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April 19, 2017

MR. JOHN GREENEWALD JR.

FOIPA Request No.: 1362021-001 Subject: COOPER, MILTON WILLIAM

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contacte an J.nterv1.ewed furnished the following information after being advised of the :tdentity of the interviewing Agent:

I I advised that he is a short--wave radio enthusiast. He tis tens. to a variety of talk shows on a frequent basis. I I has had occasion to listen to some 11 left 'llingu .· militia type programs in the recent past and he believes th;.1t these programs involve individuals who are indirectly tiedto TIMOTHt J. MCVEIGH.

I I has heard programs . of WILLI.Al'1 COOPSR who is a self proclaimed ant.i-qo,.rernment mi.l .i.t.ia member £~~om Cholo, Arizona, haying ~i~s _to I . .. . . I and poss~b~e MCVEIGH.

I I o~enly c.r~t:J.c1.zes the government for the hnnal~ng of the Waco .lnc~dent and blames the F'ede.r<.'ll government for the Oklahoma City bombing stating that the govex:nment blew· up the Federc1l building,

.__ __ ""'~"'""l a1so has heard LINDA THOi'-1FS()N; 1~800 ~749-9939 on a short~wave and she is nof the same molding'' that COOPER is. THOMPSON went to. Waco, 'I'exas, and chastised gove.rnrnent officials over the handling of the matter, ·

I I st~ttt:~d that JACK MOHR ctnd TOM NOHR also broadcast"""· -=a=--:p:::"_ o:::r:-::o~g::-:!ram on short--wave and he believes that they are individuals who associate With MCVEIGH ,

L---::-~___.1 said that WILLIAM COOPER supposedly has .operatives all over the United States whq collect iritel1igence on the Feder:al goverl)ment and furnish suc.h information to hirtr. For instance, COOPERis operatives are instructed to take photographs of various government . and military installations and provide them

lnyestigat.iou on _.......::4'""/-'2=--"7-'-/--=9:...;5::..·----~t Oklahoma City, Okliihoma:ne.f

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to hint. His opera.tives are known to take pictures of: Fcderr-a;..;.·.;;..l __ -. buildings all across thenat;.;Lon, including Oklahoma City. I said that although COOPER has never b{~en to Oklahoma City, L.ll"""1_e __ ..,~ s~ems to be unusually knowledgeabl.e about the local streets and building structures.

I has heard threats made c\gainst forrner sen.ato1.• DAVID BORE~.t\~J-o~n-· ~t~·he short-wave in 1t~hich COOPER is affiliated with,

I I provided two tape cassettes of short -t<~ave radio proadcasts in which COOPER and 'I'I{OMPSON speak out against the tJ.S . Government. These tapes have been entered into evidenGe by the interviewing Agent,

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1\ftex: advisinq Cooper of the purpos.e of: the call, which was to elicit information on a possible association with the bt:..1mbin9 suspect Timothy !>'1cVei gh, Cooper provid.Hd thE~ followi.nq :information:

Cooper advised Lhat. he l;,roadcauts a radio peoqrarn oriented t:o t.he Amer5.c:an Militia Movemr:'<nt. He a1so cqn.f:Lrmed that previously he h;.:~.d made tH::e of <'l busin!O:f:;s c<.:1lled "American Voice RE:trieval {AVR) u which a llowto:d him to recc-J:rT1 ,':mc1 leave messages on cutT<?.nt event.s that could he ctcc•::ssed by telep·hone by his listeners. Typica1l y, these me.ssages were one to two minutes in length.

Coope.r was asked <.:1bout atly a~-;;soc:t.::?.tic·n he h;;.~d 1tJiti1 Timothy McVeigh. CoopEn' responded that he has never met t•lcVe.i.qh, and he is not awa:te of ever: h<'rving sp()ken to him. Cooper explained tht<t: if McVeiqh caLled his i\VR nnmber 1n 1993; \t: 1.'/i'JS

only to. listen to reccn:·ded messaSJeS, because the i\VR system did not allow for the taking of purchase ordcn:·s or l.e,Jv:i.ng J:tstener messages.

received from two John Doe

Cooper did ,.:.nq:;htin, hoNeVE.~t·, tht\L in November, 1994, a visit at his research center in St . .Johns, Arizona males, one of whom resembled tht'~ com )osit.e sketch of

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Investigation {FBI) aft.e.r the bom1:>in·g in Oklahorna Cit)-'. Cooper then remarked that the FBI later changed the composite sketc•h to fit a photograph t.hi3t had been taken.

r------..., While visJ ti ng with Coope::r ,I I told cooper to "1dt:U::.ch Oklahorn"' ... a-.-:,':"", --:A:-f.,..·':""t-E.:--,l'-.. --:-t-.:l-1•-.'.!--:-L-.,--.,-o--,-n-e __ r ..... l L-:-t-.-h_e_• -:r--e-_-s .... earch center, l.hey headed north on H'i-1Y 666 toward 1>40. Cooper said the men VH':t·e under surv,~illance, ~md he int:imat.ed that the interviewinq Agent: was avmre of this su l'Vf?illatlce.

Cooper statr:'rl that it is pc::.>sibl.t:· Lhal. he had a phone conversation wit:h TinH>thy NcVeigh t-'lithout bcd.nq <;t'v·m:ro of it., because Cooper receives thousands of Iet.ters ;s1nd telephone calls, Cooper insist.ed that the man thnt vir::.itf•,J hLrn in November, 1994 and said 11 watch Old.ahcmla" J.s not Ti.mothy HC\lf~i9h, tht~ man who is p·resently a\¥aiti.ng trial concerning the bn1nbi.n9 of the Ok.Jaholna City federal building.

Cooper said that thEn:€.:; are many m:isp€.~rcc::ptions and li6'lS about him and his wor1::... Cooper stated that the news media is a "pack of J.i.''lrs. 11 For example, Coqper saLJ he has often been

d~~~=~db~~hb~~nfh:s~:h~,f~:r:~~::e::~;t~~~an:i an aql· i-(~rmit·e ~;~d that he possesses some Native Americ;;m n.Lood.

CoopeY H1;~o dE•nh:d advnc<'<t.ing the v 1olent. overt.hTow of the tJ. S. gc)vermn€.:::nt He said he~ sexved in Lh,.o: Armed Forces (Navy and Air Force) during the Vietnam i•Jar, and. Cooper said he lov(~d his count:ry, He also claimed not. to have any host.i:L.rt.y or animosity to federal officers unless they are 21ctivel·y working to undermine the con<~t:.i.tut.ional p.rinc:i.p} E'.!S upon which our countt~y was found1~d, Cooper denied beinra a ha.te.-mongo:.~c.

In exp1aJn.Lnq his opposition t::; v ioJ ence e1~1ainst the government, Cooper cL"S..ttned. that: he t.r.i.ed to talk U1t'c~ dght. ""Jng activist Linda ThompscH1 cut cf ma:r-chin9 on ~·}ashinqtnn.

At :tf1f: r:O!JC:l.u~~ir;rt ~)f t::l1E: .i.T1t.81~Vif._::·q}/ sr:·et~i.;.l1 l\~JE.~i'l't I expressed~' des:i.re t:o mE~t::L with C:C)oper peniona11y, L....,.(.,..jc"")o""'.""'p,...e"" . .,.,r---E',.,..ncouraged htm t.o do so in th.e ne<tr fut1.HT~.

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William Cooper, who goes by the n:.ickname ''Hill Cooper", was interviewed at a . rest stop area just off Highway 60 within the city limits of the town of Springerville, Arizona. Coc)per said he was horn on May 6, 1943. ·. Aft.ex- being advised of the identity of the inter.'vieHing Agtant q.nd the purpose of t .he inte.rvie~.,r, Cooper prov .Lded the following information ~

Cooper advised that around November of 1994, he received an unannounced visit by two yotmg men (white males) at his uresearch center" in st. Johns i Arizona, Coopet described

·· these two. young m~n as beingJ composite sketches rele.as.ed bL..,y-. -t-:-. -:-h-e~f:::-:, B:::-I'='""""_s_o_o_n_• -<-a-::f"":"t~e-.r~: -t':""'";'"'h_e_· "'l'l:-x~)m~b .... i_n_g~·. -o-. ~f----~ the federal building in Oklahoma City in April, 1995 ,. Cooper di.d not recall the name!;i .of the two v:isit.ingmen. (For the sake of cla:r.i..fication they Hill be referred to as John Doe One and John ~>oe ~ 'r~10 in view or the fact that I . . . I the two U1d~Vl.dUals named as such on the FBl CQtllposJ{e sketche::r.

According to cooper, John Doe Tw.o d:i.d virtually .all of· the talking, while his partner, John Doe, one, was silent~ ,Tohn Doe Tvlo told Cooper that they were interested in his philosophical and political messages, but they disagreed w'ith him pn his methods. Cooper elaborated, explaininsr that he advocates fighting the unconstitutional policies and practices o~ the government by.any legal, non-violent means .. John Doe 'l'wo suggested that more action was needed, and he asked Cooper if he would join them in their cause, altho\lgh they did not articulate spec.ifically what their cause or mission entailed. Cooper declined, and the men left soon thereaftel~, ending a visit of perhaps tietl minutes -that day.

\vhile they \valked ollt to t heir car, which Cooper could only describe as being ye11oi1 in co.lor, John Doe Two opened t:hE> trunk. and said .· that )1e tv(lnted . to give .. cooper something. He proc~aeded to remove from the trunk a copy of the book, ''1'he Tu:rner Diaries" anct handed it to Cooper. Cooper ren\arked that he already had a copy o .f "that racist. booJ..;-Y, but the b;o men left the: book with him anyvmy.

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At this point in the interview, cooper wa~ eisked if: he had retained their copy of ''The Tt.n:ner Diaries". cooper responded that he already had a copy of that book, a:nd he wasn't sure if he retained the copy left with him by the t\'/O men. Cooper further explained that \.Jhert he moved his research center .. from St. ,Johns, he packed volumes. and volumes of •4ritten wox·k and book:s .in a larger number of boxes, most of which a.re now stacked up. cooper said that if he looked for the copy of the booK, i.t might take him months to find it. '

After giving Cooper 111'he. 'l'urner Diaries", the t\vo men got in their car and headed north. on the highway tm~;ard T..-.40. As they \vere leaving, Cooper1 Hho had been inside i-:.ith the tvto men du:ring the visit, · noted that: there were tvJo vehicles dovm the road~ Cooper was convinced that the bvo vehicles were conducting a surveillance of the 111en. one of the vehicles was described tts ;:l. generic-looking . whib? government motorpool vehicle . .. ThE! drive.r was taking photographs of the men with Cooper. On the oth€!17 side of the road was a .brown pickup truck \vJth a camper shell. A man, presumably the driver, was taking snapshots as if he vtere a tqurist, but he periodic:ally t.u:r:ned in the direction of cooper 1 s place to snap photographs of that area.

Cooper recalled that during the brief conversation with the tHo men. that they cautioned hiw t .o 11 \·:a·tch Oklahoma Cityu just before they left. Furthermore, John Doe 'l'Wo asked Cooper if he knew where they could sell valuablt~ historical documents. The man explained that he was talking about documents that might bear the signature of an i1Uporta.nt person like George Washington. · · Cooper responded that he had no idea where such. doci.unents coUld be sold.

Coop.· er pro. vided a p ... h.,ysical description ·. of the. hm m,.n. J .oh.n Doe Two w·a·s · .. th····e I I. of t .hg two. He v:as pe. xh··.··a·p······.s ~~---'-taU to I I in heir:t, ;vth a I - lbu.ild' B.e was

I · ... · . I an.cl had 1air . . During the cm1rse of their visit, Cooper had noted tha · ~rom Doe 'l'\oJO hacll I and Cooper . bel.ieves that: it was a 1 . .. · . . I Cooper said that duri ng the conversatJ.on he even menfl.ow;.!d to Jc;>hn Doe 'l'wo that be had al I .and the rnat'l: did not. dJ.:sagree.

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Aft-er tb.e ti-Jo TnEm 1eft 1 cooper said t.hat hE! clicl not a second tbouqht. Hotvever, about. two weeks 1 <.lt.: er,

broadcasting on his short wave re"ldio proqr.·a1-n, Coorwe a call from ,:-~n inclividual who asked him •;..'hilt \oJ<'tS qoiHg

on in Oklahoma. At first., coop~r responded ·that he had no idea, but then he recalled the visit of the tw<) .men around No·,;omber of 1994, and he briefl 'l r-ecounted ;.;;hat had transpired.

At this point .Ln the inte:.ndew, Coop-er was asked if he recorded his radio broadcas'ts. He responded that he did, a11d he

asked if he vJOtdd mab? the tapE~ concerning that avail~tble for rev.ie\v by the .FBI. Coopex agreed he said that it •.vould take some time to locate

t .ape s.i.nc:n he was unsure .of the p;.uwt datn or e·ven month when \:he visJ.t from th~~~ two men had taJ:en place.

Cooper \vas then told that if finding that tape or a copy of the book "The Turner Diar1E.~S' 1 ~;as sin1ply a matter of making the time to do it , he. \·laS asked if he <o'ould permi ·t . t.he FBJ to .search for these iteins on his behalf." Codpe>r responded thnt he absolutely would not pei:-m:Lt the FBI t o 90 through ll is reco:n.k; or property. He further explained thqt he did not: trust the FBI with hiS property <Stnd said that the• fede.ral qOVE,"l:'n111E!J1t . and. • its

were too lackin9 in credibility to pE~rmit. hJm. to al10\4 a search. He agx:e.ed , however 1 that he 1-:ould try and locate.

tape and when found, \muld nmke t:he t:ape ~'lvailable to tile :FBI. He also indi<;::ated t.hat: he would try .'.mel find t:hf~ book ;'The 'J:lurner Diaries".

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cooper ment:J one a tha:t his grqup, which he ·call eel Intelligence Service, has dor1e an extensive im .. est:igation, t .ranspired in Oklahoma city and the government 1 s actions t o investigate after the bombing. Cooper stated that around October 1, . 1996, he will be publishing ·. a three -volume r e por·t on t .hese very issues. . .. In . summarizing . the . resu1 ts o.:f his rf,!port 1 .. Cooper stated that in his opinion the federal building in Oklahoma city blew up because it was a qovernment 11 s t.ing 11 that went a'>vry or that it was an intentional explosi on to ensure that the anti­terrorism bill would be passed by Congres.s a nd that the federal government would be given additimvll law enforcement powers in orcter to form a pol :i.ce sta·te.

Cooper said that he moveclhis research center and intelligence service o1.1t of st. J"ohns about six 1110n:ths ago .. He ~~ld the move was preqjpitated by a conflict that. he .had. with one

Cooper stated that he conducte d a d eta i.led and tho r oug.l:.t background check on at1yone <tiho "\1orked f or his intelligence service. He also req1l .ired th<~t his intelli.gence service assoc:lates take an . oath to . !:;t.tpport and dE~ fend the constitution ()f

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Coope~ said !hat . tl·1.US f <..'l.r. I;.e h. a. s .l.la··· d good :res~1· 1· l· ts .· w. it···. h .· hJ.;· · ·~·····.·. . .. . ··· assoc 1 a·~es w 1 fh the except 1on .o·.· f ·.b·ro. : 1.. . ·. - . ·. . . I ( phonetJ..c)· .. · a. n.d _ _ According to Cooper, I . Has an I I

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Cooper began his f i rst radio brorJdcast in Hay, 1992. At fi.rst 1 he broadcast through Radio S tat:.io11 lvWCR in Nashville, Tennessee. He performed broacicasts five nights a week. Since then, Cooper has ternd.nated his associa.t.ion wi. t:h WWC.R.

Presently, Coop€~r .sends out his radio broadcasts by satel lite V.'h.ich are then picke d up by over 6 00 FH stations arou1.1d the country. Cooper also pub l ishes a political newspaper cal l ed "The Cadgy News" (phonetic ). Cooper s t :a ted ±:hat he has published a book entitled, "Behold <1 Pa l e Horse 11 , whi.ch h <.'ls sold well among militia members and peoplE~ of like minds. Cooper said he still

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Cooper advisc:•d that wh(m he vwro> a young man he served in the Navy, put left dis.illu::;ioned with the policy decisions of' the Senior Admiral for who1n he• worked . . .. He gave as an E~xample the fact that he IFtndled communic<lt'Lons c0nC("! J:ninq se.ns.itive matters such as the bombinq of Laos, cambodia, and North V1etnt=H1\ at a time when the presiclmit of the United States '-''as d isa'vei\.:inq any such actions. · After leavihg the Navy, cooper stat.ed th;:\t he also served in the ldr Force. ·

At the conc1usior1 of the intenriew, Cooper, without p·rompting, sait.:'l that he believed that he was the subject oJ' Federal Grand )ury del i.be.rations in Phoen.Lx. . Nhen asked about the nature of -t:ht~ d$ l:i.herations, Cooper r.Qspondr::.c:l that h e bas nc1t: paid h.Ls taxes nor LUed incom.e tax rE~tut· n.s. Coope.r expJ:ni ned

the .income t.ax wa s an 1Jnc ons t ihlt .i.ona l. ~md il1eqa1 · revenu(~, that the income ta}: arnetu:lHi~nt t:o UtE; C()nst i tutloi~ l·.ras rieve.r

ratified.. Cooper i;;aid that as a. younq man he was to fight and die for lris country t?ven t lv:mgh he lat~~r that the war in Vietnam ha.d nothfng to do with

1 interests of the UtHted States. Cooper stated point in his J.U'e he is more than \vi..llir\g to fight, a

necessary; die for matters t:hat. really count in his country.

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Arizo!1a , 85901. It ·:::ar1 be ohti1ir:ed fl~om ':HJ,LT!\M CCK.>PEFi., sc:nnn address as CAJT, fer t. wenty-f i. ve do11au.>. Th:is pr-c:;c.h.lcticn i~> intended to sympath iz~'~ w.LLh the Branch 0-l.v{dians. It ']i•res a one .. sided histoJ;"y of the events leadinq up t(:) Lb'c~ confront::at:,ion at h'ACO. The prodtwt . .ion conta .LnG tri a 1 fo()\>H.JE~, bqme v ick~o cLLf!S, purported intm:vi•':';Wt; -_,,:_LLh Hi\TF (l3ure <:1\J oC T\l c} Ollr.>l 1 TOlJa<.:'Co <Jnd

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