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Transcript of July 23, 6997 Washington, DC 20002 (202) 54GGGGG FAX
InThe Mattes Of=
Senate Committee an Gouemmental Aflairs Special Investigation - 1996 FEC Funds
Hearfag Volume Number 8 July 23, 6997
Miller Reporting Cornpan. Inc. 507 C Street, NE.
Washington, DC 20002 (202) 54GGGGG FAX: (202) 5461502
Original FiIe 0723sga8.a~~ 251 Pages Min-Uscrlpt@ Fib? ID: I564470159
Word Index included dth this Min-U-Sdm
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114 'F~dLnl eica;ona.,w k- IWO ha lor rmm arc Puc 1111 in~~nfliclbyrhcrcqWlhatwemr*cforimmuniimmunityuldIhe !1111 rcquesc~.the~usticc 0 armrmthasnotobj~~rCdt0gnnU 1'3 response of the Justice ocprrtmcnt in opporin# lhew h 1131 requcsu. '119 Hsi IaiTeemplc case and who this C o d n e e . therefore. can 1141 The contlict is a xrious one. pyarululy in chc [mi call upon to me. 1151 lnermth of the North a d Poindexter M, kCluK I ita ccrUinly conclude pnsoonrlly. u I bcl im m s t observers pq the tcmpk, and probably that IS w i ~ y they arc or more I I V do. that in the aftermath of Le North and poindcncr ,['?I interest to ~eJus t icc 0epucment.becaux they had a more 1w decisions. once a congnuional commitm m u immunity to pa1 c c n d role. therefore may be more culpable or m y be of ['ai an Individual. it effectively forecloses the posshhty of llq mreauulance. rn a rucccurul prosecution of chat kbidud re@KklQ hc In Ihe second mmcr. which few Mr.Trie. about
whch MK drhe individuals wc arc seeking immunity. the m I=, Justice Department has not objected to our request for m~ reach. which is thal a grant of immunity to ~(VICZYI by a imny%cy in regard to two other indivimulr lhar relate to tal congressional committee also seriously inhibits the abhy ,p4] Hr.lne and the puticulv donation4 am trying not to go
'[fk h u ' t uhich we I haVC Nch~suspidon.hr I review I h C
'1'4 of Unmunity lor nine 02Cr p p l c who arc lnvohcd UI the
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matters about which he or she will wsufy. ?Jot everpnc agrees with another conclusion that I
[&I of the Jusucc Ocvarmenr to work with rho* (v1msxs to 1 zq into decal here-that is the subiect of this reauest for a
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14 these &le just by numkn, bur I rhinlr m r p n e i r ~ l undcnundr that the lesa we bandy their N ~ Q amund until Ill1 if and when chcy arc cakd Y wiwimcuy I think chc (14 better. Evety mcmba has considad each of these. 1131 indiWUab V a y CUrtlUy, but in public session we will [id1 refer to them by numbcl.Wc wiU consider Nor. 1 thmujjh 4 1rs1 for the grant of immunity. I'q p?I The Clerk SNtOr COW? 1181 Senator Collinr.~yc 114 The Ckk. Senator Bmwnback? 14 Senator Brownbck.Aye.
im Chairrmnlhompron.Ayc.by proxy. Rn The Clerk. k N t O r CochM?
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t i ) Oc&ties whethu fotCigh thid pWty.0~ UCXCUlpt m abuses by both parfics, but ifar Uw end dthc day we have m not gone far 5cyond that md taken. uujor sup towad 141 correcting the wtem that so eorily spawned such abwa, a [si system that includes son money rhich is le@. but should [q not be. then we wUI have miuad a a& and unique m opporWty for this Committee, mQ r)lir C o m m i ~ alone, to iq correct a 5iNation et causes jusli5bk mistrust and n qnicism in theAmatun W P k . [q U d o u b u r e m r i h m d d ~ i t T ~ . ' I t u r lrtj new book by uiubeth DW chudaumcnu in y a t d c o J [la the seamy udc of money and inJYuercc peddlinl by bob ('4 parries in the last dcrtion.
Our :.earmp chis week therefore. will underscore not [iq Vutit iroLaybmu~cmryoMdoair,butjurtthe. , [Tal oppo5ae. that both parties arc deserving of hush crrwism [tn ind U u r both parries have rhe iiq and end the one- scandal d=-aign k c c [q sysuminAmcrica. ner nunk you. .Mr. WUirmM. RII ChairmmThompson.Thank you. .Senafor Glenn. and I wu R?: gomg to uy to curry a favor with uizrkth Drew before you pal did. but you beat mc to it. w We am going to haw. thm dap now of testimony mth p! rewd to what seems like one maw instance. ma* two or
111 moclosdyaswdau4 witha politicagroup,but if the ~ l l o n i r m o d o v l y u r a c i u c d w i m a ~
or and&hte, then rhnc is UI atvikrfion thaf (r] r- and uhu the organization d 6 u b contribucc i [q !o the pucy andvice - and
, is! activitiu. b that is coaplialed enough unda the p m n t ' [rl situation.
[aj It is no( yu a mau somcrima of a foreign entity [9 sen- a +cck over h a to a policral party. although
/(I4 cluc so- happm5, too.The foreign money qutslron is [ii] alu stgm6ant [rom a political standpoint. I would
,['a l u u w most pcopfe would a m that at l a s f on one Iml 1131 that a conmbuuon from wmmnc in Englud k
,[tal different h m a contribution from sommnc in Sy?ia.Ihy '[io would both k against thc law. but h m a politid or 'iiq scnsitinty standpoint and what peo le should do. yhat the ifiq 501(cX4) should do and that sort ofthug is a poliucrl [tm considention that is a part of Ihr5 uvQ.LL s m . l[iq b it is m t . it is uuportant. it u compkx. m and hopefully, you can help us undenmd a link Rt more lRii not only what happcncd in this par txu l~ -of im tnnsaclions. but illumirulc us a, to )OW. of the RN mtricacies and piIfaU$ and uC¶tioN and loopholes Mth 241 regard to thu whole area o?foreign money. mi Senator 5 1 ~ ~ . .W. Chairman?
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PI Young Brothem Development (USA>, a Florida corporation. ria) I r t l lhis commitlrr'~ staff and hu auchoiucd M to appar and rtn provide pM1 witti informrcion concaning his dpliRbr m.5th 1 4 the Republicrn National Coaunitfcc and the National Policy It4 Forum. In b-g these facts kfme the COmminrC (yc
.Mr. Young has volunprUy given a s- dcposilion to
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m corporation would purchase the T w 100mcmkr5hip. M y m &wing Mr.Young's sons and Mr, Richads. who resided int
' (ol he United §hW, to pu(icipate i n T w 1 0 0 5 p O ~ d 11q cyma. {III Mr. courtclir dirrcrrd that two checks be written by irn the FIorida corponcion. one in the amount of 175.000 1131 payable to the Republican National State E l d o n Committee
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Mr. BcCkcr Ye% that is correct.
Ai throurh: is rhar correct?
[SI documcnt was created by Mr. F d V o l c u u e k for Mr. Bybow (rl to approach Mr. Dick &chards about the possibility of m getting .Mr.ArabrousYoung to either make a loan or a loan [8J B W M t C C rhroUgh O M d hir C m p d C S ? 1s rhrt Correct? 14 Mr. Becka. It would appar Mr.Volanrk is giving
ita .Mr. Bubour ei*t points to niu whm Mr. Barbour speaks to [Ill Mr. Richards about the 1- ' Mr.Yourytogivea
I ~ H ita loan guarantee to the Npcionrl Policy Forum.
Mr. Buon.And a n I dirat your attention to 1141 parapph 5 of chat document? Let mc rad 6um it, and (19 pkpv check me that I am accurate. It says. "We vwld like ita to propose a loan 6umAmbmw Young's hmily to the NPF [ i l l which will lllowur todmup UIC moneyprrriwrlydprnced [la to the NPF udauke it anilpblc for the clccliocu." la Iml that an -IC repdhu) pq
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114 refers to .W.Yow$r d o n - t o the pm+. Do you rce VI where i t says the %cpUMicrn parry necdr help [In r i c iauy....' [q Mr. Bcckcr.Ycs. sir. [ t q Mr. Buon. ...and as a byal Rep ublicm... 1 should tis1 consider this. and I said 'hk'lhe money is too big....' 1161 and '.:.we arc nof in t h e ~ ' r i o ~ ~ to do so,'so wsfarccd [in to resist: Is that an accurate quote? ita1 Mr. Beckcr.That's right.'lhat's what Mr.Young said. 114 Mr. Baron. Now, subuquently.did Mr.Young come to m Washington to dircuu the lan with ,%. Bubour? RII Mr. EccLcr. Yes. Yw, he did Rme wlrthat's che m dinner that I made reference to.
gencnl what you r d about the discussion at the dinner?' iq Mr. Bar%n.And his rerponse w a Y foUows. UD I not m corrccc "Thr diccuuion buially...Mr Haley Bvbour [Q requested mc to consider for the lorn or $3.5 million 'and rq usurcd mc of the d e r e m of the' money. I "rcqwstcd
[tq him to give us more informuion so that we can pmnt it to [I t] YBD How Kong boad of &torr for hthu con*drntion.' 1'4 Do you ScC that? 119 Mr. Becka.Ycs. sir. ['q Mr. BMn. okay. 114 Mr. Bee&. I think you- [iq Mr. Baron.Thuc is a sK@t cllipsia in there [tq Mr, B+ckcr.You said'moncy.'and the actual word was [IQ loan."lhrt is printed hac. but you have rcrd it 1181 correctly with that one exception. m Mr. Baron. I am sorry.'Ihu* you.
itivutigation. Mr. Bamn.Am
~YI . .AUri&t .AmIcorrrn.sir . thatyw
[VI rcctivcd a copy of the document rhcrc. Nalionrl Poky Forum
Mr. Bccka.Ya.'Ihir documit is drtcdAuguall5. MI 1994. just rbout the timc Mr.Youry contacted mc for the w fmt limeon vhctbo or not togo fomrdwiththis lour [q guann~,and Mr.uephen ll*hr6 rnnrmiaal it to me. m Mr.BMn.RiJIt.Andl&atAl#ywraMltiontothc A ~r dthe Qrumenslm I comct that it pmpoau a
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. . Mr. Bcckm.Arc you laking *t Ihe second me of
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(Is 111 please? fzq m Mr.Bamn.Whendidyoutirncomcrmrsthat [q document? It h a memo Irom Mr.VoIcpIIl+k. I t is dated m August 29,1994. to Mr. Don Fierce ud to Dan Dcnning. Is A chatcQflut? m Mr. Bccka.Ya.Aboutthc llu~cc 10 yaur quatioh 81 itwas about 4 monlhrag0,4 or 5 monflu w. m hlr.BMn.hrprrtdyourimaQ~Um?
Ita Mr. BccLa.Ya. sir. I Wt know if I would If11 - ' it inves~tbn. It waa &.YOIUQI d Mr. [!a Ridurdr and Steve Ridurdr [tq all of rhcir records available to M so that I could d e [id] them available to this Commincc. and that i s when I caw [to upon it. I don't know if I vwld characterize that Y UI
Mr. kb. I have it.Ya, I haw it.
told by &.Young to makc
,thit in Exhibit 283. winm l i l i by Mr.Vol--iilmong the thmgs he suggests is that .Mr [iq Barbour wite to .W Young? Is that corm? hsht at Be I nq top. the idea of a separate personal letter to Ambrous and
pap. 68 [ti Mr. Buon.That is a docuwnt dated August 30.1994, m h m Mr. Barbour to Mr. Y o w . i s ir nof?
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~ [ i q statement that prior to Mr.Young's beins willing to commit 11111 t o a l o a n ~ t c e . h e ~ n t c d r o u l r p u tofindcertain [in usunncu so that he would k rrvonably c c r m of getting
(111 his collated back? 1i.1 Mr. Becker.?hat was one of the things that he wanted
[q Mr. Baron. let mc turn your anention to Exhibit 285. I bclim you tesrihcb-you stated in your opening
~ ___. ~ ~ . . ~ ~ I;;;i Mr.Bccker.Yes.1 haveitin&ontof&.~ i[iq Mr. Baron. Now, that is a letter to you from Mr. Iwcy iiim Bvbour on the stationerv of the Reuublican National i Comrmtccc. is it not, @ti im Mr Baron Dated August 30.1994'
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1231 R ~ I Mr.Young's de
Mr. Baron. Right.And would you mrn to page 35 of I &I .Mr. ~ k c r . Y e s . it is.- , 1241 Mr. Baron. Did you make efforts to obtain that letter : ~ z q was part of your effort to pyn some assurances that Mr.
sition. Linc 13? l?n Mr. P", thm. I have it.
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-m . [ i t .W kk. I diQl asked for an rndcpcndcnt opinion as lo the Iegal~g of h s UaRUCuon from .W. Norcrcna,
m andlhiriswhatvcrccmed 1.1 .Mr. Baron. Ihe for the poution of the 1s coUatcnl was wircd from Hong Kong, the Hong Kong ~4 corporation toYoung &other Dcsclopmcnt (USA); it rhar pl correct? fq .Mr. k r a . T h a t ia c o r n . IR Mr. Bpron.would pu p k Nm to wlibit 389)
[iq Mr. B e c k . I hrvc it. ~III .Mr. 6aron.And am I comcc that that is the KMlnt
IbA Mr.l(r.lpr.Y~m-iirllin-l99(.oGoba 1994. m Mr. Byon. so it came in on OM dav yd went out the
-- [I) Mr. B e c k . I haw no knowledge of that.
Mr.Bwn.couldpu trbc a Lmkat fixhibit 301. pj plrrrc?
ii ,*. Byon. Now, IN shows a check, Qcr it no0 I* Mr. Becka.Yer. m .Mr ikon. In chc rmountolt1.525.000 to rhc RNSEC on
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I17J letter d c o d as the IcpIIly of I r l I r i o r I ?
114 Mr. BMn.Wm such a kncr m&d? ,aq .W. kk. Ye. it N. (111 Mr. Byon. U you will Nrn to &xhibit 292.1 bcljcvr 14 you d 6 n d r h e k w thnc.Thatlena wadone by Mr. I231 .Mark Bndcn; is that correct? [HI .Mr. Brcka.Yer. pl Mr AmbrousYoungfromYr.H~eyBarbourdalcdNovcmkr29. [m Mr. BMn. Do VM) d rcceivitu the letter?
(in pa Mr. Buon.ThYllc you. m Mr. kker.That is Wtat it rp-9 to bc. ,pi] .W. Baron. Now. coul4 you look at Exhrbi1302. plcue? 14 Mr &ckcr.Ycs. sir.
Mr. Bvon. %ow, am I correct that that is a letter to
RII 1994. aher the election?
.W. Baron.Tnn.unitting $1.525.000 to the RNSEC? (lq M r . k k a . Y r r . [lq Mr Bcclm.Yes.
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Pain 73 - [!I Mr. Bcckcr.Ycs. It appears to be a letter on m Nauod Policy Forum stationcry from Mr. Bybour dated N November 29.1994. to Mr.Young. PI Mr. Buon.And ia it fair to chulctaizc it Y a (SI thank you for h* WiMncel iq W. Bcckcr. I suppose that is a hir duncuriation. m Mr. Baron. WOUd you look at the bottom? There sc8?ma N tobcahandwmincn note chac.Could you quote that for A mc,pksrc?
[tq ,W..Bcckcr.Do you want mc to read whaf it say? lltl .Mr.HI.BMn.unyourraQplrw? ita Mr. Bcckcr. Yes. It sap. quorc. Tou're a chnmp. PJ) M U I X ~ Y ~ f O P C V W Y h l & . 'mdofawtc.
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[I] w d . and the answers wcrc no. thcrc were none. m I J ~ said thmugh 1995. the loan obwt ion of NPF was paid ui renulvlv to the bank is that correct?
.Mr. Won. I belicvc in your opening statement. you
- - 6 payment? lal Mr.Beckcr.Yer. rn .Mr. Baron. I1 undasrood your statement cormfly,
ltol that paywnt vu dcfcmd to thc back end of the loan. It itti waa not forgiven. It was just pushcd to the back of the 114 loan? :I* Mr. Bcckm.AU partia agreed to fha~Ycs. sir. : I 4 Mr. Baron. But inApril of 1996. as 1 undaspnd it, :I9 che N & o d POW F- again mLvda payHWAlband I :la belim you - advised bvlhesinna Bmk that the loan
I(, mirvd payment in April,& I was forinally advixd by the 4 bank that the bank was toldby the National Policy Forum n) that the National Poky Ponrm &l not intend to makc any 4 further paymcnu. ZJI NI .Mr. BCcka.YU. sir. rn Mr. Buon.Am I correct that that is thc letter that
i t1 you received from the bank &in# yw that the loan was in m default? A ur. Bec&.Ycr.Thu ia thc le- that I IuQ-C JUU ~deurikd.Thcvcondpnnplphm~rccMd PI scntaKc-Nlscn(QLCCinthcdpvrqrphsaay* n gonoWa has failed to p a y 4 has *the bank that it
m credit: rn Mr. Baron. Now, UUI w u Ihc hn you hcvd of it. 14 You had not hcyd about tw 6un NaUond F'olicy Forum. 11) You hard abut it from the bu\llr rhccor~t? tn .W. Becltu.lhu is C O r r a r T h i c is corrrct I* Mr. Baron. Now. subsequent to t h a t 4 I aJk you to $41 look at Exhibit 334-d&l Mr. Richprdr aaempt to l e t the tq National Policy Forum to mnlo paymmu on iu loan? 99 M r . B e c k c r . W c U , f o ~ r m i p r d E . l u b i t 333.1 t 71 conMcd Mr. Richudc ud Mr. Yam# immc&rWly. and .W. rq Rim didin frgtry to nuke dfop to rach Mr. t q Barbour and Mr. Bolton to resolve mU maw. Mr. Young 9 ulrimatcly wmtc Mr. BPrbwr about this. and I immedirtely 111 contacted Mr. Noraoar. m .Mr. BMn. If you will look a t 4 ya, have 334 there? iq .Mr. Bcck.Yer, 334. Mr. Richudr' letter to Mr. WI Barbour of June 6.1996. zq Mr. Baron. lU&t.And then Vouldyou fakc a look at
ill 3 3 5 . d chi, is a rrsponw to that dmm Mr. Bolr0n.i~ IC m not?
(41 1996. response to Mr. luchanw letter to Mr. Bubour.
.W. Buon. Could you take a hmkuNo. 333,
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Mrllr. k k c r . l h r t ' s c0rrect.W ia the June 10.
.Mr. Buon.Ddyou makc anydloru thaahcr in m contacting Mr. Norcrosa to py to get ~omc rcsoluuon? m W. &ckcr.Ycs.Ycs. I did. I vu just looking at
(R ,*. Buon.And what w n workd out with W. Norcrou tq concotung tryin# to work out some resolution of the lovl 111 &fault? $4 .Mr. k k c r . W+ ulrimatcly, rltcr-1 don't want to '11 give Ihc imprcsslon Mr. Noroorr vu diwowtcous. W. $41 Norcross was never dircourmw.Vesy pmfcssiod. danp 19 returned his called very courtcou5. t kind of got the t q mpmsim Uut hc wav liurtnced uld tryrne to k helpful 971 in the matter. I have a hi& regard far Mr. Norcmss. III la authorized to oven UD xctlmwnt ducussions wth me on
335.Yu.Y~~. I did.
But, ulrirmtcly, .Mr. Norcmu and I 4 r . Norcmss was
4 beWofYED &W.- til Mr. Damn. PIiOr U, Uut h e , vu lhe an effort m madc to put this issue on the agenda oflhc budgct committee ZJI at the Rcpublican Naaonal Convention in August of I%? 241 Mr. &ckcr.Ycs. PSI Mr. Buon.And yw received cormmndence. am I
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it1 effect that rhac wu no associaMn with any candidate for anyofEcc.
13 UuirmanThompron.All right. I think the wiU @I meal chat they sought Wl(cX4) snm but Uut it wu
never granted, Y a m l l ~ of bct. But that would not- rhu Wouldhne todo with thcir tu dhwiohwhich turned
m out not to be very rcloylt bccausc they wae in debt.They [q didn't mrkc any m. But it would not necuwrily have
I@ Mr. Bcckcr. And it had nothing IO do with the I 91 transaction we were involved in because there was no 121 contribution ~JuI, thus. no tu dduction. p3) ChainmnThornpron. Certainly. 141 ,Mr. & c k . It oyu a pure loan g u m u C . 19 Chairmanlhampson. Right.And I would refer to iq Exhibit 501. I don't know if that is maprity. minority, or I n both, but this is a memonndum to your client, Mr.Young. IN Mr. &ekr.r. I'm som. Mr. Chairman. Mv exhibiu
lol anything to do with their FEC stam.
ik don't y e m to go up &t hgh. I 111 W e we a r ~ getms you a copy of hat, I wrll
ChaumanThompron. Do we have that' - - . rn dercribe it.
n1 w ChairmanThompson. Well. we will Uy to make do chcre.
Mr. Beckcr. I SIX it on the moniror.
zsi we nccd to get iou a cow of that. It is a tittle over a
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[ti twepage mcmorandumdatedSeptembcr23.1994.whereyou~c m deMbing the situation with regard to the loan guwantcc pi to Mr.Young.You say, 'As per our telephone convaution [dl this evening... I submit ulir memo as an o u c h of wha I [q conaidcr to be the appropriate pmccdure to be employed in Iq the Inaner ofYBD'-Youlu &othar Dmlopmmt--(usA> m Lnc:spoorib*yrnnrccdrS2.1 millionloanmadebythe ~q NationrD Policy Forum... horn the Signet ByILinW&ingfoa
[tq l h a c p ~ ~ ~ i n u l i r m c m o v e c r l e u L c c d [ I d ) to wcomplirh the lwovinl gaak pa %To ensue chtno uguabk *ioLcion dUS law 114 could rem& tom0 oc io prinCip&.'ln No. 2pu talk IIB about the rWandthecoUa&d.lkn at theboaomof
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111 independent c&brucl that was engaged also WY of rhat m opinion. m 14) that. 1 un referring now to Exhibit No. 292. M is a [SI letter from the law iirm of Baku & HosteUa to you. Do 14 you have that before you? m Mr. BeckccYa. I do. sir. [e uLlirmylThompron.And what was your rc lat iohp with (R Baker it tEorWkrw%th rcgyd to this puurction? Did you
[!4 uk them for an opinion, 1111 ita CJuimmnllmmpaoa.Thir hob like an opinion W, [tal is thu C r n ? Is that vh?r that is? IIU Mr. Beck.Yes. it is.
ChairmanThompson.WcU. I was going to ask you about
.Mr. acdpr.Ya.'Ihcy wac asked for an opinion.
i i t j red any portions rhy they mi but in chc krt w b , 114 you say.'For your m*w. I hm arbaed a No w e 11q announcem~lt publirhed by thc Fedcnl Ekcrion [tr] Commission ... onAu~urt 3. IW.? IXC is the fedcnl [tq agcncychargcdwithrhcfupon&b 'tyofmonicot~and [tq regulating the fcdarl election LanThir publication
d a h directly with Ihe law's pdubition against foreign
[q mindful of that, too.You wanted to maLC 5ure you did not rzq run afoul of Federal ckCrion lam with re@ to thu mi tnnultion. 1s that correct?
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p j undenrocd i r at r Ju lune. Ihc lorn gvyrntce m z y u o n . ChaumanThompum.And is it fau to assume that you
mi felt that rhir vuuwtion did not run afoul ofhx law?
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Pagm9.97 [ t i *Mr. Brcker.You're referring to Exhibit No. SOL? m .Mr. Madigm.Ycs. (31 'W. Beckcr. I n7ie 'W.Youn# Ut I believe this is 141 the appropriate procedure to be employed, that among those- ; ~ o y h ~ - v a s xcuring an mdepcnhnt-lum 9. lhat
trmsah&the cenenl counsel for the m NPF will provide a winen opinion letter to the G c n d lcl tounrel dYBD (USA>*- m Mr. md&an.Are you loow at thc right-pur
itq Septembu 23rd mcmol 11 I] Mr. Baker. I'm looking at FAIM 501 that sommnc 114 handed w me. No, sir-kptemba 23.1S94. 1 4 .Mr. hdi#m.Ya.Yw mcmonndum to , W . Y O ~ . It41 Mr. Bcckcr.Yer. sir. 1151 .W. tmdigan. Ohy. 114 ~ M r . B c c k c r . A n d I w a s j u s t ~ y o u b o m p ~ h 1 1 1 9 On pa#C 2 ofthat arh*h is Ut OUlline Of thc lIQ Pmcduyr * rppropnW to be empbvca itrrl Mr.l(r.M.oilm.Right. But what I'm asking you is: Do I $q Interpa this dclcwmnt c m u y w be your opinion kner pi1 to your client was hru you ucconcerncd, that lsal uanaacrion is kyl? (4 *w.&cw.No.no. p i Mr. Madilpn.AU r@t. 05) .Mr. Bcckcr. I'm sa*g to my client this is what I
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' 191 state categorically that I told .Mr. Norcross that the money 12) -the $2. I million came from the Hong Kong corporation to the A US. corpontion.'lhe reason I un't and won't do that is 141 kcause I have no specific direct r d of that. [SI My impression is that I pmbably did have such a [q conversation. but I don't-I un't pinpoint it. m M r . ~ W ~ l c t m c u L y o u t o l w k a r t h e m deposition of Mr. Richprtb.You madc a statement as cou~wcl m inthatdcposicion.
i i q I r i l Mr. Madigan. I think there is a book that has dl Lhe 114 dcpariciolu if somebody cwld show him pma+ it is. Page 114 107 of thc Richudr dcpodcion. 114 Mr. Beckcr.Wait, I may haveyes, I hm it. [tr) Mr. M&m. Now. you IppMbbCfm we look at 114 Ut, you appMd at that deposition as Mr. Richards' nn anomy: is that righa I ~ Q Mr. Bcckcr. Hc asked me to do that,yes, and I did. 1iq Mr. MHldieyl.And youh rlso Mr.Yow@s anorney. m &Mr. Becltu.Yes, for lhcm &W principals. 011 Mr. Madigan. Wt, but you apparcd with W.Young aa mr his attorney in the London deposition.
m i Mr. Mldiyn. In hcI, you amnged the London izq deposition: right?
Mr. k W . Mr.Young amnged it yes.
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[iq is at page 107- [in Mr. Bcckr. I have onlyVolumc I before mc that gw5 itrl up to page 99. If someone will give it to me, I'U foUow IIol YOU. l l ~o l ,Mr, Madigan. Lct w read it to you while he's doing Iptl that and see if you can check i t out when i t gets there (m You said 'To the quation of whether. . . I ever said to ;[m David Norcrou tlut the funds uscd by YBD CSA) to purchase :mi collateral to serve as a loan EUYU~UC for the National
[in Mr. Madiyn.And M I comcc [rom looking at the 1181 depositions. that you did not tell that co Mr. Nomsr of
m Mr. kkcr.We& I don't think that's comct. I I Z ~ I think f said in my dcposiciun that I have a mcmory of GI dIScussin8 Mr.Young md &.Young's work in Hong Kong ma s M i l y to thc conversation I just had arich the Chairman on l24l UuS rubht nIh Mr. Norc.nw and the-a rehtionshio of
[lol the RNC; is that fight?
. . pi the twocomntions. I could not and WIII not s~chcicallv !i%i Pokv Forum wcrc h d s &t were loaned toYBD C S A ) from
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m hu l e d consmucnccs.And wc arc noinn to necd to set [ ( I YBD (Hong Kong). my answer is that I have no ~ o u e a i o n of m ever having said chat to David Noraoss or David N o m u
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P a p 109 iil .Mr. &cker.Ycs, I'd associate with that word. m Senator Lcvin.Au ri#ht.And you relicd on that a a55umcc! (41 Mr. Bcclca. ,W.Youn.q did, as did 1. [si Senator Lcvin. Now, a coupk months before you pve la Your advice to vow cliens which I wiew was either R Sepumb~r or iklobct d iw,thc Rcwdcnt or the Xauod 181 Policy Forum rniycd. Hir name u .\(iducl BMody, and in PI that lcna drrriyutiondrted June 28.1994. which is
it4 Exhrbtt mif you could bok lhoe on p u e 2.the uurd I t t I paragraph. wlmc it says. 7 kiiev+ that what has ita happened...' Do you see that' It* .W. Bcckcr.Yn. sir. lid1 Senator levin. I don't bcl*vc you M a copy of chis 119 at the timc.ln bckchu is#* to be my question to Iiq you. U you had a copy dUur I Ihc cimc or if you had It? LnownlboutmcIC*9UliOnd(hCChlUmUH. C U Y me. the [*at prcsidcntdthcNPF.Mr.Buwdy.onjunc28.1~,w)uch (tq vu monchrkforr your advie to your client. If you had m %en this purg.ph-and I a m g a to r a d it to you.and @ti then I am;* to read you one orha puynph. I am J*
'@a loask you vhnha or MI your advicc would have been m dlfrCrCnl. wl 'I believe thaf what haa hap@ 041 many months has @w undermined my efforts. distoncd our pwpoud. blurred the
1'1 %pantion of RUC and NPF in such a way as conceivably IO m ppudirc ow Wl<cX4) applicaLion and has occasioned the n inexcusable. heavy-handed treatment of volunccas wth the 141 NPF.' N ?had undasmur-and now I an@# down mm iq paragnpb'11 the ouuct that this aauld k an m orgmba#l WpMtC Irom thc RNc.mu#h both would k (4 chaired by you. chcy vould opaafc dirtincw. I hrd chir R under- noconlybeausc you andothcn told me so.
('4 butbecruwlheddibartcdcduonhadbanmadcto (**I ~rLMLCOICNPFundPU)I(cXl)dtheFcdcnlT~Code. :I4 That pmricion requite¶ wpuue opcntian. F3pdauy in ita recent months, it hu kcome mcfua@y ' dif&ultto it41 mYItlinlhe6ctiond~lion.-
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[*n would ChuhaveyVCn you pawe in tamof ldvituu continuation with the loan guarantee?
($01 Mr. Bcck.WclL I would say i t caa idy wodd haw m #ivcn me pauac.lhir.1 belim,is the kuu that I rad @*I a b o u t i n l i i m y u i n c . u b m Senator Levin. But were p u aIy1Ic of ?hid m Mr. Beck. No. of courac not. I waa not a m r e of-l wi wu not aware chu Mr. b o d y had been the prior prer~knt rxi at my -.or of the mignrtion.And I sup~osc. Sautor.
I11 that-ifpu are ukllu me what I would have done if1 had m sten thisat mC time1 suppow I wouhihwc trial tohavc 19 bcm prudcntindxek out Mr. BMoprand falk with hrm 14) about what it ia andwluf ia the cvidavr fhat he has and [st what arc thc broudto see if1 WTre-vII able to a#rec m with his ruuLmcnt QC notagree or-I don't know if what he BI recites in hat is bnurllywcunceor ifit's rwdr 181 of a diryunUcd famcr otBce ofm orpnizabon. PI #Mr. an individual that I have avaguc memory
i iq of knowin; from the late uvtnWmd if if's the same iw gentlenun. this is a man of very ita [*SI Senator Lcvin. Well. no. that's fine. But d you had i w reached the yme conclusion he had, would that have changed i w your opinion to your client? ita! Mr. kcker. Oh, yes.Yes. I could say chu. vn Senator Lcvin. Now. wt have received a copy of an IRS 1Iw dccisionIetlcrdU2119'1.mdrhrtu~it353.1~9l IIW read from age 10 of chat Icn~.The letter recites a m nu- o!ku wlwh it says ~ C ~ O N V ~ U S that the XPF was pi1 a putisan orjpmation. Im It says, 'Ihir putismship is exhabited in the b y mal ortlccrs and msonncl chu founded and omrate Ithcl
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it% close relationship it found to the RNC. would that have [It1 rfIcctcd how you vicned the loan uuulrtion? 114 '9 IWQ xen be-, scnuOr.'Thir is a &&I by IRC cy knrcorLcvin.o(theIol(cX4). ;iq Mr. Bcclca.And I ye it's dated in Fcbnury of '97. :iq ScnruxIcvin.Ytr.Soilyouhadknownrhrfat the :in time, w-ould that hwc a?Tccfed your dccirion? 1q )q Fcbnury'97thisvu&nn#to- aq ai ore^ fruc at that cimc.iftheyy+ true.
I letter in derail, just Iocuriry on the thin#a that you've %I mcntioncd. if they were true and would have affected the
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I t1 on n y c Imc*yes. It would have ccrWnly caused mc m concern and pauac. a Senator LHcn h t o r ClaM rl YM, could field Just
rn wct*men( waa from the National Policy forum. 14 b u c o t l e v i n . A u ~ t . rq Mr. Brcka Whcn I say& J v c k that was recaved by i t 1 YBD f.USA) was dram on an account of the Nauonal Policy 14 F a u m ta Senator Lcvin. I ye. 0kzy.Tkn the bottom h e of t41 How Koq'r boob, u thm then a bad debt. or how is tt tq sham? tq Mr. %Cb. I don't know. I assume it's shown as ar in account rrcavrbk IromYBD NW. tm senator rirht.And as of now. and as far t i u you a n prrnnnenc~ then. isYBD (Hong Kana out somc ml58oo.o0O? 111 Mr. kch. Wd. yw know. I how not. I hope not, zzi -tor tolin.~ouliopc that it wui be tepid rn soaleday? 241 Iq h e r and d & e harcome hdl andare C k a n d
Mr. Bee&. I ho that maybe ad a result of thcr
P w 114 ($1 undcrsraod that the R e p u b h National cornmi- will 14 dircsn tho* bnr and give Inonblc cbnridartion towml m sa- YBD forthe lass that they wspincdl chinlr (41 rhrc would k appropriate. I have not mdc any dmnnd.We 19 have signed rc lara we have no legal claim to that money. 19 but it would be my hope that soomctimc in the hNtr that the m RNC vouM give conridcrrrion toward that. [q Suutor Levin. Well. it is my hop. too. h o u s e it is rq so very clear$ that the origin of the money which went to iq the RNC wu the YBD (Hong &ne) funds that went lhmu8h iu t t i US. affiliate and then into the loan guarantees to the is bank, which lent the money then to the forum. which then in i.q turn gave i t 4 m y ukr four or five 5teps. but it is 141 obvious that the money which your client in Hong Kong shows iq Y 5tiU owing on the boob 18OO.oOO went and war known that I)) it was 8oing to go to the Republican Puty at the time for I? those purposes of elections. It w a facing an election in a tal couple of mnfJu, and it S?id it needed that money, and it 14 got that money, and it origuuted in Hong Kong. z q So I would hope also that rhc Rh'C returns the money. 211 This isn't a question. It is a statement. But I would hope
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Mr &cker I'm t r p g to answer it [ t i 9ky quesuon for you w Given that we all4 bckve
pi fomig contribution c o w from Hong Kong to YBD (USA) that pq you had to create all the le@ backdrop you did knowing
[ti where the money waa go- to go, amich is to say, going to m the Rcpubliua partv for che 1994 ekrrionr) Beaux ifit m wa.$ just going to thcNpF.it w on its face le@. I41 Mr. Beclra. It wu not consided then and I do not m consider it now a contribution. It waa not a ~ontributi~n. m It waa apure loanyumcce with cvcryupecratlon tlhat the m borrower would repay thc loan. m Now. the bon0m.r~ Imcr.had a debt to the
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131 can la&y receive fora@ conubuuons. why dtd you go pi through all UIC effort you MI, rather than lust hams chi: W money 80 drrccUy bwn Hong Kens to the NPP [q .Mr Bcckcr. No one ever considered the Hong Kong m corporation u bemg thc loan guanntor. From day one, rhc iw conaidenuon. it u my undersunding. had dlwayl been che
IN) But Uhr-1 wanted to ask you is why thc $2.1 million in MI couaw. In 0th- WNb, W t this an unururl loam of
1'1 guum(ce d a h ? W o d d n ' t it be morr normnl la a m OWMIor rimply toyvrnlce thc lcrn yd notIO,rsrll. 14 qUitCliccnUy.buyCD$ in thebank and pLcr Uwm in the 141 bank? k why vu this form chosen? a &Mr. Bakcr.m vuwmy*lhir -the a bankh ~ e , ~ , U U I I suspect uut the bmksimply
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19 to pay its debt to the Republican National Committee. [q SCMW Liekrmm. My (imc ia up. I just want to [q rad, fuully-ma@c at some point you can help US [q understand this. In your own memo to Mr.Young of kptemkr
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I Republlan Narrorul Comrmncc md uut thc bonovu was pol gomg to take a porrion of that dcbc-uK money it received [ t i t from the bank and sandy Ita obligation to the RNC ita (tq chc borrower. wc dldn't know or-I didn't know and Mr Young it41 d y d~&t care. and wc cera& had no cwntFol It i!n wasn't as d.W Young would rll Mr Barbour and say. now, [wl how are you gomg to spend chw money you've received from it? the Nauonal Poky Forum3 Are you p m g to spend i t on 1'4 chw corqzrcuional racc or thu senatoral race) None of I t* that Im p11 the effect of thc guanntcang of the loan to the National [m PoLcy F o m would be IO bfe up moncy for the Republrcan 1231 clccuons m 1994 That wu sta led from the kguuung to
What thc RNC waa todo nth the money it rrmvcd from
Smutor Lchrmyl But them was never any doubt that
119 assumption. and I wanted to ask you about it. vhich is that Itrl just fmm a lending point of vim. the bank reached a [tal determination that there were not suf&ient uctr in YBD 119 &'SA). So ifYBD was ping to g u ~ n l c e th is loa& it had 04 to xtuauy place. litcnlly. collatrrrl in the bank and- u? oluy k t me go to a different part of this. Mr. Bcdra.
114 on the pmhibiuon agunst foreign nationals king involved its] in Fcdcnl elections. [td] Do we have rimC to give you a chance to- pq .~r . Bccker.Yc). I'd like to respond. if I m y . [tq Senator Licbcrman.Ycs. [in Mr. Brckcr. Mr.Young had-someone had suggested lo
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[in .W. Bcclra. Mr.Young b cufrcnd% and hu ban for.
m from roughly 1970 to 1 9 9 1 . ~ a c i h dtk United BtI s tatu as vcll. IpI m his us. CilizUuhiP? rarl m frvorofhiscifizauhi~ofckR~ubIkdChupin 1991.1
SNtOr Durbin. Could YOU CCU mC aRuc hu happened to
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m their a a o s ~ y c businar on the civiliy, sidc? 1 m Senator Durbin. Did I hear corrcctlv that his wife is
. . [ t i re~p0nSL-s to vour specl6c question, lir. [in Sautor Durbin. Have you ever had a conversation with [tq him about the tax conwqumccr Of his rcnomcing his U.S. [tq cirizawhip? tzq Mr. kkcr . I've had s c v d conversations with him 811 about matters involving mes. and I would decline to rn respond to the substance of those conversations. if you (zq don't mind sir. pq Scrutor Durbin. Based on the attorneyclimt- m. Beck. Yes. of COUIY.
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[al I would like to i o to a pocnt you Mdc arlier about [rl the Nauonal Poky Foocum. In your opening Ultmcnt, I ' 141 bclme that you r e f e d to it and you chyrctnucd 11 as iq a ux-exernps non-poltucal Uunk tank. Waa that your I understandq of that organuauon whm Mr Young was asked m to support it? 14 nmc
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1 t q MI. eCiker.we~. I'VC UM him that queuion. and iiq cvery time I ask him that question. he always lays. "Ihat's [*ai not the right ward, Bmton. 1 didn't renounce a n w g . I Its sull feel very strongly about the United Stater." He said tzq et he simply decided that he wanted to crate a single 1211 crUzcnship in the Republic of China and in Hong Kong. and n he just doesn't come to the US.. doesn't have any ml m reason to come to the US.. and his children have all
I[iq opcntive word there. l[tq Mr.&ckcr.WcU.Iwouldfallbackonthcwme [iej response tha~ I made to the qucstionr with regard to the
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i14 -cor spcrccr. wt it pretty p ~ i n MI the hcc or 04 thia letter that the Baku & HorccUcr opituon lmcr ia nil condilioacQon the Lorn Iepaymcnt not bpru made to a rn politid committee like the National Republican Committee? pq PI SCNW Spccta.Why not? pn .Mr B e c k . One fair intenmution of thrt lettcr and
.Mr. B c c h . No. it isn't in my vim.
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iii the man in^ oWat letter is chat the money rhat the m Na(ronal P&cy Forum m a l bom the S&m Bank m IU 01 loan w d k mafcrred in whokor m ou( to thc RNC m 14 thc form 0r-h money, ao that to paydPCkrhc debt thu 19 the National Policy Forum then hu to the RNC.Uth. tk m thc -d I Muldusumc that the J2.miUiondcbt that m the Nlaonrl Policy Forum had run up wirh thc RNC r u a d c b c
i t q lcnasays. [tq izq my undcnMdiry and interpreution of that mud I fried 211 to nivc that to You.
Mr. Becket W 4 Senator, 1 thought you mkd mc what
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PI No- lhrt Mark Bndcn w ~ y v ~ n Ihc full Vopc of
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Pap. 140 [II .W.&cker.lhe Republican Xational Committee declined m to k a party to the loan transaction in the form ofa w ==on--. 141 %rutor SpcCW.Well. they dcclincd substanlially [SI rAer this Lena ofAugust w, 1994 was aninaThir [a letter says that .Mr. Bybow will go to the Republican m National Cornmince in rhe event of dehult which did not m o c c u r u n t i l ~ m u c h L u r . 14 Mr.BccLn.lmisundorc ood your qucrtion. I- iq Senalor S p u r . Sly quation is. why did you not at I 11 that timc m k to get the requisite gurnn(n! 14 Mc Beck. Mor to this Icntr-prior to this I* letter, in my conperurion eth Mr. Norrrosr as the gencnl
151 have the RNC p m o f thc loanguvlnlec transaction and a lq sccondyyroletotheYBD<USA). I r ) Mr. Norcross advised that that was-Mr. Bubour would 14 not agree to rhat and that che RNC wauldnorbca f o r d 19 party to the loan mansaction. 4 Now, if you arc asking mc rRer t received the letcer fil ofAugust 3Oth.should I have gone to the RNC and ask the g RNCcOdoit,irrhuyOUr- a1 Senator Spectcrlhrt was my question. HI Mr. Beckcr. I spoke to Dick Richarda about the impact I of lhir Icftn, Richard Richards, rhe forma chalman. and
[I) Dick gave as a r a o l y sense of comfort with respect to chis b!~ letlet.'lhir was a I e ~ , Dick said, that if an RNC ~II chaiman went to a Budget COmmiM and asked for ulir. the w Budgef Cornmince would no( rcrUrc it, and Ihat we could rely 151 on Ibr Budget tommittcc granting rhc rrquat. 14 s m y o r S ~ . . R U p L p u . M r . ( r . . m I think 1 4 C I aspect which seems to k acriricrl p u t ofthe Baker & '4 Hoateuer*MahiEh rent topurndwhymc loop w not '11 closed on t h a h d i t mryk.as we look at campaign 4 fJnancc~rm,weYCgoingtohnrrtodomoFeUun
14) C O w U e L I hrd U@ %.l(r.Norcroar lo wruldc Mr.BuboUr f0
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art many mdici. to suggest a genuine rl mmactkm hcrc.but I am CrOuMed by Chir w
1 PIUhibit f0- C o n o i b u ~ which YC M W On the boob. 41 ThosC ProhibitiON chrt 80 md that dal %th COmmcrCbd q- ' ns whae romrdrJnt moncy may go indirectly, not q ncc~ydirat ly .whcnromebatymakcrgoodonaI~ 1 Buv1IIlec. 4 Tiunkyou,Mr. '
q Mr. Bcckcr. S u u c o ~ ~ u very much. and if there q i r a n y r h i n g l a n d o t o ~ t l ! a t i n t h e r h e ~ , I w i l l !'I k glad to try to & i that mubliry i9ue.And I do a appreciate your obsavltiqn. and 1 endorse Chat thir clearly 'il wasaco I puu~oh as ConlQllphted by YBD.
Senam Specter. Well there arc some Ihgr you could g do to help mc on isand IIUI is.you could go back and see
PIP. 150 [pi if you recavcd that letter and focus on that uticulr
p monks w m going to the Republican National Coamittce. If ;rl that question ir uuverad I chL* you have a very solid ;si position hac. Ochuvire. (hm is a dangling threat. :q 3 don't know U I can Qwc out how it ame m the d . b u t :q my memory is that it CUDC &om Mt. Noraosr. But I wdl 4 3pak to Mr. No- and .Ur. B n d n and I Mu x e II I q can get Mr. Bndcn's L U U M C ~ that Mr. Bndcn was 11 knowledgeable of that M e n he wrote that. 4 Senator Spccm.WcU I would appreciate that y ~upplemcnt.nunk yw.
SI C~manThompson.While we ace on that point. J I 61 could O k just a minute out of our cime to perhaps clully 1 Uur point a little bit. we have the openins emarb of .Mr. #I Scott Recd. He was on the w)mcm Ut. I do not know d q he WIU be called or not. but he sfam rhaf Ute money chtf 0) came back from the National Poky Forum Qd not go back to '11 the Republican Nauonal COmrmnCc. IC went to the s Republican Sational State Fkctionr Cornnuttee account. I 31 clunlr if wu what you referred to u a so12 money account, rl and chat account could not k u5cd to fund any Fedcnl race. '51
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19 that with other wimeracr.1 think t b t is thc painlUU m not?
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114 neccssuiliMr.Young's v i m or anyonc d x ' r v i m . [I I1 [la shipped it out without my seein# it or Mr.Yom seein# it. 114 So. if you don't mind- (tal ScnatorT~cl l i .No. lndced. lamnot~to 119 C m t e r i z C thrt thir W h 'My WAY & . Y o ~ ' s th0UghI.S- [tq Mr.Berlra.No.
I do know that Mr. Ridurdr prrpusd this Lna and
[ * I Mr. Richuds wotc rlus Iencr. I think I characterized it. m I was just looking for my ope- sulcmcn~ I 131 characterized it in my opcning u;ucmcnt u a recitation of 141 the history d M maw u Mr. Richudrpaccind it.
[q of the things chat Mr. Richards conduded within the context m of this Icna,md I believe Mr. RiEhud, hu &edand [q is schcdukd to rcskfybefore lhirbdylato thia m k rn thatthisiJrrptrscnuhisvicanofmma.anditbnot
19 Mr.YOUng, I know hu 8OOX XriOur qlICS&N &Out SO=
119 proceu of 1994,avoiding deuctioi, but having an impact on (I tr OUI e l e n o n l ~ ~ . pa Mr.Hr.k? 1-9 Mr. Beck. scnilor. 1141 SeNtorTomic&.Thank you. Mr. Chairman. 119 ChUmM nMmpxwl senator smich? [lq sautor Smith.nank you. Mr. chairnnn.
! 111 u d n g other things, the cenval and concinumg issue about - la whether or not the elections of the United Starcs had been 1 131 inlluenccd by foreign money. I h o w of no better evidence 141 to make a suonger cuc than at l eu t thest congressional 19 races and probably a %ore of olhcrr.'lhe course of who [q reprcxntcd the Amcrian people and YRC in rhe Congress of m the United Sum has kcn inalterably dunged by virtue of [q witat was c la r ly a c o ~ p i n c y by some char resulted in LOI esccsa of $2 million in the 6nal staucl of the election
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Vol difncultundctoendurc. 911 Mr. Hr.ker. No. no.no.no. Not at all. Not at d. rn 1 was waiting for a question and there w no question. s+ pq h t o r Smith. I waa kind of waiting for one m y x L
it] d Republican candidates who lost similar elections and- m perhaps make a point u well, but the rmfh ofthc matfcr PI +and I -your tcstimOnythir afternoon has been quite 141 cvldidia that thia waa nota ~ n c h r l o u s 151 nnuy+mcnrlhir wm payopcn,md it was above boar4 A and thc commcnt as to the source of thc loan bone thing. m but to imply rhu thae was some nehtiwr rlpcemcnt here, I n Wblxyondthebounda o f a t thc testimony hubem. VI f mir(lt rbo saycht it isa bitre- h m y
114 pcrspcnhre, Y I sic here, ~ r . chairman, to have wimcsscs
114 tooco(Dc in and ulk with us, md we appreciate that. [i3l Let me ask a couple of quesUona.'lherr hu bem a lot 1141 of matcri covaui hac. and I do not want to repat it. I 119 just want to try to 6LL in a few blanks. Did you ever mcct [ r q personally with W y hbour on this aamr or any other lln manrr? [iq .Mr. B e c k . No, sir, never met with him or spkc to (I* him. ~rq Senam smith.Ncva PlLCd with him on the phone n11 either?
1111 UUt b O W S O O m e ~ lboul O W inrrSt@Chl who a -8
.-. ..~..~ Mr. Beck . No, sir. k Senator Smith. I m t (0 pick up a little bit on the
111 that m Nauonal Pnlrcy Forum vu le@ under the law, and one of m the ways you Ld rhu waa to seck ouuidc legal counsel 141 In che 1etu.r &om Mr Braden. he sand rn the letter to iq you-fha~ u Ortobu 6.1994-he sa14 'You have requested i(1 our &cor of w h e w thu Vuurction conll~cu with m ecru US law&'Do you recall IR what manner you made w that rquest~ Did you have a converwuon wth .Mr Bradcn 1-4 or and has law fum or how waa that maner convened to the
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11 11 if Mario cuomo VQC hac, if indccd of Conyu. Mr. Dudrn ofCew& wl~o brc by 5.000 vote.
119 Congrc~rmn Klcin of New Jersey by 2.000 votes. Mr. Ita1 SvtaLrnd ofOhio by 3.000 volnuvinnrn Bmolu ofTexas Itq by 5.000 voU+ach and every one of thc Rcpublicln parties 1161 in thow States receives tern of lhouwndr of dollars it? coUettively.~th*S2millionOrbcedup~~waa uq distributed throughout the United States. I wondered what iq you would say or Mr.Yom would say to all thex people who 14 lost their c a m s . the afizenr of thex States who arc lzti influenced by advertising with money fhat aw from a Hong im Kong corporation. of an individual who would renounce his [nl American citizenship and ~ R I a citizen of the Republic of 1241 Taiwan. to h o w that our e l ~ ~ c i o ~ were SO influenced psi Thcx hearinns were called bv Chairmnll~ompson for.
i [I 11 ,%. kk. I have no memory of ever convvsine with I [la Mr. BRdcn directly. My converwtionr on this matter were 1131 with .MI. N O ~ C ~ U . and ,w. NO~C~OSS cnwgcd .w. Bndcn. i(iq Senator Smith.Au right. i[to .W. Bcckcr. Mr. Norcrou dm v r u d me that .Mr ' [iq Bradcn had kcn given a full description. a dcuiled l[iq description of thc VylllCtion that w then contemplated. 1 i i q !iiq lh is law rum. Baker & Hostctlcr. was fairly well qualiGed 1201 to get into the inuicacics of elcction laws and what Was iptl right and wrong! ;m ~ 1231 tune the gcncnl counxl of the Federal Election Commission 1241 or of the Republican National Committee. but my
i 1251 understandinn is that he ccrcainlv his WdI versed in the
Senator Smith. Now. was it your understanding that
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1'1 no motive. He d have n o h g to gun. risk violation of m the law, Lie to r COUnul . lie to Mr. Richudr.7hae u ! m nowtogambythat . I4l .W.YOuIU hrd no motive toen- inloanylrvd of 19 corupintorid mty and did not. He w lobbwd and 10 succumkd to the lobbying only lhcr hc felt comfombk m that it waa a d e invehxnt and that it wouldbe quid. W *tor %uith.Thank you vcry much. Mr. OuimM. Mv
113 on that point IW (19 appreciate your patience with wand a p p w t e your [iq wdhgnes to come and visit with us. k t me jw follow (14 uponthcpoin t jwnivd 114 D o c h c v e p L L w a ~ ' r h e ~ d 5 o R d t y 11q by both putieh in your opinion. put our polilirrl system m and our Ga*anmcnc in icopudv of unduc innucnce by foreign pi] business and govemmcnts? m
Mr. Beclrp. vc apprccirte your Indulgence, and m
Mr. kker . I thinlr the lam on the book todav with
[41 F c d m l contribution, b a violation of the First hmulm&L [q I thinkit ia timc forthe Congcu ofthe United Sfam to [q @ve the SuprCmC court the opportunity to ru* on thrt m question yrin.That waa 21 yeus a#o. PI when you bokat BucWeyv.Vallcp, pu COlDc to the 14 stark r u b t i o n chu onlyonc mcmba of thecourt was
iiq p r a m s that w mcmba of the Buckley court b srill on [ill the -.We have eight new members on the bawhand this [ia Congrcsa d other Co- have very often ddrrued
I 11q uncorutitutionrl. It did it a few y a r s back foUovuy the 11iq J o h n v.Tear f l q dcumrion decision in the Suprcmc i[iq Court.When the Supreme b u r 1 dcclved the statute in unconstitutional. the Congreu of the United Statea pvvd
(1% qucstioru kgidativdy that the supremc cwrt * drrlycd
iii IS that not correct? m .hit Bcclrcr.AbsoluWy, Senator. I couldn't wjmc ~1 respect to that by akin# what would be the motive for Mr. en Young to enter into such a nefuiour ~ l o c . l l ~ ~ r ~ rould bc
i ~ t ] Supremc Gurt did itagain. declared it UnCOnstiNtiOnal. rza If you a n do it in Johruon v . T u u in the next year, why
,1231 can't you do it ,in Buckley y. VU+. 21 m s k? My ~ RI] personal new w n d I don't like to speculate on how this irm iusticc or hat iurticc will vote. but mv Wrsonal view is
more. and I would kind of rcversc some of the questions with
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pq massive money &me. arhich has gotten out of conwl and 1111 undomg our system. ita In addition to diminam roR money, do you have any 1131 other rccommcndrrionr thc COmmittK nught consider. may&
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[IN address soff money and you should give the Supreme Court of 11q ulc united sfam rhe oppomrnity to revisit that m expcndinuc limitation irruc undcr the F i s t m d m c n t . I 1291 think it is time.mQ I chinlrthat wuld be a wonderful. 'mr wonderful vnicc to rhc Nation. rrn Senator Clehnd.And you have been a wundcrlul &e P4l tOUS,Sif. R5l I yield the mt of my rime to Senator Levin.
IW Wtcr enforcement or ma+ a strong role for the Fcdarl
.Mr. Becker.Wd, I am in favor of a lot of thoac [ill hngh sir, but I think the QUX of the problem is you must
['I Senator Levin.Thy* you. .%.Chairman.
[q Team 100. m Mr. Bcclw.That's c o m t . m Senator Lcvin.And alter the dal fell through and Mr. R Courtelis knew it, thae was then still money that had come
[ tq h o r n Hong Kong Li tRc USA accouns is that correct? (111 [$a occurs while the shopping center M is still viable. [g
[iq Senator Losn. Okay, but in any event, Sft. Courtelir [iq is darly aware that thcrc had bcen no income euncd by I'll USA. 114 Mr. Bcclru. Mr. Court& is aware that there is no [iq entity, and that it's &ing crated basically at his m suggestion. ~ 1 1 Senator Levin. Right.And he is the h e d o f T a 100. rn and he then. according to your deposition on page 18. I rrn klicvc. says the foUo-, or rllic is f i t you uy.You 12.1 had been told that Mr.Young had scvml meetings in ~q Conversations with Mr. CourWs in Hong Kong telephonically
.Mr. Becker.Thc acnulTcam 100 commitment and payment
Senator Lcvin. Oh, it is still viable. I141 Mr. kCker.YCS.
R IIq 1- simply reparing- 11 11 114 Mr. BCCker. -what haa ken said to me. and I may have IW mispoke. I think Mr. Courtellr-1 think &,Young said to 114 me that Mr. CoufWis' rdvice Vuf it not be Mr.Young w 110 theTcam I00 wmbcr.but that it be the U.S. corporation
Mr. ~ecker.~ou ur;dcrrpl;a -tor. I am not there.
Senator Lcvin. Repeating what your client- 1 .. .~ R .Mi.Beclca.lhaYeil.
Pq *tor Mn. -Which the &te, by the MY. that I1 11 the money 'IU anihble.
I W 20th-hold a money until occobrr. 114 11n iS What 1 want to mint out hcrc.and this is
Mr. Bccker.Yes.Thi~ is the one with the October
k N t M Lcvin.That is the intriguing thmg. and that y ~ u 01 . .
[tq your client. [in Mr.BecW.No. 1111 Scnator Levin. But do you know what October m id iw Mr k k e r your counicl IUS ech~caced mc on that mn score Your counwl has told mc it was a 6hng dicc to 1211 have sometlung to do wth chc Fcdcnl uccclon Commurmn m ScnatorLcnn o c t o k r 2 o c h u l h c ~ y Y ~ e FI JndLnc for Qrlosm Now, here. you havc got an RVC Iw that u pylns to d m all hz5cfol*r.all rhcrc mcmkrs PSI and the and~datu that they have out thae for omcc
1'1 They arc O w e d soow money by Ihc Natlonal pbli m Yauonal Pohw Forum u told bv the RNC. hold o?on that
' p j mduatc that .W Y o q ma& it clear t o w bot Mr ,pot Courkha knew that YBD (USA) had only recently been pit establuhcd and prunanly for purposes of purchamg ra~ propmy owned by .Mr Courteb, and that Mr CourrcLs knew m, that YBD (Hong Ken@ was the pumt and cstabblung party pl dYBD (USA) and that YBD (USA) waa a pure ~bs~dtary
,@I corpontion ofYBD @long KO@ and that .Mr Courtchi. WIUI -171 I Pago 174
111 that knowledge-mth that knowledge. you say, recommended 1 n thatYBD (CSA)k the &r o f T a 100 Is that correct, Forum The
PI money for a &kWe want to bur abut opaular) IS (41 anyone hddyry? opauuu) You wmt to get that money u [SI quickly u pouibk.un*w you do not want to dudore it. IN If they got it on the 13th fmm WE chey would have to m disclose 11 in their 20th report. If they pot 11 on the [ai 14th or Il thor 16th or l7rh 15W.beyarould have to ;g disclose it, but they tell Ihc "pF over at the RVC. hold it
1-9 until Octobct 20th. It ia no comcidcncc that October 20th [ - ( I i s the day a h rhe dadlinc for conulbutiw and paymcnu
of UUS kind to be dirlosed before UIC eicctron.mm u 1'31 no comddmcc hm. follu.We arc all pmfesioluls at 1141 th~s. We arc all knowlcdgrrble about how the election laws 1-9 work and d there is an-g h m that I flunk is very liq clear. it is that this rcpaymcnt was scheduled so it would 11'1 not be divloscd until afm UIC clec~oion. [tal ['q Mr. Beckcr. I am glad the mord is clear on that. My 1201 clients never saw this letter, never wrote ctus Icttcr.
Xow, that has nothing to do WIUI your client or you.
~. [9 FI Senator Lnin. So that .%. Courtelicyou have no [q doubt-knew very clevly chat the money that was in the [q T c u ~ x c u s e me-the money that was in theYBD (VSA) account m had coax hom Hong Kong. ~q Mr. &ckcr.Therc i s no question about that. no [g question about that.
pq Senator Lcvin.Yet, as h a d ofTrrm 100. he. according 1111 to your conversation with your client. asked that that
[ t i l that correct? /I141 Mr. &cker.'lhat is corrcct.Senator, but if I may. ![is] Alex Courtelis is dccrrud. and Alex Courtelis 1s a [iq gcnrlctnan who enjoyed a Very.very h e reputation in ~WiUni. [IT and in Southern Florida. py The one time I met with him at the clo5ing. I was very [is1 impressed with him, and a man who was very, very much jm involved in his civics and his community.
Mr. &ci.Yer. that is comt.That is-
account's money be u ~ d to buy t h e ~ a 100 membership. 1s
. . izii never received thh letter. Q Z ~ ml I do want to u k you to clarifv one thin8 that you talked
[zrl (4 done something in violation of the law. !mi Senator Levin. He may not have known that it was
Mr. Courtelis, I don't believe would h v e intentionally Senator Lcvin.AU right. One question. CruUv. that
I Z ~ I About earher. and that is the 1991 conu<buuons ~n p u r Z51 dcwsiuon. you s u i the f o U o ~ n p cclaclvc to Mr
[zq lllcgal when he proposed it. PSI Mr kckcr That is what I would Itkc t b s record to
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swu leaning on Mr. B;rboUr to do that? .Mr. Bcc*rr..lhu is CQmCT
Senator Brnnen.U Of lhis ia scu W?
Senator Be~ett.And b x hmdmumg ' ' &OrUwould be legal?
SCNW BCMCI~. So. if the NPF cannot perform that 1s. if rheir fun- efforts do not work, you. your client mud an additional guuantec?
Senator &MCR It came in the form of a letter from
,Mr. Beckcr. It carainly would.
Mr. Bec&..?lut is correct.
Haley Bybow. and you have alrady temGcd you have never met .W Bubow. that he pronnxs to ask the RW: to cover
irq correct? Itdl .Mr. Bccker. It is tabled. It ia rrbkd.lhe requeU [jq is Iablcd.That is correct, w.
Senator Bcnncn.Ych okay. So he ask?, urd 5 0 he is (in turned down. So chm Dick Riehvdr trm to turn up the [tal heat on Haley in terms of letters to him. appeals to him. l'q what have You? !m Mr. Beck. I fhink that is cnclly what Dick was 112'1 vylngtodo,ycl.
mi Mr. Bcckcr,Talking to himchairman to C h a i r m . in /n4j that fashion. yes. ! rm
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Pa## la1 I?] reached whereby you are pa~hlly made Omole. to the tunc of m S800,ooO is what you recaved from a variety of sources? 14 141 Senator Brnnen.AnP your IOU chcn is 1700.000? 14 Mr. Bcckcr.T)uc is correct. A hutor knneu.hnd your- rn Mr. Bcckcr. m y Clicnrs lobs. m y dicnt', I O U . m Senator 0cnnm.Your &tar low. ya. 14 And,ywr udlingncu to accept this r n l u w t is
114 parually kcpuw you kliote vut the iusunlxe you 1111 received from Nlr. Bubaur could not be enforced in thc 114 courts? frat Mr. Bcclrcr. WelL I klicve that it is cer@ g n y if41 and maybe a W w ) question. and rhcn rhae is thc cou of it9 li@tion and tk delay, and you have BOo.OO0 on the table, Irq There b a whok battery of considartions to go on. vz Seitawr Bancn. Yes. I luve xnkd de?lr myself. It*) Mr. Becket. RyhL ISI Senator Bennen.And I am sure this wu not a m SarirbrmryLCnlemCnL Rtl .%. Becket. Rjght.
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P2l knat0t Bmnctt. I would not M n t to k the RCpubliCaIt m fundraiser vho vwfd now a f t .W.Young and ask for Y)M
1241 more money, having gone through this upcrience. I think rm thispmb.blyhusourcdhimabit.
111 Ur. Brcka. night. pt Senator &MntThrt, whrt I have just oudincd, b a w C O m C t nol logy dlhc ? PI rn c h r o n o l ~ . l T ~ ~ ~ arc other itam in there that I might
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119 Mr.Bcckcr.Yer,rir.Ya,a.rit. [I 11 SCNtoK b t t , F&.lhu* you. &. Chaitmm. 114 Senator Gknn. Ur. chairmys I have a few minuter 1131 left. I would like to auOcatC thcm to Mr. BMn with one [I41 minute to sarator Liebamrn 6ra.
119 Very briefly, Mr. Beckcr, bank. I Mnt to go to a 1111 p u t of the record that hu to do With ~urrrlaencc to the (181 YBDNPF relationship Y a commacial Plnsaction and as an 114 i n v c r ~ ~ l l n d i l r wx I lreepine my o m liu damat m we learn in thgc h a r i i a n d I am keeping a list of WI contarants for what I would a l l the c h u ~ p h award. 14 Up una now-I am not referring to you p m o d y . It PI is hcts that come out. Up until now, I think the I d has PI been the nun8 wt~o cook thc vowofpoMyandgave S5.000 to m thecrmpryl.
(11 Todry. there is a tittle fact ha chc I just want to m br- out. HacYBD puts up $2.1 million of ita own money R to give COllrGenl ¶a dut flu mollcJQn come out ofthe 141 WE Haley Bubour thcn stam to try to YlrYBD to forgive (9 this amount d m m z y e w n UKIM it h a put it in.lher+ is [el an Ultimrte wn*mcnt mdewhae thc ymmcnt is that you m g c c s 8 o o . o o o b & u d ~ ~ ~ y k r d t o u l c h e 1.1 rest of it, buially.lhrr is a wry &ni6ant I-. PI Mr. Bccka.About $700.000.
1101 Senator Licbamm. Ri&t,700. But what am^ out at [ r r ) mc from yourdepoaiuMI is thatat abut the umc time, in 114 the fall of 1996.chc bmlssigllet Bank- you have hul [*ai these CDs in the enormous amounts, sends you an interest 1141 payment of about S50.OOO.copics it to the NF'F, and they [tsl then deduct that mount of money from the S8OO.OOO [iq settlement that they wem going to @vc you. I would call iirl that chutzpah. ~ 8 1 How that affect you in your evaluation of this as [q acommclpul transaction and investment? im izq them is a better word for it. 1221 lbUEht.l in1 Mr. Ckckcr. I rhmk you've got the right word,
&SanatMypoint is it was legal at orry
1151 k N t O r ~CbCrUUll.nlUlb, Mr. C u .
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Mr. Reeker. I don't h n k in jurisprudence or in Latin
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[q US..but not- IO welbw farinhru. But he w a ~ not I happy. I take It. 10 .W..Bcc&.No I11 s a u t o r m . He wu very unhappy. 14 U r . k k . Y a . 14 hator Irebcmnn. 0loy.RUnlu. .%. Bccka. 14 uvirmvlm~lon.suucorAuo? 13 Sautor Aloh Mr. Chairman thank you very much. I I* am going to yuld che mt ofmy rime to Mr. Glaulbut I am I?lcuriousrboutoncrhuyl. 14 You received a letter kom Mr. avbow dated 8/30/94. I- urd I wdl just quote from it,and a sentence in that letter 9 says. 1 am con6dent the RNC would gnnt M such authority 111 at its nut mceWy. provided there u nlid OutsUnding zj dcbtofNPFtoaU.S.binlsguuzncerdbya U.S.citizenor 7 domcstic corporation.' I alro note the vcry cuchl use of ul domestic corporation at the beginning and here a1 the end of !q thclencr
It) In your 0plnton.at chu limc.dd W y Batbow know n that the money for the yuulcce would come from Hong Kong? 0) Ur. Bcckcr. 1 think sUu(0r. that I awld UUIYQ that p) question by saw 1. a p h have - hrbdidn't have any rl convcnlfionr with Mr.Bubourat tha time,but I Mu w y @ this to you:thrt lcm is written to mc by Mr.Bubour
p~ that that s p i k inforrmrion .N communicrcedat that q dinner. Soand I kl*vc .W.Young twlecd to Chrtas 1) wdlsir .So I thinlr thc answer to your question would k
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m f 0 b ~ thc dMer thar Mr.Young and Mr. Bribour and Ur. Richvdr ami blr.Volcurrelr aucndcd,ud Mr.Young malls
w&mtor Alala'llunk you very much I WIU meld m y 41 f u ~ c to Senator Glenn. SI Sautor G h . W e ue on a vote. I note. .Mr. C h a r m . i and I brow we are going to have to go very shorrly here. I I) thinkMr. BuMl M wnp thia up.thou&h,as faras our part w goes. Wth Mr. &rku in j u t a few minuta here. q Mr. BMn.ThmL you. Senator Glenn. I just vrnted to q ddnu certain byic themu which I think have come out of 91 Mr. Beclrer's mrimony today. 4 FbstofI l loncofchciuut l i s~(vuWr.Bybour a dnvd that thia (MUc(i0n M funded by money that rl origuutcd II) s) today hu establirhcd at Lcvt Wce insma.The Erst.
a W ~ t o n , D . C . , ~ A u ~ t d l ~ . A t p a g e 35ofthe a deposition that w taka of Mr. Young in London. He is 41 asICL4-Can you dcvribc wiut M the diuuuion at the 9 dinner?' H e ui4 "The dixursion bvially (vu Mr. Haley ,q Bubour requested me to consider for the loan of 5 3.5 7 mrlljm and wrurd M of the d e return of the loan. But 9 as a mull of that, I could not c o d t nor have the power q to comrmt, but requested hun to @vc us more dormauon Io q that we can prwnt it tom0 (Hong Kond board of directors 11 for further considenuon.' 4 The second reremnce is .Mr. Bcrkcr's tcsrrmony. whde
he doesn't have a distinct recollection of dirusslng 11 41 wth Mr. ~orcrosy, he believes in gcnenl that ir i s hkcly 9 that he d d have such a discussion wth Mr. Norcross. q And the thud i s Ambrous Young's srateo~nt that m UIC 11 5ummCr of 1995. when ,% Bubour visllcd hun at the company 81 yacht in Hong Kong and asked for forgweness. Mr Ambrous 9) Young madc it clear that he could not do that for-among 01 m y other rcuonr. that it wu Hong Kong money wuhch w15 11 subrct to audit by the Hong Kong authorities a 31 Mr. kcker .W Won. you nught add Mr Ichardr' 41 letter of September of '% Io Mr Bvbour I Ihmk
Kong. It - to mc that the tcsumony
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Thompson. Senator Glenn. members of the I* w. m o v u m v l 111 Committee, for 13 months I was president of the National n Policy Forum. I beamc iU Grst pmidcnt on the 1st of iq Julyl993.andthc lstofAugust1994wmthcdceciveate III ofrnyroigrrio n. fal I spprcciare the opportunity to rmke thb brid opening 19 statemat. I ara accompanied by counsel, ,Mr. George Sal- of 141 W GUmp, SpuUr . tLuet & Feld WOUM Mr. Bar iq corn is UIY-ly absent today. I have essentnlty iq thm poinu to make aftera preface about NPF's name and r7j ' '
iq =National Policy Forum was to be a Republican Center iq for the Exchange of I d c u . ~ l I used to wy routinely at 4 the smrI of our forumr. that was decidedly and 111 intentionally not the yme as a center for the Republican
zq out to hear h m all, regardleu of pzty. 241 q First, it is by now rvell-known-in the common warlancc
[<I of thh CommineC. perhap5 it ir old news-lhat NPF's 121 chaimun and I disagreed about the appropriate funding and m operation of the NPF and that, to me. our di-u wee irl s-t, sa much sa that when I found I c d d not 15l p m r i l I felt Eompellcd to resign. Go@ to Npp,and [q la- it, not a s y debionr. But as followas of m -pnmdVylr rlro know, our d h g s a l m UrmmULted 19 to wlut I tided Somc RcDIonr for Ruignation.in a muno I 19 wnwtobceocllldential,andlhyrIteptlo. 19 l t d o a not in anywy minimize thc impomncc of morc Ill dhpumcn u u) say that they do notrile to the Smmc 13 ' . aa do Olher matters befoe lhir cornmince. for ig -* a b- gapernmrnt p w to intcrfuc
19 United S t a t a OlAmcria was cornpromired in the last I* clcction. i7j
I* relevant to thh cornmince's inquiry: one, I thoufit using
ZII thought the Lines be- NPF and RNC were not sharply 4 enough dnwn and made vpyrtion between the W x e u a a] Gction. though vpantion was required by our appliation
zq On uu 6rst point, Mr. Chairmur I believe my euR
[ti wwdr to NPF3 chairman upon L i t heving Irom him the 121 foreign funding ida IYUC there: V e could get the money. a [Ill right]; Iht would be easy But it would be Wmry.' [ai I did not mean with that Illusion that it would be
exchangedi- ' NPF was to be open toall and set
My chrcc poinu arc thw:
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I41 in- @CkS O f whecha che MI&d SlX&y Of the
Sccond,the disagrccmau be- the chaimnn and me Iq were mmy.but they boil do- to two I rhinrapcirlly
Dl foreign moncy to fund NPF would be and. (vo. I
PI for p.ucmpt status.
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I f1 had meant illegal. I would have wi4 and latu
But I undcrrtood at Ihe rimc. and wm later ramsurcd n by counul. that an cnWy organucd under SCcUon MI(CK4) iq of the FedmlTax Code was legally pcrrmned to rccetve I T [ foray convhuons 14 $31 prute. umcanly. and mprudcnt. because I Qld not Uunk an 141 orguunuon sa lnheently mvolved m American m o ~ y - in excuse me. sa lnhcrcntly mvolvcd m American pohcal '61 pubhc pohcy pmccsur should be b d c d wth Other thyr 11 ~mcrican money 181 I also bchcved that fore@ fundmg would mcvltdly 14 become p u b k and conooversul. as. m fact. i t hu. and m1 that such controversy would draw anenuon avry from-tnd 111 cast Joubu on the le@macy of-what I hoped would bc a m subsunurl convibuuon by Chc YPF to American pohDF11 ni dlscourx and to a reasserted prunary of the Republican
?SI AS io the xcond pom of d m ~ n m c n r . the 'ticclon of
I m d it 'kmuld be vmng.' mvung not nght, uuppm
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[&I application by the IRS. u eventually occurrcd.Again. I [SI did not think we wm ming iucgiuy; I W think we were [SI puttihg the (cX4) application in jeopudy. 1 had this rn concern essentially for fam rcamru: 19 PI and ib application for taxexempt status to a rodmat.
First. the advice of COW who had uulogued NPF
( io) Every qucrciohlble lction laken by NPF. rhe said Wrc [I 91 IhrOWing a pebble in the boat and too many pebbks would
[I* (141 ccrUin keJ bright lina and opmlcd NPF in darly [in prohibilcd ways. Cer~ainly, chat would have jeopardized thc 1161 application. but it di&l't happen while I waa thac.lhe [in NPF aimply did not engage in electioneering or campaigns or 1'11 nmP* ftmkmms. . . [rq pol often even a p p m that legal b-t ILN.The repeated 1311 exelEiy ofquutionab* judgams she aruncd the
n if you will. of 'pebbles in chc boat*-could itself be pal sultcient to sink che application. ps) So. first. there was the dvicc of counsel.
[if Sccoond. there vu the cxpaicnrc of my hther. Somc of you will know that he builkand for decrder M t h e
PI American Glntcrprin INtituIc. Rren&hctiully. sally of you 14 will alm tcnow chat hc vu a-1 man. m I b o w IIUI in 1- he (ooka Iawofabunc+ IromAEI
[ i z l sink the NPF, or at last since ita (cX4) application. In this view. the risk came not just if- trod
Rather, counsel's soonger caution vu against NPF too
m xcumulrtion of too m y such mislud-whe piling up*
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nonethckrr cndwb@y rme lhat AmcricD is a good councry,
Mr. OYmM. I undrrrnnd the Gnnmilccc may not have
r h e srrputd statanent of Mr. BMody f o U 0 ~ : l
pj with good pcople in it.' trq [Ill YHIY qUCSUON mC. rn Ill C ~ n p o m p r O h R u n * you. Mt. BMody.
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m I will reserve my timc.SautorGknn,md defer to
1 [rl setout to Zuta to America" stnined hud to undcrstlnd 18 what we htud. I have aaached my own &pm from our [q summary report, and I ask, .Hr. Chairman. char it be included m in the record of lhir hearing at the conclusion of these [I1 remarks. w
[I9 without obicction. ( t i l , W . ~ n t a n k p , ~ . [in In brief summary ofthat summrry. I offer just the
[tal In that timc. ne encounurcd anger, suspicion. and [lq dismlst to& politics md government that Waa widespnad [le among Ihe Clectone. But we aLY0 encounM many people [rq who nonetheless Nspcndcd their disbelief long enough to 1181 rcll us what thcy Wught and hope it @t &a [iq diffcrmc- the apparent further hope that NPF itself was m a signal chn politics could be serious and get real about RII understlnding the mbkma Americans experience Y the rcal
rtq R,l peep* who md pq answer. answers could k found-mpk who were lindinf! such
111 answers lhrough cffcctivc local solutions in their own n communities. PI (41 to. we found confirmed the workin# hypothc*s we srt out 1% wie-y, though chir hcr is frequently obxured by [q polrucrl ComcmQyI. and the weight of the nightly m nevs.we who Lircwd u r c N l y toAuxrica found it
ChairmanThompson. It wiU be included in the record
[I* fOU0- rhm Ob-ON:
tal problems of rdd. Also, we found ulmple after upWIh# example of
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FMy, at virnuUy every step and every town we went
PI 1 141 you.
ScNtor Glenn. I yicld timc toAlan Won. our COunsCI.
Mr. Buon.lhY* you. Mr. Chairman.Thank you.
Mr. Baroodv. Good rftcrnoon.
ChairmanThompson. Mr. Baron?
Good aftcroon. Mr. Woody. ScMtor GleNI.
Mr Baron h d b n k you for your patience m sinrng all day waiung for us to get to you.
I underswrd that you have ComrmMcnU tOmOrrOw afternoon. so I think it p ~ d c n t that wc k g i n the questioning With you tonight.
background with p ~ c i c u l u emphuis on your mvolvemcnt in First, could you give us a short description of your
.I4 Cxunple. lhir vuy-urqlury. Mr. chair& Muib be I"] exclusively an explorauon Of alkgauoN by abuse of only
ivy ddfcrently at the NPF. p i In summary of my Grit two pourts. I state the IW followtng The NPF. wh~ch took no foreign money whde I was [q there. could have-legdly; and the nouon Uut 11 o nted 1171 as a money laundry for the party is laughable in g e of the (mi fact that on the day I trrwed it already had $13O.W0 ur Iiq debts and obhgauoru and IU SUNS w ~ t h the RYC was never m other rhu, debtor SUNS. an4 from [zq RYC, the NPF was what we sud i t was. a grusroou pohcy 'm Jcvclopmcnt effort that traveled to 60 ciues around the 'mi country and hrud from thoumdr of Americans from all walks 1241 of Me It vu open. It was ~clious And 11 was rcal.
i l l One PUty. mSIad Of both. had d c w l O N k+n
a 'front' for rhe
psi MY third pokt follows hom that-and I will not
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ita Mr.BMody.llut'scwrsn. kq Mr. BMn.Now, do pu KUu that Mr. Barbour at chir [CY d y rimt told you that he belimd that lo lrq m o n e y h [eq rcvenllc for thc National Policy Forum? 111 Mr. BMody.Yu. sir. icq Mr. 8aron.And am I comcf that ywr d o n to that [ t q was that might bc Vue but you fell that it was wrong? m Mr.BMody.AsIuiOinmysatrment.yes. R11 Mr. m. night.And you dc6ned wlmg not m nccnurily l@y wrong. but thal you thought it was 14 inappropriate? rm Mr.BMody.Cormt. rn Mr. 8aron.M indeed, I think you elaborated at one
Ill point in your deposition Y it ancthll part of rhe
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reason it wasinappropNt~ was chat you didn't think it was
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;pi postabOvd3? . PI Mr. & n h d is it vue that Mr. kc h u m who was [lq Aallccoma.sirdih~rrluetopurmemoMdum It 11 of mignation. I s it correct that you understood at the ita ouuet that the National Poky Forum ~ u l d bc an [iy organization sepante from the RNC? 1141 Mr. BMody.Thrl is correct. [ry Mr. Baron.And that chir WLI W e although the RNC and [tq the National Policy Forum ~ C ~ u l d both bc chaired by Mr. [in Bybour. he would hold both roles. w a r borh hats. w to
~ i q the NPF's finance chair, agreed with you that it would be
[iq .W. Baron. I s it also vue that &Mr. Bill Bmck who [tq you duded to d e r , who was also an NPF board memkr.
I[lq agreed wth you it would bc inappropriate for the National 11111 policy FO- to niu money from torcy sources?
ici rprrl? Wr. Buoody.That is alro corms yes.
m ,Mr. Buon."Ihcy would still operate ditcinctly Ai .w. Buoodv.RLc is c o r n . 1 ,pi1
own to W. &&our? .W. &cody I did in the convenrrion I alluded to, .~ .
pq Mr. k n . h d lhir was something that .Mr. Barbour m Yes. ' !g relationship between the National Policy Forum and the RNC.
I correct that the National Polior Forum ~ 2 1 foundcd with
w indicated to you? rzdl Mr.Buoody.Yn. m m si
%.won. Low, 1 want to tlllt *ut the fuunci?l
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t o o&ibLtv that the Nauonal Pohcv Forum would sohcrt m ln my hiid is S 100,ooO.kom Ihi RVC; is that correct? m (41 m June at the MIC we announced the formation of the NPF. [SI Yes.
Mr. Woody.We announced that, Haley Bubour and I.
[q m correct? m .Mr. BModv.'l)ut is correct.
Mr. Buon.And tha~ wu s v u ~ n v e d u a loan; is that
Mr. B a s 0 n . k Ihc antiapation WAS tha1 the National rim Polio- Forum would nire monev kom conpibutom to rmav . . i r i i the I& fmm the RNc; is that Cdmect? ria Mr.Bar0ody.Y~~. [ r q .Mr. &uon.And subsequent to Uu initial seed money, [tal the S 100.OOO seed money, the RNC bomwcd additional monia 1151 bm-I'm sorry. the RNC loaned additional monics to the [la] "PF? It7I Mr. woody.Rut is correct. 1111 Mr. Buon. Okay In faa b m May of 1993 chrough 119 the end oi 1993. the RNC u ~ d c d scwe ~460.000 in I- to m UIC National Policy Forum is that corm%? pr1 Mr. Baroody Ye, but my molkctron ' irthrtthenct rn indebtednusat the endof the yar vu ksr than that. PI Mr. h n . Indeed, you're ryht.'lhe NPF repaid sow 1211 of the loan so that by the end of 1993.0~ rcvicw of the 1251 numbers indicates rhc net indebtedness at chc end of the
p.p= 111 year was about s26o.OOo. m Mr. BMody.Thrr is my recoilcction as W. a Mr. BMn. could I set posrn board 12. Pkru? irl These rcLw to 1991 uansfcrs offunda Irom the
Nationrl-to the NuionJ policv Forum b m the RNC. [q AmIcomctrhatas19!94prosrarcQmCamountand m rhe kcqucncyofthe Nacioarl Policy Forum's lorar b m the 14 RNcincrcued) And pubpsiria rclUydaoonruafedri&r R *.
[ir] Mr. Buon.Am I not correct that by the middle of [ra 1994. the Z26o.OOO that vu owed at the end of 1993 had [I4 increased to almost $2 million? [iri Mr. BamodyThat's consistent with my own 1r9 rccollcclion,ycr. [rq Mr. Buon.Wcrc steps plrcn on your put at that point [t?l to keep cxprrua down unld rrycnuQ could be incrcucd ? [rw >Mr. Buoody.lhat vu dif<, mom dimcult to do [tq in the period you're looking at now, the 6rr halfof 1994 m Uun in '93.The pace of activity picked up mnrldarble. 1211 There were perhaps 0th- RWN as 4 ~y that was the rn czu.And thae continued to bc an arpectuion that mi ConWibutioN would bc received.
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WI mi you'vc lust mI16cd, thc staff at NPF u the end of 1993 Mr Bamn.As I undersand I& FonriRent with what
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PI Mr. BMody.Well. it's only-youk churctaized it [II as into an clcccion -.We wcrc intoa v a y l a h r p h u c [q for the National Policy Fonrm's [q Mr. Baron. And as I recall you amiburcd chir m increase to the u r i t n l d a chicfopacing OlIka whom ~II Mr. Bvbour had sclcctCdl1 klicve you used the word llyld (9 picked.'
[ r q Mr. BmOdy.T)utL conrct [ i t ] Mr. Buon.And am0 was Ihu)
[ r q .Mr. Buon.And is 11 fair to say tlnr you =vre [WI uncomfortable with the hct Uut the NPF vu so indebted to [IS] Ihc RNC? [tq Mr. broody. I don't know anyone who vu comfortable 1171 with it.Yes.it's fair to say that. [ r q .Mr Bwn.Werc you concerned that the -t of the [in indebtedness nughc reflect on the IOl(cX4) SONS that you pat were sccking to obuin for Ihc National Policy Forum? or1 Mr. Buoody.Yes. I'm sure chat chat was on my mind at [m thelimc. mi Mr. Baron. Now. I Wnk you've territied that ,Mr. or1 Denning was selected by .Mr. Bybour.Ancr he was hired in [m early 1991. did YOU have discussions wirh )urn about the
but thcn m e you MIC into UI election m Ycar.l994*thesIP bauoonedtoosawH
efforu.
[la Mr. &oody.That ,was Daniel ocnnin#.
~~ .. r m foreign conutbutionr? 81 141 conversation about the sub&t. 13 [q .Mr. D m said to you that he'd been asked by ,Mr. Barbour m to explore the possibility of foreign sources of funding for [q the Nation4 P o k y Forum) 19
[pol Mr. Baron. Or wads to that deet. ;1q Mr.Byoob/.Ycs. [pa Mr. Baron. Okay And I t?Lc it that was inconsislcnt
:fq moncy Ibr the NaIional Poky Forum. 1rq :rq Denning. :vq ;rq Mr. Eamody Not at all. 'is) Mr. Byon. Okay. Now. you wzre prwidcnt of the p q National Policy Forum until July of 19%; is that correct?
zq BMn. 0kay"hrOugh July.
zq asked did you know a IIM named FdVolcanrcL and I believe
[vi your testimony was you'd l l c v ~ heard of him. p~ w thrngr atrendant to this pmccu brought his name to my @I amtion. m Mr. Baron. By rcccnS you within the last few m months? m Mr.BMody.ya.
.Mr. Baroody. I recall that we had at l a s t one
Baron.And do you rmll in that conversation that
.w. Byoody. SofIWhiq like thag yes.
with your own vim about the propriety of niri forcign
Mr. BMody.aarlyitvu,md I said XI to Mr.
Mr. Buon.Yourv*rr had not changed on that subicct?
211 LW. BMody.AU#Wt lst, Xully.
Mr.Byoody..Yes. .Mr. Baron. Okay. And at your deposition, you were
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Mr. Buoody. Not una recent pleu accounw and other
Mr. BMn. Okay.% rhen.1 ukcit,it's d e to assume you didn't know that prior to April of 1994 Mr.
iq Vokrnrck hadbenuked to endage in hmhising on behalf v of the National Policy Forum? 121 tq ,W. &IW. Wnc you anrare that in the middle Of April 141 of 1994, Mr.Volansck had a meeting with Mr. Denning and r q Mr. Fierce at Mr. Ficrce's home (0 ~aJk about how the I# Nariorul Poky Forum could repay i u debt to the RNC? 11) Mr. BuOody. I'm not aware of Uut meeriy. 10 Mr. Baron.Wcrc you a-well. since you weren't IR a m of the dirorssion. I think I can answer my next
Mr. BMody.You arc comct. I did noc know that.
question. But I take it you wm WO not aware that the
.Mr. &oody.You have rnrwacd pur next question
z q subicct in that dlrcuuion included the possibility of
8q nisin# foreign money to pay off the debt.
MI IccUntCly.
111 ,Mr. Buoody.Ya. w Mr. Buon.And I rrpracnt to yownd again, I rhink 19 I know the anmm-that in May of 1994. Mr.Volcansek Mr. 141 Denning. and Mr. Fierce met and revicwcd a list of three [q possible foreign ~ u r e c s who wm considered u possible [q ~cwurccs to uris~ with Ihe NPFb financimg-rcfnancing
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m ne&. m Mr. W. I'm w w Is thrt a question, sir? m .W hun.Yes I cake it you were uNwarc of that. io( .Mr BMody. I did not b o w that. 111 Mr Earon And that MrAmbrousYoung w a one of Ihc 14 pcoplc on the hst lhrt .Mr Vol-k was loolung at' fq iq Mr Buon I take it you were not aware, then. at that IS] tlmc whdc you were sull president, Uut a decision was iq made to approach Mr Y o w Lhrough Mr &chards lo x c If 171 he'd guannrce a loan for the Nauonal Pohcy Forum' 811 igl Mr Baron Am I correct that durlng the WIV that you q were president of the National Poky Forum. .Mr Denrung was 211 supposed to report 10 you' m Mr Woody Well, he was the chef opcnung officer. ZYI )cs. he was suppovd to re or1 to M 2.1 Str. Baron In the lueraxc~~ he was-
.Mr Bvoody I a d not know that
.MI Buoody I was not aware of that
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-iai r a d mcmoriahd a convcrvtion yoU had hmj &th ~ r . BlI htmu? 14 mi Mr. Baron. Right.And in Iight of the k t that
, iaj mlnuin'the &tion of separation: ~PII can you elaborate on that a lit& bit horn US? i rm .Mr BMody. In what way, ,W. Baron? PI Mr Baron. Well. what specitcaUy, in what a r a did rari YOU fmd that the seoantion had becoa~ rowlhing of a
.Mr. BMody.'I'hat early conversation I alluded to.
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Page217 a Pap. m 1'1 .Mr Moody weu, Is I suggcstcd euhcr, pmcipauy [ ( I done about health care ' Do you recall that' m u1 what I would call muugerial ways 'The one that really ' m ,MrEaroodyIdo m complicarcd fhc procar of report aniring m the-and I [dl allude to this in the bcument-w the wylwfi f to some 19 RNC staff of pmduction of Uut rtpor~.An aarhrl lor of lo fires had to be putout which wtre.1 rhjnlr.sMed by m tho* staff do@ what they thought was cditoliauy iq indicated without horn. because they had not bccn rn involved in the policy p m ~ , that it might &cct
lfq impormt linyge. [i ii Mr. Baron.You aUudcd in your memonndum to the sc- pa called Fresno Forum.Am I correct sir, that at that forum [ill a Conycumul Dooley, who wy a Democrat, had ken invited pi to oarticipate accivcly as a pancliu? [*si Mr. Buoody.llut's correcf. t iq .Mr. Baron.And that Y a d t of prcuurr being [I? broa&ht by the California State Republican ogvlintion. you itai received an inrwction-and plaue c o m a mc if I'm wmup iiw 4 believe it was from Mr. Bubour. that he should ont be 124 allowed ro participale on the panel but should be made put pii 01 the audience. 14 Mr.Buoodyauoody.uscnIiauy- ~ZJI Mr. Earon. Correct me if I'm wmng. pal Mr. Buoody. EucncLuy that's comct.whether I gs~ received sprci f idy lmm Mr. Bubour an instruction to
111 Uut effect or it wu implcmcntcd in another way, I honestly m don't d. Buf that was- IYI Mr. Bamn.Was it communiated to Congmannn Dooley 141 lhrt he would not puridpue on the pand. would hc in the [q audience. md Y I understand it, he then daidcd not to m partiapatcurll? m m. m. Eucntiauy, I belioc that ia what
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iiol relafive to thc F m o Forum. I am quoting.You say, 7 h e ifii F m o Forum wu a au in point. My mwy pier rhat our 114 50l<cX4) application rcq% that we not mpond to iiii prcuure fmm parry orpuunwmr atha to Mccl &heevent [id1 or remove an invited'Iismer'fmm the p d were fir) uncquivocdly shared by ouuidc couNel to the NPF and i ie l communiatcd by both of w directly to you' and the stalfof iiq the RNC r e m i t as *IO much legal b.s: Do you x c lis1 mat? iiq Mr.BMody.Ido. m .Mr. Baron.Who wu the staff munber who dismissed the [of! concerns as legal bs.? Do you reall? [4 Mr.Buoody.Ido. ~n) .Mr. Baron.And who was hat? tori Mr. Earoody.Tlut was the executive dirrnor. psi Mr. Baron. Of the RNC?
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rll b+JOur to ap-rn ch.r NPFI icnarlcounvl a m mth ial your concem; is that coma? 151 Mr. BamodyYa. 14 .Mr. BMn.Wh0 =aa dn saunl COUlUCl d NPF? m Mr.BaruodyHirnuDcvuBLlrcW ((1 Mr. Buon.And vu hisconcan that Ihisput in PI icopudy. this kind d aclivity would put in jcopudy Le
1'4 Ml(CX4) stanu? I* 9 1 pa Mr. Rwn. Now. then also was an Luue that arose [oi concerMg the tictional separation wth regard IO the i1.I publication of an interim hdth M report? 119 Mr. BMody.Ycs. sir. iisi Mr Baron. k t mc quote from your mcmomdum.You i t q say. 'Other examples underscore my concern that vpanbon ('ai between NPF and RWC ia a tction.Thc inierim health care 1'4 report 124 would mtecferc wth GOP advertisin8 you had undcrukcn.
:??I 50ltcX4) application, but also counter-producuve.gen 12'11 that the mterim report would have reinforced the message of 124 the ad.^ by pocnring out that h t Rcpubhrw would wish to
.Mr. BMody. Yes. in a M.
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PI Mr. Baron. Cui you dabonre on what occurred with (41 regard to the holding up of the publication? [SI Mr. Baroody. In all candor. not very much.& I PI recall, I returned ro my of6ces at the Nariorul Policy m Forum born prvcl to one of our forums. or rmylx more UUII [ai one. to k told that the decision had k e n Imde. 19 Mr. Baron. With rcyrd to hiring. ON this another
!tq M in arhirh you fclr char fhc fiction of separation had 1111 broken down in rtut you UNmCd that you had certain hiring ita authoriry which you late discovered wu not d y yours? 179 Mr. Buoody. No, I wouldn'f churcccrize i t that way 1141 at all and don't bclinc I did in my mrmo.The hiring iuuc :14 nixd in my mcmo doer noc go to the question of the Gction :M of upantion. It goer to what I thought waa the failure u) iiq hcp a commimxnt nndc to mc about hiring authority, but it :tw was not an indication of the fiction of xpantion at all :!SI that the chairnun would have stmw views about Wins w pcople. He had, in fact, told w that he would have strong ?II v im. ' Ihe question of munhirr is rhe only issue them. p~ and it does not go to the rpantion issue, in my view. p~ .Mr. Buon.Thrt was just rimply a separate iuue that 341 you felt that had nof lived up to a commitment to you? a .Mr..&uoody . m s COmct.
[il Mr. Baron. Okay. Now, did it come to your attention m any incidcnu that put the NPF in a position that in your m view involved them in cunpai&ul.rcla~ activity? You uud pi that phnse at one point in your wmonndum. [5l Mr.ByoodY.ya. PI Mr. Baron.What 'RLI thc incident? m Mr.BamodyI shoukl say &re =-that was not a PI &cqucntpmblCm. rn Mr.Byon.Iundarnnd. iol Mr. Buoody.lhae was one pmblcm I thought reflected 111 poor ju-t on Ihc pan ofone memkr of NPF's M m $21 which he engaged in a conversation with a candidate for 'iq Fedu-d ofEce and I though( it- inappropriate-about the 14 campaign.Thc conversation he engaged in was about the 19 campaign. mi Mr. Byon. Did you cpadivusr with Mr. Bybour your In comc4n about thc NPFl indcbtcdners to the RNC? IW Mr. Baroody. I'm sue we had diMlsioru about char. ia Mr. Baron. Now. yw a ~ z a m , I Iake it, that the IRS zq denied the application for 501(cX4) ux-exempt status this 211 year? ZZI nl LMr. Buon.And arc yw aware that the IRS deusion was 141 b w d in part on the fact chat thcy concluded that the NPF zq served a narrow gtoup of the Republican RWtY and Republican
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.Mr. w. I am a v u e of that.
P W p 2 111 PUryactiviSU? RI Mr. Buoodv. Mr. Baron. I am a- only of pres pi accounu of &I dcnirl. and they arc not &ryclabontc 141 (9 questions at Umc. :q ChurmmThompron.AU right. Senator Lieberman. m would you like to ask now? We have a vote on. I thmk ial members will be comins back m shortly. I would hkc to [o( keep it gorng ifwe could. Bur you haven't voted either. tq have you? 111 '4 go vote. .Mr. c-. 01 ChYrmanThompson.AU right. Scrutor.4lolu.d.o you 141 want to p u s for the Umc bcmg?
tq ChwmanThompmn.WcU. why don't I conmue on for a ?? few minutes. HopefuUy someone who has voted MLI come mj back. 191 Mr. Baroody. thank you for your resfimony. Obviously ZPI the nature of fh~s orgvwauon is unporunt to our 211 consideration. I ~lunk that you have established Uor rlus
you felt very deeply abou: that nl could make some p u v c unpact as far as your caiinuy wa5 zq concerneJ.That is the reason that you took tlus lob to ~ S I 31arl w t h --
.Mr. Baron.% you, .Mr. Chuman. I have no further
Senator Lcbermm. No, I am gOmg IO pass for now and
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. . [tq business of scpara6on.You talk about h e fiction~ol i r q separarian.77tat k i d diumpr out at you when you red 1 4 1 1 thattemr. (111 .Mr. Bamody. I Undcrsund. [tq CluirmanThompson. But you point out that had to do pl Wth the Wl(cX4) $talus. In a Wl(c)(4).you arc allowed PPI some political activity. It is not supposed to k putivn 14 political activity. but you arc allowed romc. But you arc [a not s u p p o d to be a subsidiary of a party. p 1 .HI. Earoody.That's correct. lm ChairmmThomwon.And you were very mindful of that.
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P W 220 111 AS it rurned oJ), it w n d out not to b~ as re~evvlt a m coruidmtion Y you would have liked because there never [rl wu a pro61 Uurc. Is that nor correct? I41 Mr. BUmdy.flU1 is aacuy conrrf, sir. tq ChairmyIThompson. But as far Y the FEC law is rn concerned. the ~ c o n d a a t i o n here is not the m dorcneuor Nbsidiyyiuuc as muchas it is were you m engaged in polifial activity. 1 19 k dealin8 with = ~ c d l y o u t thac engaged in 111 poliw XriviIyfOr ollc parIyor ;motha. whu you have ra derribcd as rcmirvn and pubkawu and that MI of tal thing.But I fakc it youdidm hm things liLc YolQ 14 rc&trafion cllbn* g~toUt&eVOfc &Vu. phone bmlu. 1qoran*liLctIUt? I# in Chaimm'IhOmpson. Did you endonc any pyticukr I@ andidam for public ofkc? 18 aq ChairmanThompson. Did you have a PAC? 211 Mr. m. No, sir. rq Chainayl'lhompson. Did you makc political 4 contributions? 24 M r . H r . . N o . iq ChahmTh0mpson.h far as on the foreign money
(11 issue.you wae concancdabout Ih?c because you were m faUrinsabourAmerirvl~Amcriculval~Ydwhatwy m good forAma%aandpu pidn't thinkit was the ri@ I41 chin.y todo tohave forei&n moneyimohcdin lhaf,lhc
Iocchr [II you'dbecntlpzcd m Mr.BMody.Ycs,dr. m Uuirman'IhomprcnAndBill%ocraadochasfeltthe rn wmcrryrboutchr 1 Mr... 'lbcporriMliFldErir*irmaoubkdmC iq as I mid eulia.but I i t [ in the wad I d h p p r o p * a l m trwb*d mC. 14 ChtirmPnnwalploa~CAlumulb a s k P pu iq knew, it WMlld have bccn kgal Ibr you to accept it. 14 iq Itamuldhwcbccn(cyL iq Chahm'lhompron.M ryht Now, you had a tq conversation wifh Mr. Bubour about rhe question of nisin8 14 forcignriuld$? iq q itlthappencd riortomyufmlattheNPFina tt1 conversation I Rd with ttim.1 thinlm I M m d ~ the q decision tocome, the subject came up.1 told him what I q have written. I told him that I though1 it would be wron8. HI Chairmawlhompron.AU right I think I hm tim for fq one morc.What vu lhc NNlC of that conwnrion? Did he
[ t i suucst to you fhaf that vu a pourbrliry rlut you could p~ n*cforc&r~hrndrforchcFo& (4 .Mr. Bamody.Ya. He nivd it as a rerl possibility. pi UuirmanThompson. Did you ever hm a subsequent w conversation vith him about whether or not. in hct, forrim (4 m o n e y w y ~ n L c d f o r t h e F o r u m ? m Mr. Bamody. In dl candor. Mr.Hr.auirmul. I don't
1 othas. and as I have said, I thoufit at one point rlut the iq s u b p t had d i d altogelha. I 11 19 other information you had about that cllly from other people? tq ,Mr. Bamody,m is c o r n . t q ChairrmnThompsonAnd Y far as you h w , while you 151 were there. foreign money w not raised? 1 q .w. Buoody.lhrt is F O ~ t . I? Chairmanlhompson. Senator Glenn. I am going 80 vote. tal with you u Chair in my abrncc to continue. tq Senator Glenn. [f'residing.] Thu* you. b h t f . chairmul. ZQl CkM? 2t1 .W. Byon.7hmL you. Scnatot G ~ M . 4 Very briefly, ,W. Bafwdy. in your evlier t C S h n Y . 9 you used the word 'managerWy." I btliwe. and p l e u ~ wl correct me iff am mng. when you dewbed an arcl where ~1 vau thought fhat the scmration between the RNC and the NPF
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Mr. Buoody. No, we did not.
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Mr. Buoody. I vu no^. in doubt abou~ fhe leraliw.
.W. Buoody.That conversation. much has ken nude of
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Chairmaw Thompson. M ti&. In other arordr, any
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[q m am vying to Gnd a synonym. Wrc operatiorully? Is that (81 right? [si
Ita! sure. Would be the precise wxd. I used the-= rallrcd a 1111 tittlebitabout thecxampleottheproductionofthe [la report.’llur was a myvserial concan. [ i s l ,Mr. Emn. Rtght. I I ~ J ‘Mr. w. It had mal implication for thc way in [ISI which I felt I could carry out my mporuibility in (‘9 ovcrsecbq the production of the report. but it didn’t go to [In the S t t U C N n l quercion-chc boudr w u t u p y l t c 4 r the [le1 functional qucstion.The IwKtronr were different. [I* Mr. Eamn. How about the decision whcrha to release m I?le interim health care report? How would you cucgorizc (211 that?& an operaciolvl ddsioq a l iupcticd dedrion? I ‘m am iust trviru to undcrstmd what you munwhen you usc the pq term.
Mr. Byoody. I suppow if you wanted in uur cue to
.Mr, Won. Onc 0th- lhiru you j u t tati6ed in,
I think it’s the word I used. I u d it
[$I “5WCtUdy . ’ Mr. Baron. Could you elabonte a little bit more? I
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paw 230 111 m response to Chaimnnlkoa~~ron’s question that UI your view, A it waa still kpl hw Ihc National Policy Forum to accept a
[SI Mr.Byoody.lhuircomcr [q .Mr. Buon. Built into that condudon. and again, m comct w ill ammon&ia munrmprion rhu the National [q POW Forum qualilhcd for Ml(cX4) status.
[iq Mr. Buon.And if Uut, in hSturned out not to k
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m matter,& you hm my l d a v h y it took the IRS 4 y a r s to 111 conuder N P F s appliacion for a (cX4) sotus? PI
110) Mr Mldyn.Wellpah.ps we clcl ask that to mother [ iq w i m u that mry know a little ht more about it !*a k t me ask you about the ~CFIIVIUQ that the Chauman [!)I was bcguuung to u k you about wtth mpcct to these forums pi around the counuy Were the forum the only ~CCWIUCS [-si that me NPF was involved UI dwUIg your tenure there’ I [’ai understand you were only there for about a y a r i t ? Mr BumQy.Itw 13montlu (rei They were not the only actmty In adduon. we had
1211 mto a report-wnw urk and a lor Z&opk were fa ~~volved UI that process. that IS. a lot of pm le UI [ai d u o n to NPF sm, volunteer members ofow pohcy
Mr. Baroody. I hm no dca why it took that long
[IW 111 of the poky d c v e l o p ~ t and nporm ~aWrg-well. Pol 111 of the poky dnelopmcnt effort3 u would expect to go
1241 councdr. We also, as we u r l M about a httle bit carher w~th
Pag. m [I] th&hairmyl. published publiutions. Commonxnsc. as I m ~disoncofthem.anduIwiQIwouldkhappyto m share both Common- and the summyy report of NPF [4I entitled Listening co~mcricl aith UK committee. 19 Mr.Madtgan.NPF has k e n dcsmbcdaa a think tank. 14 Is that a lpir description? m &Mr. w . 1 used to say that it was an inaccurate (4 shohonhulq but it mrlcd Y a shoRhand.lhc mason I said A it ansinrcunteis that hink lrnludon’t engage in t q the sori of in(uwe lisknh~# proceu. having y”0DtS $11 m~el@S around the country that NPF did. So. ff it was a 14 think Wit was a think tank with a dillcrene.
Mr. h(lbiyn. Lct w aak you a litrle bit about whetha
iq lookutg. Y the Q U L a sayl, in the second phvc of the tm harings to wious (cX4) groups that were imolvcd in
politid activitica. M iuue dr and nn other kinds of IW ads. Did NPF run any Wi on television advocating r q the election or defat of a particular candidate? zq P ~ J Mr. M a d i 8 a n . h you aware of any occasion when NPF 4 M what we call in thc aoh money area an iuues ad? m %] Mr. M-. Did NPF ever make my politid zq contributions to any campaign. politid p m , or political
[ti aaion commincc? m pj Mr. Mdym. Did NPF ham ita own PAC? PI Mr. BMody. No. sir. (9 Mr.Mad&n.DidNPF CVCI engage as a numbcr of the m (cX4) groups did in vota m@Won efforts? m Mr.By6ody..*. n Mr. Madip.DidNFT ercr cnple as a number of (cX4) 1 ~padydln.ecoul~t-thcmccdrira) Iq Mr.Byo0dy.No.w: 111 Mr. [email protected] NPF cmInvohd,u a numba of 14 these groups rae. in ¶e* up phone tnn*r? I* Mr.By6ody.No,rir. 14 Mr. bUi&n. Did NPF CVCI endorse any particular 19 candidas for public of6cc? I* Mr. w. No, sir. 11) Mr. Madi&an.WeU would it bc hir to ray in summary 19 that Ihc NPF had no mle on bchaU of my candidate for iq election? tq 211 Mr. Madi8an.Thurlc you. Mr. BuooQy. 4 I think we will reserve the l i m . 1 Uunk Senator tq BcMecSJwearerrillonwrime-
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Ill ,Mr. Buoody Ycs. sautor. 14 Senator Glenn. 4 then PI -lc. MI [q bcing queried about a momcnt ago were W e you were there? [q m Senator Glenn.Thrr docs nor cover alta you left (q when we have hadadequate testimonythat showedthercwerca 19 lot of things changed after you left.
141 NPF w e d in my pOlitid xtbit&. We a 8- v) k
Mr. Byoody. No, sir. it did nor.
Mr. Byoody. No. sir. I am nor.
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Mr. B?roody. No. sir, it did not.
Mr. Baroody None that I was aware of. sir.
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Mr. Buoody. Oh, yes.’llut is 211 1 could spak to.
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Mr. Buoody. *NtOr Glen% 1 C U I s p a k to What 1‘1 happened whik I wu there.
ig Mr. &YMay.That is what I w d o i i .
tq poinr. 1q Mr. Buoody.Yes. si t . I? Senator Glenn.SeNtor B c ~ c t t ? 181 Senator Bcnnctt.Thank you. IS] I did not know anylhvlg at 111 about NPF until I got iq into this whole w. 1 COM to it a14 and .&. Bproody. 211 what I am about to say in no way is a reflection on your 4 abilitics or your energy lcvel or your accomplishments. q LI America listeninn and producing the booklet that we have a
You arc obviously very proud of what you did in getturg
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vi lopl Rcpubkan and one who contributes annually to the m Republican surtlining fund is that NPF was one of RYCs
worse idey.This was not a good return on the investment PI b AW. WW hu illustrated, you did not run any [SI &.You did not do any advocacy tor any candidafu.You iq did not do m y pycy.buildinll activity.You did not dcvclop m any V O W LirU.You did not do any w e 1.D.You did not (9 do any geta~t-(he-vote, and pu were a consrant money drain 19 on the RNC. lm't that C o m c t ?
[lq Mr.BMody.Rutiscorrccr (811 saurorBcMTn.Au the mollcy vent from tbc RNC to iia you. not the otha way around. 1s that a mmcf statement? [I* Mr. Buoody.YU. *r.
[I4 drcumr- chrc .ru dacribed -, 111 thc RNC r a l l y 114 .gotwrschcirmoKybrck.'lhcvcrykrcinramrof [in finrncLlconuibupioncoNPFwasUufby ' theloan (iq with W.Y- RNC- -. Is a2Z?sumtrmy ttq of the tinmacial drcumcpnca ? m Mr.BuoodyAyinswtorBavleGLrllofrhir pi] orcurrcd rlca I lchbut Imm what I leuM1.I am not
rn front of mc eirha.So 1 rm not sun2 they got CVQL.
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IC41 knrm Bennc(t. b. whcn WC got to thc IOrn
W WC they 8Of CVClbbU4Csren~Y. Ihc Yuwrr b YCS. Senator BaUKn.Ycr. I do not have mC money in
I how that they at hrr sot nicked for $8oo.OOO Palp 2%
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Senator &nncn. I 6 n d rhir a "rycurioua way to try
. . [la you a n put pur hndoRit -p- any kind d 119 Ldr or dvocrcy. just dram moncy away hum the Republiavl (141 National cOmmicCc* yrd ~ c C Iomrhow it hr bcm dcrcribeD 1151 hm by some of my colkqua as a v a y Ochrioua way to [iq invR f- m e y into the Rcpublicrn N a f i d CommiNc. [In How M you iruen ~ m o n c y rhcn theentity you choox (I* to have do ~ t f o r you endr up c w m g you money that you [iq raise in the traditional fashion? m ,Mr. w. Senator Baulea. I hope pu arenm nil expectifq an UUMT to that from mc b e a u I don't h o w rn &ha.
Senator Benneff.WeU. it is a rhetorical question w] that clearly answers itself. pq 'Ihe depiction of NPF u a conduit tor forcim money
111 into (hc Republican National comminec is dar ly wrw m byed on what M have hard codry.Quite the conpuy.NPF m is a money dnin on RNC.and when the books prrbahncc4 [a) NPF took money away from d e c t i o n s . n k t h a n ~ money
'Mr. BMOdy. Yu. I would put i t if you will indulge m me.this wry. I think h t the idea UUCNPF WLI a money [q laundry ia a fiction. I Senator B~MCK. I think it ia mor^ than a fiction. I
[iq Wnk it is absurd. [I I I Now, if I were sittin# on the RepuMicrn National 1111 Committee when Haley Bybour omc to mc and said M have a 119 m o d obligation to put an additional $1.5 million into NPF. [la) I would k tanptcd to vote as that cornmince voted, to uble psi Mey's propod. Isn't that what happmcd? [iq Mr. Buoody.WeU. again. this happened sir. aftu I l m kR. I ~ I Senator Bcnnett.Ycs,aU right, Iiq ,Mr. Byoody. So I can't speak to it from my own m personal Lnowlcdy. nil pz~ up the pmious witneu' testimony with yours. but that i s [a how I get a clar picture of wtut happened. pa] @SI idea that vou hd and .Mr. Subour hd. and the goal vu to
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VI create some k@ of a ~rrr+.roou atmosphere that would bc rn bcncGcial to Republicans. Is that cormt? w .Mr. Bafoody. Well, and to dnw from that atmosphere. 141 if YOU will. real idey about what M d e d ideas that m ~ ~ r c r l p o l i c y g u i d y l c e . Iq Senator BcnneK.And it was assumed that it would be m ~Uldciently ucitin# to people wt~o were supportive of thou lq iderr that it could mix all iu own moncy! 19 Mr. Buoody. I w u l d say in the &ygoin& that was
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:tal it would k repaid? '4 Mr. Buooby.YCS. sir. '19 SchZtor BCnncu.And then it Nmed out not to work 19 thatway? t 1 Mr. Buoody.mt is conm. in .ham Bcnne~.So NPF went out to uy to nire 99 enou@ money to keep iuCKdluat and vu umccessful? Zol Mr.Buoody.Yer.*r. 211 Senator Benncn.lhcn they ynneed for a loan m guvyltce that allow& them to makc the RNC men up to that 9 point, but they - unable to mix enough money to pay off 241 the loan guanntcc.You have no personal knowledge of thal. zq but that U your understanding?
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W kMtof %NleK.hnd YOU f O u O W d (hir thing. I rhinls n perhaps moIc camfuuy chm annybodyek.so 1 will accept HI that undaspndi ry . FI We&(hcChairmm is not hac. I suppose I am the [q Chairman now. In a wdd of blind am. the onetycd man b m *. I Senam G k He hu Luumed the Chair? Okay, that M i s h . iol Senator BauuCCI~comccheSenambbmOhiotuck 1'1 yulamuldbc happy tocedc to his uniority. 1'4 I have nothin# htha to d4sCnrtorClcnn. 1.- I iq say,did not comc to this whole apaicncc with any rul 141 undnrundin(l of NPE and I think I have it now. NPF was 19 not o m ofthe RNCs bena idlu.andit ended up Corling a 14 potful of money. It ended up costing than a u e a ~ ~ ~ d o t ~ s 111 Mount Orgrid It cnded u p a u w all *in6 ol iq uphiations about foreign money that redly had nothins 19 ~~atoQ~ththeRNC,andi td idno lproduceas ing lr m ad. a single phone clu. and a gu~ut-che-vou activity t i l It did not product any kind of return on that investment. 4 If that is an example of the any rn arc g o 4 toget foreign B money into the Republicrn piry. Ule Republican pury w qualiks u rhe guy that could not shoot s-t because iq mere ye IOU dotha ways one could find to approach
ill rhir. n Senator Glmn.1 will reserve the balance ofthe cimc g for thir *dc until the Chairman comc~ back and yield to you PI arhatcva you may wish. ra Senator C h . presiding.) Thank you. rn Did you hare any more qUCStiON you wuL(cd to ask? m Senator Lcrin.Arc we going to try to pick up (11 tomonow? M Senator GIm.We thought we would probably try and io pick up in the morning. if we can. We ye Uying to conmt 111 the Chairman now to see if it is okay to start in the !a morning at 9 1 5 or 9%. which would Iet us get a link 131 'dl 14 Mr. broody. I will makc myself amiable. Senator. tq Senator G k n n . 7 b t is 6ne.Thank you. in We wdl fmd out just as hst as we possibly can. I 181 have no more questions. and I do not believe counsel has iol more uestions. g fi l Senator Glcnn.'Ihcr+ M some 0th- wmbcrs who wanted m to ask rome questions. and I think J M could makc tunc to ?a start a little early in the morning, that would take care of
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m ChairmThompson. [hiding.] How uc we d o i i ? 19 knator CleM.AU right.we were 9 finished, and I 14 think Bob,ir finished over hac.
Mr. Buoody. I understand it. Senator.
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1101 1111 ~eyouarereoulI justMdC~pOintthat i f th iswae !in a money.lrundetin(l opmrion for the purpose dg- 1131 funny-foreign money 01 funny money of any kind into the iw Rcpubkan National Comminn. it was a callosal hilure 1 9 5 1 bccaurc all of the money went the other any'lhe money tunc iiq from the Republican National colnminec to NPF in return for [in which the National cornminee did not receive a sin#le &,a [ml single phone call. a s\nde phone bank a sin& [io! endorsement. It received n o m but debt$. and when the w loan g u ~ t e e made the RNC even, if we u ~ m c there was no WI more money dnin after Uut-and I do not Wnk that is a m fair usumpoon-they at lrut 1-1 an additional 5800,OOO rm on the xtUemcnt.
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111 get smarter people at the Republican National Committce. w ChairrmnThompson. I clkc is we have additional m questions dthis witness? PI Senator GLaul.Thac may be a few rdditiolul 151 questions. ya. and I think - 0th- members wanted to u k I acoupkdquest im. Uwe could start in the mming? m ChairaunnMmpson. U we start in the mom and 1 everybodv COmcI backof COUne, I pIcdict we would be 14 M - a d a y with uir wimcsa yrin. obviously. ifotha (14 members want quesriona. we will have to accommodate them.
[in going to try to end with this witness tonight. Mr. Chairman. 1i4 Ch*rmYIThompson.'lhatiscer(rinlyokaywith me. 1141 Senator Lcvin. Lct me add my rhyllrc for your coming iiq foranrd and providing us with testimony, Mr. Baroody. i s 1 it? Mr. Bubour. I think using wordr. which were over prudcn0 Itel judgments, not over matters of law. 11s Mr. Buoody.Ycr. rzq Senator Levin.And if yw have answered what I am PI) goin# to ask you, then forgive M because I have not been m here for the last few minutcs, but in your mcmonndum letter mi and your wmonndum of resignation. you nude the following WI statement which I happen to a g m with. and rhb is in the PSI middle ofpage 2 of that mtmo.
111 "1 had undustood,' you ui4 'at rhe outset that this R) would k an orpnization &patate from the RNC.Though both ni would k chaired by pu they would opmr dircinctly. I 14) had this understanding not only because you and the others la told me so, but k a u r the dcliknre &cision had been [q ma& to orgmk the NPF under stction Ml(cX4) of the 81 FedcrrlTax code. 'd the n a t Line is the one I want to 111 focus on. 'That movision rcauircs scpante owntion.'
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paos 244 [I] d i t 258, ll you have if there. it is a mmo to you m and to Haley Bubour and to Ken W from Scott Reed on June m 2,1993. and the subrct is NPF action. It has a number of rrj different item listed. One has survey research muling. [q Number faro hu fundmising. Number three is develop policy [q councils. Number four is appoint board of m directorstexuutive commiItee. Five is prepare documents [q for Chicago RNC meeting. ~4 Unda the title of hdnising them. one of the i tem IO! listed unda hdia is i i is r o w . Now. this wmo. I I t i believe. came to you shortly aRcr you had taken o v a at 14 NPF. Is that c o d 131 Mr. Saufor Glenn, it is dated June 2nd. It I41 was well WOIe I did. 151 lq Mz Banwciy.Ycs, in k ~ t o r Clcnn.AU right. Did you ever have occasion tal to discuss this mcmo.ordid you become hrmliy with it iq aftcryouawinandlookoM? zq Mr. Byoody. I have r d I y the vaguest recdlection of 211 this memo. I was engaged in the employment I currently had. al almost l i W y up to the day, July 1% that I sated at 231 W E zq cq get it, but I do not r e d l engaging in any serious
111 conversations about it. [21 Senator Gler~n.ruI rtghz 6ne.lBi8 wu not bmught 01 to your anartion by- staff member alter you got there [a] and said chir was going to be something we are looking in10 (61 or was bmught to your awntion aa somethinll you should m spcciticaUVnotto? m Mr. Bymdy. No. that is not my recollection at all.
Scnrtor Glaul. Okay. You bcumc hmiliu. though. rn lam on with the ellom. and your objection to those iq florts, as you saw than, was one of your nnin reyoru for 111 re*gnind;istharcomct? 121 Mr. buody SOWOr Glenn, the efforts I have iq charactenzed, they d y were occzsional conversations. I 141 bcclme atbare, ti?% in chc comasation I have a b u t iq described prior to my arrival at NPF with Haley Barbour. iq My mcmo in its own mm~.Scnator, up hut somclimc ~n after the first of the year, someliw Ihu the volunteer '11 fuuncc chair- amc on board in that r a w i f y urd I found 'aj that he also agreed with M about foreign money being g inappropriate, I said, to the best of my knoanedge. the !I] issuedied. a It was aconcnn that I had, but given that at the time DI I wrote my resignation mcmo. I thought it was a dead issue. !4l I would not YV that it was a mior revon for my dep~ture.
Senator Glenn. Wore you came in?
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1'1 out of your dcpOsltiOn, I Mu put read thu Into the m record h a c and ask lor pur concurrence that Uus is s U w accurate On ppe 28. line 9. the quesuon was, mid you [ai have any ducussions about msmg money from foreign [q conlrhtors or formgn sources'' rm h a w : W e had as I rmll. one conversatlon on that
14 Mr. Byoody.'ya. sir. [q 'Correct.' 1'01 Senator Lcvin.Would you a g m that this lrind of I f I) vpantion is required by Lw?lbt is not soowthing whch
ri3t question, a separation requirement that you referred to IS a 1141 requirement of hw.Would you agrce with that? 1'51 .Mr. Byoody.Ycs. Scnator.7har is what I wote.and It61 I did distinguish earlier. and I believe you were not here,
thrngs like the structure. whm it m clearly scpuatc, !I&] and other. what I called managerill concerns. where the lw blurring of linw occurred, but I do agree with your m characterization of my meeting. IZ I I Senator Lcvin.l?unk you.Again. Uunk you for comurg [m forward. [a Anaww: "It MI raised by Mr, Barbour." [ai l?unk you, Mr. Chairm. !ni Qwstim "Did you agree with the fact that foreign I Z ~ I ChairmulThornpson. Senator Glenn? L251 ScnatOI GlcM. Mr. Chairman. ius1 bricflv. 1251 "I did."
!poi ' 1 1 1 1 conversation?. [la -No: 1131 When did that occur?' [tri 'It occurrcdon the calendar. I don't remember [!SI precisely. but it occurred prior to my arrival at the &WE :pi My guess is it would have been late May or w l y June.'
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