:38

16 counter, but since this facility doesn't have a planning

17 counter, how is that process going to be handled?

18 How are the four previous legal settlements

19 being taken into account and if the planners -- and get

20 copies of those? There's two regarding the Pacific 11:39

21 Amphitheater and then there's two with the City of

22 Costa Mesa.

23 The latest with the City of Costa Mesa has

24 restrictions on what can be done here as far as activity

25 and also has limits on the floor area ratio that may be 11:39


1 covered for the property. I don't know if you guys have

2 been given that.

3 If a member of the public can't attend a

4 meeting, how can they participate in the process?

5 And if there's anything else you want to share 11:39

6 with us regarding how this process is going to work.

7 Thank you very much for this meeting.

8 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Okay. Thank you.

9 Now I want to turn it over to Ken.

10 Ken? 11:39

11 MR. KARNS: Thanks everyone. This is an exciting

12 milestone kind of day for us.

13 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Do you want the mic?

14 MR. KARNS: No. Can you hear me? We're in the

15 nine-month process, as you well know -- 11:40

16 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Ken, our transcriptionist

17 needs you to use the microphone, please. Thank you.

18 MR. KARNS: So we went through the nine-month

19 process or so writing an RFP, putting it out on the

20 street, and selecting and scoring with our committee, 11:40

21 finding our consultant to help us through this process

22 which is a very robust stakeholder meeting sets of

23 process to develop and a ten-year master site plan.

24 So with that, I'd like to introduce

25 Charlie Johnson. He will facilitate the stakeholder 11:40


1 meeting brainstorming and introduce you to his team, but

2 this is a great day for us. I'm excited to be here.

3 Charlie?

4 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Thank you, Ken.

5 My name is Charlie Johnson, president of 11:40

6 Johnson Consulting, and I'm the lead consultant for our

7 master planning team. And we have the disciplines of

8 market and financial analysis which is what Ryan and I

9 specialize in. We also have a local architectural firm

10 and that's represented by HPI. And we also have one of 11:41

11 the world's best urban planning firms called SWA.

12 And I'm actually sick today, so I'm going to

13 really allow other folks to do most of the facilitation

14 and I'm going to be taking notes. But Megan's going to

15 be leading the facilitation process. 11:41

16 But from a big picture standpoint, we will be

17 addressing many of the comments that were just described

18 and we will be working with staff to get answers to

19 those types of questions.

20 But this is the first of five outreach programs 11:41

21 that we're doing, and we felt it was most important to

22 really listen to the board to see what their insights

23 are and what types of ideas and things of that nature

24 that they have for this project. So we're going to be

25 reviewing a five-part -- actually, a four-part exercise. 11:41


1 Mission of the venue, the context of the venue, what you

2 all see as the vision for the future, and how we can

3 address that both operationally and physically, as well

4 as -- that's really the three that we're going to be

5 focusing in on. 11:42

6 I'm going to turn this over to Megan now and

7 allow her to start the facilitation process, and I'll

8 let each person introduce themselves real quickly.

9 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: In response to one of the

10 questions that Reggie had, it's kind of a four-phase 11:42

11 scope of work that basically comes back to the board on

12 four different occasions during the course of the study.

13 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: That's correct.

14 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Somebody might want to touch on

15 that real quickly. I think the intended objective is to 11:42

16 conclude the process by late this year, the fourth

17 phase, so if somebody could touch on what those four

18 phases are, I think it would serve to answer at least

19 some of Reggie's questions.

20 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: All right. That sounds good. 11:43

21 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Thank you.

22 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: So we've devised a four-phase

23 process. We had a whole host of internal workshops

24 already and so we've had some kick-off meetings with

25 staff. We've taken site tours and things of that 11:43


1 nature, so that's kind of an orientational process.

2 Concurrent with that is our outreach. And so

3 the community outreach is our next wave of work. And

4 what we'll be doing over the next I would say month and

5 a half to two months, we'll be doing the outreach 11:43

6 process, and we'll also be refreshing the outreach

7 process once we start devising some conclusions from our

8 analysis.

9 And then we're going to be doing the business

10 analysis and also the physicality analysis for the 11:43

11 project. And so the milestones we have for the

12 outreach, we anticipate that being concluded about

13 April-ish. All right?

14 And then the market analysis is happening and

15 the strategic planning is happening all the way 11:44

16 throughout the process. And then we're going to start

17 drafting our report and we should be starting hitting

18 conclusions and ideas and things and tools for us to be

19 working with to start having you all react to and

20 respond to I would say the middle of the year. So that 11:44

21 would be about, you know, June and July type of time

22 frame.

23 And then the rest of it is really interactive

24 with you all with our planning team and our market

25 analysis team and our architectural team to really come 11:44


1 up with that vision master plan. So this is really the

2 first step in that process.

3 So does that sufficiently answer your question?

4 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: I think so.

5 Then the intent is that the whole process would 11:44

6 be concluded November of this year --

7 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: That's what our --

8 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: -- in advance of the board's

9 consideration of the budget for the ensuing year and

10 years? 11:45

11 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Correct.

12 And I think the issue really relates to the

13 earning capability of the venue as well as the capital

14 requirements that are going to be necessary for

15 achieving improvement, mission goals as well as the 11:45

16 capability to serve your customers and your constituents

17 better. Those are the types of -- really the strategy

18 aspect of the work that we will be doing.

19 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Thank you.

20 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: With us today is Ryan Johnson. 11:45

21 He's part of Johnson Consulting and he will be working

22 with me on the market and financial analysis. We've

23 already summarized the demand that currently happens

24 here. We're starting to compare that to other

25 operations and also looking at the finances. 11:45


1 Elizabeth Shreeve is with SWA. She's the urban

2 planning firm and she's been with us through a set of

3 meetings already and so she'll be participating today

4 from listening for the urban planning standpoint,

5 transportation, adjacent land uses, et cetera. 11:46

6 And then the balance of the team is Megan,

7 Larry and Milene and they're from HPI. They really are

8 outstanding with respect to outreach and things of that

9 nature. And I think it's important for you all to maybe

10 even introduce the fact of the types of projects that 11:46

11 you're working on nearby which I think is very

12 important.

13 So Megan, I'm going to turn this over to you

14 now.

15 MS. GAUNCE: I'll let -- 11:46

16 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: All right.

17 MR. FRAPWELL: So today really is about listening

18 and I think we -- I think you'll all get an opportunity

19 to get some of those questions previously, kind of walk

20 through those today. 11:46

21 And what we really want to hear is, we come

22 here with no preconceived idea. We come here wanting to

23 understand what's your mission, your values, and your

24 understanding of the property is today, what your

25 visions might be for it in the future, and what that 11:47


1 means from a planning and facility standpoint. Then

2 obviously Charlie and his team will be looking at the

3 financial impact of all of that.

4 Just to give you a little history. HPI was

5 founded in '75. I've been in the firm since '76, I 11:47

6 think, and we are an Orange County practice. We do a

7 lot of planning work. In fact, we're currently doing

8 the planning work for your neighbor across the street,

9 the Vanguard University. We've recently completed a

10 master planning process with them and are currently 11:47

11 working through that process at the City of Costa Mesa.

12 We'll be submitting under a master plan and process here

13 in the next month or so.

14 We've also recently completed and been involved

15 for a number of years in Orange Coast College, another 11:48

16 of your neighbors. Began planning work for Orange Coast

17 College back in the early 2000s and have completed two

18 master plans -- two full master plans and updates of

19 several ongoing master plans.

20 So I think we have a good understanding of some 11:48

21 of the context of this campus and this site and we

22 really look forward to bringing those same planning

23 skills together with Elizabeth, the bear here, in this

24 process.

25 So hopefully -- does that respond to the 11:48


1 question?

2 Okay. So I think the process is going to be

3 here that we will -- we're going to attempt to go

4 through those questions, but they're really just a

5 guideline. If there's anybody -- we can step outside of 11:48

6 those and we like to -- you know, from our perspective,

7 we want to keep it here at the 20,000 foot level, but if

8 you need to go down to the ground level, we can do that

9 as well.

10 What we've done to date, HPI and SWA, is we've 11:49

11 had an opportunity to walk the campus several times, to

12 walk the fairgrounds, to go through each of the

13 buildings. We had some opportunity to meet with your

14 maintenance and operations people and talk about some of

15 the concerns with those facilities. And so, you know, I 11:49

16 think we have a fairly good understanding of the

17 facilities.

18 But we want to go beyond the facilities as we

19 begin this process and really look at what your vision

20 is for Orange County Fair & Event Center. 11:49

21 MS. GAUNCE: A couple notes on today, it can be as

22 boring or as fun as we like to try to make it. The goal

23 for us it really get a good sense of you, your vision,

24 your sense of the site in as much of a participatory

25 manner as we can. 11:50


1 So the questions that you all have in front of,

2 as Larry mentioned, are guidelines. We'd like to start

3 maybe with some big picture questions to start getting

4 us talking about the site a little bit and we'll see

5 where it goes in the next couple of hours here. 11:50

6 Behind me we have some diagrams. These boards

7 here are from our interview and information but they'll

8 also work as a really nice note taking board.

9 And then behind us here are some first

10 evaluations of the site. SWA put together some lovely 11:50

11 diagrams and we just really started to look at the site

12 from a preliminary standpoint. We like to call it our

13 SWAT analysis and planning, our strengths, weaknesses,

14 opportunities and threats. It's not all complete. This

15 is a part of that process. But we've got some diagrams 11:50

16 really just to talk through if something comes up.

17 This here (indicating), is some aerials of the

18 site. This is what it looks like when you just go to

19 Google. Typical day. This here is during your fair and

20 this here is during a marketplace event (indicating). 11:51

21 So you can just start to see how we're using the site in

22 different manners, how it's breaking up, what happens

23 when lots of things are going on at one time.

24 And then this here is your current site map

25 (indicating). And you should all have an 11-by-17 of 11:51


1 that in front of you, so if you want to reference

2 something, at some point in time we're going to ask you

3 to come up and here and participate with us in an

4 exercise.

5 But really, please, shout something out, cut me 11:51

6 off if you need to. Milene is going to be taking some

7 notes and we'll get them distributed around here as we

8 move forward.

9 With that, I think we'll begin.

10 So we'll just start with the first question. 11:51

11 Big picture, what's your purpose? What's the purpose of

12 OC Fair & Event Center?

13 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I think the purpose is pretty

14 simply put in that mission statement, although simple, I

15 think it articulates the fact that it is to support the 11:52

16 interests of agriculture and heritage and that's how I

17 see it. People may see it differently.

18 But as we go through this planning process, the

19 board has over the last several years adopted I think

20 somewhat of a shift, and the shift doesn't have too much 11:52

21 to do with the fair itself. That's kind of an activity

22 that goes on, you know, regardless of who's here. We're

23 selling fried food. It's kind of like that's how this

24 goes.

25 The shift has been to use this property in a 11:53


1 way that it supports educational needs of the community,

2 of the students around us, and to make this place alive.

3 And so, you know, that's a very serious shift. It's a

4 shift that -- you know, I've had three direct

5 conversations with the governor about -- directly about 11:53

6 us and we've had some follow up, what have you got --

7 kind of what we've done here with Heroes Hall and

8 Centennial Farm and Worker's Memorial is -- there's such

9 a contraction of public space that using public space

10 for the public good during the times that we're not 11:53

11 having a fair and not solely being reliant on

12 traditional events and those other things.

13 MS. GAUNCE: You mentioned community and education.

14 Is there a limit to what that education might be?

15 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: It has to be around our 11:54

16 heritage and like we do veterans in here, because this

17 is it, this is their property, so -- from Santa Ana Air

18 Base. And of course, there is a new commitment in

19 Sacramento about agricultural outreach, too.

20 So, you know, it's a matter of tying those -- 11:54

21 there's a lot in those. For instance, we have the

22 Worker's Memorial which I don't know -- you obviously

23 saw it being done, not just to say, okay, we're going to

24 teach kids, you know, that, you know, lettuce doesn't

25 come from your grocery store. We want to teach them 11:54


1 those kinds of things.

2 At the same time, we want to teach them, look,

3 understand that in our community, Orange County,

4 ranchers all got really -- everybody got really rich.

5 They named cities after them, freeways after them, parks 11:55

6 after them, streets after them. You haven't seen

7 anything named for them or about them until you -- the

8 workers who actually struggled in the field who went

9 completely unrecognized and some had a shoot on site in

10 1937 when they were going to go on strike, that also is 11:55

11 a very much part of this community. That's an

12 educational project.

13 So we could do a lot of things that fit within

14 that kind of educational project within our heritage.

15 MS. GAUNCE: So I'm going to pull out that AG piece. 11:55

16 I like our theme is "Farm Fresh Fun." So I'll pull out

17 that.

18 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Bacon.

19 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: From my perspective,

20 Orange County Fair, this is our major event. This is 11:56

21 the big event, and we bring -- we bring joy to people's

22 lives. That's what I want to make sure that this pulls

23 out because that is the key, that fair piece. That's

24 why we're here. That's why we exist. All the rest of

25 it wraps around that. 11:56


1 MS. GAUNCE: Did you want to see that joy throughout

2 the other 11 months? Is there that joy right now

3 throughout the other 11 months?

4 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Absolutely. It should flow

5 throughout. But that major event, that's what they're 11:56

6 trying to do on this property, bring joy into people's

7 lives. I think that's it.

8 MS. GAUNCE: Yes, Stan?

9 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: One of the things that I -- I'm

10 not sure how to approach it, but safety and security is 11:56

11 a big thing in today's world. And we've had some

12 discussion on that and how we overlay that over this

13 project is something that I'd like to keep in mind as we

14 develop it, because I think what we have here is

15 something that when someone shows up, one of the things 11:57

16 we hear about this facility from other facilities in the

17 state is that when they come to the Orange County

18 Fair & Event Center, they feel safe.

19 And we want to continue that feeling and also

20 fun. So safe, secure and fun. 11:57

21 MS. GAUNCE: So safe, secure, fun, educational,

22 heritage.

23 DIRECTOR RUIZ: We're imagining and we'd like to

24 have all year events as well -- and we'd like to have

25 events all year round. If there are some dates that are 11:57


1 not getting working people to come in, you know, and

2 events we would like to do this year round, but have

3 more dates on the calendar than we do now.

4 MS. GAUNCE: Good.

5 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: What's inhibiting those? 11:57

6 DIRECTOR RUIZ: That's something we have to get back

7 to you on that, Charlie.

8 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: We're going to pull it out of

9 your brains today.

10 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: I think also for a long time it 11:58

11 was viewed as a fair, so the caption of OC Fair & Event

12 Center I think it's taken time where it's being seen as

13 an event center facility as well.

14 MS. GAUNCE: More than one event?

15 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: Right. I know many people that 11:58

16 come here during the fair.

17 MS. SHREEVE: Your fair itself is so strongly

18 branded and so well known and so robust compared to a

19 lot of other fairs, that it maybe cast a bit of a shadow

20 over the rest of the year or as this place as an event 11:58

21 center multi-purpose.

22 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: I think the event center is

23 key. It's such a great facility with a lot of growth

24 potential, that if somebody did need a convention

25 center, this would be -- the event center with enough 11:58


1 visibility and exposure that we would be able to attract

2 that other sphere of people.

3 MS. GAUNCE: Wonderful.

4 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: We are seeing a shift

5 toward other events; right? But if you take the fair 11:59

6 out of that, that's a big chunk of what this place is.

7 It would fundamentally change this whole property. So

8 that's why when you're back to let's bring joy to

9 people's lives, and that is that event.

10 Those other events we have seen a shift to more 11:59

11 events in the past couple of years.

12 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Can I call staff? Where's staff

13 here?

14 We're doing well over 150 additional events a

15 year. You're familiar with that. I didn't know what 11:59

16 you know.

17 MR. FRAPWELL: Continue to enlighten us.

18 MS. GAUNCE: Yes, continue to enlighten us, though.

19 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: That's being built on. And I

20 know it was previously 150, and I think it's even higher 11:59

21 than that now. And some of them are big, some are

22 small. But it is an event center and I think we need to

23 make it known as other board members have shared.

24 MS. GAUNCE: And follow the money.

25 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: What's the moneymaker? 12:00


1 What actually pays for this property?

2 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: On Barbara's point, fulfilling

3 our mission, we have events that generate revenue and we

4 have facilities that take revenue to provide the

5 Centennial Farms, Heroes Hall, the Worker's Memorial, 12:00

6 those in and of themselves do not generate --

7 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Imaginology.

8 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: -- do not generate revenues in

9 and of themselves. So from my perspective, the fair

10 generates significant revenues, other activities through 12:00

11 the rental of the facilities generate revenues. I'm

12 concerned that we maximize the revenue generating

13 opportunities through the uses and facilities we develop

14 here so that we basically have more money to support --

15 MS. GAUNCE: Use those resources. 12:01

16 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: -- the educational facilities.

17 We have several foundations, I think as you know, that

18 are working very hard to generate revenues that go back

19 into the programming and operations of the various

20 facilities, so I want to maximize the revenue we can 12:01

21 generate in terms of enhancing the facility.

22 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Can we put a list of the programs

23 that -- where is staff?

24 I just want to make sure we have them all. The

25 programs that we put on that are not moneymakers but 12:01


1 they're really community --

2 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: We would like to get that.

3 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Yeah. I think you need to have

4 that. When I say about educating, this is where we need

5 to go to basics so you understand basics. 12:01

6 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Yeah.

7 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: We assume -- so those

8 events would be that we produce and really are not

9 making money on. Imaginology.

10 MS. KRAMER: Is our community give back and then we 12:02

11 self produce two events. Imaginology and the OC Fair.

12 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: That's it now?

13 MS. KRAMER: Just two for now.

14 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: That was a short list.

15 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: You have the community farm 12:02

16 and you have a variety of other things as well.

17 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: As Nick said, we have Centennial

18 Farms and now we have Heroes Hall. I think those should

19 be added to that list because they are part of that.

20 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Well, and the Worker's Memorial, 12:02

21 obviously the costs of that are minimal at this point in

22 time. We want to enhance that.

23 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: That should be on the list.

24 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: The equestrian operation, we

25 want to do what we can. That's an important part of 12:02


1 what we do here on the --

2 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: It's not a program, but it's part

3 of.

4 MS. GAUNCE: It's a land use.

5 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Yes. It provides a much needed 12:03

6 facility for the equestrian folks.

7 MR. FRAPWELL: I missed one of those. We talked

8 about Heroes Hall, but there was something --

9 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Worker's Memorial.

10 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Heroes Hall. 12:03

11 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Centennial Farms.

12 MR. FRAPWELL, By the way, I'm an architect.

13 MS. GAUNCE: Who do you serve?

14 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: You. All the residents of

15 Orange County. 12:03

16 MS. GAUNCE: I've been here many times. All the

17 residents of Orange County? What about --

18 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: I think we've got

19 L.A. County, San Diego, probably California. People

20 come here from everywhere. 12:03

21 MS. GAUNCE: What about groups, for instance? I

22 happen to remember when I was in elementary school

23 coming to visit the farm, coming, you know, to the

24 marketplace on the --

25 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Couple years ago. 12:03


1 MS. GAUNCE: Just a couple of --

2 So what other types of groups are actively

3 coming and maybe benefiting from -- throughout the

4 community? Maybe people who outside Orange County?

5 Within Orange County? 12:04

6 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: We need a significant outreach

7 effort to the cities, all of the corporate entities, and

8 the county to try to get them involved as another public

9 agency in terms of the kinds of things we're doing.

10 Staff has done an excellent job and the board 12:04

11 has in expanding that program, so -- and then the

12 education side of it for the -- particularly Heroes Hall

13 and Centennial Farms.

14 MR. FRAPWELL: Outreach to the city, how do they

15 participate? How do they -- how does that engagement 12:04

16 work?

17 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: To varying degrees. What staff

18 has done and we have a board committee, Sandra and

19 myself, we make an outreach to the cities to get them

20 involved in Costa Mesa day at the fair, Huntington Beach 12:05

21 day at the fair, and bring community leaders in. Some

22 city's participation is minimal and some is pretty

23 extensive.

24 Michele can expand on that, Michele Richards.

25 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Flag raising. 12:05


1 MS. SHREEVE: Is that participation in the fair or

2 is that -- did you say participation in the fair itself?

3 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: It's basically the day of the

4 fair.

5 MS. GAUNCE: Coming to the fair as guests? 12:05

6 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: That's an opportunity to get

7 them involved in a variety of other things.

8 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: We have a daily flag raising and

9 at that the flag raising is when we acknowledge the

10 community that's here. Costa Mesa, Huntington Beach, so 12:05

11 that's at the time that we recognize them. And then as

12 Doug mentioned, their participation kind of -- is at

13 different levels.

14 I don't know, you are on the committee on that,

15 so what level it's at, I'm not sure. 12:05

16 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Some are pretty extensive and

17 some are minimal. But it's been growing. It's been an

18 effort in the last three or four years that the board

19 and staff have undertaken to try to make that outreach

20 effort to the communities. 12:06

21 MS. GAUNCE: So would you say that you're serving

22 the community well?

23 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I think we're doing a good job.

24 But you know, there's more I think we can do.

25 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: A lot more. 12:06


1 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: We want to learn.

2 MS. GAUNCE: How can we improve?

3 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I think we have to -- this is

4 just me -- I think we're improving by working with all

5 of you, actually. I think it's so we can, you know, 12:06

6 describe this. I think we are very -- I think we could

7 reach out more to the community.

8 The problem we have is it's like -- this is

9 like we've had -- and nothing bad about this -- it's

10 just a direction change, a policy change I think put -- 12:07

11 are pretty really one dimensional for a long time which

12 has been the fair itself. We had the Centennial Farm,

13 but, you know, we've kind of been more single dimension,

14 so the organization which is a big organization, it's

15 like turning the Queen Mary. It's when you want to set 12:07

16 forth a new direction, it's kind of a struggle because

17 people have been doing things the way they like them and

18 see them and have some pose or what they see as

19 important and that happens in every organization and

20 should happen because they're the most familiar with 12:07

21 this.

22 But I think we can do much more in terms of

23 reaching out to the community for our educational

24 projects, I think we can, you know, engage more students

25 which we are doing. But I think there are other kinds 12:08


1 of events that could be communicated at this event.

2 You know, we talked there's things about --

3 these jump in my head and they're all bad ideas -- we

4 wanted to have -- reach out to the community about what

5 we would do in the emergency. You know, we have old 12:08

6 horses here. There's things that we're going to do in

7 case of an emergency. Reach out to the community, let

8 them know about this --

9 MS. GAUNCE: This is that kind of site.

10 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: -- about this resource. 12:08

11 We have -- you know, we have a stable here. We

12 don't really do anything with it except people rent it

13 from us. But there are things for disadvantaged people,

14 students at risk, young people at risk. They ought to

15 be coming here and we know that work with horses and 12:09

16 those types of things, introduce into the urban

17 environment something that's a little more rural that

18 they'll never experience and brings life closer. We

19 rarely talk about that, but we really haven't really

20 done that. 12:09

21 So those are the kinds of things we can do, but

22 it requires a shift. It requires turning the Queen Mary

23 around and that's tough for any organization.

24 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Give you a history.

25 I'm saying this because I don't know how much 12:09


1 you know and you don't know.

2 For eight years plus ago, this facility went

3 through a situation where people were trying to sell it.

4 Okay? So that was out there and we had to work through

5 that. So we worked through that issue. 12:09

6 And then we went through a transition of

7 getting new leadership and a new CEO. A year and a half

8 ago we got that in place. Then we worked in getting our

9 senior management team in place. And I feel confident

10 that now we are at that point in time where that's been 12:10

11 fulfilled.

12 So when we talked about reaching out, I know

13 that some of that is started, but there was a time frame

14 here that we didn't have the ship built. And now the

15 ship is built and we want to put it out to sea. 12:10

16 MS. GAUNCE: Set the sails correctly.

17 MS. SHREEVE: Good metaphor.

18 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: On Nick's point, to expand the

19 different opportunities, in my past life I was involved

20 in a city that was active with the L.A. County Fair and 12:10

21 two to three years in a row we had a Habitat for

22 Humanity site there where it actually -- we built a

23 house.

24 The city managers one day would go in and then

25 the real people came in the next day and fixed 12:10


1 everything we did. But we took that house and then one

2 year that house went to Chino Hills, a community I

3 worked in on the site we provided and another year it

4 went to Chino, et cetera, et cetera.

5 So you bring in all of the building trades, you 12:11

6 bring in all the Habitat for Humanity volunteers and

7 that becomes something new that we could add to the

8 site. I think it was probably an acre, maybe, max that

9 we had it on. It was there during the course of the

10 fair and then it got moved to the site in whatever 12:11

11 community the house went to.

12 So you brought in a lot of volunteers, a lot of

13 people that were passionate about it and that brought in

14 new stakeholders to the fair. So there is probably a

15 number of examples like that that I think that we can 12:11

16 look at.

17 MS. GAUNCE: You're both speaking to almost a

18 personal level, community like that, meaningful

19 community outreach that maybe isn't a group of a

20 thousand, might take a lot of people to build a few 12:12

21 houses, so it's almost those smaller day-to-day things

22 that have a big impact within the community that aren't

23 necessarily big show stopping events.

24 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I mean, I'll give you an

25 example. 12:12


1 I had people call me, we should be doing this.

2 But there are state restrictions and it's really

3 difficult to -- in fact, I actually said this to -- a

4 couple, six week ago. I've never worked in a place that

5 is for the people that it's so hard to use for the 12:12

6 people in my entire life. You know, because there's so

7 many restrictions.

8 I mean, I have a guy, a person who in

9 connection with Heroes Hall that has -- he runs the

10 state of the art brain center that we have actually here 12:12

11 in Costa Mesa the returning Afghans and Iraqi vets, so

12 they have found that yoga is really working on some of

13 these brain stuff. So he said, we would like to do it

14 right here in the courtyard of Heroes Hall once a month

15 or whenever we could to bring yoga to these guys, you 12:13

16 know, and begin to heal them.

17 You know, and I said, what a great idea.

18 Problem is, it will cost you -- this is totally

19 hyperboles -- it's going to cost you an arm and a leg to

20 do it. So -- 12:13

21 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: What a way to define arm and leg.

22 You mean you're just thinking to rent?

23 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Yes, rent.

24 And it's expensive. This is the public place.

25 It's expensive to rent it. It's not inexpensive. 12:13


1 And I'm not saying it's bad. I mean, it's

2 expensive because a facility like this costs money. You

3 can't have a facility like this and not cost money. The

4 maintenance, just turn on the lights, all those things

5 are expensive. 12:13

6 But we're precluded from reaching out to a

7 community that surrounds us to doing good things. So

8 you're right, there are things that would have enormous

9 community impact but we're not able to do. So shifting

10 through that. 12:14

11 MS. SHREEVE: You're precluded because you can't

12 rent out on a pro bono or you have to charge?

13 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Just because of the fiscal

14 responsibility that we have.

15 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Or because of the state laws. A 12:14

16 gift of funds, different things.

17 MS. SHREEVE: Can you have different levels of

18 payment for a nonprofit versus --


20 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: There's is a whole level out 12:14

21 there that as a businessman I look at. Okay, you want

22 to come to my facility, come on down. You can't do that

23 here.

24 MS. SHREEVE: But you charge them less?

25 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Now you're making exceptions to 12:14


1 the rule and --

2 MS. SHREEVE: So you can't do tiers for nonprofit?

3 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: It creates issues.

4 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: From my perspective from the

5 various cities I was involved in and others, not to 12:15

6 disagree with Stan, but --

7 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Please.

8 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: -- but you can create tiers as

9 long as you address the issue of gift of public funds.

10 For example, a 501 C3 that is specifically devoted to 12:15

11 Heroes Hall or Centennial Farms, you can have one fee

12 structure for them versus a 501 3C that maybe's in

13 Huntington Beach or somewhere else not directly related

14 to that. You could have a different fee schedule for

15 them. So there are ways of tiering in and doing it 12:15

16 based on the experience that I've had.

17 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Thank you. I didn't know that

18 existed. I mean, this --

19 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: One thing in the plan process

20 is, what are those levels? Which ones are permissible? 12:15

21 Which ones aren't permissible?

22 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Right.

23 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: And see then if we can -- I

24 mean, I -- again, I'd like to see this public resource.

25 There's no public resources anywhere, and, you know, I 12:16


1 would like to -- and I know these are the sessions to

2 speak our mind and be candid. So I've encouraged

3 everybody to do it because that's what we're going for.

4 I mean, I would like to see as many cars coming

5 in and out of here, accessing our educational 12:16

6 facilities, maybe doing health things here, doing all

7 that as I see coming in here to get ready for the gem

8 fair or getting ready for -- you know, you'll stand out

9 there and then I'll say, vendors and that's what you see

10 coming in and out of here all the time. 12:16

11 I'm not discounting that. Important,

12 important, this leg of the base of that. It's important

13 because we can't do anything else unless we've got cars

14 coming in and out of here doing the other things.

15 The other part of this resource is state 12:16

16 property. You know, how do you use and give it back to

17 the people to use for things that are broader, more

18 important and maybe even more narrow, but important

19 community interests?

20 MS. SHREEVE: It seems to me that you're talking 12:17

21 about partnerships, the possibility of partnerships.

22 You're talking about Habitat for Humanity, a partner --

23 L.A. County Fair comment. The health organization can

24 be partnerships so that you can have a broader range of

25 events that are publicly minded and public serving an 12:17


1 ongoing basis through the year, more full use of your

2 facilities.

3 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I think some of it does. In my

4 feeling some of it does, would involve partnerships,

5 some of it involves people from the community who are -- 12:17

6 who are coming to us. But I think it's fair to say that

7 now -- I mean, I really think this and I can be wrong,

8 but I think -- I think it would be viewed now more as an

9 imposition.

10 It would be viewed by folks, look, we have all 12:18

11 these events going here. We have the fair going here.

12 We have Centennial Farm going here. We have Heroes Hall

13 coming here. Which all is a huge bit on anybody's

14 plate, but I think the policy perspective, and that's we

15 talked about using this year for is to restructure the 12:18

16 policy perspective and then have the view you have in

17 terms of, you know, implementing that policy

18 perspective, saying, yeah, but here's the other things

19 that we want -- don't feel imposed by or say we can't

20 handle this, it's too much. This group, no, can't do 12:18

21 this.

22 I think it's our view is, how do we establish

23 its public space and be ahead of the curve? Because let

24 me tell you, we have a new governor by way of

25 Gavin Newsome. You can bet these are going to be public 12:19


1 spaces that are going to be used, you can get ahead of

2 that and do things that --

3 MS. GAUNCE: It sounds to me like we need to find

4 that right balance between the business size, the event,

5 the moneymaking things that keep us operating, things 12:19

6 that are maybe a much larger scale using our facilities,

7 and then the community give backs. The feel good. How

8 can we maximum this throughout the year and make sure

9 that the outreach is there, but the community is there.

10 Is there more that we can do here, but it's 12:19

11 still much in balance with the business side? And it

12 may be those are involved in some of those larger

13 events, maybe they're not in some of them. But I think

14 so far what I've heard is there's -- it's for the

15 community. 12:19

16 The site is completely for the public, the

17 whole county and then some. We need to make sure that

18 we're representing education, heritage, farm fun -- farm

19 fresh fun, but that joy, so you have a lot of things.

20 You can give back, you can have that fun, the 12:20

21 entertainment center.

22 MR. FRAPWEll: Who are your partners right now in

23 the education?

24 MS. GAUNCE: Do you work with the school districts?

25 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Yes. 12:20


1 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Centennial Farms gets over

2 100,000 students a year.

3 MS. GAUNCE: Does the school district call up or

4 does someone here call the schools and invite them?

5 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: I'm going to look over here 12:20

6 because I think it goes all ways.

7 MS. KRAMER: If I may, we're very fortunate with the

8 Centennial Farm program because it's so robust. The

9 minute we put that application online, it's sold out

10 completely. So that's a back and forth. 12:20

11 We partner with the state level AG in the

12 classroom so there's a lot of partners. The City of

13 Costa Mesa helps us push out programming in their recs

14 on some of those levels.

15 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: As you're going on that, we had a 12:21

16 situation last year that we tried to reach out to a

17 school and we wanted to pay for the busing or something.

18 MS. KRAMER: During Imaginology, correct.

19 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: What happened?

20 MS. KRAMER: I would call human it error and 12:21

21 somebody dropped the ball and -- yeah, we were -- but

22 this year we're doing that with the fair. We've

23 allocated -- the board approved that $10,000 going out

24 with that bus and bringing kids to the fair.

25 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: So that situation got resolved? 12:21


1 MS. KRAMER: Yes.

2 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: You're probably going to get

3 Evan sometime in April, so I'll give you a fair warning.

4 My five-year-old grandson. You know his name. You'll

5 get along well. 12:21

6 MR. FRAPWELL: K-8? K-12? K-14?

7 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: I think elementary primarily for

8 Centennial Farms. But with Heroes Hall it will be the

9 11th graders throughout Orange County.

10 MS. GAUNCE: What other partners do you have that 12:22

11 are actively involved with using your facilities?

12 Groups, community groups, community organizations.

13 DIRECTOR TRACZYK: The farmers markets.

14 MS. KRAMER: If I may, Farm Bureau does -- the

15 Farmer's Market we do on Thursdays and it's limited to 12:22

16 the organic farmers. In doing that, we have Farm Bureau

17 from that standpoint. We work with the Extension Office

18 extensively, no pun there.

19 We talked earlier that the classes that we do

20 at Centennial Farm show that's one of the organizations 12:22

21 that helps provide the curriculum and the instructors on

22 those.

23 By the way, those are very popular. Those sell

24 out very quickly, too, so there's certainly expansion

25 opportunities there. 12:22


1 MR. FRAPWELL: Adult education?

2 MS. KRAMER: That's more adult. And it's very much

3 hands on as you -- yeah.

4 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Can we give them a list of all of

5 the events that we put on last year? 12:22

6 MS. KRAMER: That we host here?

7 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: That we host here so they can get

8 an overall view of the mix.

9 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: I believe we have that. We've

10 actually analyzed it and summarized it. I don't 12:23

11 necessarily want to take time here, but I think we have

12 an understanding of your --

13 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: I just wanted to make sure you

14 had that.

15 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: I don't think we have 12:23

16 sufficiently yet and I think we'll have to work

17 management and team when we have our workshop with them

18 to understand your foundations and your sponsorships and

19 things of that nature.

20 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Yeah. You've got to go back to 12:23

21 the bottom floor and see what's there. I mean, from the

22 food trucks that are here to the -- you know, you

23 mentioned the other things, so you need to know

24 everything that takes place.

25 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: I would be remiss if I 12:23


1 don't talk about the -- inclusion.

2 2.7 percent of orange County's population is

3 Black and that's on the rise. 1.7. So I want us to be

4 inclusive and not exclusive so when you reach out to the

5 community, just because you're a small portion doesn't 12:24

6 mean you're excluded. I want to make sure that that is

7 a part of the plan.

8 It also draws the other areas in because you

9 may not have that population here that you can pull in

10 from other areas as well. So I just want to make sure 12:24

11 the inclusion part of that is a part of it.

12 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: And how -- is there an issue

13 with that or is it -- is it being satisfactory?

14 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: There is an issue in

15 Orange County with the African American community that 12:24

16 -- I mean, it's huge issues that's existed for a very,

17 very long time because of the small size. NAACP here is

18 small.

19 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Then you have the five or

20 six organizations in Orange County and those things are 12:24

21 on the rise, and this is a place to come have fun and no

22 one should be excluded from being able to come here and

23 have a good time.

24 MS. GAUNCE: Can I ask: In an inclusive manner, is

25 that who we're reaching out to? Programs we have, 12:25


1 events we have?

2 MR. FRAPWELL: That's going to jump all the way to

3 facilities.

4 MS. GAUNCE: Yes.

5 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: All of the above. 12:25

6 MS. GAUNCE: Okay. I don't want to assume, so --

7 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: So, you know, from the food

8 that we have on site, maybe expanding that.

9 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: So you have a city day during

10 the fair. Is there a cultural day or diversity days 12:25

11 that happen?

12 DIRECTOR RUIZ: Not a bad idea.

13 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: The artists that we bring?

14 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: It's not our job to throw

15 stuff out. We're here to listen. 12:25

16 DIRECTOR RUIZ: That would be great to have at the

17 fair. Food, entertainment and all that stuff.

18 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I just want to get back to

19 basics.

20 So the property is 17,000 acres; is that right? 12:26

21 MS. KRAMER: 150 acres.

22 MR. FRAPWELL: Big fairground.

23 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: When you heard the list of

24 community partners, you can see that we have a couple

25 that are attached to the farm and the Farm Bureau and 12:26


1 such, but you can see virtually nonexistent. I mean, we

2 virtually have -- I mean, for a place this size, we

3 virtually are -- are virtually nonexistent.

4 MR. FRAPWELL: Virtually unknown.

5 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: We're virtually not a community 12:26

6 resource except for a very specified avenue. So the

7 policy shift that I keep talking about is, you know,

8 changing that -- and this is our chance to do it.

9 Because they only do this every five years is, as a

10 board, I think, you know, some of these issues we need 12:26

11 to assess.

12 But are we going to make that policy shift to

13 now say no, it's not going to be virtually none. We're

14 going to have a lot of community property and community

15 partners to address this. We have the facilities -- I 12:27

16 think we have the facilities to house them.

17 MS. GAUNCE: Great segue. We're about to move into

18 facilities here. It's a context here.

19 MS. SHREEVE: Keep in mind, I feel like I need a

20 little bit of a definition. Talk about public space and 12:27

21 community space, and what do you mean by that? Do you

22 mean buildings or spaces?

23 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: No, just the whole -- the

24 plant. We have 100 some thousand acres.

25 MS. KRAMER: 150-. 12:27


1 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: 115?

2 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: 5-0. 1-5-0.

3 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: We've got a shit load of acres.

4 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: That's a great way to put it.

5 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: That's the answer. 12:28

6 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Also, there's only so much

7 we can do. There's only so much parking we can have.

8 There's only so many --

9 MS. FRAPWELL: We're going to get to that.

10 MS. SHREEVE: I just want to make sure that we 12:28

11 continue to think about what is public space and what is

12 community space, because that ties into -- it's a good

13 segue into the discussion about facility because you're

14 absolutely right.

15 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: So I want to add one little 12:28

16 facility to extract some information.

17 Colleges. We work a lot in colleges. And, you

18 know, they have a -- giving groups. They have a

19 foundation and then they have people that actually

20 generate funds and sponsorships, and I know you do that 12:28

21 already for your fair. That's part of the economics for

22 your fair. But how about the fairgrounds itself? Is

23 there a function that happens here to get commercial

24 sponsors, insurance companies, and things of that nature

25 to kind of stimulate investment and, you know, provide 12:29


1 some resources?

2 MS. SHREEVE: That's naming events and facilities,

3 things like that.

4 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: That's a staff question.

5 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: We have a number of sponsors 12:29

6 that, you know, the Toyota summer concert sort of thing,

7 so we have a number of sponsors that are there.

8 Can it be expanded? Obviously. You know, I mean,

9 that's an opportunity, I think.

10 MS. KRAMER: We actually changed the sponsorship 12:29

11 direction to be more global. Hence, that we'll be ready

12 to announce some major sponsors with Imaginology that

13 we've never had. That event is coming to its own. And

14 also getting them to think about it year round so they

15 can own assets. They'd love to find someone to -- the 12:29

16 right partner to be -- their name at Centennial Farm

17 year round, so we're aware of that in the global

18 picture.

19 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Is that part of the shift that

20 Nick was speaking of, that you've kind of taken that 12:29

21 frame of reference rather than --

22 MS. KRAMER: Yes.

23 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Well, now that we have the ship

24 built and staff, that's how we're able to start

25 developing those other areas that haven't been developed 12:30


1 as properly as they should have been.

2 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: We recognize that. It takes

3 time.

4 MS. GAUNCE: So to summarize everything we just

5 talked about, I'd like to ask you for one, maybe two 12:30

6 words, max, back to that first question.

7 What's your purpose?

8 I'm going to write it down and have it on a

9 board here to keep remembering as we go through. Start

10 at one end and go over. Robert and Doug. 12:30

11 DIRECTOR RUIZ: Entertainment.

12 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Educate, serve.

13 MS. GAUNCE: Hold on. These are great.

14 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Those are my two.

15 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Those are my two. 12:30

16 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Those are Stan's two.

17 MS. GAUNCE: You can share. We have doubles here.

18 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I'd say community service and

19 integration.

20 MR. FRAPWELL: You mean integration within the 12:31

21 community?


23 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Everybody's giving more

24 than one.

25 MS. GAUNCE: Maybe two, three or four. 12:31


1 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: So public, agriculture, and

2 joy.

3 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Can you put joy/fun?

4 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: No. It's not your thing.

5 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: It's Barbara's turn. 12:31

6 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Barbara and I share.

7 MS. GAUNCE: Sandra?

8 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: I have educate and serve.

9 MS. GAUNCE: My back was turned.

10 Everybody give me some? 12:31

11 All right. So if we start thinking more about

12 facilities, your facilities are everything from the

13 growing ground at the farms, to the building, to the

14 parking lot, to the pathways, to the open space. So

15 what currently supports or restricts the opportunities 12:32

16 here?

17 MR. FRAPWELL: So if this is your vision.

18 MS. GAUNCE: It's messy.

19 MR. FRAPWELL: What in the way of facilities

20 currently support that or you need help to help you get 12:32

21 there?

22 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Parking.

23 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Parking is one. I think in

24 terms of -- I think parking can be discouraging for

25 people attending. 12:32


1 MR. FRAPWELL: Attending the fair? Attending the

2 events?

3 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Attending the fair primarily.

4 So that is, you know, one facility problem that I see.

5 I think -- 12:33

6 MS. SHREEVE: It's your today's land use by far.

7 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: It is. And it has to be. You

8 know, it's kind of -- unless there's -- we've tried to

9 engage in putting in tiered parking, you know, like

10 structures but doesn't get very far because of all kinds 12:33

11 of other problems.

12 MR. FRAPWELL: So if we go back to the parking, is

13 it amount? Is it access or organization of it?

14 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I think it's amount. I think

15 given the large amount of usage, it's wonderful to see 12:33

16 the great job that the staff does in managing ingress

17 and egress, flow, those kinds of things. Superior job,

18 given the restrictions, but the parking is one.

19 The other thing is the grounds -- I mean,

20 really, it's like a -- the outside just looks marvelous. 12:34

21 They've done such a wonderful job and that goes to the

22 board before us that really worked on the outside of

23 the --

24 MR. FRAPWELL: Are you talking about the edge of the

25 community? 12:34


1 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Yes. Walk through the

2 interior, I mean, it looks pretty shabby, you know.

3 And, you know, like you can see grass needs to be

4 replanted, you know, I would guess. Then of course,

5 keeping it green is a big challenge. There's probably 12:34

6 some asphalt things in the interior that need to be

7 taken into account and replaced.

8 But I mean, if you look through the interior, a

9 lot of work can be done to beautify it in a way -- I

10 don't think it would be expensive, but a lot can be 12:35

11 done.

12 And we also need to do something about --

13 particularly during fair time when we have all the

14 vendors move in their RVs into the dirt lot there. I

15 mean, that's embarrassing to me. I brought somebody -- 12:35

16 I actually brought an elected official through there and

17 he was like on my case. You scream at us for density

18 and blah, blah, blah, look at this. And it is. I mean,

19 so there's things we can do to make that look better.

20 I don't know. Maybe just take out the dirt, just 12:35

21 asphalt it off so it's kept clean.

22 And that's the other thing. Is there a way to

23 beautify that, those portions of the fairground I think

24 would be helpful.

25 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Makes an excellent point. I 12:35


1 think he's absolutely right on, on that. And I think

2 while the existing facilities provide opportunities,

3 they also provide constraints. If we had a clean sheet

4 of paper and we're starting over on 150 acres, a lot of

5 different ways that's been done. 12:36

6 So things you can do to enhance what we already

7 have without starting all over again, but one of the

8 things that I think is -- that I'd like to see happen,

9 and I know Charles and Keith have got a lot of

10 experience with other fairs in other places. Staff does 12:36

11 an outstanding job with the resources we have, the

12 facilities we have.

13 Are there some things we could do through this

14 master planning process that will enhance and make it

15 even a better experience? 12:36

16 You know, as Barbara says, fair in the summer,

17 that's -- you know, that's what brings in all of the

18 money we need to make all the other things happen. So

19 are there some things we can do that other fairs and

20 other areas are doing within the constraints we have 12:37

21 that's going to enhance the experience?

22 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Because we're limited on space,

23 I'm going back to the parking --

24 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Well, if you use Nick's number,

25 it's unlimited. We have 117,000 acres. 12:37


1 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: I want to say it so you hear it

2 again, and that it goes like this.

3 The parking that we have here I think generally

4 services those other events we have throughout the year

5 without any problem. It's when we get to the fair. 12:37

6 Now, the fair time we use facilities over at Orange

7 Coast College. We use the -- what's the other one where

8 we bus in, Hesperian. I don't know if you're familiar

9 with the off site we have.

10 MS. GAUNCE: Off site and I believe some buses are 12:37

11 working.

12 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Well, lots of buses -- we used to

13 have it right across the street years ago where there

14 are now the fields, that used to be parking and that was

15 taken away. So we lost a lot of parking over at the 12:38

16 schools that used to be there that's not there anymore.

17 Now you talk about where we have the RV parking

18 and this is the area you're talking about. That's set

19 aside. It's been for RV rentals. People can come in

20 here throughout the whole year except during the fair 12:38

21 and you can bring your RV and stay here, which I did.

22 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: There's a number out there now.

23 MS. GAUNCE: There's been a few during our tour.

24 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: It's almost a year round facility

25 and a lot of state facilities are that way. 12:38


1 So -- but then during the fair, that's where we

2 have the traveling support of a lot of the vendors.

3 They all travel around in their RVs. We have made it

4 available and it's been -- and I don't know the whole

5 process of this yet, but we've made that space available 12:38

6 to them. And it's just been kind of one of those things

7 that over the years that's been understood. There it

8 is, you do it.

9 But I think now is the time we need to take a

10 look at that because we're in this five-year plan. If 12:39

11 we were to purchase some other property off site -- I'm

12 saying theoretically here -- ten acres somewhere in the

13 area, and then we move them off site and we bring in or

14 they get bused in, now we've opened up a whole area that

15 we can use for revenue by putting in more vendors there. 12:39

16 We just changed the whole usage of our property in a big

17 way, and I think this is the time we really need to look

18 at that.

19 So we may want to look at property off site

20 because we want to get to that 17,000 acres that you 12:39

21 mentioned.

22 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Gee.

23 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: If we could pick up another 20

24 acres somewhere or 10 --

25 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Great point. 12:39


1 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: -- use that, and just flat land.

2 Another facility we used to have for the

3 vendors that we would rent has gone away and that's

4 where Ganahl Lumber is now building their -- you know

5 that lot there, our people that would put up their 12:40

6 circus up, they'd park their equipment there. We don't

7 have that anymore.

8 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: So you lost that?

9 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: As we start talking here, I start

10 remembering, there're a lot of dynamics that has changed 12:40

11 in the last several years that really impact us and in a

12 way that the general public cannot see, but we see and

13 feel. And like you said, when you bring a guest over,

14 you're walking -- you're walking through an RV park.

15 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: It's not even that. It's a 12:40

16 terribly kept RV park. I mean, I went through and

17 vendors have laundry hanging out on -- I mean, you

18 know --

19 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: It's their nature.

20 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I'm not interested in taking 12:40

21 guests on tours, here's where our vendors say, and, oh,

22 by the way, don't mind the underwear hanging everywhere

23 or something. It's got to be -- so I'm thinking if we

24 were to buy property or in the meantime can we asphalt

25 it and then you put some kind of fencing around it. 12:41


1 And then, of course, we have to begin to tell

2 vendors, you know -- I mean, I drove by and this guy

3 came out of his thing, he had on his tighty-whities,

4 literally, I'm not exaggerating, and he was standing

5 there and he was doing this (indicating). 12:41

6 I'm going, what the hell do we have around

7 here? His clothes were hanging on his thing. So he

8 washed his clothes before he went to bed, got up, came

9 out in his tighty-whities, gave everybody a show, went

10 over to the clothesline, got dressed. You see? That 12:41

11 doesn't -- you know what I mean? It doesn't look

12 professionalize as an operation. So --

13 DIRECTOR RUIZ: I think the issue here, back to the

14 parking, one of the things I had about the fair is

15 getting in and out. The staff has done a great job in 12:42

16 providing outside facilities for people to park. We do

17 use the college. Eventually we're going to lose that.

18 Once the college expands, we're going to lose the

19 parking. We're back to again the parking, so I think

20 you're idea was great. 12:42

21 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Now's the time -- I'm going to

22 give you a little history, too.

23 When I came on four years, one of the board

24 members previously had the equestrian area, they

25 shut down well over a third or more of the equestrian 12:42


1 area when the fair was going because they parked a lot

2 of the RVs over there and they actually put in a sewer

3 line so they could have hook ups over there.

4 So we had an issue with the equestrian folks

5 upset because they couldn't operate during the time of 12:42

6 the fair because of the situation that took place.

7 We resolved that. That's out of there now. But it

8 created some other issues for us because we lost that

9 parking.

10 And then people were talking on previous 12:43

11 boards, which this will never happen, I want to say that

12 in that case something gets out, that, you know, get rid

13 of the equestrian area and then you've got all this

14 additional parking. Well, no. That's it up there. The

15 community, the heritage, agriculture, the horses and all 12:43

16 that, that's part of our heritage and that will never

17 happen.

18 But these are things that previous boards did

19 look at and talk about, but fortunately did not

20 implement. Part of it they did with some of the sewage 12:43

21 and things that they did and they had RVs over there.

22 So there are certain things there that I'm

23 going to say are sacred, but I think now is the time we

24 need to look beyond here and I don't know what your

25 scope is and I haven't gone through any of these before. 12:44


1 But, you know, how do I identify property that's

2 available out there? Do you do that in part of this

3 plan? Of course, what's available today may not be

4 available by the time you approve it. So, you know --

5 Ms. GAUNCE: One thing we are going to do is look at 12:44

6 samples of other fairs. Someone mentioned that for how

7 they -- every fair has this problem, that they have

8 this --

9 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Episodic --

10 MS. SHREEVE: -- how you're lucky to have a really 12:44

11 long fair, but the rest of the year you're committing a

12 lot of your land to park and that's not fully utilized.

13 Is that a good strategy? So it's a double-edged sword

14 to provide more parking and then --

15 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: The double-edged sword on parking 12:44

16 is this in my mind, is that there are -- I'm not going

17 to say the numbers, I'll let you find them, see how good

18 you are --

19 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: She's good.

20 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: -- that we can be -- we can be a 12:44

21 problem ourselves and a problem of our own success. If

22 we have too much parking, then we overflow inside here

23 (indicating), and then we lose the value of how

24 beautiful it is to be at the fair if you can't move

25 around the fair because you've got too many people. 12:45


1 MS. GAUNCE: This is what I'm kind of fascinated

2 with on this fairground.

3 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Yes. We have this balance, so we

4 can't overdo it. If, you know, we have all this

5 additional space for parking, we're not going to have 12:45

6 space for people.

7 MS. SHREEVE: Let me show you an analysis we did

8 here. It's a little bit light. I'll bring it closer.

9 So what we did is we're trying to get a handle

10 on parking utilization and we don't -- there's no 12:45

11 numbers available for -- there's numbers available on

12 the total parking tickets sold per day, but not all

13 those people are on the -- are parked at the same time.

14 So what we did is we went back and we looked at

15 three years of middle of the day versus during the fair 12:46

16 and we overlaid those aerial images. And what that

17 shows is the utilization of parking in 2014, 2015 and

18 2016.

19 And it's not statistical, but it's accurate in

20 that it does overlay real information. 12:46

21 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: What your losing -- what you need

22 to lay over which is -- I'm going to say as important as

23 what you just did, is you have to lay over the

24 attendance at that same time.

25 MS. GAUNCE: Right. And the Google maps don't give 12:46


1 us that.

2 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: No. But this is what you have to

3 get here. You have to get the attendance, because even

4 though these lots may be full, you may let's just say

5 have 50,000 people here on it. It looks full. But then 12:46

6 you look at the lot is full again, and now you've got

7 89,000 people here.

8 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Because they parked off

9 site --

10 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Where did they go? How did they 12:46

11 get here? So you've got this whole dynamic that's in

12 play.

13 MS. SHREEVE: We do have the data for the fair

14 attendance by day, so we could --

15 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: You need -- see, that's the 12:47

16 hidden little thing that you've got to know about

17 because that parking lot doesn't tell you the whole

18 story. If 89,000 we're full, what happened to the rest

19 of the 40-some odd thousand?

20 MS. GAUNCE: How many people in a car are coming, 12:47

21 that's another thing.

22 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Well, the cars and then you've

23 got to look, we have the bus attendance. You have to

24 integrate all of these. Bus attendance, the cars, how

25 many, you know, Expedia -- do we have the numbers over 12:47


1 there?

2 MS. KRAMER: Numbers for?

3 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Expedia?

4 MS. KRAMER: Uh-huh, we can get all of those.

5 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: I'm just telling you, there are 12:47

6 numbers out there that you need to lay over on this to

7 get the picture because this only tells you part of it.

8 MS. SHREEVE: All we're trying to do here is look at

9 how these parking lots are utilized. The parking -- we

10 would never want to depress fair attendance. We want to 12:47

11 get as many people to the fair as possible. But there

12 are fairs --

13 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: No. That effectively -- really,

14 we have to look at that because if we get above it too

15 much -- 12:48

16 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: You don't enjoy the day.

17 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: You wouldn't want to come because

18 of the problems -- the neighbors won't like us because

19 it would be full every day. There's a sweet spot that

20 we need to look at. 12:48

21 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Finish.

22 MS. SHREEVE: So what this tells us, it shows you

23 how this is what maximum usage of the parking lot for

24 the maximum event of the year. There are a couple of

25 other times when you're using -- when you use your 12:48


1 parking lots on the marathon, right, Ken and the tent

2 festival?

3 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: OC Marathon is an all-grounds

4 event, Sam Persuda Show (phonetic) is another

5 all-grounds event and Pet Expo is another all=grounds 12:48

6 event.

7 MS. SHREEVE: So there's a few events, but let's

8 look at the fair as we know we can get that data. What

9 you see, of course, is that people park closer. They

10 don't want to walk. So there are lots of the outside 12:49

11 here that aren't -- that are vacant during the peak

12 event, because people -- this is true of all parking

13 studies. What you find is people say there is no

14 parking. Actually, there is parking. People just don't

15 want to park -- 12:49

16 MR. FRAPWELL: It's a walking problem.

17 MS. SHREEVE: It's a walking experience problem

18 because it's nasty in the heat to walk from the farthest

19 point to where you're going. You don't want to do it

20 until you circle around looking for somebody to vacate a 12:49

21 spot. This is almost always true. Almost no parking

22 lots are ever full. It's just the desirable spaces are

23 full.

24 So this kind of tells you where -- you know,

25 where the popular space is. They're going to be closer 12:49


1 and there's always going to be lots.

2 And then we started looking at major fairs like

3 Minnesota State Fair where Hannah has experience in.

4 Much more, much multiple times the attendance, less

5 parking than this. So what are their solutions? 12:49

6 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: That would be fascinating.

7 MS. SHREEVE: So we're going to bring that up to you

8 as a case study.

9 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: What people never even talk

10 about is traffic and how it impacts the neighbors. I 12:50

11 don't know what we can really do about that, but

12 Disneyland, what do they do? They commandeer the

13 freeway. That we can't do. But I think we need to make

14 sure we keep that in mind as well. Peak time heavy

15 traffic. I remember the Earth, Wind and Fire concert 12:50

16 last year, people were two hours trying get in here and

17 most of the time they were sitting on the freeway trying

18 to get off at the access points of the year. So I don't

19 know, I don't want to forget that.

20 MS. SHREEVE: The marathon is a problem, too, 12:50

21 because everybody leaves at the same time. That's the

22 problem with the most congested egress and ingress

23 events that you have.

24 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: We can expand the parking beyond

25 and obviously the physical constraints of the site. 12:50


1 Although, I really like Stan's idea of is there some

2 off-site property that we can take a look at and

3 purchase? We can look at how you get in and how you get

4 out and see if we are maximizing that ability now.

5 And one of the things that struck me when you 12:51

6 made the comment about the use of the parking space,

7 last year we had Cirque du Soleil. They were very

8 successful here. They had a successful run. First

9 couple of years I was on the board, we had a large car

10 auction. Stan remembers that and Nick remembers that. 12:51

11 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Barrett Jackson.

12 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: In our agreement with the

13 marketplace, we have the ability to get a few more

14 exclusive uses on there and I would like to see if we

15 can -- obviously, if you can bring back a 12:51

16 Barrett Jackson or something like that, that goes on the

17 revenue side of the equations, and so on and so forth.

18 MS. GAUNCE: Part of -- some of the access issues

19 when you're starting to congest the streets, you know,

20 continue to hurt the neighbors, part of that sometimes 12:52

21 is even simply signage. It doesn't solve the problem,

22 but understanding how to access the fairground, what

23 parking lot I'm going to. Sometimes you have multiple

24 events here at one time, so it's one of the things we're

25 looking at still is really kind of the whole site from 12:52


1 the outside in and how -- we call them systems, parking,

2 you know, vehicular circulation, pedestrian circulation.

3 Those are all kinds of layers that create the fabric of

4 a site. But how do those support you or how are they

5 currently maybe not supporting you. How are you going 12:52

6 in?

7 MS. SHREEVE: And once you're out of your car, so

8 you make the processional more joyful and fun and

9 pleasant so that then people don't have this problem

10 with the parking isn't -- what did you call it? It was 12:52

11 uncomfortable or it was -- parking was a negative kind

12 of feel.

13 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Circulation around is very

14 important. I probably live the closest of the fair

15 board members. I'm a mile and a half from here. And 12:53

16 during these meetings, depending on whether I hit the

17 two signals green or not, I'm here in five to seven

18 minutes. But when fair time rolls around, by the time I

19 take the route that I need to take without impacting the

20 neighborhoods and going full circle is probably 15 to 12:53

21 20 minutes to get here. So there are things I think

22 from a circulation standpoint maybe in conjunction with

23 the city, the team could look at.

24 MS. GAUNCE: It's a great idea. We'll talk about

25 parking. 12:53


1 So other than parking and access, what else --

2 what supports --

3 MR. FRAPWELL: Where are the problems?

4 MS. GAUNCE: Where are the problems from a facility

5 standpoint? 12:53

6 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: We mentioned the interior --

7 MS. GAUNCE: Right. The interior look and feel.

8 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: The age of some facilities. The

9 age of some of the buildings.

10 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: The facility needs to be 12:54

11 painted or facade change on some of them. I mean --

12 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Freshen them up a bit.

13 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: -- the side entrance here

14 (indicating), we go down Arlington, it looks like a

15 concentration camp here. It looks like a concentration 12:54

16 camp that people were pretty successful in climbing out

17 of on the barbed wire. I mean, it's unsightly.

18 And not only do I think it's unsightly, I think

19 it's also very unsafe. And I think it's only in a sense

20 that we live in this new era of security, and as we see, 12:54

21 you can't -- under the best of circumstances, you know,

22 there's no zero defect when it comes to security in the

23 world we live in. But that needs to be, I mean, cleaned

24 up, redone, new fencing.

25 MS. GAUNCE: Facelift. 12:55


1 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Something that adds to -- you

2 know, that adds --

3 MS. GAUNCE: It's a community edge.

4 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: If you drive down Arlington

5 this way (indicating), you can see -- there's just an 12:55

6 unsightly nature to the entire thing. The way the

7 buildings are maintained now -- not because staff aren't

8 doing a good job maintaining them, I mean, you know, you

9 can't put lipstick on a pig, you know, kind of thing.

10 And something -- that needs to be cleaned up. 12:55

11 MS. SHREEVE: You know there's a big -- you know

12 about the big bio spill.

13 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: I was just going to say, yeah,

14 you know about it. Okay. Good.

15 MS. SHREEVE: Yeah. 12:55

16 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Nick.

17 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: That's something you guys can

18 lateral on.

19 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: I know what's going on or is

20 starting and I don't remember exactly what changes are 12:56

21 going to be made on the look, but I think quite a bit.

22 MS. GAUNCE: The city project and it's a storm water

23 management project that's going to be going in and

24 they're on a really -- we talked to the engineers that

25 the fair's working with. It's going to go from about 12:56


1 here to about down there (indicating), and so it is

2 going to change the appearance of that edge.

3 MR. FRAPWELL: It's going to change the public end,

4 it still doesn't address your end.

5 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: It's going to help. That's part 12:56

6 of the distraction.

7 MS. SHREEVE: We can harness that into the finish.

8 MS. GAUNCE: Figure out what you can do on your own

9 property.

10 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Then in addition to that, we 12:56

11 have the rodeo thing.

12 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Sports arena.

13 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I don't know. I mean, I don't

14 know how the appearance of that is, but -- or whether or

15 not that needs work. I'm not familiar with what rodeo 12:57

16 places do, so that's something to look at. I don't

17 know. The answer may come out as probably fine.

18 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: You all have taken a peek at

19 it and got ready to comment on it, but you have to --

20 MR. FRAPWELL: We can take a look at it. 12:57

21 The thing that I'm hearing are things about

22 tired facilities, facilities that need updating visually

23 and -- which does change the appearance of both the

24 community as well as the people inside.

25 MS. GAUNCE: What about size? 12:57


1 MR. FRAPWELL: What about size? What about the

2 actual kinds of facilities you have and whether they

3 support the kinds of place --

4 MS. GAUNCE: Too small, too big.

5 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: What we were saying is the action 12:57

6 sports arena has been redone recently, the roofing,

7 painting. And that facility I'm going to say is like an

8 iconic cornerstone if you look of this facility. It's

9 been here for years and that's something from my own

10 personal perspective speaks, this is the fair, if you 12:58

11 look at that and the pictures there.

12 Now, the unsightly part of it is, do you come

13 closer to Arlington? That's where the storage

14 facilities are. That's where the -- where the animals

15 are kept, where the -- you know, where the working -- 12:58

16 MR. FRAPWELL: Exposed storage.

17 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Yeah. So that is the area --

18 that's the back side of the fair. I think you can go to

19 Del Mar and to some of the others, their front looks

20 good but when you look at the back side of Del Mar, you 12:58

21 can see --

22 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: There's always that industrial

23 side. We call back of the house.

24 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: That's what that is. It's not

25 right or wrong. It's just what it is. You need a place 12:58


1 to put that stuff, and, you know, how badly do you want

2 to cover it. I just want to make that comment.

3 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Made a very good one. The edge

4 of the facility looks very good in terms of -- except

5 for Arlington. And from my days as a planner, I like 12:59

6 landscaping. Landscaping is nice and good, but that

7 works in conflict with parking spaces.

8 Obviously, if you add landscaping, but are

9 there some things we can do in the parking areas that

10 soften the appearance. And obviously I don't want to 12:59

11 lose one parking space, by the same token, there are

12 some things we can do in terms of reconfiguring,

13 restriping.

14 MS. SHREEVE: There probably are. And I think

15 usually when we're -- I've actually worked with an 12:59

16 architect and planning and he introduced me as an urban

17 planner, but we're sort of the landscape side. So one

18 thing you've got is you have almost use of antiquated

19 storm water facilities on the site and you need to --

20 every time you do an upgrade, you're going to need to 13:00

21 address that because there's new regulations that didn't

22 exist when this fair was originally built.

23 The beautification and orientation that Megan

24 was talking about, you can do a lot with landscape and

25 then maybe some ways to make the parking more efficient 13:00


1 and maybe even make some multi-use spaces that are

2 parking sometimes, not parking other times, you know,

3 you could use for outdoor events and we'd love to hear

4 about what kind of outdoor events as well as events

5 within the buildings that could be made here. 13:00

6 So there's a range of parking solutions that

7 could help create beauty, could create shade, solve

8 storm water issues, and we like to think of them as kind

9 of an integrated approach to this item. We'll be

10 looking at ideas for that. 13:00

11 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: We're talking about the perimeter

12 and this is an issue that we made look better, but in

13 one respect -- okay. What happened was, they redid the

14 perimeter. There was a fence out there and that fence

15 helped security of this property. 13:01

16 The fence is gone, so now we have to deal with

17 a berm that anybody can walk over. Several concerns

18 that I know the swap meet and the other vendors here

19 that were not -- I'm going to say as secure as I would

20 like us to be because we have exposure there, and not 13:01

21 only do we have exposure there for our people that are

22 here, but I'm concerned of the future of homeless people

23 starting to arrive at this facility and facing that

24 situation.

25 I'm almost afraid to say that, but I did. We 13:01


1 have no means right now, we used to, this facility was

2 -- I don't want to say gated, but it had fencing. It

3 has no fencing.

4 MS. GAUNCE: Should public be able to come on at any

5 time or are you driving on -- or are you entering for a 13:02

6 specific use, meaning I'm going to the farm today?

7 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Well, I'm saying that when we

8 close, whatever time that is, that right now we're not

9 here or --

10 MS. GAUNCE: Night, for instance. 13:02

11 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: That side is totally exposed 24

12 hours a day for someone coming in and doing whatever

13 they want to do. We have no means of securing that

14 right now.

15 MS. SHREEVE: And do you want to secure it? It 13:02

16 raises the question, do you want to secure it? Do you

17 want to have a fairgrounds that's only accessible when

18 someone comes to an event? I actually saw a guy

19 teaching his dog how to ride a skateboard the other

20 night. 13:02

21 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: This is why I'm bringing it up.

22 This is the time to discuss it. We have to know that we

23 have exposure in certain areas and whether we want to

24 accept that exposure or we want to address it.

25 MS. SHREEVE: If the dog gets hurt riding the 13:03


1 skateboard --

2 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Well, then guess who's going to

3 -- again, it's the liability. They had it fenced for

4 many years, but when they redid the berm or redid the

5 facility that looks like -- I looked into the history of 13:03

6 this and found out there was a fence. And when they put

7 the berm up, they took down the fence. So now anybody

8 can come into this facility at any time, 24 hours a day

9 except for the back side here (indicating). We have

10 that covered. But the parking lot and that other -- 13:03

11 that side is exposed.

12 MS. GAUNCE: With the exception of -- so I

13 understand how the parking lot will get divided up

14 especially with marketplace and how sometimes events are

15 used, but is there a difference and since security is in 13:03

16 public edge, that there's a fence here (indicating),

17 versus a fence here (indicating)?

18 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Well, I think the attorney

19 general's here, but I think as I understand the law,

20 correct me if I'm wrong, that camping -- or let's call 13:04

21 it camping I think is the appropriate term -- that one,

22 you can only do that on property that is accessible to

23 the general public.

24 So for instance, you can go to the

25 Orange County administration building and there's a big 13:04


1 plaza there and that's full of homeless people, because

2 that plaza is accessible to the public. But they can't

3 go inside and -- but once a building's closed and once

4 the access to the public is no longer allowable, then

5 you don't have any access to it. 13:04

6 And the problems come in that with the homeless

7 thing, what you're talking about, there are plazas that

8 are open access to the public 24 hours a day, and so you

9 have people who are camping out in them because they're

10 accessible. 13:05

11 Ours -- I don't know, Josh, ours is not -- this

12 is not -- although a public facility, there's only

13 access during certain parts of the day and the rest of

14 the day it is closed off. There is no public access.

15 And that includes -- Josh, am I correct, that includes 13:05

16 the entire perimeter?

17 Once we close it, it's just like downtown

18 Santa Ana. Their problems are people are camping in the

19 plaza. You go to the Orange County Courthouse, that's

20 now tent city people. 13:05

21 MS. SHREEVE: You're saying if you close this gate

22 (indicating) --

23 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Once we close that gate, it's

24 closed off.

25 MS. SHREEVE: -- then the fairground is closed and 13:06


1 people shouldn't legally be able to camp there.

2 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: We can have them removed.

3 MR. SHREEVE: So then you don't have to police it,

4 you have to monitor it.

5 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: That's the case now. 13:06

6 MS. GAUNCE: So they can physically access it, but

7 that there is -- you have the legal ability to remove

8 them.

9 MR. FRAPWELL: Does that further limit your

10 liability? 13:06

11 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I don't know. That's a

12 liability issue.

13 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: The only thing the fence would do

14 would be make it more difficult for someone to come

15 through. But if someone were to go in and if we were to 13:06

16 close that front gate legally, Josh, we can have them

17 removed from the property?

18 MR. CAPLAN: Yeah. The property's not open to the

19 general -- if it's a time when it's not open to the

20 general public and folks are on here, they're on the 13:06

21 property without permission.

22 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Okay. You put my mind at ease.

23 I wasn't sure how that played out. That was a concern I

24 had.

25 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Now, the interesting part, 13:06


1 Stan, is on the outside of that median which is city

2 property. The parts that are city property that are

3 fully accessible, it's not our -- we couldn't control it

4 anyway.

5 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Something, you know how 13:07

6 when you go to Disneyland, you know you're there because

7 you see the Materhorn. When the fair's going on, you

8 know you're here because there is a big giant ferris

9 wheel. What's that one thing you put on this property

10 when you're here, you know you're at this property. 13:07

11 MS. GAUNCE: Your icon.

12 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: What's our icon?

13 MS. GAUNCE: What should it be?

14 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Last time I checked you had a

15 giant cow out there. 13:07

16 MS. GAUNCE: You've got a cow.

17 MR. FRAPWELL: That's the icon, Nick. Where is this

18 icon?

19 MS. GAUNCE: When you approach it from your parking

20 space, you probably didn't see it. You get closer, you 13:07

21 get discover it, so it's a process.

22 MS. GAUNCE: Also, at Disneyland, they set the stage

23 before you actually park your car. All of a sudden

24 signage around the streets start changing. You see some

25 advertisements. The sidewalk might be a slightly 13:08


1 different texture or color, the pavement, the street

2 image itself, the language, the trees, the landscaping,

3 the shrubbery. It's all of a sudden you know you're

4 getting closer. As a kid that's what -- the

5 anticipation is killing you at that point, then boom, 13:08

6 Materhorn, we're there.

7 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: I've got to ask my question.

8 Jeff, from back there, are you experiencing in

9 regards to security?

10 JEFF: Significantly. 13:08

11 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Oh, you are? Tell me.

12 JEFF: Homeless folks that have decided to take up

13 residence in various facilities or assets that we have

14 around property.

15 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: On site, Jeff, here? 13:08

16 JEFF: On site, yes.

17 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Here beyond the gate?

18 JEFF: Yes. Theft, vandalism, it's become a

19 significant problem for us over the past -- well, since

20 the removal of the fence. And although, I would agree 13:09

21 that the chain-link fence with the barbed wire is a very

22 unappealing look, something maybe with a hybrid of a

23 landscape and maybe a wrought iron fence that would

24 distinguish and designate that this is, again, a

25 contained facility and not basically kind of an open 13:09


1 campus, which is what -- like I said, it now has

2 somewhat -- at least in the public's perception I think

3 it's perceived as --

4 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Is it a park or a business?

5 That's the language. 13:09

6 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Is this a regular recurring

7 situation?

8 JEFF: Yes. And the frequency is becoming more and

9 more.

10 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Jeff, when was the fence 13:09

11 removed?

12 JEFF: The fence was removed I want to say probably

13 -- when did they do -- you might be able to speak to

14 this -- the last master plan. It was one of the

15 elements of that. So almost probably seven, eight years 13:09

16 ago. 2008. So about eight -- seven, eight years ago.

17 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Do you think a lot of things

18 that are esthetically pleasing, wrought iron fencing,

19 et cetera, et cetera that secures the site but doesn't

20 give it that chain link -- 13:10

21 MS. GAUNCE: Sense of security.

22 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: There's a lot of products out

23 there.

24 MS. SHREEVE: You can do a nice fence that's not

25 that much more -- and then you have a little bit more of 13:10


1 a stronger image. You can also think about having some

2 uses on your edges, some built uses, some buildings.

3 It's not -- you know, we maybe throwing out stuff to you

4 as we go on that you might not like, but we're going to

5 throw it out there anyway. If you have -- depending on 13:10

6 what Charlie comes up with.

7 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: We don't know where the

8 boundaries are yet.

9 MS. SHREEVE: If there's possibility for some mix of

10 uses, maybe some retail or something that would be 13:11

11 complementary to the fair, you know, you could have

12 buildings there. And then you have --

13 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: You know that off-site parking I

14 talked about, that's going to have to come first before

15 anything comes on. 13:11

16 MS. SHREEVE: Parking solutions, definitely.

17 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: We're maxed out on that. And

18 that's why the quick thing is removing that RV facility,

19 that and putting it off-site somewhere else opens up all

20 of that property, and I'm going to be sharing with you 13:11

21 my thoughts. But the whole board here of thoughts, to

22 put any structures on the parking facility would not be

23 able to be done because we're so maxed out on parking

24 right now. If you take away space, you're going to have

25 to pick up double that outside. 13:11


1 MS. SHREEVE: I hear you. You have to soften the

2 parking for the --

3 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: And I say double because you've

4 got people in the morning and in the afternoon. See,

5 once you take that away, you've got a couple of cycles 13:11

6 of people that come in and park. It's just not ten

7 spaces one time. It's ten space three times.

8 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: We may be able to do some

9 advertising opportunities, the billboard, for example,

10 on the freeway area there. That's ours and we generate 13:12

11 revenue off of that. Not that I'm a big fan of

12 billboards necessarily, but there might be some

13 sponsorship things that we can do along the frontage

14 there that might be tasteful, but yet, beneficial from a

15 revenue standpoint. 13:12

16 MS. GAUNCE: If we move back to facilities for a

17 second. We talked about them needing some paint or

18 being a little tired. What about from an opportunity

19 standpoint from what you can do beyond what you're doing

20 now, how are they maybe limiting you? How are the 13:12

21 facilities limiting you?

22 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: I'll give you an example. I

23 talked with the Barrett Jackson people last year in

24 Las Vegas -- what's his name, first name, anyway, the

25 main guy -- and I said hello to him. He remembered I 13:13


1 was one of the board members. I said we'd sure like to

2 get you back at the OC Fair. He said we'd like to come

3 back, but he says, we can't come back. And he said the

4 reason we can't come back is because you don't have any

5 clearance structures that we could bring our facility 13:13

6 to. We can't afford to bring the tents there anymore

7 because it's too expensive. It doesn't make sense for

8 us.

9 Now, in Arizona, they're very full realm. And

10 if you follow their model, what they've done is they've 13:13

11 gone from tenting to when they go to Las Vegas, it's all

12 in the inside. They go to Florida, it's all inside the

13 facility.

14 MS. GAUNCE: So you don't have a large facility?

15 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: We don't have a large enough 13:13

16 facility, again, to bring back someone like that. They

17 would like to, but then again, you've got to look what

18 size facility do you need to build in order to create

19 that? I know some of the car shows -- and I'm just

20 specifically talking about that type of venue -- have 13:14

21 gone to the Anaheim Convention Center. Some of the

22 others have gone there and that's a pretty big venue.

23 I don't think we're looking to compete with

24 that, but that's part of the problem --

25 MS. GAUNCE: Okay. 13:14


1 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: -- is that we've got some

2 facilities, they are older. They're working for what we

3 have, but if we want to go to the next level, how far do

4 we have to go to be competitive with that market? I

5 don't have an answer to that. 13:14

6 MS. GAUNCE: Charlie, he's good at that kind of

7 stuff.

8 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: That's worth looking at.

9 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: If we do make that jump, how big

10 a jump do we have to make? 13:14

11 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: I would say there are break

12 points of 50-, 100-, 150-, 200,000, plus or minus,

13 square feet. Then, you know, there's a need to have

14 concourse space. Those are all the things that we'll be

15 thinking about when we look at the demand, what's 13:15

16 missing, what kind of opportunities exist for that, and

17 you know, what kind of competition's in the area.

18 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: If you build it, will they come?

19 And how big do you have to be to get them here?

20 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: And I think another question 13:15

21 is, can we serve markets here already better, if we had

22 this type of facility? I think some events would be

23 organized differently if, you know, they had an inside

24 venue.

25 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: If money wasn't an issue, 13:15


1 yeah. I'd have the futuristic parking where you drive

2 up and they would take your car down. And you just

3 stand right there and your car goes away and you come

4 back. If money wasn't an issue, that could be something

5 that would be really fantastic. 13:15

6 MS. GAUNCE: Does that just simply solve the parking

7 problem or is that because you want to build more and do

8 more?

9 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Build more, do more. I

10 have more space to do the fun. 13:16

11 MS. GAUNCE: We solved parking. What more -- what's

12 the fun part? What more are we bringing on? So we got

13 a big car show we want to bring back on, what other

14 types of things?

15 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: I'm always focused on the 13:16

16 fair. I'm sorry, I'm a fair girl. I haven't thought

17 about it and now I'm going to think about it. What

18 would I bring on to the fair that if I had the space,

19 what would I do that we're not currently doing? I'll

20 start thinking. 13:16

21 MS. GAUNCE: How would you improve some of the

22 facilities you have now or some of the facilities

23 undersized or like are we serving things in a better

24 manner? Are we expanding? Is something being used --

25 what might you say the highest and best use of the 13:16


1 facilities are? Are we really maximizing the assets

2 that we have during fair throughout the year?

3 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: We will have the new

4 relationship with the symphony. They'll be joining us

5 and there's going to be more events there. All of that 13:17

6 kind of expands the opportunity.

7 MS. GAUNCE: Is that part of the pre-fair or is that

8 during the fair?

9 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: It will be pre-fair, during the

10 fair and after the fair. 13:17

11 MS. GAUNCE: Wonderful.

12 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Back to Stan's point, I remember

13 on the Barrett Jackson -- correct me if I'm wrong, Stan

14 -- but I think they came in late May or early June and

15 then the fair was like a month later, but I think they 13:17

16 set up -- didn't they set up the aerial tramway and all

17 that sort of thing, Barrett Jackson?

18 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: No. That's ours.

19 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: I thought it came in a little

20 earlier when Barrett Jackson was here. 13:17

21 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Jeff, I'm going to look to you

22 for memory.

23 JEFF: RCS brought that in.

24 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Earlier, didn't they, Jeff?

25 JEFF: Yeah, prior. And it was left up after 13:17


1 Barrett Jackson to service the summer fair. So it was

2 an early install in order to add a greater sense of

3 happening.

4 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Then again, I don't know what --

5 how big a facility we would have to build for them to 13:18

6 want to come back.

7 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: It's a cost benefit analysis.

8 Charles will do that one.

9 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Absolutely. That's exactly

10 what we're doing. 13:18

11 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: So if I go back to

12 entertainment and I look at the Pac Am Theater, there's

13 only 700 seats. There's only so many artists I can

14 bring there. I can't bring Beyonce because there's not

15 enough seats in there to make it worth her to come; 13:18

16 right?

17 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: No way you can afford the

18 artistry.

19 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: And you think about

20 out-of-the-box thinking, seeing the other boxes, maybe 13:18

21 entertainment, more entertainment space, more use --

22 okay. You're going to make a mint when you can bring

23 somebody to be here but you don't have the facility to

24 do it.

25 MS. GAUNCE: What other types of buildings or builds 13:18


1 you want like a bigger expo hall? What about the

2 exhibition and gathering halls?

3 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I think that exhibition halls

4 and we have the big hanger and the other things. I

5 don't know. I think given the space we have available 13:19

6 and because we're always fighting and struggling for

7 space, I don't know if we could. You know, maybe

8 there's a reconfiguration like Stan and someone is

9 talking about that you reconfigure. You put them all

10 together, you know, like the Anaheim Convention Center, 13:19

11 you know, and you've got -- you put them all together,

12 right, and then you wall them off and then you have

13 separate exhibition halls.

14 But then if you wanted to have this huge kind

15 of event, you take all the walls down and you have this 13:19

16 big huge area. I don't know, but seems like it's a

17 space issue.

18 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: There's another person I'd like

19 to talk to -- you guys to talk to is Spectra. We've had

20 some preliminary discussions with them in regards to -- 13:20

21 what's the type of facility, Jeff? What is it called?

22 Kind of a --

23 MS. KRAMER: It was an agroplex, a multi-purpose

24 building.

25 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Yeah. A multi-purpose building. 13:20


1 Thank you, Kathy.

2 This would be the time to talk about that

3 because this is that planning time and this is the time

4 that we would want to talk about with them also to see

5 if they would want to participate in frankly building 13:20

6 it, that -- so I'm on the contract negotiating committee

7 and this falls right into Nick and my wheelhouse that

8 this is the time that if they wanted to get involved

9 with something like that, we need to find out and then

10 we can start dialogue and see what their participation 13:21

11 would be and what their financial impact would be on us

12 for that.

13 MS. SHREEVE: And you would put that somewhere --

14 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Preliminarily the berm. You

15 could put a facility kind of in the corner where we had 13:21

16 our tent -- she left -- let me get my bearings -- no,

17 no, on the other side, up there with the green dot is,

18 yeah, that's our administrative. Yeah, up in the berm

19 and all that, right over here (indicating).

20 MS. GAUNCE: Oh, in the Pacific Amphitheater? 13:21

21 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: No, no. It could overlook, in

22 other words --

23 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: No. The other side.


25 MS. SHREEVE: Other side of the berm. 13:21


1 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: So you're taking right now space

2 that has nothing on it but a berm and you'll be building

3 a building on the facility. And I've seen some

4 preliminary drawings and you're looking into the

5 amphitheater. We have a great setting there right now 13:22

6 with the entrance and we've had parties there. This

7 could be a facility -- again, well, the multi use would

8 be this.

9 During the fair, you can have VIP seating up

10 on -- just letting my juices flow -- up on a balcony 13:22

11 looking out over the concert and having people to buy

12 opportunity VIP seating there to watch the concerts. Or

13 rent out the whole thing for a huge corporation and away

14 you go. So this would be a multi-purpose facility

15 throughout the year, then you can rent it out for 13:22

16 whatever you can rent it out for.

17 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: The purpose of the berm was

18 to do what?

19 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: It was the sound.

20 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: But the buildings could do 13:23

21 that.

22 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Yeah. The buildings could do the

23 same, could be designed --

24 MS. GAUNCE: From a mitigation standpoint, you'd

25 have to be able to recognize what the concern was, what 13:23


1 the berm was solving and then how -- are you going to

2 continue to improve upon that?


4 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: We've got a certain amount of

5 land back. I think it was three acres, four acres, when 13:23

6 the berm was cut back, so now we have that additional

7 asset there that we can look at.

8 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: It's kind of doing what Barbara

9 said, we're going up on what we have. Again, it's

10 conversation. This would be the time to talk to them 13:23

11 and Spectra and group to bring them to the table and see

12 how interested they are.

13 JEFF: Stakeholder group.

14 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: They're all great. We're right

15 on site with you there, Stan. 13:23

16 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: That will be in the next

17 month.

18 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Back to Barbara's thought, and I

19 agree with her completely, the fair is the thing we do

20 each year. We have a great operator in terms of great 13:24

21 Carmack shows. Is there anything we could do in

22 conjunction them that might bring some year-round fair

23 experience on a limited basis?

24 The ferris wheel goes away and everything goes

25 down, is there something that would make economic sense 13:24


1 with them as an operator that we could do that could

2 enhance bringing people into the facility on a

3 year-round basis that would correspondingly help the

4 marketplace?

5 MR. KARNS: They're -- 13:24

6 MR. FRAPWELL: That's another one that we can bring

7 back to the stakeholder.

8 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: We can build our own high roller.

9 You look at me like, what? What is that? That's the

10 name of the Las Vegas new ferris wheel. It's called a 13:25

11 high roller. High, rolls and --

12 MS. GAUNCE: Vegas.

13 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: -- and that's way beyond our

14 financial ability right now.

15 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: I've seen it because I go by it 13:25

16 once a week to go to the kids' house. We watch the

17 grandkids, but in Irvine, off of Sand Canyon, there's

18 the horse show that they have there. They're like two

19 months down tearing down. Here in spring, here in the

20 fall. I don't know. Is there any potential interest 13:25

21 for something like that? That kind of falls into the

22 Cirque du Soleil and that sort of thing.

23 MS. GAUNCE: You've got land.

24 We're going to take a break for about five

25 minutes. 13:25


1 (Off the record from 1:25 p.m. to 1:26 p.m.)

2 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Something to maybe to that

3 community outreach thing. A kids' park, something, a

4 safe place to bring families, especially low income

5 families to give them something to do on weekends or 13:26

6 something of that nature.

7 MS. GAUNCE: What might -- the park meaning play

8 equipment, picnic-type space?

9 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Someplace that kids can

10 come, like I said, bring families for low income where 13:26

11 there's not really a cost, if you will, but they can

12 come and have fun and enjoy themselves on the property.

13 MS. GAUNCE: Are they coming and also visiting some

14 of the current assets that you have like the farm or is

15 it a different type of spot? 13:26

16 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: It's a different activity.

17 You know how they have these Gymboree-type places and

18 they take a kid, the parents need to get the kid out.

19 MS. GAUNCE: Ski jump, trampoline.

20 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Trampoline, something like 13:26

21 that, this could be the gathering place to bring kids, a

22 safe place to bring them, an outlet.

23 MS. SHREEVE: That's what I was trying to get at,

24 public spaces. We've done fairgrounds where there's

25 outreach and what we got back from people is they wanted 13:27


1 it to be a park. That's all they wanted. City works

2 together. The city wasn't so happy. They didn't want

3 another park, but that's what people wanted was a park.

4 Is that what you mean when you say community space?

5 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: This is free flow here thought, 13:27

6 so all these thoughts I think are good. I was thinking

7 when I say community space, was community service type

8 spaces, public land.

9 And I think in some sense that as we go through

10 this process, that it's important that the board has 13:28

11 adopted a policy direction in terms of what we want to

12 see over the next five years, what's going to be a

13 policy. And so as we talked about this, it's important,

14 what I don't want to happen is the board saying, look,

15 our policy direction is more accessible public use, 13:28

16 public space, you know. That's what, you know, we want

17 it to be.

18 So often between boards and appointed officials

19 like ourselves and elected officials, staff would look

20 at that and go, that's -- it's their business. This is 13:28

21 what they do for a living. They know -- like we all

22 know city managers know more than council; right?

23 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Some, maybe. Never happens.

24 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: But I want to be sure the staff

25 because when they have their break out, they're thinking 13:29


1 in the same direction we're thinking. So it's very

2 clear that, hey, when Kathy and those people meet staff,

3 we want to do this thing and we're going to have this

4 kind of thing, we think this. We would be in the nature

5 of the, you know, normal course of business that they 13:29

6 understand, no, that's not where this place is going.

7 This place is going into a more public service, more

8 public use.

9 Because all of us -- I mean, I was in the

10 public sector for 42 years and so, I mean -- and 13:29

11 representing employees in every city here in

12 Orange County, one way or another, every single one of

13 them, except for a few down south and then county and

14 all special districts, what happens is that boards,

15 councils come up with a policy direction and the staff 13:30

16 have their own direction because they have intimate

17 knowledge of what they're doing and then these processes

18 become a waste of money.

19 I mean, I've seen it happen a hundred times,

20 just kind of -- well, I've seen it a hundred times, been 13:30

21 through thousands of -- literally thousands of

22 consultants, so I just want to say we're spending a lot

23 of time on this. It doesn't mean anything unless policy

24 direction is translated to the executive staff.

25 Otherwise, you know, we'll come out in the end, 13:30


1 it was all fun, but different directions. I was saying

2 before the break, we can all keep that in mind. You

3 keep that in mind and everybody keeps that in mind, then

4 it's a valuable exercise.

5 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Excellent point, Nick. And I 13:30

6 think how that's addressed at least, in part, is the

7 fact that this is going to come back to the board on

8 four different occasions that benchmarks in the process,

9 so if it gets a little skewed, then we as a board have

10 an opportunity to say -- 13:31

11 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Straighten out.

12 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: -- let's not go that way. Let's

13 continue in this direction.

14 But you're right, it's got to be tied into what

15 we see the mission for the center. That's the charge 13:31

16 the governor's given all of us to follow through on.

17 MR. FRAPWELL: That's why we're starting here.

18 MS. GAUNCE: Let's take a ten-minute break. Keep

19 thinking about that. When we get back, we're going to

20 do a little bit of an exercise with the board and then 13:31

21 we're going to keep talking about the opportunities on

22 site, both assets and a little bit more of those

23 hindrances. We'll talk a little bit more about open

24 space.

25 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: And Megan, I want to make sure 13:31


1 we take a little bit of context because there's a park

2 on that side. There's some schools over here. What's

3 the role of this land versus the other land?

4 MS. GAUNCE: Perfect. Wonderful.

5 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Thank you. See you all in ten 13:32

6 minutes.

7 (Off the record from 1:32 p.m. to 1:46 p.m.)

8 MS. GAUNCE: So let's kind of travel forward a

9 little bit in time here, not five years, not 10 years,

10 15 years, 20 years, 30 years. Okay? We solved parking, 13:46

11 working out really, really, really well. We have all

12 the money in the world. The trees are growing, it's

13 green. What would you do to the site? What does it

14 look like? What's the vision? What more do we want to

15 see here? 13:46

16 We've talked a lot about who you serve, how we

17 can serve them better, the outreach component, what the

18 real mission is here. We talked a bit about facilities,

19 things that are maybe headaches or thorns in the heel

20 and we've started to talk a little bit about maybe 13:47

21 there's some things larger here and we're supporting and

22 doing more, but we haven't gotten to that part where

23 you're saying you're dreaming yet and you're really

24 looking forward to that vision.

25 So let's go there for a few minutes. Maybe 13:47


1 let's say for another 30 minutes.

2 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: 30 years ahead?

3 MS. GAUNCE: What does it look like? What are we

4 doing here?

5 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Well, Disneyland is shut down and 13:47

6 we're now the theme venue.

7 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: I would say we're the

8 happiest place on earth.

9 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: And we bought enough acreage to

10 get to 17,000 acres. 13:47

11 MS. GAUNCE: Happiest place on earth, you have your

12 own Materhorn. Okay.

13 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: And we paid for all the housing

14 for the neighbors so they're all taking care of and they

15 don't have any rent or mortgages and we just take care 13:48

16 of them, so it's a happy neighborhood.

17 MS. GAUNCE: Happiest place on earth.

18 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: That's how we made it that way.

19 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: I think we've maximized the

20 site. We're renting the facility out 360 days a year 13:48

21 instead of 150. We have permanent facilities that are

22 bringing in significant revenues to support IE and other

23 car show whatever the case may be.

24 One of things that I would hope in 30 years

25 from now that we have been able to set aside enough of 13:48


1 the revenues that we have generated during the course of

2 that 30 years to replace and enhance the facilities that

3 we have put into place, you go to Disneyland, obviously

4 they're a profit making venture, but Main Street looks

5 the same today as it did in 1955 when I went there as a 13:49

6 kid. And I think that's the key, is to keep it fresh

7 and keep it operating in a very efficient manner, so we

8 need take, I don't know, 10 percent -- this goes back to

9 what Charlie is going to do -- percentage of the

10 revenues we generate, we need to put into an endowment, 13:49

11 keep it going.

12 MS. GAUNCE: Maintenance.

13 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: And I appreciate trying to go

14 through the 30 years ahead, but my thinking today, I

15 could give you an answer, I want to talk to the vendors 13:49

16 that are here at the fair to see -- and ask them that

17 question. Where do they see their industry going? You

18 know, where does our RSCS industry going? Where do the

19 vendors and the food people see it going?

20 I think for them to go five or ten years ahead 13:50

21 would be challenging. So in order to me to build my

22 future, I want to talk to the people that I'm building

23 it with because that certainly would have an impact on

24 where I would go and how I would do it.

25 MR. FRAPWELL: That's great. As we go to 13:50


1 stakeholder meeting, we'll be sure to ask those

2 questions.

3 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Because that definitely could

4 impact. They're the ones that are here. They're the

5 ones that are a big part of the OC Fair. We understand 13:50

6 that. We have control of that. But we don't really

7 have control of them and their market -- not market, but

8 their --

9 MS. GAUNCE: They're evolving and they're shifting

10 and changing as well. 13:50

11 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Now we're going healthy, you

12 know, and maybe in 30 years all you can get is

13 vegetables and fruit and fried food is not even

14 available.

15 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Unless it's wrapped in bacon. 13:51

16 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Go to sleep on that one.

17 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I would like to see somewhere

18 positioned by Centennial Farm and Heroes Hall, somewhere

19 in there that there's like an educational type facility

20 building, maybe one story, two story, I don't know, but 13:51

21 somewhere that has classroom type, but I mean, all

22 portable kind of classroom type where we could have more

23 educational programs for people in the community where

24 you can use for some conference centering kind of stuff

25 when there may be agriculture folks or other kinds of 13:51


1 people that want to use that and that -- somehow this

2 great 70,000 acres --

3 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: 1700. Every time you talk, it's

4 going up.

5 MR. FRAPWELL: It's growing. 13:52

6 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: We declared eminent domain on

7 the college, but somehow it's integrated into the

8 community. And whether it's a place that everybody in

9 Orange County knows and addresses a place, its heritage,

10 it's educational, it's agricultural, but part of the 13:52

11 community, that's where I'd like to see it.

12 MS. GAUNCE: Embedded roots.

13 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: May need a facility where it's

14 an educational conference type, slash, kind of facility.

15 We go to lunch now. It's beautiful. It's a great lunch 13:53

16 facility at Centennial Park where you can go in a patio,

17 you've got to be a farm person to really enjoy that

18 because along with the food comes --

19 MS. KRAMER: There were no bugs that day.

20 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: -- a distinct odor. 13:53

21 MS. GAUNCE: And noise.

22 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: I want to go back 30 years from

23 now, I want to have this whole facility -- and this is

24 going to sound way out there, and it is --

25 MS. GAUNCE: We're going way out there. 13:53


1 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: -- I want to domed, the whole

2 facility. That way we can get rid of any noise issues,

3 we can get rid of any weather issues, everybody can

4 operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and we're not

5 a bother to anybody. We can create our own environment. 13:53

6 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: That's where I was going.

7 It's a covered facility where weather won't effect it.

8 You don't have rain day on a fair day, but yet, maybe

9 the top that's domed is sunroof, moon roof, retractable

10 roof so we all need sun. 13:54

11 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Theater roof.

12 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Vitamin D. So you still

13 capture all that, but the joy can happen all day long,

14 whether it's raining or whatever. It's state of art,

15 solar powered, everything about it is state of the art 13:54

16 that if you want a premier facility in California, I'll

17 limit it to for now,30 years, it could be the world,

18 this is where you go. This facility can be the model of

19 what a facility should be.

20 MS. SHREEVE: For the performance or entertainment? 13:54

21 What's going to happen there once you get there? What

22 happens?

23 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: I use it for entertainment

24 now and the premier concerts in the state happen right

25 here. 13:54


1 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Staples Center is no more.

2 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: I don't need to go to

3 Staple, you don't need to go to the Forum. You just

4 come right here.

5 MS. GAUNCE: You mentioned solar powered. What does 13:55

6 the site look like from a sustainable manner?

7 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: We don't -- I don't know

8 anything about solar powered and about fairs.

9 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Whole dome is one solar cell.

10 Where have you been? 13:55

11 MS. GAUNCE: I like it.

12 MS. SHREEVE: So what about a little bit more

13 like -- let's describe what is it like to arrive here?

14 Say, you know, in 30 years can we --

15 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Hovercraft. 13:55

16 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Property goes away.

17 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: In 30 years Centennial Farms

18 should in 30 years be demonstrative as California

19 biggest cash crop if you're growing marijuana out there,

20 and it would be the number one cash crop in California. 13:55

21 Here we have Centennial Farms, but the number

22 one cash crop we're kidding but --

23 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: We end up making edibles and all

24 the good stuff.

25 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: No, I think -- 13:56


1 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: You know, we've been here too

2 long.

3 MS. GAUNCE: Too many cookies.

4 MR. FRAPWELL: We've been doing it ten years.

5 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: You had to go 30 years. 13:56

6 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: Director Berardino is talking

7 about -- I would love to see culinary roots, a

8 certification type of program that has to be with ag,

9 and I love that dome concept that Stan was talking about

10 and sustainability, and not allowing our surroundings to 13:56

11 dictate what we can do and not do.

12 MS. SHREEVE: So you're talking about connecting to

13 the community and you're also talking about kind of

14 doming yourselves off from the community. It's

15 interesting. 13:56

16 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Not at all.

17 MS. SHREEVE: It's retractable.

18 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: We're not. No, we're making

19 ourselves more environmentally accessible to the

20 community. 13:56

21 MS. SHREEVE: Right.

22 MR. TRACZYK: Because we're getting rid of the

23 noise. We're getting rid of all the issues that the

24 community has had that they bring to us, and now we're

25 taking care of them and we're opening our doors 24/7 so 13:57


1 I disagree with your statement.

2 MS. GAUNCE: And we've maximized our flexibility,

3 too, from what I heard. We've really --

4 MR. TRACZYK: Yes.

5 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Can you go back to year three? 13:57

6 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: No.

7 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: It's generated some -- I know

8 some public facilities in their parking areas they have

9 created parking shelters that have solar on them.

10 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Right over here at Orange Coast. 13:57

11 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Yeah. Our Edison bill is fairly

12 significant every month to the extent there are some

13 solar options that would provide shade, shelter, energy

14 to the facility that might be something we would want to

15 look at. 13:57

16 MS. GAUNCE: That's a really great thing.

17 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Now is the time because when they

18 rebuilt that facility across the way, that's when those

19 solar parking options with shade -- I don't know what

20 they are. I have no idea what they cost. I don't know 13:58

21 what the return on investment is for electricity, but

22 boy, this would be the time.

23 MR. FRAPWELL: So I think that was Megan's question

24 about sustainability. You see that as something to --

25 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: It's a numbers game. 13:58


1 MS. GAUNCE: It is.

2 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: What's the return?

3 MS. GAUNCE: Back to also where Elizabeth was going

4 so what type of outdoor spaces might we start to find

5 ourselves in that are -- what's that look and feel, 13:58

6 whether there is -- I don't want to put words in your

7 mouth. What type of outdoor spaces might we have added

8 to how might our outdoor spaces have transformed over

9 the next decade?

10 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Green and clean. 13:58

11 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Who?

12 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Green and clean. You know,

13 really clean.

14 MS. GAUNCE: You did speak to the interior look

15 before. 13:58

16 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Green and clean.

17 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: The staff has added a lot of

18 tables with the umbrellas and that sort of thing when

19 you are here in the summer. That's a highly priced

20 facility. 13:59

21 MS. GAUNCE: Places to the sit and hang out and

22 enjoy.

23 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: The more you can do that, maybe

24 on a permanent basis is something to look at.

25 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: So it's indoor with the 13:59


1 indoor/outdoor feel.

2 MS. GAUNCE: Right.

3 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Maybe it's glass. I don't

4 mean glass, but something that's see-through. To see

5 through the whole facility even from the outside. That 13:59

6 would be your outdoor -- feel indoor -- the outdoors

7 would fell outdoors.

8 MS. SHREEVE: Indoors is what you feel outdoors?

9 Sort of a seamless between indoors and outdoors. You

10 have you great climate here. 13:59

11 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: In the thing that I see in this

12 facility, there is something to be said where we have a

13 very clean pallet and nothing on it because we bring in

14 a lot of events that bring in their stuff and they need

15 that clean pallet to put their stuff on. 13:59

16 MS. GAUNCE: Flexibility?

17 MR. TRACZYK: Right. The more structure we put on

18 here, the more we get away from that flexibility for

19 that type of venue, but maybe we open the door to the

20 other venues that want the structure to come in to. 14:00

21 MR. FRAPWELL: Balance.

22 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Right, where is the balance.

23 MS. GAUNCE: How agrarian is the interior of the

24 site?

25 MR. TRACZYK: What? 14:00


1 MS. GAUNCE: How much of the agricultural, beyond

2 the farms is the interior of the site?

3 MR. TRACZYK: I'm Polish.

4 MS. GAUNCE: From a landscape character from

5 architectural look and feel, have we -- are we still 14:00

6 looking to some of those roots still? Have we changed?

7 Is a lot of ag basis really focused around

8 Centennial Farms?

9 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: I'll keep going with what I'm

10 saying. I think what we have in that pallet, as much as 14:00

11 we'd like to expand it but every time we expand it, I

12 think we give up a source of income potential income

13 because of the space. As I've seen in the fairs, we are

14 the largest small fair in the State of California.

15 Okay. We are. 14:01

16 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Attendance wise.

17 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Attendance wise and also land

18 mass wise what we have per square acre and what we do

19 with it I think is the largest, you know, small fair

20 around. And you've got to be aware of that. That's why 14:01

21 every time you talk about putting something somewhere

22 else, we give something up.

23 MS. GAUNCE: Absolutely.

24 MR. TRACZYK: So we -- it's very difficult, that

25 balance. 14:01


1 MS. SHREEVE: When you say, we're the largest small

2 fair.

3 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Does that twist you around a

4 little bit?

5 MA. SHREEVE: So are you talking about -- you have 14:01

6 the biggest fair event for the size of the fairground?

7 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: For the property, and yes.

8 Because most of the venues, 150 acres may be a lot of

9 land but with the fair facility that -- what we do with

10 all the stuff that we bring in here -- 14:02

11 MS. SHREEVE: You have a longer fair and a bigger

12 fair, yes.

13 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: And we have a lot of stuff in a

14 very small space, and a lot of people coming in here to

15 that space and enjoying that space, and most facilities 14:02

16 are not constructed that way. We have got a large land

17 mass and they can put all these things on and we don't.

18 MS. SHREEVE: When you come -- let me back up a

19 little bit and sort of talk about the feel of the place.

20 So 20 years from now, whenever in this future, when you 14:02

21 come to this place, what do you feel? What is the

22 theme, what is the look? You know at Disneyland, how

23 Disneyland makes you feel.

24 What does this place make you feel? Is that

25 too abstract? 14:02


1 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I don't think it's too

2 abstract. I think it goes to what Barbara said that you

3 feel happy, right? There is a sense of happiness being

4 here. In other words, it's appealing. You feel that

5 you're in -- you're a taxpayer. This is the property 14:03

6 that you own.

7 MS. SHREEVE: Do you feel like it belongs to you?

8 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: And you feel like it belongs to

9 you, and it doesn't -- and, you know, it doesn't belong

10 to a bunch of vendors that come in here and use it to 14:03

11 make money.

12 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: You feel proud.

13 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: And you feel proud of it and,

14 you know, and you feel -- and you know, and you feel

15 like it's yours and you're going to get something out of 14:03

16 it.

17 You know, we did -- we did a focus group about

18 the fair. We just completed it in terms of getting

19 together the figures, the theme. And you know, I think

20 there is, you know -- I'm saying these are my own 14:04

21 conclusions. There is no -- there was focus group.

22 There wasn't like a pole. There was a lot of empirical

23 data, you know, we were able to -- in a scientific way.

24 But, you know, first of all, women who come

25 here, they feel as if they need -- they come here for 14:04


1 whatever reasons. They are more -- the women that were

2 in the focus groups anyway were saying, when we go there

3 we kind of feel like we need to go there with somebody.

4 It's more of a social event for them. When they come,

5 they come with their kids or they come with, you know, 14:04

6 other friends. And that, you know, that they don't plug

7 into, you know? They don't plug into it. They want

8 more of a social kind of event.

9 Men, you know, they were like we don't want to

10 spend a ton of money kind of answer that we have to 14:05

11 spend. There is also this feeling which we have to get

12 over, which I think we ought to see in terms of the plan

13 so it is inviting that they say, hey, we own --

14 effectively, and I'm paraphrasing this. But we own the

15 property. We don't mind that so much that we have to 14:05

16 pay to get in. But we get that. We've got to pay to

17 get in, but then once we get in, I mean, we're -- you

18 know, we're chopped up into little pieces. We get out

19 of there and we're looking, what is hell happened? You

20 know, I mean. They feel like they've come to Vegas and 14:05

21 got their pockets picked.

22 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: You ought to take them to

23 Disney first, then bring them here.

24 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: They wouldn't have anything left.

25 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Well, Disney literally -- you 14:05


1 know, Disney, there are people that actually take out

2 loans to go to Disneyland. They bring their families.

3 It's a sad fact but a true fact.

4 So if was a way that it's inviting so people

5 feel like I own this place, I'm coming here to get "X" 14:06

6 out of this place. And I think once they have that

7 feeling of ownership and they have a sense of getting

8 something out of here, that kind of resentment that was

9 clear throughout the focus group, it wasn't any doubt

10 about that. 14:06

11 Men had it more than women, but it was on the

12 top two or three all the way around. Yeah, it's worth

13 it. You know what, I know I'm paying for it. And --

14 MR. FRAPWELL: Was that comment related to the fair

15 or was it related to other -- 14:06

16 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: It was related to the fair. My

17 point is you transpose other uses, and the inviting

18 environment, and making a feeling of ownership, then you

19 mitigate that. You mitigate that feeling. It's not

20 like, hey, I got there or, you know, I got there and 14:07

21 started to have a good time.

22 But, you know, my joy got turned off when I had

23 to buy this toy. You know, joy and toy. I had joy

24 getting in. The toy cost me 25 bucks, you know. So

25 it's got to be that sense of ownership, and I don't know 14:07


1 that a physical plant can accomplish that. Although, I

2 think it can. And so I hope 30 years from now we're at

3 that place, you know.

4 Maybe you get that place a kid goes by this

5 education conference center and say, yeah, I was there 14:07

6 and this, you know, I learned about XXXX, and we're

7 toting your kid along. Because I had five of them, so

8 you know, I get it. You're toting your kid around and

9 the kid says, yeah, I got this out of there, and you

10 feel good about it. So that's my sense. 14:08

11 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: What's good about this facility

12 being a state facility, go back in time, and I stand to

13 be corrected in the early years.

14 And I think part of this land and a good

15 portion of it was donated to the state or to the feds 14:08

16 for the military usage that was here. So the private

17 sector came in and gave it to the federal government.

18 The federal government then somehow or other the state

19 got it.

20 So what we got the property -- I'm generalizing 14:08

21 this. So we got the property, but we do not receive any

22 money at all from the state, from Sacramento. This

23 place is fully 100 percent self-sustaining so even

24 though people look at this as being a state facility,

25 and it is owned by -- the land is owned by the State of 14:08


1 California, but the reason that this facility is the way

2 it is, is because the people that come here pay to come

3 in and we create the environment that they're coming to

4 see. And it's not being subsidized by taxpayers' money.

5 It's being perpetuated by the people that come here and 14:09

6 pay for it.

7 MS. GAUNCE: That's why Charlie and Ryan are here

8 because this is an economic-driven master plan really.

9 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Right. So we're not -- my

10 concern is that we do have reserves and we do have 14:09

11 money. And I went through one situation once with the

12 County of Orange in the waste management department and

13 we had large reserves there. And then when the county

14 went bankrupt, we were told when we have all these

15 reserves that they could never be touched. 14:09

16 And guess what? Those reserves were taken away

17 overnight. My concern here, you know, we're a

18 self-sustaining facility, but we've got millions of

19 dollars in the bank. And there are any issues with the

20 state and they decide they need the money, don't tell me 14:10

21 it can't be taken because, you know what, I've seen it

22 happen.

23 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: They did it to the courts, the

24 New Trial Court Funding Act that was just the

25 legislature two years ago just introduced modifications 14:10


1 to the act that swept all the reserves from every port

2 and swept all reserves from every court in the State of

3 California. Orange County was one of the few counties

4 that had large reserves. It all got swept out and then

5 a reallocation of reserves. 14:10

6 So I mean, but I think, you know, it can happen

7 and who knows what's going to happen. But if it's an

8 inviting environment and people feel they're getting

9 something out of it, I mean, I think that's the -- I

10 think that's important. 14:11

11 Otherwise, what I think is going to happen in

12 terms of our five-year master plan after sitting here

13 through that focus group so, you know, this is just one

14 person's opinion. I don't know that any other board

15 member shared it or any of the staff. 14:11

16 What I see happening is we're going to price

17 ourselves out of business. After sitting through that

18 focus group, my sense is when heard, and I don't think

19 anybody wanted to hear it. But I had my notes from it

20 is, it is income. It gets down to that's the one thing 14:11

21 that's the big concern.

22 So in this master plan we have to be sure,

23 again getting back to the policy, to the planning, and

24 to the articulation of value, you know, of what we offer

25 or, you know, eventually it's because it isn't 14:12


1 Disneyland. People pay for Disneyland.

2 MS. SHREEVE: Dearly.

3 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: They pay for it dearly. And I

4 know about that, because I negotiate a program. I used

5 to represent all the employees there. We get a part of 14:12

6 the gate so I know what the gate is and I know what the

7 second gate is.

8 Okay. That is because they create this

9 fantasy. There's this fantasy that can you come here

10 and drop 700 bucks, but you're getting a lot out of it. 14:12

11 And people believe that.

12 MS. GAUNCE: Memory, experience.

13 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: They believe that.

14 MS. GAUNCE: Joy.

15 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: You know, we do a lot. We do a 14:12

16 lot collectively with Disney to make people believe that

17 because that's how the gate goes up. We're never going

18 to be Disneyland. This is never going to be Disneyland.

19 MS. SHREEVE: That's not your mission.

20 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Let me finish my point. The 14:12

21 point is it's never our mission. It's never going to be

22 Disneyland. It's going to be what we have here. So

23 when they come to the physical plan, it's got to evoke

24 the kind of joy when they see it and it's got to make

25 them feel it's worth the money, because otherwise people 14:13


1 don't really -- it's not anybody's big lexicon, I've got

2 to go to the fair every year. Or it's not a thing --

3 it's not -- everybody thinks they've got to take my kids

4 to Disneyland. You feel like if I don't take my kids to

5 Disneyland, you know, arrest me for child abuse. I 14:13

6 didn't take my kids to Disneyland.

7 People don't have that same feeling here. So

8 how do we build that into our physical plan with our

9 programs? That's where I want to be in 30 years.

10 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: You do have to build it, 14:13

11 but you have to be able to see that this place could be

12 better than Disneyland. It's not Disneyland, but it

13 could be the best place to go.

14 Disneyland might be the one to price itself

15 out. This will be the value proposition to get the 14:14

16 most, it is right here; right?

17 Look at Vegas. Vegas has something for when

18 you were little. Coming to Centennial Farms.

19 MS. GAUNCE: Big huge pig, the ultimate sticky buns

20 at the marketplace. I really like them. I haven't had 14:14

21 them in a long time.

22 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Disneyland may go away. We'll

23 still be here. That's the way I'm going to look at this

24 thing.

25 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: I love Disneyland because 14:14


1 when I get there, it is -- to me it's the happiest place

2 on earth. I'm taken away. I'm no longer at home. I'm

3 no longer in a place I don't want to be. I'm not at

4 work. I'm in this place there's characters walking

5 around and so this is so exciting, there's candy. There 14:14

6 is everything. I'm broke when I leave, but I was happy

7 while I was experiencing it.

8 MS. SHREEVE: If you wanted to be a -- you want to

9 get here and you want to have a sense of belonging and

10 being invited. And tell me, if you can sort of imagine 14:14

11 that in your mind, like what is it that makes you feel

12 that way? What makes you feel invited?

13 You're coming in. You're getting dropped by

14 your driverless car. You get out. You walk into the

15 fairgrounds and what makes you feel -- 14:15

16 MS. GAUNCE: Little son.

17 MS. SHREEVE: -- it belongs to you, you're proud,

18 you're rewarded, you're excited, it's appealing, and

19 you're happy. What's the first thing you see or smell

20 or hear? 14:15

21 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: When you see the people that

22 work here, when you see the people that we hire on a

23 part-time basis, the clowns, so on and so forth. The

24 everyday interaction I've had with any of the -- whether

25 it's our staff or concessionaire staff, it's all been a 14:15


1 very positive experience. You feel -- you know, you

2 feel good about it and just -- you don't stand in long

3 lines as much as you would at Disneyland, but you have

4 the opportunity to interact with people.

5 I was waiting in line for my grandkids to go on 14:16

6 a ride and I talked to the lady in front of me with her

7 kids and she doesn't live here anymore. She used to

8 live in Orange County. She now lives in Texas, bit she

9 specifically came out here during the fair so she could

10 go to the fair with her mom and dad and kids. So that's 14:16

11 the kind of thing is the experience people leave.

12 And I think by in large people leave here after

13 the fair happy and --

14 MS. SHREEVE: What if you're coming on a non-fair

15 day. You have event days 360 days per year so, say 14:16

16 you're coming to the hovercraft exhibit or something

17 else.

18 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Drone competition.

19 MS. SHREEVE: The drone -- yeah. And you're just

20 coming to the fair or maybe you're coming to that place 14:16

21 you're describing where you bring your kids, what is it

22 that you're drawn to? Is it some cool thing you're

23 walking toward? Is it shade? What is it that makes you

24 feel like it belongs to you?

25 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: For one, it's clean. It's an 14:17


1 important point and it's aesthetically appealing.

2 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: That's the second point. How

3 you're treated.

4 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: How you're treated is the third

5 part. 14:17

6 MS. GAUNCE: Feel safe.

7 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: You feel safe. If you don't

8 feel -- and this is more of a fair thing, you don't feel

9 hustled. You don't feel like, hey, man, I'm getting

10 hustled in this place. So you don't feel hustled. 14:17

11 You feel like you bring your family and your

12 friends, and you're not going to get -- or feel like

13 you're getting hustled.

14 I think things that are important to use, a

15 general communities you may see things like that cow 14:17

16 which is, you know. I look at that. I'm afraid of big

17 animals, period, horses, cows, anything I can't get near

18 them. They scare me to death. And that cow scared the

19 shit out of me when I walked in. Man, that's a

20 prehistoric cow, right? There's really none that big. 14:18

21 MS. GAUNCE: It's a Neanderthal cow.

22 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Yeah, but so you might see

23 something like a friendly cow. You might see something

24 like on a farm or you'll see something at Veteran's or

25 Heroes Hall. You're going to see things that you 14:18


1 connect with.

2 MS. GAUNCE: Connections, okay.

3 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: That you feel, wow, I'm

4 comfortable here. It speaks to me in a way that makes

5 me feel I'm part of this. And maybe things of your 14:18

6 community, maybe, I don't know. I mean, a picture, I

7 mean, of some hero of the day.

8 Like if you would have, in 1963, around there,

9 and so was Stan and Doug, the rest of you weren't, but

10 when you walked in, man, if you saw a Sputnik or a 14:18

11 satellite in 1963 anywhere you went, because that was --

12 MS. SHREEVE: That was the future.

13 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: -- the future. It was the

14 history and you felt great. You felt good. Somehow all

15 of us as Americans thought -- we all did, you know. We 14:19

16 thought we accomplished something then. We didn't know

17 anything about it, but we thought that.

18 So I would be thinking those kinds of things if

19 you enter into the area where you're welcome, where

20 you're familiar and what people are comfortable when 14:19

21 they are familiar, and how we greet people is not

22 something that you need to give. It's something we have

23 to do much better, much, much better.

24 We're talking about that with our security

25 people so that this year we're going to have a whole new 14:19


1 protocol so that when you see somebody, they're smiling,

2 they're happy, they're welcoming you. You know, I think

3 all of that will make a good environment. And the

4 safety thing is a big thing and you -- and we did that

5 because, you know. The staff did an incredible job on 14:19

6 putting up these --

7 MS. GAUNCE: Electrical metal detectors.

8 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Metal detectors.

9 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Metal detectors, yeah.

10 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: And we're all concerned because 14:20

11 the lines got huge, but we talked to 80 percent of the

12 them. I did my own non-scientific pole. It was 80 or

13 85, maybe higher. I told you the number at the time.

14 Of the people I talked to, all saying, no, I appreciate

15 standing here, I appreciate what you're doing to make us 14:20

16 safe. I mean, literally.

17 We had a few people, you know, complain. I

18 think there are things we could do better. I mean,

19 maybe add clowns performing while we wait in line.

20 Maybe we need some more misters and, you know, maybe a 14:20

21 little musicians, something. But people felt good about

22 that.

23 And I think in the future 30 years from now, in

24 the ten years from now in the complicated world, you

25 have to make people feel secure in large crowds. 14:21


1 MS. SHREEVE: So it sounds like it's a haven in a

2 way from -- like you're talking about this culture of

3 respect and courtesy and like it's a haven for -- to

4 just enjoy yourself.

5 MS. GAUNCE: With elements that someone would 14:21

6 usually relate to. I might not relate to all of them,

7 but I relate to something.

8 MS. SHREEVE: So it's familiar and the new.

9 MS. GAUNCE: But we still haven't forgotten this.

10 We still have heritage. We still have roots. We still 14:21

11 know who we are. We haven't wavered too far from that

12 identity.

13 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: You guys have to like --

14 this is the fair of choice. If you're going to choose a

15 fair, choose here because it is clean, it is safe. 14:21

16 When I went to another fair, it was -- I felt

17 like am I going to get attacked, am I going to run into

18 a fight and be in the middle of it and trying to get

19 out? I'm just not comfortable here, it's just not

20 feeling just overwhelming, so many people. 14:22

21 The footprint here is just about the right

22 size. Actually you can come and go through the fair all

23 of it in a day, whereas, you know, L.A. County Fair, it

24 may take you three days to really see every part of it.

25 So this is almost like the fair of choice. 14:22


1 If you want to come to the fair and have a nice

2 day without any drama, this is where you come. So we

3 definitely want to keep that piece of it.

4 MS. GAUNCE: Community.

5 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: And then you have our CEO 14:22

6 when she walks around and she says, wow, we need an

7 extra recycle right here. Why did it take me so many --

8 I had to go across the fair to get to another trash can,

9 come out and put one there. So she's always paying

10 attention to how we make this experience better for our 14:22

11 customers, for the people who come here so we want to

12 make that to keep that.

13 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: Also the location, it's an

14 amazing location. It's central. You see freeway

15 access. And I know that for myself when I'm walking to 14:23

16 the fair, one of the things I would look forward to are

17 the smells, the wonderful smells that you're finding in

18 one location, that we don't have to go in and hop around

19 to figure out what restaurant is selling what.

20 And then also the boutique-ish type of feel 14:23

21 some of the shops that are here that sometimes you don't

22 find anywhere else because they're traveling shops that

23 come in, you know, during the fair time.

24 And then as Barbara mentioned, we have amazing

25 staff that are committed to just assessing the 14:23


1 uniqueness of what needs to happen. And every day might

2 be a little bit of a different day. One day might be

3 extremely sunny and one day might rain, but we might

4 really need different things. And just having a lot of

5 pairs of eyes to assess the uniqueness of what needs to 14:23

6 be in place so the experience continues to be the best

7 experience for that day. Because we have so many people

8 that come in every day. We have other people that might

9 just come in one day, and in that one day we want to

10 make sure the uniqueness of a wonderful experience and 14:24

11 there is so much of items that you can do for free.

12 So if you really wanted to walk around and just

13 a lot of different things, you can do that or you can

14 also pay money to enjoy some of the other items. And

15 then you can also, with enough time, plan whatever best 14:24

16 suits you and your family because of the different days

17 that you can get in with bringing certain items that

18 it's a, you know, lower cost.

19 The negotiations that have taken place with

20 OCTA where you can ride the bus, and even there is just 14:25

21 a lot of wonderful inviting quality things that, being a

22 location of choice and assessable, and also something

23 that you can plan around to come back next year again.

24 It's an experience and I think it's just unique.

25 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: If you come here every day to the 14:25


1 fair every day --


3 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: -- what do you think you can buy

4 an admission for to come here every day right now?

5 MS. GAUNCE: I thought it was -- 14:25

6 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Pretty much $25.

7 MS. GAUNCE: But it's like a pass, right?

8 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Right. Super pass. I just want

9 you to know that. So that exists. So you can come here

10 for $25 for the full duration of the fair and walk in 14:25

11 and you can go to see all the free venues, listen to all

12 the free music, listen to all the different shows that

13 are going on about cooking and planning and everything

14 for 25 bucks for 23 days.

15 MS. GAUNCE: It's a pretty good deal. Maybe you 14:26

16 need to charge more.

17 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Okay. And it does go up. And I

18 think it maximizes out at like --

19 MR. KARNS: 38.

20 MS. KRAMER: $38 for you can come every day. 14:26

21 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: If you wait until -- in other

22 words, that's why I said right now I qualified it. It

23 goes to like the 28th of February or something for 25

24 bucks. That's what's available to the general public.

25 So there are so many things that we do have that people, 14:26


1 once they're aware of them, and that program I think is

2 growing. But there are so many free things here that,

3 you know, I -- Nick and I are always kind of debating

4 the cost thing back and forth.

5 Yeah, it's not cheap to be here. There is no 14:26

6 question about it. And the pain that people probably

7 experience, it's their pain so it's a true pain. But if

8 they go elsewhere, I think we know it's worse elsewhere.

9 It doesn't make it any better if you are here, but we're

10 still an amazing -- because Barbara and I looked around 14:27

11 when we were doing the pricing. We had a firsthand

12 experience of knowing that for the dollar, we're an

13 amazing value, amazing value.

14 So we certainly want to make that known, and

15 throughout the week if people come here during the week, 14:27

16 we're even a better value.

17 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Bought these as gifts for

18 friends of ours for Christmas. It's a nice little --

19 and they love it. They come five or six times. I got

20 it today. 14:27

21 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Don't they have pictures on it?

22 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: They have names on them.

23 MS. GAUNCE: Super pass.

24 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Where did you get that done?

25 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: You got it already? 14:27


1 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: I got it already. I contacted

2 Summer and Summer took care of it.

3 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: I thought you walked over there

4 and paid the money. I was going to say, when they get

5 done that's where they're going to go. 14:28

6 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: So the thing that we have

7 somewhat struggled with because we changed the policy of

8 making this a no smoking property and we really

9 struggled. First, we started we had designated smoking

10 areas. That doesn't work. Now we have -- well, we had 14:28

11 the shaded areas boxed off. I can't remember. They are

12 all certain areas.

13 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: All designated smoking?

14 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Now there is no smoking,

15 but people still are finding a little corners to go 14:28

16 smoke in. And you know where they are because all the

17 cigarette butts are left there on the ground and, you

18 know, so the signage thing is a big deal, and helping to

19 help our fair goers understand this is no smoking. I

20 spend a lot of time saying I'm sorry, this is a no 14:28

21 smoking property.

22 And how do we manage that and control that and

23 make sure that that's ingrained that's what the policy

24 is. We really can help people to understand.

25 MS. SHREEVE: We want to do a little exercise with 14:29


1 you guys. We want to get to the heart of what you -- I

2 can do that. If you like, what's the place on the

3 fairgrounds that you love and to you really represents

4 the heart of the fairgrounds, and what is the place on

5 the fairgrounds that you really don't like? 14:29

6 MS. GAUNCE: Red is bad, least favorite. Blue is

7 wonderful.

8 MR. FRAPWELL: Put them on here.

9 MS. GAUNCE: Red is your least favorite.

10 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Of what? 14:29

11 MS. SHREEVE: So red is your least favorite place on

12 the location that you don't like being there. You think

13 it needs to be changed and blue --

14 MS. GAUNCE: Blue is your most favorite.

15 MS. SHREEVE: Blue is the place that to you is like 14:29

16 the heart of this place that you love, you love the

17 most.

18 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Okay.

19 MS. GAUNCE: Come on up and stick it on the board.

20 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: This is during fair time? 14:30

21 MS. GAUNCE: No.

22 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Well, see. That's one of the

23 observations we have.

24 MS. GAUNCE: Fair time and non-fair time.

25 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Tell me what I'm doing/ 14:30


1 MR. FRAPWELL: Red is your least favorite place.

2 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: During fair time?

3 MS. GAUNCE: During fair time.

4 MR. FRAPWELL: And green is your most favorite

5 during fair time. 14:30

6 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: No, blue.

7 MS. SHREEVE: Red is least favorite during fair

8 time. Blue is most favorite during fair. That's

9 interesting.

10 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: What do we need to have? 14:30

11 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Parking area is overall.

12 MS. GAUNCE: Then give them green and yellow or

13 something?

14 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Green and yellow is non-fair

15 time? 14:31

16 MS. GAUNCE: Green and yellow is non-fair time.

17 MS. SHREEVE: Green is bad and yellow is good?

18 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: She's going to put the legend

19 on there right now.

20 MS. GAUNCE: Green is good. Yellow, needs to be 14:31

21 improved.

22 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Non-fair time?

23 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Where do I like being at non-fair

24 time?

25 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Green is good and yellow is bad, 14:31


1 non-fair time.

2 MS. GAUNCE: I'm not voting.

3 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: What's the bad one for non-fair

4 time? MR. FRAPWELL: Green and yellow.

5 MS. SHREEVE: Green is good. Yellow is bad. 14:32

6 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: That's hard.

7 MS. SHREEVE: You have to tip --

8 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Just aesthetically. No wrong

9 answers here.

10 MS. GAUNCE: You didn't have to initial them. There 14:33

11 is no --

12 MR. FRAPWELL: We're going to ask about some of

13 these.

14 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I didn't initial them.

15 MS. GAUNCE: You've got move it. 14:33

16 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Yeah.

17 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Where is the museum, Heroes

18 Hall?

19 MS. GAUNCE: You can cross it out.

20 MR. FRAPWELL: Down to the lower left. 14:33

21 MS. GAUNCE: Where did you want to move it? Oh, you

22 did move it.

23 MS. SHREEVE: What do we see here?

24 MS. GAUNCE: You've got a favored zone right in

25 here, a heart zone. 14:33


1 MR. FRAPWELL: Yeah, you do.

2 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Not to be repetitive,

3 obviously, that goes to policy.

4 MS. GAUNCE: That goes to policy.

5 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: That's a people's place. 14:34

6 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: That's one of our newer

7 creations.

8 MS. GAUNCE: It's also one of your most public

9 windows from the street, too. You can see from that,

10 from the community people are participating there. It's 14:34

11 where some of your ongoing resources go throughout the

12 year.

13 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: When you come to the fair, that's

14 what you see from that entrance.

15 MR. FRAPWELL: The least favorites have to do with 14:34

16 the camping area and the --

17 MS. GAUNCE: That's the whitey-tighty zone.

18 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: That's our main station.

19 MS. SHREEVE: Whitey-tighty zone.

20 MS. GAUNCE: Whitey-tighty zone. 14:34

21 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: That's pathetic. You have to

22 drive through it yourself.

23 MS. GAUNCE: We have been. We've been through in

24 the rain and in the sun.

25 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Wait until all the RV's are up 14:34


1 there and laundry is up.

2 MR. FRAPWELL: We're up in the air here.

3 MS. GAUNCE: This dot right here, is this dot the

4 Pacific Plaza?

5 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: It's where we have our 14:35

6 nightly dinners.

7 MS. GAUNCE: This is where you have your nightly

8 dinners. Okay. What's with all the red dots during

9 fair?

10 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: I have nothing to do with 14:35

11 it. There is nothing that draws me there. I have

12 nothing to do there. If you brought something there

13 like the handicap that use that facility that makes

14 their lives better.

15 MS. GAUNCE: In not integrated during fair time? 14:35

16 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: I'm not into horses, Love

17 them. Not in to them. So there's nothing for me to go

18 over there for. In fact, I only pass by it on the

19 street. Almost every place as I go on the property,

20 something could draw me there, but there's nothing that 14:35

21 draws me personally there.

22 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Our job is to make -- there

23 are no yellows anymore. We all want blues and greens.

24 That's our job.

25 MS. GAUNCE: In that 10- to 15-year range, it's 14:35


1 transformed. It's blues and greens.

2 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: It's a nice exercise.

3 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: I see the yellows. That's

4 interesting. You know why my yellow is there?

5 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Where is yours? 14:36

6 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Parking lot.

7 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: That's me.

8 MR. FRAPWELL: That parking lot or parking in

9 general?

10 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: It's because when there's 14:36

11 non-fair activity going on, I'm probably sitting in the

12 parking lot parked out here. They may be doing

13 something in here (indicating). That's my least

14 favorite place to be. I want to be in here doing

15 something. 14:36

16 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: That's one of the older, terrible

17 rest rooms.

18 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Your yellow's there?

19 MR. TRACZYK: Yeah. Go there. Non-fair.

20 MS. GAUNCE: That's next to the marketplace area. 14:36

21 MR. FRAPWELL: I think what I heard here is that

22 this is about the experiences, visual experience.

23 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Mine was -- yeah.

24 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: He doesn't like that walkway

25 there. 14:36


1 MS. SHREEVE: What's that about?

2 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: When you go through that

3 walkway, I mean, it looks -- I don't want to go into any

4 past lives, but it looks like a prison yard or a jail

5 yard. If you go through those buildings on both sides, 14:37

6 look for yourself. I mean, I do. These are all our own

7 perceptions whether we --

8 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: When you think of non-fair

9 time, this place almost looks deserted. If you're here

10 for 23 days of the fair -- 14:37

11 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: It's totally different.

12 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: That walkway, that's the

13 path to everything; right?

14 MS. GAUNCE: This was a non-fair time.

15 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: At non-fair time, it's kind 14:37

16 of like the fact -- come here the day after the fair.

17 It's -- you just feel like this is a whole different

18 place.

19 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: That's my yellow is non-fair.

20 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: That's what I'm saying. 14:37

21 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: That's part of the beauty of the

22 palette -- this here, that we can create the palette we

23 want because we haven't put too many permanent fixtures

24 here.

25 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: You know, And the other thing 14:37


1 that I see when you see those reds up in the -- I don't

2 have a red up there, but the equestrian center we talked

3 about, you know, earlier, it seems -- and I'm not sure

4 -- Barbara, I think you articulated this very clearly.

5 See that is a place where we fought to keep 14:38

6 because, you know, we want that equestrian -- because

7 it's so much a part of rural life. But as I understand

8 it, somebody's got to correct me on this one.

9 I -- I think those are private, most of them

10 are private stalls that are leased to private people 14:38

11 that keep their horses there; is that accurate? There

12 is really no community effect in this beautiful

13 equestrian center.

14 The community doesn't get anything out of it.

15 I would bet, and I think this is a message that we 14:38

16 talked about several months ago in our board meeting --

17 if I'm not correct -- I don't know what we've done about

18 that. But the board was very clear about letting people

19 know on the equestrian center that they need to come up

20 with ideas to integrate programs for -- whether it's 14:39

21 at-risk youth, whatever it is. Because otherwise you

22 can see --

23 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: It's off mission.

24 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: It could easily become a

25 parking lot. It really could. 14:39


1 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: The previous board wanted to do

2 that.

3 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: If it isn't touching that, it

4 gets back to that former city manager, you get this

5 better than anybody in the room because you were 14:39

6 employed for a while. That means you had to get it.

7 If it's not going to supplement the policy

8 mission, the chances of survival are very, very remote

9 under any circumstances.

10 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: My understanding, and what's 14:39

11 taking place over there, the people in the community, if

12 they have a horse and they want to board their horse,

13 they can. It's available.

14 But I would say well over 60 percent, I think,

15 from my understanding is that they are rented out by 14:40

16 people who give lessons to people for riding or

17 different other things in there.

18 So 60 -- I'm just picking a number. Well over

19 50 percent is being used by trainers, let's say, for

20 lack of a better word, that are -- you want to come in, 14:40

21 learn how to ride, you want to do this, jumping, you

22 want to do this type of riding; there are many trainers

23 in there that have stalls. They may have four or five

24 stalls themselves. And that's what I found when I was

25 looking around. 14:40


1 MS. SHREEVE: They're paying rent so that does

2 support the mission of the fair indirectly.


4 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Does the lease agreement have

5 any language that requires them to relate to the mission 14:40

6 of the fairgrounds?

7 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Not to my knowledge.

8 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Do you know, Kathy?

9 MS. KRAMER: I would say no. We're in a really good

10 position because that, we're on month-to-month lease 14:41

11 agreements so we have some opportunity to really build

12 out and have conversations so --

13 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: We should start doing -- it's a

14 wonderful -- I mean, having the horse here and really

15 even having the smell of horses around an agricultural 14:41

16 place, it's kind of a plus. I really think it is, but

17 we have these discussions.

18 I don't know how much the discussions have been

19 with them, but it's like, look, if it doesn't start

20 getting with the helping the community and have -- you 14:41

21 know, a portion of that, then I say at that point, what

22 do we -- I don't know. What do we do? We couldn't

23 maintain our own horse thing, I don't think.

24 But what's interesting -- that's very

25 fascinating -- to me it's fascinating to see. 14:41


1 MS. SHREEVE: When I walked around here I felt like

2 -- I'm always the person who likes to grow things and

3 I've worked a lot with school yards, edible school

4 yards. And when I saw this farm I just about -- my head

5 just about flew apart. I totally fell in love with 14:42

6 this.

7 And sometimes when we do campus planning, I'm

8 sure you guys do this, too. We say, what is the DNA of

9 this place? What is like the heart of this place, and

10 how can we take that DNA, that wonderfulness and extend 14:42

11 it out to other parts of the campus, even campuses that

12 are just awful and parking and people don't feel safe.

13 But you have this core, like a little quad

14 where you have the academic center, and how do you take

15 that character and extend it out? And to see me that's 14:42

16 what -- where your (indicating) this right here is

17 exactly what I thought was your -- this (indicating) is

18 your DNA of your place.

19 It's on mission. It's beautiful. There is a

20 wonderful little spot here (indicating) here, Carters 14:43

21 Village which I thought was just lovely, and then it

22 just kind of -- boom. It's sort of stops. Boom, it

23 kind of stops.

24 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: What's interesting with the

25 green and blue, I know we didn't really have a lot of 14:43


1 thought when we came to use those greens and blues as

2 far as giving them a category, but that green gate and

3 that blue gate are key entry points, during fair time

4 especially. Right? So you can call it up.

5 But then there is also a generational thing 14:43

6 going on. You see them sitting at the table so if you

7 would have had a millennial put their dots on that board

8 at fair time, it would have been all around lot one and

9 lot eight. That's where the carnival is. Right? Or

10 even young kids, their dots would have filled over 14:43

11 there.

12 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: That's the multi purpose of this

13 facility. We've got to have the boxes that play to

14 everybody that comes here.

15 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Yeah, I agree. 14:43

16 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: And you can't build that box much

17 bigger because then we lose the other facilities. Like

18 she said, if we brought the other people in, they would

19 be putting their markers there (indicating).

20 MS. GAUNCE: That's why we did this little analysis. 14:44

21 It kind of points out like, there you are on the OC

22 market day. You've got to have that ability to carve

23 out, have that kind of space. Did you guys pick these

24 or did you just capture these from --

25 MR. FRAPWELL: From Google Earth, satellite image. 14:44


1 MS. GAUNCE: All right. And then, of course, this

2 is your fair. And this is your regular -- just there is

3 nothing happening.

4 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: So let's look at that.

5 That center is so colorful, so inviting. That top one 14:44

6 is like, where am I?

7 MS. SHREEVE: This is you unhappy in your car.

8 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Right. Exactly.

9 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: In terms of the equestrian, just

10 one observation that came to mind. When I was in Chino 14:44

11 Hills, we had 25 acres gifted to us by the family that

12 raised Arabian horses. And we converted that the horse

13 barn into a community meeting facility. We converted a

14 house into kind of a reception area, and we built two

15 lighted arenas for various horse shows that occurred 14:45

16 during the year. So we designed the whole facility

17 around that.

18 I can see some potential in terms of the action

19 arena being utilized for some equestrian uses during

20 non-fair time, various shows and that sort of thing. It 14:45

21 obviously takes, you know, somebody who has obviously

22 that experience and that ability that's willing to --

23 like Roy does his boxing club. You need somebody like

24 that who has that kind of passion, but that might be an

25 opportunity to look at in terms of the utilizing that 14:45


1 venue on a more regular basis.

2 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Just to give you an idea in the

3 middle picture is a really current picture. There is

4 many ways you can tell. The field across the way, the

5 school just built that. And the other big thing, yeah, 14:46

6 that field with the color there. And then if you look

7 at our seating, we had green seats and we just replaced

8 them this year and the other seats, the old ones were

9 umpteen years are red, which are down on the bottom.

10 That's a very old picture. So the other one is. So the 14:46

11 one in the middle, that's real current.

12 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: And I can see Stan's car because

13 he's in the parking lot every day.

14 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Doing donuts.

15 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: On behalf of the board, though, 14:46

16 I want to ask a question. How much longer do you think

17 so people can --

18 MS. GAUNCE: I'm just going to give you your five to

19 ten-minute warning.

20 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: It's X. Whether or not they're 14:46

21 going to be coming home or how much longer do you think

22 this will go?

23 MS. GAUNCE: Just a few more minutes.

24 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Wrapping up.

25 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Yes, that was our ambition. 14:46


1 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: I want to hear your ambition.

2 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: We want to make it --

3 MS. SHREEVE: Give us all your thoughts and

4 directions and we kind of pull from you what we can

5 while we have your attention. 14:47

6 MR. FRAPWELL: Is there any questions we haven't

7 asked?

8 MS. GAUNCE: Anything that hasn't been mentioned you

9 might want to --

10 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Is this one of those moments 14:47

11 where the more you guys talk, the more you start

12 thinking of stuff. That's what happened today to me,

13 which is great. A lot of things came up.

14 MS. GAUNCE: That means you'll still get a few

15 thoughts, I'm sure we can an opportunity to get some of 14:47

16 those notes and pass them on to Ken. We can make sure

17 that we get back. This isn't the last time.

18 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Security, how to get in and

19 out of here. I like that question, what keeps you up at

20 night? But I think you'd probably want to ask the CEO. 14:47

21 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: Oh, we will.

22 MS. GAUNCE: We have. We'll do it again.

23 MR. CHARLIE JOHNSON: I think it will be different

24 answers.

25 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: It will be. 14:47


1 Is there something we haven't said?

2 MS. GAUNCE: Is there anything that keeps you up at

3 night that you're worried about?

4 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Security.

5 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Security. 14:48

6 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Some days we have 60,000 people

7 on this facility.

8 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: What haven't we thought

9 about in that area, you know. This is a different day

10 and age and, you know, are we missing something? We 14:48

11 thought about some things the end of the last fair,

12 putting up something -- driving something through there

13 so definitely security.

14 Orange County is a high sex trafficking child

15 abduction type of county. Our fairground is family 14:48

16 making sure that it's got to be safe because you're not

17 going to bring your family here if it's not. And so the

18 things we do, like last year we decided we would not

19 have selfie sticks. And I know Disneyland did it they

20 said for safety, riding through a ride, do a selfie and 14:48

21 then you run into something.

22 But here people taking pictures, identifying

23 children, that kind of thing, so making sure what else

24 do we need to look at, what's state of the art. And is

25 there a cyber security risk here? 14:49


1 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: In terms of internally or --

2 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: All those -- just our

3 operations in general.

4 Is there some things that could cause rides to

5 do something crazy in the middle and disrupt our whole 14:49

6 fair. You know, so are they -- are they secure enough

7 for us? The cyber security has to be.

8 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: I don't know. We should talk

9 to Bill Pearlman. He's familiar with cyber security,

10 but I think cyber security thing is in terms of 14:49

11 five-year plan, that is -- yeah, an area. Thank you for

12 bringing that up. I mean, people are getting --

13 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Well, we brought that up at the

14 board meeting before about that, and we -- you know, the

15 security overall on all the areas from Internet, cyber 14:49

16 security to -- I don't know what we can build in place

17 that when people come in here, this is something that

18 needs to be brainstormed.

19 I don't know how much has gone on with our

20 security people at this point. When you walk in, you 14:50

21 want to make sure you have a sense of security and what

22 is it going to take to create that.

23 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: And the other thing would

24 be cell sites are important to me. If I have Sprint and

25 I come to the fair, I can't get reception coming to the 14:50


1 fair. I sent you a text an hour ago.

2 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: They're not a sponsor.

3 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: They're not, but I'm just

4 saying do we do our own cell site because mobile is not

5 going anywhere. 14:50

6 MR. FRAPWELL: That happens on a lot of large

7 properties. As I arrive here and I park and I'm going

8 somewhere, can I find my way there easily today? Do I

9 know where I'm going?

10 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: To where? I'm sorry. 14:50

11 MR. FRAPWELL: Anywhere. When I arrive here, I'm

12 going to some event or some location. How do I know?

13 Can I find my way there easily?

14 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: From here?

15 MS. SHREEVE: If you park in the parking lot, can 14:51

16 you find your way?

17 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: It's a signage issue.

18 MS. GAUNCE: What we'll call signage friendly.

19 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: You're talking fair time or

20 non-fair time? 14:51

21 MS. GAUNCE: Any time.

22 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: That dynamic changes a lot.

23 MR. FRAPWELL: I'm sure it does.

24 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: It's huge. That's the best --

25 we've got a lot of mobile signs that go around out there 14:51


1 for traffic and things that are giving you information

2 during fair time, but they're not around now.

3 MS. GAUNCE: So right now when there is more than

4 one event or even just one event going on, it's Winter

5 Fest I think is the name for it and sometimes there's 14:51

6 multiple events going on, is it easy for a guest and

7 visitor to know where they're going? I'm parking,

8 there's where my entry is. I understand.

9 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: It's not as easy as it should be

10 in my estimation, but, you know, we have the billboards 14:52

11 out and we have the signage at the front gate. But

12 you've got to wait to see what's playing in house there.

13 MS. GAUNCE: I see.

14 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: And on the corners there the

15 signage is out there telling you what's going on. So 14:52

16 there's a lot of money that's spent to let people know

17 what's going on in the facility. The signs are smaller

18 and the main gate is, you know, where you look.

19 I think when you come on the facility, you're

20 usually coming here because you're coming for a specific 14:52

21 event and you know it's here. Then you just drive in.

22 And you pull your car in and you hope it's the right

23 direction.

24 MR. FRAPWELL: That's where I'm going.

25 MS. GAUNCE: That's it right there. 14:52


1 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: See. It changes. It's up to --

2 MR. FRAPWELL: Once I park and I just point myself

3 someplace, I don't know where I'm going.

4 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: That's the area where our parking

5 people and the event people that when you go through the 14:52

6 gate, you pay the money. I think our attendees will

7 say, all right, you're here for this event, you know.

8 Go where the attendants are. So the attendants I'm

9 hoping will direct you in the area and -- should be

10 going for the event you are here to see. 14:53

11 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Okay. We have to conclude our

12 board meeting actually. We are not -- I mean, this was

13 to something we have to -- our attorney back here, he's

14 aggressive.

15 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: He's on the clock. 14:53

16 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: He may arrest all of you.

17 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: You know what, he's getting antsy

18 because he went from there to there to there. He's

19 ready to go.

20 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Okay. First, thank you. Very, 14:53

21 very good job. Okay.

22 Now public comment, we ask if you folks could

23 just stay a second if there is any public comment.

24 None?

25 Good. The next thing is we have -- back to our 14:53


1 agenda and we will conclude with any board of directors'

2 matters of information.

3 Start here, Director La Belle.

4 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: Just to say I think this was an

5 excellent exercise and I look forward to moving down the 14:54

6 road.

7 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Great.

8 Director Tkaczyk:

9 DIRECTOR TKACZYK: Thank you, guys. Great first

10 meeting and look forward to moving along and having 14:54

11 more.

12 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Vice Chair Bagneris?

13 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Thank you and

14 congratulations for all the awards that we won just a

15 week ago; right? Oh my God, how proud are we? So thank 14:54

16 you for all you guys did to make that happen.


18 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: Yes, thank you to you guys and

19 thank you for all the great work and awards that we got.

20 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Wonderful. I concur. Great 14:54

21 presentation. There's a lot to do. This is something

22 we've wanted to do. Director Bagneris pointed out this

23 is something that I know she has been very interested in

24 getting an opportunity for us to all to start assessing,

25 facilitated that. 14:54


1 Again thank you. Congratulations on all the

2 awards. Is there a place we can put those?

3 MS. KRAMER: Yes, those will probably go on the

4 shelf. They're more of a trophy, a glass and an etch so

5 we'll put them out in the bookshelves in the lobby. 14:55

6 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: Beautiful. Excellent.

7 With that there is a motion to adjourn.

8 DIRECTOR LA BELLE: So moved.

9 VICE CHAIRMAN BAGNERIS: Second.

10 CHAIRMAN BERARDINO: No role call necessary. 14:55

11 Anybody in opposition for adjournment?

12 We're adjourned. Thank you.

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[appealing - avoiding]


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[awaiting - believe]


800.660.3187

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[believe - biggest]


800.660.3187

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[bill - building]


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[central - changing]


800.660.3187

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[character - come]


800.660.3187

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[come - concentration]


800.660.3187

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[concept - cost]


800.660.3187

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[cost - days]


800.660.3187

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[days - director]


800.660.3187

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[director - dog]


800.660.3187

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[seconded - shelters]


800.660.3187

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smaller 109:21221:17

[shelton - smaller]


800.660.3187

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122:24 123:5,7,12sponsorship

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stage 53:17 55:2556:1 60:10 152:22

stakeholder 47:2548:2,4,6 86:22,25165:13 166:7174:1

[smell - stakeholder]


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37:12 46:13 57:20110:13 120:15,17146:1 155:3 158:7174:24 177:24181:14,15 183:10183:13 217:12

submit 16:23 32:9submitting 92:12subscribed 225:17subsequent 43:3

51:17subsidized 188:4subtracted 69:20success 30:14

81:23,24,25 82:3134:21

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118:10summer 2:18 50:6

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[stakeholders - summer]


800.660.3187

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201:23superior 25:19

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210:3 213:8217:15,16 218:16218:23 219:21220:23

surroundings178:10

surrounds 111:7surveys 7:22survival 211:8sustainability

178:10 179:24sustainable 177:6sustaining 187:23

188:18swa 87:11 91:1

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takes 21:9 46:1347:17 118:24124:2 215:21

talk 22:14 26:627:10 35:25 36:2042:15 49:4 71:1193:14 94:16107:19 119:1121:20 129:17133:19 139:9141:24 162:19,19163:2,4 165:10170:23 171:20173:15,22 175:3182:21 183:19217:11 219:8

talked 13:1 37:1642:8 68:2 103:7107:2 108:12114:15 117:19124:5 143:24155:14 156:17,23168:13 171:16,18193:6 196:11,14210:2,16

talking 13:4,2338:23,24 45:547:15 68:11,2571:7 94:4 113:20113:22 121:7126:24 129:18131:9 133:10146:24 147:11150:7 157:20162:9 170:21178:6,9,12,13183:5 195:24197:2 220:19

talks 50:8 61:2targeted 84:9task 33:6 44:24

45:11,22 46:1747:5,12 48:2166:20

tasked 66:8taste 24:3tasteful 156:14taught 59:22 60:2

81:22taxpayer 68:5

184:5taxpayers 188:4tchaikovsky 55:1

56:12teach 77:3 96:24

96:25 97:2

[sun - teach]


800.660.3187

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tearing 166:19tears 63:10tell 39:2,5,5,15

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telling 137:5221:15

tells 137:7,22138:24

temperature53:14,15

ten 70:24 86:23130:12 156:6,7170:18 171:5173:20 178:4196:24 216:19

tenant 49:7tent 138:1 150:20

163:16tenting 157:11tents 157:6term 149:21terms 13:18 19:1,6

45:4 62:10 101:21104:9 106:22114:17 125:24146:4,12 165:20168:11 184:18185:12 189:12215:9,18,25 219:1

219:10terrible 208:16terribly 131:16terrific 26:10test 23:9texas 193:8text 220:1texture 153:1thank 4:11 6:17

8:5 9:15 12:1215:24,25 16:517:5 18:9,1419:25 20:2 22:1822:23 25:16,17,1725:21 26:8,14,1927:9,15 29:14,1529:17 30:15,1633:5,22,24 34:1134:16,19 35:2136:15 42:6 44:2345:21 48:23 49:249:22 50:2 57:1058:5 59:15,1860:6 61:6,7,8,2162:1,2,11,13 65:2067:16 73:11 75:478:25 79:20,2181:15 82:4,5,22,2583:22 84:1 86:7,886:17 87:4 88:2190:19 112:17163:1 171:5219:11 222:20223:9,13,15,17,18223:19 224:1,12

thanks 34:8 53:1986:11

theater 161:12176:11

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themes 75:10,18theoretically

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things 12:20,2113:2 15:3 16:619:9,18,21 23:724:2 36:25 38:640:15 53:12,16,22

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think 8:12 12:1913:10,24 14:2419:13 20:14,1921:15 24:22 27:436:10,21 37:1,1938:21 40:8 44:745:5 46:22 47:9

[teaching - think]


800.660.3187

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thinks 191:3third 71:25 132:25

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49:14 68:17 75:7159:16 160:19165:18 168:5195:15,16,17200:5 202:3213:17,21 214:1218:8,11

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thrill 60:23thrilling 60:5throw 70:16

120:14 155:5throwing 155:3thursday 1:16 4:1

10:6 12:7thursdays 117:15ticket 34:14 56:1tickets 10:13 11:8

19:21 53:6 55:1356:4 135:12

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206:17,19,20till 59:10 83:2time 6:3,20 14:6

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timeline 85:1

[think - timeline]


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times 20:12,2348:16 84:8 93:1196:10 103:16137:25 139:4147:2 156:7169:19,20 201:19

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